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Should I be bold and revert a recent edit that sounds irrelevant and self-serving?

"The Everly Brothers" article has received a lot of editing traffic since Phil Everly's death on Jan 3. While most of the edits seem to have sorted themselves out, the most recent addition (02:56, 5 January 2014 by‎ Joebeckerinpoland) raised my eyebrows:

Phil and Don Everly were proud members of Tau Kappa Epsilon (TKE) Fraternity. Both brothers were members of the Gamma-Rho chapter, Indiana State University. TKE fraternity is one of the nations largest men's college fraternity.

At first I just noticed the spelling/grammar errors. Then I began to question its neutrality ("proud") and self-serving irrelevance ("one of the nations largest..."). So far in my minimal WP editing career I've stuck to grammar and such. Now I'm thinking of ripping out these three sentences entirely. Or should I go to the article's Talk page first. What do you think? Martian (talk) 03:57, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

Welcome, my favorite Martian. If the fraternity stuff is referenced, you could instead edit to achieve the neutral point of view. Delete "proud" and the third sentence. If unreferenced, remove it all. Explain in your edit summary, and discuss on the talk page if you are reverted. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 04:09, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
Thanks mucho, Jim! In checking back on the article just now, I see others cleaned up that paragraph while I wasn't looking ;-) What a great community! I'll be back for more tea occasionally; this is a great place to learn. Thanks for all you do! Martian (talk) 14:53, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

Others editing your own User articles

Hello Teahouse,

I have several articles being created on my userpage. I have noticed recently that two articles were reviewed by DragonflySixtyseven (have only just started on these pages ( User:DavidAnstiss/Barton's Point Coastal Park and User:DavidAnstiss/Lower Leas Coastal Park) in early December) and am still researching details before they are finished enough to become real articles. Why would they be reviewed now ?

Also an article about The Horizon (a youtube webseries) User:DavidAnstiss/The_Horizon - have not created articles about webseries so still finding correct ways of dispaying the info ! But was shocked to find it had been editted by a non-user on the 29th December ! I thought non-users count not see user page articles.

Also (just to be cheeky) have question about images - have editted SB Hibernia. Due to a book in local library - in the book is an image of the barge. I have access to a scanner - what are the correct ways of scanning the image and adding it to the article Thanks DavidAnstiss (talk) 14:09, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

Hello DavidAnstiss, and welcome to the teahouse. All pages in Wikipedia, including all pages in userspace, are visible to everybody, and unless specifically protected (usually because of persistent vandalism) can be edited by anyone. It is customary not to edit pages in somebody's user space, but there is no rule forbidding it: the policy is at WP:UP#OWN. If you found their edits disruptive, please post a warning message to their talk page; otherwise you might ask them not to edit the article, or to discuss changes with you; but you do now own the page. (As an IP user, they might come in on a different IP address and not see that talk page; I'm afraid there's not really anything you can do in that case.)
I'm puzzled by your comments about reviews by DragonflySixtyseven: I can't find any evidence of that user or anybody having reviewed User:DavidAnstiss/Barton's Point Coastal Park, or indeed of that user having touched a page in your user space. Finally, thank you for giving the full names of the pages involved, but if you enclosed them in double square bracket thus [[User:DavidAnstiss/Barton's Point Coastal Park]] they would appear as links so: User:DavidAnstiss/Barton's Point Coastal Park, and be more useful. --ColinFine (talk) 15:45, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
To clarify the 'review' by DragonflySixtyseven, what you are talking about is likely to be a new page patrol I think. Samwalton9 (talk) 15:54, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
Samwalton9ColinFine, you made a typo that completely changes the meaning of what you meant to say.— Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 16:58, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
DragonflySixtyseven kindly left me a message on my talk page explaining the review/patrol - but also thank you for the other answers!DavidAnstiss (talk) 15:19, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
A discussion over a similar case may be found at Wikipedia talk:Editor review#Non-Requested Review ?. benzband (talk) 15:23, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

What happened to google news archive search?

A number of places on Wikipedia recommend using the Google news archive search. For example, the "Gnews old" link at Template:Prod_blp/dated. However, this option is not currently available to me. When I click on the link, there is a little yellow popup that says "The search option you have selected is currently unavailable." Does anyone know anything about this? Does this feature occasionally go down for maintenance, or has it been discontinued? I'm not sure, but I don't think I have been able to do a Google news archive search for a few days. ParacusForward (talk) 05:49, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

Hello, ParacusForward. Google says that they are completely restructuring News Archive search, and that it will be relaunched in a couple of months. Please see the final paragraph of Google News Archive for more information. Many Wikipedia editors have expressed their concerns about the extended loss of one of our most valuable research tools. We have to hope that they will keep their promise. Cullen328 Let's discuss it
Thanks, Cullen. I am not surprised this has been discussed before, but I was unable to find any other discussions. Searching for "google", "news", and "archive" proved to make finding the results I was looking for difficult. I didn't think to look at the actual Wikipedia article. Where else on Wikipedia would a topic like this be discussed? ParacusForward (talk) 06:05, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
ParacusForward, one of the responsible Google managers, Matt Bariletti, has a Wikipedia account. Take a look at User talk:Matt Bariletti - Community Manager, make a comment there if you want, and check out a useful link that you will find there. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 06:23, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for the link, Cullen. ParacusForward (talk) 17:26, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

Organizing Userboxes

Hi, Over the course of my month on Wikipedia, I have accumulated numerous userboxes on my userpage. Everything worked beautifully when I had just a few of them, but now that I have amassed a larger number, the formatting has become really...weird. How do I make them align to neat rows again? Thanks! Sincerely, Cogito-Ergo-Sum (14) (talk) 18:07, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

Hi Cogito, thanks for your question. I ran into this a while ago myself. I found that using the following formatting was helpful for me:
{{userboxtop}}
(Userboxes go here)
{{userboxbottom}}
This means that this:
Extended content
la-1Hic usor simplici latinitate contribuere potest.
enThis user is a native speaker of the English language.
ipa-1
ə		This user has a basic understanding of the International Phonetic Alphabet.
Should turn into this:
Extended content
This should organize your userboxen into a single column. Template:Userboxtop has other customizability with alignment and header text which you can check out. Let me know if you have any questions. I, JethroBT drop me a line 19:29, 2 January 2014 (UTC)
Thanks! Cogito-Ergo-Sum (14) (talk) 17:58, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

Clearing Talk Page

Hi,
While patrolling recent changes, I just noticed that a vandal blanked their talk page (which had several warnings on it). I am completely uninvolved with the vandal (none of the warnings are mine). Is it standard to revert the edit and restore the warnings, or should I leave it be, even though it seems against the rules?
Thanks!
Cogito-Ergo-Sum (14) (talk) 18:03, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, CogitoErgoSum14. The warnings still stand, even if removed. Escalating warnings should be given if vandalism continues. If the person has abandoned editing, or is trying to make constructive edits, leave it be. Take action at WP:AIV if vandalism persists.
Users can remove any comments including routine notices, and removal is taken as a sign that the material has been read and understood. They can't remove block or ban notices. Also, they can't edit other user's comments to change the meaning. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 18:37, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
Thanks! Cogito-Ergo-Sum (14) (talk) 18:39, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

How to publish an article?

I want to write an article on the poet Hafiz Muhammad Fazal Azim Taha but it was deleted. Now I have written it on Articles for creation talk but I m not sure that it could be published. Tell me the right way how can I publish this article on Wikipedia. Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Hafiz Muhammad Fazal Azim Taha. Raja Umar Khan (talk) 14:16, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome to the Wikipedia Teahouse! In response to your question, your article was unfortunately deleted and denied on Wikipedia:Articles for creation because it does not show how the subject is notable. "Notable" means there are enough independent sources that discuss this topic. Notability is needed for a subject to be included on Wikipedia. Do not be discouraged by this, though! Continue looking for sources, and consider creating a userspace draft where you can work on it before it's ready. Reply if you need any more help. --Anon126 (talk - contribs) 19:03, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
There's no need to create a userspace draft - you could just carry on improving the submission at Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Hafiz Muhammad Fazal Azim Taha and then resubmit it when it's ready. Have you read WP:REFB? It might help you improve the formatting of the references. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 22:52, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

Image of Woman in commons

I stumbled upon Woman.jpg in the commons when I tried something in my sandbox. It seems problematic that a headless female nude somehow represents "woman". What would be a good way to address the issue?. Michiel Duvekot (talk)|(contribs) 17:47, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

Hi, Michiel Duvekot, and welcome to the Teahouse. I guess you are speaking about this file: File:Woman.jpg. I don't really see any issue there. It is indeed a photo of a woman. In any case, that image is located at Wikimedia Commons, Wikipedia's sister project. They have they own rules about file names (see here: [1]). Vanjagenije (talk) 19:29, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
Thanks Vanjagenije (talk · contribs), I'll suggest that it be renamed. Michiel Duvekot (talk)|(contribs) 20:55, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
Worth noting, Mduvekot, are a few other facts: Although the image has been on Commons since July, 2008, it is not used anywhere on English Wikipedia, nor on any other language Wikipedia. Also, it is not in any active categories on Commons. The photographer has not been active on Wikimedia projects since late 2008. In other word, though the image exists, it is pretty obscure. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 22:57, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

an edit I did was removed

A recent edit I did was removed and this message posted to me. I can’t see any way to respond to it. but here is what it said “User talk:Katyrw

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

clip_image002 Your addition to Peacock Brewery has been removed, as it appears to have added copyrighted material to Wikipedia without permission from the copyright holder. If you are the copyright holder, please read Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials for more information on uploading your material to Wikipedia. For legal reasons, Wikipedia cannot accept copyrighted text, or images borrowed from other websites, or printed material without a verifiable license; such additions will be deleted. You may use external websites or publications as a source of information, but not as a source of content, such as sentences or images—you must write using your own words. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously and persistent violators will be blocked from editing “

The material I posted is from my own ezine, www.americanroads.net. I own the copyright and have written most of the articles including the one referred to in this post.

KatyrwKatyrw (talk) 20:51, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

@Katyrw: Welcome to the Teahouse. If you want to be able to add the material, you have to change the license of your site to the Creative Commons Attribution Share Alike license. --Jakob (talk) 21:13, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
Hello Katyrw. I took a look at your website and it says "all rights reserved" at the bottom of the home page. Other than properly cited very brief quotations, we can't use any such written material on Wikipedia, because we allow anyone, anywhere to reuse our content for any purpose, as long as they attribute to Wikipedia and our volunteers. That is incompatible with your stated copyright terms. Please read our policy on Copyright violations for more information. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 21:24, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
Incidentally, if you want to license just a specific section of your website (i.e. not all of it), you can do so using the instructions at Wikipedia:Declaration of consent for all enquiries. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 22:29, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
However, even if you do release your content, that does not mean the content can remain on Wikipedia. Much of the content you have added is written in the style of a travel guide or brochure, overly fluffy and promotional, and as such is not encyclopedic--Jac16888 Talk 22:37, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

Ok. I think I understand. You don't want an descriptive adjectives or explanation to help people visualize. More like as Jack Webb said "Just the facts." Will rework towards that end.Completely different style for me. I am a travel writer and love telling people about places I enjoy. Thanks for the help understanding this better. I love Wikipedia and want to improve it not hurt it. I have contributed photos and cash in the past because I think it serves a great purpose.

KatyrwKatyrw (talk) 00:01, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

I suspected you might be from the tone of your additions, and you've hit the nail bang on the head there - hard facts only, backed up by references as much as possible, and not every little detail needs to be included--Jac16888 Talk 00:12, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
Okay. Thanks for the prompt response and for your patience in explaing to me. I will rework and fix. Will try for the Dragnet effect.

KatyrwKatyrw (talk) 00:51, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

Online reliable sources for book articles

Hi! I plan to write an article on a book. Is there a list on Wikipedia of online reliable sources for book articles? For example, Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/Sources provides a list of reliable online sources for video game articles.

Thanks! Bananasoldier (talk) 02:43, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

Hey Bananasoldier. I know of no book-specific guideline for located reliable sources, but that's the rule rather than the exception for most topics. Video games are an area where it's often difficult to find reliable sources in the usual places (which I'll get to in a moment) because of how recent they often are and their nature so that guideline was created. For books, like many topics, the usual places are (other) books (Google Books [note this citation tool!]), magazines, newspapers, journals (Google Scholar) and so on. Unfortunately, Google's News archive is down for possibly two months or more and may greatly hamper writing an article on a book, because newspapers are often the predominant place to turn for a book--many books are treated almost nowhere else. However there are other newspaper resources, though the only ones at all comparable (or better) are pay sites (newspaperarchive.com is amazing [though better for older material than current]). For a list of free newspaper sources, see Wikipedia:Free English newspaper sources. Note also the wonderful resource exchange request forum – if you know of a source or likely source but do not have access you can request it there. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 05:05, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
Thank you! Bananasoldier (talk) 05:51, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
Anytime!--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 06:02, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

Is my 1st ref/citation written correctly? And how to determine info which wasn't cited? And is this best place to ask those?

Hi~ 3 questions~

On article: Trinity_Rescue_Kit : 1. I just wrote my 1st reference/citation (not sure diff between those) for an article...I wonder if I did it correctly, especially the date/access info part and formatting? (looking at the Wiki markup on other pages, it looks really complicated...so I hope I didn't leave anything out) If someone could check it, that would be great, thanks! :D

On article: SystemRescueCD : 2. It says "Various" for its license...but I can't find where that info is from in the article nor from the subject's website. Should I try to add "citation needed" or something?

3. Are these kinds of questions better asked elsewhere, like my Talk page?

(I so often don't edit Wikipedia because I'm worried I'll do so incorrectly style/rule-wise or maybe introduce errors... o_o;;)

Thank you very much and have a great day~!!! ^O^O^O^)/ ZeniffMartineau (talk) 04:53, 6 January 2014 (UTC) I added a 3rd question, sorry! ZeniffMartineau (talk) 04:57, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse! I'll answer your three questions in order.
  1. Wikipedia has no one citation format across the site, but all citations should be the same format in a single article. There is a list of basic information you should include in a citation. You do not need to format citations by hand: Citation templates are an easy way to make sure that the format remains consistent. All you have to do is fill in the blanks. (See the examples to get an idea of how this works.)
  2. Hm... This is a problem. I can't seem to find licensing information, either (but I'll keep looking). You have already brought this issue up on the article's talk page, which is good. You can also try to look for this information yourself and add it in once you find it.
  3. The Teahouse is a great place to ask these questions! But yes, there are many other places to ask for help on Wikipedia, including your talk page. (Add {{helpme}} to a new section.) You can check out this page for more places depending on the type of question you have.

Hope this helps! Reply if you have any more questions. --Anon126 (talk - contribs) 05:34, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

License found.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 06:10, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

Yes! The info and especially those links are especially helpful~! Thank you very much!! :D Wow, and the license was on the main page! I don't know how I missed it! :P Thanks again to both of you~^^)/ --ZeniffMartineau (talk) 08:53, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

Contact after posting an article

I wrote an article over a month ago and submitted it for review. I've heard nothing since then and the article remains unpublished. Will I be contacted if the article is deleted? Will I be given any feedback about why it may have been deleted?

Thanks, Lily Lily.olson23 (talk) 06:43, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

Hello, welcome to the Teahouse! I did some digging, and the article seems to be Alan Berg (Nutritionist). You should be notified if the submission is rejected or deleted, and you should receive feedback on either your talk page or the article itself. You can continue to edit the article for a better chance of it being accepted. Thanks for your contribution! --Anon126 (talk - contribs) 07:07, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
Just another note: You can also watch the page by clicking the star in the top-right corner of the page. This way you can see any changes (including approval/rejection notice) posted there on your watchlist. Hope this helps! --Anon126 (talk - contribs) 07:16, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
For further information, if that is the draft in question, it was not submitted "over a month ago"; the submission date was 14 December. I notice also that the draft has been moved this morning from Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Alan Berg (Nutritionist) to Draft:Alan Berg (nutritionist); the Draft: namespace is a pretty recent addition to Wikipedia's naming system. --David Biddulph (talk) 09:03, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

Feedback on First Article: Hou De Kharcha

I just finished my first article Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Hou De Kharcha and I would like to get some feedback from experienced editor. Initially article got declined but then working with editor MatthewVanitas I was able to bring it to a better standard. I have resubmitted the article - Can you please provide suggestions or critic on article. According to my reviewer this article has potential to go on Wikipedia: Did you know... - How does that work? How do I submit the article? Although my article still needs to be approved :)


Thanks and any comments are welcome Coolflip9 (talk) 16:35, 2 January 2014 (UTC)


What's usual turnaround time to get page reviewed, approved? I got really quick response earlier and I updated as per directions from reviewer who is now on wiki leave. now with all updates I m ready! But my article hasn't been reviewed even though I have resubmitted again! Coolflip9 (talk) 00:38, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. I notice that you don't seem to have had a response to your question. It says in the box at the top of your draft:
"This may take 2–3 weeks. The Articles for creation process is highly backlogged. Please be patient. There are 1241 submissions waiting for review."
The 2-3 weeks is the general guideline, but over the holiday period the queue has got rather longer and some have been waiting for a bit longer than 3 weeks. As your most recent submission was less than 4 days ago, you may have some time to wait. You can see the queue at Category:AfC pending submissions by age. --David Biddulph (talk) 10:49, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

Adding episodes, etc. for a TV Documentary

Hi,

I recently watched a PBS documentary called "Carrier." It was pretty good, so I checked Wikipedia and found that somebody has already made a page for it called Carrier (documentary). The page is OK, but I think it can be made even better so I thought I'd take a crack at improving it. I have created some episode summaries, DVD releases, etc. in my sandbox, but have not put added them to the main article yet. I am looking for feedback on what I've done so far and suggestions on what might still need to be done before I add to the main article. You can leave comments on my talk page or here. Thanks in advance Marchjuly (talk) 11:05, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

Admin

I would like to become an administer, how do I request it? TDFan2006 (talk) 13:06, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

Hi and welcome to the teahouse. Please see WP:RfA for the procedure in requesting adminship. I do, however, not recommend that you apply as admins are required to have a large amount of experience in editing first. Samwalton9 (talk) 13:14, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
@TDFan2006: Seconding what Sam said, please see Wikipedia:Guide to requests for adminship, Wikipedia:Miniguide to requests for adminship, Wikipedia:How to pass an RfA, Wikipedia:Advice for RfA candidates and Wikipedia:Not now. In short, please do not apply now as you will need far more experience than you have now from which users could assess your suitability. Though there is no hard and fast rule, approximately 1 year and 3,000 good and varied edits across the project are expected as a minimum. Many newish users like yourself have applied for adminship at a time too early and found that experience harsh. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 14:59, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
HJ Mitchell gave me some good advice in that adminship isn't a status symbol, you should only apply to become an admin when you actually need to be an admin to get things done. Best, Matty.007 15:02, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
Adding to Matty.007's response, I'd like to point out that there are many ways for non-admins to request things that only administrators can use. There are probably too many to list, actually. If you need help with this, feel free to ask here at the Teahouse or place {{helpme}} on your talk page. --Anon126 (talk - contribs) 19:29, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

Okay. I'll know for next time. TDFan2006 (talk) 11:26, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

What is wrong??

Dear Stefan! Could you please help me out with the page Global Medical Aid - I am a neutral user that wishes to raise awareness about this great organization... It really saves lives - Why is there still a issue with the page? Thank you

Erikch1995 (talk) 16:06, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

Hi Erikch, firstly you should know that Wikipedia is not for Promotion. The article has not been 'approved' by anyone, it has been created by you and is currently live on the site, accessible to anyone who finds it. The issues raised by another user are that there may not be enough reliable sources to verify the information found in the article, as well as the notability of the subject. Samwalton9 (talk) 16:17, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Welcome to the Teahouse. There are a number of areas in which the article ought to be improved. Firstly many of the references are bare urls, which makes it difficult to see what they are. Try reading WP:referencing for beginners, and using templates such as {{cite web}} to include further data on the links you are using. You have used links to Wikipedia (or to Wikipedia Commons) as references, & this doesn't comply with WP:CIRCULAR. Some of the files which you've uploaded to Commons have been tagged for deletion as possible copyright violations as they are missing permission information; there are warnings on your Commons user talk page. References (reliable sources) should be information which has already been published elsewhere, and in this case you shouldn't be uploading a copy to Commons but should merely be referring to where it has already been published. Other people can comment further on the article. --David Biddulph (talk) 16:28, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

Can I create custom templates under my namespace? (e.g. User:Helixsoft/Template1)

I need to create custom templates for my user page, and I was wondering if I could create one under my namespace, similarly to userboxes. Helixsoft (talk) 01:40, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

Hey, and welcome to the Teahouse. If it's for your userpage, then yes, definitely! ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 02:20, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
@SuperHamster: Thanks so much! I really appreciate it, and I hope you have a great time at Wikipedia. Helixsoft (talk) 16:31, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

Adding a listing

Friends; I am an author and am currently working on a novel whose main character, a boy raised in isolation, enters the REAL world. He is discovered by a TV talk show host and talks about stardust and compost, the remaking of the world. He becomes an international celebrity. He spends hours on Wikipedia. A friend says that he, himself, should be on Wikipedia. Simon Seeker, The Stardust Kid. I can't find any instructions on how to create a new entry. Is that possible? ThanksSimonseeker (talk) 16:04, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

Hi and welcome to the teahouse. Unfortunately that subject is unsuitable for a Wikipedia article. Articles must be covered in reliable independent sources, see WP:42. Samwalton9 (talk) 16:07, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
Hello, Simonseeker. As Samwalton9 says, you should not create such an article, as it will certainly get deleted. But I'm not sure whether you're asking that, or wanting information as to how he would go about it in the book. Sam's link will help with that, as will Your first article too - but for realism, if he tries it the article should get rejected or deleted! --ColinFine (talk) 17:59, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

Non-free media information

Hi,

I am in the process of creating an article about a Shogi tournament called the "NHK Cup TV Shogi Tournament." I am almost finished with it, but am wondering if I can use some images or screenshots of the tournament that are already online or that I will capture myself. None of it will be my own creation, and I know there are copyright concerns, but I am wondering if I can use stuff like this to enhance the article simply because there are no freely licensed images, etc. of this particular tournament or no real way to actually recreate them. Just curious if it would satisfy the criteria for non-free content. I believe it might, I'm not sure. Thanks Marchjuly (talk) 11:13, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

Hi, Marchjuly, and welcome to the Teahouse. I guess we are talking about this: NHK Cup (Shogi). I see you understand our copyrights policies quite good. Wikipedia should not host copyrighted images, because that would be copyrights violation. But, there are some exceptions. Copyrightes images may be uploaded to Wikipedia under fair use claim. This is very sensitive issue, and we have policy regarding this: WP:NFCCP. Screenshot of a video that is not your own work is certainly copyrighted, but the question is whether it may be used under fair use. There are 10 conditions that must be fulfilled in order to use copyrighted image under fair use claim (WP:NFCCP#Policy). The most important criteria is "no free equivalent". The question is not whether there is a free photo of that tournament, but whether there is a possibility to make a free photo. I don't know what kind pf tournament is it. If it is still organized (not cancelled), then there is a possibility to make a free photo, and fair use does not apply. Vanjagenije (talk) 13:48, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
@Vanjagenije:Thank you for the reply. It's a televised shogi tournament. The games are recorded in a studio of the Japan Broadcast Corporation (NHK) for broadcast at a later date. This is a closed studio so to the best of my knowledge there is no way for a member of the general public to take a photo of either the studio or of a game in progress. Not sure if that makes any difference. By the way, did you move my page? I'm curious as to why you did that. I wasn't asking anyone to do that I was just asking about the use of certain images/ screenshots. I am still working on it and was not quite finished. Is there any way you can put it back to where it was? Thanks Marchjuly (talk) 14:24, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
Thank you
DMRRT (talk) 14:22, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
I've moved it back for you. --David Biddulph (talk) 14:33, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
... or to be more accurate, I moved it to User:Marchjuly/sandbox/NHK Cup (Shogi), rather than to User/Marchjuly/sandbox/NHK Cup (Shogi) where it was before. --David Biddulph (talk) 14:37, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
@David Biddulph:Thank you so much. I'm not sure why that happened. Just an innocent misunderstanding. Thanks again. By the way, I think my question and DMRRT's one somehow got mixed in together by accident. Not sure how that happened as well. Marchjuly (talk) 14:49, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
Please note, I am not intentionally deleting anything. Someone keeps deleting my article and moving to another users account. I keep getting nasty comments not help.

DMRRT (talk) 18:06, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

Submit for review

Hi I updated my article in the Talk section. Is it being reviewed? Or do I need to submi t it somewhere else? Also, I have had a lot of friction and negative comments back from the editor. Is their anyway I can get someone else to help me?

Thanks DMRTT

DMRRT (talk) 14:10, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

Hi DMRRT, and welcome to the Teahouse! It's not currently submitted, click on the submit button when you want to. Before you do, I would advise you read this page about how to format references; and perhaps the ones under the How to improve your article[show] heading on the template I added. Best, Matty.007 14:14, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
You should also note that the email you have received from Miss Clark is not sufficient to allow you to use her text on Wikipedia; she would need to send an email to Wikipedia's permissions team using wording similar to that outlined at Declarations of consent. Yunshui 雲‍水 14:30, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
You asked Is it being reviewed? Or do I need to submi t it somewhere else? ". The reason that you didn't know what state it was in was that at least three times you had deleted the submission tags, despite having been told at least twice in edit summaries and at least once on your user talk page that you should not do so. You refer to having "had a lot of friction and negative comments back from the editor", but in fact TRPoD and other editors have been trying to help you, so you need to read what they say and take notice. You have been given useful advice at User talk:RCP110 and at User talk:DMRRT, so I would recommend that you take some time reading the links. --David Biddulph (talk) 17:06, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
Here is a link to the article Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Margaret Varnell Clark Theroadislong (talk) 18:02, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
Hi

Yes, I think somehow, my answer got mixed in with the question below. Please note, I am not intentionally deleting anything. Someone keeps deleting my article and moving to another users account.

So, at this point, is the current article good? Not good? What do we need to do?

DMRRT (talk) 18:17, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

Here is the link to my project page. The article has been deleted? Saying: Housekeeping and routine (non-controversial) cleanup)and no comments.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_creation/Margaret_Varnell_Clark

Please tell me where is my article and is it being reviewed?

DMRRT (talk) 18:25, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

DMRRT, your article is at Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Margaret Varnell Clark, where it should be. Also, please can you respond to my question on your talk page? Thanks, Matty.007 18:31, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
Thank you. This is very frustrating - sorry didn't see your question, that is someone I work with, who tried to help me with this.

DMRRT (talk) 18:42, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

Making request for proofreading

How does one request for a translated page to be proofread? I want it proofread before embarking on verification. I believe that is more logical. Thanks Emekadavid (talk) 09:34, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

Hi, assuming you're referring to Xenon monochloride, you can make a request at Peer Review for someone else to read through the article. Samwalton9 (talk) 15:16, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
Given the specialized subject matter, you could also try asking at Wikipedia:WikiProject Chemicals or Wikipedia:WikiProject Chemistry. - Arjayay (talk) 15:23, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
I believe I wanted a proofreader more than a peer reviewer. Maybe both are the same? The pages are translated from french. Thanks.Emekadavid (talk) 19:24, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
You may want the Guild of Copy Editors for proof reading. Best, Matty.007 19:29, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

what do this markup mean?

I am translating a scientific article and want to know what this markups mean? I think they markups meant to optimize search engines or something similar. {{unit:32:rd}} 100 the article in question is a french article. Emekadavid (talk) 09:05, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

I have found the answer: magic words. Where can I find the magic words for science, to be specific? Emekadavid (talk) 09:12, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
Hi, Emekadavid, and welcome to the Teahouse. I am not quite sure what are you talking about. If you are looking for Magic words to use in markup, they are here: Help:Magic words. Vanjagenije (talk) 13:35, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
The use of colon in your first code {{unit:32:rd}} makes it look like a magic word but it works neither here nor at the French Wikipedia. You didn't say which article it is but based on your contributions I guess it is fr:Chlorure de xénon. Your code doesn't appear there but it says {{unité|32|rd}}. It deviates in three ways from your posted code but I guess this is what you meant to write. With the pipes '|' and no colon it is not a magic word but a template. It calls the French template fr:Modèle:Unité. Wikipedia languages can have different guidelines and practices. See Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Dates and numbers for the English Wikipedia.
Your second code {{formatnum:100}} is explained at Help:Magic words and in more detail at mw:Help:Magic words#Formatting. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:37, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
You said what I already know. I wanted to write the magic words off hand and that was what occasioned the errors. I want magic words for specific fields like biology, chemistry or physics. I saw them often in the french article you referred to but it seems the french markup and english seem to differ somewhat. thanks Emekadavid (talk) 18:59, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
Magic words like {{formatnum:}} are part of the software that runs all Wikimedia projects. Magic words are in English but usually work at all Wikipedias (some magic words depend on an extension which may not be installed in all Wikipedias). If there are pipes '|' and no colons then it isn't magic words but templates. Each wiki makes their own templates on template pages like Template:Frac. The template code seen by clicking "Edit" or "View source" is made by the editors of that wiki and can be changed like any other wiki page, as "View history" shows. The template names and parameter names are usually in the language of the wiki, although some English templates are copied to other languages without changing names. You cannot use a template which is only defined at another wiki. The English Wikipedia has tens or hundreds of thousands of templates for all kinds of purposes. Some of them are for various formatting. Many of those are in Category:Wikipedia formatting and function templates. It's usually optional to use such templates. The French name for Template is Modèle as in fr:Modèle:Unité. Templates are written independently at different languages so there isn't always a template similar to one you know from another language, but if there is then there may be a link to it below "Languages" in the left pane. In the case of fr:Modèle:Unité, the "English" link oddly goes to Template:Infobox Fluss/Maß which may have something but not everything in common with the French template. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:52, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

Best practices for editing articles using sandboxes

What is the best way to edit a preexisting article using a sandbox? I assume that it is a bad idea to copy the article you want to change to your own sandbox, editing it and then pasting your changed article from your sandbox back to the original article page, so what is the best thing to do? Thanks RuthVancouver (talk) 21:42, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, RuthVancouver. I make minor edits to articles directly in the article. If I am adding a lengthy paragraph, or a new section, I will draft, reference and proofread the new material in a sandbox, and then copy and paste it to the right place when it looks right. But for reasons of attribution, don't cut and paste collaborative work by several editors. There is no "best" way. Some editors do complex expansions and modifications to articles right in article space and are very good at it. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 04:17, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
Welcome to the teahouse Ruth. As Cullen said there is no one right way but there is nothing per se wrong with taking an article, putting it in your sandbox, and then pasting a new version when you are ready. The way I usually do it is if I'm going to make a bunch of relatively small changes, e.g. to grammar, style, adding or editing sentences or refs here and there I prefer to do that directly on the article. That way the changes are each documented and reversible if someone wants to discuss a change. However, if I'm going to re-write the article, say I think it currently doesn't flow well, in that case there will probably be intermediate versions I don't want the world to see so I do that work in my Sandbox. There is a small chance someone else may edit the article while you have the old version in your sandbox but you can control that by making sure to watch the article as you are editing in your sandbox and in my experience any conflicts that do occur that way are fairly easy to resolve. MadScientistX11 (talk) 14:25, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
Thank you MadScientistX11 and Cullen328 for your very useful and clear answers. Extremely helpful! RuthVancouver (talk) 22:06, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

Bad page, 502 error message.

Hello, I'm brand new here. I was going through the getting started activities, and encountered the Bad page or 502 error message and wonder what that means. I don't seem to be able to open any new articles to work on. I had been scrolling through articles, and wonder if that caused it. I was trying to find an article that I knew something about. Thanks, Loving wikikpedia. Nettlepatch (talk) 22:34, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

Hey Nettlepatch, welcome to the Teahouse! After doing a little research, it seems that error 502 is primarily a server side issue. That is, your computer or internet connection likely had nothing to do with the error. Are you still getting the error?
If you have further technical questions, a better noticeboard to visit is WP:VP/T. Thanks, Ross HillTalk to me! 01:09, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

Image copyright?

I know there are probably a thousand questions like this already but I couldn't find one that answered my question. I want to update the main photo for Paula Abdul. The photo in use is a bit old. How exactly does copyright apply to this situation? I read the fair use guidelines but am still confused. I can't produce my own image to use freely in this context, so can I go on Google, find one I feel is representative, and use it? In my mind this seems fair use, but the fair use page doesn't quite seem to agree. Literally all the photos of celebrities seem to be copywriter images pulled form Google, however, so is there a specific protocol for use of copyrighted images of famous people in articles about said famous people? Peeteygirl (talk) 05:22, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

Hi Peeteygirl. We can't use a non-free copyrighted image if it's replaceable with a free image. In practice, this means that generally we can't use any fair use pictures of living persons at all, because the possibility always exists of obtaining a free one, i.e., even if we don't have an image now, one could be snapped tomorrow. This is an oversimplification but is the kernel of the issue. Even more clearly, if there is already one or more free images that are at all representative, as is the case with Paula Abdul, a claim of fair use would be invalid. Since there are multiple free images in the Paul Abdul article, no fair use image would be at all proper.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 05:42, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
Thank you so much. I'm off to creative commons! Peeteygirl (talk) 05:46, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

Cleanup

Wiki has informed me that an article I added to the Mangotsfield Uniuted F.C. page needs to be cleaned up as apparently a contributor has a close connection with it. What does these mean and what needs to be done to rectify this?94.174.49.7 (talk) 10:42, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

The article Mangotsfield United F.C. has been edited extensively recently, I assume you are User:Oaklandsraider but logged out? You have stated that you are "the historian for the football club" this means you have a conflict of interest. The article also has no references whatsoever. Theroadislong (talk) 13:02, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

Status template that works on the Simple English Wikipedia?

Is there a status template that works on the Simple English Wikipedia?207.255.184.104 (talk) 21:22, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

Hello, welcome to the Teahouse! The template messages page on the Simple English Wikipedia has a list of these templates for that encyclopedia. Keep in mind that these are separate from the ones here, and they may have different names even if they mean the same thing. --Anon126 (talk - contribs) 21:47, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
Thank you! 207.255.184.104 (talk) 13:23, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

Mangotsfield United F.C. - Fact File

Why has this been deleted as it is all my own work?Oaklandsraider (talk) 15:32, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

For one thing, fact files aren't usually encyclopedic. Beyond that, I'm guessing it was copyrighted. All Wikipedia content has to be under the CC-BY-SA. --Jakob (talk) 15:52, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

Acceptable external links?

Are links to individual university modules acceptable when they are relevant to a topic? For example, there is a module called The Medieval Tournament at the University of Leeds. It is most likely the first university course to deal exclusively with the history of the tournament. Would an external link to the webpage be a useful link, or is it too promotional? Many thanks Leedsmedievalist (talk) 16:11, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

Does the website provide the content of the course, or just information that the course exists (i.e. could someone look at the site and learn most of what the course teaches them without having to sign up to it, or is it just a prospectus page for the course itself). If the latter, it's almost certainly too promotional, since the reader isn't getting any extra information about the subject without paying for it. If the former, then it might be appropriate, but I'd ask on the talk page first. MChesterMC (talk) 16:25, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for the fast reply, there's a bit of info but it's more of a prospectus page for the course (http://www.leeds.ac.uk/ims/news/news_tournament_module.html), so too promotional in that case. I thought perhaps just the fact that the course now exists might count as 'extra information' on the topic, but that's probably a bit tenuous! Leedsmedievalist (talk) 16:38, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

Green Seal cleanup help

Hello,

I recently edited the Green Seal page and was flagged for violating Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy. I worked to clean up the language of the article and to add more references. I would really appreciate specific advice on how to make the page more adherent to Wikipedia's policies. Thank you.

GreeningConsumerismGreeningConsumerism (talk) 16:18, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

Hello, welcome to the Teahouse. I noticed the message Theroadislong left on your talk page. The message doesn't necessarily mean you actually violated Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy; it's just a reminder for you if you are affiliated with Green Seal. You seem to have made progress in improving the article, but if you still need help, you can look at the NPOV tutorial, which has some pointers organized into sections. You can also look at some "words to watch" that can introduce bias.
One last thing: You can make a link to any article on Wikipedia simply by putting the name in double brackets. For example: [[Green Seal]] gives Green Seal. This helps a lot!
Thank you for your contributions. Reply here if you need any more help. --Anon126 (talk - contribs) 17:56, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

Close my account

I find Wikipedia very difficult to navigate and articles are removed by other sources. There are pitfalls at every twist and corner and I simply cannot take anymore. Please tell me how I close my account and also the Mangotsfield United F.C. page.

I forwarded to you an email from Pitchero giving me permission to use any or all of its Mangotdfield United FC content. I have sought your permission to use this but you have not replied. Enough is enough!Oaklandsraider (talk) 13:49, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

@Oaklandsraider: The people who would be granting permission to use this content (we call them OTRS) are volunteers. It could take a while for them to respond. If you really want to do have the article deleted, though, you can add {{db-g7}} to the top of the article. We don't delete accounts, but you can just stop editing if you wish (and optionally add {{retired}} to the top of your user talk page). --Jakob (talk) 15:52, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
I don't think that adding {{db-g7}} would be appropriate here, as the article existed for many years before User:Oaklandsraider began editing it? Theroadislong (talk) 15:58, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
Oh, my mistake. I thought Oaklandsraider created it. --Jakob (talk) 16:00, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
The problem is not only that Oaklandsraider is copying whole parts of that website, he is also adding spam/advertising (where can you buy this of that) or adding irrelevant details (directions to the stadium). I think he just fails to understand that the needs of an encyclopaedia are different from a club-fanpage. The Banner talk 19:52, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

Why is Wikipedia so hard to navigate

I am grateful to 'The Red Pen Of Doom' and 'ParacusForward' for helping me with editing but wondering why Wikipedia is so complex and difficult to add to. I can cope with music data and file changes but find the symbols and language of Wiki and even locating this Teahouse difficult. When I am directed to a user guide page I am immediately overloaded by too much of this bewildering information. Am I alone with this difficulty?81.109.249.160 (talk) 09:27, 7 January 2014 (UTC) I have never used this symbol before. Why must I end with81.109.249.160 (talk) 09:27, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

Welcome to, well, not hell but a maze of diffulties. Years ago I groped my way through the maze and found rewarding experiences. Much of the difficulty comes from the crude design of Help:Wiki markup. In the 20th century, markup languages were hot stuff and anyone who wanted to work Internet was eagerly learning them. Since then, other participatory Web sites have found easier ways for users to write, but Wikimedia doesn't pay its coders (they work for free just like us editors) and technical modernization is slow and uncertain. Recent improvements such as a WYSIWYG editing system have turned into fiascos. The Help system is also poor, being in many parts designed by people who already know much, to help people who know only slightly less. Even a "Liquid Threads" system that would get rid of, for example, the need for four tildes for signature in pages like Teahouse, has not gone well. So, for now we just have to learn the current antiquated system. Fixing the Help system is perhaps a little more hopeful than fixing the underlying Wikimedia software. Jim.henderson (talk) 09:50, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
You might try taking a tour through the Wikipedia:Tutorial. It might help clear up some issues you are having difficulty with. Bookmarking the cheatsheet might also be useful. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 13:27, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
Kind of off topic but I just wanted to say a few words in praise of Wikipedia technology. I've worked in a lot of collaborative work environments. Every company I worked for used Lotus Notes. I've been on projects with their own Wikis, etc. I think in many ways Wikipedia is one of the best collaborative environments I've ever seen. Just the up time of the site is better than many commercial sites. And I LIKE the markup language, it's not as hard as HTML and once you get to know it it's highly productive. The techies get beaten up once in a while but I think they do an amazing job, I actually assumed they were paid employees, didn't know they were mostly volunteers as well which makes it even more amazing. Ok, enough rambling, time for four tildas: MadScientistX11 (talk) 13:52, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
Used to it, yes. Lightweight markup languages are easy if you know HTML and Lotus Notes. Problem is, our newbies mostly know Twitter, Facebook, E-mail. Few know more; some know less. Hooray for nerds; the world needs us but we're failing to serve most people who want to join. Jim.henderson (talk) 16:24, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
Well Twitter isn't entirely without markup - all that @ and # and #TeamThis and #TeamThat. Knowing how to use email properly at least teaches one to indent. And as for Facebook, it's legendary for not being simple or easy to use - at least as far as various iterations of its privacy settings maze are concerned, anyway. At the end of the day, if people really want to use something, they will. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 20:05, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

Creating a link within an article

I quoted the name of person as a source in an article and want to link that name to the wikipedia page about him. How is this done?

RO.Taranaki 222.152.69.126 (talk) 21:54, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

Simply enclose the name in doubled brackets, like so [[Name]]. Note that if the name you wanted to use was slightly different than the exact title of our article, say someone's name without their middle initial (and there was no redirect from the alternate name [though that should probably be created]) then you can pipe the name like so: [[Name here|what you want it to display as]]. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:02, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

I want ton create a page for an awesome new artist but its deleting

My name is Tilly Key, I am a singer, i do have a wikipedia page for many years. I am currently in the studio working with this artist / producer that had done a lot of work and has many followers, he is twitter verified, he has music videos out featuring the singer Future and No=icole Murphy (eddy murphy ex wife) he produces for Brooke Valentine and Melanie Fiona as well as many more artists. He is a famous personality out here in Hollywood and has a lot of fans. His songs has played on major radio stations. How do i get his page to be kept upend not deleted.

thank you in advance Subliminal Ent. (talk) 22:25, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

Hello, welcome to the Teahouse! I assume the artist in question is London Taylor. The article has been deleted and the request at articles for creation has been rejected because it doesn't show how this artist is notable. "Notable" on Wikipedia generally means that the subject has been discussed by independent, reliable sources. In the case of this artist, the sources might be newspaper or magazine articles. There are also other ways for a musician to be considered "notable". In short, once this artist gets big enough, then he can be on Wikipedia. If you can show that he's big enough now, you can add references to news, magazine, online, or other outside coverage. See how. I wish him the best of luck! --Anon126 (talk - contribs) 22:43, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

new pages on selected itemsWikiwedid (talk) 22:25, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

I'ld like to help on something I know, how can I be aware of new pages related to arts and architecture?Wikiwedid (talk) 22:25, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

Hello, welcome to the Teahouse! It sounds like you should join a WikiProject. A WikiProject is a community of editors who are knowledgeable in a certain area and collaborate to improve articles on that subject. It seems like WikiProject Arts is for you. But "art" is such a broad area that it has been split into many smaller WikiProjects, such as WikiProject Architecture. WikiProject Architecture has a section for articles that need improvement. They could use your help! --Anon126 (talk - contribs) 23:14, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

Why have my updates been deleted?

I spent one week updating the Wiki page for Mangotsfield United F.C. but am heartbroken to see that everything I have done has been deleted and replaced with the original Wiki page. Why is this?Oaklandsraider (talk) 09:31, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

Hi Oaklandsraider. Most of your additions appeared to have been copied from another site - this is a violation of that site's copyright, and is therefore illegal. If you want to expand an article, you will need to do so in your own words; Wikipedia cannot legally host content that is under copyright elsewhere. Yunshui 雲‍水 09:35, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
I am the historian for the football club and have been given permission by them to use any of the content from their website along with any images, none of which are copyrighted and many of them are my own work and were used by the club's web master. All of the playing records are my own work, again something that I gave the club permission to use of their website. The vast majority of the original work that used was of my own making and copied by the football club. I am at a loss to understand the breaches of copyright that you claim?Oaklandsraider (talk) 10:10, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
The claim was actually made by User:The Banner, although I do concur with his assessment, particularly regarding the History section. The copyright on the MUFC website is owned by Pitchero, with all rights reserved, so even if it was your original creation, we would still require either permission (and suitable licensing re-release) from a designated representative of Pitchero or proof that they originally copied your text before it could be used here. Unless a piece of text is released under a free licence such as CC-BY-SA, it cannot be used on Wikipedia. Please see the instructions on donating copyrighted material for more information. Yunshui 雲‍水 10:22, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
Have you received from me the authority to use all or any of the work contained on their Pitchero

web site for Mangotsfield United F.C.? Please confirm that you are happy for me to go ahead or better still for you to re-instate all the work you recently deleted due to alleged copyright violation?Oaklandsraider (talk) 20:48, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

Even with permission, you should realise that the requirements of an encyclopaedia are different from a club-website. For instance in tone and style. An encyclopaedic article should be neutral in tone and content. The Banner talk 23:59, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
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