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Scout troop article

I read it over and enjoyed it. Well done. I didn't see any issues, and I looked too!--Wehwalt (talk) 17:43, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

Why thank you for the review. It must be in good shape if you didn't find issues. I'm going to give it some final looks.PumpkinSky talk 22:19, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

I did not really try to focus on the prose, so you might want to check that. No problem.--Wehwalt (talk) 22:52, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

I tweaked a word here and there. — Ched :  ?  23:29, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

2 questions

1. on the mounted troops article - see talk page
2. do you have JSTOR access?

thanks. — Ched :  ?  23:28, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

1-will do now, 2-no, someone sent me the JSTOR PDFs. PumpkinSky talk 23:43, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

I have JStor if anyone needs something verified. MBisanz ^talk 00:57, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

Thank you.PumpkinSky talk 01:25, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Easter egg tree

Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:34, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

Excellent! It's also featured on Portal:Germany. If you have more DYK related to Germany, please feel free to add it there yourself. - Different topic: do you know enough about Too Young the Hero to see if a recent change makes sense? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:09, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

Don't see the sense of the one made today.PumpkinSky talk 18:58, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

Put your eggs in this nest ;) and Heck in a user page, please. I found the following three comments on my talk, you deserve them, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:40, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

• Wow, that tree!!!♦ Dr. Blofeld 10:30, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
• Excellent work - congratulations! :-) --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 13:53, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
• The Easter Egg tree is particularly lovely. Nice work. Khazar2 (talk) 14:06, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

Parking lot mother Canada Goose

I thought this was really interesting, a nesting goose in a parking lot, so I took the photo. The two parking spots beside her have been marked off. Parts of two eggs are visible near her rump.PumpkinSky talk 23:34, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

That's pretty awesome! :D Jesse V. (talk) 06:45, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

Go mama goose! Montanabw^(talk) 17:48, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

Goslings hatched last night or this am as this afternoon mom and babies were gone. Not sure if they were on walk and coming back or if they moved permanently.PumpkinSky talk 20:14, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

Looking for water maybe.... and wonder where the poppa is. Canada Geese mate for life, and don't take new mates even if one or the other is killed. Thanks for the great photo.(olive (talk) 20:24, 20 April 2012 (UTC))

Glad you like it. Haven't seen the dad at all. I should start a blog "the parking lot geese".PumpkinSky talk 20:27, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

Today I saw the dad and one gosling walking in the parking lot with mom. Two eggs hatched so something happened to one gosling, sadly. Mom builds a nest in this spot every year.PumpkinSky talk 11:34, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. Its a nice story.(olive (talk) 05:09, 25 April 2012 (UTC))

Thanks

Thanks for the talk page vigilance. The one day this month I try to log off and get some non-wiki stuff done, and a vandal stops by. Figures! 28bytes (talk) 21:38, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

No problem! And naturally it happened on your "day off". PumpkinSky talk 21:50, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

Hey

Glad you're back. ;) Acalamari 10:32, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

HI! And thank you. Great to hear from you.PumpkinSky talk 10:45, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

I gave a curosry welcome last week, but it's now been over a week and nothing has happened... and is very unlikely to happen now... the hounds were not unleashed, plagues did not strike, and more amazingly, the Wiki did not break! I'm glad that you are back and I'm estatic that your return was not mired by similar mayhem that occurred in February... Anyways, glad to have you back. Even with the mistakes of the past, you are (and were) a highly valued contributor.---Balloonman ^{Poppa Balloon} 13:30, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

Why thank you B-man. Very kind of you.PumpkinSky talk 21:38, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

I always knew you'd come back ;) -- œ^™ 00:44, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

;-) PumpkinSky talk 00:50, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Mounted Boy Scout Troop 290

Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:06, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

Das Millionenspiel

Started, roughly. Needs a lot of checking.♦ Dr. Blofeld 21:11, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

Earl Old Person

Hey Pumpkin Sky,

I would like to know why you erased the recent editing of Earl Old Person? The information on him was well sourced, researched and that person spent a great deal of time finding all those facts. What gives you the right to delete that person's hard work?

FirmaVeritas — Preceding unsigned comment added by FirmaVeritas (talk • contribs) 16:59, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

It was a different editor who reverted the recent editing of the article, not PumpkinSky. The reason for the revert appears to be that the editor added a lot of unencyclopedic material, some of which was unsourced. While some of the material may be useful, the subject of the article is a living person, and the wikipedia policies of WP:BLP need to be followed (verifiable sources for all potentially controversial claims, neutral tone, etc.) Any editor has the right to edit wikipedia, and the guidelines at WP:MOS outline why some edits are reverted by others. I hope this helps you understand. Montanabw^(talk) 17:57, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

Definitely not me. My only edit to that was in August 2011.PumpkinSky talk 21:05, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

FV---Pumpkin Sky didn't make the reversion in question. Nawlinwiki did. You probably saw the summary:

NawlinWiki (talk | contribs | block)‎ m . . (2,840 bytes) (-5,852)‎ . . (Reverted edits by SPM17 (talk) to last version by PumpkinSky) (rollback | undo)

And saw the last part "To last version by PumpkinSky" and thought that he made the change. But it was really Nawlin, who made the change reverting it back to the last edit made by PS.---Balloonman ^{Poppa Balloon} 21:32, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

I apologize, I thought it was you, but those later have cleared the air. No hard feelings I hope. The work that was deleted was for a college project that my friend worked very hard on to research and post on wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by FirmaVeritas (talk • contribs) 02:22, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

No worries. And thanks to the other users for helping out.PumpkinSky talk 02:29, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

MfD

re: this. Hey - what if I say I'll edit for only $19.95 per edit? SAVE SAVE SAVE - BUY NOW!, if only I had a good PR/pitchman. lol. And I figure that even at a lowly $1/edit - that's a mighty nice 100 and some thousand dollar check you ought to have coming. :-) — Ched :  ?  06:12, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

It is an interesting issue. If it works out that's pretty awesome for him, he just has to be careful about neutrality because there seems to be a bit of a firestorm erupting around him right now. Meanwhile all that the rest of us get is bragging rights. You can be all like "hey guys check out this cool Wikipedia article! It's on Yogo sapphire. I wrote most all of this whole thing!" That's got to count for something. :D Jesse V. (talk) 07:07, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

Yogo

I'm tweaking the lead to parallel the text. In doing so, saw a couple small fixes: Montanabw^(talk) 19:01, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

1. When were Yogo Sapphires first found? 1878 or 1894? (lead said 1865 but wasn't supported anywhere in text) Discovery section is inconsistent: "During the Montana Gold Rush of 1878, about a thousand miners came to Yogo Creek, which was one of the gold-bearing streams in Montana not yet actively mined. The mining camp at Yogo City flourished for about three years, but only bits of gold and "blue pebbles" were found....Nonetheless, sapphire mining at Yogo Gulch began when someone finally investigated the nature of the "blue pebbles" that had been noticed since 1894 along with gold in the streambed alluvium."
2. I'm still fuzzy on the ownership sequence of the two mines. Did the American mine claims ultimately get bought out by the English mine interests? Is this correct?
3. English Mine: Jim Ettien-->Jake Hoover-->Hoover's two partners-->New Mine Sapphire Syndicate(1899)-->Charles Gadsden/English Mine (was this still New Mine Sapphire Syndicate/English Syndicate?) -->Yogo Sapphire Mining Corporation/New Mine Sapphire Syndicate (American Syndicate) -->Siskon, Inc. (& Arnold Baron lease)-->Herman Yaras Sapphire Village -->Chikara Kunisaki/Sapphire International Corporation/Roncor -->Victor di Suvero/Sapphire-Yogo Mines -->American Yogo Sapphire Limited/Intergem -->Roncor (again) (leases to AMAX Exploration/Yogo Sapphire Project-->Pacific Cascade Sapphires) --> Mine defunct and unmined since 2001 when Pacific Cascade lease ended ???
4. AMERICAN MINE: Burke & Sweeney's "Fourth of July" claim-->American Gem Syndicate-->American Sapphire Company-->Yogo American Sapphire Company--> New Mine Sapphire Syndicate (1914: this is where I get confused, is this the same bunch that owned the English Mine? Did they own BOTH? Was ownership unified from 1914 on?)
5. VORTEX MINE: Perry and Ridgeway/Vortex mine/Yogo Creek Mining -->Michael Duane Roberts (d. 2012)
6. Who owns Sapphire Village? ""As of 2011, there was also mining activity at Sapphire Village, though the Roncor mines remained inactive." I thought Roncor owned it??

it does get confusing with the multiple mines, owners, etc; I have trouble following it myself...

1. the first montana/US sapphires (not Yogo) were found in 1865 - from U. of Texas. Yogos were first found 1878 but their value wasn't noticed at the time so it's a kind of "non-discovery"; that wasn't until Hoover in 1894; hence all the confusion
2. Two key parts here that could/should be worked in: On pages 95-96, Voynick says "Charles and Maude Gadsden journeyed to London in the spring of 1914 to persuade the Syndicate to acquire the American Mine. (Syndicate argues...Gadsden convinces them on the bargain price and eliminating competition...)...Two months later, he carried with him the funds to purchase the American Mine. In May 1914, the New Mine Sapphire Syndicate acquired all the assets of the Yogo American Sapphire Company, and thus ownership and control of the entire known length of the Yogo dike." (see the sentence just before the 1940s-1970s section). On page 207, Voynick says "...all that remains of the American Mine, later the Kunisaki Tunnel, is the locked portal. This was also the site of the Intergem washing plant, still standing are the cluster of maintenance sheds alongside the weathering heaps and tailings ponds." Keep in mind this "American" site has never been as profitable as the others (English and Vortex).
3. As far as I know/can figure out (WE NEED A FLOW CHART!). Note Vortex was at a third site, not at either the American nor English site.
4. See answer 2. that should clear this up.
5. Yep.
6. Sapphire Village is a housing development where people get to rockhound with hand tools. Kunisaki, an original lot owner of Sapphire Village, bought them out when Sapphire Village INC failed after just 4 years. His company was named Sapphire International Corporation, which got renamed to Roncor. The Vortex and English Mines are different from Sapphire Village. The Village isn't a mine per se. Does this help?

I think it best you tweak this as needed, rather than I.PumpkinSky talk 22:30, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

Okie Dokey. I'll tweak, but can you verify sourcing and fix any errors? Montanabw^(talk) 15:32, 1 May 2012 (UTC) Follow up See my changes and make sure I got it right. I am still fuzzy about Sapphire Village, which sometimes shows up on Google maps and sometimes doesn't. I get that the idea was a subdivision or something, not a mine. Either way, not sure if anyone lives there now? (If I had the time -- which I don't at the moment -- I'm tempted to drive over there, but at a minimum it would be an overnight or two to get there, find the dirt road, locate stuff, etc...). Last but not least, i do need to find that Blackfeet dictionary that's in a library in town, somewhere, and figure out if Yogo is a Blackfeet word, which I highly doubt. Montanabw^(talk) 17:19, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

I think we're close to wrapping up. If you can look at that dictionary and settle that issue, that'd be great. The sapphire village ref says "material is produced by individuals from privately owned lots in Sapphire Village". It doesn't say if people still live there. PumpkinSky talk 20:08, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

Horst von der Goltz page translation

Many thanks for the yeoman work on the German => English translation, which makes the English version of this article so much more useful. Your efforts are emblematic of Wiki is all about. I'm sorry I only have an 'attaboy' (or 'attagirl' as is appropriate). User:Natty10000 ^{[Stop me before I edit again!]} 11:58, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

Thank you, no problem and glad you enjoy it. PumpkinSky talk 15:13, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

Eagle's Store

There's a bot that goes around and looks at new articles to figure out which ones are likely to come under the WP:NRHP purview. It checks for specific phrases; features of this article such as multiple occurrences of "National Register of Historic Places" and {{Infobox NRHP}} mean that the bot will certainly pick it up. Pages that the bot catches are listed on a page for the NRHP project, so you don't need to do anything. Thanks for checking! Nyttend (talk) 00:48, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

Holy crap it's you! (was Sorry)

Between the start of the school year and the Golden Week Venture camp, you got lost in the shuffle. Didn't mean to. Yeah, still here in Japan.--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 09:10, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

Holy crap it's you! I just got that! Welcome back brother! You've been missed! Did you get my e-mails? Used the Thai emblem in a wide game last night!

The archiving bit made me go check-Japan being the land of tech, the leaders here make fun of me for my lack of skill. I can manage graphics, but noting with code or math.--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 10:58, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

I'll archive for you. I haven't gotten an email from you in a long time. I posted on Gadget's page but he ignored me. PumpkinSky talk 11:01, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

Last one I found in my mail to you was July last. I get the same from him, no reply. Happy you reminded me today to write you back, should have figured coastal Virginia out.--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 11:11, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

ps-thanks for the archive!--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 11:30, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Horst von der Goltz

Panyd^{The muffin is not subtle} 00:03, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

Danke, and I translated that one! PumpkinSky talk 00:07, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

Stefanie Rabatsch

I agree, there are obvious defects in the way the refs have been written up (and one that requires a search of the Spiegel archives to see what it actually is - and I see mention in the Daily Mail of the Kershaw bio, that should have been followed up on), but not only that, there's at least one unreferenced paragraph and a chunk plagiarised from the Daily Mail article. And I don't see where the hook fact is actually stated, let alone referenced. Going to pull the stop handle at the nomination, but I have to go to work soon so I can't start helping the author by fixing it up. Yngvadottir (talk) 04:12, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

I'll post on it if you haven't already. Also, You can respond on your talk page as I have a watch there.PumpkinSky talk 10:12, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

OK, I have done an initial fix from work. There are still things in the article whose source I am unsure of, partly because there have been at least 2 documentaries - Der Spiegel is referring to an earlier one and the one the article already referred to has the same title as Klopp's book - and the various redactions of Kubizek's book include an English translation, which is what the Daily Mail is presumably quoting (I'm seeing hacked-up punctuation marks but presuming quote marks as well as commas). Also it seems it should be moved to Stefamie, which is what even the Daily Mail calls her; the Stephanie spelling hampered my search at first. I'm at work using little bits of break time so I haven't yet tried to access the books on Google Books in order to see if I can get specific pages, and I haven't touched the hook sentence. But Der Spiegel says she denied even knowing he loved her, so the facts may need to be adjusted a bit. Will report at the nom page now if all stays quiet here. --Yngvadottir (talk) 12:48, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

. . . and I think I'm done (although I have not searched for additional sources except checking the various bios of Hitler by Kershaw). Reporting at the nomination page and suggesting an alternate hook. Yngvadottir (talk) 16:44, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Bozeman National Fish Hatchery

Hello! Your submission of Bozeman National Fish Hatchery at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! LauraHale (talk) 06:25, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Dieter Thomas Heck

Casliber (talk · contribs) 16:02, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

Admin review comment

Hi PumpkinSky, thank you for your post to my admin review page. I was delighted to see your name appear in my watchlist there, and honored to read your kind comments. :) Best. Acalamari 09:50, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

You're welcome. Thanks for the feedback.PumpkinSky talk 17:09, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

Bot edit

Odd - not sure what happened there. Is this a widespread or repeatable problem? I'll take a look when I have time.

Martin (Smith609 – Talk) 08:00, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

I think it was caused by ref formatting (spaces and no quotes) such as <ref name = jones> instead of the way it should be <ref name="jones">. This is a repeat problem. PumpkinSky talk 10:15, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

(inserted nowiki) Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:04, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

Danke sehr Gerda!PumpkinSky talk 10:15, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image File:ScoutingCover.jpg

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OK, go ahead. PumpkinSky talk 17:42, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Bozeman National Fish Hatchery

Carabinieri (talk) 00:04, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

Lehrkind Mansion

Yes, it's part of that HD. When you're looking at websites maintained by or somehow in connexion with the owners of contributing properties (or looking at plaques on the properties), you'll often see "listed on the National Register" when they're only contributing properties. Occasionally you do get individually-listed properties within HDs, such as the Taylor-Zent House in Huntington's North Jefferson Street HD, which I visited the other day; however, these are substantially rarer. When you see "listed on the National Register" and don't find the property individually listed, you should always look for a surrounding HD, as you did here, before you start to find whether the property got left off. Nyttend (talk) 12:26, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

Ah! Memory serves! That WAS the original home of the Bistro, which is now in the same block as the Baxter Hotel (File:Bozeman - Hotel Baxter.JPG - badly outdated photo), which, speaking of a building that has to be a NR, if it doesn't have an article, it needs one, badly! At the moment, it houses a restaurant owned by Ted Turner (I think it was the first Ted's Montana Grill and is the flagship of the chain) and serves up bison as well as some very good steaks. Building contains not one but two historic bars, the Bacchus Pub being of particular note for its original wall carvings (some idiot tore out the original bar, but the carvings are still there, fascinating. Montanabw^(talk) 15:36, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

Wasn't the first Ted's...Ted's went into a location that used to be a bar (Karaoke mainly). It may be the first one in the state, but that's about it. The Bacchus is a reincarnation of the original, although I think it's shifted down a front or two from where it was originally. At one time there was a Chinese restaurant in that block as well.Intothatdarkness (talk) 21:08, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

Maybe I'll do the Baxter once I finish the two I'm doing now. Also want to get Yogo wrapped up. Wish I had a free photo of Lehrkind Mansion.PumpkinSky talk 20:49, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

Heh, was just there last weekend. So was the first Ted's at least in Bozeman?? The Bacchus Pub (a favorite haunt of my teen years, because they wouldn't serve us booze, but they WOULD let us sit around drinking tea until late-thirty) is still in the Baxter, but the cool round carved table got sold off some time in the dark years and some moron tore out the original bar in the center of the pub. I think the space may have temporarily housed a Chinese Restaurant, (briefly, but I can't recall for sure), but it's the Bacchus again now even though they have a new yuppie monstrosity of a bar along the lobby wall, but at least they kept the carved monk heads and the carved head of Bacchus himself! You might be thinking of the Robin Lounge, which is now where the bar of Ted's is located, and I think that Bar is the original, looks like it is... Montanabw^(talk) 22:27, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

The first Ted's was someplace back East, I think. Typical for the man, really. And yeah, it was the Robin. The Chinese restaurant was there in the 1970s-ish (remember it growing up here). The Bacchus space stood empty for some time before they finally put it back in. I expect the old Bozeman Hotel would lend itself to an article, too, if it doesn't have one already. Intothatdarkness (talk) 13:47, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

So you grew up there too? Interesting. Agreed, the Bozeman Hotel would be a good article. If my memory serves, The Baxter was a dump for winos and other "room with a hot plate" sorts when I moved to Bozeman in 1970, and I think only the Robin was open. Then they started to rehab the place somewhere in the mid-70s. By the late 70s, the Bacchus Pub was in fine form as a casual eatery that also served alcohol. At that time, the restaurant in the back of the Baxter was the Rocky Mountain Pasta Company. (I remember the fish tanks...) I think that space had several different restaurants in it through the 80s, and Chinese may have been one of them. I know the Bacchus existed in its classic form into maybe the early 90s or so (got food there even after we moved away) and I think some sort of fern-bar-type place took it over for awhile in the 90s and then it was shut down again completely for several years, which must have been when the old bar was torn out and the old carved tables sold off. Montanabw^(talk) 17:23, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

We used to get Teriyaki Burgers at the Bacchus in the late '70s. And yeah, remember the Pasta Company, too. The Robin and the Cannery were the bookends on Main and Wilson, with Charlie's Deli across the street. There was some angst when the Robin closed as I recall. Intothatdarkness (talk) 14:01, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

Ah! You date yourself! Remember: Charlie's was new; most of the 70s it was a bar called St. George and the Dragon, notable for its irregularity in carding underage patrons. (Though not the most notorious, on the nights with good bands, they'd card...). Montanabw^(talk) 00:04, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

Yep. I remember when Charlie's went in, along with the renovation of that corner of Main and Wilson. Along with the predictions that Hell itself would open up and swallow Bozeman whole when Miss Kitty's opened.Intothatdarkness (talk) 14:03, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

old articles

I was just reading through and checking refs and stuff from a couple things you did long ago. I have to say I love the info, great work, and thank you. Still getting a handle on George Thomas Coker (already a GA), and was going through the John Heaphy Fellowes one. I ran into a dead link (this one), so I tried to follow the info at: Wikipedia:Link rot and fix it. I found this archive which I hope gives the proper reference. I'm no authority on cite formats, so I thought you might want to check it. I flubbed it on first try ... but ended up with this. If it can be improved on, I'd love to learn the right way to do it. ... gave it my best shot - but if I just messed things up - feel free to just revert. — Ched :  ?  20:18, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

Hehe. No need to rv, I fixed it. On archive URLs you put the original one in the url= and the archive one in archiveurl= and the archive date in. I recall you asked about this article before, are you ready to work on it now? I'm ready if you are.PumpkinSky talk 20:28, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

Ahhhh .. cool. Thanks. I'm getting ready to go grab a bite to eat, but yea - I'd like to improve Fellowes' article - for sure. On a side note, as I was reading the Coker article and all the source stuff, and it struck me - so many of the true heroes in the military came from a "Scouting" background. Pretty fascinating stuff actually. Anyway .. I've bookmarked the current refs, and am reading up on him. I'll try out that highbeam thing too .. and maybe ask MBianz if there's any JSTOR info available. Hope you're having a great weekend. — Ched :  ?  20:41, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

Glad you like my work, it's great to be appreciated! Best wishes.PumpkinSky talk 20:45, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

I never said I liked anything you did ... LOL .. just kiddin with ya. I added a paragraph ... I'd like to get the Jane Fonda thing and the way they used cigarettes in there too ... just not sure how to do it yet. I didn't put the ref in yet either ... I asked Matt if he could give us a PDF from JSTOR ... we can do this. :) — Ched :  ?  00:42, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

You can ask me too. What's the JSTOR number?--Wehwalt (talk) 00:47, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

Peer review

From one primary editor to another, with each of us passionately putting over 500 edits into our articles, I like how our articles were placed under peer review at just about the same time. Mine (Folding@home) was yesterday, yours (yogo sapphire) was today. I just thought that was interesting and slightly amusing. I'll read the YS article over pretty soon. Good luck to you, Jesse V. (talk) 23:50, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

Good luck to you too. That was interesting and sheer coincidence.PumpkinSky talk 23:51, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
	For transforming the English Wiki entry on Horst von der Goltz, a former stump of an entry into a much more thoroughly-fleshed-out article by translating and adding the German Wiki entry. User:Natty10000 [Stop me before I edit again!] 12:21, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

Oh, why thank you! Glad to do it. It was interesting.PumpkinSky talk 21:08, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Eagle's Store

Hello! Your submission of Eagle's Store at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Yoninah (talk) 22:05, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

Hi, I'm starting to assemble better sources for the article. The National Register of Historic Places card indicates that West Yellowstone, Montana and not Eagle's Store is the actual historic landmark. Is my understanding correct? Best, Yoninah (talk) 15:29, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

It was part of a multiple nomination, but it has its own ref number. Go to here, change the state to MT, type in "Eagle's Store", click submit, then repeat but type in "West Yellowstone" and see you get different refnums. I'll ask Nytend to chime in here as he's the real expert on NRHP listings and how they mesh into wiki articles, but my understanding is if they have their own ref num they get their own article. Related is the first paragraph of the above thread User_talk:PumpkinSky#Lehrkind_Mansion.PumpkinSky talk 15:38, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

Please look over my response, and ask me for a fuller response if I didn't resolve the issues that I was trying to resolve. Individual properties get their own articles if they have their own reference numbers, but West Yellowstone MRA is a multiple property submission (MPS). We normally don't write articles on those, because many of them (including West Yellowstone) are simply about geographically-close groups of sites; for example, it looks like they went around the western portion of Yellowstone National Park, found a bunch of places that were likely to qualify for the National Register, and nominated them together. Sometimes an MPS will get its own article, but that's either because the subject of the MPS is well known (e.g. Land of the Cross-Tipped Churches, a culturally distinctive region of Ohio, which has received some academic interest), or because the MPS article is a good way to avoid having a pile of permastubs (e.g. Historic Firehouses of Louisville, where there's really not that much to say about individual firehouses). Nyttend (talk) 19:04, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

Based on that it seems to me pretty clear that we should leave Eagle's Store as its own article. PumpkinSky talk 19:08, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I'd agree, since you found relevant information in other sources. Nyttend (talk) 19:13, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

PumpkinSky: Please have a look at how I edited the article. I removed the company website as a source and added more refs. I removed much of the biographical information about Sam and Ida, as that is really for another article. I also copied the part about the design into the National Park Service rustic and Fred F. Willson articles so this won't be an orphan. If you like it, we can move ahead with the DYK nom. Best, Yoninah (talk) 21:04, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

"Razed in 1927 and constructed in 3 stages until 1930"[1], also see Shea, p. 57. Yoninah (talk) 21:10, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

Hmm. We generally leave the infobox data as it comes from the db and elaborate in the text. PumpkinSky talk 21:13, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

Look, it's after midnight where I am and I have to check out. Perhaps you could discuss this with Nyttend and I'll be back in touch tomorrow night. Yoninah (talk) 21:16, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

No problem. We just need to decide what to do with the minor issue of the construction date. PumpkinSky talk 21:27, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

I remember reading it before, but I don't understand what the issue is. Nyttend (talk) 03:57, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

(watching) The building was constructed from 1927 to 1930. Which date goes as year of construction? Can the box take "1927 to 1930", or would that confuse sorts? Learning, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:54, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

You first said to look at the 21:04 comment, which doesn't discuss the construction date; that's why I was confused. Except in the case of factual errors (e.g. addresses are wrong, or it says that a property was built decades after construction finished), we generally leave the infobox as is. For NR purposes, there's generally only one year that's the date of significance, and that's really what this portion of the infobox is meant to reflect, rather than the full timespan of construction. Nyttend (talk) 11:42, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, will change to 1927.PumpkinSky talk 16:40, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

Spieth and Krug Brewery

I have no doubts its notable, perhaps you could give it some organization with subheadings and a lede paragraph. ( DGG ( talk ) 01:50, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

done.PumpkinSky talk 02:04, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Eagle's Store

Graeme Bartlett (talk) 08:04, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

David Rebibo

Except for sources like geni.com., I can't find his date of birth. Yoninah (talk) 15:09, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Powers, Principalities, Thrones and Dominions rejected, yet promoted to prep?

I think you meant to promote this DYK nomination, but the fact remains that you actually rejected it, which is a problem. This needs to be fixed or clarified if it was a real rejection. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:48, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

Just a typing error. Fixing now. PumpkinSky talk 03:11, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Woodhouse House (Virginia Beach, Virginia)

Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:03, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

Camp Paxson Boy Scout Camp

Which number? Do you mean 24MO77? That's a Smithsonian trinomial; see here for a detailed explanation. Basically, each state has a number from 1 to 48 (this was devised before Alaska and Hawaii were states; they have numbers 49 and 50 as a result), and then there's a one- or two-letter bit for the county name, and then the number for the site itself; these numbers are generally given to reflect the order in which sites were officially recorded. For example, site 12MO133 is the 133rd site to be recorded in county MO (Monroe) of state 12 (Indiana). In Indiana, there were many county-level surveys (example) that gave sites numbers, and they were later merged into the Smithsonian trinomial system; I don't know about how it was done in other states, but for these Indiana county surveys, they simply started in one part of the county and recorded major sites as they wandered around the countryside, so the smallest numbers are generally major sites (excavated by past generations or otherwise well known to the average people, from whom the initial surveyors learned site locations), and the higher the number, often the least significant, because so many major sites had already been found.

All this being said, I'm quite surprised to see that this specific site is listed under criteria A (event) and C (architecture/engineering). The 24MO77 indicator means that there's an archaeological site there. Judging by comparable sites in Indiana, I expect that it's recorded as a historic archaeological site, and the SHPO is interested in it so that they can learn more about construction methods and other less-likely-to-be-written elements of its earliest years. However, the site is not NR-listed under criterion D (archaeological significance) — some locations with archaeological sites (e.g. Columbia Baptist Cemetery) are listed purely for non-archaeological significance, but it would be quite odd for them to include the site number for a place where the site wasn't contributing.

Now I really hope that you meant 24MO77 :-) If you meant a different number, tell me which one and I'll try to help. Nyttend (talk) 23:55, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

That's good, but why does it show up in the name on the query tool when those numbers don't show up on other queries I've made? PumpkinSky talk 23:57, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

Because for some reason the NR nomination included the site number in the official name by which they wanted it to be listed on the Register. It's my impression that the name picked for the nomination is at least partly the choice of the person(s) writing the nomination form if more than one name could be picked; SHPO approves names or tells nomination writers to revise things, but they don't pick names or write nominations themselves. Look at the entries on the list of Native American archaeological sites on the National Register of Historic Places in Pennsylvania — some of them have no site numbers, some have numbers of this format (e.g. Carbaugh Run), some of them have differently-formatted numbers (e.g. Park), and two of them are listed purely by their site numbers, rather than by the names that I used to create their articles. Nyttend (talk) 00:07, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

Totally inconsistent. So I should remove the number from the wiki article name? PumpkinSky talk 00:13, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

Yes. Unless the site is obscure and really only known by its site number, naming the article by its site number is not good per WP:UCN, and including the site number and the name is even less likely to pass UCN. Nyttend (talk) 00:15, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

By the way, what to do about User:PumpkinSky/Camp Paxson Boy Scout Camp (24MO77) and its talk page? Would you like me to delete them, or are you happy to leave them sitting around? Nyttend (talk) 00:50, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

delete pls, thanks. Wish I had a free photo too.PumpkinSky talk 00:51, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

Done. Hope you don't mind my asking — are you in Montana right now? Just idly curious, since all of your recent NR-related writing that I've seen is related to Montana. Nyttend (talk) 00:56, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

By the way, I found this image; you could email the uploader for a license change if you have a Flickr account, although he's not uploaded anything in two years. By the way, I've moved the page again — you accidentally moved the page into mainspace. It's now at User:PumpkinSky/Camp Paxson Boy Scout Camp. Nyttend (talk) 01:00, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

I'm a Montana ex-pat. I love the state and people, miss it a lot!PumpkinSky talk 01:00, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the fix. I don't have a flickr account. Do you or someone you know? PumpkinSky talk 01:05, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

I do, but I can't remember the password (it's been forever since I used it, and I've only ever uploaded one picture), so I may not be able to help there. You might do well to go to Commons:COM:F and ask for help from users who are active at some of the linked pages. You're welcome on the move; it took me a little while before I realised that you hadn't applied some template to cause the page title to display weirdly. I have no experience with Montana; I've never been closer than the northern edge of Laramie. Nyttend (talk) 01:25, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

Pictures don't do it justice. You have to see for yourself. Beautiful state. Friendly people. And totally not crowded. PumpkinSky talk 01:28, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

Well, most of us are friendly. Right at the moment, someone here on WP thinks I'm a total bitch and is encouraging someone who wants to topic-ban me from all the horse articles. I'm not feeling very friendly. Oh, and it snowed over the weekend here. Yes, the whole state must have washed their cars and planned barbeques! (LOL!) Montanabw^(talk) 18:33, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Ummmm ... considering some of the conversations I've had recently with other "WOMEN" IRL - I think I'll withhold and comments on the "B" word. :-) <ched runs> Chedzilla (talk) 18:56, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

I can't even imagine MTBW as the "B" word.PumpkinSky talk 20:54, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Glad someone feels that way! That said, if I had a dime for every time it's been used to refer to me, particularly when I've called someone on their, er, stuff ... =:-O Montanabw^(talk) 23:12, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Don't know about Montana, but everyone should just stay away from Alaska. It's never beautiful and majestic at all right now, always a frozen wasteland. :D And Montanabw, "=:-O" resembles the Enterprise. :) Live long and prosper, Jesse V. (talk) 03:57, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

@ Jesse - The needs of the many? :-)

@ Montanabw - Sorry, I can't talk about my "stuff" with married women. :-) BAAHAAHAA <Ched runs and hides>

@PS .. you do have a most entertaining talk page. :) Chedzilla (talk) 11:42, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

Ched, I wasn't talking about that "stuff" I was discussing the human equivalent of manure. And yes, Jesse, =:O Engage warp nacelles, please. Montanabw^(talk) 16:40, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

Make it so, Number One! :D Jesse V. (talk) 19:26, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks to all for making my page so interesting! More thread hijacking...was Troi the hottest babe on ST TNG? PumpkinSky talk 21:33, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

Probably, but Dr. Crusher was the smartest officer on the ship and never lost her professional cool! Montanabw^(talk) 23:02, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

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Fellowes

• Please review: (I did both move to WP:LDR and one WP:SFN .. link. comments, tips, or laughter welcome. Chedzilla (talk) 07:05, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Hey Chedzilla. Nice work. I really don't see anything wrong with it. But if you want to get it to GA, are there more sources/info available? Especially in the early life and personal life areas. Also, in the Coker article, this is a dead link, can you find an archiveurl? PumpkinSky talk 10:04, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Jack showed me a couple things I had missed .. annnn .. you gonna love dis one ... I spelled the author's name wrong on the sfn .. LMFAO ... anyway - No - I haven't searched for more sources yet. Also have to get that one web cite ref put in for the one paragraph I added a while back. Think I may still have it in my email. I'll be busy a good part of today - but maybe tonight I can find some refs - will drop on article talk page and start working from there. I don't know if I can find enough to build into GA - but worth a look. I'll see what I can dig up on that dead link too. cheers. Chedzilla (talk) 10:31, 29 May 2012 (UTC) (aka Ched) :)

Hmmmm ... wayback machine doesn't have an archive of it - but: I did find a free streamable version of the documentary at:

• http://freedocumentaries.org/int.php?filmID=168.

And there's an analysis of it in pdf at:

• http://www.trinity.edu/adelwich/documentary/c.tallent.2006.hearts.and.minds.pdf

The pdf might be useable as the ref since it does mention Coker on the third page and may be the material you used the orig. ref from. Chedzilla (talk) 11:01, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Might be Coker at 9:57 of vid. footage. Chedzilla (talk) 11:07, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

I have a copy of H&M on DVD. The PDF is interesting but very biased. Note it doesn't say one thing about our POWs having being brutally tortured. I rm'd the ref as we have two for that and the other is NYT. Added the PDF as an external link.PumpkinSky talk 11:13, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

DYK rejection

I'm disappointed that the DYK proposal for Isothermal microcalorimetry was rejected. I saw a comment that some sections weren't referenced, which is literally true, but I'll bet this article was better referenced than anything else on today's DYK page. I wrote to the main editor, offering to help provide additional references, but that was yesterday, and I haven't heard back. Is that the reason for rejection?--SPhilbrick(Talk) 11:41, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

I just heard back from the editor, who has some pressing items to handle so can't immediately respond. As I told him, we ought to improve the referencing irrespective of whether it is a DYK, so we will attend to that, but if cleanup in a couple days would help, please let me know.--SPhilbrick(Talk) 13:27, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Very much beyond my topics of knowledge, but being aware of your always helpful input - and the obvious hard work and great efforts by Dan, then I'll take a look and see if I can find anything for it too; later tonight or perhaps tomorrow morning. Not sure where it is on the "needs to be done by" scale .. but hey - I'll try if I can. Chedzilla (talk) 13:50, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

That comment was made my Crisco 6 days ago, not a couple. If he has time to respond to you why doesn't he have time to respond to the DYK nom?PumpkinSky talk 15:40, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

He is primarily a researcher, who decided to make an article about a subject he knows about. He doesn't monitor Wikipedia every day. I contacted him via email, precisely because he doesn't regularly visit WP. He doesn't know a DYK from a hole in the ground, I thought it would be a nice thing to do. So I erred in missing the notice. I realize I have over 8K articles on my watchlist, and must reduce it, because I missed the note. It is also worth noting that he is a bit surprised at what needs referencing. The device records the information on computer files, which can be reviewed later. Seriously? That needs a reference? I told him it does, but I understand his surprise.--SPhilbrick(Talk) 12:54, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

Addendum, I am over-committed to promises, on wiki and off, so do not have the time to follow up on this. It's still slightly odd that a brand-new article with 63 quality references is dinged for not being adequately referenced, but I do understand; I had hoped it was something that could be easily rectified, but that isn't turning out to be the case.--SPhilbrick(Talk) 14:44, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

I think a lot of things on wiki are overdone too. No matter what you do on wiki, someone gets pissed off. If you want to overturn it, go ahead.PumpkinSky talk 21:29, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for your note. If I came across as miffed, I didn't intend to. I have too many balls in the air, and I thought this was going to be low-hanging fruit. I told the editor it ought to be better referenced, no matter what, and if that happens soon, I'll beg, if not, no biggie. My sense is that there are more proposed DYK's than slots, requiring some sort of trimming. If so, this is a good thing.--SPhilbrick(Talk) 21:43, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

The feedback box

To PumpkinSky and all interested talk page stalkers: ever wonder where the feedback goes from those new feedback boxes at the bottom of some Wikipedia article? The WMF just unveiled the Central Feedback Page, which collects all feedback from all the articles. I invite you to check it out, and once you see how it works, feel free to give feedback using the "what do you think of this page" button in the upper right-hand corner of the page. Just thought I'd let everyone know. Jesse V. (talk) 17:09, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Camp Paxson Boy Scout Camp

Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:02, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for !voting

	at my successful RFA
	Thank you, PumpkinSky, for !voting at my successful RFA; I am humbled that you put your trust in me. I grant you this flower, which, if tended to properly, will grow to be the fruit of Wikipedia's labours. Now I can add smokejumpers to my vocab. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:33, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

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Question

Would you prefer that I don't review Yogo sapphire? If so, please let me know and I'll strike my comments or something. I've kept the page on my watchlist because I've always liked it, but I'm more than aware that polarization exists between groups of editors, and given this comment Taht "pack" iz a problem; uze teh kitteh'z teeth to byte their sorry azzez, I seem to be lumped in the pack that's perceived as a problem. Anyway, don't want to cause problems, so dropping by here to let you know. I think the page is looking much better, but also I think it still needs a bit of polishing (pun intended). Truthkeeper (talk) 21:49, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

It's fine you edit. I'm uploading definitely free photos now, published in 1900, so there's no doubt. I read you post already. A few of your points I don't agree with, but I'm sure it can be worked out. No problem.PumpkinSky talk 21:52, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

Response to two messages

Thanks for the Yogo NRHP proposal, but at least I couldn't do it — anyone may put together nominations, but you have to be on the ground to do the research. There's no way that one could do it remotely. Regarding VA Beach, I think it best if you put a section in the established article discussing the HD. Judging by the map, the HD appears to include the whole old portion of the base, and I don't think separate articles would help. Besides including the HD content in the Camp Pendleton article, just pipe the link on the list and create Camp Pendleton-State Military Reservation Historic District as a redirect to Camp Pendleton. Of course, if you disagree, go ahead; it's for that precise reason that I've not changed the link and created the redirect myself. Nyttend (talk) 01:34, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

Re:Yogo FAC

Technically, if you're looking for an expert opinion on a legal matter, I suppose you should go to Geoff Brigham, our current general counsel. Media copyright questions is technically the community page for it, but it's not very active. The non-free content talk page attracts a lot of people who put forward views on this sort of thing. J Milburn (talk) 15:48, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

Also, I totally did not realise that PumpkinSky=Rlevse. J Milburn (talk) 15:55, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

Thank you. I'll ask at the first one, there are several recent posts/answers there.PumpkinSky talk 19:19, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

Question regarding Chinese Indonesians

Mark says you know quite a bit about Asia, so I wanted your opinion on this. Do you think this oppose vote holds water? I've worked on clarifying what is pertinent to the article and have tried to avoid going too in-depth, but it appears the reviewer doesn't agree. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:07, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

The single best advice I can give regarding an opposer at FAC is to work with them, if they allow it, this is almost always the best course. That being said, in my view that is not a valid oppose. Yes, it's probably safe to say I know a fair bit about Asia. I've been in over 40 countries, lived in Asia 8 years, lived in Europe 1 year, and my wife is native Thai. Ling stated he didn't like lumping people into large groups, but that is done for quite legitimate reasons, such as academic (one can major in women's studies) and medical reasons (diseases specific to certain groups such as sickle cell). You already mentioned WP:COMMON. On wiki we have Women in Vietnam (that's half the country lumped into one large group), the FA Taiwanese aborigines, the FA Tamil people, Thai Chinese--a lengthy article on Thai citizens of Chinese background--note in American we'd call them Chinese Thai but in Thailand they say "Thai Chinese", Thai American, African American, etc. So if Ling's oppose is based solely on the fact your article is about a distinctive cultural group, I feel it's not valid. I've actually been looking over your FAC but not deeply yet; I was planning to do that this weekend. Hope this helps.PumpkinSky talk 10:05, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

• Alright. Now I feel guilty about not looking at the sapphires yet. This weekend, if my connection is holding. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:30, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you

Δ This user has endured a wide breadth of the institutional ignorance that darkens this organization, yet loves it still. Δ

When I told BR that some others also deserved the "Black barnstar of institutional shame", you were exactly one of the editors I was thinking about. Though I am not proud that our beloved Wikipedia has some dark corners, I am extremely proud at seeing ones like yourself who have endured; and now strengthen our own collective will to eradicate these vestiges of sorrow where the imbecile reigns. My76Strat (talk) 15:41, 9 June 2012 (UTC)