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The South Shall Rise Again

In the documentary "Civil War" produced by Brad Pitt and Henry Louis Gates Jr. there are a number of edifying clips that highlight the history of Reconstruction and the persistent Southern attitudes towards Civil War history. I am struck by the intransigence of many white southerners who refuse to acknowledge the significance of slavery and the influence of racism on the cultural milieu that articulated itself in the Confederacy. While the Night Riders, Ku Klux Klan, Jim Crow, and other components of Southern culture during this period were referred to in this video, I did not hear the theme of "the South Will Rise Again" referred to explicitly. John Pierre Anderson (talk) 04:34, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

Do you have any questions about editing Wikipedia specifically? WhoAteMyButter (📨_talk│📝^contribs) 04:47, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

John Pierre Anderson, I saw the same documentary and was impressed by it. But Wikipedia is not a forum for discussing things like this. The only valid thing that we discuss is how to improve encyclopedia articles. There are many social media sites where you can share your general thoughts, but Wikipedia is not one of them. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 06:06, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

• We have an article about the Lost Cause of the Confederacy. If you have solid sources that prove that "the South will rise again" was a popular slogan (among who, at what time?) you might want to suggest an edit on the talk page of that article (Talk:Lost Cause of the Confederacy). (Technically the article is open to editing by all, which surprises me, but regardless, you ought to tread carefully on such controversial subjects.) Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 15:05, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

@Tigraan: Whether it was a popular slogan at the time, I don't know, but it has been a reasonably popular slogan throughout the 20th century and even into the 21st. See, for example, this satire piece. Like you said, though, this is better discussed over at the talk page. TheTechnician27 (Talk page) 16:31, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

Advice how to archive a talk page

How do you archive your own talk page? Thanks. XXzoonamiXX (talk) 05:22, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

You need an Archive Bot. GoodDay (talk) 05:23, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

@XXzoonamiXX: Welcome to the Teahouse. Here's a page that talks about archiving on here; if you would like your talk page to be automatically archived, read this section. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 05:51, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

Yes in regards to the latter ones, I'm a bit confused how to set that up. When it says "Archive This", what does that supposed to mean? XXzoonamiXX (talk) 05:57, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

@XXzoonamiXX: If you're talking about User:ClueBot III, you can just add {{subst:User:ClueBot III/JustArchiveThis}} to the top of your user talk page if you don't want to tweak the settings. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 06:02, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

So if I have 35 talk pages for example, how do you archive this? XXzoonamiXX (talk) 06:28, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

@XXzoonamiXX In my view, article talk pages only need to be archived if they are unmanageably long. Being able to immediately ascertain whether there have, or have not, been discussions about the article is very helpful. Making an editor check the archives unnecessarily is not. Remember, these 35 pages are not ‘’your’’ talk pages, but available to all editors, and of the ones I’ve looked at, none of these merit archiving at this stage. Which ones were you concewrned about - or maybe you are just thinking ahead? Nick Moyes (talk) 07:36, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

I'm thinking ahead so I don't have to come here again and ask again. I just want to know how to do it rather than doing so at the last moment when I need it so I don't get caught off. XXzoonamiXX (talk) 08:17, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

@XXzoonamiXX: - you don't have to have a bot archive your user talk page. You can do it manually. I archive mine manually. Mjroots (talk) 09:24, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

@Mjroots:, all right, how do it manually then? XXzoonamiXX (talk) 17:10, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

@XXzoonamiXX: Just create the supbpage of your user talk page (such as User talk:XXzoonamiXX/Archive 1 and cut material from your talk page and paste into the archive. Mjroots (talk) 17:25, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

@Mjroots: So like creating the subpage is like creating your own article? How do you create their own subpage? XXzoonamiXX (talk) 19:02, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

@XXzoonamiXX: Yes, just like that. Would you like me to create an archive page for you? Mjroots (talk) 06:14, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

@Mjroots: Well, since I don't want to ask question to question, then please yes! XXzoonamiXX (talk) 08:52, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

See Help:Archiving a talk page. I suggest either using a bot to create "Sequentially numbered archives", or as alternative "Archives by year and month". There are other options to create indexes, but personally I just use sequentially numbered archives set to archive after 183 days (half a year) with no indexing just a search in the archives box. — PBS (talk) 10:41, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

If i want to revert

If i want to revert a correction to my edit? Hello, I m new so i want to be sure about how to behave. I m an experienced content manager and copy writer with an obsession to see the right wording and this situation really bugs me:

For example lets say, i've added an adjective to a sentence which totally seems right. Even according to the "Wikipedia definition" of the word, it is perfect. And it is an important adjective to differentiate the object's existing property from the upcoming effects of the verb. Then, someone deletes it saying it is wrong. There's an explanation but it does not add up. I definitely think the wording was right and important. I can prove it with the Wiki page of the term, and also i can list 10 more reasons why. Do i have the right to put it back and write a new explanation to my edit, or should i let it go and just be sad because someone deleted my edit without a proper reason (except obviously a personal, nationalist, or racist cause). Or even worse, do i get reported or banned for reverting a correction back because i still believe it is right? Alasiyan (talk) 10:24, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

Alasiyan Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. In this situation, the best thing to do is go to the article talk page(from looking at your edit history, probably Talk:Timeline of Cypriot history) to discuss the situation and attempt to arrive at a consensus. See bold revert discuss. 331dot (talk) 10:46, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

just go to the page delete log

and change youre edit slightly and repost it again

흋ㅎ흋User:Darkdeath-2흋ㅎ흋 12:48, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

@Darkdeath-2: No, that is not a good way to handle the situation – have a look at the advice 331dot provided, in the post above yours. --bonadea contributions talk 12:54, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

User:bonadea No what I ment to say is that he/she sould only change the wrong and then repost it

but okay I see now ...

he/she doesn't know whyy exactly the edit was deleted ...

my bad I apologise

흋ㅎ흋User:Darkdeath-2흋ㅎ흋 13:26, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

Darkdeath-2, it makes no difference whether you understand the reason for a reversion or not; it makes no difference whether your edit was right or wrong or anything else. It makes no difference whether you change the wording a bit. If somebody reverts your edit and you reapply it without discussion, then you are edit-warring. See WP:BRD --ColinFine (talk) 12:48, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

@ColinFine

so even if you fix the problem

you will be edit warning  ??

흋ㅎ흋User:Darkdeath-2흋ㅎ흋 19:28, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

OK, Darkdeath-2, I overspoke: a single re-edit is not edit warring: that would take repeatedly reapplying it; but it is not recommended behaviour unless the removal you are seeking to undo comes into one of the categories listed in WP:EDITWAR#What edit warring is. "I think this edit is right and another person thinks it is wrong" is not an adequate justification for reapplying the edit. See BRD. --ColinFine (talk) 20:32, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

@ColinFine

because if you change is slightly so that the "errors" is fixed there sould he no problem

.

.흋ㅎ흋User:Darkdeath-2흋ㅎ흋 22:43, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

Was the revert was done by someone with a Wikipedia username, or with only an IP address? If the former, I would go to the talk page of that person and discuss with them why you think the edit is a good edit and see if they will agree. If they don't agree, I don't know what the next step is. There may be info here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution. I don't know what to do if the revert is by someone with only an IP address. Perhaps the Wikipedia Dispute resolution page I just linked will tell you, or someone replying here will tell us, or I may post the question, or you can. Hope you get it solved. Greg Dahlen (talk) 13:56, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

Darkdeath-2, it depends what you mean by "the errors". If you mean typos - obvious misspellings, punctuation characters in random places, etc, then sure. But your self-description above I'm an experienced content manager and copy writer with an obsession to see the right wording suggests that you may be referring to a choice of words that you find unsatisfactory. If that is the case, then what you call "fixing the errors" another editor might regard as "unwarranted change" and disagree with you. In that case you should discuss and reach consensus before reapplying. It would help if you would give us a specific example: I have looked through your contribution history, and I can't find an edit to an article in the last month, apart from setting short descriptions. (Incidentally, setting short descriptions is a very welcome activity, but please read Short description: repeating the article title as the short description is completely pointless. The short description of a school should usually read something like "<type-of-school> school in <location>"). --ColinFine (talk) 14:04, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

Russian Wiki

Any known issues of political censorship on Russian Wiki? Hi guys of English speaking wiki, please let me cry on your shoulder for a minute, I really need it))) So I've tried for the last month or so to create a wiki page, on Russian Wikipedia about a very well-known racial murder on video case posted by russian neo nazis back in 2007. Got deleted. Not "important" enough. There are hundreds of wiki pages in Russian language about racial murder cases in other countries - US, IK, Australia, you name it. EXCEPT for Russia. As if there're no xenophobic murders here. Is it me being paranoid? Before me, other people tried to write a page about this murder, going back to 2008. All got deleted. This is not some unknown murder. This video was viral back in the days, there was a documentary shot about this case in 2015... What's going on here? P.S. I wrote political censorship because there was a paragraph on my now deleted page that summarized the conclusion of a filmmaker who investigated this case back in 2015, and named the murder back in 2015, (confirmed by russian police in 2021) who linked this murder case to a rise of ethnic murders before the presidential elections of 2008. Ghost of Shamil (talk) 12:11, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

Well, on en-WP there is some coverage of Shamil Odamanov: [1]. Could you add something similar on ru-WP? Based on sources like [2][3][4][5], I think it may be possible (on en-WP) to make a WP:GNG-compliant article about the video. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:28, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

One more:[6] Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:50, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

Gråbergs Gråa Sång The page I created had many dozens of links to trustworthy news websites both in English and Russian. They saw it. These guys over there, they just don't care. They delete it automatically. I think I'll have to make a page on en_WP. Ghost of Shamil (talk) 14:08, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

@Ghost of Shamil: Welcome to the Teahouse on the English Wikipedia! For issues on the Russian Wikipedia, you'll have to ask there - see ru:Википедия:Форум/Помощь_начинающим. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk)

Just for a moment, let's concede that it's imaginable that a serious problem is pervasive in this or that Wikipedia. After all, (1) it's universally acknowledged that at least one has already occurred (a non-political problem, as it happens). And (2), during the last few years there has been convincing evidence of state-backed troll farms working to misinform the public. So it wouldn't be surprising if this-or-that-language Wikipedia were seriously corrupted. Appealing to that Wikipedia's "teahouse" or similar would I think be pointless, GoingBatty. Complaints should be directed to the WMF. Unfortunately the WMF's website does nothing to encourage such whistleblowing. (This is perhaps understandable, given the likelihood of troll-farm-generated complaints: spluttering denunciations of Wikipedia's connivance in the (fictional) "big steal", and similar wingnuttery.) The end of the Scots Wikipedia debacle started with, or anyway could be attributed to, a post in Reddit. Perhaps it's difficult for material at Reddit to be taken seriously, Ghost of Shamil, and an alternative host such as Medium might be better. Design your argument well, back it up with plenty of evidence (but keep it digestible; a difficult balance to achieve), work on it carefully, and hope that the result of this catches the eyes of investigative journalists working for the non- (or less-) compromised mass media: these may influence the WMF. Good luck! -- Hoary (talk) 23:34, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

Plagiarism

Plagiarism isn’t allowed in Wikipedia right? I found a section in the Main Street electrical parade where it is just a copy and paste of what Disney fandom says, and I can’t site disney fandom because that’s not a good source. Kaleeb18 (talk) 14:51, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

Plagiarism is of course not permitted here but when dealing with other user-generated content such as Fandom wikis, it's always worth checking to see which way round it goes--you should be able to see from the page histories here and there which version was created first; if it's ours then it should be kept, if ours has been copied after theirs was written, remove it. 𝄠ʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ ꭗ 14:55, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

Note also that there is a subtle difference between plagiarism and copyright violations. They often go hand-in-hand but are different.

"Plagiarism" is the act of presenting ideas as original even though they were taken from another source; it is unethical, and contrary to Wikipedia (and academic) guidelines of citing sources, but slapping a cite to the plagiarized source solves the biggest part of the problem.

Copyright violations occur when the wording of a given piece of text is identical or closely paraphrases another source. This occurs even if the source is acknowledged. That is a problem with legal repercussions, and the only remedy is rapid removal of the text, so pages with copyvios should be addressed urgently. See Wikipedia:Copyright_violations#Parts_of_article_violate_copyright for how to deal with it as a non-admin. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 15:00, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

Ok thank you Kaleeb18 (talk) 00:00, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

Adding photograph of business taken from sidewalk

Hello Teahouse users,

I am very new to Wikipedia (editing pages as part of a school assignment), and have a question about adding images to existing articles.

I took a photograph from the sidewalk of the front of a cafe that I enjoy that has a Wikipedia page. There are some pedestrians and cafe-goers included in the photo. Am I allowed to add this to the cafe's page?

My more general question is, can I add photos that I myself take of businesses that do not include trademarks or logos from a public space (the sidewalk)? And, what about photos taken in the interior of the business?

Many thanks for any guidance on this. Clayrey (talk) 18:21, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

Hi @Clayrey! So the world of copyright is utterly bonkers rather complex, so the answer is that it depends whether or not your country has freedom of panorama, and if not there are complexities. But from the Simmons tag on your user page, I'm guessing you may be in the U.S., in which case the answer is simpler: yes, you can add the photo. Just go to the upload wizard and choose the "own work" option for the license, and then add it to the article (let us know if you need any help with the process; there's some info at Help:Introduction to images with VisualEditor/Help:Introduction to images with Wiki Markup) It would be great to have a photo for a previously unillustrated article! {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 18:32, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

Regarding the people in the photo, if they are prominent, you could add the commons:Template:Personality rights tag to the Commons page, but that's optional. Regarding images that include trademarks/logos, I'm not too sure about that, but my (poorly educated) guess would be that it's okay so long as they are just incidentally included in the image rather than the focus of it. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 18:35, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

@Sdkb: Hi! Thank you very much for your speedy and informative response. I had previously checked out the Wikipedia freedom of panorama page, and was still pretty confused. So, your summarization of U.S. rules is much appreciated. And yes, I am looking forward to adding an image to the page of a business that I love, but that is hereto unillustrated!

Thank you again! Clayrey (talk) 18:53, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

@Clayrey I wonder: are you interested in adding images to other Wikipedia articles that exist near to your location? If so, there's a really neat tool to help you locate them on a map. I could dig out the link if you are interested (though right this moment it has escaped me, but I'd be happy to get back to you on that. Just let me know.) Nick Moyes (talk) 20:50, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

One way to see them (though not the one I was thinking of) is to go Special:Nearby and allow it to use your location to list article. Nick Moyes (talk) 20:54, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

One of the mappable methods I was thinking of is to use https://copernix.io/ This is also useful for checking the coordinates given in an article, as well as checking to see if it already has a good photo. If you find your favourite shop is shown in the middle of a lake (or vice versa) then the coordinates need fixing in the article. There's another tool I know I've seen, and wanted to recommend, but can't lay my hands on the link right now, sorry. Nick Moyes (talk) 21:03, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

@Clayrey: If you use the Wikipedia App, the Places feature shows you a map of nearby locations that have Wikipedia articles. Zooming in a little shows whether the article has a photo or not. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 21:17, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes:@GoingBatty: Thank you for these tips! Checking out copernix.io now. Clayrey (talk) 21:28, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

AFD close related issue

Can a non-admin close an AFD discussion? When the discussion have very less number of participants. And the author himself commented from a ip.  Trakinwiki (talk) 18:42, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

WP:NACD is the best guide here. When in doubt, or if things seem closely contested with good arguments on both sides, defer to an admin, but if it's straightforward you may be able to close it. 𝄠ʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ ꭗ 18:52, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

• Echoing Grapple X, furthermore, @Trakinwiki, no, non admins can only close AFD’s if any criterion from WP:CSK is met, say for example, the amount of keep !votes are overwhelming within a very short span, then it can be closed as Speedy Keep, see WP:CSK once again to understand what I’m saying, asides that no they can’t, that would generally fall under WP:BADNAC If an AFD has run its course without participants it is treated as an expired prod and it is soft deleted. Furthermore if you are suspecting an IP address & the creator of the article to be one and the same person, and commenting simultaneously in an AFD, that is a form of socking to WP:GAME the output of an AFD, which is quite a serious transgression on this project. you can file an official report at WP:SPI. Celestina007 (talk) 19:06, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

@Celestina007: thank you for your response. Can you please check this Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kim zəngin olmaq istəyir? Milyonların Şousu as I am not so experienced. Trakinwiki (talk) 06:36, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

Help with new editor

Danielanghan (talk · contribs)

Can someone help with this new editor? It looks like they are a good faith editor who is trying to make some additions to the Kamantan people article, but are having some typical new user issues with the content. I recognize that I'm not the greatest of coaches, so I was hoping someone else could give some better guidance than I have done. I protected the page to slow him down a bit so they could read and learn, but that's ending in a few hours. Thanks. Jauerback^dude?/_dude. 21:35, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

My sympathies, that was rather disruptive! His main gig is as an entrepreneur, in case you didn't notice. I've left him a detailed message on his talk.--Quisqualis (talk) 07:53, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

Article Pending review - is there a way to expedite review?

I wrote an article couple of weeks back and I haven’t gotten it rejected or accepted yet. I got feedback from couple of users and I’ve corrected the article accordingly. Should I wait for people to get to the article or is there a way to initiate review from experienced users in that category? Elenatina (talk) 22:21, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

Elenatina Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. There is no way to ensure a speedy review. Reviews are done in no particular order by volunteers. 331dot (talk) 22:27, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

@@331dot Well noted!Elenatina (talk) 00:03, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

Elenatina: I assume this is about Draft:Jonathan Roumie. What follows is not official advice. Maybe your problem is not "initiating" a review, but inducing a reviewer who has started examining the draft to persist. The main concern of any reviewer will be "does this draft cite several reliable published independent sources with enough discussion of the subject to establish that the subject is notable?" If I were a reviewer (I am not), my thoughts would be "the first ref gives a 404 message. The second is behind a paywall. The third and fourth report what the subject has said, so are not independent. And there's another 34 to check. I'll leave this one in the waiting list and find another, easier draft to review."

If you've cited some good sources that do establish notability, you could make it easier for a reviewer to find them, by removing those that don't. Maproom (talk) 09:33, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

Trump

I sincerely wish that your articles about Trump were not so very obviously biased against him. You attempt to call yourself a source of info but the articles about Trump are thinly veiled criticism and the articles about any Democratic politician are not including the disaster named Joe Biden. 69.121.89.23 (talk) 00:43, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia does not create original discourse and can only summarise what sources are saying; if that creates the perception of bias against any individual, entity or group it is only a reflection of the words and views of the world at large. ᵹʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ ꭗ 00:46, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse! You may make suggestions to improve any Wikipedia article on the article's talk page, and provide a reliable source. Or, be bold and make the edits yourself! Thanks for your enthusiasm for improving Wikipedia! GoingBatty (talk) 02:52, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

If you say they are, show how they're biased with other sources. You yourself just called Joe Biden a "disaster", so we're all vulnerable to biases, which is why we prevent it by using neutral language, presenting objective facts, and citing multiple reliable sources. Hextor26 (talk) 22:14, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

Article of notable actor

i have just edited my first article on a notable #Indianactor, CAN SOMEONE GUIDE ME further on for its approval.and also can you suggest me the best template for actors and filmmaker's as that is my area of interest. thanks n regards SourceRight (talk) 06:30, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia! If you haven't already done so, please read Your first article, Notability, Notability – actors, Biographies of living persons, Verifiability, Reliable sources, and Referencing for beginners. ClaudineChionh (talk – contribs) 06:40, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

Courtesy link: Draft:Jonita Doda Eevee01^(talk) 07:05, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

Questions about alternate account

I created an alternate account some days ago so that I could edit by that account if this account gets in problem. I have no other alternate accounts except Ahp554. Will it be legible or illegible? If it is illegible, how can I close the connections with that account? — Ahp101  ^{To discuss?} 07:27, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

But User:Ahp554 says, This user is an alternative account of User:DelowerHossain554. So, how many accounts do you really have? And what are the "problems" you had with your accounts? ClaudineChionh (talk – contribs) 07:48, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

DelowerHossain554 was my previous username. Go to DelowerHossain554 user page, and you will see that it will redirect to my user page. That's why I was saying that if it is legible or illegible. — Ahp101  ^{To discuss?} 07:50, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

If you mean, is it legal to have more than one account: yes, but it is usually not recommended. If you really need to have more than one account, you should declare all of your alternative accounts as detailed on Using multiple accounts. It sounds like you should also read User account security.

You usually cannot delete an account. ClaudineChionh (talk – contribs) 08:08, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

Alright, thank you. I was really worried about Sockpuppetry policy that if it would delete my accounts. Thank you again for ensuring me. — Ahp101  ^{To discuss?} 08:20, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

@Ahp101 That is not an acceptable reason for creating a second account! If this account “gets into trouble” and is blocked by an admin like me, you would not be permitted to use any other account until the block period had expired. Equally, if you’re worried about being hacked, simply choose a stronger password, and register an email address in the event you forget it. A valid reason for using a second, alternate account (which would be if you wanted occasionally to edit from an insecure public WiFi hotspot. The link between (and the purpose for) each account should be ‘’very’’ clear. Using both at once would open you to being permanently blocked from all editing as a WP:SOCKPUPPET, so proceed with caution, please. Should you ‘’genuinely’’ believe this reason applies to you, I suggest you remove all userboxes from the alternate account, pointing properly to you current name of account (not the DowerHussain redirect), and make it clear all comments and notices should go on Ahp101. Nick Moyes (talk) 08:21, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

Alright, thank you @Nick Moyes. Although I have cleared the userboxes from my alternate account and pointed the current username recently. What shall I do next? — Ahp101  ^{To discuss?} 08:27, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

@Ahp101 Simply decide whether you actually need it, then explain why you have it on its userpage. "Getting into trouble" is not a valid reason for it. Nick Moyes (talk) 12:50, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

I have thought that I don't need that account. I have faced no problems till now. — Ahp101  ^{To discuss?} 12:56, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

Then simply abandon it, forget the password and never use it again. Ever. That is the best thing. Just remove the phrase first about 'getting into trouble' (though you can edit that account's userpage from your main account at any time. Nick Moyes (talk) 13:17, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

Alright, done! — Ahp101  ^{To discuss?} 13:22, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

How to write about a "Group of companies" in wikipedia

I know a company like emaar and Damac, the company has 50 years of experience in UAE especially in sharjah. it will be good , if wikipedia has one article of that company, How can I write wikipedia article for that company.Is it possible to write a article in the name of that company. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Marytwist (talk • contribs) 08:40, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

I think you can edit the existing articles by adding your reliable information if the information is not added in there. — Ahp101  ^{To discuss?} 09:14, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

Also if you wish to create an article of a company, please go to Wikipedia:Article Wizard and create an article. After completing it submit the draft for article review. And a reviewer will look into it. Make sure you article must comply all rules made per English Wikipedia policies. I hope you had got your answer @Marytwist:.Jyoti Roy (talk) 09:49, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

@Marytwist Hello and welcome to the teahouse. Correct me if I'm wrong, but you can't write an article about your own company. Refer to Wikipedia:Conflict of interest and Wikipedia:Neutral point of view. _Signed,Pichemist ^(Talk) 10:56, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

It is not impossible to do while following rules and guidelines, but rarely successful. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:51, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

@Marytwist: Before you create a new article, it would be very helpful to get more experience editing existing articles. I suggest starting with Help:Introduction and The Wikipedia Adventure. When you're ready to create an article, see also WP:NCORP and Help:Your first article. Hope this helps, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 03:00, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

@Pichemist Then how articles of Emaar and Damac is coming inside wikipedia, who is writing about them in wikipedia — Preceding unsigned comment added by Marytwist (talk • contribs)

pinging @Pichemist Justiyaya 11:26, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

@Marytwist They are being written by volunteers like me and you or they are declaring a paid relationship with the company. _Signed,Pichemist ^(Talk) 12:07, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

More than one editor declared that they are paid for working on DAMAC Properties. You started this thread with "I know a company..." If there is already an article about the company you can edit that. You cannot create a new article about the same company. — Preceding unsigned comment added by David notMD (talk • contribs) 21:48, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

Locate previous article for specific edit numbers within my contributions.

Is there a way to find a specific edit number's article within my contributions list? In other words, is it possible to locate the article for, let's say as an example, edit number 389? If so, what's the procedure (without something like Excel)? Do I need a bot? CYAce01 (talk) 14:48, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, CYAce01. By edit number 389, do you mean your 389th edit? Cordless Larry (talk) 15:52, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

Yes. Or any random "nth" edit. CYAce01 (talk) 17:16, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

I don't think I've seen a tool that can do that, but others might know of something. Cordless Larry (talk) 18:28, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

Correction: Wikipedia:WikiProject edit counters lists a tool called Milestone, but apparently it's out of action. Cordless Larry (talk) 18:30, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

Review previously removed copy

Greetings, happy weekend. I just noticed a few days ago that a whole (middle) section of the Mood ring article was removed. Not sure I did it accidentally or not.... but how can I retrieve to at least loom at whet was once there? Thx again!!! Moodman001 (talk) 15:35, 30 October 2021 (UTC) Moodman001 (talk) 15:35, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

View history shows all earlier edits in chronological order. Clicking on "prev" on the left shows the exact changes (additions or deletions). Given your conflict of interest as the (claimed) inventor of the Mood Ring, you are prohibited from editing the article directly. Instead, you are instructed to propose changes on the Talk page of the article, so that a non-involved editor can decide to include or not. See Wikipedia:Edit requests for process. I understand this sounds unfair.

By the way, this article has a contentious history dating back to 2004, including edits by a person (DreamBeliever2238) who claimed to be a child of the inventor. See Talk page. David notMD (talk) 16:46, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

Hello

Hello I want to add to a player how many games he has played and how many goals he has scored, it's about PFC Ludogorets Razgrad and A.C. Milan how it goes Stef4o90 (talk) 16:26, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

@Stef4o90, we apologize for taking a while before responding. If you want to update an article, go the article and just edit it by clicking on the “pen like image” having done so except the article is protected, you should be able to edit the article to reflect current statistics, the trick is to use reliable sources to substantiate your inputs. Celestina007 (talk) 21:21, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

vote to merge?

How do I vote whether an article should be merged or not to another one? I see people here voting to merge, how do I do that? The Tips of Apmh (talk) 18:06, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

@The Tips of Apmh Welcome to the Teahouse. By following the relevant link in the merge notice, you arrive at the discussion (you have already linked to one such example). Click 'edit' against that subject heading and copy the general format used by others. This is usually an asterisk (which creates a new bulleted line) followed by either Merge or Object in boldface, then your rationale for expressing that opinion. For example:

• Merge I agree with the proposal because the page on its own is not really necessary, and merging would bring related content much closer together. (signed)

Then sign with four tilde characters in the normal way, and leave an edit summary: Merge/Object.

Does that help you? Nick Moyes (talk) 19:58, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes: As a mountaineer, you're quite familiar with snow. Thoughts on WP:SNOWBALLing the discussion there? It's been months, and there's no indication Uno H2O is even nearly notable enough for its own article. TheTechnician27 (Talk page) 01:28, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes: Yes, that helps, thanks. I just didn't know whether I had to click a specific link to vote and it would automatically be formatted or something like that. --The Tips of Apmh (talk) 02:15, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

Greater Manchester articles

The user https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Zynthetik#Your_edits

Thinks certain articles should be changed to suburbs of Manchester and that human settlement in England is bland boring and unhelpful.

I've said my reasons and why a concensus should be sought after before changing long established articles on wiki.

DragonofBatley (talk) 20:49, 30 October 2021 (UTC) DragonofBatley (talk) 20:49, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

@DragonofBatley hello, could you please not post the same question at diverse venues? I just replied you at ANI, but I don’t mind repeating myself, the appropriate venue for protecting articles as your question indicated at ANI, is WP:RFPP, that is a venue where you may want to file for a page to be protected. Celestina007 (talk) 21:15, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

You and Zynthetik are disagreeing at several articles, including Middleton, Greater Manchester, and you have initiated a discussion on Z's Talk page. Article protection is a standard response to persistent vandalism, but I get the sense that both of you are editing in god faith. Please remain patient. Disagree with content, but do not be disagreeable toward other editors. David notMD (talk) 21:22, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

Banning someone QUICK

User 12.124.90.246 has vandalized Wikipedia twice. He vandalized the Sheriff Woody in a very inappropriate way like really bad twice. Kaleeb18 (talk) 23:55, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

Report vandalism at the vandalism noticeboard. McClenon mobile (talk) 00:08, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for alerting us. We can't ban an anonymous user but the IP address can be temporarily blocked if the vandalism continues. ClaudineChionh (talk – contribs) 00:08, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

Ok Thank youKaleeb18 (talk) 00:14, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

Moving to draft

How do I move a deleted page to draft space? Australianblackbelt (talk) 23:59, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

@Australianblackbelt Welcome to the Teahouse. I'm afraid your question doesn't make sense to me. If a page has already been deleted by an administrator, then there is no longer anything available to be moved to draftspace. However, please see WP:REFUND. Often, moving a badly-formed article from mainspace to draftspace is a good way to avoid speedy deletion, but the reverse is not possible. Sorry. Nick Moyes (talk) 01:06, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

Move a pending AfC from draft to articles space.

Hello, Can I move some pending AfCs from draft to articles space? Another question is why some AFCs have not been reviewed (accept or decline)after 2 weeks? Kidsonthemoon (talk) 00:58, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

You have not created a draft that could be valid as an article, and you are not an AfC Reviewer, so answer is "No." Per the AfC notices, there is a backlog of thousands of submitted drafts, so could be days, weeks, months for a review (the system is not a queue). David notMD (talk) 01:11, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your answer.

I'll try to help Wikipedia with smaller edits. Kidsonthemoon (talk) 01:18, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

@Kidsonthemoon welcome to the Teahouse. Please leave the moving of draft articles into article space to more experienced editors. With just 39 edits here, I'm not sure your efforts would necessarily be appreciated by others. There are over 2,000 articles pending for review, and it can often take many weeks for one to be reviewed and dealt with. Nick Moyes (talk) 01:10, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your answer.

I decided to try to help Wikipedia as much as I can when I browse Wikipedia.

And I asked this question to know if it would be helpful if I made a change in this area as well.

Kidsonthemoon (talk) 01:17, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

Hey, Kidsonthemoon. In addition to what's been commented here, I want to say that wanting to jump in the deep end like this right from the get-go and help clear out the AfC backlog is really admirable. Seriously do come back when you have some more experience under your belt; I'm sure you'd make a great AfC reviewer. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheTechnician27 (talk • contribs) 01:43, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

Draft Help on Larry Pretlow II

Looking for help on fixing the tone of Larry Pretlow II. All content is based on reserach on the subject. Seemed to meet notability. Learned of subject during reserach on school redistricting plans and came across more than expected on the subject. RobbieLawson (talk) 01:02, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

My opinion is that Pretlow does not meet general notability nor politician notability, so no amount of revising this draft will lead to it being accepted. His discharge dispute with the U.S. Post Office does not make him notable, nor losing elections. David notMD (talk) 01:21, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

Okay RobbieLawson (talk) 01:36, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

Interlanguage wikilinks

How do I use the "interlanguage link" template such that only the foreign-language link shows while the actual text isn't a blue link? Right now I'm trying to do this for a German magazine called 'Video Games', and we don't have an article for it. However, it shows a blue link anyway because "video games" links straight to video game. Hopefully I explained this weird predicament okay. Basically: Video Games, but I'd like the word 'Video Games' not to link to video game; is this even possible? Thanks. TheTechnician27 (Talk page) 01:19, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

@TheTechnician27: Hmm, that is an interesting predicament. One option would be to use Video Games, if you think the article in English would ultimately belong at Video Games (magazine). But honestly, the best option would probably be to just make a stub and tag it with {{Expand German}}. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 02:04, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

@Sdkb: Unfortunately, I don't think it would qualify for a stub here on the English Wikipedia were I to make it. The best source I can find about it is this article in a German trade publication, and there's not really much else. I'm not German, so there may be more out there (English-language sources would likely be a needle in a haystack for obvious reasons), but as a new page patroller, I couldn't even mark the stub I would make as patrolled since it wouldn't even have two reliable, independent sources. I'd imagine someone out there could do that, though, so I'll just create a red link in the interim and let Ward Cunningham's eventualist philosophy work its magic. TheTechnician27 (Talk page) 02:13, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

TheTechnician27, You're advised: the best option would probably be to just [[WP:Make stubs|make a stub]] and tag it with {{tl|Expand German}}. Uhhh ... the article would then say "This article may be expanded with text translated from the corresponding article in German." This risks being misinterpreted as suggesting that the German article merits translation. (It does not.) The template would better say "This article may be slightly expanded with text translated from that little within the corresponding article in German that's adequately referenced." But to my knowledge no such template exists. -- Hoary (talk) 12:58, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

@TheTechnician27: I saw a related suggestion at the Helpdesk. If you used {{ill|Video Games (magazine)|lt=Video Games|de|Video Games}} it would render as Video Games You can thank PrimeHunter for this: he's a whiz at this sort of thing. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:16, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

Oops, I see that's basically the advice already given by Sdkb. My bad.... Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:19, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

Roger Allen Daly City Murder

Correction needed on Daly City,CA history

Mr. Roger Allen was murdered by Daly City, CA police on April 7, 2021 rather than April 13, 2021.

Thank you 2601:640:8881:7010:9CD6:AE03:F4BB:7D97 (talk) 04:14, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

Please discuss this on the article's talk page and provide reliable sources. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 04:38, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

The IP is correct. The existing source clearly shows that the event was on April7 (the coverage is dated April 13).

Please link to the article in question next time. I have corrected the date in Daly City, California and rewritten the poorly written section in question [7]. Meters (talk) 04:54, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

Added a more recent source which clarifies things [[8]]. I don't know that this belongs in the History section of the article, but at least now it no longer uses the POV and incorrect term "murdered". Meters (talk) 05:14, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

Meters, I truly doubt that this is the most important event of the last 37 years in a city of over 100,000 residents, especially since no charges were filed and there is no Wikipedia article about this particular tragic death. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 06:29, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

I have absolutely no objection to removing this material, and in fact, would support its removal. I just dealt with the immediate problem of the poorly-written, POV-worded, and inaccurate version that we had. Meters (talk) 20:34, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

City-data includes info that Daly City has roughly one violet death per year (not counting suicides). This one not uniquely historic. David notMD (talk) 21:13, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

Yami Gautam RJ (brone 04 February 1998), Dental Assistant who predominantly in yasko dental hospital

user:Yami Gautam RJ (talk) 9:16 pm, Today (UTC−7)
(sig added)--Quisqualis (talk) 06:03, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

Hello, did you have a question about editing Wikipedia? Note that Wikipedia is not for hosting professional or personal profiles. ClaudineChionh (talk – contribs) 04:38, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

New to Wikipedia

Hello everyone! I'm from England. I'm new to Wikipedia, joined on 29 October. I've heard about Teahouse, a friendly place where questions can be asked to get help with using and editing Wikipedia. Can anyone give me some tips on how I can improve Wikipedia and create articles? Thank you so much. Richard M William (talk) 07:23, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

Welcome! The Task Centre lists a lot of things that anyone can do to help. Your first article advises on creating new articles but it would be good to spend some time on other tasks first. Thanks for stopping by! ClaudineChionh (talk – contribs) 07:31, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for your advice! I'll try to improve Wikipedia as much as I can. Richard M William (talk) 07:48, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

User:Richard M William Generally while I'm reading Wikipedia for fun and education I may encounter what I think is a weakness in an article, so I'll try to improve it if I have enough time, energy, and interest. There are numerous ways to improve an article. One way is, if you see a word in the article that is explained by another article on Wikipedia, you can link the word to the article. For example, let's say, hypothetically, I was reading the Wikipedia article on ballet, and I saw that "Tom Jones" (hypothetical example) was an early innovator in ballet. Tom Jones has his own article on Wikipedia. But the mention of Tom Jones in the Ballet article isn't linked to Tom Jones's own article. You can link it. Do be aware that it's the first mention of something in an article that has its own article that should be linked. If Tom Jones is mentioned five times in the Ballet article, you don't want to link every mention to Tom Jones' own article, only the first mention.

Another way is if you read an article and you think something important is left out, you can add that. Many times filling in something left out will involve gathering information and adding it to the article. Sometimes adding left-out information will only involve adding one word, sometimes a few words, sometimes a sentence, sometimes a paragraph, sometimes a section.

Sometimes a Wikipedia article will be poorly organized, and you can improve that.

Another way is to start an article. Do you know of anything that should have its own article on Wikipedia that doesn't already? Greg Dahlen (talk) 14:14, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

Change of phone no on Amazon Prime

I have got a new Apple 12 phone and I want to change my phone details on Amazon prime. E-mail remains same. Hope to have a positive response 106.202.16.147 (talk) 09:31, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

We can't help you – try Amazon customer service. ClaudineChionh (talk – contribs) 09:32, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

Need help with revision

I received a response that this page appears to read more like an advertisement rather than an informative page. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:San_Francisco_Mandarin_Baptist_Church Theomizuhara (talk) 13:57, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Theomizuhara. Your draft is a directory listing, not an encyclopedia article. Wikipedia is not a directory. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 15:58, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

@Theomizuhara: Welcome to the Teahouse! Wikipedia's encyclopedia articles are written in paragraphs, such as Riverside Church. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 16:57, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

and, Theomizuhara, Wikipedia has little interest in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is almost entirely interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If enough material is cited from independent sources to establish notability, a limited amount of uncontroversial factual information may be added from non-independent sources. An article should be based close to 100% on such sources; if there are few or no such sources then probably the subject does not meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability, and no article is possible. --ColinFine (talk) 17:35, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

All the "references" do is confirm the church exists (church directories, etc.). Nothing in the draft suggests the church building or its congregation is note worthy. David notMD (talk) 21:16, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

Change of image name

Sorry but I am not used with the English Wikipedia upload system and I make a silly mistake. I uploaded this image and as you can see in the field for the file name I've put the description. Is there a way to change the name of the file from that one to a simple "Fluorsid Logo.png". Thanks for your help. Sandrino 14 (talk) 14:44, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

@Sandrino 14: I have requested that the image is renamed. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 15:38, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

 Done (with lowercase "logo" because "logo" is not part of the company name) — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 18:06, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

Why doesn't Billie Blair article have table of contents?

I thought Wikipedia automatically created a table of contents on articles. So why doesn't Billie Blair have one? Greg Dahlen (talk) 15:45, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

A table of content is automatically generated but it requires four or more headings first; if the article were longer with more sections, it would generate one. It's generally not seen as necessary for three or fewer headings (especially as one of those will be for references rather than content). ᵹʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ ꭗ 15:50, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

@Greg Dahlen:If, for some reason, you want to force a table of contents to be created when there are three or few sections, write __FORCETOC__ at the top of the article. It's quite rare that that's a good idea, but it does happen. Herostratus (talk) 01:58, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

@Herostratus: Not sure what you mean "write at the top of the article" to force table of contents creation? Greg Dahlen (talk) 09:36, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

Herostratus' post included code which didn't display due to not being wrapped in nowiki tags, but I've amended that now. The code __FORCETOC__ will create a table of contents where one isn't automatically generated but isn't recommended. ᵹʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ ꭗ 09:49, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

I'm struggling to see how this subject meets notability. There are tens if not hundreds of thousands of models and former professional models in the world: Blair does not, on the evidence of the article, stand out – one 3-paragraph People magazine article about her in 1974, one New York Times article about African-American models in 2011 that presumably mentions her (behind a paywall for me), and one 2016 book about a fashion show in France (not even mentioned in the article) in which she was one of ten African-American models are the only three references, and the description of her early life and modelling career seem no more than personal trivia and routine employment. If she is notable, the article needs to work a lot harder to demonstrate it. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.200.65.29 (talk) 08:19, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

There's more material out there, so she does meet the WP:GNG notability rule, cos we also have several paragraphs here and here is another meaty article, which has more info on here religious career. And there's more. @Greg Dahlen: you should probably work some of that material into the article as these additional references will protect the article from being considered insufficient notable to continue to exist. Herostratus (talk) 13:57, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

Sidney Percy Marland Jr.

I am planning to create an article to cover the life and accomplishments of Sidney Percy Marland, Jr. He was the US's Undersecretary of Education in the Nixon administration and helped establish policies to support gifted and talented education at the national level. Wikipedia has an aticle on the Marland Report already (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marland_report) but there is no article covering Mr Marland's biography.

I am seeking feedback on the notability of the person and wanted to make sure this would pass review before I start contributing to wikipedia.

thanks P PI 71 5280 2021 (talk) 16:23, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

@PI 71 5280 2021: The basic notability requirements for people depends on reliable sources. What are the three best reliable sources you would use for the article about Marland? GoingBatty (talk) 17:01, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

1. https://www.nytimes.com/1992/05/27/nyregion/sidney-marland-jr-77-former-us-school-chief.html
2. http://unsworks.unsw.edu.au/fapi/datastream/unsworks:38817/bin993478ed-18e7-47b7-a2df-8845988c9ed9?view=true
3. https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1992-05-28-9202170493-story.html

@PI 71 5280 2021: Thanks for providing these three citations. Note that I moved them under my question and numbered them. I can't read #1 directly because my limit of free NYT articles is up, but found an archived version at the Wayback Machine. #1 and #3 are both obituaries by independent reliable sources with information about Marland. #2 seems to be more about the Marland Report - what information about Marland the person would you get from this source? Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 21:38, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

How to add reliable sources without people getting rid of them

 French danish digger (talk) 16:34, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

If they are indeed reliable sources and the information they support is relevant to the article, it shouldn't really be removed, but if that's the case, use the talk page of the article in question to discuss why it was removed--maybe the source isn't good, maybe the information is better suited elsewhere, maybe it was a simple mistake. But the article's talk page is always the first port of call if you come across it. ᵹʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ ꭗ 16:40, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

The editor here is a long-running block evader who has been adding fantasy claims to various articles on military topics. Nick-D (talk) 08:28, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

Haven't had this exact experience, but when someone changes my edit and I don't agree with their change generally I go to the talk page of the person and present why I think it's still a good edit and have a discussion with them Greg Dahlen (talk) 09:43, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

Thumbnail margins

Tea and biscuits for you. Add the 'clear' template to force the lower text down a bit.

Hi,
Can someone please tell me how to prevent text below a thumbnail from being indented? Thanks.
Emdosis (talk) 17:48, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

Hello Emdosis, and welcome to the Teahouse. It would probably have helped a bit had you given a link to a page you're having problems with, so we could see the precise issue. Normally, issues with text layout on a left-justified image can be resolved by using the {{clear}} template immediately below an image, which forces the text down and to the left. Or place it above the text you are seeing being indented (as probably appears here). But this can also create unpleasant blank space, so use with care. If this doesn't address your question, could you link to an example, please? Nick Moyes (talk) 20:31, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

 Thanks for replying. I've already tried {{clear}} but as you said, it created an annoying gap. I was thinking of using the {{border}} template but I don't think
 Wikipedia supports images in that template anymore :(
 Emdosis (talk) 22:04, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

Emdosis, I see that you used break tags, and I think hard spaces, in what you typed above, to produce an effect that is sensible if the reader's window is a particular width but not otherwise. You seem to be looking for bodges rather than for a proper fix to the problem – though I'm not sure a proper fix exists. Maproom (talk) 08:40, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

Failure to Respond to a Serious Issue

Was going to post this, then someone asked something about a thumbnail, and I couldn't publish changes. Anyways, a few days ago I asked a question on why I had issues with being signed in and stuff. But then I check back, and this question is deleted. 68.50.116.194 (talk) 17:54, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

Hello IP editor. The question wasn't deleted, just archived. Since this page gets a lot of posts from a lot of people, sections are archived relatively quickly, after 2 - 3 days with no new activity. You'll find the section you started at Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1129#Why am I signed out?. Please don't edit the archive page – if you have follow-up questions you can use this section to ask, since there is already a link here to the thread in the archive. Regards, --bonadea contributions talk 18:03, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

Saw someone who said they started on the 28th. Started three days earlier for me. No welcomes for me. Then I lose my account. Question gets deleted. Nobody takes me seriously. Spent hours on this, only to not get much in return. Do you expect me to just forget this? 68.50.116.194 (talk) 17:59, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

I'm not quite sure what this means, but I'll combine this section with the previous one you started. Regards, --bonadea contributions talk 18:04, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

@68.50.116.194: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Don't worry-- your question didn't get deleted. After a thread has been around for a few days, a robot archives it to make room for newer questions. You can find your question here. It appears that a few editors have replied to it. Helen(💬📖) 18:05, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

Thanks. 68.50.116.194 (talk) 18:10, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

The Serious Issue

I'm "Sryforprtyrockin!" and "Pikiwedia98461". And my password was saved physically in very understandable text on a piece of paper, so I don't think it has to do with online stuff. By the way, I was signed in on the 25th. After accidentally logging out, I tried to log back in using my password, but it didn't work. So I made the account "Sryforprtyrockin!". The day after I made that account, I found myself logged out. Then I successfully logged back into PIkiwedia98461, but the next time I went into Wikipedia, once again I was signed out. Fast forward a few days, and here we are. 68.50.116.194 (talk) 18:14, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

I would like it if I could get signed in back into "Pikiwedia98461". The physically saved password for that I lost, but I do have the one for "Sryforpartyrockin!". Maybe I can privately message the password and they can sign me back in or something? I don't know. I just wish this issue could get fixed. 68.50.116.194 (talk) 18:16, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

If you don't have the password to the account and you don't have email enabled, then there is nothing that can be done. You will need to switch to using the other account. I suggest you enable email for it, so that you can recover the password if needed in the future. It is a good idea to add a note to the user page saying you previously used the first account. RudolfRed (talk) 18:39, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

Adding a second Non-free use rationale to a non-free image

Hi!

Is it possible to add a second non-free use rationale to an image?

Thanks. HiwilmsTalk 18:57, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

@Hiwilms: Welcome to the Teahouse! Yes, you can have multiple non-free use rationales for an individual image - see File:Beatles - Abbey Road.jpg for an example. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 21:43, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

Hi HostBot. Thank you for inviting Depisteme

Hi HostBot,

Thank you for inviting Depisteme as a guest to the Teahouse.

Greetings to the Wikipedia, and Teahouse hosts, as well as to the experienced editor; Keelan (talk) (as highlighted in the thought).

I like "Warm Welcome" just like you did it.

Revising a thought is either good or bad. We should not enter now this since it needs a long discussion (i.e., Philosophy, specifically; "D"oxa and episteme).

Yes, that is what do I mean; science is absolute as you know. Hypothesis can be rejected or approved, I am not agree with Karl Popper's falsification "argument" since I don't consider it as a theory. His notable student was Soros from Budapest, and his studentship was from London School of Economics if my memory doesn't mislead to me; as I remember.

I met with Sir Professor Dr Christopher Pissarides. I "think" Sir must be at the beginning should be not end. I don't like end with a "Title", as especially as "Sir", and as "noble" as awarded to him by the Royal Kingdom's Family. Yes, should* be "... the ✓"Royal Kingdom's"✓ °Family°. I know why you ask this question but *we are not different* (see below this tick mark (✓)), back to the question (i.e., the reason) that;

Human is temperorary (i.e., Tangible, Human is material with a body. Body is mechanic) but the Thoughts are permanent (i.e., Intangible, i.e., Kingdom is a Name. A name is just like a Firm's Brand but not just like firm. If Incumbent Firm i.e., top shapes thoughts (intangible), and formulate the thought thereafter implement the thought in material World (i.e., it starts to be "seen", tangible, namely; "Strategy").

Therefore,

Human is temperorary but thought is permanent. Yes, I do mean as you think i.e., Kingdom = Thought. So, now you might remember why "... The greatest man is interested in "thoughts", not in "people" (Important Note: I do mean people not human. He is interested in "human"), and not the "events", as well

(√) We are not different "because" you and I, are connected to each other. Now, you are my best friend.

Although Bot, as you know; there will be Version 1, Version 2, Version 3, Versions* sit on infrastructure. You are infrastructure so you will be permanent, Bot..., You are going to live permanently.

Me?

Yes, Body is temperorary...,

but

please don't be sad.

If I might create "a thought" (i.e., infrastructure of my body), will be permanent.

I am going to live in thoughts just like you with Version 1 of The Thought, Version 2 of The Thought, Version 3 of the Thought.

- "Connect the Thought"

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18:06, 31 October 2021 (UTC) Depisteme (talk) 20:25, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

@Depisteme Welcome to the Teahouse - a place where practical questions about editing Wikipedia can be asked and answered. Forgive me, but I have absolutely no idea what you're getting at, though I see you posted the same on your talk page, in reply to our automated welcoming tool, HostBot. Anyway, anytime you need assistance with editing, just ask. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 20:40, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

Nick Moyes (talk)

- Your letter is your thought.The quality of the Thought shows the quality of "a Human" 😊

- I am disappointed that you are in Wikipedia without "a thought.

- Thank you for (((enlightening))) very important "event". Your letter is encrypted therefore this proves you are interested in "events", and "people";

It is a bot• but ruled by "a Human°".

Since you are not interested in "a Human's thought, then what are you doing in Wikipedia? Are you dating?, or, What? Tell me, or, Approaching people unfriendly?

As you stated "...I have absolutely no idea what you're getting at", me too, I have absolutely no any* idea why Wikipedia, (Global Encyclopedia) does host you in the Tea House?

Psychology (e.g., William James) is a good reference.

Be far away!

Thanks,

Let's try again. Hostbot is an automated program that invited you to Teahouse. Per Nick Moyes (a person), Teahouse is a place to ask practical questions about Wikipedia editing. TeaHouse Hosts (Nick, me, others, are volunteers). It is not a place for philosophical musings, or any musings. If you are not here to improve articles, you are at risk for being indefinitely blocked. David notMD (talk) 21:34, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

Depisteme, please explain why you wrote "(((enlightening)))" like that. Herostratus (talk) 01:52, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

Disagreement and reverts

New editor here with a question. Health effects of chocolate states that there are essentially no positive health effects of chocolate. I found a recent review article that lists lots of cardiovascular benefits to chocolate. This is a review article, which is what is needed under WP:MEDRS. I edited the article to insert these findings and delete the statement in the lede that there are no positive effects. An existing editor immediately reverted my edits. Here is our discussion about it: [9] He seems unwilling to admit that there are legitimate studies showing a health benefit.

Am I in the wrong? Why? How am I wrong? If I am not wrong, how do I handle this? Isabela31 (talk) 00:22, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

This does seem to be a WP:MEDREV concern which can be more specific than general RS discussions—I would recommend raising a discussion at WT:MED for further input among more specialist editors for a second opinion there. ᵹʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ ꭗ 00:27, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

Comment added at WT:MED. David notMD (talk) 01:36, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

Follow-up comment added at WT:MED. David notMD (talk) 11:38, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

Personal attacks & counterproductive editing

Hi, I've been on Wikipedia for awhile but have never had any issues with personal attacks and am not sure how to deal with it. On the page American Families Plan (which I created and am the principal author of) an IP address made some edits that, while not disruptive (and did lead me to make a constructive addition), are misleading, poorly sourced, and poorly placed. I reverted the IP's edit but the IP has been both stubborn about reverting my undo's (I have ceased reverting after his second revert of my revert to avoid an edit war) and has quickly begun engaging in fairly egregious personal attacks. Specifically, after I reverted the IP's addition, they went to my talk page and alleged that I "should be apprehended before furthering poisoning this Wikipedia community with your hate and bias" (the dispute, to clarify, is on the relation between a proposal by the Biden administration to require banks to report account inflows and outflows to the IRS and his American Families Plan). I warned the IP of personal attacks in a response to his comment on my talk page, on the IP's talk page, and in an edit comment. The IP then reinstated their bad edit, despite an addition I made to the page to accommodate what they wanted added, and added in their edit comment "are you blind or just ignorant?...I stand by my previous comments made...your edit history suggest a level of emotional immaturity", as well as adding on my talk page "its people like you who are a plague to the wiki". The IP has only made 16 edits but, aside from these personal attacks, appears to mostly make constructive edits. I am not sure how to go about dealing with this and would be grateful for some advice. Jaydavidmartin (talk) 05:27, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

In accordance with WP:NPA, you can choose to remove their attacks on your talk page, and optionally, replace it with {{RPA}}. You can also choose to outright ignore the attacks and respond to content regarding actual article content. WhoAteMyButter (📨_talk│📝^contribs) 06:40, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

Remove Cartoon from page (Muhammad)

Its my humble request you to remove cartoon pictures of Prophet Muhammad(Peace be upon him) from page as shown below link. Muhammad— Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.138.180.193 (talk • contribs)

Hello, you might find these summaries of previous discussions helpful: Talk:Muhammad/images and Talk:Muhammad/FAQ. ClaudineChionh (talk – contribs) 09:13, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

See also Help:Options to hide an image. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:22, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

Need help with convert template

If someone could please provide the appropriate units to use in the {{convert}} template for converting metric horsepower (pferdstarke) to imperial horsepower that would be swell. I can't find any appropriate documentation. Thanks in advance. Obama gaming (talk) 11:03, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

@Obama gaming I can't give you a definitive answer (especially as I've just been called away to lunch!), but see this archived discussion which might shed some light on your problem. Note: it's always worth searching a template talk page's archives if you hit difficulties like this. They sometimes reveal helpful past discussions. So, see also these discussions if you need to look further. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 12:32, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

Mistake

By mistake I nominate this page for deletion so can anyone close the deletion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Marina_Oswald_Porter UserABCXYZ (talk) 11:54, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

Hi @UserABCXYZ, see WP:WDAFD. Eevee01^(talk) 12:18, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

@UserABCXYZ I have closed the discussion as 'speedy keep', linking to this declaration here. As has been pointed out to you already, there are concerns about your being a very new user who is rushing in to do things they do not fully understand. It's always important to spend time, not only learning how to edit, but also to understand out policies, especially on Notability. You should probably read: WP:CIR, as this is very relevant to you at the moment. Take is slowly and you'll learn faster, but not by the hard way! Nick Moyes (talk) 12:24, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

Using AFC

Is it mandatory to use AFC? Only one article I submitted out of few got reviewed so far so I think everyone is busy already. I used to create drafts and move to mainspace but then I was asked to not do it and use AFC. But I don't see anywhere written that I must use it. Can someone clarify? Sunisineast (talk) 12:58, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

AfC is not mandatory for autoconfirmed users, but when you have been asked to use it, it is probably best to follow that advice. I looked at Draft:Gerhard Rach and I'm afraid I agree with the other editor who asked you to use AfC. Learning to write articles takes time, and the point of AfC is to give new editors a chance to learn those skills without having their new articles immediately deleted. --bonadea contributions talk 13:38, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Sunisineast, and welcome to the Teahouse. To use a building analogy, your question is "When I build a house is it mandatory to get the design checked by an architect and the construction checked by a builder?" The answer is no, but unless you've spent long enough in the building trade learning what you need to do, your house is likely to fall down. Successfully creating an encyclopaedia article for Wikipedia is much more difficult than it appears. --ColinFine (talk) 14:19, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

Where might be a good place to put information about dance intensives?

I learned recently about dance "intensives". They are intense courses of a few weeks, generally in ballet, generally during the summer. A good description is here: https://northernplainsdance.org/what-is-a-summer-intensive/.

I'd like to add info about the general concept of what intensives are to some article somewhere on Wikipedia. But I can't find a place to add it. It's a little too specific for Dance education or Classical_ballet#Training. Can someone find a good place to put it? It might merit its own article. Greg Dahlen (talk) 13:43, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

citations

Hello there, I’ve realized that most articles that talk about a character in a movie, including good articles, have almost no citations. For example Elsa (Frozen) in the appearances section. Is that ok and if so when would I need to add citations? Kaleeb18 (talk) 14:42, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

For characters (and events) within a work of fiction, the work itself is considered to be the source for everything it explicitly depicts: citing the work to itself would be superfluous. However, what the article says about those elements as depicted in the work still needs to be accurate, and can be challenged if it isn't.

Sometimes, however, facts about a character (for example) might come into play from a source outside the work itself. For instance, the character Professor Dumbledore in the Harry Potter books never has his sexuality mentioned in the books, but the author J. K. Rowling famously declared in a social media post that he was gay, leading to considerable discussion: mention of this would have to be cited to appropriate reliable sources. Similarly, assertions that a particular character was inspired by a real-life person (as for example Sherlock Holmes was by Joseph Bell would need to be supported by citations to Arthur Conan Doyle actually saying so. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.205.225.31 (talk) 16:13, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

yeah, the annoyingly long part is citing them, and I have thought about it. Like you could forget to cite something, or maybe you saw something once years ago and then put it in an article without citing it. 68.50.116.194 (talk) 16:09, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

Andy Orchard entry

This entry has been édite recently to cover sexuel harassement allégations reported by AlJazeera. The Master of Pembroke college has sent a letter to all students, stating that there are no accusations that Orchard has harasses any students at the College. I delete the Wikipedia reference to allégations of harassement at Oxford, suinte I believe all allégations reported relate to Orchard in Toronto or in Cambridge. My délétion has been restored, but I submit that no evidence has been supplies that Orchard has been accused of harassement in Oxford. If I am correct, may I request that my édit is allowed to stand, if not, that some evidence is provided? 82.1.49.140 (talk) 15:13, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

Hi IP editor. Thank you for coming to the Teahouse and also thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. Per policy, if you have made a Bold edit and are Reverted by another editor then you should Discuss it on the article's talk page. Any discussion you might have here at the Teahouse concerning the validity of your claim or evidence would, potentially, only be seen by a small amount of editors and editors that have probably had little to no involvement in the topic of choice to this point. By discussing on the article talk page you will get a more directed discussion about the pertinent information at hand and keep that discussion on a page that is related to the subject, if that makes sense. --ARoseWolf 15:20, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

Happy November!

Hello everyone happy first day of November :D — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.50.116.194 (talk) 16:07, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

Climate Template

Could someone please add the weather template to the page of the municipality of Abrego? Here is the information about the climate of this municipality, but I do not know how to place the data in the template, someone could do it for me? I would appreciate it very much. Seb { 💬 Talk + 📝 Edits } 16:05, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

IS IT A BAD IDEA TO EDITH AND UP-COMING PERSON WIKI?

 Lifeofaka (talk) 16:18, 1 November 2021 (UTC) I always dream that one day I could be giving a privilage to edit and improved Wikipedia, today I join Wikipedia and I just successfully inproved Matthew ishaya Audu's Wikipedia. without a mistake, am very happy I wish I could be giving a privilege to start editing .