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The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar

Hi, i just rode your dialouge in the teahouse about the time someone has to wait for his article to be reviewed. Could you do me the favour and review my article as well? I don't have to match any deadline or something, its just that I'm working on this article quite a while now and i would be happy when its launched. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:European_Jewish_Community_Center_/_EJCC Leonard Winder (talk) 14:11, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

for starters it appears you haven’t even submitted the draft for review, secondly I do not do reviews on request except it’s an exceptional circumstance, I’m afraid I can’t be of help to you but there are other editors who are open to this and would be willing to assist you. You may continue to seek guidance at the WP:TEAHOUSE or at the WP:HELPDESK. Celestina007 (talk) 00:11, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

A bowl of strawberries for you!

For taking the words today just right out of my mouth... CommanderWaterford (talk) 21:44, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

@CommanderWaterford,I admit my bias towards @Johnpacklambert & would almost always support and stand by him no matter what they claim he has done, but it is appalling the manner in which he is treated. I don’t know why he is being subjected to such ridicule every year, someone even went as far as bringing up the fact that he is autistic, I suffer from aggressive acromegaly(gigantism) I grow tall rapidly and I hope someone won’t use that against me in future. Celestina007 (talk)|

A second opinion, from someone I'm happy to disagree with

Hey, Celestina. Fair's fair. We know we each think the other does good work even if we have ideological disagreements. I've encountered an article on a Nigerian figure where I'm interested in seeking an opinion from someone who both knows quite a bit more than I do about Nigerian source assessment and who's more likely to skew 'not notable' than I.

I was patrolling CAT:G11 when I encountered the article Bakare Mubarak, which wasn't in good shape, but the amount of sigcov cited made me pause. I removed the tag before stubbing it into a shape that, while not exactly FA status, is at least not G11 eligible, while keeping the cites to allow policy-compliant expansion. I'm unsure how to assess the reliability of the cited sources, though, and am inclined to think I might err both too high and too low at different points. The sources that had Wikipedia articles of their own looked okay, but we both know how articles for organizations don't always match the reality, you know? I'd be happy if you could take a look at this (including the old version, which had a couple more sources omitted here) and see if this represents a GNG pass. Vaticidalprophet 15:34, 22 April 2021 (UTC)

@Vaticidalprophet, hello, it’s an interesting one, whilst I can definitely see at least WP:3REFS that are solid discussing the subject, they all however predominantly reference his height. The first version was definitely an advert but I don’t necessarily agree that it’s G11 eligible either. G11's apply to only irredeemably promotional content so I agree with the route you took. As to their notability status, at best I’d place it at BARE. Celestina007 (talk) 20:27, 22 April 2021 (UTC)

Igwe 2pac

Hello Celestina007, thank you for reviewing the draft article on Igwe 2pac. I see you raised notability concerns. In addition to this and this, I've added these sources 1 2 3 to show that the WP:GNG is met. This source also shows that he meets WP:ENT#2. I will also like to know why you made this edit labelling them 'inconsequential' because per WP:FILMOGRAPHY, references may be used in the filmography section. I have resubmitted the article and will appreciate if you leave it to an uninvolved reviewer. Thanks. The Sokks💕 ^_(talk) 19:23, 25 April 2021 (UTC)

@TheSokks, not quite. They are an actor but do not satisfy any criterion from NACTOR and if your argument is that they have a cult following thus they are notable then that is a flawed argument as a cult following is very much relative. I removed those sources adjacent the films they have featured in because that is a text book case of ref bombing to create a mirage of notability. They an actor who have not significantly taken up lead roles in the movies they have featured in, neither have they won any notable awards thus as an actor they aren’t notable. I also noticed you utilized pulse.ng severally in the article which isn’t exactly a reliable source. I am going ahead to decline the article until you can prove via reliable sources how they satisfy NACTOR. Furthermore see WP:SIGCOV which the subject of the draft article certainly doesn’t seem to have. Celestina007 (talk) 20:11, 25 April 2021 (UTC)

Dear Celestina007, You've comfortably left out the "Large fanbase" bit which this demonstrates that he still passes WP:ENT#2. Asides the pulse.ng (which is not an unreliable source btw), you've failed to address the other (12 3) sources highlighted which means that he meets SIGCOV as they are not mere mentions of the subject and is why I asked that you leave it to an uninvolved editor. Please leave it for a fresh pair of eyes. Thanks. The Sokks💕 ^_(talk) 21:07, 25 April 2021 (UTC)

@TheSokks, hello there, please do not use ”dear” when starting a conversation with me as it implies intimacy.

Now the first link you provided in your efforts to demonstrate they satisfy WP:SIGCOV is to my userpage, which is beyond weird, the second is anything but significant coverage, and the third is the same as the second as both do not constitute significant coverage. They simply aren’t notable and at best this is WP:BARE. Pulse.ng is not a reliable source as they fail to disclose when an article is a sponsored post or not. Please like I earlier stated do not resubmit an article immediately it was declined. You may want to read up on what constitutes WP:SIGCOV. Finally a large fan base like I stated is hopelessly useless when determining notability, anyone can buy followers on Twitter or Instagram. Look! hopefully, this would be final response to you, please do not inundate nor irritate me. Celestina007 (talk) 21:31, 25 April 2021 (UTC)

Celestina007, apologies I meant to provide this link. Pulse DOES signify sponsored posts as can be seen here, here and here. Having a large fanbase is clearly stated in WP:ENT#2 which is policy so I don't understand how you can assert that a large fan base like I stated is hopelessly useless when determining notability. What is important is that it is Verifiable. The Sokks💕 ^_(talk) 22:20, 25 April 2021 (UTC)

@TheSokks, Pulse.ng selectively does declare a post sponsored and more often than not they do not thus making it unreliable, or one of those sources you use cautiously. Having a large follower-ship doesn’t translate to notability, that you don’t understand this is evident you may understand how GNG works.

That Nigerian celebrities buy followers has been documented extensively by the media see here,here, and most imperative see here, I can go on and on but by now you should get the drift, so when I call having a large fan base hopelessly useless in establishing notability especially for Nigerians, (A country I have lived in for 20+ years and have become a citizen of btw ) I have a justified reason. By WP:GNG standards the subject of your draft article is lacking, by NACTOR standards they also fall short. So I’m not sure I understand your argument here. Might remind you that internet fame or real life popularity isn’t one and the same as notability. For a biographical article to be considered notable, the subject matter of the article has to be exceptional, you have to explain how or why they are notable. Celestina007 (talk) 21:31, 25 April 2021 (UTC)

The ANI is still open

The ANI against me is still open. This has become unreasonably wrong. Now there is a proposal to 100% ban me from any participation in AfD. This is getting more and more unreasonable.John Pack Lambert (talk) 12:06, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

@Johnpacklambert, which I wouldn’t let happen so help me God. Celestina007 (talk) 13:10, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

@Johnpacklambert and Celestina007: I was so happy when I went to see that it was closed. Thank the universe and thank you, also, Celestina. It should have been closed long before I even said anything. --ARoseWolf 14:17, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

@Tsistunagiska, yes! I was very much happy to see a bold sysop do the needful. I’m very much conservative about ANI’s unless it’s the last option, asides that, I view regular editors who stalk ANI’s and jump on all threads to air their opinions as fame hunters and nothing more. Similar to people who frequent Jimbo's tp. Celestina007 (talk) 18:17, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

Coty Hernández

Hello Celeste, what happened to my article about the Argentine singer Coty Hernández? has valid references

@‎Julian Aristiqui, beats me. Furthermore, please always WP:SIGN, which you must learn as a matter of necessity. Celestina007 (talk) 22:23, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

If you are referring to Draft:Coty Hernández, for starters, it met WP:DRAFTIFY, secondly, it was declined at AFC by CommanderWaterford, who you should be talking to and not me. Celestina007 (talk) 18:34, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

@Julian Aristiqui Your article had been moved to draft by Celestina and I declined the submission because your subject does not meet sufficient notability per Wikipedia:NMUSICIAN for having an article here. CommanderWaterford (talk) 18:41, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

Stubs

Why? They meet notability guidelines. QatarStarsLeague (talk) 16:01, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

@QatarStarsLeague, if they are is not my point & never was, re-read the message on your tp and you’d see that never did I ever mention notability. My point is they are unsuitable for mainspace, you cant binge create or churn out articles with one source and expect them to remain on mainspace. That’s why a Draftspace or sandbox exists. Celestina007 (talk) 16:10, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

• • The point of bringing redlinks into the mainspace is to encourage further additions. This is why no one else has ever suggested these articles be moved to draftspace. QatarStarsLeague (talk) 16:12, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

I don’t think I understand what you are trying to imply but like I said, churning out cookie-cutter stubs and including just one source(an unreliable one I might add) is not suitable for mainspace/mainspace worthy, If you don’t understand this, I see no point of this dialogue. Celestina007 (talk) 16:20, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

MOS

Hi. I am updating an old article (Douglas Wright (murderer)), do you think it should be renamed to Douglas Wright (serial killer)? Or possibly Douglas Franklin Wright? Or leave as it is? Thank you. Inexpiable (talk) 09:18, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

@Inexpiable, sorry, for the late response. So basically when naming an article you want it to be a recognizable common name. I don’t know much about the article's history and neither did I really have the time to check but it seems to have been redirected from Douglas Franklin Wright which was its original title to this current one Douglas Wright (murderer), I did a brief google search on the name Douglas Franklin Wright and it is my opinion that, that was the most appropriate title as a search under the aforementioned name seems to be the most recognizable. I hope this helps. If you wish to contest the current title you may do so at the tp of the article or communicate directly to whoever did the renaming, if an understanding or compromise can’t be reached, an WP:RM may be evoked. Celestina007 (talk) 00:38, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Questions on WP:NMEDIA

I am here with more questions. You should have never explained WP:BASIC so well. So it's on you now. Ok. My question is, for newspapers, magazines and journals, criteria 4 says are frequently cited by other reliable sources.

• My mind that constantly wants to quantify everything, asks the same question - how many times they should be cited by other reliable sources? Like the introduction of this essay itself says, media doesn't report on itself...
• By this we mean outside wikipedia, right?
• What does it mean cite here? Means they should say as reported by or simply talk about the subject in question?
• What are the reliable sources here? Does same policy apply that there should be editorial oversight etc?

Another question, any news website that doesn't have a print version, it won't count in WP:NMEDIA?

Thanks! Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 16:14, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

@Nomadicghumakkad, Thanks. I appreciate the compliment which I presume is related to the Teahouse question you asked and response I gave, Ha! I studied under Barkeep49 which imo is as tough as an RFA.

Okay, to answer your questions, NMEDIA basically tries to mirror GNG on a fundamental level but has additional criteria if when met may or may not be considered notable. As per your first question: When NMEDIA talks about cite it definitely means off wiki. As per your second question, Yes! some outlets report incidents and boldly indicate that part of the material they used came from another superior media outlet (usually a renowned very reliable one). Per your third question, a reliable source must possess both editorial oversight and a reputation for fact checking(there’s no circumnavigating that) Per you last question NMEDIA mainly refers to traditional media. In the back of your mind should be this: In summary, and all criterion aside, a media outlet is considered notable chiefly if they satisfy our general notability criteria. Celestina007 (talk) 18:41, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

Hey Celestina007, thank you for this explanation. This definitely helps. It helped me review Draft:Gaon Dastak that I was stuck at for long time. What I sort of understand (and also conclude on my own) is that by cite it can't be trivial mention. Either it should credit for some fact or reporting or should discuss it or talk about it. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 16:07, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

Olufunke Adekoya

Hi Celestina007, thank you for your work in the community. I noticed that the article on Olufunke Adekoya is still in draft one month after the article was created and after your earlier concerns about the article was addressed. Please could you be so nice as to help review the article? I believe the article, in its current form, meets Wikipedia eligibility requirements. I would also welcome your contributions to the article if you think the article still need some improvements. Thanks for all times. Omorodion1 (talk) 15:40, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

@Omorodion1, I’m just returning from work. Give me little time to take a look at the draft article and get back to you. Celestina007 (talk) 18:38, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

@Omorodion1, unfortunately I still do not see the problems as addressed the sources are a serious mess, I did a little MOS related work on the article but MOS is not even the problem. The sources are! Start by removing every unreliable source in that article and just include the best three or four you can find. Do not use sources which are dependent on her or have a COI with her, do not use user generated sources, that is, sources she conjured or created her self. I must confess also that I’m biased about this article because it appears she works for an organization that paid UPE editors severally for an article on them, so I’m leaving this to another AFC reviewer without this knowledge I possess to review the article based on its own merits, but that aside, just like I stated start with removing all unreliable sources. Celestina007 (talk) 18:53, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

Thanks Celestina007 for your time and recommendation. I will revisit the sources again at the earliest possible time and hope a reviewer finds time to review the page. regards. Omorodion1 (talk) 19:02, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

@Omorodion1, a good choice. Hell! I may choose to overlook my prejudice insofar as You can get at least three good sources which aren’t sponsored posts, have editorial oversight and a reputation for fact checking. You may use this for guidance but that doesn’t reflect community consensus but are my standards all the same. If you can fix the sources problem you may ping me to have a third look and I’d be willing to. Celestina007 (talk) 19:10, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

Message from Tosin Opaleke

Hello Celestina, I saw that you nominated for speedy deletion an article I created less than 24 hours ago. That was the first draft that was published and I was waiting for critiques on it so as to improve the article. Furthermore, I would like to categorically state that I am not being compensated to write the article.

How do I get the page draft back please so I can improve on it?

--Tosinopaleke (talk) 08:54, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

@Tosinopaleke, hello, if you are unsure of your editing skills or knowledge of policy, moving forward, you may want to consider using the WP:AFC method to create articles. Furthermore you are allowed to test your editing skills and try out new stuff in your sandbox. I forgot to mention earlier, reading how to create my first article decently would also prove pivotal. Do not also forget to read WP:PAID and endeavor to tell us if or not you are accepting financial rewards for creating specific articles. Thank you for your time. Celestina007 (talk) 23:14, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

Drafts

Hello, Celestina007,

I noticed reviewing User:JJMC89 bot/report/Draftifications/daily that several articles you moved into Draft space had just been recreated in main space. Does AFC have a policy about what to do when this happens? Although User:Abdul Tanko originally created the articles, User:Clarissagum recreated them. I posted a note on Clarissagum's user talk page but I don't know if this is a sign of coordination, sockpuppetry or just an active WikiProject. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:46, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello Liz, and thanks for stopping by. Both editors as well as most Nigerian editors are currently in a competition and the goal of that competition is to see who creates the most articles(pertaining to gubernatorial elections) I doubt this is off wiki coordination or anything of that nature. In my opinion it’s more of an opportunist sort of behavior. I feel User:Clarissagum saw that most of the articles created by User:Abdul Tanko were being draftified due to the fact that User:Abdul Tanko mass created several unsourced articles. In my opinion i feel like User:Clarissagum hijacked their draft articles via cut and paste, included sources to the article and then published the article thus making it their own article. This is not sock or meat puppetry as far as i am concerned. Hope I was able to be of help.Celestina007 (talk) 02:26, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

Well, this would also explain all of the red link categories that pertain to Nigerian gubernatorial elections that have been popping up on Special:WantedCategories for the past couple of weeks. I thought we just had a very active editor with a very particular interest in elections. Should the new version also be moved into Draft space? The only time I've seen this happen before is with competing editors creating multiple articles on upcoming movies. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:03, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

@Liz, if the hijacked articles are better improved(that is they now have RS included in them) I see no justification for draftifying any longer. I’d just leave a template warning on hijacking of articles on the tp of the editor that hijacked the article. Celestina007 (talk) 16:23, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

Gyidi

Hello I hope I can ask for an independent review of this article as always. I came across this Gyidi article. It seems promotional, and subject in the article doesn't meet the Wikipedia notability tag with regards to WP:GNG Or notable with singers, actors.....entertainers. Article seems to have stayed on for a while. Kindly have a look at it for me. Ampimd (talk) 15:58, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

Believe (Gyidi EP) all references from here too are dead ends. Interesting one. Ampimd (talk) 16:00, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

@Ampimd, it is definitely conflict of interest editing, possibly undisclosed paid I didn’t bother checking the identity of the article creator but whoever it is has moderate knowledge on how to make UPE look like legit work. I’m going ahead to strip it of all unreliable sources as well as the promotional content in the article after which I’m sending it to AFD. Thanks for bringing this to me. Celestina007 (talk) 16:10, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

@Ampimd, it may interest you to know that I have nominated the article for deletion see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gyidi. If you find anymore articles pertaining to Africans which you think are dubious, you may as usual bring it to my notice. Celestina007 (talk) 22:12, 22 May 2021 (UTC)

Mohammed Aminu Baka shouldn't be in AfD

Hi, Celestina007. The above-mentioned article is not mere a page about a mere non-notable governorship aspirant as you thought. It is about a notable philantropist whose life and bio is newsworthy to this great encyclopedia. After the article got nominated for deletion, I have restructured it with more worthy informations backed with reliable sources. With this, I hereby request, most humbly, that you remove Mohammed Aminu Baka from AfD. Brainbox (talk) 06:43, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

@Zakari Brainbox The AfD process runs to completion once started. You may make policy based contributions to the discussion if you have not done so already Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^{Talk to me} 08:24, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

Having looked at the advert for the political candidate, this article will fail (0.9 probability). Wikipedia may not be used for political campaigning. Do you have a relationshio of some sort with Baka, Zakari Brainbox? If so you must declare it on your user page. Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^{Talk to me} 08:32, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

• @Zakari Brainbox, I understand your frustration, as I have been in your position during my early days of editing. Timtrent has done justice to your query by explaining to you what Wikipedia is not. If you have specific questions I’m willing to listen and reply to them, even better, you may go to the WP:TEAHOUSE and ask questions there and you would get instantaneous replies. Celestina007 (talk) 09:36, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

@Celestina007, Thanks for your understanding. I'll gladly welcome your ideas. @Fiddle Faddle^Timtrent, I'll put your kind words and suggestions under advisement. Yours in Wikipedia,Brainbox (talk) 10:47, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

@Zakari Brainbox Your argument at the deletion discussion is likey to fail because you have not demonstarted by use of policy how ity complies wiyth WP:GNG. You may wonder why those suggesting it be deleted have not been more specific, but they do not have to be, It is incumbent on thise wishing an article to remain to demonstrate beyond doubt and with precision that it complies and how it complies. These are both done by excellence of referencing.

For a living person we have a high standard of referencing. Every substantive fact you assert, especially one that is susceptible to potential challenge, requires a citation with a reference that is about them, and is independent of them, in multiple secondary sources which are WP:RS, and is significant coverage. Please also see WP:PRIMARY which details the limited permitted usage of primary sources and WP:SELFPUB which has clear limitations on self published sources. Providing sufficient references, ideally one per fact cited, that meet these tough criteria is likely to make this article a clear "keep" (0.9 probability). Lack of them or an inability to find them is likely to mean that the person is not suitable for inclusion, certainly today.

Note that we need excellence, by which I mean quality. I do not mean quantity. Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^{Talk to me} 11:28, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

@Zakari Brainbox, thank you. but you need to listen to what Timtrent has been telling you so far. Celestina007 (talk) 12:04, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

Ani Notice

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. 331dot (talk) 14:11, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

@331dot, Thanks, I’m going to make my contribution there right away! Celestina007 (talk) 15:58, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

It’s heartbreaking seeing a fine editor go from being a productive editor to a banned editor in less than 72 hours. More perplexing is what initiated his ban, all he had to do was acknowledge his shortcomings. Nothing more. Celestina007 (talk) 17:56, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

@Celestina007:

Thanks Celestina! God bless! Antonio Cool Breeze Lime Guy Martin (wassup?) 00:30, May 23, 2021 (UTC)

@AntonioMartin, I appreciate the kind words but it’s no big deal, no one tells the minimum wage earning pizza delivery boy a “thank you” for doing their job because it is expected of them to do their job, same applies here. So no it’s no biggie! Thanks all the same.Celestina007 (talk) 01:54, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

Regarding an AFD

Hello, on may 22nd, I opened an AFD for a Malayalam film Vellinakshatram (2004 film). Today, on 27th may, TheWikiholic closed the afd as Keep, without even a single Keep vote. Have a look at this Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Vellinakshatram (2004 film). I think at least 7 days is mandatory for a closure unless it doesn't have an up vote, right? Regards, Powerful Karma (talk) 11:25, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Celestina007, Vellinkashathram is one of the highest-grossing movies of the 2000s. I have closed the AFD per WP:Speedy Keep by considering his action as vandalism. This user has been nominating similar types of articles daily stating he has done WP: BEFORE. I'm highly suspicious about the editing behavior of this editor. This user only started to edit Wikipedia 20 days ago. Within that period, he has nominated more than 26 pages for deletion as you can see on his AFD log. I'm highly suspicious that this user is an experienced user who has been blocked indefinitely for similar behavior in the past.— TheWikiholic (talk) 12:41, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

TheWikiholic, I just nominated unsourced articles. And here what I've mentioned is the action you performed. With out even a single Keepvote, how can you close an afd as Speedy Keep? And what is the matter of experience here? What vandalism I did? You can have a look at the same afd log, the nominations I made... Any admins can check those nominations and my identity. Powerful Karma (talk) 13:04, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

I have removed your nomination based on 2 & 3 per this. I've found your argument of you having done WP:BEFORE is false and that's why I've managed to find sources for those articles. You also nominated the articles like this, which won awards, for deletion. It clearly shows that you have not even read the article properly before nominating a page for deletion.— TheWikiholic (talk) 13:27, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

I'm not sure why this discussion is here, but, TheWikiholic, you cannot close an AfD improperly based on your opinion of the nomination and of the nominator. If you have problems with either of those, you can take the matter to WP:ANI - or WP:SPI if you have evidence of socking, including at least one other account. As for the AfD itself, you should have !voted instead of closing it. At this point, it should be relisted to get more !votes.--Bbb23 (talk) 13:34, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

There was no references at all when I nominated the film. And the award was not to the film but to the Director and singer. I think it fails WP:NFOE. Powerful Karma (talk) 13:42, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

@Powerful Karma: That's not true. There were three references in the article when you nominated it. Additionally, lack of sources does not necessarily make a subject unnotable; that is the reason for WP:BEFORE. Please learn to WP:INDENT.--Bbb23 (talk) 13:56, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Bbb23, I'm not talking about Vellinakshathram film, I'm talking about Karayilekku Oru Kadal Dooram. The wikiholic just mentioned about that too. That's why I replied. Powerful Karma (talk) 13:58, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Powerful Karma The claim seems to be wrong. When I checked the article Karayilekku Oru Kadal Dooram now it has a reference before you have nominated it for AFD. Currently the webpage is not available, but InternetArchiveBot has already achieved it and added that link in 2020.-❙❚❚❙❙ GnOeee ❚❙❚❙❙ ✉ 14:15, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

This does not meet NFILM. Nothing other than the award. Powerful Karma (talk) 14:20, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

• I’m going to recuse myself from participating in the AFD because I admit I do have a bias as to this situation or any situation baring a semblance to this, on one hand I have a new editor who I expressly told to come to me whenever they were confused, on the other hand I have an editor trying to prove the new editor isn’t “new”, a situation I have been in severally whilst fighting undisclosed paid editing. whilst my 'hands are tied' I can however speak on editor conduct and how to handle this correctly. Firstly, @TheWikiholic, I don’t doubt your experience here, I don’t doubt that you believe your motives are genuine , and of course I don’t doubt your expertise either. I haven’t looked into anything pedantically but from what has been said here, I can say this; speedy closing an AFD as Keep without a single keep !vote generally falls under WP:BADNAC, even if there were more than 1 keep !vote, Futhermore, criterion #2 of WP:CSK has to be glaring, that is, very obvious, such as (WP:GAME) or Revenge nominations, If not, isn’t a valid rationale to speedy close an AFD. If you think there is something off with Powerful Karma, as correctly suggested by Bbb23, you can, with cogent evidence take that to WP:AN/I or open an WP:SPI, If not, just allow it, several good faith editors and even administrators have been burned because of this, even when it was crystal clear they had good motives and the integrity of the collaborative project at heart. Now, @Powerful Karma, nominating or mass nominating articles due to lack of sources isn’t the right approach, lack of sources, except for WP:BLP’s (which fall under WP:BLPPROD) isn’t a valid reason to nominate an article for deletion, rather, you perform a WP:BEFORE look for sources and add it to the article, in the absence an AFD is valid. Finally, these comments should be made to the appropriate AFD venues and not here. Consensus is determined by the community in the appropriate venues. Celestina007 (talk) 14:51, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Just wanted to say...

Just wanted to tell you how excellent this is: Interplay between UPE , Sockpuppetry & Advanced User Rights on your user page, and hope one day you turn it into an essay for the community. UPE's and socks burn up so much of our time and energy in maintaining the integrity of the 'pedia when we could be doing more productive things. I never made the connection with user rights until I read this. Thank you, and hope all is well. Netherzone (talk) 17:16, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

@Netherzone, All is well, well except for my acromegaly that is, haha, thanks for the kind words and do stay safe, I probably might, at this juncture I’m taking one step at a time. Once again, your kind words are appropriated. Happy weekend amigo! Celestina007 (talk) 17:22, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Celestina007, and you also enjoy the weekend, my fellow editor on another continent! Netherzone (talk) 17:26, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

@Netherzone, From Nigeria with love. Celestina007 (talk) 19:56, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

I saw in a message below that you are in the hospital. Hope it goes well, and that you have a good recovery. Please don't let wikipedia add stress to your life. When problem editors get me down, I think of it like characters in a situation comedy and that always seems to make me smile. Netherzone (talk) 02:01, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

@Netherzone, thanks for the kind words NZ. A hobby can’t stress you now can it? It’s an acromegaly related surgery. But oh my! It’s a good feeling to feel this loved. Celestina007 (talk) 08:52, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

UNFAIR REJECTION

Please state how does it qualify in WP_NOT Sequel5 (talk) 21:46, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

@Sequel5, WP:NOT references using Wikipedia for purposes not compatible with our terms of use. In this case that would using Wikipedia as a means for promoting a non notable organization. Have you read WP:GNG yet? if not, reading it now would prove helpful. Celestina007 (talk) 21:52, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

I believe it is "promoting a non notable organization just because I do not know of an independent reference. Cause the company seems to be very popular in the surroundings. But now I know the reason. Thanks. Will request again once other independent sources cover about the company Sequel5 (talk) 22:25, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

@Sequel5, a popular company doesn’t necessarily mean a notable company. Popularity may not be used interchangeably with notability as they aren’t one and the same. For the article to be accepted, WP:NCORP has to be met and for NCORP to be met reliable sources must be used in the article. I’m willing to assist you so if you have more questions let me know. Celestina007 (talk) 22:32, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

I understood. Can anyone else other than me in the future edit and approve the same? I wish I want to be the first to publish this. Please let me know Sequel5 (talk) 22:39, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

@Sequel5, yes insofar as the organization satisfies NCORP anyone may in the future add more sources to the article or re-write the article and submit it for approval at AFC. Celestina007 (talk) 22:44, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

You were very informative. Thank you! Sequel5 (talk) 23:00, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

@Sequel5, glad I could be of help. Celestina007 (talk) 23:04, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Thanks

Hi - hope all is well with you. Thanks for your recent pings and your work in patrolling new pages I've started. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 07:55, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

@Lugnuts, you are welcome mate. Celestina007 (talk) 08:00, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Regrets

Was working on an artiste who is culturally significant important to our part of the world, and within minutes, it gets shifted to draft space. In my past experience, an article can remain there in limbo for months, and this is the best way to kill any initiative for contributing to the Wikipedia. My thoughts on this: [1] Fredericknoronha (talk) 21:44, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

@Fredericknoronha, hello, sorry to hear that but unfortunately it did not meet the requirements to remain on mainspace. The article comprised of three sources, a user generated sources and two other sources which were music download websites. However, I did see potential, hence I drafitified the article and did not nominate it for deletion, the article in draftspace allows you ample time to look for better sources to add to the article. I should however mention that the article does indeed have an encyclopedic tone, but a WP:BEFORE search i conducted didn’t turn up much, perhaps you would have better luck than I did. I should also correct a misconception here, which is, observing other articles on Wikipedia having average or bad sources shouldn’t be a reason to equally do the same. I do not mean to be offensive if it comes off to you as such. I’m happy to answer more questions from you. Celestina007 (talk) 22:01, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Not that I intend to keep getting caught in such issues, but I do feel there is an underlying systemic bias against (i) smaller communities (ii) those which are less digitised, especially in a global context which hardly reports on 95% of the planet (iii) those on the "periphery" of the larger cities and seemingly far away from the "centre of the world" when it comes to creating and retaining articles on the Wikipedia, particularly the English Wikipedia. We are often told/hinted that we should be working on smaller, regional Wikipedias (suggested as an alternative to English). My only point is that I can't really help if English has become my first language, due to circumstances of history beyond my control. It is unfair if not illogical to assume that the "ownership" of the language should be situated somewhere in Western Europe or Northern America. Have faced this problem many times, and I only wish more editors would appreciate such issues or how it affects the attempts to build "the sum total of the knowledge of the world". The one-size-fits-all approach cannot really take care of global diversity... Fredericknoronha (talk) 22:20, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Also, had mentioned that I was in the process of getting the citations. A little time could have been given. Once in Draft, it takes months together (see the link above, to one specific case, involving a prominent institution in our region) to get it out of draft. Fredericknoronha (talk) 22:24, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

@Fredericknoronha, The draftspace was designed for editors to perfect their work(which includes sourcing) as a prerequisite for publishing to mainspace. Furthermore, it isn’t necessary hard to get a draft article out of draftspace to mainspace. You could resubmit the draft and ping me to have a second look at the draft article and if it looks okay(all problems addressed) I could always accept and publish it to mainspace immediately. Celestina007 (talk) 22:33, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar
	For all the help and advice on recent sock-related events. Maybe a more subtle approach is for the best, instead of my kick the door down and ask questions later technique! Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 16:34, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

@Lugnuts, Aye! You are far too kind. Celestina007 (talk) 17:58, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

No problem. I see while I've been having the luxury of sleep, you've had a chance to sample the delights of the drama board! Never a dull day in Wiki-land. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 07:40, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

@Lugnuts, it’s way too funny, I have an editor extremely vexed at me because I caught them engaging in UPE. In any case they have been handed a block for a week. Celestina007 (talk) 07:45, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello

Can you please look into this?.— TheWikiholic (talk) 17:07, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

@TheWikiholic, I’m editing from a hospital bed so please bare with me if the replies are slow. Their WiFi is horrible, Okay let’s start, it does appear to be conflict of interest editing, you know how we do it, leave a warning message on the tp of the editor involved, (try and engage them) if they deny it, ask about the image and how it came about to be their “own work” if the answers are improbable or appear to be intentionally deceptive, it implies they aren’t here to build an encyclopedia and are deserving of a block, so what you do next is to take them to the COIBOARD, after which you then go back to the article perform a WP:BEFORE search if the subject is not notable, nominate it for deletion. Furthermore check the article for spam links and remove them. Celestina007 (talk) 17:54, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

I'm sorry to hear that you are unwell. I hope you have a speedy recovery and that I hope that Wikipedia didn't add to any stress for you. Best wishes. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:41, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

@Liz, thanks for the love Liz, It’s no wiki related stress, trust me, what you love can’t really stress you, it’s acromegaly related. Celestina007 (talk) 08:49, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

Random

Hi, what's your take on the current happening in the South Eastern part of Nigeria especially with respect to the president's recent announcement? Stormy Chamber (talk) 21:26, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

@Stormy Chamber, Marvel, I consider them incendiary, Unbecoming of the traits of any Leader, I honestly can’t be bothered about Nigeria, the country is headed towards a civil war and if it does come to that I honestly would move to Utah. “The south easterners would soon receive the shock of their lives”, what sort of president says such? the country is going into a civil war before 2024 & Mi o raye oshi, I’m definitely moving out. Celestina007 (talk) 21:43, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for responding, nice to hear from you again. A great thing you have options. To be clear, I think the statement was "Whoever wants the destruction of the system will soon have the shock of their lives".

Yup! I vaguely remember it was something along those lines, all the same, a rather morbid statement from a president. Paul said it best , “I have faith, but I have a plan B” Celestina007 (talk) 22:08, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

Request: Argument for non-deletion/ Inkxpert

Most of the sources mentioned in the reference links section are notable (if you find any reference non-notable, you can edit the article and remove the link), and Inkxpert is a notable organization.

You can also check the below notable links: https://www.linkedin.com/company/inkxpert-inc, https://www.facebook.com/inkxpertinc, https://www.instagram.com/inkxpertofficial/

I request you to remove the deletion tag from the Inkxpert page.

Hello, all the sources you listed are the quintessential examples of the inverse of reliable sources. Please read WP:RS to understand what a reliable source is. Celestina007 (talk) 19:22, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

I have made adjustments as recommended to the Draft:Sanusi Mohammed Ohiare

Hello Celestina007, thank you once again for your comment and recommendation on the Draft:Sanusi Mohammed Ohiare, I have made the adjustments for your attention please. Awaiting your prompt action as usual. Regards. Bibihans (talk) 22:11, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

@Bibihans,  Done Congratulations Bibihans, Although the “Association membership” section of the article still needs a revamp. Celestina007 (talk) 12:28, 3 June 2021 (UTC)

Mischievous

Hey. You are not the first person by any means to call me that, and I gladly accept it as a compliment. :) Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 15:55, 3 June 2021 (UTC)

@Alexandermcnabb, oh no, I didn’t mean that in a bad way, In-fact, thanks for bringing the AFD to my notice, I meant it in a “I see what you did there” manner and I’m sorry if it came off as something other than that. Celestina007 (talk) 16:52, 3 June 2021 (UTC)

It didn't! We're good. :) Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 07:58, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

@Alexandermcnabb, you actually did the collaborative project a huge favor go to the tp of Nnadigoodluck, I have been unearthing several undisclosed paid editing, I just unearthed this Godspower Oshodin this morning, I unearthed about four last night. Celestina007 (talk) 12:31, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

I did, I noted the conversation you were having there with them. It looked like a pattern of longstanding, relentless UPE, which is why I invoked the Fell Spirit Celestina!!! :) Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 14:07, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

@Alexandermcnabb, there are still more to unearth, using Xtools It precisely shows almost all article's they created towards late December 2020 were all UPE, the Green October Event, Green October Event 2016, and all in that series, all of them, none of them pass WP:EVENT. Celestina007 (talk) 14:17, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

@Alexandermcnabb, I just unearthed this: La Mode Magazine, I was thinking of insisting on removal of their Autopatrol and NPP rights indefinitely but i think an indefinite block on them is the only way out at this juncture. They have virtually created spam after spam after spam and done so blatantly and with impunity. Your ping just saved the integrity of Wikipedia. Celestina007 (talk) 14:44, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

Maybe ANI is the place to go and get 'em all nuked? Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 14:45, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

@Alexandermcnabb, i have yet unearthed more: Olakunle Jamiu Azeez, between ANI and COIN, I think I should probably go with ANI as you suggested, but an RFA is ongoing and that is my major problem, you know how our community obsesses about RFA's and pay little attention to other things. Anyway i am going to be unearthing more of their covert UPE tonight but it’s an arduous task as they mix spam with good work and productive work. Celestina007 (talk) 20:35, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

@Celestina007: this might be - further - food for thought; one week after the suspected UPD editor created Draft:Krystal Okeke, this article was published, which states that the Wikipedia page was set up by a PR firm called Amity Global Network. At the time of the linked article's publication, User:Nnadigoodluck (pinging for comment if they choose) was the only editor to have edited the article. In addition, it seems that Alex Nwankwo (whose Wiki article was created by the same editor) is the CEO of Amity Global Network. Some thorough explanation or sanction is needed. SamHolt6 (talk) 02:21, 6 June 2021 (UTC)

@SamHolt6, exactly, that was the major reason I opened this at ANI, i have requested that both Autopatrol and NPR be removed from their perms. I don’t envisage them saying anything as they have been nabbed red handed in undisclosed paid editing. In sincerity, all thanks to both DGG & Alexandermcnabb for bringing this to my notice. Celestina007 (talk) 02:36, 6 June 2021 (UTC)

@DGG, played a very pivotal role here worthy of praise, if they weren’t one of the view sysops that patrol the article creations of editors with Autopatrol rights, I may have never nabbed Nnadigoodluck and their incessant UPE articles. I am also trying to propose an indefinite block on Nnadigoodluck, but would wait and see how ANI plays out. Celestina007 (talk) 02:41, 6 June 2021 (UTC)

• I think Bradv said it best, whilst I can’t remember word for word what they said, i vaguely remember it to be along the lines of “if you don’t have cogent evidence to indict an editor in UPE, you can nominate for deletion all articles of theirs that have tale signs of UPE by that you drive them out of business” I have abided by that and as of now I have nominated two-third of their shady looking articles for deletion. Even better is as of now, I now have proof and have included it my report against them at ANI. Celestina007 (talk) 02:58, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
• Their only luck is that my report coincides with two RFA's open so the community is as usual pillorying RFA candidates, but in any case an eventuality is an eventuality. We have tolerated their UPE long enough. Celestina007 (talk) 04:33, 6 June 2021 (UTC)

Quick Thank You

Hello,

I appreciate your help in letting me know how to use talk page and reaching out to editors. My experience so far on Wikipedia has, honestly, mostly not been good and I have appreciated the handful of editors that have reached out, given a good explanation, a suggestion for help, and not acted inappropriately. I wanted to let you know that you have been proper, respectful, and helpful during my time here. I am still a bit on the fence as to how much longer I will continue being an editor (due to some bad experiences and lack of accountability by some other editors) and I wanted to use this time before things possibly get hectic to reach out and say thank you :) PS: Apologies if this is a bit long but wanted to give a proper thank you and some context. Take care! Updatewithfacts (talk) 22:46, 3 June 2021 (UTC)

@Updatewithfacts, it’s no worry, I appreciate the kind words, editing here can be stressful but if you can find a particular area that interests you, I implore you to please stay, if in doubt i am always here to answer your questions. Celestina007 (talk) 23:22, 3 June 2021 (UTC)

notability ?

What's your opinion of the notability for Evannie Isioma Patrick and Ogenna Ekwubiri] ? You know the reliability of sources in this field better than I, but my first instinct would be to question the articles on grounds of both notability and promotionalism . DGG ( talk ) 04:35, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

@DGG, both appear to be non notable but have a mirage of notability if you don’t pedantically look into them. The first article mirrors the second article. In Evannie Isioma Patrick the first source used appears to be the only reliable source and reliable piece used throughout the article. The other 8 sources used are reliable sources but most definitely not reliable pieces, most of them do not have a byline, which is indicative of a guest editor. The same applies for Ogenna Ekwubiri. They are both WP:ADMASQ's and I would classify both articles as possible undisclosed Paid editing. I am troubled that the user possesses Autopatrol and could be engaging in covert UPE. Celestina007 (talk) 11:05, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

A barnstar for your integrity!

		The Barnstar of Integrity
		For your excellent essays, especially: WP:CONNECTTHEDOTS. Thank you for all you do to maintain the integrity of the encyclopedia! Netherzone (talk) 16:08, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

@Netherzone, thanks mate, I appreciate. Celestina007 (talk) 16:45, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

sharing experiences

What do you think are the proportion of UPE we are missing these days? . My impression is that we missed a great many in the first 5 years of the project, judging by what I found when I joined, and it has decreased since; but it is difficult to distinguish the true UPEs from the coi editors working without monetary payment, and also to distinguish both of them from the good faith editors who write in a promotional style because that's what they see here--and that's what they've seen in media generally, as the world is permeated by advertising.

I'm concerned about the ones we keep because we don't notice or don't catch; but I am even more concerned with the ones we do catch, but where people here insist on keeping the articles--and keeping the promotionalism. In some fields it is almost impossible to get promotional articles deleted at afd: the overlapping categories of entertainment generally, internet celebrities, and "influencers"; popular eating places and other venues; charitable endeavors and vogue products and firms, and attractive people with minor accomplishments. A few years ago I would have aded, articles from editathons without adequate control, but those running the sessions are now more careful. I would also have added editing projects to fill major gaps, but these projects too are gradually improving in quality, though some still work from lists of people many of whom might not be notable .

Our attempt to decrease promotionalism of companies by using the current much stricter NCORP has generally worked, but it has had the side effect of making it harder to include actually important firms in fields whee there is little attention from the public.

I don't know any good technique for handling these. The only thing that sometimes works is to go back again a year or two later when sometimes interest has decreased, so they are at least not kept permanently. I like others have lists, butt hey've been swamped by trying to deal also with the many nely incoming drafts and articles. My current method to avoid feeling personally frustrated, is to simply ignore the worst of the fields. DGG ( talk ) 17:28, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

@DGG, I was initially going to say the amount of UPE we miss is directly proportional to the ones we catch, but no, we miss a whole lot of undisclosed paid editing and the Autopatrol rights have made a tangible number of UPE go undetected for several years. Save for you and others who patrol the work of editors with Autopatrol, the collaborative project would be inundated with UPE articles, ironically as opposed to helping in NPP, Autopatrol is actually doing the inverse, at least that is the truth for African bad faith editors who often do everything they can in order to get this perm after which they begin perpetuating UPE. I don’t appreciate the concept of editathons or any form of competition that brings in new editors or make them create articles, chiefly because AFAIK (In Nigeria) It is just an excuse for banned/blocked editors to return, UPE be perpetuated and a whole load of mess left for new page reviewers to clean up after. Not to sound harsh, but I believe the community inadvertently encourages undisclosed paid editing, by AGF when it’s crystal clear when something is totally off. So are we missing or failing to catch UPE? Yes! by what proportion? A very large proportion. Celestina007 (talk) 18:07, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

I will withdraw autopatrolled from anyone abusing it. No UPE should have that right and probably no declared PE either. But it is not necessary to show someone definitely to be a paid editor in warrant removing the right; an editor who introduces a substantial number of low quality articles should not have autopatrolled. So there's no real need to challenge editors if they deny being a UPE--we can judge by the articles. For the ed. in qy, where the right has already be removed and added more than once, I'm looking to see what articles would be kept by AfD, in order to justify the removal if challenged. Meanwhile, if you have actual proof of UPE, email it to me. I'm a checkuser, but that rarely helps. DGG ( talk ) 23:47, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

@DGG, Although a relatively arduous task, I shall commence the search, and send a mail at the appropriate time. Celestina007 (talk) 00:17, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

Ya think?

I am in complete agreement w/re: Special:Diff/1027061008. Irrelevant, obtuse, counterproductive? Yep, all of those. —valereee (talk) 22:52, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

Its inane, i find it counter intuitive and productive, like if you don’t really have anything tangible to say or voice out, then just zip it. Celestina007 (talk) 23:34, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

Discussion on Shyam Metallics page removal

What did you find wrong in that article? If you think there is any correction required you could have corrected it then and there only... BNJ Nilam (talk) 21:57, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

@BNJ Nilam, hello there, it met WP:DRAFTIFY. You probably have already read WP:YFA but re-reading it even if it isn’t your first article is a great idea. You could take a look at WP:CITE and WP:REFB also when you aren’t too busy. Celestina007 (talk)

Tilottoma Bangla Group

Hi dear the page is legit the comapny opened by the Toto_Ltd. You can see their announce on their official site https://asia.toto.com/company-news/in-bangladesh-toto-showroom-opening-in-bangladesh-tilottoma/

Also, you can see reailble sources on the Tilottoma Bangla Group pages. I hope you will approve the page and remove the delation tag. Thanks for your pleasure.

Asides the possible conflict of interest editing here, that is not how notability works here, an article's subject is notable based on their own merit and not their proximity to a notable entity, for example, in this case this organization should satisfy NCORP. Celestina007 (talk) 20:51, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the info, i've added some more info and sources, Will it apporove it now? I'm worry about the delation tag. How many days it takes to check? Please let me know. Thanks.

Unresolved issues at ANI

Hi. Please see this thread at ANI that you have been involved in. Thanks. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 16:45, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

@Lugnuts, I feel the problem is editors are quite conservative about initiating a formal proposal, I see the concerns raised as valid, sound and very much imperative. Celestina007 (talk) 21:03, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

Hi Celestina007. Hope you are well. Girth Summit has written a very good proposal in the thread. If you have time, I'd be grateful if you could please take a look and comment. Thank you. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 18:42, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

@Lugnuts, As mentioned there, I would have supported a proposal for an indef block. There is no justification for an established editor participating in conflict of interest editing (without disclosing it) if it were a long time ago and is now moot I’m willing to overlook, but what I won’t permit is being an established editor and still actively participating in COI, that is bad faith editing. The problem is, I think established editors get way too comfortable and believe they have leeway to do whatever it is they want to do. Celestina007 (talk) 17:52, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

A cup of coffee for you!

Thanks for your regular patrol of new articles and fair assessments of companies and products. Blue Rasberry (talk) 00:05, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

@Bluerasberry, thanks blue. I appreciate this. Celestina007 (talk) 10:20, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

New Article:

Hi Cele! I just got this, Andrew Nkom, written. Could you please help me out with a review? Thanks! Kambai Akau (talk) 20:28, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

@Kambai Akau,  Done, but you need to beef up the sources a little bit. You are aware you could also use WP:OFFLINE sources right? If you can not find something online going offline to find sources is a great idea as well. Celestina007 (talk) 21:34, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

@Celestina007: -- Thanks for the review, mate! I will endeavor to do so. I really appreciate. Kambai Akau (talk) 21:40, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

@Kambai Akau, Aye! anytime mate. Celestina007 (talk) 21:42, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

Celestina007 -- ✌🏽👍🏽 Kambai Akau (talk) 21:45, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

painful lessons I've learned the hard way

I felt like in addition to my comments at MFD I should say something here. I realize this all came out of nowhere and may have felt a little like an attack on you, and it that's the case I apologize. I saw your cites to these essays at ANI but didn't know what they meant, so I read them both and was a little alarmed at the underlying attitude.

I've been there, way back I was a vandal fighter, spending hours a day engaging with some of the most obnoxious people to ever edit here. Doing nothing but "busting the bad people" can lead a person to see bad intentions everywhere, and to overreact or even become obsessive. This mindset cost me my first RFA. In my quest to thwart a prolific vandal (literally hundreds, maybe thousands, of sock accounts, on a new IP every few hours, playing weird head games like reporting his own socks, that sort of thing) I got a little overheated and said and did some intemperate things that are not desirable from an administrator, or anyone else really. And I reverted and reported for vandalism a total good faith editor because what they were doing kind of looked like what a then-prolific page-move vandal would do. They were very understanding when I explained myself, they knew exactly what I wrongly thought was going on, but it was an embarrassing experience. I did learn from both things though, knowing when to let a thing be somebody else's problem is a tricky skill to get right, but I keep trying.

I guess my overall point is that while we all feel that UPE is a looming existential threat to Wikipedia, it's also good to find other things to do, and to pass cases on to others once you've gone a few rounds with with them. This keeps it from getting too personal, and helps keep Wikipedia from becoming something stressful instead of an enjoyable hobby. Just some free advice to take or leave as you please. Beeblebrox (talk) 21:28, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

@Beeblebrox, I personally detest ANI's and the unnecessary drama that is concomitant with that venue. The three things I love doing are new page reviewing, creating articles (on occultists) this is me three days ago & Teahouse hosting. Catching upe is one of those things that sometimes accompany new page reviewing, sometimes I merely overlook and leave a warning but when the same individual has done so over and over again I feel responsible to speak out. I do not feel like you attacked me, We have mutual respect for each other so I know you acted in good faith and spoke your truth, I have respect for a man/woman who has integrity, are diligent and stand by/for what they believe in. Celestina007 (talk) 22:08, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

@Beeblebrox, lest I forget, I love me some AFC reviewing as well. I know you are merely looking out for me, indeed I understand you. My job which offers me good pay keeps me in Nigeria if not, I’ve been thinking of relocating to Canada or rejoining my extended family in Utah, each day I remain in Nigeria, my very own well being is threatened. Celestina007 (talk) 23:18, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

I need your assistance

Hello ma! Celestina007 Please I need your assistance on this page Draft: Unlimited L.A the page was reviewed by you but some certain admin moved it to draft, after some check, I found out they’re not Nigerians and hard to know who’s notable and who’s not, so I think you’re the only admin close to Nigeria and can make decision, the subject is very well notable as a music director, won many prestigious awards and nominations in the space. Best regards! Deplug1 (talk) 15:36, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

@Deplug1, I am no admin, and yes the subject of the article is indeed notable. I think it’s best you talk them, the article is okay but they may be hinting at something else. This was the comment they left, with that diff you may approach them and initiate a dialogue, I’m sure you both could meet halfway. Celestina007 (talk) 17:57, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

I think I found the one

Venkanna H. Naik. Show me, my Merlin ! Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 17:50, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

@Nomadicghumakkad, Whilst I have offered to teach you the basics on nabbing upe I do not want UPE to be the first thing you look for in articles. That article doesn’t appear to be UPE it does seem like a lot of WP:OR was used since most of the claims weren’t substantiated with the two sources they used. A WP:COI is theoretically possible, but that would be a bit of a stretch. Celestina007 (talk) 18:09, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

Dear Celestina007, I am sorry if this was preposterous. I didn't indicate that it has UPE but that it has COI. The first source is a book [2] that has passing mentions of the subject. The second source leads to another wiki page Sannappa Parameshwar Gaonkar which doesn't mention the subject. The kind of details provided in the article are only possible if the subject and creator are connected and there is an exchange of information. And hence, I felt there is a COI and brought it to your notice. I read WP:OR and that doesn't seem to be the case to me. Phrases like Naik died at the young age of 50 in Bijapur. In remembrance, after his death, people of Bijpur district built his statue in downtown of Bijapur city also sort of give it away. The statue would of course be built by influential family left behind but writing it in this way indicates that this is promotional. But, I have made a note to not look for WP:UPE as first thing to look in all articles. Thanks for your time and patience with me. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 10:06, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

@Nomadicghumakkad, glad I could be of service. Celestina007 (talk) 15:08, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

You've got mail: Sbm intelligence

Hi Celestina. I am writing about an article you marked for speedy deletion. I am someone with a keen interest in Nigeria, and I consult for various non-governmental organisations there. You might be aware of a government push to censor free speech in that country which has resulted in a ban on Twitter there. Following this, a colleague of mine asked me to create an article for SBM Intelligence, an organisation which provides data for most of Nigeria's umbrella NGOs. I gladly obliged because having once lived under a dictator, I understand what the Nigerians are going through and will do all I can to help. If you believe my article is promotional, I would be grateful if you could help edit it to meet the criteria.

@OskarJacobsen, I understand, but there are too many concerns with the article for it to remain on mainspace. notability and promotional concerns to be specific. It’s a good idea to read WP:NPOV and WP:LARD and remove promotional wordings and statements used throughout the article. Notability is also a concern here. Have you seen WP:NCORP? or WP:NGO? do so if you haven’t. When you have attended to the aforementioned concerns submitting the article via WP:AFC is a good idea. Celestina007 (talk) 10:18, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

@Celestina007, I am told that the article needs more verifiable sources. All the sources cited in the article are well known Nigerian and international newspapers. As far as I understand, BBC, Premium Times, New York Times, Wall Street Journal and Reuters have nothing to do with the subject of the article. I have read up on NPOV and LARD as suggested and made ajustments. Please help review and move back to main page.

OskarJacobsen, no where does it state or do i say that the sources have anything to do with the subject of the article I’m confused why you bring that up. If you have resolved the problems all you have to do is submit it for review. Take a look at top of the article and you’d observe a button that says “Submit for review” click on it and having done so, you relax and let the community handle the rest. Celestina007 (talk) 10:35, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

@Celestina007, pardon me, English is my third language so some things get missing sometimes. You said the article was not neutral so I was trying to explain that all the sources were neutral and verifiable. Thanks.

@OskarJacobsen, oh okay. Allow me explain then, the sources used in the article and the manner in which a given editor writes a particular article, aren’t one and the same thing. So what is/was being made reference to here was how the article was written not that the sources are promotional sources. I hope I have been clear enough. Celestina007 (talk) 11:03, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

@Celestina007, thank you for the explanation. I will work at it and submit.

A cup of tea for you!

To refresh you after all the exhausting work you do. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 16:22, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

@Nomadicghumakkad, Thanks, I really needed that “cup of tea” 😊. Celestina007 (talk) 16:30, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	Wikipedia Essays Barnstar
	Thank you for creating excellent Wikipedia essays regarding its policies and guidelines which many editors may find helpful while editing or working here. Best Regrads. — A.A Prinon  Leave a dialogue 12:41, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

@A.A Prinon, thanks I appreciate this. Celestina007 (talk) 20:13, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

Ifie Sekibo Listing.

Hello @Celestine, In respect to the above. We have met all the requirement for the listing and we still do not understand why it is being delayed. Can you help us look at it again. Ajose Sehindemi (talk) 09:29, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

@Ajose Sehindemi, first off, what do you mean by “we”? on this collaborative project policy mandates a user to operate only one account except for reasons covered under WP:LEGITSOCK, secondly excuse you? what requirements do you make reference to? could you be more specific? Thirdly have you read WP:COI? Observing your account closely this appears to be the only edit you have ever made via this account so could you please go back to your other account and make edits from there? See WP:SOCKPUPPETRY whilst you are at it. Celestina007 (talk) 15:30, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

Hi. I apologise for misleading the conversation. The 'We' is a wrong language usage. This is my only account as you have noticed. I have gone through the COI and this is not it. Requirement mentioned is that the profile reference has been provided. I will work on contributing actively in the community, been on a sleeper mode. Ajose Sehindemi (talk) 13:53, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

I’m sorry but this is an improbable explanation. However, I can’t be bothered about this right now. Celestina007 (talk) 16:59, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

February Draft

Hello, I hope you are well, on 14 February 2021 you moved an article I had created titled Mudiwa Hood of a musical artist from Zimbabwe, with notability concerns. I made minor improvements then that were declined because I hadnt worked on the article in much, I added more references thinking that was the issue and only to be corrected further.

I have done more work and I thought I should notifying you since you are the editor who first noticed the errors that I corrected.

Accompanied by your notes and with suggestions by other editors, i worked on getting rid of WP:CITEKILL, I then added information about the artist's discography and more info to the fact that Mudiwa Hood meets WP:NMUSIC standards as a prominent artist then also removed other less important citations to ensure there is no WP:BOMBARD. So i think the Draft:Mudiwa Hood article is better and cleaner now than before. I hope it can be moved back to mainspace. Kind regards Zvandofarira2 (talk) 19:09, 3 July 2021 (UTC)

I’m sorry Im very unwell and may not be available here for the foreseeable future to attend to any Wikipedia related activities, I’m unsure when I’d return perhaps sometime in August, I’m extremely sorry I may not be available to respond nor attend or be of assistance to you at the moment Celestina007 (talk) 21:17, 3 July 2021 (UTC)

Im still unsure of many things, I’m back temporarily, allow me sometime to look into your query and I’d get back to you. Celestina007 (talk) 02:54, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

Aaaaaw get well soon, I hope you will be fit. Meanwhile, although there is no hurry, I may ask other reviewers to look into it so that if there is more that needs to be done it will be further improved then by the time you get back am sure it will be even better then you can thoroughly scrutinise everything according to standard.Cheers Zvandofarira2 (talk) 04:10, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

@Zvandofarira2, I’m going to take a second look now, remain calm, I see here that you approached John B123 I understand I was unwell at the time and I perfectly understand why you pinged John but please next time after submitting an article your work is finished and the onus is on the community to handle the rest. Asking the WP:OTHERPARENT/forum shopping comes off as hasty and may irate editors who work in AFC. I see now that both LJF2019 and Timtrent have looked into this draft in the past. Please don’t ping anyone again about this draft I shall take a look now and give you a feedback. Celestina007 (talk) 17:09, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

A barnstar for you and best wishes for a speedy recovery

		The Winnowing Fan Barnstar
		For you efforts separating Wikipedia's "wheat" from the "chaff", and for all the good work you do here. I was sorry to hear you are unwell, and send my best wishes for a speedy recovery. We need more editors with your courage and integrity. I hope that you feel better soon and 100% of your energy returns. Blessings to you. Netherzone (talk) 00:29, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

@Netherzone, thanks for the show of love, I really do appreciate it. Celestina007 (talk) 08:04, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

July 2020

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.— Mikehawk10 (talk) 04:00, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

abdullah sulaiman al rajhi

i've created this draft for a famous businessman that Makes noticeable on Google but you disapproved the article For an unconvincing reason and I added more references that more authority https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Abdullah_Sulaiman_Al_Rajhi — Preceding unsigned comment added by RedX8 (talk • contribs) 10:59, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

@RedX8, Sorry for the late response. Okay that’s rather rude and unfair to me seeing as I proffered a clear rationale for declining the article. In any case, I have now rejected the article. If you have further questions you may ask me or seek other opinions at the TEAHOUSE. Lest I forget, most editors confuse fame and notability, I do not doubt that they are famous, but notability is what we seek. Celestina007 (talk) 18:17, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your reply But what you didn't notice is that the character is not only famous, but that she is distinguished in her field of work RedX8 (talk) 00:16, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

@RedX8, “i've created this draft for a famous businessman” were your words verbatim, I’m merely correcting that thought process by reminding you that fame and notability aren't synonymous in this collaborative project. Celestina007 (talk) 00:25, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for contributing Wikipedia

	A cute little diamond
	I am sorry I couldn't find anything more worthy of you but your contributions to Wikipedia cannot be symbolized even with jewellery. V. E. (talk) 17:42, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

@Visnelma, thanks I appreciate your support. Celestina007 (talk) 17:45, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

Abdullah Sulaiman Al Rajhi

How can a page of an influential figure in the field of money exchange in the Arab world be unwanted on Wikipedia on the pretext that it is not neutral Although it does not contain any glorification of the person, only the tasks and functions that are included in it throughout his career with some activities on the human and social level. I do not know where the error is. Will you allow me some time and tell me where the error lies? Is there a paragraph or a title that is not natural? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdullah_Sulaiman_Al_Rajhi — Preceding unsigned comment added by RedX8 (talk • contribs) 20:24, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

@RedX8, you have declared a COI thus the article must pass through AFC, please do not try to circumvent the AFC process as you have done in the past. If you continue such behavior you may be blocked from editing here as WP:SPA promo or WP:NOTHERE. Celestina007 (talk) 20:42, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

I apologize first of all Then, I found no evidence of a conflict of interest in the article Like what I told you, the article contains information spread on the Internet, and this does not mean that I am close to the person at all Just a character who takes great interest with his family in the Arab world

There isn’t any need for apologizing to me. A COI exists between an editor and their subject not that an article itself is a COI. What has been said to you is, do not attempt to circumvent the AFC process. Furthermore in your userpage you clearly indicate that you have a conflict of interest with the article's subject thus the need to pass it through WP:AFC. Celestina007 (talk) 22:36, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Archiving

Hi Celestina007 - the main reason for archiving is not for finding sources, but rather preserving them as a means to deal with linkrot. Have a look at this when you have some time: Help:Archiving_a_source. The most common mechanism for archiving is explained here: WP:WAYBACK. Regards, --Goldsztajn (talk) 04:34, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

@Goldsztajn, whoossshh! I’d take a look at it as soon as I’m done with my basketball training. Thanks for the assistance thus far Gold. Celestina007 (talk) 06:27, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

Thank you

Hi Celestina,

A while back you suggested that I return to a draft that I started. I did and the page was approved. Thank you for that.Filmman3000 (talk) 04:31, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

@Filmman3000, I’m super excited for you and I’m happy you are happy. Have a blessed Sunday. Celestina007 (talk) 10:10, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

One last thing I noticed you have an Archive thing on the side of your page how do I do it.Filmman3000 (talk) 19:26, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

@Filmman3000, it’s super easy, just add {{subst:User:ClueBot III/JustArchiveThis}} to the top of your talk page and the bot would do the rest for you. Celestina007 (talk) 19:32, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

Another question I have for the talk page of an article do I do the same? Thank you.Filmman3000 (talk) 22:17, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

@Filmman3000, see WP:AATP. Celestina007 (talk) 22:24, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

SER Group

Mind checking this please? Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 09:05, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

@Nomadicghumakkad, very regaling, as its not even an ADMASQ(as there were no efforts to even make it look like an article) it is “promotionalism” (in the famous words of DGG), The article is worthy of a G11 speedy deletion in my opinion and needless to say, the conflict of interest there is very much overt. Celestina007 (talk) 13:58, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

One more thing, I learnt from my teacher Barkeep49 at NPP academy, and I’d like to teach you also is; even if an article is notable, if it is irredeemably promotional it still qualifies to be G11 speedy deleted Celestina007 (talk) 14:04, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Thank you Celestina007. I had already speedy it successfully and it came back in no time. Hence, decided for AFD. What got me angry was the attitude of the creator. Please see if any action should be taken for them for recreating promotional article again and again with which they have a clear COI/UPE connection. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 14:08, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Another question, does me tagging you for this and you commenting count as canvassing? Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 14:08, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

@Nomadicghumakkad, hmmmm a good question, there are different school of thoughts about this, but my answer would be both “yes” and “no”, “Yes” because you know my overt disdain about UPE, knew I’d invariably check out the article and see the AFD and knew if I saw it had been nominated for deletion that i would definitely !vote in a particular manner. Then on the other hand, “No” because your post was for me to check out the article itself and in no way did you expressly mention anything related to the AFD to me. A complex response but that’s my answer to that, a master mind chess move on your part, my response is my philosophical stance on this another person may interpret it as subtle canvassing. Celestina007 (talk) 14:23, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

A mastermind chess move! Lol no! Honestly, my intention was to bring it to your notice so that you could probably deal with the page and user (to prevent them from further vandalising). Getting your comment at AFD was a complete bonus! I agree with you on the Yes/No situation here. This has happened to me once when someone tagged me to check a page which was nominated at AFD. Rather than saying Delete or Keep, I simply wrote a comment explaining my stance and analysing the page, making room for others to benefit from my analysis and write clearer comments (maybe this was a mastermind chess move) Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 14:41, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

A WP:NANE case?

Check [3]. Their suggestion to not edit a page before an NPR has checked the page raise doubts. A new editor with first edit on 11 July suggesting this is peculiar. Me moving a page to draft while I am not an NPR is debatable. However, I have been told that it's perfectly alright for non-NPR users to move to drafts as long as they know the guidelines. The subject is notable and they have properly sourced all information and moved to mainspace - which works fine for me and I would have easily moved on if I wouldn't have seen them offering this wisdom. Other signs are creating a large draft in one go and no other significant areas of contribution. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 15:03, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

@Nomadicghumakkad, I would, but later on, currently I’m heavily multi tasking, but my advise would be for you to add them to your watchlist but don’t be too fixated on them. If they err take them to the appropriate venues such as WP:SPI, WP:COIN, WP:ANI and other relevant boards. Celestina007 (talk) 15:31, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

ANI mention

Hi Celestina - hope you are well. For info, and incase you didn't get the ping, I mentioned you in this thread with regards to the aricle patrolling you have done in relation to articles I've created. I'd be grateful for your input. Thanks. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 19:11, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

What do we do with pages submitted by anonymous IP addresses

That too of a business? Such as Draft:Toppr. Likelihood of COI is obviously high. Can we drop notices about COI to IP addresses? Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 16:18, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

@Nomadicghumakkad, you indeed can leave messages for IP's, but IP's move around, so what you want to do is monitor the article itself. If the article is submitted by AFC and meets our notability threshold the onus is on the reviewing editor on what the next course of action should be or (ought to be) for example, some editors like myself would not accept it until a formal COI is declared whereas some editors more liberal than myself would accept it and may or may not leave a tag on the article that indicates a possible COI is present. Celestina007 (talk) 17:15, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

Rapper T.E.C.

Hello Celestina007 You put a recent article up for deletion, i included multiple reputable websites in sources, even court documents. He is a known rapper with millions in sells etc throughout his career and distributed by a major billion dollar company. Is there anything else i need to do or add to correct the issues you see

I’m sorry this has been left unanswered for a while, Please see WP:SIGN for future discussions I am unable to tell to whom I’m responding to, but if you are reading this, biographical articles on musicians are relatively easy to patrol, I’m not sure what the problem was with this particular article, but if memory serves me right, it was either too promotional or met one of the criteria in WP:A7. In the absence of any form of WP:COI, if present, please read WP:COIDISCLOSE and indicate as directed there after which you then proceed to internalizing both WP:GNG and WP:MUSICBIO After which you try and read both WP:RS and WP:NPOV if convinced all is in order, then I believe you can recreate the article. I think that solves the problem. I’m here to answer more questions (if any). Celestina007 (talk) 16:17, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

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15:29, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

Thank you

I don't know if I'm an "expert"(especially with proxy blocks) but I appreciate the comment. I learn something new most days. 331dot (talk) 18:17, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

@331dot, ha! My friend you are far too modest. Celestina007 (talk) 19:33, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

FYI

Hey Celestina,

On an FYI regarding Wikipedia:Teahouse#Questions_about_notability_for_article, Prospero came to the IRC help channel asking why the article had been declined. When I asked about connections, they said there wasn't one, they have never been a customer of MPB nor an employee of theirs... but it absolutely stinks of UPE... I mean, why would you write an article about a company you have had zero dealings with unless they became like Amazon level famous.

- Rich^T|C|E-Mail 16:10, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

Rich_Smith, That it is blatant UPE is very much overt, their first and eight edit betrayed their credibility, In order to combat UPE and not inadvertently shoot yourself in the foot, I find it helpful one has to provide a rationale for either UPE-templating the suspected editor or for outrightly calling them a UPE editor, (that way you you wouldn’t be accused of making “unfounded accusations” or “Assuming bad faith” ) even when the UPE stench is beyond conspicuous. I was going to UPE template them but there was no way I was going to do that without indirectly teaching them how to evade scrutiny next time. I just figured I’d add the article to my watchlist and negate any attempts to sneak the article into mainspace. Celestina007 (talk) 16:33, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

Question

Does this draft Draft:Prende TV have any problems? ItsJustdancefan (talk) 19:43, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

@ItsJustdancefan, hello there, super majority of the sources read like announcements or press release. You can read WP:RS if you want to know more about sourcing. Celestina007 (talk) 21:02, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

I made I draft called Draft:Univision (Latin America) about a channel owned by Televisa Networks then it was declined. ItsJustdancefan (talk) 01:00, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

@ItsJustdancefan Hey I told yesterday not to post on multiple venues or tp's simultaneously, this reply of yours should have been in the Teahouse where you asked the question. It appears the article was declined by CodeLyoko, Going to them first and asking why this was so was the next step you should have taken, honestly, you would find discussing with them to be more productive than going to the Teahouse or any other venue, to be frank, the reality is nobody is going to override CodeLyoko's decision to decline(rightfully so) and accept the article into mainspace. forum shopping (what you have been doing unknowingly)is counter productive, honestly talk to them instead. Celestina007 (talk) 01:26, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

ItsJustdancefan, I can reply here, I denied it because we already have an article about the main Univision company, I personally do not think we need one for a brand new regional variant when we can just add a short snippet in the main article. CodeLyoko^talk 02:37, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

@ItsJustdancefan, and there you have it, so that’s that for that. Celestina007 (talk) 02:42, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

Arachana Singh

Hello sir I recently created the arachana Singh page .. 1 first time copyright contant the page was deleted .. sorry for the mistake

2 time I will post the correct information with reference sir..

Please kindly guide me the draft page to article Sir Dharanidanger (talk) 07:30, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

@Dharanidanger, hello there, the honorifics aren’t necessary as i’m not a “sir” could you please link me to the draft in question? Celestina007 (talk) 16:07, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

@celestina007,this is the page I created ,but it's moves to draft https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Archana_Singh Dharanidanger (talk) 16:41, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

@Dharanidanger, thank you, I have formatted the reference(s) section, moving forward please use {{Cite}} when citing. I see the problem with the draft is the sourcing, most sources you optimized are either self published blogs, or those without a reputation for fact checking, of course which means there isn’t any editorial oversight and is not reliable. You can use other methods when looking for sources such as those which are WP:OFFLINE. Furthermore, in what capacity are you and the subject of your article related? That is, kya vah aapakee dost hai? or kya usane aapako bhugataan kiya?don’t worry saying yes won’t put you in trouble, it allows me serve you better. Celestina007 (talk) 17:34, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

Yes ,my friend introduced to me the subject. And she's not my friend and not paid me. Yes she's actor I confrom they act 4 movies ,and given reference only I know ,thank you Dharanidanger (talk) 03:23, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

theek hai, mujhe dekhane do kee main kaise madad kar sakata hoon, from your explanation, it’s not necessarily a COI but still possesses the potential to fall under the COI umbrella, like I said I’d to the best of my ability help out. Celestina007 (talk) 18:56, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

@Dharanidanger, it appears she has featured in a lead role, a supporting role and a cameo all of which do not meet WP:NACTOR are there any more movies wherein she took the lead roles? If there is please link me to it but if there isn’t I don’t think she is notable just yet, but I promise to always be here if you need help. Celestina007 (talk) 20:26, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

Email referrals

Hi Celestina -

Referring to this Teahouse chat, two quick notes about VRT:

1. When referring editors to email VRT, please send them to info-enwikimedia.org, or if that's not what they need, to one of the other queues at meta:VRT#Queues. Volunteers-vrt is an internal queue for new volunteers to email that's only monitored by the VRT admins. (Don't worry, that message did make it to the right place.)
2. When it comes to article content, identity verification doesn't do much of anything. Any information sent by email is private and can't be used as source material, and personal knowledge of a verified account holds just as much weight as any other personal knowledge. We'll discuss with them and see if verification is feasible and the right thing, but they're still going to have to put up published sources to back up anything going into an article. Pretty much all {{verified account}} does is keep you from getting WP:UPOL-blocked for impersonation.

Thanks! ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 20:35, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

@ElHef, thanks mate. I didn’t particularly know what @ to send them to so I figured the one I used would make it to VTRS admins but thanks for showing me a better way to deal with this moving forward. Celestina007 (talk) 20:40, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

Precious anniversary

Precious

One year!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:12, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

Talk about irony and coincidence. Thanks for the love Gerda. Celestina007 (talk) 12:29, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

My thoughts and appreciation

Hello Celestina007, how are you feeling now? hope you are okay now. I got a notification being mentioned in a report on you in the Administrators notice board. I didn't know if i could post there but i think you not as bad as said there, personally you pushed me to become better. When your comments came incubating the articles I did into draft, at first i was like wooow this admin is on my case Lol But you know what, your toughness made me better, i think and I appreciate, people take criticism in different ways. Here in Zim Wikipedia is slow so I am trying to cover as much ground as I can, there are no consistent contributors and the publications that are supposed to be our primary sources have some way of operating which I wish the community can understand.

Anyway, i appreciate your toughness.Zvandofarira2 (talk) 16:44, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

@Zvandofarira2, I’m not necessarily “tough” when I see what looks like UPE I address it with a “firm” approach through the proper channels which has resulted in great loss for both people and organizations, if I don’t move with personal security I’d be dead in a ditch(that’s no exaggeration) Although I dislike the ANI, i appreciate each new case as it’s a learning curve for me, for example two comments I made about UPE in Nigeria(I’m Nigerian btw) is being used as “evidence” against me, i appreciate this because I know next time to be conservative about what I say on Wikipedia about my own country. Is freedom of speech and expression a problem? Maybe I exaggerated the figures, but that UPE is prevalent in Nigeria is open knowledge. I however remain unfazed, I do what I can and let God handle the rest, for example I’m going to make an extensive discussion with some sysops or the community at large pertaining if or not using the UPE tag is against policy, the wording seems precise though. Celestina007 (talk) 20:08, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

I noticed that above you thought I was feeling “under the weather”, thank you for the concern but I’m not sick, a lifelong ailment doesn’t necessarily mean I’m unwell all the time I’m perfectly healthy, in order to avoid being doxxed I won’t mention the ailment but it isn’t that much of a big deal but thanks for the concern all the same. Celestina007 (talk) 21:28, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

Minor thing

Hard to be more minor, but my indenting was the way I wanted it, per WP:INDENT, showing my reply was to Joselhurtado, so per WP:TPO please don't change it. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:35, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

@Gråbergs Gråa Sång, no problems, I misread it as an indenting mistake which it wasn’t. Celestina007 (talk) 20:43, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

Re: A barnstar for you!

Hello, Celestina007...

Thank you for the barnstar. That's very kind of you. I'm glad that the page is to your liking. The ROF has provided some of my country's finest leaders, and I just thought that it deserved a proper page. O.ominirabluejack (talk) 21:00, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

@O.ominirabluejack seeing that article each day gives me joy and the excitement never gets old. We had a back and forth over if adding Freemasonry to the ROF article was proper or not but in retrospect I really do not see the harm, Freemasons indeed have been accused of worse so that wasn’t even a real point on my part, and just like the ROF, Freemasons have produced some of the brightest leaders in America. I can’t thank you enough for creating that article. It’s always a pleasure reading articles that are notable and are equally have very excellent encyclopedic value. If you can please do create more and ping me so I’d access and review, or if you like just suggest some occult related topics to work on, my latest article on the 1996 Otokoto riots is a good read, but isn’t really occult related I’d like to create something more “occultic” in nature. Celestina007 (talk) 21:23, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

Coach Me!!

Oklo Adiga (talk) 06:47, 24 July 2021 (UTC) Hello Celestina007 i don't understand the whole thing no more, i've read and followed all the rules and guidelines here, i think i need an actual coaching from a wikipedian veteran like yourself.

yes Bayo Ododo and Da Great were my first wikipedia articles and to me it was kind of a test run. Da Great wasn't wiki material i agree and also Emerald Don but Bayo Ododo and Gigi Lamayne are notable and i felt they deserved a wikipedia page. i got to know about Gigi Lamayne was'nt in wikipedia last week when she released her album, i am glad you did'nt labeled it for deletion because i spent hours on it lol but rather you moved it to draft which is okay. i wasn't paid to write any wikipedia article i just want to be a part of the development and get cool stars and badges like you. i know i am doing it all wrong, so would you personally please coach me on what i need to do to make my articles wiki material?Oklo Adiga (talk) 06:47, 24 July 2021 (UTC)