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User:Wiki-john836

Hi Oshwah,

Given this personal attack that this editor made on another user's talkpage, you may want to change their block duration to indef. Looking at their other edits, they are clearly WP:NOTHERE. 2601:1C0:103:976A:3464:725E:953E:6BFA (talk) 00:23, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

Weird, that's what I meant to do in the first place. Oh well... fixed :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 00:32, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

WARNING!!!!!!!!!

who is 39.43.44.18? he edited "Toyota" and it was deleted. L.S. inc. (talk) 16:04, 30 November 2016 (UTC)

suspicious user reported: 73.206.252.27 L.S. inc. (talk) 01:43, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

suspicious user reported: 72.221.79.111 L.S. inc. (talk) 02:00, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

suspicious user reported: 50.186.85.75 L.S. inc. (talk) 02:02, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

user reported doing vandalism: 39.43.44.18 L.S. inc. (talk) 02:04, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

suspicious user reported: 2602:306:32DA:4650:688D:A311:E808:8138 L.S. inc. (talk) 02:06, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

@L.S. inc.: This is not the place for this. Please bring this to WP:AIV. 73.96.115.103 (talk) 02:49, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

WP:CCS at K-bap

Hi, Oshwah. For the record, I felt that what was said at K-bap had such restrictive qualifications, and such mundane ones, tacked onto it that it could hardly be called a credible claim to be significant. It's the first Korean restaurant

• in West Kalimantan
• which is maintained and served directly by Korean people
• who also brought original ingredients directly from Korea.

My reaction to these details was "So?". To me this is akin to being the first Asian restaurant in Fairfax County, Virginia, to put low-sodium soy sauce on the tables. It kind of undermines the meaning of the word "significant"; it's a weak advertising claim. That's my take, anyway. Largoplazo (talk) 12:11, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

Largoplazo - Hmm... your view is quite understandable, and I'm actually inclined to agree with you. Let's do this: Go ahead and re-tag the article for A7 as it was before. I'll let another administrator either agree and delete the page, or decline the tagging if they also feel that the article isn't eligible. Thanks for the message; I appreciate you for being open and expressing your thoughts about this article :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 12:22, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

I'm in no rush. :-) I put it up for AFD; maybe someone else will speedy it in the meantime. Thanks much for your reply! Largoplazo (talk) 12:25, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

You got it :-). Let me know if I can do anything to help. Cheers -- ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 12:29, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

Look who's back

And so it begins again their back Chris "WarMachineWildThing" ^{Talk to me} 02:14, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

Regardless of who I am, my purpose was to remove a source that is unequivocally banned from pro wrestling articles per WP:PW/RS. 188.95.52.251 (talk) 02:28, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

WarMachineWildThing That was an LTA sock. Aaaaand he's gone! ;-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 02:32, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

He returned!!

TheErectile has returned today in full force! Looks like their edits almost didn't get recognized by the other editor on the article - I saw it immediately as him though! :-D -- Dane2007 ^talk 16:23, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

Speedy Deletion Tag Removal

Thank you for your concern in my article. I was instructed by another administrator to remove the speedy deletion tag manually myself. Unfortunately, the administrator was unable to remove the tag them self due to system issues. Therefore, they enlisted me help. I would never attempt to remove a speedy deletion tag without the permission of an administrator, all of which are far more experienced than myself. Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Roeroe03 (talk • contribs) 00:08, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

Roeroe03 - Really? Where did this happen? Because the only person you talked to about this article was Ritchie333 here, who restored the article to a page on your user space here. According to this, he absolutely did not tell you that it was okay to re-create the article again, and then remove the speedy deletion tag after it was tagged. If you've talked to another administrator who told you to do this, please tell me who it was and provide me with the URL to where he/she said that... I'd be very interested to see this... ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 00:14, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

Oshwah - Keep in mind that she could've contacted an administrator another way, such as email. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cannon212 (talk • contribs) 01:50, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

Administrative Permission

I did not contact an administrator through a talk page. I spoke to a Wikipedia administrator over the phone and she walked me through the steps of restoring an article and removing a deletion tag. I can't remember her name, but I think it started with an S. If it would be of help to you, I can try and find the number I called. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Roeroe03 (talk • contribs) 01:53, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

Hacked Account

I'm incredibly sorry Oshwah. My account has been hacked repeatedly all day, as someone unfortunately found out my password. I already had an hacking issue sorted out with another administrator, but it appears my account has been accessed once again. To be clear, I did not personally edit a Phillipa Soo article, vandalize a feces article, or create/ restore "Lucaso the Voyager". I plan on creating a new account and hopefully avoid this problem again. Thank you, and I am once again terribly sorry. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Roeroe03 (talk • contribs) 02:03, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

Lipstick And Luggage

Hello Oshwah, And I'm Lipstick and Luggage, first of all, I am new in Wikipedia and I would like something to do in the future at Wikipedia, to me I would love to be an Wiki Admin in a year while instead waiting, can I be a rollbacker first, Do rollbacker requires how many edits? Thank you. LAL (KB) (talk) 02:09, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

@Lipstick and Luggage: First of all you should read the welcome page, and more precisely the policies and guidelines. I'm adding it to your talk page so you can have all the links in a single place.--Jetstreamer ^Talk 12:33, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

@Jetstreamer, thank you for this one And I will review this. LAL (KB) (talk) 12:44, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

Please let us know if you have any more questions or need anything. ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 13:10, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

Muscovy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muscovy_%28disambiguation%29

Oshwah, you wrote me when you blocked me : During a dispute, you should first try to discuss controversial changes and seek consensus. Shouldn't that apply FIRST to the ones who reverted mine first whithout any talk/consultation? I want to report Eriba-Marduk and Restoring Pages (and Autohistory which last 2 seem to at least pretend to be admin-members) , for inciting editwarring and replacing FACTS with fiction/propaganda with discussion and or sources/proof, shouldn't that outweigh the fact that I, admit blame and shame for that, violated 3R rule and perhaps if possible also seek protecting for the description as was there from 2008 - 2015 as which btw is FACT and can be proved as I did on my talkpage.

17:42, 30 November 2016 User account Restoring Pages was created appareant in collaborating with user Eriba-Marduk

BTW I won't revert it anymore. I get hopefully those 2 reported and or some form of protection for that page.

Ever tried that btw, seeking consesus with PAID kremlintrolls? I'm on (social) media all day English-Ukrianian-russian (I'm dutch myself) and try to weed out fake("news"/"facts") and put FACT news on my reddit. Ceesboogaart_(talk) 16:37, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Actually, Ceesboogaart, the burden of proof is on the editor adding or restoring the content to provide a reliable source within a citation. The first two links lead to Wikipedia policies, and the last one leads to a Wikipedia how-to on creating correctly formatted references within Wikipedia. — Gestrid (talk) 16:54, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

Actually Oshwah, this paragraph was already on there from May 22 , 2008 till June 5, 2015! https://web.archive.org/web/20150515000000*/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muscovy_%28disambiguation%29 so I was not the starting editor in fact AT ALL, biggest part of that paragraph was on there https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Muscovy_(disambiguation)&diff=587444509&oldid=569245996 I just linked to it earliest 1 year ago, and if that entry/paragraph was not proved (most are internal wikipedia-links) then wikipedia admins/contributors/members should look for other work or hobby, not doing what they supposed to do. Just check history of the page thats why I think it needs protecting comparing the 10 versions in webarchive.

And same burden of proof and citations apply then also to Eriba-Marduk and Restoring Pages for replacing/adding other entries instead which despite my enclopedic knowledge I can't find any evidence for, as I've show contrary evidence on my talk page! They provided no proof-citation whatsoever.. (made typo in my first msg saying with, came back to correct that) and adding that since i'm registred member never had a block before.

Further proof more, that from first msg from Eriba-Marduk, I tried to communicate on their talk page, they quickly blanked that. And as said 17:42, 30 November 2016 User account Restoring Pages was created appareant in collaborating with user Eriba-Marduk actions.

I hope I may assume there's no difference in treatment of members from RF and elsewhere??

Btw is the block now over? No, I won't revert that, will seek reporting those 2, and consultation /mediation on that muscovy subject, and perhaps protection if agreed on, btw mentioning muscovy/muscovites is enough to get banned on nearly any RF website.

Ceesboogaart (talk) 17:57, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Restoring_Pages&diff=next&oldid=752495146 seeing this, at least one of them is used to removing content without explanation Ceesboogaart (talk) 21:52, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

No comment- discussion? Ceesboogaart (talk) 13:27, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

IP has been warned several time......

This IP has been warned several times by several users and they continue to Vandalize several articles. Can you please put a stop to this. Chris "WarMachineWildThing" ^{Talk to me} 04:10, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

@WarMachineWildThing: Brought it to WP:AIV as Oshwah is currently inactive for 20 hours. -- Dane2007 ^talk 04:16, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

Gotcha Chris "WarMachineWildThing" ^{Talk to me} 07:50, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

WarMachineWildThing - My apologies, I was busy that day and just now have had a chance to catch back up on messages and emails. The IP has been blocked. Please don't hesitate to bring any more to my attention. If I'm inactive (which I tend to be on the weekends and occasionally when things get busy with work), remember that you're always welcome to file a report at Wikipedia:Administrator intervention against vandalism for assistance as well :-). Cheers -- ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 13:15, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

Just in case you don't see it.....

Hello, Oshwah. Please check your email; you've got mail!
It may take a few minutes from the time the email is sent for it to show up in your inbox. You can at any time by removing the {{You've got mail}} or {{ygm}} template.

Chris "WarMachineWildThing" ^{Talk to me} 12:03, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

WarMachineWildThing - I'll be checking my email messages today. Stand by. ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 13:23, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

I responded to your email Chris "WarMachineWildThing" ^{Talk to me} 02:06, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

IP vandal is back

Hi! That notorious IP vandal is back at Visa requirements for British citizens adding nonsense in Notes ([1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8]). He is also frequenting other articles at random ([9]) The only problem is that it seems he is now using a dynamic IP range.--Twofortnights (talk) 12:17, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

Twofortnights - My apologies for the delay getting back to you. I was busy with real-life stuff :-). It appears that the article mentioned here has been protected. I'll poke around and check out the state of the other articles that the IP has messed with and make sure they don't need it as well. Thanks for the heads up! :-D ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 13:16, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

Hey admin

[10] Someone really needs a block... 207.93.13.145 (talk) 18:06, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) They stopped after the final warning. For now, anyway. — Gestrid (talk) 18:34, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

Hi here

You contacted me in my talk page, I'm from Spanish Wikipedia, where articles aren't well-watched and my edits didn't cause any reverts like that. You noticed that my last edit didn't provide any sources. I made a mistake. I thought all Wikipedias are the same, but not. It seems English Wikipedia is well-watched and mistakes like that are reverted. Thanks for noticing me about that. TheWikiContributor 23:17, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

Hi TheWikiContributor - There was just that small addition to the content that looked unreferenced. The original you added seemed fine to me. :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 23:20, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

So yeah

Ive never warned a single user more than once, can't Aiv a user for 1 warning. Most either stop or someone else hits them with the 2 or 3 or 4th warning and AIVs them or an Admin gets involved. So I warn through twinkle and leave it at that, I'm sure that if I was to ever issues single user that many warnings I might have a chance to AIV, resently I have not. I know how AIV works, can't use it when the user has already been AIV'd. I'm good not having the rights not gonna be here much anyways. I was told to go for it again cause it had been 3 months. I knew it would get denied so yeah.....Chris "WarMachineWildThing" ^{Talk to me} 05:14, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

WarMachineWildThing - No worries; don't take it personally, man. There are just boxes that need ticking first, and seeing some AIV reports is just one of them (even if they're not that many). I understand; it sounds like you're aware of where and when to report users to AIV. And you're right; apart from obvious LTA or sock puppet accounts that should be reported right away, we typically try to warn and correct the behavior first before we report. Just do keep in mind that there are situations (and obviously common sense clauses) that grant leniency; you don't have to wait until the user has been warned four times on every situation before you can report it ;-). I'm going to take another gander at your reversions and warnings as well, and (if you don't mind) offer coaching with anything I find that I think will help set you up for success. Although admins have varying "requirements", the ability to demonstrate proper reverting of vandalism (and warning of users of course), what is and is not vandalism, and the proper/appropriate reporting of persistent vandals to AIV - are requirements that are pretty uniform. One reason as to why the rollback requirements are as they are, is due to the fact that having the rollback flag allows you access to different anti-vandalism scripts and tools. These tools (with one in particular) are very powerful and allow you to do things very quickly, such as revert multiple edits and pages, warn users, report them to AIV, as well as admin functions - most of these with the push of one hotkey, and without confirmation or indication that you've done so. Again, I hope my response didn't discourage you. I want to help set you up for success so that, when I do grant you that flag, it'll be a transition that is both smooth and natural :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 19:08, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

Question about AN/3RR

This entry has not been reviewed nor commented on by an admin. Am I doing something wrong here? WP:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring#NFLjunkie22 reported by User:Jim1138 (Result: ) 22's editing has been a time sink. Thanks Jim1138 (talk) 00:13, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

Jim1138 - Looks like yours might be next in line to be reviewed. If it stales out or sits there for days unanswered, let me know and I'll look at it. ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 00:46, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

It staled out. However, has not been active since. Cheers Jim1138 (talk) 02:24, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

Just a heads up........

I know you placed a 31hr block but just a heads up this is the type of response you may get from this user like he responded to Crash. Chris "WarMachineWildThing" ^{Talk to me} 00:25, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

I'd say that user is WP:NOTHERE. Or just very rude. -- Dane ^talk 00:27, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

Oh well... not anything I'm not used to getting ;-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 00:45, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

Hanukkah protection

Hi Oshwah, hope all is well. Just a quick note that your protection over at Hanukkah might need to be extended due to the holiday fast approaching. I've seen it with Thanksgiving and other holidays and it will definitely happen with this article. Thanks! -- LuK3 (Talk) 03:10, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Unfortunately, pages are not protected preemptively. — Gestrid (talk) 05:29, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

Hey LuK3! I'll keep an eye on it when the protection expires; let me know if it needs it again and I'll throw it on. Like Gestrid said, it has to be preventative as well as proactive, but if it starts showing signs, I'll throw it on... just let me know ;-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 05:56, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

Elissa Sursara and libel

Moved to talk page - Elissa Sursara (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) had removed the "Shark bite" content. I pinged you to the talk page. Anyone else who should be pinged? Cheers Jim1138 (talk) 09:28, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

Jim1138 - I've warned the user for edit warring. He needs to respond to your discussion on the article's talk page and attempt to communicate and discuss the issue. Let me know if the reverts continue repeatedly and without a discussion, and I'll step in :-) Cheers -- ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 09:38, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

Also, I note this response he made... The "other user" he's referring to appears to be LilyHumfrey, it seems... ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 09:40, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

No subject

why did you remove my page — Preceding unsigned comment added by Darren Ritter (talk • contribs) 16:37, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

See Wikipedia's guidelines on user pages for what is and is not allowed on your user page. This will answer your question :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 16:48, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

A cup of coffee for you!

This is regular, not ice cream coffee so k6ka doesn't get mad. Power up for a great day!!! -- Dane talk 17:26, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

@Dane: Do I get coffee too? —k6ka 🍁 (Talk · Contributions) 17:27, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

@K6ka: No. — Gestrid (talk) 17:30, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

Ok, fine, have a cup of coffee. — Gestrid (talk) 17:31, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

hi — Preceding unsigned comment added by DsGamerYT (talk • contribs) 19:58, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

Polygynandry

Hello, you recently reverted the page I was working on for "Polygynandry". The edits I made to the page were not for the purpose of practice, but to really edit the page. The previous entry on polygynandry was very misleading and did not provide sufficient information about the topic. For instance, polygynandry is not just when one or two males mate with one or two females, there are many different forms that I think should be better explained on Wikipedia. I also think the examples of the Bicknell thrush and the Dunnock are very not informative and the entry should provide more information on the topic. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dlgkssk (talk • contribs) 20:02, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

Hi-Fi (Short Film)

Hi-Fi (Short Film) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

I am trying to delete the page because the site said it was an advert. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nasrin Changling (talk • contribs) 23:33, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

Nasrin Changling - Oh, you're the article's creator! I apologize for the confusion. You're certainly welcome to blank the article or request deletion of it if you wish. Just let me know and I can do it for you. Cheers! :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 23:36, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

I am trying to delete the page because it was flagged as an advert. I didnt read the wiki guidelines. THe page was only supposed to be a marker that the film was made. (Nasrin Changling (talk) 23:36, 7 December 2016 (UTC))

 Done ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 23:39, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

VOA block of DoubleA-RonChris

Not to be a pain in the rear, but could you take another look at the contribs (there are only a few) of this user? Their second edit was vandalism for sure, but some of the others look like the only problem is a big case of WP:CIR, which can be fixed with guidance and help. Also, their talk page has no hint of welcome or offers of help, just warning templates. That doesn't strike me a being very conducive to a future of productive editing. I just happened to run across this user from my watchlist, and they struck me as someone who could use a little (okay... a metric ton of) help, until I noticed their block was an indef. If I'm just being an optimistic idiot, tell me so. But if not, I'm happy to try to lend a helping hand showing them the ropes of WP. MjolnirPants Tell me all about it. 04:02, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

MjolnirPants - Sigh... I was actually really borderline with that block, but I felt that the severity of the problematic edits seemed blatant enough for me to justify that this account was created solely for this purpose. However, I will grant the user an unblock. If anything, we can sit and see :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 04:05, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

MjolnirPants - I've unblocked the account. I hope you teach him well, and that he learns a lot from you :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 04:10, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

(edit conflict)Thanks for the well wishes! I'm going to go give them a welcome message now. Cross your fingers and knock on wood for me. MjolnirPants Tell me all about it. 04:15, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

MjolnirPants - You'll do fine, dude :-). Keep in touch! ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 04:26, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

JT LeRoy

JT LeRoy (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Can I get some help on the article JT LeRoy? A user has come to me with a concern that the article has been rewritten to remove all controversy. According to the article's talk page, that same user also believes another user is engaging in sock/meatpuppetry to "fix" the article. (Weirdly enough, the user that came to me has only edited that article and its talk page.) For more history on the (apparently ongoing) problem, see User talk:Gestrid/Archive_4#JT LeRoy and Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 528#I would love of some help. I need help sorting this whole mess out. — Gestrid (talk) 18:26, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

Hi Gestrid! Sure, always happy to help. So, looking at the teahouse discussion, I see that Msturm 8 made some edits to JT LeRoy in October. Immediately after, a referenced quote regarding (what appears to be) a sexual controversy was added to the article and then reverted back-and-fourth by IPs and another user account (NVG13DAO). One reversion which removed the content had an edit summary that seemed opinionated regarding the quoted person's reputation [11], another used an edit summary incorrectly stating that the removal was vandalism [12], and the reversion [13]... keeps going [14]... Anyways, I agree that these reversions could have been solved with a discussion and that it went on for far too long without one. There definitely seems to be a lot of content additions, content reversions, and (what seems to be) little discussion until the article was protected for content-related disputes and edit warring (which was a good decision to do). Based on the conversation on your talk page by EdJohnston, his observations are/were in-line with mine - There's a lot of content that seems to be controversial and possibly unreliable or problematic being added to the article, as well as being reverted back-and-fourth without discussion... not good. It also seems to have continued over the month of October and November as well.

If someone approaches you stating that another user or IP is breaking policy (such as, "someone is removing content in order to push a particular point-of-view or agenda" etc), they need to provide evidence to support their statements. This will not only help us to easily investigate and take information from there (especially in a situation like this where the article history is messy), but it can also be considered problematic if they make accusations without. If they didn't provide evidence, explain that you must have it - ask them for specific diffs and an explanation as to why they're relevant and why it supports the accusation. Let me know if you need me to assist you with investigating specific claims, or if the disruption on the article continues and gets out of control. I'll be happy to step in if it's necessary. Let me know how things go! Cheers -- ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 19:24, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

Thank you. I'll get back to you if I need more help. — Gestrid (talk) 20:03, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

One more thing: What do you think of that editor's accusation of socking towards another editor? — Gestrid (talk) 20:06, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

Also, feel free to reply to the user on my talk page. — Gestrid (talk) 20:28, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

Gestrid - Where was this accusation made? I must have missed that when digging around... (I'm at the office, so forgive me if I miss obvious things. I have to go back-and-fourth and multitask a lot while at the office) :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 20:49, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

Actually, I may have misread it. See Talk:JT LeRoy#Discuss with User: 76.21.32.54. According to Msturn 8 (the user who posted to my talk page today), the other user (PacificOcean) has disclosed that they are working with another editor (NVG13DA). PacificOcean confirmed this on another part of the talk page. In any case, it appears all three editors have some sort of interest in JT LeRoy and Laura Albert. After looking through all three users' contribs, I noticed that PacificOcean only started editing a few weeks after the editor they claim to be working with stopped editing. — Gestrid (talk) 21:19, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

John Glenn

I am on mobile and at work so unable to verify. The article says he is dead; news sources i could find said he was only hospitalized. Can you check, and add a citatiom if he is really dead, and revert all those changes otherwise? oshwah's talk pagr stalkers are welcome as well. Thanks! Kees08 (talk) 20:35, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) @Kees08: Confirmed. He is dead. — Gestrid (talk) 20:39, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

Damn, and thanks Kees08 (talk) 20:41, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

Confirmed, ref added, and page protected for one day due to persistent vandalism over his death. Respected astronaut and engineer in his field of study, and a damn good one too. ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 20:45, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

Syllabification

What is the syllabification of "Katrina", inserting spaces between syllables? 139.195.85.55 (talk) 23:48, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

Please lift your block of the edit I did!

Hello, The edits that were done to the page Travis Shallow were on purpose because the page had all of the information about the wrong songwriter on it. The info after the first paragraph was all about Ryan Adams, a completely different singer songwriter that already has a page here. So i edited the info out that had nothing to do with Travis Shallow. Can you reverse your edit please? Thank you! _Wolfgang — Preceding unsigned comment added by WolfgangPaycheck (talk • contribs) 00:08, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

WolfgangPaycheck -  Done. My apologies. I saw your most recent change but didn't see your first edit with the explanation. I agree that much of what you removed appeared to be original research or were unreliable. Thanks for letting me know about the confusion, and I (again) apologize for that! :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 00:13, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

Thank You!

Thanks for doing the test for me! It took 20 seconds for my test edit to be token of. Good job being an editor! -Fake Editor FakeEditor (talk) 00:14, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

FakeEditor - Umm... sure, no problem! lol... In the future, if you need to make tests, do them here :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 00:15, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

Peppa Pig IP vandal

Thanks for protecting that ridiculous article, and for squelching the 177 ... 15 IP on Siamese cat today! I've been nosing into this situation all week and have a list of seven IPs; what do you recommend as the most potentially effective prophylactic from a reporting standpoint? Hope all's well! - Julietdeltalima (talk) 00:47, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

Hi Julietdeltalima! No problem! It's what I'm here for :-). What are the IPs? Depending on what IPs they are, I can have them range blocked or consider a different strategy... ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 00:49, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

So far I've got 177.42.223.15 (talk · contribs · WHOIS); 177.159.54.120 (talk · contribs · WHOIS); 187.114.171.36 (talk · contribs · WHOIS); 2804:18:7809:5bf2:5c40:8713:4770:bd6c (talk · contribs · WHOIS); 2804:7f7:a585:7ada:0:0:0:1 (talk · contribs · WHOIS); 2804:7f7:a585:4bb3:0:0:0:1 (talk · contribs · WHOIS); and 2a02:c7d:4ee4:c300:c08a:6cd3:d215:1ed8 (talk · contribs · WHOIS). Have at it! Much obliged! - Julietdeltalima (talk) 17:56, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

Why my contribution marked as spam on Debt Consolidation?

I am really confused now. I found that information from that external link and its related, informative, helpful for users like me to get the core information about debt consolidation. So I don't understand where is my fault? :( — Preceding unsigned comment added by 103.73.224.142 (talk) 00:57, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

Don't you think Payday Loan is a part of consumer debt? I have added my explanation on this.

My edit

You removed my edit on the attack helicopter being a sexual gender, there are people in this world who identify as an attack helicopter and i think that needs to be more widely known — Preceding unsigned comment added by CKChance19 (talk • contribs) 01:11, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

I am truly sorry

I am sorry for messing up BYE! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Leslytherin (talk • contribs) 01:35, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

Thanks

Dear Oshwah, Thanks for blocking User talk:185.69.144.166 for harassing me. I'm fairly new, and was not sure if I should report the user for a one-time attack, rather than repeated ones. For vandalism I always warn the user with the escalating vandalism messages. Should I warn multiple times for the harassment of editors as well, or report it immediately?

Thanks again,

ISON (talk) 02:03, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

Hi Nicholas.Horsey! Welcome to Wikipedia! I'm glad to have you here, and I appreciate all the vandal fighting you've been doing. Keep it up, seriously. It depends on the harassment. If it was blatant - using grossly racist, profane, or insulting language, stuff like that... then revert and report. If it rises to a threat (read that page), then revert and immediately report. If it was something just snarky, argumentative, even commonly insulting or personal, or made out of understandable frustration or anger, just revert and warn. I hope this gives you a good idea and answers your question. If you have any more questions, please feel free to message me and ask them. I'll be happy to give you a hand! Again, welcome dude! Pull up a chair and enjoy your stay :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 02:12, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

Wow, thanks so much for the reply. I will be sure to follow your golden rule: be nice! I'm not too worried about the message left on my talk page by the way, I know people will not always be happy when I warn them of vandalizing. It certainly won't scare me away. As you may have seen, I have had a wikipedia account for a while, but only until recently did I decide to become an active member of the community, and I'm so glad I decided to do so. Thank you again for your kind messages, I really appreciate it! ISON (talk) 02:24, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

Nicholas.Horsey - Any time! My talk page is always open if you need anything. I'm happy that you did, too! We need more vandal fighters, so it always makes me smile when I see users who are new and making good reversions to vandalism. Keep up the reverting, start reporting vandals to Wikipedia:Administrator intervention against vandalism, and after you gain a little experience with doing it correctly, I'll make you a rollbacker. Keep in touch! ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 02:41, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

RE: "God-Emperor" page.

My edit was not vandalism, but a good faith edit.

Ever heard of "Don't Stuff Beans Up Your Nose". I was attempting to make a point, and explain why I should probably be added to the list.

Sincerely,

POTUS, Donald J. Trump — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.113.99.187 (talk) 02:04, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

Hello Oshwah, Can you help us to upload it? The correct way, please. Stylistic Analysis and Plastic Paint Medium Technique are the most frequently asked questions by everyone in the field. Thank you very much in advance Sincerely josignacio's team — Preceding unsigned comment added by Xucp (talk • contribs) 02:06, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

Recent edit to "Josignacio"Xucp (talk) 02:09, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

Hello Oshwah, Can you help us to upload it? The correct way, please. Stylistic Analysis and Plastic Paint Medium Technique are the most frequently asked questions by everyone in the field. Thank you very much in advance Sincerely josignacio's teamXucp (talk) 02:09, 9 December 2016 (UTC) P.s We really trust that you are here to help us.We have your promise.

Edit warring

Hi, dear Oshwah can I ask you to handle this [15]? The IP appears to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts made. Thanks--Mona778 (talk) 03:34, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

Mona778 - Edit warring? Where? On Gizem Karaca? The IP has only edited the article twice in the last week. Is changing "Gizem' mother side originally are from Albania" to "Gizem' mother side are Turkish of Albanian descent" vandalism? I ask, because you used rollback to revert this IP's edit here... Am I missing something? ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 03:50, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

Of course is not, but not an improvement either. Don't you think so? Mona778 (talk) 04:08, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

Mona778 - Oh, the whole sentence is terrible... the grammar was broken before the edit, and it was broken afterwards. There's no question that the changes were crappy, as in it didn't fix anything. But I do have concerns with your request for me to step in. First, this IP made two small changes to the article over 5 days. This appears to be a AGF situation where a simple talk page message would go very far. I also note that your use of rollback wasn't appropriate in this situation, as it's intended use on edits made by other editors is to revert vandalism. Just be careful, okay? I've made this mistake a few times before; don't worry about it. It happens to everyone. Just take a second, glance through the rollback policies really quick, and move on :-). I'll keep a watch on the article in case things get bad. I hope you're having a great day, and I hope you keep in touch! :-D ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 04:21, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

OK, you too. Bye. Mona778 (talk) 04:39, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

Hi again, dear Oshwah I copy edited the section of article which it seems is very sensitive to the IP with the hope of resolving the content dispute. Can you have a look? Thanks--Mona778 (talk) 06:06, 10 December 2016 (UTC)

ballon d'or.Did Pele truely had won 7 ballon d'or?

I think people who work in wiki,should respect the fact.It's important,because people will look wiki to find some informations.if wiki not respect the truth,why should people do？Messi had won 5 ballon d'ors,it's true.other players had won ballon d'ors it's true.don't find the reason why just a "suppose","if"or "imagination" should with the fact the truth.don't know.don't know the reason.that's why edit that source.[1] quel serait le palmarès du Ballon d'or si le reglement actuel,qui permet...means：What would be the record of the Ballon d'or if the current regulation, which allows...it's not truely happened.why "if" with the fact,why "suppose" with the fact,why "imagination" with the fact.I do't know.can't find the reason.thanks.Fl9csi (talk) 12:33, 9 December 2016 (UTC)Fl9csi (talk) 12:22, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

heyyyy--Jovan4 (talk) 14:15, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

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Whats up?

Hi Oshwah, How are you? I hope you are enjoying your holidays, and also have you been doing much. I have just finished school, now going to meet up with my girlfriend and hopefully take the dreaded license test!! I hope to pass. Anyway, my girlfriend and I managed to rack up several selfies, and when my team won a point she kissed me on the lips. She also wants to go out to the movies or lunch with me. But she is doing athletics, so I am hoping to come down and watch her take part in the athletics. I hope she wins, then I will come down to the tracks (hope her parents don't find out) and kiss her!!! --EurovisionNim (talk to me)(see my edits) 14:19, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) EurovisionNim, are you referring to driving? I have started to learn how to drive, myself. Hope you're doing well! Patient Zero^talk 16:26, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

Patient Zero, I am not sure yet. I am quite busy, and living with my grandparents make it difficult as my parents are at work over the weekdays. But hopefully, if I can't do it this month, then I will do it in early to mid January --EurovisionNim (talk to me)(see my edits) 02:31, 10 December 2016 (UTC)

EurovisionNim: Ah, indeed. Over here we have to take two driving tests, theory and practical. I'm hoping to do my theory next year; is this what you do in Australia? Patient Zero^talk 11:34, 10 December 2016 (UTC)

Patient Zero I'll ask my girlfriend – she took her test. It is the first one for me. --EurovisionNim (talk to me)(see my edits) 11:35, 10 December 2016 (UTC)

EurovisionNim: OK. I wish you the best of luck with your test :-) Patient Zero^talk 11:38, 10 December 2016 (UTC)

Patient Zero: In other news, I am taking my girlfriend to the movies, so I can re-enact our first kiss --EurovisionNim (talk to me)(see my edits) 11:39, 10 December 2016 (UTC)

Aww, that's nice EurovisionNim - hope you both enjoy! Patient Zero^talk 11:42, 10 December 2016 (UTC)

Stylistic Analysis and Plastic Paint Medium Technique

Hello Oshwah, Thank you very much for your advice and the welcoming! We assumed you may don't have the time to explain a little more "potable" for beginners like us. But we need to upload Stylistic Analysis and Plastic Paint Medium Technique to Josignacio's Wikipedia. What is needed to fix that absence of Neutral point of view? Please we beg you or someone as capable as you are to help us, can you??? Please? It is very important that these two statements (Stylistic Analysis and Plastic Paint Medium Technique) appear on artist Josignacio's page ASAP Thank you very very much! Sincerely Josignacio's Staff XucpXucp (talk) 17:08, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

P.s Here we put the Stylistic Analysis and Plastic Paint Medium Technique for review.

Stylistic Analysis

Since his first days as a creator, Josignacio’s human interconnectedness with colors, along with his genius and unbridled subconscious mind’s impulse to use them on canvasses, has been his guiding light and the key to all of his creations. Josignacio is mostly inspired by music, human emotions, and the detailed elements and perpetual validity of nature. The genesis of his executions generally consists of an intricate combination of close-up images of deep-sea flora and fauna, fossil rocks, outer space and subtly organic materials fantasized by colors. Josignacio primarily expresses himself through color. Forms are secondary elements in his paintings, in spite of using “fusiform forms” either to encapsulate or unwrap them at times. Josignacio is fundamentally considered an “abstract, semi-abstract or neo-figurative” painter. Nevertheless on occasion, he is inspired by a social happening/event, a personal experience, a philosophical ideal, or a reflection that requires figurative elements in order for it to be expressed; he has never hesitated in using forms that are perfectly recognizable and derived from real life, in contrast to his own imagination. Moreover, he gives himself the freedom of creating whatever comes to mind in the breadth of his wide spectrum technique, and that’s the key of his liberation as a creator.

Josignacio plays with colors, much like a child would, but in a conscious manner following his unique impulses and feelings. He is most interested in the abstract elements of a particular form rather than the form itself. The fact of the matter is that in any realistic painted object, countryside or portrait, Josignacio puts together a great number of abstract sectors to achieve the overall result - and those individual, yet intricately placed sectors in his perspective are the most interesting. He has found the perfect medium to express the vast majority of his ideas through his own plastic paint technique.

Since his youth, the abstract expressionists of the New York School have influenced Josignacio; however, Karel Appel and Wassily Kandinsky have had a special focus. He uses the Jackson Pollock’s dripping technique very often as well. Even throughout childhood, Josignacio was more motivated by color than by forms - a distinguishing factor in his artwork that has been celebrated among his peers and family. The only exception to his artwork can be witnessed in his self-portrait, which he performed according to a specific academic style in his first exhibition in 1987; the rest of his paintings have all been abstract. It was from this point in time that his future as an abstract/neo-figurative painter had been decided. Giulio V. Blanc (Curator and art critic) Miami 1993.

Plastic Paint Medium Technique

Plastic Paint Medium is an artistic technique created by Artist Josignacio in Havana City, Cuba in 1984. This technique consists of the use of epoxy resins (any of a class of resins derived by polymerization from epoxies used essentially in adhesives, coatings, and castings) as an "agglutinating medium" and "pigments" as colorants, obtained as a result of a real plastic finish with a new visual effect. It was considered to be a novel technique because until that time, it was nearly impossible to obtain such a shiny, hardened transparency with real 3D effects with the conventional known mediums. Furthermore, no one had ever used the epoxy painting pigment to make an entire painting. At that time, epoxy resin was primarily used as a varnish, adhesive, or to create a particular type of sculptural object. Josignacio’s versatility put this medium, and his own artwork, in a stand-alone status. Josignacio’s first completed painting with this medium was a neo figurative depiction of a human face. Plastic Paint Medium is not water-based nor is it water-soluble. Its drying or curing time is approximately six hours depending on various factors such as: humidity, temperature, or the amount of pigment added to the mix. Plastic Paint Medium is very resistant to the corrosive effects of weathering and an excellent blocker against devastating UV's rays. Similar effects for artists can be obtained with newer generations of acrylic paint developed by Mark Golden. What makes it unique is that materials can be used in concert and in combination, making blending and application opportunities endless.

References

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Hey Oshwah, I hope you're doing well...

I just came across this account in the edit filter logs and this account showed up as a possible spambot. The filter description says "Magic/astrology spambots"; not really sure what this means though... Since I can't see the attempted edit, could you take a quick look at it? Thanks! 73.96.115.13 (talk) (also known as CbtZ on IRC) 06:43, 10 December 2016 (UTC)

User:Oshwah is a Jerk

Hi Oshwah, it's obvious why you blocked this account, but how did you find out the account was created?--Bbb23 (talk) 13:12, 10 December 2016 (UTC)

Hi BB23! I consistently refresh the new user logs on one of my browser tabs as part of my patrolling, and I also keep a script that maintains a live feed of new account creations for when I navigate away. とある白い猫 also informed me on IRC that he had done this (I recognized the creator as well, but not until after I had sock blocked it and he told me - which was the reason I unblocked it, since it would have hard blocked him from editing). He understands that what he did isn't encouraged, as it (obviously) makes him either look compromised or like an LTA, plus creating doppelgänger accounts should be left to the user who needs to do so (WP:VALIDALT). So long as someone tells him this on-wiki, he understands this, and he doesn't continue doing this after being told to not do that anymore, I say we can call it good and move on :-). Thoughts? ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 14:21, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

No, as long as this doesn't recur, I think we're good. Thanks for the explanation.--Bbb23 (talk) 14:53, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

Adding Stylistic Analysis and Plastic Paint Medium Technique, two of the most important topics of artist Josignacio

Dear Oshwah, Can we submit a "corrected" version of the Stylistic Analysis and Plastic Paint Medium Technique to you before uploading? Please let us know. Thank you very much. XucpXucp (talk) 16:07, 10 December 2016 (UTC)

Hi Xucp. What article is this in relation to, exactly? Are you attempting to create a new article or expand an existing one? ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 14:27, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

Dear Oshwah, We are in the process of finding all information, the sources of "Stylistic Analysis" and Plastic "Paint Medium Technique" in order to be accepted to post it in Josignacio's page. So far we believe that the "Neutral Point of View" is already fixed. Please let me know. thank you very much!

Stylistic Analysis

Josignacio is best known for his abstractions [1], since his firsts days as a creator, colors most than forms and his connectivity with them, the free impulse of the subconscious mind to apply them on his canvasses, have been the lighting guide, his life motive, a constant key of all his creations.

Mostly inspired by music, strong human emotions[2] and the detailed elements of the nature in front of his eyes.

The genetic or DNA of his executions generally consists of a careful combination of close-up images of the deep-sea flora and fauna [3], fossil[4] rocks, outer space and subtly organic materials fantasized by colors.

Through color he does mostly express himself. Forms are secondary elements in his paintings in spite of sometimes he uses “fusiform forms” either to encapsulate or unwrap them.

Regardless he is considered fundamentally an “abstract, semi-abstract or neo-figurative” painter, his playing with realistic forms inserted in his abstractions is something very often seen, especially in his “Dualism [5] Series” which consist in just that; two elements depicting one motive or theme in the same painting. Example of that series are “El Siete” (The Seven), in which is very clear a number seven on top of a green-orange background close to a very abstract number seven in permanent green and blacks and the “3 o’clock” which depicted an abstract clock in a monochromatic[6] use of greens contrasting with a figurative and rigid clock hands in deep red.

Nevertheless in some occasions, when he got inspired by a social happening, a personal experience, a philosophical thinking or a reflection that requires only figurative elements in order for him to express it, he have never hesitated in using forms that are perfectly recognizable derived from real life more than his own imagination.

He gives himself the freedom of doing whatever comes to his mind in his wide technique’s creative spectrum and that’s the key of his freedom as a creator.

He plays with colors like a child plays with colors, in a conscious manner but following his impulses and feelings. He is most interested in the abstract elements of the form than the form itself; the fact of the matter is that in any painted realistic object, countryside or portrait, you need to put together a great number of abstract sectors to achieve them, and those sectors in his perspective, are more interesting than the results.

Through his own plastic paint technique he have found the perfect medium to express the vast majority of his ideas.

Since his youth the abstract expressionists of the New York School like Willem de Kooning, James Brooks, Robert Motherwell, have influenced Josignacio, however, Karel Appel and the use of the whole canvas to put just one or two figures in it with just few brush strokes of warm colors mixed with cool colors and black and Wassily Kandinsky circle series and a specific painting titled “Improvisation. Deluge” dated 1913, has had a special focus. He uses very often also Jackson Pollock’s dripping technique but in a very controlled way. All these elements combined with his own technique’s characteristics are the responsible in defining Josignacio’s art.

All these abstract painters have had influenced me more than my Cuban compatriots, because the abstractionism in my country is more based on Picasso’s cubism than their energetic and expressive brushstrokes gesturalism. He said.

Composition and color balance comes naturally. The use of one of primary colors[7] such as red and his complementary green are almost a constant fight in which the color black acts as a mediator between them.

Plastic Paint Medium technique

Plastic Paint Medium is a name given to the use of epoxy resin[8] (any of a class of resins derived by polymerization[9] from epoxies: used essentially in adhesives[10], coatings, and castings) as an "agglutinating medium" mixed with "pigments"[11] as colorants. Artist Josignacio in Havana City, Cuba created this painting technique in 1984. Epoxy resin was used before 1984 in art as a varnish, to glue stuff on collages or to make some kind of sculptural objects. This artistic medium is a revolution in the painting technique’s field. The pigmented epoxy resin painting results in a real plastic finish with a new visual effect. It has said was new because until that moment was almost impossible to obtain such shining, hardens, transparency, and real 3D effects with the conventional known mediums, and no one have had ever used the epoxy painting pigmented to make or finish a whole painting. This is one of the most versatile mediums for painters ever. Josignacio’s first completed painting with this mixing was a neo figurative depiction of a human face. Plastic Paint Medium or pigmented epoxy resin is not water based neither water-soluble, its drying or curing time is approximately six hours, depending on some factors such humidity, temperature or amount of pigment added to mix. The way of mixing the two liquids is in identical parts, then steering until is completely mixed the resin with the hardener and then it is added the desired color in a form of dry pigment or oil painting. Then it is applied to the support, either canvas or wood in a horizontal position until it dries. This technique is also very resistant to the corrosive effects of weathering and an excellent blocker against the devastating UV's rays [12]. German artist and art theorist Max Doerner[13] predicted the use of synthetic resins[14] in art, in his book “The Materials of the Artist and Their Use in Painting” ISBN-13: 978-0156577168 ISBN-10: 015657716X first published in 1921.

XucpXucp (talk) 14:42, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

Before I do something wrong

Are either comments made by this user or this user appropriate? They are not really pertaining to the ani subject.I was going to remove but wasn't sure if that was appropriate either. Chris "WarMachineWildThing" ^{Talk to me} 06:11, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

Bold removed, I'll take my chances. Chris "WarMachineWildThing" ^{Talk to me} 06:22, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) @WarMachineWildThing: I would instead restore the comments (They can be retrieved by copying them from this diff.), but use something like {{hat|reason=Off-topic. ~~~~}} and {{hab}}. {{hat}} goes at the top of the comments you want to hide and {{hab}} goes at the bottom}}.

It will then look like this:

Off-topic. — Gestrid (talk) 06:43, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
This text will be hidden by default.

It stops an off-topic discussion and preserves the comments. This method is used quite often on the different discussion pages of Wikipedia. — Gestrid (talk) 06:43, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

I'll make note for next time. Chris "WarMachineWildThing" ^{Talk to me} 07:01, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

Did as suggested and got this on my talk page

And then this Chris "WarMachineWildThing" ^{Talk to me} 07:27, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

User posted same POV response to two different ANIs here and here I removed the second when I responded to the ANI stating POV, I was told to hide instead, user restored here with a snid comment so I hid as suggested, User then started threatning me with getting blocked on my talk page and has undone what I was suggested to do by Gestrid. Chris "WarMachineWildThing" ^{Talk to me} 07:39, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

Users like this is why new wiki users don't stay around. Threats, intimidating, I've been here longer attitude, this is why Wiki can't grow is because of users like this. Chris "WarMachineWildThing" ^{Talk to me} 08:13, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

 Note: There are also comments on both my and WarMachineWildThing's talk pages pertaining to this. — Gestrid (talk) 08:17, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

Hi WarMachineWildThing - I don't think you did anything wrong; you just did something that is typically done differently in the "collaboration culture/norms". As Gestrid pointed out, simply hatting the off-topic discussion (like what he did in the example above) would preserve the conversation but also send the appropriate message that the topic being hatted is off-topic. I also agree that EEng's message here was a bitey, as you were unaware and didn't know how to properly handle this. I'm also not quite sure what this was about, either. It looks like someone ended up collapsing that section, and the ANI doesn't look to involve you directly (which is good); you were just trying to add discussion. While you're totally allowed to do so, I'd just caution you to be weary. ANI is often a place where many editors go to (either to start a discussion or respond to one) while angry or frustrated. It's a noticeboard where discussions typically need experienced editors and administrators to help diffuse. Don't take any harsh or heated responses personally. While blatant civility and NPA issues are never tolerated; responses made in frustration or even anger are understandable. Best of luck :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 15:22, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

Perfect example of what I was talking sbout

This is a perfect example of what I was talking about last night an article gets moved by a user who has over 3,000 edits and has been here 9months and another user who has been here 4 yrs decides that's not good enough and does this even though the move was correct as consensus favored a move. This is the type of BS that needs to stop. This is why new users leave. Chris "WarMachineWildThing" ^{Talk to me} 17:50, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

So he can come to my talk but I can't his? More proof vets shitting on New users. They can dish it but can't take it when confronted about their attitude towards new users. Oh look now we're gonna gang up. Proves my point even more. Chris "WarMachineWildThing" ^{Talk to me} 00:00, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

@WarMachineWildThing: It wasn't my intention to gang up on anyone, and I'm still pretty new here myself, just like you. I just think it isn't smart to edit war with users over the content of their own talk page, which is what you were doing. Sro23 (talk) 00:46, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

User posted to my wall, I responded to his wall proving my point that vet editors shit on new users. He removed it with the reason of "fuck off" real mature, I put back with the reasoning he posted to my wall first which he did, then you removed again which wasn't your place. There was no edit war yet. It was his place to remove again not yours, if he would have removed again I would have not put it back. But whatever proved my point for me unless your here a 1 yr or more your not allowed to edit or stand up for yourself or for other new users. Enjoy yourselves because your attitudes are what's causeing new users to leave and stop editting. Chris "WarMachineWildThing" ^{Talk to me} 00:58, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

• Telling me "I shit on new users" isn't exactly mature either, You shouldn't of reverted the first revert either, The RM was closed and moved by a newbie - As I have said It should have been closed by an established editor or an admin (the latter being my preference), Had you come to my talkpage in a calm and polite manner I would've been happy to help and resolve your issues however instead you came over moaning and basically speaking to me like shit so ofcourse I'm going to get abit rattled, It might be a good idea to look at your own attitude before complaining about others. –Davey2010^Talk 01:08, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Should I have told them to F Off - No I perhaps should've been a bit more polite but I simply don't appreciate someone coming to my talkpage saying I shit on new users!,

I had left them a note saying stay off of my talkpage and likewise I would do the same[16] so at this point I see no reason to make a mountain out of a molehill. –Davey2010^Talk 01:02, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

You were part of that discussion you shouldn't have reverted the move either as that is a conflict of interest no matter wether you support or Oppose. Which you were already told by LM2000 how you should have went to WP:Move review instead. Your whole basis for the revert of the move was because the user was only here 9 months and a newbie as you said, that's not up to you your not an Admin. So yeah I said you shit on new users, I meant every word of it. Your response in the revert and on my talk page shows your attitude towards new users and proved my point. New users can't learn how to do things right or wrong because of vet users like you doing what you did and the mentality towards them. But whatever as usual only new users are wrong and the vets are always right. Chris "WarMachineWildThing" ^{Talk to me} 01:52, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

There's a difference between "moving an article back because I disagree with the consensus" and "moving it back because the account was new and the closer provided no comment inregards to the discussion other than "moved"", MOVEREVIEW is for the former, I moved the page due to the latter,

Exactly so you have no right coming over here complaining about me when lets be honest you're just as bad,

Well technically that's true - Us "vets" are right because we've been here for a very long time and therefore know how things are run - Being on here a year doesn't automatically mean you know everything because you don't!,

At the end of the day had you come to my talkpage in a calm and polite manner we wouldn't be here now, I'm done here as this discussion is going no where.

BTW apologies Oshwah for the constant tp notifications here!. –Davey2010^Talk 02:30, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

Vets are not always right, but thanks for proving my point. Chris "WarMachineWildThing" ^{Talk to me} 02:37, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

That's a shame, because I like you both and it's sad to see you in conflict. Sro23 (talk) 01:07, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

It appears that there's been frustration that has stemmed from a requested move, a discussion that is still ongoing (or at least still open). We typically don't want to perform a page move, edit, change, etc until the relevant discussion has had time to close and reflect consensus first. If you weren't aware of the discussion when you made the move, and someone pointed you to it after undoing it, I've made that mistake before many times. It happens; don't worry about it or kick yourself over it. What does concern me is the edit warring, and what appears to be frustration as well. I'm not sure what sparked this comment or where, as well as this one, but it appears that there's been an extensive discussion between WarMachineWildThing and LM2000 here. I must be missing something... what exactly turned (what seemed to be) a peaceful discussion into this? :-( ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 15:54, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

A user with 9 months and 3000+ edits who was not involved in the discussion closed and moved per consensus. Davey who was involved in the discussion reopened and reverted move stating new user shouldn't have moved or closed even though consensus was to move because he wasn't here long enough for his standards. A action neither I or LM2000 agreed with. Involved users shouldn't be reopening or reverting moves it's a conflict of interest no matter if they support or oppose. It was only done because it was a new user, because as Davey stated above "Vets are always right", which is not true. This attitude towards new users is why they leave. This will be my final and only response to this. Chris "WarMachineWildThing" ^{Talk to me} 16:26, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

As I've said I'd reverted the closure and reverted the move because yes it was closed by a newbie - Not because I agree/disagree with the consensus, I'm not saying "new editors shouldn't close things" or "their opinion/actions mean jack" - Simply put big discussions like the above should be closed by someone experienced or an admin (I've only just noticed the IP closure - IPs should never close discussions - If they want to be a trusted user here they should create an account, Now the next closer "TheMagnificentist" simply closed the discussion with "Discussion closed as move supported." - That's an insufficient reason - Generally closure comments should be expanded so everything is weighed etc etc),

As a side note racking up 3k edits in less than a year doesn't make you knowledgeable of this place - You could rack up 70k in less than a year but you're still be a newbie in my book especially when you haven't contributed to any of the Wiki spaces or various things here,

Chris - You really shouldn't be taking all of this to heart - New editors helping here is always appreciated and we encourage newbies to dive in an help whereever possible however in this case this was something that should've been left to an experienced editor or admin, Thanks, –Davey2010^Talk 16:29, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

Counter-Vandalism

Hey Oshwah, today I started using Huggle, which is a lovely tool for counter-vandalism and has superinflated my edit counter by a few hundred edits in the past couple hours. I am not kidding. I can see how you managed to pull off 100,000 edits using Huggle. I won't lie, I am always quite amazed when I look at your monthly total and it's over ten thousand - never understood how till today. Anyway, over the past couple hours or so I along with probably a few other editors have been fighting an IP hopping vandal. Since you have a very large amount of experience in this field I had two questions for you. First, do you know of an LTA or known vandal whose sole action on Wikipedia is to insert "derp" on random articles - that one editor has accounted for a third of my huggle use? and second, how do you avoid misclicks/misfires when chasing a prolific vandal doing about two or three vandalizing edits in mere seconds? I've done about 358 rollbacks over the past 2/3 hours and have misfired by my count 4 times total. Now, percentage wise that seems pretty good; 4/358 = 1.1% and I've fixed all four misfires within a couple minutes by self-reverting so that no damage was done except for potential pings of innocent people. For that matter, for the time being I refuse to use "Q" on huggle so that I don't send an unfortunate warning as well, instead if I need to I go to their talk page and twinkle them a notification. Thanks for your time. Cheers, Mr rnddude (talk) 17:17, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) @Mr rnddude: Personally, when dealing with a prolific vandal working at high speed, to avoid misfiring I tend to "O"pen one of their edits in a browser tab, then go to their contributions, refresh and rollback when needed. (Then once they hop to a different account or IP, it's back to Huggle until you come across them again. Rinse and repeat, rinse and repeat) Only works when they make at least a few edits per account/IP before hopping, of course, and for proper efficiency, preferably they're so blatantly trolls/socks/evading that you can actually AIV-report them on first edit without going through the whole warning routine. Alternatively, if they're best recognizable by their edit summaries, keeping an eye on the Special:RecentChanges page can help, and when the vandal is an account-hopper rather than IP, the newuser creation log if you've got a bit of a feel for what kind of usernames are likely them. AddWittyNameHere (talk) 18:13, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the response AddWittyNameHere, personally they're most recognizable by the size of their edit (+5 bytes). At first they were hopping from page to page, but, at some point they settled on edit warring at one article. Danny Napoleon is the best example in this case. They switched to a different article after a while but kept returning to Danny Napoleon. The contributions idea is an excellent one though. The only reason I misfired on Huggle (that I noticed) is that a couple times their edits were dealt with so fast that I was actually on the edit right after theirs instead of theirs. I did notice that they were being reported at AIV by other editors - still are in fact -, AIV is on my watchlist as are many of the admin noticeboard. Mr rnddude (talk) 18:24, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

Mr rnddude Yes, that's how I've been finding them the past few occurrences as well (I started helping out after seeing your post)--edit summary size through recent changes log. The positive of rollback-through-contributions is that with vandal-only users, it's impossible to misfire. (All of their edits are rollback-worthy, so you can't hit the wrong one, and if someone else already has rolled back the edit, you simply get a message the edit couldn't be rolled back). AddWittyNameHere (talk) 18:27, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

Well, I'm passing the baton on to you then. I was at it for two hours and am taking the rest of the day off from derpy. Thanks for the advice and responses. Cheers, Mr rnddude (talk) 18:50, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

Hi Mr rnddude! Thanks for messaging me with your Huggle questions. Since you're new to Huggle, my biggest recommendation is to avoid using any hotkeys until you've become familiar with the interface and how each button works, what actions they do, if such action asks you for confirmation first, and when (if applicable), etc. This is important to do, so that when you're ready and when you do move to start using keyboard hotkeys, you'll already know exactly what happens or what is supposed to happen when you do. Catching vandalism and disruption and knowing if they're from LTA users is more-so gained from memory and experience reporting them in the past, not something that Huggle in itself can help you with. If an IP-hopping vandal is making the exact same edits, it's easy to tell by opening the user's (or IP's) contributions (or by pressing 'C'). Do you see past edits from the pages you remember before, or past warnings from you? If you open up the next instance and it's from a different IP, is it from the same range? This information will be helpful when you make that determination. Please let me know if I can give you any additional tips, help, recommendations, etc regarding Huggle and I'll be happy to do so! Happy vandal patrolling! :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 22:43, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply Oshwah, I figured that aside from the ORES score (which I sure I don't understand at all) and the identifiers in the side panel for types (I guess) of editors - Brown for anonymous, white for registered, blue for trusted, etc - that I wouldn't really be able to easily differentiate between editors without observing patterns of editing (or obviously names and IPs). I brought up the "derp" editor as they were particularly persistent for several hours and regularly hopping IP's all within a similar range. I figured that perhaps this was a more prolific vandal. AIV dealt with quite a number of his IP's and I think a large SPI case was opened as well. You make a good point about the hotkeys, I am using the "r" and "esc" hotkeys, but, with the exception of the derp vandal, only after I've taken a close look at the edits. At least 5-10 seconds even for obvious vandalism. Huggle is actually surprisingly expansive in ability. I didn't expect quite that level of functionality and agree fully that it'll take time getting used to all of the buttons. Thanks for the notification about the "C" key, I'll take a look at it. If I do lament one thing it's that the manual isn't fully comprehensive, but, I can't complain as it did give me enough information to start with - such as a brief overview of most of the panels in Huggle - and I have picked up on a couple of useful things as well from other editors too. Cheers, Mr rnddude (talk) 22:56, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

Mr rnddude - I just blocked the IP that was inserting "derp" into Suicides at the Golden Gate Bridge. Let me know if it continues; it might be a range that needs blocking. ORES! It's awesome! In a nutshell, it's an API endpoint that takes a diff and returns (in our use case) the likelihood that the edit is vandalism. The higher the score, the higher the probability that ORES found. You can also change your Huggle queue to "Filtered edits", and it will sort your queue by ORES score. But, don't let the ORES score get to you. If I change a '0' to a '2' on an edit to an article, the ORES may return very small... but what I might be doing is changing someone's death year from 2012 to 2212 ;-). Aaaaand I see what you mean now. That "derp" editor is definitely IP hopping. I blocked him again and protected the page. ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 23:34, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

Yep, Floquenbeam is complaining about all the electrons we're using to deal with them, haha. Electrons! Won't somebody think of the electrons?! Ah, so the bigger the ORES score the more likely the edit is problematic, I read that backwards. I kept seeing negative scores and thinking, well, these should be questionable, but, they're quite good edits. Thanks again Oshwah :) Mr rnddude (talk) 00:08, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for your thanks!

		The Wikipedia Motivation Barnstar
		I noticed you are always thanking users for their good edits, so here's to you for always motivating other Wikipedians! -glove- (talk) 18:36, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

-glove-! Thanks for the barnstar, man! I really appreciate it! Thanking others for good edits only takes a second but goes so so far :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 03:47, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

Did no one catch this...

[17] --JustBerry (talk) 04:23, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Yes, you did :). Adam9007 (talk) 04:26, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

Ouch! Good catch! lol ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 03:47, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

Huggle

Hi Oshwah. I was wondering if you'd updated Huggle yet? It seems I need to create a bot password in order to continue using it (apparently it is more secure that way). However, I am incredibly confused. I am on a page in which I have to allow access to certain functions, but I am unsure what functions to allow or disallow (it is allowing me to tick things like CheckUser and blocking, which I cannot do normally). What should I do? (Feel free to email me, if you'd prefer.) Thanks in advance, Patient Zero^talk 16:12, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

Ah, a bit less panicking and a bit more thorough reading seems to have solved my query. My apologies sir! Patient Zero^talk 16:15, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Yeah, it is a little confusing at first. Apparently, the bot password operates under whatever permissions your account has, minus what permissions you have specifically not checked in the bot password interface. The Bot Password can't be used to login to Wikipedia itself, so if your bot password for Huggle is stolen, your Wikipedia account is safe and you can simply login at Special:BotPasswords and disable the "bot" (aka the person using Huggle with your bot password. — Gestrid (talk) 23:50, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

I've only just seen your message sorry, thank you Gestrid for your explanation. In basic terms the bot password idea sounds like a good one. :-) Patient Zero^talk 18:36, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

Last deed before I go......

My last good deed before I go. This user has been disruptivly moving the WWE World Championship article to WWE, Championship & now WWE ChampionshiP. The Article should have been moved to WWE Championship. User has been told by myself and another user to stop as they have now screwed up the move twice, please note this is NOT a new user but a user that has been here since 2013, so they should know better as they are not a newbie. Chris "WarMachineWildThing" ^{Talk to me} 02:40, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

Mail call

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Speedy deletion nomination of User talk:ENG - Expert Network Group, LLC

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@CAPTAIN RAJU: Please check the page history before adding a CSD tag. It may be, as in this case, that a spam edit simply needs to be reverted. 🎄BethNaught (talk)🎄 23:14, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

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