User talk:Ihcoyc/archive3

This is the third archive of User talk:Ihcoyc

St Sebastian as a Gay Icon

Ihcoyc, you created the St Sebastian node. Most recently it's been put forth by CheeseDreams in Talk:Christian_art that the St.Sebastian icon has always been a gay icon. Similarly in the St.Sebastian node, 156.34.71.245 added that throughout history St. Sebastian has been a gay Icon. I encourage you to look at the St Sebastian node, as I am not aware of its use in homoerotic art. Feel free to untangle and fix the Christian art page as it has a disputed section containing St Sebastian's painting. Sp00n17 02:00, 20 Dec 2004 (UTC)

The St.Sebastian discussion and node has been moved to Sexuality and Christian Art. I encourage you to upgrade the description of how the St.Sebastian image can be seen as sexual to a decription on the main page. Sp00n17 08:59, 23 Dec 2004 (UTC)

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Looking for your opinion

Having seen History of Bible translation, I am reaching the opinion that it may be better to start over entirely than to salvage much of McAfee. You have any thoughts on this? I trust your instincts and your knowledge of the subject area. I don't want to propose scrapping the article and starting over lightly, so I thought I'd bounce it off of you. Thanks. Jwrosenzweig 20:09, 23 Dec 2003 (UTC)

The McAfee text needs major reworking and NPOV edits, but is perhaps serviceable if only as a guide to names and events. The King James Version of the Bible article has also has had a lot of panegyric added to it, that reads like it is from the same or a similar source. Most of the information in the McAfee text is also available in somewhat more digestible forms in the various articles on individual Bible versions; there are separate articles on Great Bible - Geneva Bible - Bishops' Bible and so forth.

I had the idea of putting together a Timeline of English Bible translations or something similar, and treating at least the main sequence of published English Reformation era Bibles as a sequence similar to the ones that exist for kings and emperors, and with a table directing readers to others. I fear, though, that it may break down in the nineteenth and twentieth centuries. It may be desirable to distinguish projects like the RSV and NKJV that have in some sense been "forked" from the KJV tradition, with new versions like the NIV, the Living Bible lineage, and so forth. With this in place, what's worth saving of the McAfee text could be moved to pages on the individual versions it relates to, where it could be worked on more handily.

I may have time after this week is over to start something like that. -- Smerdis of Tlön 20:35, 23 Dec 2003 (UTC)

I just feel that the article is going to be too large. It suggests a history of all translative efforts....and the Bible is in something over 300 languages, isn't it? Probably many more. I suppose if we move it to History of Bible translations in English or something like it, it would be serviceable. It still daunts me. :) I love the timeline idea, though, and will help if I can. Have a blessed Advent and a merry Christmas. Jwrosenzweig 20:53, 23 Dec 2003 (UTC)

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Merry Christmas!

Merry christmas and best wishes for Peace Profound! Optim 06:47, 25 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Maciste

Hi. I added a question at Talk:Maciste. RickK 00:14, 19 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Ogee

Am I right about 'ogee clock'? Edit it out if I'm misinformed. Wetman 12:37, 27 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Not sure whether I'd say that ogee clocks are in a "Gothic taste," although they were big during the Victorian Gothic revival. But the form is largely determined by the function; in a typical weight driven ogee clock, the weights descend in the sides on either side of the clock mechanism itself. There is also a frequently encountered type of antique clock that is more Gothic in inspiration, sometimes called a cathedral clock, which has a pointed or arched body usually framed by two turnings that end in pointed finials. These clocks are usually spring driven, mostly because it's harder to make enough room for the weights in one. -- Smerdis of Tlön 14:33, 27 Jan 2004 (UTC)

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Hi Ihcoyc, question for you at Image_talk:Matahari.jpg. Jay 08:21, 14 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Zero-byte image

I deleted two old images you uploaded back in March and July 2003, because they were zero bytes. They were:

• Image:Ograve-toorop.jpg, with the caption "O Grave, Where Is Thy Victory" by Jan Toorop (1892).
• Image:Villainc.png, with the caption The villain by User:J.J., converted to PNG to be smaller and faster

It's quite possible you already re-uploaded them or knew about the upload error, but I thought I'd let you know just in case. --Delirium 09:27, Feb 17, 2004 (UTC)

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Smerdis/Ihcoyc (which handle do you prefer?), I'm leaving for the day, but I've left Stanley Kunitz in remarkably slim condition. I don't know if your interests in poetry extend to Kunitz, but as you're a fellow WikiProject:Poetry member, I thought I'd invite you to flesh it out a bit and put it into shape if you feel so inclined. :) And of course, if not, I'll go back to it tomorrow. Best of wishes and a pleasant afternoon/evening to you (if afternoon/evening it is, in your time zone), Jwrosenzweig 22:33, 23 Feb 2004 (UTC)

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KJV Copyright

I've just come across the article about the KJV Bible and seen the claim about its copyright status. It was originally inserted by an anonymous user, but you updated the article's copyright section to its current form. From my knowledge of intellectual property law in the UK, albeit from the perspective of a non-lawyer, claiming the KGV Bible is in copyright is completely ridiculous.

Crown copyright lasts 50 years from date of publication for one. Ordinary copyright lasts life of the author plus 70 years. Finally, the KJV Bible was published 100 years before the first copyright law was ever written! So, I would like to ask you what the basis of that copyright claim is? Please quote the relevant statute law or from an authoritative law text (with a reference so I can check) about the copyright status. Otherwise, I will be forced to conclude that the claim is simply FUD by those who are ignorant of the law. David Newton 17:59, 1 Mar 2004 (UTC)

As an American, I don't have easy access to resources for researching UK law. However, the claim about the perpetual crown copyright status of the KJV is mentioned in the Oxford Companion to the Bible (ISBN 0195046455) and I assumed that they know better than I. This FAQ from a UK library also repeats the claim that the KJV is perpetual crown copyright in the UK. Smerdis of Tlön 20:12, 1 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Wikipedia Meet Up

I invite anybody who likes to come to Shag's Tavern (937) 258-8353 1926 S Smithville Rd Dayton, OH at midnight on Sunday the 21st/Monday the 22nd of March. Meet in the rear, near to the jukebox. Feel free to contact me in regards to specifics. Cheers, User:Sam Spade / Jack

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup#USA_meet_up

Sam Spade 09:29, 8 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Are you interested?

Don't know if you're interested, but history of literature has been left a long time in what I have to say was a promising shambles. I have tried to restructure and write it, but this is a massive subject and too big for my brain or literary experience. I know you take an interest in these things, and thought you might want to give it a look -- there are huge sections left completely unwritten, and those sections that are written probably need expansion. If you don't care, don't think twice, but I tried to think of who I thought would have the knowledge and interest to help out, and your name popped up. Hope you're having a good week, Jwrosenzweig 00:09, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Tlön

Given that you sign as "Smerdis of Tlön", I wondered if you've had a look at Tlön, Uqbar, Orbis Tertius. I've worked very hard on this one: I think that, among other things, it is now the single best English-language reference to the people he alludes to in the story (including your namesake). I'm also unabashedly seeking a few more endorsments for it at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates. -- Jmabel 07:40, 14 Mar 2004 (UTC)

The Last Judgment

Hi, is the image on End times your own photograph? The image page should mention the source, so copyright is clear. Tualha 20:15, 17 Mar 2004 (UTC)

It was a picture an aunt of mine took. It wasn't very good in the large size, but shrunk and cropped you can't tell that. If anyone has a better, I'd appreciate it about as much as anyone else. The flash artifacts are still fairly obvious in the corners. Smerdis of Tlön

AAR

This is a new acronym to me, it's not in List of acronyms and initialisms nor in TLAs from AAA to DZZ. You used it in Template:VfD-BCKWSystem, could you explain? Andrewa 01:32, 27 Mar 2004 (UTC)

AAR = "at any rate;" I expanded it on that page. Smerdis of Tlön 01:37, 27 Mar 2004 (UTC)

And now there is a disambiguation page at AAR. Smerdis of Tlön 01:42, 27 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Latin

Please see my question/request to you at Talk:Irregular_verb. -- Jmabel 17:24, 6 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Help on Republic

If you are a classicist can you check out Talk:Republic start in the archived section and check out Greek Philosophies on Republic and its talk page and need help at the Wikipedia:Policy thinktank at Wikipedia:Revisionism. I need support and extra help in the definition of a republic. Thanks.WHEELER 17:37, 7 Apr 2004 (UTC)

msg:fac

Please add to the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates#Notices if you want. Dori | Talk 14:10, Apr 13, 2004 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thanks for your support and kind words, Ihcoyc. I'm glad someone reads the esoterica I write on. I hate for someone to go to an encyclopedia and not find the subject they'er looking for! Cecropia 04:01, 14 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Welteislehre

While you were re-writing the Welteislehre a little, I was working on a longer article. I only saw a few minor difference and for simplicity I replaced it for now (it is 2 hours past my bed time;)). Hope that's ok. Pleas edit it as you see fit. Yardcock 06:24, 14 Apr 2004 (UTC)

No problem, all part of the game. I just noticed that the article was on Cleanup, so I took that as an invite to add to it. Smerdis of Tlön 11:37, 14 Apr 2004 (UTC)

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Great userpage.. - Sigg3.net 16:18, 15 Apr 2004 (UTC)

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Hi, I'm the person who originally revamped and expanded the article on [[kitsch]. I see you put in an image of September Morn. I know about the history of the painting and the artist, Paul Chabas, and though I agree that there are problems with his art, I don't necessarily agree that its kitsch. Or, at least, I think I could find a more strong example of something that is kitsch. As is evident I wrote a section about academic art in the article discussing how it was once considered equivalent to kitsch and now there is reassessment. Chabas wasn't really 'academic' per se but he followed that tradition. His paintings are less strong than his predecessors, and his oevre gets a bit silly once you realize that 95% of his painting is of bathing women. But there are some merits to some paintings, particularly September Morn. I was wondering if it would be okay with you (I would rather work with others as a courtesy) if say, I put a stronger example of kitsch in its place, or maybe move Chabas' painting or another academic-like work into the section on academic art and kitsch. brianshapiro

I put that there because the Kitsch article is on Wikipedia:Featured article candidates (great job BTW -- I nominated it) and one of the people there suggested that illustrations were needed. I tried to think of things that were already there that would help, and September Morn and the Las Vegas image were the first things to come to mind, and I knew they were already here. I looked at the illustrations at Academic art, and those struck me as not as good for the Kitsch article --- the ones chosen there are rather nicely dramatic compositions IMO, and so examples of Good Academic Art.

(FWIW my personal opinion is that Greenberg's contrast between "kitsch" and "avant-garde" is deeply flawed. It played into the hands of charlatans, and as such the high culture of the twentieth century will likely end up a laughing stock for future generations.)

But, by all means, go ahead: if you have better examples of kitsch paintings in the public domain, upload them and use them. Finding the public domain images may be difficult, and there are few art books of my knowledge devoted to the full colour reproduction of kitsch materials. -- Smerdis of Tlön 00:45, 18 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Hi, did you mean to protect Image:Sawyercave.png? It wasn't on Wikipedia:Protected page, so I assumed it was accidental, but thought I should check in case it wasn't. Angela. 07:04, Apr 19, 2004 (UTC)

No, and I was unaware that it was protected. Smerdis of Tlön 11:36, 19 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Skull (mythology)

The Durer you sent looks very nice on my wall! Seriously, thanks for starting to make some additions at that potentially useful site. You know that "Skull-into-Beauty" corny lithograph that used to be in the window of every head shop? I long to see it there too.... Though Werewolf is passable and there's a good Serpent entry and Christian Cross is pretty good, Wikipedia needs some analytic history of Sacred Bull, Dove (mythology), Bee (mythology) etc etc... BTW have you noticed the Guido Reni painting used at Archangel Michael! What a great story. All true all true. (I'm proud to see familiar text among your "favorite Quotes" section.) Wetman 00:31, 20 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Excellent. Thank you. I was struggling to describe this very image! Wetman 02:16, 19 May 2004 (UTC)

I went looking for it, and sought it in vain, until I posted a message on the alt.gothic news group, which brought forth the title and the name of the artist in short order. So I really can't take a great deal of credit for it. Smerdis of Tlön 03:14, 19 May 2004 (UTC)

Villian

On the 19th July 2003 you uploaded a modified version of a cartoon by User:J.J. called Image:Villianc.PNG. Later User:Anthony DiPierro added the {{msg:disambig}} {{msg:GFDL}} message block to the image summary page. What is the correct copyright status of this image? Do you have a pointer to the original image by User:J.J.?

The image has been nominated on WP:FPC and we really do not want to feature an image with questionable copyright status. I will also be contacting User:J.J. to get an answer "from the horse's mouth", so to speak. You may reply either on my talk page or preferably on WP:FPC. Thanks, Gaz 14:32, 3 May 2004 (UTC)

Libertine

Hi. I rewrote the article to give it more of an encyclopedic nature, but admittedly, I have a cursory knowledge of the topic. It still needs some work. More elaboration on this in the article's talk page. Alcarillo 15:57, 5 May 2004 (UTC)

• Looks much better than it did. Ran across this while typing in things that might relate to "rake." Thanks! Smerdis of Tlön 16:12, 5 May 2004 (UTC)
  • Thank you. Question, as I'm fairly new to Wikipedia: do we then take the initiative to remove the VfD tag on the article, or must we wait for an admin/sysop to do it? I was going to delete it just now, but wanted to know whether that's SOP or not. 208.196.60.42 16:38, 5 May 2004 (UTC)
    • Generally, the trend appears to be to let these things run their course, and to delete them after the canonical five days has run. I see no reason why it cannot be deleted, but someone will get to it as a matter of course in less than a week. Smerdis of Tlön 16:42, 5 May 2004 (UTC)
    • Thanks. (The previous was from me, BTW -- got logged out). Alcarillo 16:44, 5 May 2004 (UTC)

Weather lore

Thanks for supporting this article for featured article status. And thanks for finally giving me an excuse to drop a note. You are the only other person I know who is familiar with Tlön, Uqbar, Orbis Tertius. I found the book many years ago in a dusty little used bookstore and was not sure if I'd stumbled onto a little piece of esoteric knowledge or just a really weird imagination. Oh well. I still intend to find Volume XLVI of the Anglo-America Cyclopaedia, which will join my Kilgour Trout novel on the bookshelf. It is a pleasure to create with you. Denni 00:20, 2004 May 8 (UTC)

Finite verb

Hi. I notice you've done good work on the subjunctive (though personally I belong to the Maughamite euthanasia party), and I wondered if you'd be willing to have a look at finite verb. Someone put up a miserable little stub on it; I have tried to improve it, but I was reaching back 45 years to school Latin lessions and I'm not sure I have got it all right, let alone all there and up to date. Thanks. seglea 18:49, 24 May 2004 (UTC)

• I took a look at it this evening. I tried to make the definition a bit clearer; FWIW, subjunctives are inflected for person and tense, which makes them finite. Smerdis of Tlön 01:33, 25 May 2004 (UTC)

Old Norse spelling

Thank you. I'm not well-versed in Wikipedia, so if this is an inappropriate page to send messages, please excuse me. I don't know how much I will contribute or of which value it will be, but we'll see.

As for the English spelling of Old Norse, I don't really know, what the English standard is. What I do know is that ö is usually used in Icelandic publications instead of ǫ. The reason is that ǫ and ø were two separate sounds and letters. Ǫ is used to denote the u-umlaut of a (or the u-fracture of e). Ø means an i-umlaut of o or an u-umlaut of e, both pretty rare. Should I expand on this in Old Norse?

Again, thanks for the welcome. I'll be on vacation for the next few weeks, but when I get back, I thought I might write an embryonic article for rímur. Would that be useful?

Cheers Io 19:48, 25 May 2004 (UTC)

By all means, explain this in Old Norse. And yes, the rimur article needs help also, by someone more familiar with the literature. Smerdis of Tlön 14:42, 26 May 2004 (UTC)

Names in ancient literature

Sorry to bother you again, but you seem to know your way around Wikipedia and its standards. I have been filling in the article on the Elder Edda and supplying short synopses on its accompanying pages for my amusement, but the question I have is, how do you spell names that hardly have an agreed-upon form. An example might be Brynhildr as a character in the Edda. Brynhildr is her standardized Norse name. As a character in the Niebelungenlied, she probably should be referred to as Prünhilde. Variants abound. I have followed the standardized Norse version in my own contributions, but would it be impolite to impose that spelling on other articles, already in place, on the subject, in the name of consistency?

Cheers Io 12:56, 28 May 2004 (UTC)

Generally, dealing with variant spellings is what redirects are for. If we pages about Brynhild, Brunnhilda, Brynhildr, and Prünhilde that are all about the same character, there should be one article --- generally the first one --- and others should redirect there. For a recent example, compare Coueism and Couéism. My personal preference would be to keep diacritical characters out of article names in the English wikipedia, but many have been created with them; if so, at minimum a redirect should be created that points to the original article. You should probably not go and change spellings in every article to conform to your own spellings, but when appropriate you should go ahead and make redlinked variant spellings into redirects to your article. If someone has spelled it differently in the past, someone will spell it differently in the future.

A more interesting question is whether a character with a name written differently, whose story and characterization have been changed, remains the same character. . . . Smerdis of Tlön 14:19, 28 May 2004 (UTC)

Thanks. I'll read about redirects now. As I understood it, you dive in and learn as you go along. I'm sure I'll learn the etiquette eventually. :-) Cheers Io 14:39, 28 May 2004 (UTC)

PS: No the characters definitely do not remain the same. The historical Brynhildr was executed in 614. If her husband in the Eddic poems was the same Sigibert who occurs in the history of the Merovingians, he was killed in 575. After his death, Guðrún married Attila (died 453). After Attila's death, Guðrún had sons who attacked king Ermanarich in 375. So the chronology is topsy-turvy, and all we really have is the names. (I have, regrettably, only read excerpts of the Niebelungenlied, so I can't really say anything about that.) You're right, it is interesting. Io 15:06, 28 May 2004 (UTC)

PPS: I assume you are a native speaker of English. Is there an English or international term for a single stressed syllable in poetics? I have consulted dictionaries and the web, but apparently the classical rules don't allow for this. (And now I'll leave you in peace.) Io 15:23, 28 May 2004 (UTC)

Thank you for your support

Hi there! Thank you so much for your vote in support of my nomination for sysop. I feel privileged to be able to play a small part in the development of this tremendous project, and look forward to seeing you about. Your vote was very much appreciated. David Cannon 10:29, 3 Jul 2004 (UTC)

hello

Hi Ihcoyc, thanks for your additions to madrigale spirituale: it is pleasing to know I'm not the only one interested in this stuff! I've been impressed with your contributions here for a while now. Best, Antandrus 03:19, 11 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Glad they were appreciated. I see you have a number of Ars subtilior musicians on your to-do list. Not sure I have a lot of information on them, but I really like those guys. If there's anything I can do for you let me know. Smerdis of Tlön

I am illiterate...

Only now, after seeing your name around here for months, did I notice that it's Greek for Jesus if you allow the use of the letter "c" for the Greek letter sigma. And I've actually seen "c" used in just that way in various inscriptions in a Greek Orthodox church. Michael Hardy 21:29, 17 Jul 2004 (UTC)

... and I wonder: is it standard in Greek Orthodox churches to use a capital "C" instead of the usual capital Sigma that looks like a sideways "M"? In that some church I saw the word "KOCMOC" used to refer to the whole of God's creation, and in standard Greek as I (don't really) understand it, it would be ΚΟΣΜΟΣ. In the same church, I saw an icon on which was written a phrase that could be transliterated as APOSTOLOS PETROS, with the usual sidewways-M-style capital sigma. Michael Hardy 16:31, 21 Jul 2004 (UTC)

I'm not sure if there's any specific religious significance to the "lunate sigma," but my understanding is that it was fairly universal in medieval Greek writing. It got into the Cyrillic alphabet that way also. I suspect that an icon with Σ in it instead of C is a later production; more recent Greek writing seems to use that form exclusively. Greek Orthodox Cyrillic writing also contains a number of odd looking runes that represent ligatured characters. T tau and H eta often are combined, and there are others. Some of these symbols were also carried into Cyrillic where they became independent letters. Smerdis of Tlön 16:37, 21 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Thanks. Michael Hardy 00:38, 23 Jul 2004 (UTC)

A question of metrics

Do you happen to know, if there is a term in English for a single stressed syllable ending a line of poetry? This plays a major role in Icelandic metrics, but apparently not anywhere else. (Icelandic verse is so strictly oriented towards the rhythm stressed-unstressed, that iambs and anapaests are called "reversed feet". :-) Sorry to bother you with such a minor detail, but I really have been unable to find out otherwise. Cheers Io 21:54, 18 Jul 2004 (UTC)

I am fairly sure there is one, at least in Greek prosody. I am trying to put my finger on it, though, and failing. Smerdis of Tlön 03:19, 20 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for the answer. The Icelandic term for it is stúfur, which literally translates as stub. Would that be an acceptable term for English speakers in the absence of an alternative? Cheers Io 09:37, 20 Jul 2004 (UTC)

civil religion, civic religion

What do you think of these two article as now written?

I think the second one should get renamed; they're so different from each other and the names are so similar that people will forget which is which. "Extremist civil religion" is a crude idea for a title for the article now called civic religion; maybe some other adjective than "extremist" would be good? Michael Hardy 02:20, 20 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Something like "cult of the state" is what first comes to mine. Smerdis of Tlön 03:16, 20 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Metrical psalter

Excellent article. I have Loys Bourgeois (Louis) on my to-do list, if I ever get around to it (he wrote the tune for the Old 100th, and numerous others in the Genevan psalter). Some of the tunes in there are from highly secular chansons. Best wishes, Antandrus 03:37, 20 Jul 2004 (UTC)

list of religious topics

A couple of weeks ago I was amazed to find that Wikipedia's fairly substantial article titled Easter was not listed in the list of religious topics! Today I found that psalm was not listed there. So I added that and metrical psalter to the list. And I keep finding others on somewhat major religious topics that are not listed there. Could you help add them as you find them, and in particular when you create new one? Michael Hardy 23:42, 20 Jul 2004 (UTC)

The

Every word of the old article on The still exists at wiktionary:The, but I agree some of the information should be added to the Grammatical article page. But not all of it is relevant. I think the pronunciation guide and other uses are fine only being in the dictionary. - SimonP 02:32, Jul 21, 2004 (UTC)

Was the up for deletion? I seem to have missed it. Smerdis of Tlön 02:35, 21 Jul 2004 (UTC)

rest, residue, and remainder

(From merism) --- I don't use that one myself, but you are right; I have seen it.

Since you raise the question of whether you use that phrase, would it make sense to suspect that you are a lawyer? Michael Hardy 17:00, 21 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Greenburg

I added the most essential bad-faith evidence to Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Joseph Greenberg (economist), and User:Ruhrjung cited only it when he voted to Del. The voting has been open over 120 hours, but i don't think anyone quibbles about votes cast between that point and its move to /Old around 5 hours from now, if your interest continues. Thanks in any case for your interest in this VfD. --Jerzy(t) 18:35, 2004 Aug 25 (UTC)

Common scold

Hi,

I'm trying to compile a proper reference to Common scold, and I notice you added a reference to Blaxland Blackstone. Would you be able to help me out with the source of the book? I need the following information:

• Full title of the book
• author name - got this :-)
• Editors
• ISBN (if you have this)
• publisher and publisher location
• year the book was produced

Thanks!

Ta bu shi da yu 04:32, 1 Sep 2004 (UTC)

I did not add a reference to Blaxland, and don't see one in the article. Could you be more specific? Smerdis of Tlön 04:56, 1 Sep 2004 (UTC)

The history shows that you added this: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Common_scold&diff=4121294&oldid=4121283 - Ta bu shi da yu 05:08, 1 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Gah! I meant Blackstone, not Blaxland... sorry! - Ta bu shi da yu 05:10, 1 Sep 2004 (UTC)

That's Blackstone's Commentaries on the Laws of England. There are literally dozens of editions, with many differences in apparatus. As such, the Harvard Citator way is that you give the volume, chapter, section, and asterisked *page number from the first edition; many editions provide the original pages in running commentary. Mine is from 1927, and predates ISBNs. Smerdis of Tlön 11:47, 1 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Sub-categories

Please review the articles on Category system. Note especially that for A to be a sub-cat of B, it must be a matter of definition that every article in B has the property that defines category A. Which is why (with rare exceptions that it doesn't appear most of us need to worry about) any article in a given category should, if it also meets the requirements for one of its sub-categories, be removed from the (parent) category and added to the subcategory instead. (Or, if it could belong to two of them, it should be removed to both of them.)
I hadn't thot about it until i saw what you did with French poets and French-language poets, but another consequence is the fact that if two categories were defined in ways that made them subcategories of each other, we would want to move all of one's members to the other, and delete the empty one that resulted.
I fixed both of those cats, but you'll notice that removals don't usually get reflected immediately, sometimes for hours. In this case Category:French poets is waiting for the system get to it.
On the other hand, any others you did like that need someone to fix them. Tnx, --Jerzy(t) 18:01, 2004 Sep 16 (UTC)

There isn't really a way to cross-reference these things, or is there? Of course, "French poets" is somewhat ambiguous, but it might mean poets, citizens of France, writing in Breton or Flemish; while some of the "French-language poets" are citizens of Canada, the USA, Uruguay, or Belgium, and so forth. It struck me that some of the poets are misclassified because of this vagueness. Is the only solution, then, to add all of the "French poets" who wrote in French to "French-language poets" so they can be found from either category? This looks ugly and odd to see both Category:French poets and Category:French-language poets among the categories on the same page, and I can see this making trouble as well. FWIW, this is the only category I've found that presents this particular problem. Smerdis of Tlön 19:53, 16 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Re the item you put only on my page: What, don't you think your talk page should be designated as the bio of a French poet? [wink]

People are indeed adding cross refs to cat pages. I'm not sure i've noticed any of them targetting other cats, but using the colon trick meets the obvious objection. As far as i've thot about that, i like that kind of xref.

The vagueness of "French <person>" is limited by such cats' descent from Category:People by nationality, and it can be much more directly limited by putting what i call "annotations" in the body of the cat page, specifying their scope. Admittedly that's still indirect. Perhaps it's just a matter of readers getting saavy enuf to link to the cat pages. Perhaps we should push the developers to make "hovering" the link to the cat display "For clarification of the category of French poets, follow this link."

Good question, to which i have an answer, but not necessarily a good one: On reflection, if i were you, i would experiment by moving everyone eligible into Category:French poets of the French language, or Category:French writers of the French poetry and see if it ends up on w:CfD. It would of course be a subcat of both of the cats in question. At worst, the deletion discussion will be an opportunity to put more minds on the problem. Best wishes.
--Jerzy(t) 22:21, 2004 Sep 16 (UTC)

(Oh, yeah, i was thinking of Provencal & wondering whether that would be medieval Frenchmen poetizing in Provencal. And i'm pretty sure there were some French-Canadians in one of those categories. --Jerzy(t) 00:22, 2004 Sep 17 (UTC))

Rake

Thanks! I'd just discovered the Rake article, and thought it was very cool to have one specifically about the concept. I'd just been rewriting Restoration comedy without knowing about it, I need to go back and link that one to Rake right now. --Bishonen 00:09, 2 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Rake II

Hi, Smerdis, I just wrote a new The Country Wife, overwriting the 1911 EB text dump, and linking to your fine Rake article again. You might care to check it out, provided you have the stomach for the worst of the Restoration rake (not sure I have that myself, but a frank play should be described frankly). --Bishonen 12:59, 10 Oct 2004 (UTC)

LOL

"Homepage of the Society for the Propagation of Vacuous Truth" -Psyche 19:29, 18 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Princess Phan Lien

I have provided numerous third party refrences and scholar of Asian studies concerning Prince Buu Chanh.

Prince please look under listed HONORARY MEMBER on this website

Link 1: http://www.almanach.be/about/

2. "Prince-Regent" Nguyen Phuc Buu Chanh,

Link 2: http://www.prweb.com/prfiles/2004/07/07/139622/SecondFormalLetterofKingSihanouk.JPG

3. If you goto The International Monarchist League on Monarchy.net a Third Party organization please scroll down to VIETNAM and you will see that Prince Nguyen Phuc Buu Chanh is listed as well as Prince Buu Phuc who assigned Prince Buu Chanh as the Regent of the Nguyen Dynasty.

Link 3: http://www.monarchy.net/directory.htm#

4. I have researched this issue of the biography with *Dr. My-Van Tran an Asian Vietnamese Professor and confirmed the information please read her Scholar papers

5. Tran Van Ba the former Colonel in Chief of Emeperor Bao Dai and also the late Emperor's mother Dowager Empress Doan Huy Hoang Thi Hau Tu Cung.

His email is Tran_Van_Ba@hotmail.com

Here is his site as Chancellor of Order of Dragon of Annam.

Tran Van Ba

I have wrote him email and he is confirmed the information since he was Emperor Bao Dai Colonel-in-Chief and was present at Imperial Audience Emperor Bao Dai held and establish Vietnamese Imperial Family Council and assign him advisor

6. Crown Prince Bao Long is the Head of the Imperial Nguyen Dynasty of Vietnam and Sovereign of the order of the Dragon of Annam, that is not disputed at all, and since he is not active Prince Buu Chanh the spokesperson for the Royal Family and has conducting the duties unitil Crown Prince Bao Long wishes to resume his Role. The aforementioned article is used with the permission of H.H. Nguyen-Phuc Vinh Nap, Prince of Tran Dinh - http://trandinh.8m.com/first.htm

7. third party refrence of title and position: The Academy of European Medieval artial Arts or AEMMA

Since Prince Buu Chanh is the Regent of the Nguyen Dynasty they asked him to be a Honorary member

The Vietnamese Imperial Family, from my research supports Prince Buu Chanh. I have found no information that disproves the information that that I gathered from Prince Buu Chanh from any other Vietnamese Prince.

9. The Crown Prince Bao Long has not spoken out against Prince Buu Chanh role as the Regent, since he does not want to be in a political position Crown Prince Bao Long Official Statement

yes there is a dispute but, it is unfounded, because the Crown Prince or any other Vietnamese Royal Family has not spoken out against Prince Buu Chanh.Jimmyvanthach 03:12, 21 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Negation

Thank you for the excellent sample sentence. "I am the walrus," and the various forms thereof like "I do not have the walrus." That's what Wikipedia is all about. Fishal 04:54, 24 Oct 2004 (UTC)

• A radio had played a Beatles song a few minutes before I started adding grammatical negation, so it was the first thing that popped into my head. Smerdis of Tlön 16:40, 24 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Matriarchies in mythology

Aloha. I'm in the process of NPOV'ing this article, as well as attributing sources, authors and refs. Could you please provide a citation for your recent additions? If you want, feel free to add some substantiating refs on the Talk page. Also, the comments you are "rebutting" do not claim that the worship of female deities equates with a higher status of women, but in fact states, where the Minoan Great Goddess [were worshipped]...women and men were apparently equals. Equality is not the same as a "higher status of women", so your paragraph sounds more like a straw man argument. Does the article claim that the worship of female deities equates with a higher status for women? I don't see that in that article, but I could be wrong. Finally, your comments on the legal status of women in Spain and the Netherlands sounds like a false analogy coupled with the former straw man. The reasons for the legal status of women in both countries are entirely different, and have no bearing on the worship of a female deity. Of course, this is probably not your claim but merely reflects the opinion of someone else, so if you could post a cite that would be great. Thanks in advance. --Viriditas 04:14, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)

I am fairly certain that I first encountered that line of reasoning in Ronald Hutton's The Pagan Religions of the Ancient British Isles. It's also alluded to in the second edition of Stephen Goldberg's Why Men Rule: The Inevitability of Patriarchy. Smerdis of Tlön 11:34, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for your prompt reply. Since I am trying to promote a NPOV, I would like to frame each claim within the context of the original author or authors. There are a number of reasons for doing this, particularly the attributing of claims and counterclaims. For example, there are objections to Eller's claims, and those should be identified in context. Would it be possible for you to attribute "that line of reasoning" with a specific claimant? For example, "According to Goldberg and Hutton, more recent history gives little reason to believe..." I appreciate your effort in this endeavor and I again, thank you in advance for any time you can spare in promoting a NPOV. --Viriditas 02:14, 29 Oct 2004 (UTC)

I apologize for sounding like a broken record and harping like a seal, but who is it that assumes the worship of female deities "equates with a high status for women"? I don't see how equality equates with "high status", and I don't see any authors in the article making such a claim. Again, this appears to be a straw man and should be rephrased. What do you think? --Viriditas 04:55, 29 Oct 2004 (UTC)

That would be the people, whoever they are, who are asserting that in Minoan Crete there existed a "goddess culture" of sexual egalitarianism, and who are making that claim a few paragraphs up. Truth is, we know little about the law of Crete, except that they were very good at tax collection. The claim of a "goddess culture" is an argument from iconography; the business about Spain is a counter-argument from iconography.

I'm going to copy these comments to the talk page of the article; it might be easier that way.Smerdis of Tlön 13:48, 29 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Simple pronunciation guide

Thanks for pointing to your pronunciation guide proposal in the Wikipedia space. I've moved my own over there. Our design criteria are somewhat different, but it's clear that you put a lot of thought into yours as well, and I mentioned it on the talk page of my own. If you're still interested in the subject, and see any virtue in my approach, your suggestions on the talk page would be most welcome.--NathanHawking 03:35, 2004 Nov 3 (UTC)

Bloody Mary theory

I removed the section you had added to the Bloody Mary article that red: "The folklore about taunting Bloody Mary about her baby may relate her tenuously to folklore about Queen Mary I. The queen's life was marked by a number of miscarriages or false pregnancies. Had Mary I successfully born a child, this would have established a Roman Catholic succession and threatened the continuance of her religious persecutions after her death. The continuance of her political and religious plans was contingent on her bearing a child, and as such she tried desperately to conceive one."

My reason for doing so was that it was uncited and contradicts what the main references have to say on the topic. Was this original research (or theorizing as the case may be), or did you get that from some source that we could give an attribution to? Thanks, DreamGuy 16:04, Nov 25, 2004 (UTC)

A number of online sources relate some sort of link between the legend and the queen. I have restored and added to that text, making it clearer that the relationship is unlikely to go beyond the name, and linked to a couple fairly well known pages about legends that mention a relationship. Smerdis of Tlön 23:16, 25 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I responded on my page as well, but basically the new page with its clarifications looks a lot better. Thanks. DreamGuy 05:12, Nov 27, 2004 (UTC)

Article Licensing

Hi, I've started the Free the Rambot Articles Project which has the goals of getting users to multi-license all of their contributions that they've made to...

1. ...all U.S. state, county, and city articles...
2. ...all articles...

using the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike (CC-by-sa) version 1.0 and 2.0 Licenses or into the public domain if they prefer. The CC-by-sa license is a true free documentation license that is similar to the GFDL (which every contribution made to Wikipedia is licensed under), but it allows other projects, such as WikiTravel, to use our articles (See the Multi-licensing Guide for more information). Since you are among the top 1000 most active Wikipedians, I was wondering if you would be willing to multi-license all of your contributions or at minimum those on the geographic articles.

Nutshell: Wikipedia articles can be shared with any other GFDL project but open/free projects using the incompatible Creative Commons Licenses (e.g. WikiTravel) can't use our stuff and we can't use theirs. It is important to us that other free projects can use our stuff. So we use their licenses too.

To allow us to track those users who muli-license their contributions, many users copy and paste the {{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}} template (or {{MultiLicensePD}} for public domain) into their user page, but there are other templates for other options at Template messages/User namespace. The following examples could also copied and pasted into your user page:

Option 1

I agree to [[Wikipedia:Multi-licensing|multi-license]] all my contributions, with the exception of my user pages, as described below:

{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}

OR

Option 2

I agree to [[Wikipedia:Multi-licensing|multi-license]] all my contributions to any [[U.S. state]], county, or city article as described below:

{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}

Or if you wanted to place your work into the public domain, you could replace {{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}} with {{MultiLicensePD}}. If you only prefer using the GFDL, I would like to know that too. Please let me know at my talk page what you think. -- Ram-Man 21:11, Nov 29, 2004 (UTC)

Please be more careful

This edit (which was not discovered until over a dozen edits later) took a *LONG* time to clean up. →Raul654 08:50, Dec 3, 2004 (UTC)

I do not know what happened there. I got a server down error the first couple times I tried to post it, then it posted OK. -- Smerdis of Tlön 02:07, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Jerusalem

Reading your user page has led me to suspect that you would appreciate Jerusalem#In Mandaeanism... - Mustafaa 13:17, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)

License

Hi, we use Image:Ankh.png on french wiki. I've assumed it is GFDL. If I've dismissed, tell me. Tipiac 01:59, 7 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Image copyrights

Hi! Thanks for uploading Image:Ouroboros.png. I notice it currently doesn't have an image copyright tag. Could you add one to let us know its copyright status? (You can use {{gfdl}} if you release it under the GFDL, or {{fairuse}} if you claim fair use, etc.) If you don't know what any of this means, just let me know where you got the images and I'll tag them for you. Thanks so much, Edwinstearns 21:23, 9 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Unverified images

Hi! Thanks for uploading the following image:

• Image:Ihcoyc.JPG

I notice it currently doesn't have an image copyright tag. Could you add one to let us know its copyright status? (You can use {{gfdl}} if you release it under the GNU Free Documentation License, {{fairuse}} if you claim fair use, etc.) If you don't know what any of this means, just let me know where you got the imagesand I'll tag them for you. Thanks so much. [[User:Poccil|Peter O. (Talk, automation script)]] 23:31, Dec 9, 2004 (UTC)

P.S. You can help tag other images at User:Yann/Untagged_Images. Thanks again.

RFC pages on VfD

Should RFC pages be placed on VfD to be deleted? I'm considering removing Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Slrubenstein, Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Jwrosenzweig and Wikipedia:Requests for comment/John Kenney from WP:VFD. Each of them was listed by CheeseDreams. Your comments on whether I should do this would be appreciated. - Ta bu shi da yu 03:46, 10 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Unverified images

Hi! Thanks for uploading the following image:

• Image:Indulgence.PNG

I notice it currently doesn't have an image copyright tag. Could you add one to let us know its copyright status? (You can use {{gfdl}} if you release it under the GNU Free Documentation License, {{fairuse}} if you claim fair use, etc.) If you don't know what any of this means, just let me know at my talk page where you got the images and I'll tag them for you. Thanks so much. [[User:Poccil|Peter O. (Talk, automation script)]] 21:43, Dec 10, 2004 (UTC)

P.S. You can help tag other images at User:Yann/Untagged_Images. Thanks again.

Unverified images

Hi! Thanks for uploading the following image:

• Image:Death-rws.jpg

I notice it currently doesn't have an image copyright tag. Could you add one to let us know its copyright status? (You can use {{gfdl}} if you release it under the GNU Free Documentation License, {{fairuse}} if you claim fair use, etc.) If you don't know what any of this means, just let me know at my talk page where you got the images and I'll tag them for you. Thanks so much. [[User:Poccil|Peter O. (Talk, automation script)]] 03:50, Dec 11, 2004 (UTC)

P.S. You can help tag other images at User:Yann/Untagged_Images. Thanks again.

Also

• Image:Dreadnought.jpg
• Image:Durer-jerome.jpg

Also Image:Claesz-vanitas.jpg RedWolf 19:45, Dec 23, 2004 (UTC)

Image licensing

Hi, I am also reviewing image tags. I came across Image:Liberty-delacroix.jpg and thought that the image could probably be tagged with Template:PD-art because Delacroix passed away more than 100 years ago. But since I do not know the source of the image, I thought I would ask you first. Thank you for you attention, Tomos 13:33, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Do you know the copyright status of Image:Margaret-antioch.jpg? If so, please use an copyright tag on it ^_^. Thanks, ugen64 01:39, 11 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Degenerate Art

Hi, just added to the article quite a bit. In doing so, deleted your reference to the Italian archaologist who influenced Nordau. If you care to review, please do so - would appreciate it. Would cheerfully re-insert the Nordau influence if you deem appropriate. Best regards, --allie 21:56, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Don't want you to think I intentionally deleted that information; but rather, simply didn't know enough about him to include the information in order to put it in its proper context. Appreciated. Many thanks! Best regards, --allie 12:18, 23 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Just read the articles on Max Nordau and Cesare Lombroso Both biographies are fascinating but sadly neglected, considering how long ago you started them. If you feel that it's worth the effort, then I'll give it a try? Degeneracy was just reprinted with the Mosse intro. Your offer to provide some insight as to where to begin would be greatly appreciated. Any femme fatales engaged in shoe flinging during atavistic fits of malaise? --allie 18:48, 23 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Oh. P.S. I wish that I had better tech skills. The picture on that D.A. article is morbid, at best. It's in character with the overall propaganda campaign...I know, I know, it's so EASY to do. Argh. --allie 18:54, 23 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Check out the talk page, if you haven't already done so...maybe i should add some of that rant to an anon? It's solid research. Starting to loook good. Also - see my notes on my talk page re: Lombroso & link to a vanity page when 'you think you have the time' a quote from Jack Kornfield --03:32, 24 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Cedant arma togae

Actually, the literal translation of the Great State of Wyoming's motto is: "let arms yield to the gown." From the great Cicero. Source: Amo, Amas, Amat and More by Eugene Erlich. New York: Harper & Row ISBN 0062720171 (paperback) $15.00 and a must-have for the toga junkie --allie 19:42, 23 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Max Nordau

So far you are right on the money. In his essay on Wagner, Nordau refers to the card game, 'skat' "as one which Teutonics are much addicted to." This will be fun. --allie 22:04, 23 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Suggested image

Please note that suggested images should be included in the article the fact is about. What suggestion is Image:Golden bough.jpg related to and why? User:MacGyverMagic (not logged in) 131.211.210.157 13:44, 26 Jan 2005 (UTC)

King in the mountain

I would very much like to know the story that considers Theodore Roosevelt a sleeping hero who has been hiding out in a mountain all these years growing a long beard, waiting for (bald?) eagles to quit circling, so the Rough Rider can return to save the United States from some future crisis. Thanks.--Pharos 10:19, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)

I heard this variation on the story at the Corn Island Storytelling Festival in Louisville, about ten years ago. I can try to look up the bill. -- Smerdis of Tlön 12:33, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Image source

Any idea where I can get a higher resolution version of kjv-hewbrews.png or other images of the 1611 printings of the KJV? Thanks, this is very interesting. --Locarno 17:19, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)

This one was scanned in from a fairly old library book about the KJV, whose title I unfortunately don't have in front of me right now. Next time I am by there I will try to remember to look it up. -- Smerdis of Tlön 17:47, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Arthur Schopenhauer

Hi. At one point you contributed to the discussion on Arthur Schopenhauer. Currently the page is protected due to the same Gdansk/Danzig dispute as before. Comments by any side are welcome. A temporary version is at Arthur Schopenhauer/Temp. Thank you -- Chris 73 Talk 00:59, Feb 5, 2005 (UTC)

Did you know...

--Slowking Man 07:33, Feb 10, 2005 (UTC)

S. N. Smerdi Tlönensi sal. dat

Thank you very much for your kind comments. I see that you were the original author of the article and should be thanked and acknowledged. As for the treatment of the form, I doubt very much things have changed much since Allen and Greenough! The handbooks are just too shy to treat such a famously difficult problem. Most scholars treat other aspects of the Saturnian corpus, e.g. in comparison to later literature (Sander Goldberg, Epic in Republican Rome [Oxford, 1995]), and poetics (as in Watkins). Again, thanks, and best regards!

Vote on Talk:Gdansk/Vote

Hi. Since you have edited on pages with disputes about the names of Polish/German locations, I would invite you to vote on Talk:Gdansk/Vote to settle the multi-year dozends of pages dispute about the naming of Gdansk/Danzig and other locations. The vote has two parts, one with questions when to use Gdansk/Danzig, and a second part affecting articles related to locations with Polish/German history in general. An enforcement is also voted on. The vote has a total of 10 questions to vote on, and ends in two weeks on Friday, March 4 0:00. Thank you -- Chris 73 Talk 00:37, Feb 18, 2005 (UTC)

Tax protester Page

You added some good info to the section on tax protesters on the income tax page, so I was wondering if you would have a look at the tax protester page - I've been told it needs a cleanup. --BD2412 05:02, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)