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simplicity

Was an illusion created by elders or peers who knew the background story, it was always far more complicated sats 01:05, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of MTU Detroit Diesel Australia

A tag has been placed on MTU Detroit Diesel Australia, requesting that it be deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under two or more of the criteria for speedy deletion:

• It seems to be unambiguous advertising which only promotes a company, product, group, service or person and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become encyclopedic. (See section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion.) Please read Wikipedia:FAQ/Business for more information.
• It does not indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. (See section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion.)

If the page is deleted, and you wish to retrieve the deleted material for future reference or improvement, you can place a request here. 71.199.125.210 (talk) 15:46, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

observations

User:Good_Olfactory#Museum_of_Stuffed_Insults:_the_only_price_of_admission_is_not_complaining_to_me_on_my_talk_page_that_the_museum_exists A pleasure to see someone who enjoys a good insult. From another user: I think some people have the idea that "civility" means saying "fuck you" in 2000 words rather than in 2. jmcw (talk) 08:19, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

<contented sigh> A good laugh is excellent for getting fresh oxygen into the brain. I feel much better now, thank you. Pdfpdf (talk) 09:55, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

Pie floater

Why would you strike comments in an article? I've reverted. No comment on the merits, but that is an inappropriate method for dealing with contentious material. Dennis Brown | 2¢ | WER 14:08, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

• Why would you strike comments in an article? - Well, it seemed like a good idea at the time ...
• I've reverted. - Hmmmm. To borrow a phrase: "No comment on the merits" of your "solution".
• but that is an inappropriate method - Perhaps. As I said: "it seemed like a good idea at the time ... "
• for dealing with contentious material. - The material is not "contentious", it is fantasy based on someone's inadequate WP:OR.

Anyway, thanks for the note on my talk page. It caused me to review what I'd done, come to a conclusion not greatly different from the one you came to, go sharpen my secateurs, and prune out (rather than strike out) the rubbish. Both the article and I are indebted to you. Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 14:57, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

No problem. By "merits", I mean that I can't comment on the content due to my own ignorance of the topic. I don't know enough to make a judgement call as to whether the struck parts should have been deleted or not. I've never heard of the dish, which admittedly, didn't sound appetizing. If I knew more, I might have taken a chainsaw to it myself, but instead I just made sure you knew that I had to revert, so you could go trim as needed. Dennis Brown | 2¢ | WER 15:13, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

Oh ye of little faith! But then, even though millions of Britons go have a curry at the local Indian restaurant after a long evening at the pub, the thought of a curry on top of a stomach full of English beer actually sounds nauseating to me ... Never-the-less, after decades of reacting similarly to you, I "bit the bullet" and tried one. I was surprised to find that, on a cold winter's night, it was a tasty, filling and warming meal. (Sort-of like Pea & Ham soup in a way ... ) I have yet to have one (or want to have one) on a summer's evening, but now and then I have one in winter. (I think my average consumption is approximately 0.4 floaters-per-annum.)

I would have been astounded to discover that a lad who had not been south of the Tropic of Cancer knew anything about floaters, but yes your approach achieved your intended outcome. Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 15:42, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

Marbury School, Aldgate

I note that you wrote the article. Do you have any connection with the school? Do you know what happened to it? And the teachers? Tuntable (talk) 07:58, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

I note that you wrote the article. - You are too generous! I created the stub in September 2011.

User:Receptive added to the article, but the last activity from that account was 16 August 2012.

You, yourself, have probably added as much information to the page. (BTW: You haven't supplied any references to support your additions.)

It is probably worth leaving a note on User talk:Receptive - I don't guarantee that you'll get a response, but I can guarantee that you will not get a response if you don't ... Pdfpdf (talk) 15:23, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

Do you have any connection with the school? - Sorry, no. None at all. My personal interest is in the main building, and the people who have lived in it. Pdfpdf (talk) 15:23, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

Do you know what happened to it? - I assume you have read Marbury School 1971-2004: How did it start, why did it finish? In 2011, Google found me some other interesting reading, too. But other than that, no.

Good luck! Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 15:23, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

WP:AURD

Hi Pdfpdf, I noticed youve edited a fair few road articles recently, did you know there is a now a wikiproject focusing on Australian roads? We are always looking for new members, feel free to join us if you are interested :). -- Nbound (talk) 12:03, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks! Pdfpdf (talk) 11:52, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

E. H. Coombe

Brave and principled chap. I reckon his son Samuel Walter was set up by the Brits like Breaker Morant never was. National Archives link Doug butler (talk) 14:49, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

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AUS Naval Uniform

Hey, I saw one of you edit comment's that made me chuckle a little (Mark Tandy). Basically they are designed for when a sailor is at sea and they fall overboard, should either A) the fluro chemical packs carried by all waterborne sailors run out or B) they haven't for some reason got any, it can make it easier to be found at night. From my experience on my HMAS Newcastle voyage/very small deployment it would come in real handy should stuff go down. Nford24 (Want to have a chat?) 12:39, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the link; it has, at last, added some logic to the situation.

For months I've been making sarcastic comments to RAAF & Army guys (who've agreed with me), and occasionally Navy guys, (funny that - one never sees a woman in camo - or at least, I haven't), and I've heard the "in case they fall in the water" explanation several times, (and also the "when they're on the deck of an Aircraft Carrier", which is interesting, seeing that Oz hasn't had an Aircraft Carrier for decades ... ) but the section you've provided a link to says (amongst other things):

Before the uniform was introduced, there was some confusion as to why a disruptive pattern was used at all ... The primary reason for the use of the AUSCAM pattern is not to provide camouflage, but to align with the other services which use the distinctly Australian pattern, making personnel identifiable as Australian, and through the use of the littoral colours as naval personnel.

Suddenly, it's no longer a contradiction! In fact, it's almost sensible!! Thanks, Pdfpdf (talk) 14:15, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

The uniform is alright but its so easy to get hot in it, the old 9's were more comfortable and dressy.

OSM Civil rariant

Have a look at it - https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=602458699777258&set=pb.120343881322078.-2207520000.1376891115.&type=3&theater Nford24 (Want to have a chat?) 05:46, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

Greetings and... feedback appreciated

Greetings Pdfpdf. I've created List of French general officers (Peninsular War) and have had, ever since, the nagging feeling that it might really be generals officer (although I'm pretty sure it shouldn't be...). I remember seeing you had participated somewhere in some similar discussion and would appreciate your feedback at the corresponding talk page. Cheers, --Technopat (talk) 18:30, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

Feedback given. (Thanks for asking!) Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 11:41, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for feedback. In reply to your (low priority) note on my talk page, that's so I can be forgiven for not giving prompt replies. However, I just checked my preferences, and I see that my local time setting coincides with the server time (right now, that is). Whether that also coincides with summer time, springtime or bedtime, no idea. Cheers! --Technopat (talk) 12:30, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

(Not that it is a hard thing to do - my children do it to me all the time - but) you have totally confused me.

Yes, I understand the strategy for avoiding the requirement to reply RIGHT NOW. (In fact, it seems like a very good idea that, perhaps, I should consider.) But quite simply, I still have no idea what time zone you are in ... Pdfpdf (talk) 12:40, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

Greetings and... reply

Greetings again, Pdfpdf. Many thank-yous for your kind words: it all helps. In case you hadn't noticed, I've also set the ball rolling over at List of Portuguese general officers (Peninsular War) and List of Spanish general officers (Peninsular War) (but not going to start on List of British general officers (Peninsular War) until I feel I can take the underconstruction tags off the others). However, the three are mere complements and/or distractions to my real project: Chronology of events of the Peninsular War which is, I'm afraid, taking rather longer than I anticipated, and which reminds me: ravenous sons due home for lunch... gotta dash! Cheers! --Technopat (talk) 11:48, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Reply to rename Category:Rhodes scholars

Hi Pdfpdf,

Thank you for your message at my user talk page. As I have replied there, please see my user talk page, thank you.

Cheers,

QB --Qwerty Binary (talk) 14:23, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

Hi, I have replied at my user page (here). Regards, Qwerty Binary (talk) 16:46, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

Hi, I have replied at my user page (here). Thanks. --Qwerty Binary (talk) 03:49, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

Category:Recipients of the Bravery Medal (Australia)

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Ant

Yeah the bite can be fatal for some. As for the other thing, complete and utter baloney can be got away with there - it is true mushroom territory, it needs and has needed for over 5 years, reform. sats (talk) 12:58, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

not so easy my friend, that would indeed require a very long explanation off wiki, and there I woiuld rather remain. sorry. sats 13:23, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

a) Thanks. b) Oh well, "such is life". Pdfpdf (talk) 13:26, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

oh no, please dont start that, I do not under any circumstances wish to start a conversation about the nature of tattoos on Australian footballers stomachs sats 13:35, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

ROTFL! Pdfpdf (talk) 13:43, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

Good heavens. Why on earth not? (Rhetorical.) Pdfpdf (talk) 13:43, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

Category clutter

The overcategorization by awards is discoraged by WP:OC#Awards. But how is it at all helpful to have say Akihito with a wall of text listing of awards that make it hard to see the categories that truly define him?John Pack Lambert (talk) 14:04, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

John is correct, when there are 10 or 11 lines of categories, Pdfpdf, then none of them stand out. It becomes a big block of text. The question is....of all of the categories that could be used, which ones are selected? That is a judgment call. Wikipedia has guidelines but ultimately, the decision is reevaluated every time someone looks at the categories for an article. There is no Ten Commandments of Categories. Like everything else on Wikipedia, it evolves. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:16, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

Dear Liz, Thank you for your posting. I have never said that John was wrong. I have never disagreed that "when there are 10 or 11 lines of categories, then none of them stand out." (In fact, I have never expressed an opinion on either of those matters.)

(What I have done is ask John for an explanation/definition for the terms he is using, and pointers to the pages that describe the policies that support his opinions. He continues not to do this. Whether this is because he won't (and I can't imagine why he won't), or can't, I don't know - he doesn't explain himself.)

However, I do dispute your statement that he is "correct". He has a POV that he holds strongly (which he is completely entitled to do if he so wishes), yet he refuses to explain or discuss it.

With your statement "when there are 10 or 11 lines of categories, then none of them stand out", you are the first person who has made any attempt to describe what you (and I guess/deduce John also), see as a problem. (Thank you! And yes, I agree that "when there are 10 or 11 lines of categories, none of them stand out.")

But personally, I don't see this as a problem, or even an issue. Yes, my POV is different to yours.

(If you would like me to explain my POV to you, and you think that me explaining it will achieve something useful, I would be happy to do so. To date, no-one has asked me anything about my POV. With the notable exception of yourself, they have all been far to busy asserting that their POV is WP policy (without explaining which policy/policies), and imposing their POV on me without making any attempt to explain or justify it.)

The question is....of all of the categories that could be used, which ones are selected? - I agree that this is one question that could be asked, but I do not agree that this is the fundamental question or even a fundamental question. I certainly do not agree that this is the question.

My view is that: Whether or not this is a judgment call depends entirely on the fundamental reasons for having categories.

I hope that clarifies some things for you. Again, thank you very much for your posting. Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 08:34, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

When I'm not sure if this clarifies everything but you effectively express your point of view, Pdfpdf! This section is also probably what John is referring to (from Wikipedia:Overcategorization):

"However, not every verifiable fact (or the intersection of two or more such facts) in an article requires an associated category. For lengthy articles, this could potentially result in hundreds of categories, most of which aren't particularly relevant. This may also make it more difficult to find any particular category for a specific article. Such overcategorization is also known as 'category clutter'."

So this statement is a big part of it. Also, when an Editor is really active like John (I think he has over 200K edits), one starts to base decisions not only on guidelines but also on experience because one runs into similar situations all of the time.

I'm not saying that being an Editor is similar to being a doctor but I doubt that each time you see a physician, she looks up your symptoms in a medical reference text. Why not? Because she has probably dealt with many people with bad backs, sore throats, irritating rashes, trouble sleeping, sprained ankles, etc.. Yes, she could dig up a medical text to verify to the patient that she is basing her diagnosis on scientific information but she will normally come to her conclusion based on her education and her experience dealing with patients with similar ailments.

Like I said, I think John's basic assessment that category clutter is bad is appropriate and it's unfortunate if his explanation (or mine) doesn't addresses all of your concerns about this one case. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 17:49, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

Afterthought/questions

Why is it an issue whether or not categories "define" the subject of the article? They are called "categories", not "definitions". Perhaps foolishly, I have assumed that categories are there to categorise, not to define. Surely it is the role of the article to define the subject, not the role of the categories? Pdfpdf (talk) 08:34, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

I can't read the minds of the original authors of Wikipedia:Categorization (and all of the associated category guidelines), but I think that selecting those categories which are "defining" is a way to narrow down the number of categories to the most important. Theoretically, even an article of minor importance could have dozens and dozens of applicable categories and attributing them all could take up more space on the page than the body of the article itself. At this point, in order to make things manageable, a decision has to be made on what to include and what not to include and the powers that be chose one criteria to be that those categories that most define the subject of the article. For example, parenthood might be the most important aspect of a subject's life (as he or she assesses it) but we don't have hundreds of thousands of articles listed under a Mothers or Fathers category because this doesn't define an individual from others.

I will say that though, in practice, this guideline is not always observed. One example I'm running into (I'm categorizing male actors) is that every rapper who has had a cameo or bit part in a film seems to be placed in Category:American male film actors. Now considering that rappers are primarily musicians and many aren't know for their acting skills, this category is misapplied because it is a minor aspect of their lives. But fans of rappers want them to get credit for all aspects of their career and frequently add these categories on to their pages. So, there are guidelines (how things should work) and reality (how categories are actually used) and these two don't always mirror each other. Since there are over 4 million articles on the English Wikipedia, it's easy to find examples that contradict the guidelines....but when a dispute reaches a CfD discussion, guidelines take precedence over practice. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 18:07, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

An excellent example of where things are wrong with understanding categorisation (sic) have a look at the argument at: [1] - hope that links ok. well worth a read and why if one of the category usual suspects arive at the door, aikido methods are the best, make sure they go through the front door and leave by the rear door, check they have taken no possessions on them, and close both doors quietly after them. sats 03:03, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

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Wiki-abdication

I'm pissed off with the bigots and the narcissists who have no interest in any opinions other than their own. For the information of those people:

I really don't have any interest at all in your self-justifications, and I have even less interest in why you don't need to get consensus before you attempt to impose your bigotry on the rest of the world. Wikipedia has policies and procedures and etiquette. Familiarise yourself with them.

To normal people: If you post here, I'll receive an email notification, and will respond accordingly. Pdfpdf (talk) 11:40, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

Reply

Greetings Pdfpdf. Thanks for your note (I'll get back to that), but your "wiki-abdication" note above – temporary, I hope – requires a more urgent response. I don't know what's behind it, but I've seen too many "normal people" throw in the towel here for it not to affect me (or should that be the other way round?) and most of them actually chose to ignore my pleas for them to stay... However, from one relatively "normal" person to another, I'd just like to point out that, apart from the obvious majority of users who sincerely wish to participate constructively in this great project, Wikipedia does seem to attract the class of people (dare I say pathologies?) you refer to – it's one of the inevitable drawbacks of a system based on AGF and the technological impossibility of effectively blocking people who seem to take some sort of childish delight in gaming the system (they simply return later from a different connection). I can just picture them, sitting there at their keyboards, smirking, and sincerely believing they are superior in each 'n' every way to the rest of us mere mortals.

Although the direct and indirect damage they cause is disruptive, to say the least, they are clearly a minority – like the vandals who get a kick out of destroying things in the street – and, even when they resort to bullying tactics, are more to be pitied than censured. I suspect that over time, most of 'em will get bored here (do ot feed the trolls) and move on to some of the newer offers of entertainment out there in the form of social networks, where they can enjoy a more immediate response... those that don't somehow manage to stay the course and move on up to achieve admin status :) In the meantime, don't let 'em get your goat (link included in case you don't use that expression in your neck of the woods).

Back to your note. It does actually coincide with much of what I've just written above and, although I don't "need" your support, it's nice to know that it's out there :) Cheers! --Technopat (talk) 12:04, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

666

This user has been on Wikipedia for 17 years, 1 month and 8 days.

- Many thanks, Technopat, for drawing the 666 to my attention! Most appreciated! Pdfpdf (talk) 11:12, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

Well done mate. Keep 'em coming ! - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 11:28, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

hahaha sucker!! most people leave or stop editing in that space of time, there are usually only pathological cases who stay longer, hahaha, gurrgle, gurgle...(speaking for myself of course) satusuro 11:30, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

Well, well, devilishly good (or should I say evil?) wishes to you on this auspicious anniversary! Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 11:34, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

This entitles you to a well-earned Technopat on the back. BTW, turn those digits upside-down and here's to yer next point of no return: 999... Cheers! --Technopat (talk) 12:42, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

In memoriam

• User:Rodhullandemu
• User:Salaskan
• User:YellowMonkey

666!

As one of a highly select international group, you are hereby invited to join me in celebrating my 666! (Let the games begin!) Pdfpdf (talk) 11:17, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

I'll drink to that! Doug butler (talk) 01:19, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

Bloody hell. I just missed my 333. Perhaps I can have a belated 333 with your 666. It's sure to be twice as good. Rangasyd (talk) 12:03, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

At least! Pdfpdf (talk) 12:08, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

Category:Recipients of the Commendation for Brave Conduct (Australia)

Category:Recipients of the Commendation for Brave Conduct (Australia), which you created, has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. DexDor (talk) 05:06, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

666

This user has been on Wikipedia for 17 years, 1 month and 8 days.

- Many thanks, Technopat, for drawing the 666 to my attention! Most appreciated! Pdfpdf (talk) 11:12, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

Well done mate. Keep 'em coming ! - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 11:28, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

hahaha sucker!! most people leave or stop editing in that space of time, there are usually only pathological cases who stay longer, hahaha, gurrgle, gurgle...(speaking for myself of course) satusuro 11:30, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

Well, well, devilishly good (or should I say evil?) wishes to you on this auspicious anniversary! Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 11:34, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

This entitles you to a well-earned Technopat on the back. BTW, turn those digits upside-down and here's to yer next point of no return: 999... Cheers! --Technopat (talk) 12:42, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

wandering through the hugely useful set of items that might actually be of interest in triplicate, ɘ̯ɘ̯ɘ̯ does appeal, while the spanish usage of inverted question marks certainly appeals (hola!)¿¿¿ , and my late god father dead in crete might find ΨΨΨ, of some consolation, whikle my sometime sojourn in some dangerous countries suggests you might find ӢӢӢ in a falseeto voice more scintilating... or perhaps ششش - with the gutturals left in, trust you have the best of triplicity in all its wealth and magnificence satusuro 14:01, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

Congratulations, Pdfpdf, you spawn of Satan. Just kidding. Keep up the good work! ;-) Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 14:22, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

Well done! Congratulations! LadyofShalott 17:31, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

Congratulations on this infernal milestone. Perhaps an edit to Hades is in order? Adrian J. Hunter^{(talk•contribs)} 12:52, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

+1. Here's to your 7.7.7th anniversary etc - perhaps get working on Boeing 777 in anticipation? Bencherlite^Talk 12:54, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

Congratulations! That is a very cool achievement. :) - Bilby (talk) 01:57, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

Wikicountitis

I stumbled on to Wikicountitis and I was just wondering what tool you used to get some of this data, especially in Table 2. I see you are far up enough to be in the Top 5000 but some of the other columns are more elusive to me. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:44, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

Hi Liz! I'm sorry to destroy any remaining credibility I may have, (after all, T'ain't What You Do (It's the Way That You Do It)), but the process I use is rather mundane; Because I'm too embarrassed to have it visible to people not looking for it, I've documented it here.

(BTW: I found your current account's entry on this page: Rank=9856 #Edits=5,735.)

BTW2: I like this ubx:

This user is one of the 47,344,106 most active English Wikipedians of all time.

The template is: {{User MAWall}} 47,344,106 is {{NUMBEROFUSERS}}

See also: {{User MAW}} (MAW - Most Active Wikipedians)

Best wishes, Pdfpdf (talk) 15:18, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, Pdfpdf! I've only really been editing steadily since July so I'm surprised to be in the Top 10,000 (well, barely!). It doesn't include my 2500+ edits as another account but, hey, that's on me.

I hesitated to post about this on your main talk page as the information is placed back on a subpage. But I really wanted to figure out how you obtained those rankings! I should have looked at the page source but I actually thought you used a tool from Toolserver. Thanks for the reply! Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 15:59, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

but I actually thought you used a tool from Toolserver. - Yes. Exactly! An entirely reasonable assumption. (Hence my embarrassment to admit such a boring mundane process. Well, the cat's out of the bag now!) Pdfpdf (talk) 16:07, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

not sure which cat and where, but various counters have various personalities and thus come to different deicisions about presence on this goldfishbowl. satusuro 16:21, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

Yes. "Funny that". Were I in the mood, I'd embark on a conversation regarding "alternate"/"alternative" realities. Pdfpdf (talk) 12:10, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

Psst

Editing User:Pdfpdf/"The Process". You put this in mainspace. Ishdarian 13:32, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

Don't know the difference between my armpit and my elbow?

MANY thanks!! (Most appreciated!) Pdfpdf (talk) 13:49, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

Ha, no worries, Pdfpdf! It looked like a simple error, but I didn't want to just go in and move stuff into your userspace. Ishdarian 13:54, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

Ahhh. Your impeccable manners are only exceeded by your good looks and sparkling personality. (I guess I owe you a beer.) Again, thanks, Pdfpdf (talk) 13:59, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

Oh stop you; you're making me blush. Ishdarian 14:01, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

ROTFL! (Now that I would like to see!) Pdfpdf (talk) 14:05, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Timothy Britten

Based on your recent participation at the deletion discussion for Category:Recipients of the Cross of Valour (Australia). I was wondering if you might not participate in this deletion discussion on a CV recipient? Thanks. EricSerge (talk) 16:54, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the "Heads up". I've replied on your talk page. Pdfpdf (talk) 17:14, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

Category:Honorary Fellows of the Australian Institute of Building

Category:Honorary Fellows of the Australian Institute of Building, which you created, has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. DexDor (talk) 04:30, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

AN3

Hello Pdfpdf. Please see my recommendation at AN3 that no sanction be imposed if you will agree to wait for consensus before editing Six-star rank again. You can respond there if you wish. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 16:12, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

The AN3 complaint at WP:AN3#User:Pdfpdf reported by User:DrKiernan (Result: Warned) has been closed with a warning to you. If you make any further edits on the topic of the six-star rank without first getting consensus it may lead to an immediate block. This warning is in lieu of an immediate 48-hour block, which was the action recommended by another admin. Thank you, EdJohnston (talk) 17:24, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

And Thank you to you! Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 10:54, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

October 2013

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Deletion discussion about Sortable list of Attorneys-General of Australia

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bah

lotsa more from where that came from... piece of chips my friend satusuro 12:54, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

nope - procrastiunation is the key - as the late douglas adams used to say he loved the sound of the deadlines as they whooshed by... :(

problem is I dont think I'll live long enough to catch up with what I wanted to do 40 years ago before I move on... satusuro 13:11, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

Sadly, my friend, you are not alone in coming to that conclusion ... Pdfpdf (talk) 13:15, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

(P.S. Bedtime here. Goodnight.) Pdfpdf (talk) 13:15, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

{{you have mail}} satusuro 12:01, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

Greetings and...

Greetings Pdfpdf. Just popped in at Seal Island (Augusta, Western Australia) and am a bit perplexed by the sentence "It is also an excellent reference...". As I'm feeling a bit dense right now – it's been p...ing down all morning here and I got soaked – can't quite get what's wrong with it & am therefore not up to tweaking it, so maybe you could have/take a butcher's at it. Cheers! --Technopat (talk) 09:08, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

Any and all improvements encouraged! Pdfpdf (talk) 05:22, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

like any idiot cartophiliac in 2006

I went and brought a paper based map pair of sheets of the archipleago :) satusuro 13:19, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

no idea where they are now though... satusuro 13:27, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

Several months ago I came across a roll of maps that had been "very useful" a decade or so ago. After a decade of knowing exactly where they were, I must admit that I now don't remember what I did with them! (Hopefully, I put them back where I found them ... ) Pdfpdf (talk) 13:35, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

i never do that. google montbello marine park, youll get a pdf (sic, or should that be hic) and the more significant named p;arts of the island group are identified, b ut like all good pamphlets, it is confusing... take care... satusuro 13:41, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

dumb

islands of the goldfields esperance... dumb... try looking for the coastline of wa art - viz - Coastal regions of Western Australia - the imagination could get fired there and not goldfields esperance - just a rude suggestion :)

if that doesnt seem rude enough try consider the lillies South_Coast_Western_Australia - perhaps consider the bremer bay trench [2] - I strongly suggest a speedy non controversial emptying of the goldfields esperance crap to esperance coast? consider the alcohol - perhaps the southern coast should be southern coast from windy harbour to bremer bay (yay the white shark, the white shark) and east of there to esperance the esperance coast, and further east Eucla coast - then it would at least 'fit (ah again)' the weather report nomenclature at least, but please anything but the goldfields that denies the labour that went into the coast regions article, the sweat, the gore, the blood, etc etc. consider the sandgroper in all its glory (the white shark, the white shark... of south australia in the last minutes of the programme) and the crow eater in its munificence... in view of the productivity of the bremer bay trench, it all requires something other than goldfields esperance. please consider the environment, and oceanic trenches, and the hydrocarbons... thank you...

the more i look at it in this blistering evening heat of perth, south west, albany, esperance, and eucla coasts as in the BOM distinction should be sub categories of the southern coast - which would be all the more easy for the users/readers to get a handle,

trust all that makes sense... please feel free to foist some pirate flag and shiver the timbers if in fact the idea needs tweaking... satusuro 14:08, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

Sorry sunshine, but this crow-eater seems to be having problems with the sand-groaper dialect.

Further, I naïvely assumed that you Westerners had your act together and had ONE "universal" system of regions. (Silly me! Why should you be different from anyone else?)

I was drawing a one-to-one relationship between the nine (+Perth) RDCA regions and ten "Islands of the [RDCA region]" categories. I think I've determined that your generally unintelligible reply implies that this was a VERY (OK - VERY) naïve assumption! (No, I don't understand your unintelligible reply!!)

So, given that you are "The venerable and revered grey-beard" of the subject matter area, PLEASE have a look at Category:Islands of Western Australia and think about a set of categorisations that DOES cover the islands.

Then, perhaps, you can add a section to Regions of Western Australia that poor ignorant foreigners like me can understand?

(BTW: In case there's still some ambiguity, I'm not in the least offended by those bits of your response that I can understand (nor those bits I can't) and it appears to me that you've given me licence to be equally scathing in my response, these factors being fundamental in our mutual enjoyment of our communications. And as an aside, isn't it a shame that I feel I need to add this section in case some (talk page stalker) gets offended, because I know you aren't, and you know I'm not.)

So, who do you fancy in the cup tomorrow? Pdfpdf (talk) 12:49, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

stuffed if i know, the odds are really odd... satusuro 13:07, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

aaahhh

nice to see i get a prize of some sort Regions of Western Australia - roll on the glowering edit summaries, oh frabjuous joy... satusuro 12:27, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

also please note https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_islands_of_Australia satusuro 12:33, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

If indeed you are on a mission from... whoever, when i created the regions of wa article the term was indeed unconciously lifted from exposure to [3] - clearly you are not a current public servant in the feds with your enthusiasms, they did it before me :) ... I think you might have your work cut out for you for a while... satusuro 12:47, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

I think you might have your work cut out for you for a while...

ROTFL!!! Ah ha. Now tell me something I don't know! Pdfpdf (talk) 12:52, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

ie - regionalisations is a common bureaucratic usage - as i was the main editor on the regions article, the worst grammar in six years? nah i cannot handle the compliment, try some thing more salacious... but offline, the talk page police might think we are up to no good ... satusuro 13:05, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

"regionalisations" is a common bureaucratic usage - Yeah? Really? Where (outside of the US and WA) is it "common"? Pdfpdf (talk) 13:18, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

nah come on, a mission to remove it from wikipedia would take the mickey out of mouse, zappa out of frank, lou out of reed, nah try some other thing like, one star from elsewhere - stupdi tyops - threre are milyons ion this damned goldfishboul... and really challenged ones from the big place north of here - nglish becomes a totally knew sphere :) satusuro 13:24, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

Huh?

also please note http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_islands_of_Australia

Ummmm. Errrr. What is it that I should find of obvious note? Pdfpdf (talk) 12:57, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

you said it - i prodded it, so... satusuro 13:05, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, you've lost me. (i.e. Don't understand.)

ANYWAY (have a Winfield) it's midnight here. Toodle-pip! Pdfpdf (talk) 13:21, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

pip pip pip... this is the bbc... goodnight satusuro 13:25, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

ok

too many hats, too many pies, too many fingers. too many threads. will revert self, and I am simply open to suggestions, not the final arbiter at all... wp experience is indeed one that should be bob hawke about this.. seeking consensus. no one owns anything here. my initial message was somewhat brusque, if not obscure. apologies. will try to offer some solutions on the talk page of the coadst regions within 4 days ( i have to help a man fight a fire tommorow tonight will not be on wp at all wednesday night) - as always there is no deadline on wp, but i am offering one. sleep well satusuro 13:49, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

In response:

• too many hats, too many pies, too many fingers. too many threads. - Ah ha. So you're a semi-normal person living in a Western-style Christian-style Capitalist Democratic society. Yeah. You, me, and 20 million other Australians ...
• will revert self - Why? I assume you saw a problem and addressed it. (Yes?) If you now feel you have a better solution, great! Please implement it. Otherwise, what was the problem, and what's the best way to address it?
• and I am simply ... - Give me a break! I already KNOW you have more personality than this "pc-like-response" implies.
• my initial message was somewhat brusque, if not obscure. apologies.
  • Given that it's you, "brusque" doesn't bother me.
  • "Obscure"? Well, yes, but I know you're capable of explaining yourself more clearly and, if/when necessary, will do so.
  • "apologies" Thanks, but not necessary.
• will try to offer some solutions on the talk page of the coadst regions - a) Good. b) That's what I am/was looking for. c) Your response is slightly ambiguous - when you've done it, please post a link here to your thoughts so I don't have to go looking for them. (Thanks in advance.)
• i have to help a man fight a fire tommorow - Ouch! (I hope it went well.)
• as always there is no deadline on wp - Agree.
• but i am offering one - Thanks, but not necessary. I have no doubt you'll "rattle my cage" when there's something for me to respond to.

Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 10:45, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

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in a few minutes or so, satusuro 11:44, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

possible solution

whether to ignore IMCRA or not. whether it can be utilised, in its 3 d - ness, or not. It might solve everything, or not. satusuro 12:10, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

Hopefully, you're the expert and have the answer to these questions, and the solution to these problems. Pdfpdf (talk) 12:16, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

(Who was it that said I was a cynical bastard and grumpy old man? Obviously, I'm an optimist!!)

Capitalisation of text that matches the article title

Regarding your edit and my reversion, as well as the example in my edit summary, see the first example in MOS:BOLDTITLE. Mitch Ames (talk) 13:50, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

Bravery vs Wisdom vs Experience?

you are braver than I gunga din going into milhist bio territory, trust the blunderbus is at hand, dont forget the honorific horrific mos stuff satusuro 13:27, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

Maybe. I've been there many, many hundreds of times before - they are used to me being a nuisance! Pdfpdf (talk) 13:34, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

:) - I mean I dont even have my moustache anymore (being movember and everything) - I have been to cape leeuwin last weekend, some more piccies for adjacent rocks and islands... still need to fiddle a bit more though... satusuro 13:38, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

Well, I won't be around much till the new year - except when procrastinating! Pdfpdf (talk) 13:47, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

well take it easy, have a safe festive season and dont disappear altogether... satusuro 14:04, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

hahahaha - etc, try sorting through photo issues on commons, and you understand how paint drying can be thrilling and exciting and drasmatic :) satusuro 11:59, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

Amazing! That's the SECOND time today that watching paint dry has been identified as a MUCH superior option to the available alternatives!! Pdfpdf (talk) 12:22, 28 November 2013 (UTC) To clarify, the alternatives were attendance at a number of (truly exciting, cough cough) meetings ...

December 2013

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Blowing hot and cold

...on my talk page. Maybe a break would help? Widefox; talk 02:41, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

Potential sockpuppet of Levineps

Recently, User:Oriole85 (contribs) has been sporadically popping up on my watchlist for category-related changes. A lot of new users do that, so it wasn't a particularly noteworthy thing for me. But then he kept showing up with a higher frequency, oftentimes making (what I thought to be) completely unnecessary over-categorizations to articles. I've been on Wikipedia long enough to know that User:Levineps (contribs) is one of the most notorious over-categorizers we've ever seen (and has the community sanctions, block records, and bans to show for it). So, I did about two minutes' worth of research and discovered that Oriole85's account was created / his edits began on November 5, 2013. When was the last edit by Levineps? November 4, 2013. That is not a coincidence IMO. I don't have (a) the time right now, nor (b) the motivation to formally open an SPI, but I'm hoping that one of the many people I'm notifying about this does. If you're wondering why you're being pinged about this, it's because I saw where you were one of the people who has left messages on Levineps' talk page at some point regarding his inappropriate editing. So now, in addition to all of the aforementioned issues with Levineps, it looks like a probably sockpuppet to throw into the mix. Jrcla2 (talk) 05:30, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

Thomas Hiley

I seem to have found something that simply confuses the hell out of me. Thomas Hiley is an article i am working on at the momenet, he was knighted in 1966 by Elizabeth II as a KBE for services as Deputy Premier of Queensland, however i cannot find any reference to him being deputy premier. checkout link for refs.

Australian Army Ranks

Hey, so I was looking through the Australian Army website and would seem either the rank of Second Lieutenant has been disbanded or they have decided to neglect it on their site - http://www.army.gov.au/Who-we-are/Ranks/Officer-Ranks Regards and Merry Christmas Nford24 (Want to have a chat?) 05:51, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

How bizarre! Pdfpdf (talk) 12:55, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

Season's Greetings

Merry Xmas!

Best wishes for a great Christmas, and for a happy, healthy and prosperous 2014! Pdfpdf (talk) 13:06, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

Indeed to you and all yours and may your new year be bountiful and with trumpets (or bassoons if your prefer) satusuro 13:40, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

Yuletide felicitations to you too. -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 20:51, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

Most appreciated. Best wishes to you and your family.Doug butler (talk) 21:01, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

Glad Tidings and all that ...

FWiW Bzuk (talk) 20:39, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

Happy new year!

Per the above. :) I hope you have a wonderful new year! - Bilby (talk) 13:55, 31 December 2013 (UTC)