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Deletion of gibberish sandbox of blocked user?

User:Sandakuru/sandbox is a sandbox on an indeffed user. Normally I don't CSD those because I've never gotten a clear answer on whether or not run of the mill UP like sandboxes of vandals and socks are supposed to be procedurally deleted or not. However, this page contains odder ramblings including but not limited to slang words for vaginas. I was wondering if you take a look an advise me whether or not something along this line should be G10d in the future. Thanks, L3X1 (distænt write) 01:55, 2 October 2017 (UTC)

L3X1 - It was G3'd, and (as far as I've read) would be better as a G3 than a G10. Either way, that page definitely needed to go :-). ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 14:12, 3 October 2017 (UTC)

Revision deletion request

I found this revision disturbing, can you delete this Revision: [1] Thanks! Gary "Roach" Sanderson (talk) 11:04, 2 October 2017 (UTC)

Gary "Roach" Sanderson -  Done. ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 14:10, 3 October 2017 (UTC)

Tom petty

Tom petty just passed away — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.64.92.254 (talk • contribs) 15:58, 2 October 2017 (UTC)

(by talk page stalker) Still a little early for that claim. Chris Troutman (talk) 20:00, 2 October 2017 (UTC)

There are sources now, of course. But at the time, were were none. This is why I removed the template from that page after protection was applied. Since this article is a biography of a living person, we must be careful with how we assert and formulate content - especially when it comes to one's death or a claim of such. Please let me know if you have any more questions. Best -- ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 14:08, 3 October 2017 (UTC)

Laughable

That's enough, guys Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 08:54, 3 October 2017 (UTC)
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
So you consider a small message of support, effectively invisible all but TRM and stalkers of my edits, to be inappropriate, but the grave-dancing trolls on Gorilla Warfare's talk page you'll ignore? Is it because of double standards, or because they are your fellow admins? I wait with baited breath for you to remove their trolling. – SchroCat (talk) 21:03, 2 October 2017 (UTC) Watch out Oshwah, next they'll check how many mainspace edits you have and use that as an ad hominem. Laughable really -- There'sNoTime (to explain) 07:10, 3 October 2017 (UTC) Was there any need to interject with second-rate trolling? My comment is an apt one for Oshwah; your drama-mongering is inexplicable. - SchroCat (talk) 07:56, 3 October 2017 (UTC) Do you want that IP redacted/OS'd? On another note, I was making light of a frankly ridiculous situation - perhaps you need to either lighten up, or go find something better to do with your time. You clearly do it For Free Encyclopedia -- There'sNoTime (to explain) 07:59, 3 October 2017 (UTC) When I want advice from disruptive editors, I'll ask for it. (As for doing better things with my time, I could have saved the time and effort replying to your comments if I had read DNFTT, I suppose, but my edit record in building an encylopaedia here speaks for itself; I would not like to speculate on exactly you have been doing with your time.) I have no idea what the rest of your comment is about; perhaps you could put "You clearly do it For Free Encyclopedia" into some proper form of English. - SchroCat (talk) 08:37, 3 October 2017 (UTC) Oh for fucks sake, stop with the "look at me with my content" bullshit - I contribute to Wikipedia in the areas I enjoy working in. I don't overly enjoy writing. I applaud those who do. The only laughable thing here is your misplaced zealotry - go wave your self important flag somewhere someone gives a shit -- There'sNoTime (to explain) 08:43, 3 October 2017 (UTC) I apologise, that was personal -- There'sNoTime (to explain) 08:49, 3 October 2017 (UTC) You can strike your first sentence too. - SchroCat (talk) 09:44, 3 October 2017 (UTC) Thank you There'sNoTime; that was much appreciated. - SchroCat (talk) 11:11, 3 October 2017 (UTC)

An I.P address is destroying the “Kalki” wikipedia article.

Link: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:History/Kalki

So far the i.p address has

• vandalised
• engaged in revert war
• attacked personal talk pages
• used gibberish as the reason for their edits

Honestly, Dude seems to be retarded. Hoping you protect the page in the meantime. Thank you. ShotgunMavericks ❯❯❯   🕊✍🏻 12:26, 3 October 2017 (UTC)

ShotgunMavericks - It looks like that page is protected now. If the disruption continues after the protection expires, file an AIV report and we'll take a look at it. If you have questions, let me know and I'll be happy to answer them. Cheers :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 14:07, 3 October 2017 (UTC)

Tom Waits genre

Hi, I am inviting past editors of the Tom Waits article to contribute to the discussion at Talk:Tom_Waits#Genres. I am in dispute with User:TheOldJacobite, who has reverted even my sourced changes and ignored my appeals to discuss the issue. Please express your opinion on the issue if it interests you.--MASHAUNIX 18:04, 3 October 2017 (UTC)

How to proceed?

Some French biologist has been, apparently, accused of sexual harassment. Not sure if the source is RS. Opened ticket on BLPN, but the person adding the info can't read instructions and just edit wars. Nobody is paying attention. :o( Suggestions? Help? Thanks Jim1138 (talk) 18:26, 5 October 2017 (UTC)

Getting some comments there! Jim1138 (talk) 01:30, 6 October 2017 (UTC)

Hi Jim1138 - Sorry for the late response. Life has kept me busy :-). Are you still in need of assistance here? Let me know - ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 19:18, 7 October 2017 (UTC)

Thanks, things seem to be resolved for now. Cheers Jim1138 (talk) 19:33, 7 October 2017 (UTC)

Jim1138 - You bet. ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 19:36, 7 October 2017 (UTC)

WP:SNOW or WP:NOTNOW RFA

Can you take a look at Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Paul2520? There's no way he's going to pass this, and a close under WP:SNOW or WP:NOTNOW would probably be helpful, as it will prevent all the pile-on opposes. We probably don't want to discourage him. ThePlatypusofDoom (talk) 18:18, 6 October 2017 (UTC)

ThePlatypusofDoom - Hey, sorry for the late response. It looks like the RfA has already closed (which is good - stack-on opposes can really be a let-down to someone. It can be quite discouraging...). Thanks for the message about this - let me know if you need me for anything else and I'll be happy to help. Best -- ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 19:14, 7 October 2017 (UTC)

back from your block for incivility, at it again

Just a few days after being released from your last block for incivility, he's made 3 edits to user talk pages. Here are two of them: [2], [3] Toddst1 (talk) 17:52, 7 October 2017 (UTC)

"To user talk pages"? Both those examples are from his own page  :) — fortunavelut luna 18:03, 7 October 2017 (UTC)

Yep. And that's what he's saying. I've brought it to ANI. Toddst1 (talk) 18:57, 7 October 2017 (UTC)

Toddst1 - Good. I'd say ANI is the right place to go. Let me know if you need anything else :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 19:19, 7 October 2017 (UTC)

I could use some input there. Toddst1 (talk) 20:40, 7 October 2017 (UTC)

Toddst1 - Okay, let me take a look... ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 22:45, 7 October 2017 (UTC)

.io game

I know this is really late, considering when the deletion took place, but would you mind restoring .io game to draftspace? I think I can work with that concept, and make an article. Thanks, Jjjjjjdddddd (talk) 06:29, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Jjjjjjdddddd — Ello, I believe an admin will be able to restore that page for you shortly, Oshwah appears to be a bit busy at the moment. Let me ask around on your behalf. Ⓩⓟⓟⓘⓧ _Talk 15:08, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

Jjjjjjdddddd — There'sNoTime has restored it to User:Jjjjjjdddddd/.io game Ⓩⓟⓟⓘⓧ _Talk 15:14, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

Tasty beer!

A tasty drink to, welcome this random Sunday, and compliments, too. Waggie (talk) 16:26, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

Thanks Waggie! :-D ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 23:53, 9 October 2017 (UTC)

Wikicology

You have got to be kidding. You have advocated for Wikicology's return to Wikipedia? Who is going to clean up all 500 of the blatantly misleading, incorrect, and falsely cited articles that Wikicology created? Softlavender (talk) 20:07, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Softlavender (talk) 21:34, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

I've decided to withdraw my offer looking at the evidence supplied and the strong and numerous arguments in opposition to the move. Thanks for posting your concerns - I think you helped me (and the community) dodge a bullet! haha! ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 01:26, 9 October 2017 (UTC)

Thanks, Oshwah. No worries. He targets "nice" admins who don't know his backstory and sells them a bill of goods. I'm very sorry you got caught in the net. Meanwhile, treat yourself to something nice – and keep up your great admin work! We really appreciate you, as always .... Softlavender (talk) 01:50, 9 October 2017 (UTC)

Softlavender: In all fairness, I think (and I'm sure the whole community thinks) Oshwah had good intentions. I'm all for welcoming back editors that have matured after, say, engaging in vandalism - but WC was site-banned for a good reason. It goes to show, in my opinion, that age does not necessarily equal maturity - we do, after all, have some great young editors on here (and even Oshwah was at one point!) As for you Oshwah, don't kick yourself: it happens to the best of us (Winterysteppe springs to mind). Hope you're doing good IRL, and take care. Patient Zero^talk 13:20, 9 October 2017 (UTC)

PatientZero, I have no idea why you are assuming that I either felt or implied that Oshwah had anything but good intentions. Oshwah is a friend and I know what motivates him. Softlavender (talk) 22:00, 9 October 2017 (UTC)

Softlavender, no, not at all, I'm simply agreeing with you that he did. I know Oshwah is a friend of yours: it just struck me as odd that you took him to ANI to deal with the matter when you could've discussed it here. Still though, at least it's been sorted out now. Patient Zero^talk 08:29, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

PatientZero, I have no idea why you are assuming that I "took [Oshwah] to ANI". Please stop accusing me of actions and intentions which are totally false. Softlavender (talk) 09:30, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

Softlavender: literally speaking, you did. ANI is for grievances between editors, and your rhetorical questioning of him in your first sentence here gave me the impression you were not happy with his actions. Patient Zero^talk 12:42, 11 October 2017 (UTC)

Come now, children. Everyone knows that Oshwah is re-energised by my accidentally dubbing him "Oshwash". It's quite simple -- if you feel an overwhelming need to argue as to whose friend you are, or whose friend you have or have not insulted, just replace part of their name with "wash". Other than that, chill out. Oshwash has, and so will you. MPS1992 (talk) 23:28, 11 October 2017 (UTC)

"Oshwash"... now that's hilarious! I had a good laugh with that one :-). I'll take the reigns and jump in here (maybe I should have done so sooner - I apologize) and say this: No, I don't take it personally at all that the discussion went to ANI. Nope, I'm not upset with anybody. And no, I'm not offended nor do I think anybody did anything wrong. If I fuck up or do something that you legitimately feel needs to be brought to ANI, by all means... you will not upset me and I will not take it personally if you drag my ass there. Part of my responsibility and my duty is to serve you - the community and my judgment and my decisions should reflect such. Now, that doesn't mean that we'll have our disagreements or that I'll enforce policy if I need to (I'm sure you know that). I'm not perfect, and I will never ever be. I just want you to understand that I try to be inclusive, open, respectful, and offer help to anyone - but if you feel that it's a bad idea (such as this case), I have a completely open door policy. I hope that you can feel comfortable coming to me directly with concerns, but if you don't... I encourage you to speak up and say something! If anything, you're doing me (and more importantly, the community) a huge favor. ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 00:32, 12 October 2017 (UTC)

I was one of Wikicology's biggest detractors, back in the day, so just a quick note that I don't think you did anything wrong, either as Oshwah or as Oshwash. Being open to new possibilities is always a good thing. This possibility did not turn out to be a possibility, but, no big deal at all. MPS1992 (talk) 00:42, 12 October 2017 (UTC)

PatientZero, please stop your bullshit. I did not take Oshwah to ANI. I notified him here that I had opened a discussion on ANI regarding an issue with which he was involved, as my notification states. I did not assume that Oshwah had anything but good-faith intentions, and your original post here was clearly a correction addressed to me implying that I had assumed otherwise, which you then denied even though your wording and linkage was clear. Softlavender (talk) 02:14, 12 October 2017 (UTC)

I have no interest in continuing this discussion with you if you are going to resort to incivility. I have made myself clear in the sense that I was not correcting you nor was I assuming bad faith. Thank you, Oshwah - your response is very much appreciated. And as for MPS1992, thanks for attempting to mediate the situation. I shall be gracious and not respond any further to this conversation. Patient Zero^talk 09:47, 12 October 2017 (UTC)

This is what you wrote: "Softlavender: In all fairness, I think (and I'm sure the whole community thinks) Oshwah had good intentions." -- Softlavender (talk) 10:07, 12 October 2017 (UTC)

editing

Dear Oshwah

I feel that you are mistaken about me editing Bobby Flay's article, as I have not visited his wikipedia site. Based on that, I have not made an error.

Sincerely,

Andrew Donovna — Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.19.252.155 (talk) 21:48, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) This edit (the link to which was given at your talk page) suggests you did edit the page. Eagleash (talk) 21:57, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

@Eagleash: how long ago do you think that edit was made? MPS1992 (talk) 00:24, 9 October 2017 (UTC)

@MPS1992: Just under 3 weeks. Why? Eagleash (talk) 03:38, 9 October 2017 (UTC)

@Eagleash: three weeks ago. Based on the statement made by Andrew above, what conclusions can you draw from these circumstances? MPS1992 (talk) 22:26, 9 October 2017 (UTC)

That the evidence suggests an edit was made from that IP, which is a static address. I'm sure Osh would have checked and added the usual disclaimers if it were otherwise. Eagleash (talk) 22:41, 9 October 2017 (UTC)

@Eagleash: are you suggesting that Oshwash would have made a checkuser check based on what has been said in this thread? MPS1992 (talk) 00:43, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

@Eagleash: also, are you ignorant of the fact that Oshwash quite specifically did add a usual disclaimer, specifically Some IP addresses change periodically, and may be shared by several users? MPS1992 (talk) 00:47, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

Please do not ping me again in regard to this matter. Your obsession with it is concerning. There are no disclaimers at the IP's TP. I'm sure Osh did all his usual checks before leaving the original warning. It seems unlikely that the IP address would be re-allocated in such short time to another user who just coincidentally came on to Wikipedia and only posted at this TP. Eagleash (talk) 01:27, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

• Andrew Donovna, the edit was made from the IP that you used to leave a message here. Whether that was you or not is another matter. Eagleash, none of this really matters a lot. Thank you, Drmies (talk) 01:30, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

@Drmies: Agreed, I don't get why MPS1992 is so concerned with it. Eagleash (talk) 01:35, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

I don't know--maybe the same reason that you were? Drmies (talk) 01:48, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

Well, the page was on my watchlist some 'yonks' ago, I think. No idea why now! So when I saw the post at Osh's TP I decided to comment. I did not expect an odd sort of response from a seemingly uninvolved editor. Eagleash (talk) 02:20, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

• (talk page stalker) I do like the new nickname, tho. "Oshwash". Osh can add that to his collection. Softlavender (talk) 03:10, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

• Apologies to Oshwah, my vision must be going -- I have only ever read his nickname as "Oshwash". Which sounds better anyway, of course. MPS1992 (talk) 18:06, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

Overenthusiastic reversion of edits to Daniel Lyons article

While I agree with your reversion of some recent material in the Daniel Lyons article, I think reverting 804122343 was an error on your part.

The article body and references do indeed amply support the statement that Lyons is best known, at least at the present time, for his series of major "mea culpa" reversals and apologies for errors in his journalism. In light of recent revelations and news about Lyons, your reverting the article all the way back to WWB's version which does not mention these facts about Lyons at all in its opening paragraphs renders it unbalanced. I believe you should restore the content of 804122343 to the article body. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tls (talk • contribs) 00:41, 9 October 2017 (UTC)

Tls - The reversion I made here removed unreferenced BLP violations. There were other edits that contained violations that were from anonymous users, which is why I added pending changes protection to the article. Please let me know if you have any more questions, and Ill be happy to answer them. ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 20:14, 9 October 2017 (UTC)

October 2017

Hello User:Oshwah. As you are the administrator who blocked the last sockpuppets (see Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Sleeping is fun/Archive#07 September 2017), could you please block the new sockpuppets (see Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Inevitaaaron)? I do not wish to seem impatient, but I filed the investigation 4 days ago and it has been listed by User:Sro23 as awaiting administrative action to block the sockpuppets for over 36 hours yet the sockpuppets remain active. Hrodvarsson (talk) 11:53, 9 October 2017 (UTC)

Hrodvarsson -  Done. ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 20:15, 9 October 2017 (UTC)

Yes, I saw that User:BU Rob13 blocked the accounts shortly after I created this section. I do not know if that was a coincidence or if BU Rob13 has your talk page on their watchlist. Regardless, thanks for the response. Have a nice day! Hrodvarsson (talk) 20:21, 9 October 2017 (UTC)

He probably does - many people do. No problem; you as well :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 21:41, 9 October 2017 (UTC)

User talk:Banecrow

Just wanted to get your input. I intend to shortly unblock User talk:Banecrow, an account you blocked sometime ago for a promotional username. If you have any objections, please let me know. He seems to understand the prior problems. No one has responded to his requests for a long time, and I'm trying to clear the backlogs at CAT:UNB. Thanks! --Jayron32 19:45, 11 October 2017 (UTC)

Jayron32 - I have no objections :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 19:51, 11 October 2017 (UTC)

Dodgy userpage

Hi,

I saw this yesterday. The page falsely claims the user is an admin. I left them a warning but nothing seems to have happened. Does any action need to be taken yet (or ever)? Cheers. Adam9007 (talk) 00:50, 12 October 2017 (UTC)

I've just come across another one. New account but claims to have been here for over 10 years. I suspect it's been copied from somewhere. Edit: it's copied from User:Niceguyedc. If so, is this actionable? Adam9007 (talk) 23:31, 12 October 2017 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) WP:IMPERSONATION and WP:ATTRIBUTION / WP:CWW spring to mind. — fortunavelut luna 23:39, 12 October 2017 (UTC)

Another one. Do you reckon this is WP:999-worthy? Also, the username seems a tad suspicious. Adam9007 (talk) 18:31, 16 October 2017 (UTC)

It looks like the admin userbox issue has been [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Nativepurps&diff=804934707&oldid=804754515 resolved. Adam9007 - My thought is that if you even question whether or not we should contact the emergency team, you should contact them. Always better to be safe than sorry, especially when it comes to threats of harm. ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 00:10, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

I've just emailed it to emergency just in case. Adam9007 (talk) 00:20, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

Adam9007 - Good call. Here is a quote of what I said on my talk page to someone who asked about reporting an incident to the emergency team back in July (with some changes); I think it fits here as well: "Yes... I am 99% sure that this is trolling. Of course. The important thing that we must understand is that we are neither trained nor qualified to make the determination when it comes to the validity of threats of harm and if they're serious. The guidelines state that we must take every threat (such as this) as if they were made with full merit and with serious intentions. Sigh... yes, I feel like I'm wasting the emergency team's time with 95% of the reports I submit, but this is our responsibility and we must do so."

I also took another look at the user page with the administrator userbox and found this quote: "This person is a computer administrator and can help with technical problems." I'm starting to think that maybe this person just didn't understand that a computer administrator and a Wikipedia administrator are two distinctly different things and was just trying to add a userbox to say that he was a computer admin. Let me know if you need anything else :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 01:21, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

I'm starting to think that maybe this person just didn't understand that a computer administrator and a Wikipedia administrator are two distinctly different things and was just trying to add a userbox to say that he was a computer admin It's possible, but the page was also going on about banning people. Here is a quote of what I said on my talk page to someone That someone was, amongst others, me . Adam9007 (talk) 02:23, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

Adam9007 - Yeah, I went through the account's user page history and saw that too. It gave me pause as well, but who knows... maybe the user doesn't understand the difference between a block and a ban here. If you think about it, our definition of a "ban" compared to how most forums, chat and messaging hosts, websites, etc define it is completely different. A "block" here is the exact equivalent of what most other sites define as a "ban" - the inability to participate, chat, change, visit, whatever - for a particular amount of time. Obviously, the step down from a "ban" in most other places is a "kick", where they just show you the door but don't tell you to "stay out"... lol :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 02:32, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

I remember that conversation :). I've ran across 3 or 4 UPs copied straight from other admins' pages, and resolved it by contacting the admin and letting them deal with it.L3X1 (distænt write) 16:36, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

L3X1 - That's one way to handle it ;-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 18:02, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

Advice?

Any suggestions on how to proceed with this? user talk:Jim1138#Dragon's Breath (chili pepper) My brain is broken... Thanks Jim1138 (talk) 05:06, 12 October 2017 (UTC)

Hi Jim1138! Let me take a look and see what I can do :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 01:35, 15 October 2017 (UTC)

Hi Oshwah, ever take a look at Dragon's Breath (chili pepper) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)? Cheers Jim1138 (talk) 19:56, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

Jim1138 - Aww crap. I apologize; I let your request slip through my to-do list. I'll take a look as soon as I can and get back to you. ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 20:04, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

Jim1138 - I just commented on the discussion with my input. In a nutshell, I think the user is adding lots of details and a simple response will steer things in the right direction, which is what I went with. If there's a dispute over who originally discovered or developed this plant, we use content that is stated in the sources provided. Are there other questions or disputes that I may have skipped over? Let me know. ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 20:58, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

The sources are a bit conflicted. I think one did add a correction, but not the others. Thanks for your two bits. I wanted someone else to chime in besides me. Cheers Jim1138 (talk) 21:03, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

Draft Oshwah Movement

Have you seen Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Arbitration Committee Elections December 2017/Electoral Commission? I'm starting a Draft Oshwah Movement. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 09:31, 12 October 2017 (UTC)

NinjaRobotPirate - LOL. ArbCom? Me? Eww boy... I haven't seen the page nor thought about it honestly. Hmm..... :-P ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 01:34, 15 October 2017 (UTC)

It's kind of a forum moderator position for the Arbcom elections, though there seem to be some technical aspects to it, too. So, it's not quite as bad as running for Arbcom. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 11:22, 15 October 2017 (UTC)

Sock protection

Hey Oshwah, those articles you've been protecting about those historical battles, I'm protecting them for a year. There is no harm in doing this, and if next year he comes back I'm protecting them indefinitely. He's making these little bitty edits (flags, cn tags) to get autoconfirmed so he can edit the ones he's really interested in... Thanks, Drmies (talk) 01:15, 15 October 2017 (UTC)

Drmies - Go for it! Thanks for doing that! :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 01:33, 15 October 2017 (UTC)

Archives

Do you think you could add a searchbox to your talkpage archives? For those of us who want to, you know, search stuff. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:19, 16 October 2017 (UTC)

(talk page gnome) I imagine a userbox: "This editor likes searching Oshwah's userspace. Do you?" If it's not a joke, such search boxes can be placed anywhere including on your user pages, of course... Hmm in this case these manual archives are not under User_talk:Oshwah/* but directly under User:Oshwah/*. If considered useful, the following (see source to copy/move) should allow searching them (including other subpages and excluding this talk page, however):

—PaleoNeonate – 16:35, 16 October 2017 (UTC)

I'm not joking, but I will consider adding that userbox. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:04, 16 October 2017 (UTC)

I don't mind at all. Don't know what you're looking for in particular, but hey - my userpages are a completely open book :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 00:06, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

Gråbergs Gråa Sång - Thanks for the suggestion! I spent the last hour re-organizing my entire talk page archive and re-located them all to their own subpage within my user space... and I added a search box to the archive template above. Hopefully that'll make things easier for you (or others) to search through my archives. Cheers :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)}

A thanks to PaleoNeonate for the response and code as well :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 07:49, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

Welcome, —PaleoNeonate – 08:30, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

Thank you! Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:16, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

IP edit warring

Hi Oshwah, could you (or a watching admin) take a look at this IP's contributions? They are just coming off of a week's block for edit warring, and are falling into the same pattern again. They haven't exceeded 3RR yet since the block on any individual article, but it's not a good sign. Thanks. - BilCat (talk) 23:28, 16 October 2017 (UTC)

BilCat - Can do. ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 00:06, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

Thanks. - BilCat (talk) 00:13, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

thx

thx for the warning. i wont do it again ;) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lucid attempt (talk • contribs) 07:14, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

Something tells me that you've been around here before, given the fact that your edit here is very similar in behavior... this might be my cue to look into this deeper... ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 07:19, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

But, but, but...

I wanna be a bot! Jim1138 (talk) 07:51, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

Me too. Let me know if you find a way :-P ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 07:53, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

I think my brain will fit into a 128kB floppy on my Apple ][ and the 6502 will out-perform my current hardware! Jim1138 (talk) 07:57, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

Shoot, I'm pretty certain that this goes for me as well ;-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 10:05, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

Doug Waterhouse

Dear Oshwah,

My name is Annika and Jon, Doug's son is my godfather. he always tells me stories of his father and mother but has a habit of leaving out details which is why so little information was provided.

I would be glad to let my godfather, Jon, write about his father himself but unfortunately, he is in the hospital with kidney stones.

Sorry for any inconvenience — Preceding unsigned comment added by 49.195.112.199 (talk) 09:47, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

Hi there, and thank you for leaving me a message regarding the edit you made here to Doug Waterhouse. I understand that you have personal experience and knowledge regarding this person due to your claim of being in relation to the subject. While it's tempting to simply add and update information to this article, it's not something that should be done if the only source or reference you can provide to back up the claims are... well, yourself. This is what is known as original research -- adding content to a Wikipedia article based solely off of your research (be it experience, personal knowledge, writings, reports, or even published sources or articles). Original research is not allowed on Wikipedia. Your edits are also not in compliance with Wikipedia's guidelines on conflict of interest, since you claim to be closely related to the subject. I highly recommend that you review the two policies and guidelines I listed here, and let me know if you have any questions about them. Thanks again for the message and I appreciate your understanding. Best -- ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 10:05, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

mistake

i am sorry Oshwah that was a mistake.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Princesafi.wiki (talk • contribs) 10:40, 17 October 2017 (UTC) 

Hi, I apologize for the editing on how to kill a mockingbird

My little brother messed with my computer. I promise it won't happen again — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.110.138.235 (talk) 18:28, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

Wikipedia:My little brother did it. You can't make this stuff up. Chris Troutman (talk) 18:30, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

(talk page gnome) @Chris troutman: Hmm I noticed the static-IP address tag but I doubt it, considering dyn is found in the hostname. Any other evidence that it may be? Some dynamic addresses can still be assigned a while to a connection however, often needing a modem reboot/connection reset to refresh it... This is of course unrelated to the brother claim. Thanks, —PaleoNeonate – 18:48, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

PaleoNeonate - In this case (residential ISP with direct IP allocation), that usually just means that the IP isn't static and that if the user changes their modem's MAC (or disconnects it long enough for the lease to expire and go back into the DHCP pool), they'll be allocated a new IP. I wouldn't put too much in-depth thought into this IP... I'm pretty confident that this won't happen ;-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 18:53, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

Direct allocation there could mean that the 75.108.0.0/14 block was directly assigned to Suddenlink Communications. But it's not a huge issue either and indeed changes nothing in relation to the editor's contributions. —PaleoNeonate – 18:56, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

@PaleoNeonate: whatismyipaddress.com says it's static. That's what I go by since I know nothing else from a technical point of view. Chris Troutman (talk) 22:03, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

@Chris troutman: thanks for the information, —PaleoNeonate – 22:35, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

The real filth

See the SPI I mention at the bottom of [4] Doug Weller talk 19:23, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

Doug Weller - Oh, joy... Interesting. I scrolled down the SPI and quickly looked through the IPs reported in the archives. I'm wondering (since this obviously is not the only IP range this guy bounces though) if these IPs from the school range I mentioned on your talk page are proxies or VPNs? Again, I haven't ran any of the other IPs listed at the SPI, so there may be things I'm not seeing yet until I do. I do call this into question, as well as whether or not we should see if they are and take action from there... ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 19:33, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

You've got mail

Hello. Please check your email; you've got mail!
It may take a few minutes from the time the email is sent for it to show up in your inbox. You can at any time by removing the {{You've got mail}} or {{ygm}} template. Doug Weller talk 20:00, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

"Peshawar museum" page

Hi, I have seen that you removed my edit from the "Peshawar museum" page. I think that this is a mistake, since the information that I reported can be of great utility for the reader, being the museum in question a very important one for Gandahar art. I made the edit for two reasons: one is that I was seriously pissed off when I myself tried to visit the museum with no result (and it was the main reason for my visit to Peshawar), since nobody had modified the page in question like I tried to do; the other is that during my stay in Pakistan I learnt about a scholar who was coming from Englad to study that museum and again, I wished somebody could have told him beforehand. — Preceding unsigned comment added by FrancescoNapoli (talk • contribs) 22:24, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

An Apple for you!

	The Granny Smith Apple Barnstar
	Thanks for helping me pick out the correct kind of Apple! -- Dane talk 00:53, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

Dane - You bet! Let me know how the recipe goes! :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 00:54, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

It was really good! I highly recommend it. Powers more Wikipedia editing! -- Dane ^talk 01:55, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

reverted edit.

Oswah says that it "seemed" not neutral, while actually is just its own personal opinion too or following some censurship lines.

Let the real debatt and discussion and edits to take place.

One click archive

Thanks mate

Isn't the script supposed to do it all automatically ? Nof9 (talk) 02:17, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

Hi Nof9! No problem. Correct - it's supposed to automatically remove the old content from the source page and add the old content to a target archive page for you in one user interaction, but it looks like it removed the content from WP:ANI, but never added it to an archive page (which is why I reverted things back). ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 02:21, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

OK I will do it manually. Keeping my fingers crossed. The 72 hours sigmabot archiver also seems stopped. Nof9 (talk) 02:24, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

Nof9 - I see that your account is just a few days old (welcome to Wikipedia, by the way! :-D). Because of this, and the fact that WP:ANI is a noticeboard that is highly watched and contributed to - I highly caution you and highly recommend that you consider waiting to perform any kind of clerking or administrative cleanup / actions on this noticeboard... at least until you become proficient with Wikipedia, the various automated tools, and (most importantly) Wikipedia's basic policies and guidelines first. ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 02:31, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for all the help. But isn't a highly watched and read notice board the best place new editors can assist in to benefit other wikipedia users by clerking and cleanup and so our mistakes can be speedily detected and corrected. Nof9 (talk) 02:36, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

Nof9, I will never tell you that you shouldn't be bold and make Wikipedia better - after all, it's one of our deepest principles. However, I think that you should start small and don't let yourself bite off more than you can chew, and that what you're doing is exactly that and extremely so. The fact that A) you're very new here, B) you're attempting to practice and use one of Wikipedia's many powerful automated tools that will jump and do what you tell it to do (even if it makes a huge mess), and C) the page that you'd like to use it to modify is one of Wikipedia's most highly watched and contributed-to noticeboards that handle Wikipedia's highest level of issues and incidents - will will definitely get you into hot water "for being careless" if you make a mess there. Practice and become proficient with things in small or sandbox areas so that any mistakes you make won't make a big mess. That's the smart and right way to build your experience, and in a safe manner that won't disrupt important noticeboards or pages. ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 02:50, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

If you want to grow and learn and become an experienced editor that's highly respected by the community and looked up upon by others - one of the most important things you should do is listen to the input and responses of others (especially long-term editors) and take their advice. If you practice any kind of clerking or automation on WP:ANI, it's going to make a mess and make editors angry. I'm telling you, man.... don't do it! ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 02:54, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
	For your great efforts in keeping Wikipedia free of vandalism! –Miles Edgeworth Talk 02:29, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

Hi Miles Edgeworth! I really appreciate the barnstar and for the kind words. Recent changes patrolling, investigating abuse and sock puppetry, keeping Wikipedia free of trolling and attempts to damage the project, keeping our editors and those that work hard to build it free to be able to do so, and helping and working with new users who legitimately want to learn and grow with us as an editor - is what I enjoy doing the most. I'm glad that (hopefully) it's making some sort of difference here. Thanks again, Miles Edgeworth :-). ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 02:34, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

:(

Awww c'mon. He is. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:1C0:CD01:7852:6DEF:B6B:579F:DB02 (talk) 05:06, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

On your removing

Hi, Oshwah I have witnessed this event and that is how it went. please do not remove all the changes — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sitaphul (talk • contribs) 10:54, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

Hi Sitaphul, and thanks for leaving me a message here. What you're describing is original research. Things such as "I saw it", or "I live here", or "I personally know the person" - do not qualify as reliable sources within Wikipedia articles. Please take time to review these policies and guidelines and let me know if you have any questions. Best -- ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 12:56, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

You made a mistake

Please explain how my change was not constructive. Do you prefer employing propagandistic terminology on Wikipedia? Because technically the word "cult" is considered by many sociologists to be fundamentally pop culture terminology and entirely unconstructive for actual research or greater understanding of these groups. Want to go ahead and remove all references to the word "cult" as well? If removing propagandistic language and replacing with the vernacular "pyramid scheme" is "unconstructive" then I would suggest you reconsider how you're using that term. Correct terminology is fundamentally important. If you don't believe that, what are you doing on here?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.246.175.111 (talk • contribs)

Changing content to call a company a "pyramid scheme" is highly against Wikipedia's policy on reflecting a neutral point of view in article content, and implies highly contentious accusations due to its meaning. This is why I reverted your edit made to the article. ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 12:24, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

I can provide sources for use of that term in this case (Bloomberg, Forbes, etc have covered this story.) It's not my personal point of view. Is quality sourcing also highly against Wikipedia's policy? That would be very odd.

I will also include sourcing for why the term "cult" is no longer used in academic work. Will you please remove all uses of the term "cult" across Wikipedia as well? Does that seem appropriate to you? Again, not a personal opinion- verifiable, real life, fact.

If you have references to cite alongside the content and you neutrally describe the events (such as "described this company as", something like that) - then that should be fine. But changing content in a manner that directly states that the company is one (such as the edit you made) is a different story. There's a huge difference that I hope you see and understand. Let me know if you have any questions or if I can help you with anything else. I'll be happy to do so. ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 12:58, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

CIR?

If you happen to get bored, you might could take a look at this right here. Basically all of their contributions are gibberish essentially indistinguishable from procedurally generated text, and they seem to have managed to waste a ... non-negligible amount of others' time. GMG^talk 13:05, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

Hi GreenMeansGo! I have to say... I like the new username, my friend :-). Ha! Recent changes patrolling never leaves me bored :-P. Ohh man, I definitely see your concerns. This account has a huge talk page list of declines and CSD notices for things like A1 and others. Let me look into how far back this goes and what pages this user's been creating and I'll see what appropriate action to take, or the appropriate place to address this. ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 13:09, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

Much appreciated. Seems a bit too low key for a noticeboard, but... still not really a net positive for an editor like that to be smacking the AfC submission button. GMG^talk 13:11, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

A goat for you!

Thank you for fighting vandlism!

Bobherry Talk Edits 13:44, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

Bobherry - I don't know how to type the sound that a goat makes, but I was going to respond with that, and a big "thanks, man!" :-D ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 13:51, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

BAAAHANKS BBBBAAAOU and your welcome. Lol. Bobherry Talk Edits 13:53, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

Nice! That's a good enough bleat! in my opinion! :-D ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 13:54, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

What would be not constructive

In my edit, I simply explained that the school has closed, and you stated that my edit was not constructive. I would argue that it is not constructive to have old information about a school that no longer exists. Can you explain what would not be constructive about saying that a school has closed in an article?97.77.162.99 (talk) 13:45, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) You removed most of the article which was still important. Lets say it was a print book for example. You can't just recall every copy and change it to its closed now. See where I am going? Bobherry Talk Edits 13:48, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

(edit conflict) - Adding to what Bobherry explained above - your edit here not only removed content, but also made an assertion that was not referenced by a source. The combination of issues that this edit contained let me to revert the changes and message you regarding the problem. ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 13:50, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

Dj Deep page

Hello

I am Cyril Etienne des Rosaies, Dj Deep. I would have liked to kindly ask for your help on getting my page up and running on the English version of Wikipedia. On the French version it is fine, it is me, i started djing with Laurent Garnier in 1988 and have been touring since then, releasing Music and running my label Deeply Rooted. It seems that a German Dj since then has been using the same artist name, as well as a South African DJ also now calling himself Dj Deep. I don't know how to proceed so my page could be up and running? Would it be a possibility to have Dj Deep (DE) and Dj Deep (SA) for the other artists? I believe i am the one who professionally started to work first? Thanks in advance for your help and reply. Best. Cyril — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cyrildeep1234 (talk • contribs)

Hi Cyrildeep1234, and welcome to Wikipedia! It appears that you are the person that this article is about, is that correct? If so, then there are issues regarding Wikipedia's conflict of interest guidelines that you need to read and understand. Basically, you need to separate yourself from this article entirely and contribute to other articles that you don't have a conflict of interest with instead. Let me know if you have any questions about the guideline I linked you to here, and I'll be happy to answer them. On a side note: your edit to the article here was problematic for multiple reasons. Please avoid making edits here if you are the subject of the article. Thanks :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 14:22, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

(by talk page stalker) No worries. It's headed for deletion. I'm glad the subject could point out this apparent error. I might go after the foreign language versions, too. Chris Troutman (talk) 14:24, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

Your block of 104.153.242.106

Should be a school block instead. IP WHOIS tracks back to Education Service Center, 5701 Springdale Road, Austin, TX 78723. –Skywatcher68 (talk) 15:36, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

Hi Skywatcher68 - Good call. I went ahead and added the shared IP edu template to the IP's user talk page so we'll know for next time. Blocks made on an IP for the first time are usually for 31 or 36 hours anyway, so I'll just leave it alone. This is good information to know for possible future blocks made to the IP (hopefully that won't happen) ;-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 15:42, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

sir :)

i was just.... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 103.226.91.134 (talk) 16:03, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

Isn't it nice when they announce themselves?

Referring to 70.118.111.67. :-D –Skywatcher68 (talk) 16:28, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

Join Wiki

May you help me fast? How to join? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Neerajwiki961614 (talk • contribs) 16:29, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

Hi Neerajwiki961614 - Welcome to Wikipedia! You have an account, so you're already a member of the community; you've already joined! Did you need help with something specific? ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 16:34, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

Girls' Generation 2nd opinion on indefinite semi protection

• Girls' Generation (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hello. Yesterday I semi protected this for 1 month on a RFPP request for indefinite protection. I had a request today to reinstate indefinite semi protection, as was done back in 2010. I did so, but isn't that a bit excessive? I feel as though I've outdone myself. What do you think? Dlohcierekim (talk) 16:56, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

(comment by talk page stalker): Now that I've seen the length of the protection log I would agree with the indefinite semiprotection. EdJohnston (talk) 17:02, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

EdJohnston - I agree that the protection log is quite long, but it looks like a significant amount of them were from very short-term article protection changes made over the course of this month. Previous protection before this month was made back in November 2011. In all honesty, when it comes down to the meat and butter of it: I don't think there's a wrong answer when it comes to administrators that choose to apply indefinite article protection. I just personally feel that they're not necessary and I just choose to keep them (at most) as long as six months, maybe a year :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 17:23, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hi Dlohcierekim! Excellent question! I apply indefinite protection to an article extremely rarely; usually in cases of Arbitration Enforcement, significant long-term gross abuse of a BLP, or a frequent target of school IP vandalism - and even then, I apply the lowest protection level necessary (usually pending changes or maybe semi). I'm kind of known as the person who applies shorter protection duration than many reporters or editors want to see, simply because of the fact that most reasons that protection is needed is due to disruption that's much shorter in time than we think it is. I'll run into an article that (upon looking at the history) is suddenly getting hit up frequently (or even heavily) with vandalism by numerous IPs and new users out of nowhere, and I'm mostly always successful with stopping it completely by applying semi-protection to it for just six hours - so in cases like this, I say go with your gut. Looking at this article and the edits recently made, I agree with your assertion that indefinite semi-protection is definitely not needed. If anything, apply it for a few months. Worst case scenario: the protection will expire, we'll see that whatever is causing the article to get hit up with disruptive edits is continuing to happen, and we'll just add it back and extend the protection again. Best case scenario? People get over it, and everyone can edit the article - which is what Wikipedia is all about ;-). Let me know if you need any input or help with anything else, and I'll be happy to do so :-). Cheers -- ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 17:19, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Three months is what I'd give it, with a hair trigger for reimposing it after that. In terms of the scale of melodrama involved, this is the Beatles breakup of K-pop. I haven't checked to see if all of the members' and subgroups' pages (i.e. Girls' Generation-TTS) are protected, but I am sure they are all experiencing editorial mayhem. Don't tell my old D.C. Riot Grrrl colleagues from the '90s that I like GG. - Julietdeltalima (talk) 17:32, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

Thanks, y'all. My gut said "1 month and reassess". I'll wait to see if more users comment before resetting.Dlohcierekim (talk) 18:14, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

Dlohcierekim - You bet! Always happy to help :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 21:40, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

Leif Erikson day edits

I keep seeing a controversy page added on the Leif Erikson Day page, however the "controversy" is both unclear, and limited strictly to Donald Trump making a declaration on the next day. How, exactly, is that controversial? and if it is controversial, wouldn't EVERY instance of any other president not making that declaration on that day be needed as well? otherwise it seems superfluous — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.224.107.100 (talk) 20:02, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

These are the questions and this is the discussion that you need to take to the article's talk page here. This is what I was referring to in the edit summary in my reversion to the article. Please let me know if you have any questions regarding Wikipedia's dispute resolution process and I'll be happy to answer them. Thanks :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 20:05, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

• There's nothing on the talk page. The material was added by an IP editor with a link or two to the White House website, and then an account added a couple of other links to it--but nothing from reliable secondary sources. I am not sure that in subsequent reverts the restorers looked carefully at the references, on the one hand, but on the other, IP editor, until your last revert you had presented no valid argument. Had you said "these aren't reliable secondary sources, which is necessary to even prove there is a 'controversy'", yeah. Drmies (talk) 21:19, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

yeah sorry about that. I don't usually edit pages, but that one just really didn't sit right with me. sorry I caused a hassle69.224.107.100 (talk) 21:55, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

No apologies are needed. It's okay to be bold and to make mistakes - it's a normal part of learning and becoming more proficient here :-). Please don't hesitate to let either one of us know if you have any questions or need help with anything. We'll be happy to lend you a hand. ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 22:00, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

London/derry

The city's called Londonderry...I don't understand? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.64.28.211 (talk) 21:06, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

• Doesn't matter: the article discussed the diocese, not the city. Drmies (talk) 21:09, 18 October 2017 (UTC)
• From Derry: "While the city is more usually known colloquially as Derry, Londonderry is also commonly used and remains the legal name"--but even that doesn't apply to the name of the diocese. Drmies (talk) 21:14, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

Huggle 3.3.2?

Hi,

I noticed you're using Huggle 3.3.2, but the Huggle site and Huggle itself say the latest version is 3.3.1. How come you're on 3.3.2? Adam9007 (talk) 00:16, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

Adam9007 - I'm working with the dev team and testing the next release for issues before it goes public. It should be put up after a few more things are finalized, so stay tuned ;-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 00:19, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

I thought it might be something like that . Adam9007 (talk) 00:21, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

Oshwah's hacking it to give him super-duper-powers for the upcoming wheel war. Jim1138 (talk) 08:25, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

HAN

Hi,

I noticed HAN is back up. I see statements like "Oshwah thinks that edit on enwiki to some article by someone (some number) is likely a vandalism, but they didn't revert it" and "Oshwah did a rollback on enwiki of some article by someone (some number)". Do you know under what circumstances these messages appear? There's a "Flag as a suspicious edit" function; does this have anything to do with it? Thanks. Adam9007 (talk) 01:31, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

Adam9007 - I'm honestly not sure. I've been noticing the same exact thing - they'll occasionally work and be listed as they occur, and at other times I'll see nothing at all. I'll need to ask the devs and find out. I'm not proficient with their project and code yet... ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 01:53, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

I haven't yet seen my name on it, but then again I'm not actually sure I'm supposed to: it might be that I'm only supposed to see alerts from or about others for all I know... Adam9007 (talk) 02:00, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

Adam9007 - I believe that you only see others' logs, not your own. I've also never seen my own logs on the list. ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 02:02, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

FYI

here Jim1138 (talk) 08:21, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

Jim1138 - Oh, JOY! Heh, thanks for letting me know - I'll look into this and try and keep eyes on things :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 08:29, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

How can you restore everything back when somebody vandalism and Article how can I be like you — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.205.86.247 (talk) 09:21, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

How can you restore everything back when somebody vandalism and Article how can I be like you — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.205.86.247 (talk) 09:23, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

How can you restore everything back when somebody vandalism and Article how can I be like you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nickyjampr7873215610 (talk • contribs) 09:25, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

Talk page abuse by blocked user

RESOURCE ACCESS MANAGEMENT SOLUTIONS PVT LTD (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) is misusing their user talk page to advertise while blocked. Red-eyed demon _Speak 11:13, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

Hi Red-eyed demon! Thanks for letting me know - I changed the block to a hard block and revoked talk page access. If you see any more shenanigans that I need to look at, don't hesitate to let me know and I'll be happy to take care of it ;-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 11:22, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

Autocorrect

My iPhone apparently auto corrects Oshwah to O'Shea has. I felt this was worth sharing. TonyBallioni (talk) 11:20, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

TonyBallioni - HA! That's funny! On an unrelated note, I believe that congratulations will soon be in order! Please know that you're always welcome to message me if you have any questions or need input with any admin-related decisions. I remember my first month as an admin being quite an interesting phase. I was double-checking and triple-checking policy, and uneasy and extremely cautious and nervous at times regarding admin actions and taking them - even though, as an editor, I knew 100% how the respective situation should be handled. Just remember that I'm available should you need a second pair of eyes or any guidance as you pick up the mop and start breaking it in ;-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 11:27, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

Ha! Thanks, but don't jinx it! I'm currently fairly excited more by the fact that the total is all 2s. Call it love of symmetry or something :p TonyBallioni (talk) 11:30, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

TonyBallioni - Oh, pleeeeaaaaseeee... your RfA went ridiculously well compared to how close to the discretionary line that mine went... HAHA! ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 11:34, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

Asking assistance for Wiki editing

Could you assist me with some information?

Full list of the questions and answers - click "[show]" on the right side in order to expand this box and read them

1. Dispute Resolution Noticeboard: Since the parties are not obligated to comply with the advise of DRN moderator, what's the solution when someone is sure that the other parties are not going to agree with him anyway and a ruling from a judge is essential. I am sure DRN is not an option in this case. Could "Mediation" be an option? Is any user, even an administrator obligated to comply with the advise of Mediation Committee? If not, then is "Arbitration" an option? Is any user, even an administrator obligated to comply with the advise of Arbitration Committee? Remember that the dispute resolution noticeboard is only one of many tools in the dispute resolution tool belt that's available to help. You don't have to discuss your content dispute there. It's simply a place that helpers and experienced editors watch so that they can volunteer to participate and offer assistance. If you know that opinions aren't going to change, you're going to need input from uninvolved editors (probably a few of them depending on how big the dispute is) in order to make sure that a consensus is reached and that it reflects the right decision or the right thing to do. You should always think, "the more the merrier" when it comes to a dispute - as more editors can think together and determine what the right thing to do is :-). ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 12:38, 19 October 2017 (UTC) 2. What’s the difference between Dispute Resolution Noticeboard and a specialized noticeboard such as “Fringe theory noticeboard”? I know specialized noticeboards are subject specific. But my question is that whether the moderators in “Fringe theory noticeboard” are only administrators or general users as well? If there are general users as well, how can I become a fringe theory noticeboard volunteer? Do I need to list my username anywhere and/or add any template in my user page? Most noticeboards are run by editors who understand the relevant policies and guidelines well, and are proficient with resolving the issues that the particular noticeboard is centralized with discussing. They don't have to be administrators at all. Remember that administrators are simply users that have more technical abilities and buttons. They do not have any "authority" to make you do anything, and administrators don't have any kind of higher "status" or "rank" that grants them extra perks or exempts them from the policies that everyone needs to follow. They can be held accountable just like any other user if they violate any policies or engage in behaviors that are disruptive (if anything, they're held to a stricter level of accountability given that they're expected to set the example). If you feel the need to start a noticeboard discussion, you generally want to make sure that you start it at the noticeboard that is focused on the particular issue you need help with (or as close as possible). It's perfectly fine if you find that you've started one in the wrong noticeboard - you'll just be pointed to the correct one, and you'll just need to move the discussion there. No big deal :-) ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 12:53, 19 October 2017 (UTC) 3. When I am in a dispute with a couple of admins in a Wikipedia page, what’s the process of reporting those abusive admins. Let’s say, the admins are reverting any edit that is against their personal views and beliefs. And those admins need to be removed from the page. The Wikipedia manual says as admins can be removed through a dispute resolution process. But it doesn’t explain how. Because DRN moderator or Mediation committee may not be able to remove an administrator. So, if an user is in dispute with administrators, should he directly file a case to Arbitration Committee? If you have issues or concerns with an administrator that may be using their admin tools in manners that are against policy, you should first try to take your concerns directly to them. Administrators are expected to communicate and explain their administrative actions if anyone questions them about it. If this does not resolve your concerns in a satisfactory manner, you can always start a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents. ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 12:59, 19 October 2017 (UTC) 4. How can I add a new section and subsection to a Wiki article and remove an existing section from a Wiki article in visual editor? You should be able to do so using the toolbar within the VisualEditor interface. This help page section here should show you how to do it. ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 13:06, 19 October 2017 (UTC) 5. I found that some contributions are deleted from “History” page of an article. So how to delete a contribution and who can do it? Are you talking about revision deletion? Where some revisions are greyed out and you can't click on them or view them? This is a tool available to administrators and has strict policies in which deleting a revision is allowed. You can click here to read this policy and learn more. ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 13:08, 19 October 2017 (UTC) 6. Wiki policy states as I should not copy contents from other websites and should rather write my own contents. But what if the contents are open source contents? Can I directly copy those in Wikipedia? Are online news posts open source, including the images in the news? Can I use these texts and images in Wikipedia without editing? Can I copy and paste statements of medical national and international organizations in Wikipedia without editing? What you're talking about is Wikipedia's copyright and copyright violations policies. One thing I must say is this: these are extremely important policies that you must know and understand, as well as follow. You definitely do not want to violate these policies - it's taken very seriously. Two pages that will help you a lot with understanding those copyright policies above are Wikipedia's guidelines on plagiarism and with paraphrasing (this is the guideline you're asking about in relation to writing your own content). ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 13:17, 19 October 2017 (UTC) 7. Where to find images for a Wikiedia article if the image is not already available in Wikimedia? Are the images collected from news posts open source? And many sites don't have their images copyrighted. Do those images qualify as open source? When I upload an image, Wikipedia asks for copyright information. I have no idea what information to provide? What info should I provide if the image is in open source? And if the image is owned by me? Wikipedia asks me to contact the copyright holder and ask them for copyright information for the image. But some websites don't have "Contact us" section, some other sites are unresponsive when they are contacted, and even when I contact a website owner, he may not be able to provide me copyright information as the images are not copyrighted. So what information to provide Wikipedia in such a case? How do Wikipedia verify if the images are already copyrighted or not. If I claim to be granted permission for reuse from the copyright holder, how does Wikipedia verify the copyright holder has actually granted me permission for reuse of the copyrighted content? Wikipedia allows for editors who have a confirmed account to upload files to their own pages in order to use them as content aides within articles. However, just like with content copyrights discussed above, you also need to make sure that anything and everything you upload to Wikipedia and use within articles are not copyrighted in any way that prohibits use of the file in this project. The easiest way to avoid a potential copyright issue is to take pictures with your camera or design or draw the content yourself and upload it as your own work. If what you're uploading is not your own work, then it obviously will belong to someone else. It's your responsibility to locate and show that the owner of the file permits it to be used in the manner that it'll be used on Wikipedia. Since you're new here, I'm not going to go into the topic of fair use. This is a copyright area that's very advanced and requires expert knowledge on making sure that it's used correctly; I recommend that you stay away from that area until you've been editing here for some time and have become completely proficient with all of Wikipedia's other policies. You should stick to files that are permitted to be used on Wikipedia and only upload those kinds of files, and only after you've completely reviewed and proficiently understand Wikipedia's image use policies first. As with content copyrights, we take violations of image copyrights just as seriously. ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 13:54, 19 October 2017 (UTC) 8. How to add videos to a Wikipedia article? Do I need to provide copyright information for a video available in Youtube? Are there other policies on videos such as policies for graphic videos? The response I provided to you above regarding the uploading and use of images applies exactly the same way when it comes to videos or other files. This page might expand a little bit more on videos specifically, but everything in relation to copyrights and verifying its permitted use applies exactly the same here. ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 14:02, 19 October 2017 (UTC) 9. When I create a new article, how do I save my private draft for the article. If I click on "Save", the draft will become public and will be accessible for anyone. But I like it to be private. Is it possible. Furthermore, when I edit on an existing article, is there a way I can save my edits as a draft before publishing? It is an essential function. Because some posts may be very long and will take a long time to write. So, my unsaved works can be lost if browser tab is closed or if the texts are accidentally selected and deleted. So saving draft is essential. All pages and articles on Wikipedia are public and can be viewed by anyone. The only exceptions are pages that have been deleted by an administrator, or individual page revisions that have been revision deleted by an administrator (what I discussed above). If you scroll up to the very top of this web page and where your username is displayed on the very top right area, there's a link that should be labeled "Sandbox" listed there. This will take you to your sandbox page within your own user space. In fact, you can click here to go there now. You can use that area to draft things and play around with formats and code, and when it's ready to go live - you can copy things over from there. You can of course make many drafts wherever you want in your user space (and you can also use Wikipedia's articles for creation interface to create an article in the draft space) - but for sake of simplicity, if you just want a place that's yours and where you can tinker around and build up stuff, just use your sandbox. ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 14:10, 19 October 2017 (UTC) 10. Where can I save the usernames of my co-writers in my Wikipedia account like a phone book? I can't memorize the usernames of every persons. Thus, I need to have a phone book when the usernames will be saved in the respective categories. I think you're asking about a feature where you can click on another editors user page or signature and "+" them as a contact where they're all listed in a single place for you to look through and reference. This feature doesn't exist, but you can easily just create a subpage within your own user space (something like User:Abir Babu/ContactList) - and add a "buddy or contact list" in there. Just add a new line for each person with [[User:PUT USERNAME OF CONTACT HERE]], and it'll list your close "wiki-contact" friends and clicking on them will take you straight to their user page. ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 19:12, 19 October 2017 (UTC) 11. How can I be connected with the community to improve each Wikipedia article? I know each important article is being monitored by some administrators. But how do I know which administrators is monitoring a page so that I can discuss with them about improving the article? How to get connected with the community for editing articles? I heard that communication is important here. But how? Everyone is stranger here. Whom to contact among these random people? Get involved with a Wikiproject! There are thousands of Wikiprojects that focus on different topics, technical subjects, specific goals and tasks - given the personal things you enjoy or that interest you, it's almost completely certain that there's a Wikiproject here that's dedicated to the things that interest you. The page on Wikiprojects is located here. Read that page! Seriously, do it! The best part of that page? It has a tool that will let you search for things that interest you (Like "Computers" or "Football") and it'll give you Wikiprojects that match these interests and give you the location of the main project page so that you can visit it and join. ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 14:25, 19 October 2017 (UTC) 12. What’s the use of pending changes reviewing by administrators and “pending change reviewers”? As much as I know anyone can revert another user’s edit. In that case, what will change if an edit is approved by an administrator or a “Pending changes reviewer”? Will other users be unable to revert the edit back then? If not, then what’s the use of pending changes reviewing? Furthermore, how do the users know an edit has been approved by a administrator or a pending changes reviewers? Will the approval appear anywhere such as in the “History” page? Lets discuss what pending changes protection is first, then you'll be able to easily understand what pending changes reviewers do. When an article is under pending changes protection, it allows all users to edit the page as you normally would. However, if an IP address or an unconfirmed account edits the page, their changes will be put on hold and will not be made visible to the majority of readers until the edit is reviewed and approved by a pending changes reviewer. At this point, you probably already know what a pending changes review does... they're just editors who have the ability to review pending changes that are on-hold, and either accept or deny those edits from moving forward and being made live to the article for everyone to see. Wikipedia's information page on pending changes here explains all of this in-depth. You can refer to that page if you'd like more in-depth and technical information about it. ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 14:35, 19 October 2017 (UTC) 13. What’s the requirement and process for becoming a pending changes reviewer? Can anyone become a pending changes reviewer? Any editor that meets the requirements can request the user rights on the permission request page. I think that you're quite a ways away from being considered for this role (given how new your account is). Pending changes reviewer rights are not for new accounts and users, since their job is to make sure that any disruptive or potentially libelous edits are rejected and won't go live for the general public to see. You need to instead focus on becoming proficient with Wikipedia's basic policies, guidelines, navigation, and etiquette first before you even consider expanding out into additional roles. ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 14:43, 19 October 2017 (UTC) Abir Babu (talk) 12:19, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

Hi Abir Babu! Holy cow! You have quite a lot of good questions here! What I'm going to do is answer your questions one-at-a-time and in-line with your questions here, just so my answers don't come out as a big list and pile of stuff :-). Give me some time, and I'll be happy to make sure that your questions are answered. ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 12:22, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

Sure, thanks for your assistance. Abir Babu (talk) 13:00, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

Abir Babu - I've answered all of the questions you listed above. Thanks for asking them, and I hope you find them to be helpful and that you follow the recommendations that I make to you within them :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 14:45, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

(talk page gnome) @Abir Babu: I think that Oshwah's answers were excellent. I would only like to add precisions about But how do I know which administrators is monitoring a page so that I can discuss with them about improving the article? How to get connected with the community for editing articles?: Administrators and non-administrators can monitor recent changes and their watchlist is private. If they don't create a public watchlist for use with WP:Related changes then only their interactions or actions may give clues about what they are monitoring. In relation to community discussion, Oshwah already mentioned WikiProjects and the noticeboards were previously discussed. However, every article has an associated talk page to discuss improvements and form consensus (although they are not general discussion forums). I hope this helps, —PaleoNeonate – 18:46, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

I love it, PaleoNeonate! Thanks! :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 18:58, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

Rollback

How are you editing so quickly with Huggle? Is there anything special about Huggle that makes it faster to Rollback. Pkbwcgs (talk) 15:55, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

(talk page stalker)I wanted Huggle so I could be just as fast, but it won't work with my OS and I hade to settle for STiki. L3X1 (distænt write) 16:06, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

L3X1 - What OS are you using? ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 16:11, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

Mac OS 10.10.5. I tried 2 versions of Huggle, the then current and the version that was released when 10.10 was new and neither of them worked. L3X1 (distænt write) 17:58, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

Hi Pkbwcgs! There's not much outside Huggle's default settings that you'd need to change, unless something isn't working right for you. I've also come from many years of performing recent changes patrolling; I've been doing it for close to 10 years now ;-). ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 16:10, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

Hmm... I don't have Huggle at the moment because I haven't been assigned rollback permissions and I don't see that happening at all in the future. Pkbwcgs (talk) 16:12, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

Black Monday (1987) vandalism

Please look before you revert even an IP and don't roll back vandalism fixes. User:Stocc Master is a persistent vandal. NTK (talk) 15:57, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

Hi NTK! Yeah, I got my wires crossed with that edit - thanks for reverting it and for letting me know. The account has been blocked, so things should be all taken care of now :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 15:59, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

Editing

Hi I’m new to Wikipedia editing its different than any other forms of editing I’ve done (Tylermax365 (talk) 17:04, 19 October 2017 (UTC))

What is your problem Umersherwani (talk) 10:07, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

Your Activity

I just came back from about 5 months of almost no editing. I did RC patrol then, and am picking it back up now. Back then I would see you reverting a lot of disruptive edits more than most patrollers. I noticed you still at it today, reverting. I thank you for your continuous service to Wikipedia. _{Adotchar| reply here} 19:17, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

Hi Adotchar - welcome back! I really appreciate your kind words and for taking the time to message me here. If there's anything I can do to help your transition back into Wikipedia an easier or smoother one, don't hesitate to message me and I'll be happy to lend you a hand :-). ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 19:20, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

169.199.141.170

• 169.199.141.170 (talk · contribs · WHOIS)

I know it doesn't matter too much, since there was only one previous block on this IP address, but did you intend to only block it for 36 hours, when the last block was longer... I would think that the following block would be for a week or two... Regards. 198.236.58.11 (talk) 19:48, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

Nope, that should have been a school block. Thanks for letting me know - I've adjusted the duration and block summary accordingly :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 19:53, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

Requesting 2nd (or 3rd?) opinion

Hi Oshwa. When you get a minute could you take a look at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/GoguryeoHistorian and let us know if you think this is a DUCK situation? See also this discussion on my talk page. Thanks! -Ad Orientem (talk) 21:16, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

Sure, I'll take a look right now. Stand by... ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 21:58, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

Suspicious user

Hi,

Thought you should know that something about this user's edits seem rather suspicious. Might he be a sock? Adam9007 (talk) 23:25, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

I made the bad person go away.Dlohcierekim (talk) 23:30, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

Ohh man... creating a user page saying that I like wieners.......

....This guy's good... this guy's really good.... ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 23:34, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

I wanna be like you hen I grow up.Dlohcierekim (talk) 23:40, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

203.47.191.82

• 203.47.191.82 (talk · contribs · WHOIS)

Did you intend to make this block shorter in duration than it was before? 207.172.202.51 (talk) 23:39, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

Oh wow. I saw this IP's contributions and thought to myself how this was "definitely most likely" their first block due to how little there were. Aaaand I apparently was wrong... lol. I've fixed the duration to be one week. Thanks for letting me know about this :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 23:42, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

Strange user page

Hi again,

Do you reckon this user page is anything to be concerned about? Adam9007 (talk) 23:48, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

Patent nonsense... I just chucked it into the circular waste bin :-). And no; it didn't make any threats of harm, so I think we can call things good at this point. ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 23:51, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

Hate to nitpick, but G1 doesn't apply to user pages... Adam9007 (talk) 23:52, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

Oh fuck... alright... G3 it is, then. There's absolutely no way that the content on this page could be construed as good faith, or that this person's intent was anything else other than to be disruptive. And thanks, good call. Even though I don't necessarily agree that it shouldn't apply :-P ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 23:56, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

I don't see why deliberate nonsense shouldn't apply, but that can come under vandalism can't it? Adam9007 (talk) 23:59, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

I think that it does. I highly doubt that anybody is going to object to the deletion, whether it be under G3 or a different one that it would fall under. If someone wants to object to it and put their username in a log entry that says "I restored this content", then they're welcome to make that dumb choice and have at it :-P ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 00:04, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

Another thing has occurred to me: G1 means nonsense as in gibberish, right? Nonsense as in untruth is vandalism (assuming it's deliberate)? I've always taken "patent nonsense" to mean gibberish. Adam9007 (talk) 00:07, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

Adam9007 - Correct. That's what G1 is supposed to be used for - whether it be pure gibberish (create a new page, literally sling an open hand across your entire keyboard as it were piano keys, and then save it) - or content that is purely random in words and to the point that you don't even know what the article subject is about and where no reasonable person would be expected to make any sense of it at all (a Word salad is a perfect example. Or, think of it like this: Go on the internet and find a random paragraph of text. Now re-arrange each word in the paragraph like you're shuffling a deck of cards, and then paste the randomly arranged muck and mess that is the result into a new page, and then save it). Hopefully what I explained makes sense as to exactly what page content that G1 is supposed used to tag. ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 04:27, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

Garden Weasel

Hello? Oshua? Is that you?

See... it's a funny story. I was watching Strong Bad Emails all day today, and watching one of the episodes, a garden weasel got involved. I was baffled by its design and its name, so I tried to look up what a garden weasel was supposed to be, and what it did.

I could not access any helpful information on what a garden weasel is and is used for. Every time I put "garden weasel" in the search bar, it would relocate me to the company that manufactures them... or, come to think of it, I doubt they even have anything to do with garden weasels. I want to know what the heck garden weasels are, that's all.

Sincerely,

A hungry fox down the street. 73.221.190.41 (talk)

New User Page Mess re: Neil Gross page THANK YOU!

1stCoastal - Okay... it looks like I've gotten most of the histories merged from Draft:Neil Gross to Neil Gross with the exception of two edits that were made outside the latest revision in the draft and the oldest revision in the live article... yay. I'll just need to go back and merge those in manually. I'll swing back around and get that part done after I finish up with some other tasks that have priority. Again, I sincerely apologize for how long it took for me to respond to your request for help and get this done for you. Life has kept me busy, and I let your request slip through the cracks and that was my fault. I hope you understand. Let me know if you need anything else and I'll be happy to do give you a hand :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 11:43, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

Hi ~Oshwah~ - Thanks so much for fixing this "page mess." I realize you no doubt had more important things going on, both in life and Wikipedia. 1stCoastal (talk) 03:14, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

User:Joe V

User:Joe V, a new user, is having difficulty understanding WPN and BLP. Several editors have tried engaging him, but he isn't listening or at least not understanding. Can you help with some personal advice to him? Thanks. - BilCat (talk) 07:13, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

FYI: Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring#User:Joe_V reported by User:Jim1138 (Result: ) Jim1138 (talk) 08:23, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

Hi BilCat! Unfortunately, an explanation by me has come too late, as this editor has been blocked for 24 hours for edit warring at Montego Bay. If issues continue after this user's block expires, we can certainly try and reach out again and see what happens... ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 08:32, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for looking into this, Oshwah. Hopefully that will get his attention. - BilCat (talk) 08:38, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

You removed my link from NoFap.

No problem, thanks for messaging me. I just felt like it would help people out in the nofap community.

Have a nice day. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.76.190.228 (talk) 08:47, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

Hey i am umer and my complain is that

Hellow oshwash ywr i am very disappoint of yours on this wiki.why you continously change babar's wikipedia what is you problem Umersherwani (talk) 10:06, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

The reference you made describing karunanidhi's family as telugu origin is a rumour. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Martin Stephenraj (talk • contribs) 10:15, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

Correction on Passaic High School page - removal of incorrect info

I deleted info about Rafe Gomez being a graduate of Passaic High School. He is not a graduate of the school. Can you please undo your edit?

Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thewikirap (talk • contribs) 10:30, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

John Amell

Hey Oshwah I was telling the truth and saying something left out in the article but you sent me the message and I do not want my privileges taken away. I am so sorry I will never tell the truth again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by John Amell (talk • contribs) 13:03, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

YOU foolish I didn't do any vandalism!

57 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.40.241.183 (talk) 13:48, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

When did they move Seoul to North Korea?! No one tells me anything!Dlohcierekim (talk) 13:58, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

Change to "Strong graph product"

Which part of my edit message

Moved section about Shannon capacity and Lovasz number to "tensor product of graphs", which is the graph product actually used in that setting

is it you don't understand? It is painfully obvious, if one bothers to read the definition in Lovasz's paper (see reference in article), that what he calls the 'strong graph product' is not what Wikipedia calls the 'strong graph product'. 130.243.68.6 (talk) 14:14, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

Blue Star Coloring

Hello--

The page Blue Star Coloring is inaccurate. They have since legally changed their company name to Blue Star Press, and coloring was absorbed as an imprint. They have two main imprints, Blue Star Press & Paige Tate & Co. They are also no longer in San Antonio, but are headquartered in Bend, OR. They also have 9 employees now, not 7. All this information is available via their website: https://www.bluestarpress.com/#about

208.100.165.28 (talk) 17:20, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

Delia Derbyshire

Hello Oshwah. I just wanted to say thank you for undoing the vile vandalism by MattInAction to the above article - and for doing it so promptly, too. I received a notification about MattInAction's change and was horrified by what I saw so immediately went to revert it, but got a message saying that it already been done by your good self. I clicked on the "thanks" option, but wanted to add this public message as well. Best wishes. Cybersub (talk) 17:34, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

Hi Cybersub! Thanks for taking the time to leave me a message, and for your kind words. You bet; always happy to help :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 17:55, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

puto deja de cambiar lo que pongo

My pleasure, Oshwah. Can anything be done about MattInAction? Can s/he be blocked because of what they did? (By the way, I've no idea why "puto deja de cambiar lo que pongo" has suddenly appeared above! Trying to translate it doesn't really give any clues, either.) Cybersub (talk) 19:31, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

Hi,

I rather think the article was biased before I changed it. You know why? Because it is what people who are not highly intelligent always do to us. Not believe us. Talk negatively about us. Question us. So if you want wikipedia to be a place where this does not happen as hard as in real life, I suggest you leave my comments in. Further I suggest you leave them in because you cannot judge them properly. Or can you? I take it that your IQ is not above 140 and you do not have my life experience on the matter...? If you need a citation for it, kindly ask Holger Schackert from Berlin to provide one. He is my coach and works with lots of highly gifted people. You do not have to reply to this. Actually I am tired of talking to normals. Just do what you think is best, although I fear you might be like most normal people who just are not able to think properly, so you might just do anything.

Greetings Johanna — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.187.108.65 (talk) 19:22, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

Nain Singh Rawat

Hey :) IMO, it might be best to protect Nain Singh Rawat for a couple of days. It's Google Doodle of the day in India and possibly elsewhere. Thanks.—Cpt.a.haddock (talk) (please ping when replying) 19:50, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

Revdel

Hey, Oshwah, I see your revdel's on zzuuzz's page; what were you trying to revdel? Not sure it worked. :/ Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 20:20, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

I've done what I *think* you meant to do, but let me know if you meant something else. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 20:23, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

FYI, that's most likely Taokaka. :) Widr (talk) 20:27, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

Yes. Having temperament issues again :/ -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 20:31, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

Writ Keeper - I was simply removing the username from the two user talk pages, just because it's very similar to Sro23's username, and a new user who doesn't know which username is the "real Sro23" might become confused. ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 20:43, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

Yeah, that's what I figured. But you revdeled the performing user's username on both the edit itself and its reversion, even though the reversion was performed by SkyWarrior and not the sock. So you revdeled SkyWarrior's username, while leaving their edit summary--which did have the sock's name--intact. I think you meant instead to revdel the username of the initial edit and the edit summary of the reversion, which is what I adjusted it to. Just wanted to make sure that was your goal. :) Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 20:47, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

Writ Keeper - Ohhhhh, you're right! I was going backwards on accident. Thanks for catching that and for letting me know. I guess I'm just having one of those derp days :-P ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 20:50, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

Peter Birch

Oshwah

Peter died on 13th September at the Royal Marsden Hospital, London of oesophagal cancer. I was at his bedside - I am his oldest friend since age 11. His acting credits came from memory but can be successfully checked on IMDh - tho' selective, they correlate.

Chris Crowcroft94.196.162.163 (talk) 21:00, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

political fear mongering

what is said to be misuse of discord is actually an opinion. there are other political groups such as antifa, which is also labeled as terrorist organization, they also "misuse" discord for political gains. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2607:FCC8:F90D:4300:2124:3F77:396F:4FBF (talk) 22:04, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

protection needed ASAP

Could you semi-protect Progressive stack? it is the subject of rapid and continuous POV-pushing by IPs and the request at RFPP has been ignored for close to 4 hours. Tornado chaser (talk) 01:52, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

Tornado chaser -  Done. I'm also going through the history and taking care of those who added to the disruption ;-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 02:00, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

re: Iron Sheik

"YouShoot: The Iron Sheik" is the program that that piece of information comes from, which is what I used as my citation when adding that sentence onto his page, along with the citation itself. [5] 98.220.44.26 (talk) 03:21, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

Wildflower reverse edits

Hi there, Although I didn’t write the original entry regarding two extended casts, I believe the content is not correct and there’s is no evidence that these two characters exist in this teleserye. I believe it was written in by someone with the intent to vandalize or the writer had presumed these characters exist and these were the actors portraying them. Someone else later edited these statements out, and I believe it should be out because these characters don’t exist. The actors portraying them have denied being casted. I’m new to this, I simply love to write and edit, so I don’t know if this is the proper venue. But if you’re an administrator or senior editor, I thought I would let you know.

The statement is this: * KC Concepcion as young Helena - It was shown in some episodes about Red Dragon's past and her affiliation with the Ardientes. She is the sister of Esmeralda and Clarita.

• Dionne Monsanto as Megan Montoya - The vicious daughter of Helena or Red Dragon who despises Lily Cruz. She is the long-lost half-sister of Emilia. She also pretended as the fake Angela Aguas when she met Lily in the state of Ivy.

Thanks. Pipamidalton (talk) 06:14, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

Hi Pipamidalton! Welcome to Wikipedia! If you think something isn't right, you're encouraged to be bold and fix it! You don't need to "ask permission" or "get approval" to make improvements; nobody has ownership of content on Wikipedia. We won't run after you with torches and pitchforks if you simply make a mistake in good faith - it's a normal part of learning and we don't expect you to be perfect here. Hell, I've made plenty of mistakes during my time here, so if anything I completely understand. The thing is: don't be afraid to improve things, make sure you leave an edit summary with each of your changes so that other editors understand what you're doing and why, take note on the feedback left to you by others so that you can learn and ask questions later, and don't be afraid to message other editors if you have any questions. My talk page is always open to you, and you are welcome to message me any time you have questions or need help with anything. Again, I welcome you to Wikipedia and I wish you happy editing! We're glad to have you here! :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 12:45, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

reverted contribution to showdown at boot hill

text contributed to plot for showdown at boot hill was taken from IMDB and Wikipedia with some grammar changes. How can describing the plot be incorrect? All I left out was that the marshal survived, but that eliminates the suspense. Go figure. 113.97.175.213 (talk) 07:36, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

My apologies; I've restored the changes you made to the article. You'll want to cite a source as to where you're paraphrasing the content from. Other than that, your content has been restored. Please let me know if you need anything else. ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 12:48, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

Not here to build an encyclopedia

User talk:2600:1017:B40C:4B7A:D938:E595:8C30:6E05 - how many times do they have to be disruptive before a block? ^{Atsme📞📧} 22:31, 22 October 2017 (UTC)

Hi Atsme! I apologize for the delayed response to your message here. There's no "set amount" of times that someone must be warned before an administrator can block an editor for disruption. Depending on what the disruption actually is and the severity of the disruption, I try to block after I feel that the editor has been sufficiently warned for the behavior and has shown that they're going to continue the behavior despite the warnings. I'll take a look at this IP's edits, but blocking it is most likely moot at this point, as the person has probably moved on. Thanks again for the message. Cheers -- ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 12:52, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

Thank you! ^{Atsme📞📧} 13:12, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

Request

Hello,

How am I able to request someone to write an article to start the page?

Thanks. Marrerli (talk) 19:27, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Marrerli, we have a question and answer forum for new users to ask questions like that called the Teahouse. I'll leave you an invite on your talk page. John from Idegon (talk) 20:32, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

Awesome, thanks for directing this user to the help desk, John from Idegon. ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 13:00, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

ClueBot NG Warnings

Hi Oshwah,

I have recently noticed that you've template-protected the ClueBot NG warnings page. I was wondering if you or another template editor could edit them to include the shared IP template to each of those pages as we do have registered user accounts having those types of messages and people who are in a shared IP address who viewed these messages may be confused as they didn't make the edits.

For example, (this is made-up), an IP address, something like 75.156.231.92 has vandali(s/z)ed the page James Mackenzie (actor) which you've reverted recently, the warning would something like this :-

December 2024

Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia. This is a message letting you know that one or more of your recent edits to James Mackenzie (actor) has been undone by an automated computer program called ClueBot NG.

• ClueBot NG makes very few mistakes, but it does happen. If you believe the change you made was constructive, please read about it, report it here, remove this message from your talk page, and then make the edit again.
• For help, take a look at the introduction.
• The following is the log entry regarding this message: James Mackenzie (actor) was changed by 75.156.231.92 (u) (t) ANN scored at 0.934212 on 2017-10-25T18:58:12+00:00 ..

Thank you. ClueBot NG (talk) 18:58, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

If this is a shared IP address, and you did not make the edits referred to above, consider creating an account for yourself or logging in with an existing account so that you can avoid further irrelevant notices.

See what you think of this suggestion. Cheers, Iggy (talk) 18:58, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

Hi Iggy the Swan! Yes, the warnings by ClueBot NG are now template protected (and quite frankly should have been quite some time ago). A vandal managed to find and change some of the warning templates so that ClueBot started leaving uncivil abusive messages on user talk pages. I luckily caught it as soon as it happened and managed to revert the changes before any damage was done (only two people were left the modified messages, which I manually fixed). That could have been much worse - especially if it managed to be left unchecked even for a few minutes. That shared IP message you're referring to is typically enabled or disabled by users on the various recent changes patrolling tool they're using. I think that it would cause some issues if that were inserted and hard-coded into the template like this... ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 19:13, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

...thanks for this issues part which as you said may well be. Iggy (talk) 19:50, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

And I actually agree that these templates should have been template-protected as soon as they were created. Iggy (talk) 22:34, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

edits on Broadway Corridor page

Hi Oshwah. Thanks for your note. I am taking part in an open access edit-a-thon; and I'm a novice user. I am using the sandbox, but if I'm going to learn how to do this, I will have to make a few false starts.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Eastofsepulveda (talk • contribs) 19:27, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

Protection

Just a thought, not sure if you saw it, but leaving ANI semid for an extended period of time might be problematic, given that the bottom thread is about IPs and... whether to block the VA. GMG^talk 19:47, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

Hi GreenMeansGo - I only protected it for three hours. I'm hoping that this is long enough to convince this LTA to move on. I'll keep eyes on the page, and if the protection starts to interfere with legitimate discussion by anonymous users, I'll bump it down. Thanks for the message; I was thinking the same thing as you were... ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 19:49, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

why did you remove my edit?

edit

I got your message. It is surprising that you don't think that a swiss national newspaper is a reliable source. Prey tell what is? Perhaps the German Wikipedia page for the same person that contains the same info that I just added? Perhaps the question the springs to mind is, what qualifies you as an editor? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.40.233.123 (talk • contribs)

I don't see where this is referenced or even mentioned on the article at all. Where in the article is this content and the source you're mentioning? ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 00:16, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

Thank you. This was my mistake and I am doing a project on Oliver Ellsworth and my sister edited when I was using the restroom.

Your deletions to "Mark Halperin"

What are you deleting from the "Mark Halperin" entry? I have put back in what I "think" you deleted. You may be a friend of Mark Halperin, but this has to be in his Wikipedia entry/biography - the man has been accused of gross sexual harassment by five women - CNN and The New York Post have reported it. But I cannot see what you have deleted. Why? What did you delete.

If you delete my entry on the page for "Mark Halperin", I will report you to Wikipedia and seek to have your account closed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Betathetapi545 (talk • contribs)

Hi, Betathetapi545! I appreciate your message, but I don't see why you needed to accuse me of being a conflict of interest with the article subject or threaten to report me for violating policy if I were to remove the edit you made to the article - you haven't even let me respond yet... lets be civil... lol. The edits were deleted due to being completely unreferenced and without a reliable source (or, well, any source provided). This is required and for any content on an article that's a biography of a living person - especially if the content is negative or contentious in any way. Due to the severity of the unreferenced content added, it had to be redacted from the article history and from being viewable. We take violations of BLP articles seriously, which is why these edits were removed. Your edit does not violate this policy. It includes a reference to a reliable source, and therefore is absolutely fine and I'm not going to do anything to it. Do you have any other questions for me? I'll be happy to answer them and assist you if you do... just let me know :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 09:22, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

Why did you delete the previous entries in a way such that we cannot see what it was that was originally entered (and deleted by you)? I would have liked to have see what the multiple posters had inserted. Thank you.

Betathetapi545 - They were unreferenced BLP violations that were serious in nature. See this section for more information on its criteria for use. ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 09:39, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

Hikaru Nakamura

Hi, there are many reliable sources, in other languages in wikipedia itself. The newest I have found in English is at chessgossip.com

Regards!

William

Revision deletion

Hi, would you please mind deleting revisions 496958236 to 540851810 on Rio Norte Junior High School? They all contain an obscenity explained by the reverting IP. Thanks! ToThAc (talk) 14:54, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

Hi ToThAc. I looked through each edit between those two revisions you provided, and I found one revision that warranted redaction. The rest were just random / nonsense vandalism that were fine to be left as-is. Please let me know if you need anything else. Best -- ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 15:10, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

Hellfire Pass IP

Hello Oshwah, Could I ask for your advice on the activities of 212.136.9.4 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) on the Hellfire Pass article. They have now deleted a sentence four times which gives interesting information for visitors, stating it is "POV", or reads like a "travel log". I have previously reinstated the line and asked them via their Talk page to discuss their reason(s) to no avail, also warning them that they are edit warring and not discussing. Their latest reversion has accused me of a "power trip" and asked me to discuss on the Talk page (after not discussing it themselves!). I am reluctant to report this to WP:ANI as it seems a trivial issue. However, I am concerned with the way they approach editing. Any advice/action from you would be appreciated. Regards, David, David J Johnson (talk) 15:48, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

Hi David J Johnson, and thanks for reaching out and leaving me a message. I'm inclined to agree with the IP that this content isn't necessary at all. Not only does it feel worded as "tourist-like", but it also isn't referenced and appears to be based off original research - what verifiability is in place with this content? What source, or whose experience or recollections is this content based off of? Something tells me that WP:NOR is relevant here. Aside from my input regarding the content itself, it obviously doesn't excuse someone for being uncivil (generally speaking, of course). While the edit summary wasn't the most appropriate, I think we should look past this and focus on coming to a peaceful resolution and agreement. While both of you have been repeatedly reverting one another back-and-fourth on this article on-and-off over the last year, I see that no talk page discussion has been started by either one of you in an attempt to discuss and resolve this. The article's talk page is the direction that you two need to go to. In the meantime, I've fully protected the page so that you two can step back from the back-and-fourth reverting and focus on resolving this dispute. Please let me know if you have any questions or need my help with anything else. I hope that you two will resolve these matters, and that you two can walk away peacefully and work together to improve the article. Best of luck, and happy editing -- ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 16:17, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

Oshwah, Many thanks for your comments and I have to say I agree with most of what you say. I just felt that the "information" was of use to visitors. Whilst, until now, I have not used the article Talk page, I have repeatedly posted the IP's Talk page which were not answered. Nor do I think the uncivil remarks were in any way necessary. However, as always, I am prepared to accept consensus. Best regards, David, David J Johnson (talk) 16:37, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

David J Johnson - Looking past the rude or uncivil comments made by others at you, and remaining peaceful in the discussion and working to resolve it without being uncivil back at them - is probably one of the toughest challenges we as editors face when collaborating and participating with this project as a whole. It's a skill and practice that's somewhat rare to see of others, but is a practice that every single long-term experienced editor who has the respect of the community and is looked upon as a true example - possess and demonstrate proficiently and well. Yes, it's difficult to keep civil and remain cool after reading the various gouges, bites, and shots that people will take at you civility-wise, but I promise you one thing: master the art and practice of being respectful and completely civil no matter what is said to you and by whom, and be open and willing to peacefully sort out any dispute with an open mind... and you'll grow into a greatly experienced, respected, and trusted editor no problem. Keep your cool, keep your responses on-topic, and act as if you're setting an example. You'll do just fine :-). Message me if you need help with anything else, and I'll be happy to give you a hand. Happy editing and collaborating -- ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 17:04, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

I totally agree with all you say. Having been around here for over seven years, I have been abused many times, but ignore it. Wikipedia is far more important to all of us than the occasional example of uncivil behavior. Best, David J Johnson (talk) 17:13, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/A24 (company)

There's something fishy about several IPv6 addresses abruptly editing to disrupt the keep votes. I suppose it's a moot point to even entertain the notion of finding the sock master, given that it's IPv6? DARTHBOTTO _talk•cont 16:06, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

Hi DarthBotto - Those IPs are all under the same /64 range, which indicate that this is the same user under one connection. The first /64 block of an IPv6 will typically remain static, as it's usually reserved for the ISP or WAN. The second /64 block is typically dynamic to the user and can frequently change. This is normal behavior for IPv6 and there's nothing we can do about it. Going back to your concerns, this user has been rangeblocked and shouldn't be of any more trouble (for now at least...) :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 17:25, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

I believe the nominator used those I.P. addresses for venting about the AfD not going their way. But, as you know, it's impossible to corroborate, aside from an inexplicable defense of them out of nowhere, so I don't believe there's anything that can be done- unless you may have any ideas? DARTHBOTTO _talk•cont 22:30, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

Re: Broadway Corridor Reversions

Hi Oshwah! I got a message that you had reverted my second round of edits to the Broadway Corridor page. Those were not intended as test edits; they were intended as good faith changes. (and source citations, which the original article did not have). Now, I don't have any particular need to keep editing that page, but I would like to know what was wrong with the changes I made. That would help me in the future.

PS: What are the four tildes for? Sincerely, eastofsepulveda. Eastofsepulveda (talk) 18:07, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

Eastofsepulveda - Oh dear. I think I only saw one of the two edits you made to this article. Stand by; I'm restoring your changes... ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 18:12, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

Hi Eastofsepulveda - I've restored the changes you made to the article; it should be in the exact state and as if I didn't touch anything. I apologize for the confusion; I saw this edit that you had made to the article, and reverted believing that this edit was a test. Looking at it again, I think I see what you were trying to do. Please let me know if you have any questions or need anything else, and I'll be happy to give you a hand. By the way, adding four tildes (~~~~) at the end of a message you leave for other users (like here, on my user talk page) will replace it with your signature after you save the edit and submit it. Again, if you have any more questions, ask away! :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 18:21, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

User talk:Solar Management

If he represents a company, he's not leaving a favorable impression. Dlohcierekim (talk) 18:56, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

Dlohcierekim - I couldn't agree more... ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 19:04, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

Recent edit

Hello! I want to let you know that I have no idea how that edit happen. I was nowhere near that page on that date. 2600:387:8:F:0:0:0:86 (talk) 02:08, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

If you're using a shared IP address (meaning that you're using a network or internet connection that is shared with other people), you may find that you'll receive warnings for edits that you did not make. To avoid this problem, create an account! :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 02:10, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

Reuven Dov Dessler

Hi. I changed the year of death from 1935 to 1934. I did this because I work to the communal organisation that manages the cemetery where he is buried and I looked at the original handwritten documents. The date of death was 19th December 1934. However, I am unable to cite a source as the records are not digitized. Please can the change be reinstated.

Hill School

Hey, O! Just wanted to let you know I re-reverted a revert you restored on the above (try saying that fast three times!) The material removed was BLP with crap sourcing, and way out of guidelines for school articles. I invited discussion in my edit summary, but considering the BLP nature of the content it probably should be omitted pending consensus. John from Idegon (talk) 15:18, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

Hi John from Idegon! I just gave the content another read; yes, I completely agree. Thank you for removing this and for letting me know. Much, much appreciated :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 15:23, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

That article has been a pain in the butt for years. (talk) 15:28, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

John from Idegon - One of the things that surprised me the most when I started becoming a regular editor here was discovering just how crazy, worked-up, emotional, combative, and disruptive editors will get and over the most random topics and content disputes... ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 16:34, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

It has always seemed to me there is an inverse relationship between emotion level and subject importance. The most contentious things we seem to have here are Media and Sports articles, which in the bigger picture of things, are relatively meaningless. The discussion on important settlements, or even on things like the articles on the recent events in Vegas, always seem quite reasonable. Boy but try to take out the hours of operation for the community pool on a settlement article for a burg with 1200 people, and look out! John from Idegon (talk) 17:19, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

ZAP!

Since you happen to be around (edit conflict) might want to zap this, as a deliberate attempt to disparage the subject through deceptive edit summary. GMG^talk 17:27, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

GreenMeansGo -  Done. ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 17:32, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

PavelStaykov's socks

Hi, do you know if we can add "Джингиби" to the edit filters for socks. It's Jingiby in Bulgarian. Pavel has created 3 socks with Джингиби" in the user name that I aware of. Cheers, Dlohcierekim (talk) 18:28, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

Hi Dlohcierekim. I've added "Джингиби" as a condition to edit filter 579. It should now flag an edit filter log entry (which will then signal bots to add automated AIV and UAA reports) when accounts are created with this string in their username. Let me know if you need anything else, and I'll be happy to help. Cheers -- ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 18:38, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

SPI case merges

Thanks for performing the case merge for Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/DeepNikita, but please leave this to the SPI clerks in future. It's quite easy to get this wrong, and in a lot more subtle ways than you did, so it's best left to people with experience with this sort of thing. Thanks again. Sir Sputnik (talk) 18:52, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

Sir Sputnik - I'm confused. Isn't the merge I made exactly what you requested me to do? Am I missing something? Let me know. ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 18:58, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

Close, but not quite. You'll note I specifically asked for an admin clerk to do the merge, for exactly that reason. Now there was no harm done. It was a relatively simple merge so I was able to do the rest of the process myself, but in a more complicated case that could have just created more work whoever reviewed the case for closure. Sir Sputnik (talk) 19:06, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

Sir Sputnik - Ohhhhhh snap. Yup, you got me there. I didn't read that word in your request. My apologies; I'll make better note to make sure you're not asking for an admin clerk next time. It was interesting, because I remember thinking to myself how unusual the request was and how a clerk should be doing this...... lol ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 19:13, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

Jonathan Mann

https://cnncommentary.com/2017/03/31/jonathan-mann-retires-from-cnn-after-30-plus-years/

Page deletion?

Why did you delete my talk page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by CoolBreeze33 (talk • contribs)

CoolBreeze33 - The deletion of your talk page was part of a mass deletion performed in order to revert a streak of page creations by an IP address that added explicit images in order to vandalize numerous articles and pages. The deletion simply reversed what the IP address did. Please let me know if you have any more questions or concerns, and I'll be happy to answer them and assist you further. Best -- ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 00:55, 28 October 2017 (UTC)

~Oshwah~ - Oh, ok. Yeah, that guy was trolling me for a while, I just gave up on deleting the image, over and over. Thanks. Also, do you know how I can get my article published? I just finished it but it still says "draft". I'm very new. P.S. How does this comment look? Did I get the formatting right? CoolBreeze33 (talk) 00:59, 28 October 2017 (UTC)

CoolBreeze33 - Your comment formatting seems fine to me (in fact, I'll say that you've picked it up much quicker than I observe with most new editors). You don't need to include the tildes on each side of "Oshwah" though; in fact, you can just enter {{yo|USERNAME TO PING}} instead of [[User:USERNAME TO PING|USERNAME TO PING]]; it's faster and it does the same thing. I use the latter formatting simply because I guess I'm old fashioned and I'm used to doing it :-). If your account is autoconfirmed, you can simply create a new article without having to make one in the draft space and have it reviewed and accepted first. However, it's good that you did it this way, since you're new and getting feedback from a reviewer before it's published is very helpful with learning how everything works. I believe that you're referring to Draft:Operation Morning Star; if so, then there's nothing you need to do. It's already been submitted for review; just hang back and wait for someone to take a look. Please let me know if you have any more questions or need help with anything. I'll be more than happy to help you with anything that you need. Also, welcome to Wikipedia! I hope you take off your jacket and choose to stay awhile! :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 01:14, 28 October 2017 (UTC)

Oswah - Thanks, I appreciate the feedback and I do wish to stay a while. It feels good to be Wiki police, and also being a part of history. These are the times when people like us are needed the most, with all the fake news about. I hope to be a good contributor for life. If Oswah, the master, would like to teach the young Padawan CoolBreeze33 anything else, I would be much obliged. I'm currently signed into the wiki chat room (just noticed you in chat). CoolBreeze33 (talk) 01:40, 28 October 2017 (UTC)

Hey, you got it working! Nice! ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 02:16, 28 October 2017 (UTC)

User_talk:45.59.13.210

Hello Oshwah! I've been keeping an eye on the lesst-han-ideal-edits this user does and had a couple questions:

• How do you find out if this is a school IP? All I know is that the company which owns is in New York and the address Geolocates to Iowa
• Should they get a preventive block? Or do we need to wait another 3 or 4 months of sporadic disruption?

Thanks, L3X1 (distænt write) 02:38, 28 October 2017 (UTC)

Hi L3X1, and thanks for leaving a message with your questions. In order to find out whether or not this IP is a school, we'll run a WHOIS on the IP. The information on a school will come back as one. However, if one doesn't come back as a school (as with this case - See the WHOIS I just ran), it doesn't necessarily mean that it is not a school. Behaviors consistent with one (usually vandalism that looks like someone at a school would cause) can still allow us to add an anonblock with a comment suspecting that this might be a school based on behavioral evidence. But to answer your question, a WHOIS is what I look to and I judge things on a case-by-case basis. It could still be a public IP, just not one in a school.

Since the IP has not edited in some time, I'm going to wait until it does and when the need for one is currently present. Let me know if you see this IP causing more trouble, and I'll be happy to take a look. In this case, the IP looks to come back as being from a company. We'll definitely want to keep eyes on this. Cheers -- ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 15:41, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

165.138.65.233

• 165.138.65.233 (talk · contribs · WHOIS)

Was this block supposed to be a school block? Regards. 24.10.102.248 (talk) 03:41, 28 October 2017 (UTC)

Yeah, it would have been a good idea for me to label it as such :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 17:13, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

To Sir With Love

Have you watched the Hindi movie Imtihaan? It is in no way based on To Sir With Love. Please watch the movie since you seem to have found my comment untrustworthy, having therefore removed it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.124.130.216 (talk • contribs) 06:09, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

Halloween cheer!

Happy Halloween!

---

Hello Oshwah:
Thanks for all of your contributions to improve Wikipedia, and have a happy and enjoyable Halloween!
    – Adityavagarwal (talk) 06:47, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

Send Halloween cheer by adding {{subst:Happy Halloween}} to user talk pages with a friendly message.

Hi Adityavagarwal! Thanks for the wishes, and I hope you have a happy and enjoyable Halloween as well :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 17:54, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

Thanks a bunch, Oshwah. You too, have a cool (ghostly!) halloween. :D Adityavagarwal (talk) 17:56, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

My profile

Hi. I need a little help with my profile, if you could just start editing it that'd be great.

Thanks,

Serena🐺 Serena Foxglove-Tollini (talk) 20:36, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

Serena Foxglove-Tollini - What do you need help with exactly? I'll be more than happy to answer any questions you may have... just let me know. ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 17:55, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

2405.205

The IP range whom you prevented from editing List of Presidents of India by a protection has started again once the protection expired. Please deal with this. To ping me add {{ping|Force Radical}} OR [[User:Force Radical]] 08:53, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

Force Radical - I just left a message on the user talk of the last IP that edited these pages asking why they are doing this. If it continues, let me know... ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 18:00, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

Despite waiting for a day and some AGF hoping that they would stop ,the IP are back to their childish editing pattern. While another admin @Dlohcierekim: has temporarily protected the List of Presidents of India and Government of India pages the IP is undeterred and continues to edit in the same pattern [here] .It would best if a permanent solution could be reached about this problem-To ping me add {{ping|Force Radical}} OR [[User:Force Radical]] 04:46, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

INtrigued. The last edits I see were my page protection for 1 week. -- Dlohcierekim (talk) 04:57, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

A username redaction I don't understand

Why did you hide the second username here? It looks to me like there's nothing wrong with it. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 12:42, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

Od Mishehu - It's from that same LTA that continues to harass and out Drmies (assuming you're talking about this one)? While it's not disruptive, I believed it to be an attempt to "generalize" and attempt to do this while purposefully staying under the radar. Please let me know if you have any more questions, and I'll be happy to answer them. ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 18:03, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

Paul Manafort

Care to semi? I'd like to close that tab at some point. RFPP seems to be slow going today. GMG^talk 13:13, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

GreenMeansGo - Already ahead of ya ;-). I also redacted a bunch of serious BLP violations from the history. Thanks for the message regarding this article; I'll continue to keep eyes on it just in case. Cheers -- ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 18:05, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

I saw. ...I mean... I saw five hours ago :P, but thanks anyway. No need for notification. I gots my peepers out. GMG^talk 18:07, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

Cool deal; I'm just making sure that I respond to everybody here and acknowledge the messages with a ping :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 18:09, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

Weird edit by my IP

Not many people use wikipedia in my household and the edit is very weird, sorry for the inconvenience, — Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.15.166.29 (talk • contribs) 17:46, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

Dear Oshawah, i am Very sorry for my editing it was just for a humour and i wont do it again

sincerly

KSRQ

I updated the affiliation detail because "Independent Public Radio" doesn't exist any more, all I did was update the name to what it is - AMPERS

Educational Inequality

Your reversion to my deletion of the Albania section was in error. That section was written with a biased point of view with no sources. "Household income in Albania is very low. Many families are unable to provide a college education for their kids, with the money they make," can and should be sourced. "This population of students needs a path to higher education," is a normative statement. "Nothing is being done for all the young adults who are smart enough to go to college but can not afford to," should be sourced if it is a true statement. 24.2.50.242 (talk) 08:00, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

PP

Hi, Oshwah - your PP at Chris Sherwin happened after the local consensus version had been reverted. As you can see,

• (1) This edit removed the 2 mo. old version without consensus.
• This edit restored it
• (2) The same editor reverted again
• I added it back stating to Discuss First
• (3) The same editor reverted again
• This edit restored it
• (4) The same editor reverted again

That's when you added PP, and locked the no-consensus version in, so the edit warrior won over local consensus. You can see on the TP that local consensus wants to keep the section he keeps reverting. We were discussing possibly trimming it down a bit but that was it. Also, the edit warrior has been equally disruptive at the DYK nom. I don't know if you can restore the initial version and then PP it to prevent the edit warrior from reverting again, or what else you might need so please advise. Thanks in advance, ^{Atsme📞📧} 02:43, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) @Atsme: You might want to consider an edit request. There are instructions at WP:RFPP. -- Dlohcierekim (talk) 02:57, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

Agreed with Dlohcierekim; an edit request must be filed. The discussion over whether or not to keep the section, as well as how much of it to trim, look to still be ongoing. I agree that consensus appears to be in favor to keep the section, but the fact that discussion regarding the amount and manner in which it needs improvement is incomplete shows that there is no consensus yet on a certain revision of the section. Due to these findings, I believe that an edit request and decision by another administrator is appropriate. I protected due to the reasons presented, the evidence I found, and the findings I determined at RFPP; this is the revision that it was at. As the protecting admin, it wouldn't be appropriate for me to factor any decision to change the current page revision. My main concern is that the revision that's protected now is in compliance with WP:BLP and it doesn't violate policies or contain vandalism. Another administrator can change if they feel the need to. ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 03:13, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

Rollback permission follow-up

Hello Oswah, Thanks for your comment last week [6]. It was very useful to guide me to do more edits over a longer period of time. I was wondering if I should wait another week (or two) and continuing reverting or if I should post another request. Again, thank you for guiding me. Cocohead781 (talk) 04:17, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

Cocohead781 - I trust you enough to grant it now. Please make sure to read the policy page and use the rights in line with that policy. If you have questions, please let me know. If you're unsure about anything, please ask me and I'll be happy to help you. Thank you for doing such hard work, and I'm quite pleased with your accomplishments :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 04:43, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

Conensus

Hello Oshwah, thank you for the closure at Special:Diff/808000240. Regarding "I made a vote in this discussion"; there doesn't appear to a contribution that could be classified as "a vote". WP:NOTVOTE reminds us "the use of the words "vote" and "voting" might not be the best choice". Would better phrasing be "I contributed to this dicsussion …"? —Sladen (talk) 08:50, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

Sure, done. ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 09:30, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

Baltimore Poly page

Thanks for the protection on the page. Must be Poly/City game week. (Go Poly, beat City!) RickinBaltimore (talk) 12:25, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

RickinBaltimore - HA! No problem. Always happy to be of assistance ;-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 13:06, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

More revdel

Hi, do these two revisions qualify for RD3? Thanks! ToThAc (talk) 15:59, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

ToThAc - Nah. This is simply someone trying to troll with child-like insults. I typically consider RD3 for threats, harassment, accusations, statements, and revisions that are grossly inappropriate, contain links to viruses or shock sites, are large enough in size or contain text or characters that cause browser-crashing or alters the web page's interface to be unusable. Thanks like that. Let me know if you have any other questions or if you need my help with anything else. I'll be happy to lend a hand ;-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 16:40, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

Got it, thanks! ToThAc (talk) 18:12, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

ToThAc - You bet :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 18:13, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

Talk:CEX.IO Bitcoin Exchange

Hey Osh, most recent edit at above here looks like it might be a sock of the editor who made this similar edit and who you subsequently blocked after disruption at the article page. Cheers, Eagleash (talk) 16:17, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

Eagleash - Sure is! User is indef'd as a sock. Thanks for the heads up :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 16:45, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

Thanks. Eagleash (talk) 17:15, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

You bet. ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 17:28, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

Of course socks come in pairs sometimes matching (or not). Eagleash (talk) 17:28, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

Halloween cheer!

Happy Halloween!

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Hello Oshwah:
Thanks for all of your contributions to improve Wikipedia, and have a happy and enjoyable Halloween!
    – Linguist^unEins^uno 19:08, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

Send Halloween cheer by adding {{subst:Happy Halloween}} to user talk pages with a friendly message.

A happy Halloween to you too, Linguist :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 03:38, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

Help

please how do i add source to articles on Wikipedia mobile app. i edited an article about juliana TOYO BABY, on the mobile app just Now i was unable to add the source of the mobile app, but before i could add it from my laptop you already reversed it. please can i get to know how i can add source on the mobile app — Preceding unsigned comment added by Towoju5 (talk • contribs) 22:50, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

Hi Towoju5! Have you read this guideline on how to do so? This should help you with how to cite a reference in-line with your content. Please let me know if you have any questions about the guideline, and I'll be happy to answer them. Welcome to Wikipedia!! :-D ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 03:40, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

Not Constructive

It's not constructive because the facts are not constructive, she is racist and her pare nts from a country where the Iriah Army served to protect the people — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.46.65.143 (talk) 23:04, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

@86.46.65.143: Talk page stalker here. Your addition was removed because it was unsourced, per WP:BURDEN. If you have a source, check if it is reliable here. If you have a question, feel free to ask it on my talk page. Have a great day! Cocohead781 (talk) 03:40, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

Religion in Nigeria

I just received your massage that you removed my update in population of muslims in Nigeria, may i know the reason why you did that ? or is there any string attached to it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Abbagoni (talk • contribs) 23:28, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

Hi Abbagoni, and thanks for leaving me a message with your question. Your edit here looked to be opinion-based, and I removed it because of these concerns. We need to add content that's worded in a neutral point of view and without bias; please let me know if you have any questions about the policy, and I'll be happy to answer them. Thanks again for your message, and I welcome you to Wikipedia! :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 03:43, 1 November 2017 (UTC)