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GA-nomination Request

Bruin2 has asked to have John Ross (Cherokee chief) GA-nominated again, but I am not really familiar with the process and since you had done so for the Oklahoma House of Representatives article, I thought you might consider putting in this request. If you think it is not ready for the nomination you might speak to him about it. I have gotten him to expand the lead a bit more. Okheric (talk) 02:42, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up I don't know how I missed Bruin2's request, as for the article it still needs work but I have stated a discussion with Bruin2 on his talk page and if the issues are fixed it will make a really good GA nomination.--Dcheagle • talk • contribs 04:46, 2 October 2013 (UTC)
I would appreciate your posting your list of issues, so this article can move forward. Thanks for your review. (talk) 15:53, 2 October 2013 (UTC)
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Stub deletion

I am noticing a lot of stubs in our project that our highly likely to never grow further, such as Brenda Reneau. I'm not very familiar with article deletions. It seems like it is difficult to get people to weigh in to help complete the process. I thought we might work together to get a few of these deleted, starting with the above-mentioned article. Okheric (talk) 15:48, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

Ok Well the first thing that needs to be done is we need to go over the list of stubs and see if any of them meet the Notability guidelines and if there is any chance that the could be expanded. If not then we can start the process getting these stubs deleted.--Dcheagle • talk • contribs 20:22, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
Hi Okheric,
I concur with both you and Dcheagle about going over the list of WP:Oklahoma stubs, and would like to help.. The example you cite certainly doesn't address the notability requirement very well. In such cases, I would post on the article talk page that it is being considered for deletion. This would be a heads up to the original author or anyone else that is really interested in the subject to add more relevant information. After a short period, say two weeks, then proceed with deletion process. Sometimes people start an article then get sidetracked on something else.
I have been pursuing stubs about several topics in WP:Oklahoma, especially counties, cities, and some general topics for this very reason. Usually I avoid the people articles unless I happen to know something about the subject, or it fits with another topic that I have worked on. Not a very scientific process, but hopefully will help get us to the same end point. Bruin2 (talk) 01:14, 15 October 2013 (UTC)
I cited the Notability guidelines as a base line for determining what can stay and be expanded and what just needs to be deleted because if its not notable and doesn't meet the baseline requirements then there's no need to try to keep and expand it in the first place.
Is there a particular tag used to cite its being considered for deletion? Brenda Reneau is no longer in office and I don't think it is likely much more will be written about her. Labor Commissioner in Oklahoma is like a stepping stone job. Either the individual goes onto something else from that office or they disappear into obscurity. There are a lot of these pages that have been started by officials and have gone nowhere since their initial writing. I looked at expanding them initially but there really wasn't much out there. Okheric (talk) 13:46, 15 October 2013 (UTC)
Placing a {{notability}} tag on the articles I am questioning. Okheric (talk) 13:56, 15 October 2013 (UTC)
That would be a start in the process, place the tag's then wait two weeks then if no one steps in to expanded it or contest the tag then we mark it for deletion. Before we start to do this we need to come up with some guidelines to follow while we do this Ill try to come up with some starting out then we can tweek them if we need to.
I am removing some notability tags. Someone stepped in and contested notability challenges to Brenda Reneau, noting that statewide elected officials qualify for notability, even if not much information is available. He also challenged notability challenges to some of the athlete and Division 1 head coach categories. So far this is the only feedback I have received. Okheric (talk) 15:03, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
I was also able to expand Brenda Reneau. I did a Newsok.com search for her and found some stories. The article is still a stub, but at least not so pathetically tiny. I also added an infobox. Okheric (talk) 18:22, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
After looking over the stubs, most if not all just need to be expanded. I think only a hand full will need to be deleted. So its just a matter of slowly expanding these stubs. I'm also getting ready to start a simi-automated process of going thru all the stubs to see if any just need to have there assessment changed.--Dcheagle • talk • contribs 19:38, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Removed notability tag on Mareta West and expanded article. I also removed the notability tag for an OU head coach, though the article was scarce. About 5 articles remain tagged. Okheric (talk) 19:53, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, was more than 5, here's the list:

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Head football coach compensation tables

I retitled a (stagnant) discussion you initiated at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject College football as "Head football coach compensation tables," attempting to bring more specific focus to it. Please feel free to revert me if you disagree with this change. Cheers. UW Dawgs (talk) 06:52, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

No that's ok UW Dawgs, at the time I was just trying to get some discussion going before DMB112 began adding more tables to an article already overloaded with tables.--Dcheagle • talk • contribs 07:02, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

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The information included on the Energy FC page is factually incorrect. Please remove it. We will have our lawyers contact the company to correct it should you continue to change the edits that are made. The information is incorrect. If you'd like to get the real story, you can email me your information, and Bob Funk, Jr. will contact you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sportsismylife87 (talk • contribs) 03:55, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

Hi Sportimylife87 you have continued to remove well sourced content that is backed up by a number of independent secondary sources which you have failed to explain, continued removal could end with your User account being blocked. It also seems that you a have a conflict of interest by your possible employment by Prodigal LLC and you have also threatened legal action which could also result in your account being blocked.--Dcheagle • talk • contribs 04:16, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

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Tables and prose

Hi Dcheagle,

It appears that you are closely following the tables vs. prose style guide when editing articles, however other contributor finds tables more readable. It was discussed here and there.

At one of the articles, your interaction involved 9 undos of edits by Kobra98.

As he/she came to Live Chat to ask for help, I would like to encourage that:

  1. Question is opened at the relevant wikiproject talk page about pertinence of tables in such context. (It is his task. I have asked him/her to do it.)
  2. No further edits in this direction are made, not by you and not by Kobra98.
  3. After community agreement is reached, it is followed.

In general, I would like to encourage that in general we all

  1. Don't resort to FA and other article statuses when choosing how to write them, or justifying our actions. The articles should be better, and these statuses are irrelevant to the intermediate work. (Goal of "having written or contributed to as many FA/GA/etc articles as possible" is, in my view, disastrous.) While you may advertise it on your page, I'm very positive that it is not relevant to discussion of how to write an article better.
  2. Don't use edit summaries to talk to other contributors. When we realize we're putting more information in edit summary than a summary of the edit, start a discussion.
  3. Be very very passive about removing accurate information from an article where you think it's not styled properly. Edit war barrier is not 3 here, it is 1 — styling is a much much less urgent matter than content. (I observed that both you and the other contributor removed accurate sourced content due to preference of different way to put it.)

Many thanks,
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The relevant discussion at the WikiProject talk page. Gryllida (talk) 09:54, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

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NFL Draft section consensus

I and three other users discussed the issue of table vs. prose (unlike you did before your changes) on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject College football#NFL Draft, and we came to a consensus that a table looks better in this situation, or at least a table with a short paragraph accompanying it. I'm changing it back for the FINAL time, and if you revert my edits, I'm reporting you for vandalism. Also, that thing you keep referencing (I believe it was Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Embedded lists) doesn't even apply to this situation, because it's referring to things that can be explained in more detail with prose. A simple "he was drafted by this team, this round, this pick" type of thing can easily be explained in a table. Kobra98 (talk) 00:23, 18 January 2014 (UTC)

I confirm that I saw this decision, Kobra98; I'd like to kindly request that both you, and Dcheagle, try to firmly follow these points:
  • Allow for the presence of a table in such context, if someone wants to add one.
  • Do not remove content someone else wrote, even if it might seem too much prose; just append a table near it.
(For reference of context, I'm also linking to this and that here; not losing the thread is the reason I personally tend to do archiving manually, once an issue got all chances to be discussed.) Thanks. ☺ --Gryllida 20:54, 18 January 2014 (UTC)

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Hi Dcheagle; are you going to continue with the things at Talk:Oklahoma City/GA1, because the review is taking too long and will be failed unless somebody takes the time to rectify the article. Unless you tell me you're going to get back to it soon I'll fail the review on Friday. Rcsprinter123 (articulate) @ 20:57, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

I had an unexpected family emergency, I plan to start working on it a again later today.--Dcheagle • talk • contribs 23:07, 10 March 2014 (UTC)
Good, thanks for the brief explanation. Rcsprinter123 (tell me stuff) @ 23:10, 10 March 2014 (UTC)
You still haven't... Rcsprinter123 (gas) @ 09:27, 16 March 2014 (UTC)
I know I'm trying but this family emergency has turned into one problem after other and I cant seem to get anytime cleared to fix the issues, you may need to fail it for now and I'll come in when I've got the time fix the things you've listed and renominate it.--Dcheagle • talk • contribs 09:43, 16 March 2014 (UTC)
OK, failed for now. Rcsprinter123 (push) @ 19:34, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
Ok thanks I will start working on it once Im freed up from outside stuff then renominated it.--Dcheagle • talk • contribs 23:30, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

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You said a while back that you were working on creating a rankings template that could be used for any season. Well, someone's already made a new template for post-BCS years, but can you complete the one for pre-CFP use? Kobra98 (talk) 02:45, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

If I have time Ill working on something.--Dcheagle • talk • contribs 03:57, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

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I was about to comment on your removal of my PP req

So this was going to be my question about your removal of my page protection req but you have already undone that. Quick question, how on earth did that happen? :) EoRdE6(Come Talk to Me!) 03:32, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

Not quite sure how, I clicked on a link to look at a dif and next thing I know I rollbacked your edit. Confuses me just is much as it might confuse you.--Dcheagle • talk • contribs 03:36, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

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Why did you revert my changes to the B12 national team titles? It is consistent with the other 5 Conferences. If you click on the School nickname, you can see the details for each school. Please let me know. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Paulmec (talk • contribs)

Manly your format, there is nothing wrong with the current format of the sections. And because your additions to the Oklahoma Sooners just added more of the same thing that's already listed, there's no need to list the same championships on the page twice. Also please sign your questions with--~~~~ --Dcheagle • talk • contribs 00:44, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

The Conference page that I added is consistent with the other major conferences, which includes the following features that the current page did not have: 1. Breaks out the men's and women's totals as separate columns. 2. Allows columns to be sorted. 3. Has individual team links to show the details for each school, which must add up to the conference page. 4. Has link to list of schools with the most NCAA Division 1 team championships. These numbers should be consistent with each of the conferences. 5. Reference to the NCAA Website that has the official totals for each school.

I think that you are only looking at the Big 12 page and should take a look at the other conferences, please? {{User talk:{Paulmec|Paulmec}}

OKC Barons fold vs. relocate

You reverted an edit I made on the American Hockey League page. Is there a reason or recent article that cites the Barons as still folding vs. just relocating the franchise? What I have found is they announced in December they were folding then on January 29 both the AHL, the Oilers, and the Condors released press releases stating it as a franchise move. They all say the same thing but all organizations involved haven't stated otherwise since. In my opinion, this designates it as a relocation the same as Adirondack, Norfolk, Manchester, and Worcester. I will leave it as is for now as the only facts are that OKC was going to fold in 2015 regardless of the formation of Pacific Division. Yosemiter (talk) 21:47, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

I list them as folding as that's what the ownership group (Prodigal, LLC) has said. The Barons are affiliated with the Oilers with an affiliation agreement which ends at end of this season, that agreement from what I understand about stats that the Oilers own the name of the team, color, etc but that Prodigal owns the team and manages the day to day ops--Dcheagle • talk • contribs 22:03, 18 February 2015 (UTC).
I am not disagreeing with the Barons folding per se as I am only trying to keep the AHL page simplified. The Oilers took over the Barons franchise upon Prodigal's decision to fold the team, and then the Oilers moved their franchise rights to Bakersfield. Hence the simplification of the Oilers relocating the franchise as opposed to folding and starting a new team. Yosemiter (talk) 22:12, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
But's that the thing it is a new team, The Barons are to fold at the end of the season and the Oilers didn't take over the franchise they just decided to not renew the affiliation agreement. When the current season ends the Oilers will then move there affiliation to the new team that they start in Bakersfield that will be owned by the Oilers themselves. I'm not disagreeing to the fact that Oilers are moving the affiliation from OKC to Bakersfield, I'm just trying to show that that its just the affiliation that is moving and not the Barons them self.--Dcheagle • talk • contribs 22:30, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
I guess this is just a difference of opinions, but typically the League in which a team plays refers to franchise history and not ownership history. Owners and teams fold all the time, but league histories refer to franchise histories (in this case the franchise license with the AHL is and has always been owned by the Oilers). It just seems odd to single out OKC as a folding team when the AHL press releases only care about what the franchise is doing. On another note that may not reflect a "new" team, all the two-way contract Oilers players and the Barons coaching staff that has contracts with the Oilers will be in Bakersfield next year (unless they are released or fired). Bottom line for me - in five or ten years when this is old news will it be looked upon as an expansion team or a relocated franchise, other old team articles seem to focus on the latter. Yosemiter (talk) 23:07, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

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