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Is reference from Baidu Baike accepted as Wikipedia citation?

Good day room,

Is reference from Baidu Baike accepted as Wikipedia citation?

What if a historical place exists but there isn't enough reference available? Is it possible to publish an article about that place?

Thanks. Sultanularefeen (talk) 07:13, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Sultanularefeen. Although there are major differences in how Baidu Baike and Wikipedia are operated, both projects are based on user generated content. Therefore, a Baidu Baike article is not acceptable as a reliable source on Wikipedia. Similarly, one Wikipedia article cannot be used as a reliable source for another Wikipedia article. In both cases, such an article may lead you to actually reliable sources if they are cited.

Coverage of historical places requires references to reliable sources. Otherwise, unethical people could just fabricate hoax articles about supposed historical places. Cullen328 (talk) 07:24, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

Many thanks for your information Cullen328. Sultanularefeen (talk) 09:26, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

Sultanularefeen, please don't ask the same question in different places. I have gone to the trouble of answering your question on my user talk page, and now I find you asked the exact same question here. ColinFine (talk) 16:19, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

Cullen328, I posted the question in Teahouse with the hope that I might get the answers from several Wikipedians. Sultanularefeen (talk) 05:32, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

The Wikipedia International Churches of Christ article

Most of the religious organizations that have articles in Wikipedia have a criticism section. Why does the International Churches of Christ article not have a criticism section? Every time someone tries to enter criticisms or create a criticism page the edits are reverted and taken out. 2600:1700:4260:35D0:5142:ABEC:5B2D:D219 (talk) 20:45, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

Courtesy link: International Churches of Christ. 331dot (talk) 20:56, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

Someone with the same IP (maybe you?) are already discussing this at Talk:International_Churches_of_Christ, that is the place to discuss improvements to the article. If talk page discussions don't lead to consensus, read about next steps at WP:DR RudolfRed (talk) 21:01, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

(ec) "Tries to enter criticism" is putting it mildly, in looking at the edit history. The article will not be turned into a hit piece on this organization, please see neutral point of view. If you have independent reliable sources and are interested in summarizing them neutrally, please discuss this on the talk page. 331dot (talk) 21:03, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

Criticism sections aren't always the best way to deal with negative coverage of a topic (see Wikipedia:Criticism#"Criticism" section), but thanks for flagging up this article, which would benefit from some attention from editors with experience of dealing with contentious topics and are in need of more independent sourcing. Cordless Larry (talk) 08:01, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

Cast actor

hi, I was wondering how I can add actors in a TV series (Will tnt series) for the Cast paragraph. I tried but it keeps getting removed and seen it a promotion while there's proof on the rotten tomatoes and tv guide Veganpurplefox (talk) 21:03, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

@Veganpurplefox: hello and welcome to the teahouse. I suggest that you bring this issue up at the talk page of the TV series you're working on. I do not know TV series very well.

Also, please be mindful about WP:Reliable Sources. I am not sure if Rotten Tomatoes counts as a reliable source–someone please chip in. TheLonelyPather (talk) 22:25, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

Okay thank you, rotten tomatoes appears green and reliable on this: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Perennial_sources#perennial_sources Veganpurplefox (talk) 22:28, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

@Veganpurplefox: It seems like you are reading that entry wrong. It reports - There is consensus that Rotten Tomatoes should not be used for biographical information,... - and that should be considered to include info like appearance in cast lists. I urge you to look for better sources. Even a recap site would be better if it mentions the actor by name, but a more regular review of the episode that talks about the actor's contribution would be best. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 01:47, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

but it's not a biography, he is in the cast list. And there's also recap referring him Veganpurplefox (talk) 01:51, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

I didn't read it wrong Veganpurplefox (talk) 01:52, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

On an other language of his there was this article that mentions him too https://naekranie.pl/osoby/edward-hayter and appears in more than just these that I wrote Veganpurplefox (talk) 02:49, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

it was a Wikipedia reliable reference in an other language Veganpurplefox (talk) 02:50, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

Veganpurplefox, other-language Wikipedias are separate projects independent from this English-language Wikipedia. They each determine their own standards of reference reliability, often different from en.Wikipedia, which is often said to have the most stringent standards. That an o-l Wikipedia accepts a source is no guarantee that en.Wikipedia will do so (although it might, and references here don't have to be in English).

Biographical information is any information pertaining to a person's life, including whether (or not) they acted in a particular film: it doesn't have to be in an actual biographical article. Wikipedia is particularly strict about it when the person concerned is still alive. See WP:BLP. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 51.194.81.165 (talk) 13:45, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

Whats the difference from an alive person and a dead one? And why is english more strick than other languages? Veganpurplefox (talk) 13:53, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

One difference is how unsourced or improperly sourced statements are handled. For a living person, the response is most likely going to be removal of the statement. In other cases, it's a judgement call. Perhaps all that is needed is a {{citation needed}} tag. In either case, of course, if a suitable source is found using that source is the preferred solution. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 17:13, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

@Veganpurplefox In most jurisdictions, you cannot libel a dead person, only a living one. English Wikipedia has been caught out in the past by hoax articles about living people, e.g. the Wikipedia Seigenthaler biography incident. This WMF page suggests that standards across all Wikis should be similar on biographies of living people. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:23, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

Is Worldpopulationreview.com a deprecated source?

I was updating the Akiachak, Alaska article and noticed that the aforementioned website had quite useful information about the 2020 census data for Akiachak. However, the interface and the amount of ads on the website are off putting, which makes me wonder if it is a deprecated or otherwise untrustworthy source. Figured this was a good place to ask if I should cite it. Thanks in advance. Slamforeman (talk) 04:15, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

Slamforeman, much the better place to ask is WP:RSN. (The question has already been raised there, but got no response.) -- Hoary (talk) 06:04, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the redirect! I will ask my question over there instead. Slamforeman (talk) 15:02, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

Draft: Self-Assessment Manikin

Link: Draft:Self-Assessment Manikin

I'm looking to add a photo of the scale to the page but I can't find a concrete copyright license to the picture. Sources from academic journals should be under free-use,.but I know Wikipedia doesn't allow free-use content in general, so I'm not sure how to go about it.

Any other advice on improving the article would also be appreciated, thanks! 267 08:33, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

Twosixtyseven: the first sentence of the draft refers, ungrammatically, to "a stimuli". It says that the subject is an "assessment technique", but does not make clear what's being assessed, or who might be doing the assessment, or why. It does go into the details of the technique, but that's not much use to the general reader, who won't know what the technique is for. Maproom (talk) 07:44, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback! I edited that section a little, is it any more clear now? 267 08:33, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

Yes, that's much better! Maproom (talk) 09:56, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

Twosixtyseven, if by "Sources from academic journals should be under free-use" you mean "Material in academic journals is conventionally ('all rights reserved') copyright, and therefore can only be reused within Wikipedia via a claim of 'fair use'", then I understand. However, this wouldn't be true: some academic journals are copyleft. -- Hoary (talk) 08:07, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

Yes, the first part is what I mean, but I'm not sure if I totally understand your second sentence (to be honest, I'm not sure I understand what copyleft means). Do you mean that some journals do allow distributing materials even without fair use, and if so, do you have any advice as to how to go about finding this information? 267 08:33, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

I'll try to answer you (after a break for dinner); but first, are you Heyu929 or are you Twosixtyseven? However well-intentioned, signing yourself [[User:Heyu929|267]] is a sure-fire way to confuse and irritate the people you're dealing with. -- Hoary (talk) 09:08, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

Heyu929 or Twosixtyseven, when you and I write here, we are copyrighting what we write under the the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License 4.0. This is a flavor of copyleft, which in turn is a flavor of copyright. Now, when looking for material outside Wikipedia for potential repurposing within Wikipedia, unless we have an excellent reason not to do so we assume conventional copyright. Conventional copyright may be asserted by the copyright holder, but failure to assert it doesn't mean it doesn't hold. If it is asserted, the assertion may or may not be accompanied by the formula "All rights reserved". If this does appear, all rights are reserved by the copyright holder; if it doesn't appear, then we should assume that all rights are reserved by the copyright holder unless we have an excellent reason not to do so. Now, the vast majority of recently published academic articles and books are conventionally copyright ("All rights reserved"). However, some are not. Consider the Language Science Press, which says: "All our books are published under the CC-BY license. In exceptional cases, we have published books under the CC-BY-SA and the CC-BY-ND license." Material copyright with a CC-BY or CC-BY-SA license can be used for Wikipedia, provided that whoever uploads it to Wikimedia Commons scrupulously provides copyright-related information. ¶ Now, what's your signature? -- Hoary (talk) 11:49, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

@Heyu929 Your source doi:10.1371/journal.pone.0148037 has an explicit copyright statement saying that the article is CC BY 4.0, "which permits unrestricted use, distribution, and reproduction in any medium, provided the original author and source are credited" and is absolutely OK for Commons, where you will provide the URL from which you obtained the diagram(s) you wish to use. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:55, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

@Hoary Thanks, that's really great information and I'll keep that in mind for the future. As for the signature, I changed my username a while back (privacy issues) and didn't realise the signature doesn't change along with it! Edited it now, sorry for the confusion! 267 03:25, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

@Michael D. Turnbull Thanks for going so in-depth into the article! 267 03:28, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

I want to publish info on my person and efforts so far

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Wikipedia account - draft contents Sverre T. Evensen - author and innovator - born in Oslo, Norway on February 21, 1945 Pen name S.T.Evensen – a Google Book Search Partner; Initiator of a Social Enterprise for Impact Investing – organized as a Collaborative Value Network Overview Books and New Venture Competitions: 1981. Economic Co-responsibility – a dividing line in politics. Cappelen/Bonnier – pursued by          Endowment for Ethics & Enterprise (EEE) and Bankier.co mentioned below; 2006. Director from the Outside: Good Governance inspired by Democratic Values. Xlibris.com 2016. Nordic Model Analyses. Stances on Syndromes vs. Scenarios. Xlibris.com – on Institutional           Development and Consequences for Enterprise and Predictability; 1993-2018. The Altruistic Gene Trilogy. Xlibris.com – re: Pluralism, Behavior-oriented Real Economy          and Financial Innovation with Social Impact; 2017 and 2023 Entries in HBS.edu New Venture Competition - Social Enterprise for Impact Investing –          organized as a Collaborative Value Network (CVN) in Maritime Regions. Relevant work experience up to now In 1988 he initiated Bankier.co (Bankierhuset S.T.Evensen & Co DA) as a supplementing alternative to multi-role financial-groups resulting from deregulation of European financial markets. Cf. the website: www.bankier.co on scaling-up “of Social Enterprises for Impact Investing – organized as a Collaborative Value Networks” presented in HBS.edu NVC 2017“ – and “boosted by cyber-secure FINTECH“ presented in HBS.edu NVC 2023. He founded Endowment for Ethics & Enterprise along with Bankier.co and serves as a board member. Initiator of other voluntary activities for ethics & enterprise in the real economy: The Norwegian Shareholders Association (1979) and the Norwegian Enterpriser Association (1987) - with a secretariat at the time in the Polytechnic Association. Works in progress are mentioned on the Page: “Contact” at www.bankier.co  Education: NHH.no M.o.M. 1968; INSEAD.edu MBA, 1971; Wharton.edu AMP 1980; Norwegian National War College 1986; HBS.edu OPM27, 1997-1999; BI.no M.o.M. Governance and Innovation 2010. Links to academia and institutional development (Re: comparative analyses & initiatives) Member of the Board of Advisors (BoA) at Kean.edu/CBPM since 2013. Kean.edu is located near Newark’s Center for inter-Modal Transport & Distribution in New Jersey, USA. He has promoted: ·        Vocational training at university-level to benefit students’ learning and reduce tuition; ·        Programs for talents’ action learning based on parallel transfer of experience from emeriti of public- and private sector. Such programs can result in sources of cases for educational purposes. Assertion: International organizations should serve as much needed Catalysts of Collaboration between Academia and Maritime Centers - to help realize the above-mentioned ideas. Catalysts, maritime regions and regional academia can help communities face pro-actively China’s Road & Belt Strategy, which is supported by Asia Infrastructure Investment Bank (AIIB) - dominated by China. Note: Most people live and work in maritime regions. There, the needs of owners/ enterprisers and investors are similar - everywhere. Alas - Amsterdam, Hamburg and London have established public catalysts for impact investing. Sverre T. Evensen (talk) 08:34, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

@Sverre T. Evensen: Please look at the top of this page. It says this is: A friendly place where you can ask questions to get help with using and editing Wikipedia, not a place to post your resume. Additionaly, please see WP:WWIN, especially the WP:PROMOTION section. --CiaPan (talk) 08:40, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

Sverre T. Evensen(ec) Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. This is not the place to create and submit a draft- that is done via Articles for Creation. However, more generally, Wikipedia is not a place to post your resume or tell the world about yourself. Please read the autobiography policy. Wikipedia is a place to summarize what independent reliable sources state about topics that meet our definition of notability, not what someone wants to say about themselves. 331dot (talk) 08:41, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

Redirect page change

I wrote East Khandesh (former district) article. When the article wasn't exist, many link related to East Khandesh was redirected to Jalgaon district, I want you to delete that rediect page and link all links of East Khandesh to East Khandesh (former district). Tesla car owner (talk) 09:19, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Tesla car owner. You can go to the redirect, and select "What links here", to see what links there are through the redirection. If there aren't many, you can edit them individually yourself. If there are more, you'll need a bot to do it. I suspect that this may be something that AWB can do for you (I've never used it, so I don't know); otherwise you can go to bot requests. ColinFine (talk) 10:30, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

Inquiry on adding references

Hello! I am a new Wikipedia Writer/Editor and my first article draft requires some serious edits before moving to the mainspace. I understand about making the language more formal and neutral, will work now on that. However, I need to clarify some details about references. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Dr._Tharupathi_Munasinghe This is the article.I included some pdf, journal articles, newspaper articles, youtube links as references. Some of them had client's academic and career information published by his universities as a scholar. I also included some websites containing client's work. Can you please let me know what I had done wrong?

Also, my reviewer had stated :

Comment: Pretty much needs to be entirely rewritten. Sources are needed for the unsourced bits. Please remove external links from the body, and cut down on some of the works. ARandomName123 (talk)^{Ping me!} 17:22, 2 September 2023 (UTC)

1. Should I remove all external links?
2. Which work do you sugget I better cut down?

BizChrome (talk) 11:14, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello, BizChrome, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm afraid that the experience you are having is fairly standard for people who try to create an article as the first thing they do editing Wikipedia. So my advice would be to put Munasinghe aside entirely for a few weeks or even months, while you learn how Wikipedia works by making small improvements to some of our existing articles that interest you.

But when you do continue with the draft, the thing you need to understand is that Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. Essentially nothing written or published by him or his university will help your draft to be accepted.

You need to start by finding independent source that talk about him in some depth. That should be your very first step, long before actually writing any text, because if you can't find any, you'll know that he does not meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability, and not to spend any more time on it. If you find some, then you will need to forget everything you know about him, and write a summary of what those independent sources say. That is probably why the reviewer said "Pretty much needs to be entirely rewritten". Please see BACKWARDS. ColinFine (talk) 12:06, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

Thank you ColinFine, now I get what you explained. Sure, I will spend more time to explore within. I am actually glad my first try went wrong, as I am learning a lot. Thank you again and will refer to Teahouse for futher inquiries. BizChrome (talk) 13:40, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

Slight addition to User:ColinFine's excellent reply, you can use information from their personal websites/blogs/whatever under certain criteria (See WP:BLPSELFPUB), but, as Colin mentioned, it does not count towards notability. There's also a promotional tone that needs to be cleaned up, and watch for WP:PEACOCK words. (ex. "prominent", "skilled", "nuture", etc.) ARandomName123 (talk)^{Ping me!} 18:22, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

Adding a 'Thanks' button for reviewers

I am not sure if this is the right place but I would really like to know if there's some function to thank reviewers for reviewing articles beyond posting on their talk page, which could potentially be seen as annoying and/or time-consuming for the reviewer if they are busy. It strikes me as odd that there's such an easy way to thank people who make edits to a page on the watchlist but not for those who carry out the important review function, who probably have to wade through a lot of stuff. Is there a function I am missing, and if not can we please have one? =) BoomboxTestarossa (talk) 11:21, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

@BoomboxTestarossa Assuming you mean reviewers who have accepted WP:AfC drafts, there will always be an edit in the history where the draft was moved to mainspace as the reviewer accepted it. In a recent example, you can see that on 2 September and that's an edit that can be "thanked" in the usual way. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:34, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

David Wicht Article

 Courtesy link: Draft:David Wicht

Good Day

I was wondering if I could get help on my article about David Wicht. It keeps getting declined and there are multiple reliable sources about him and his role in the the South African film industry. I would like to speak to an editor about it because many other SA producers with much less clout than David have wikipedia pages so I am not sure why the article keeps getting rejected. Please help with some advice.

Kind Regards

Karin Karinvanderlaag (talk) 12:00, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

Your userpage indicates that you are being paid by Wicht to write the article, so please don't expect help from us to do your job. Familiarize yourself with WP:PAID and the feedback already provided at the draft. Putting your three best sources forward would help, since at a glance the present ones don't seem valid. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 13:04, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Karin, and welcome to the Teahouse. Have you read your first article? or BACKWARDS? Nothing written or published by Wicht or FilmAfrika, or based on press releases or interviews, is relevant to getting the draft approved. And references like your #3, which doesn't even mention Wicht, serve no end at all.

As for the "producers with less clout", please see OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. It may be that those articles are written more conformant with Wikipedia's policies; or it may be that they ought to be rewritten or deleted but nobody's got round to it yet.

The way you refer to them suggests that you, like many people, have the misconception that a Wikipedia article is in some way for the benefit of its subject. As far as Wikipedia is concerned, it is not, in any degree whatever. Of course the subjects of many articles get some benefit from the existence of the article (and some definitely do not). But that is incidental, and no part of Wikipedia's purpose. See WP:PROUD. ColinFine (talk) 13:10, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

Editing in a specific language

Hi all,

I wonder how can i choose to edit pages in one language only (ex. only in french or only in greek, etc)

TIA TheGreekEditor2023 (talk) 12:17, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello, TheGreekEditor, and welcome to the Teahouse of the English Wikipedia. If you want to edit pages in French, you need to go to the French Wikipedia, which is a separate project. If you want to edit pages in Greek, you need to go to the Greek Wikipedia, which is yet another project. ColinFine (talk) 12:30, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

Need assistance in verifying these sources

Hi everyone!

I need your help. I'm considering creating a page about Celeris Therapeutics GmbH. To ensure I have the right sources, I was wondering if you could verify these sources for me:

• https://www.trendingtopics.eu/celeris-therapeutics-einstieg-von-apex-ventures-leitet-grosse-seed-runde-ein/
• https://www.trendingtopics.eu/celeris-finanzierungsrunde-2022/
• https://brutkasten.com/artikel/celeris-foerderung-aws
• https://www.inibio.eu/inibiotech-fund-invests-eur1million-in-celeris-therapeutics
• https://www.bmaw.gv.at/Presse/Archiv/2022/Oktober-2022/EIC-Accelerator.html
• https://www.ots.at/presseaussendung/OTS_20221019_OTS0038/vier-oesterreichische-unternehmen-erhalten-wichtige-europaeische-innovations-foerderung
• https://app.dealroom.co/companies/celeris_therapeutics
• https://www.ffg.at/news/eic-accelerator-von-horizon-europe-26-mio-euro-fuer-hochinnovative-start-ups
• https://www.kleinezeitung.at/wirtschaft/6206042/20-Millionen-Euro-Kapital_Steirisches-Startup-Celeris-sagt
• https://www.aws.at/service/cases/gefoerderte-projekte-auswahl/deeptech/seedfinancing/2021/celeris-therapeutics/
• https://www.eif.org/what_we_do/equity/Case_studies/celeris-austria.htm
• https://eic.ec.europa.eu/system/files/2022-10/Seleceted%20companies%20-%20EIC%20Accelerator%2015%20June%20cut-off%20corrected.pdf
• https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/startups/celeristx-drug-discovery-for-incurable-diseases-with-ml-on-aws/
• https://biotechaustria.org/en/verband/
• https://www.sfg.at/innovationspreis-steiermark/wirtschaftspreis-des-landes-steiermark-sieger/
• https://transkript.de/start-up-der-woche/start-up-der-woche-detail.html?tx_news_pi1%5Bnews%5D=8340&cHash=222b7bcb8d240a38ce2200ce5444b067

I hope this isn't too much to ask. By the way, I've found a similar article about the Austrian Centre of Industrial Biotechnology. It has only three references, including a dead link, but it has been active since 2020. I'm wondering if creating a page about Celeris would have a chance of approval. I hope someone can provide some insights here. Thank you.Laurenceuuu (talk) 13:58, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

Laurenceuuu It is too much to ask. Use WP:YFA to draft an article, including what you consider important, properly formated references, per standards described at WP:42. David notMD (talk) 14:12, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

@Laurenceuuu Are any of these sources something other than routine attempts at getting funding and doing what start-ups usually do? Articles on companies have to meet WP:NCORP guidelines, which this company might do if we can be convinced it will "design drugs for incurable diseases", as one source claims, rather optimistically given that if a disease really is incurable, drugs won't help! Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:59, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

Given that the company was founded in 2020 and has fewer than 25 employees and no products, my opinion is that WP:TOOSOON is relevant. David notMD (talk) 15:33, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

Unfortunately I don't think those sources will pass Wikipedia's threshold for notability, Laurenceuuu. If you want to narrow it down to your three best sources, I can explain what the issues are. And as David points out, the company is fairly new. Perhaps they will get more secondary coverage in the future. Regards, Rjjⁱⁱⁱ(talk) 03:52, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

Draft in review

Hello, i was wondering if during the reviewing of the draft if reviewers will correct some things if not written well or if i can ask here if someone could read it and make changes if needed? Draft:Burning Men# Veganpurplefox (talk) 21:39, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

Veganpurplefox Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I've fixed your link to a standard internal link so that everyone can read it in their preferred version of Wikipedia(mobile or desktop). Reviewers are able to edit drafts, but are under no obligation to; typically they give advice, as there are many drafts awaiting review and they don't have time to edit all of them. 331dot (talk) 21:50, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

I see, thanks Veganpurplefox (talk) 21:54, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

The first sentence has a word missing, after "2019". Maproom (talk) 22:24, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

fixed it, thank you! Veganpurplefox (talk) 22:27, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

Veganpurplefox, I suppose that by "Reccuring" you meant "Recurring"; but I don't know what you mean by "Recurring". And perhaps you instead meant something else. Also, what's "a person camera point of view"? -- Hoary (talk) 22:34, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

Recurring means the characters that aren't main characters but appears a lot, is it the same thing as secondary characters? And a person camera point of view is a way that when filming they put a camera into the actors face so they can see what they see and it is moving like an actual person Veganpurplefox (talk) 22:38, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

here a video making the film that could expalin the point of view :https://twitter.com/BurningMenFilm/status/1142399638735138817?s=20 Veganpurplefox (talk) 22:41, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

Veganpurplefox, for "the actors have a camera into their faces so viewers see what they see and the images are moving as if the actors really move", perhaps "the actor has a forward-pointing camera mounted on a helmet so viewers share their moving point of view"; although I'm pretty sure that editors more conversant with video than I am (and there are many such editors) will come up with wording that's far better. -- Hoary (talk) 23:43, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

I will fix that Veganpurplefox (talk) 23:45, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

ah I see, I didn't know it was only 1 c and 2 r for recurring, so I'll fix the reccuring word. Does both words have different meaning? Veganpurplefox (talk) 23:04, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

Veganpurplefox, you have a list of "Cast". This is divided into "Main" and "Recurring". I understand "main cast". I don't understand "recurring cast". (A simple solution might be removal of the subheaders "Main" and "Recurring".) -- Hoary (talk) 23:32, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

it is used in multiple tv series main and recurring so I'm not sure to understand what you don't understand? Veganpurplefox (talk) 23:41, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

For example: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camelot_(TV_series) same as Will (TV series) Veganpurplefox (talk) 23:43, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

I know even less about TV than I know about film, but I presume that in the context of a TV serial a "recurring" character is one whose appearance recurs in episode after episode. (This needn't be incompatible with "main". in The Virginian, James Drury and Doug McClure played major characters who appeared in episode after episode. They weren't "guest stars".) Burning Men isn't a serial, so there's no recurrence (or anyway there's no recurrence as I understand the word). -- Hoary (talk) 23:51, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

Ah i see what you mean, i see the difference between the series and films, i thought it was written the same way, i will remove the main and recurring sections so its only into one Veganpurplefox (talk) 23:55, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

is the vague term on person point of view be removed now or I let it there till someone else either find something better for it? Veganpurplefox (talk) 00:00, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

@Veganpurplefox: Our article for that filming technique is Point-of-view shot. Perhaps a perusal of the article will help you refine your wording. Deor (talk) 14:51, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

Thank you, i worded it ,hope it isnt vague now, can i have comfirm so i can remove the vague? Veganpurplefox (talk) 14:56, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

Adding my pictures

Hello, I have taken a few pics of Sidney Sussex College (Cambridge) from my iPhone however, I just can not seem to upload them and continue to get error message; even though these are my pics. Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks, Sahib Warne23 (talk) 00:05, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

Warne23, you should be uploading them to Commons, not here. And then if you have a problem, you should ask about it at Commons, not here, Still, as you've started here, you could say here exactly what the error message at Commons was/is. (Without knowing what the message was, it's impossible to give advice.) -- Hoary (talk) 01:48, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

@Hoary I am just following the Wikipedia guidance for the new editors - “Teahouse – Ask basic questions about using or editing Wikipedia. “

appreciate you trying to help , here’s the error message - “ An automated filter has identified this edit as potentially unconstructive, and it has been disallowed. If this edit is constructive, please report this error.”

Thanks! Warne23 (talk) 03:31, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello Warne23, you're doing things right. It's not uncommon to ask a question here and then get pointed to a better place to ask. You'll get quick answers here, but sometimes it is better to go where people are more experienced or the question is most relevant.

Are you getting that "automated filter" message trying to upload the image on Wikipedia or at Wikimedia Commons? The help page for the Commons is here: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Help_desk You should be able to log in with your Wikipedia username and click the blue "Ask your question" button. Answers may come a little slower over there. One last note, is that you will need to choose a free content license for uploads to the Commons. Good luck, Rjjⁱⁱⁱ(talk) 03:47, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

Thanks @Rjjiii Warne23 (talk) 04:16, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

Warne23, that's a reasonable criticism of my response. It would have been better if I'd written something like "it would be better if you uploaded them to Commons, rather than here". Sorry about that. Wording aside, I stand by the substance. If you ask at commons:Commons:Help desk then your question is likely to be read by people who know the kind of thing that leads the relevant algorithm to conclude "potentially unconstructive". (If you're new to Commons, you'll have to log in there. Do so under the username Warne23 and with whatever password you use for this here. Signing up then won't be needed, and confusion will be avoided.) -- Hoary (talk) 07:08, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

Preview Icons

How can we add custom preview Icons on television series posts.

For example, if I am viewing India's Got Talent (season 9) then at its bottom IGT 10 page shortcut link image is my concern. Harshvardhan 1427 (talk) 01:08, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello Harshvardhan 1427, by "preview Icons" do you mean the image used in the search bar and popup/hover text when you hold your mouse over a link? That is created from the first freely licensed image in article automatically. Or do you mean something else? Rjjⁱⁱⁱ(talk) 03:41, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

When you scroll down to bottom of a page, whatever image you see in 3 articles, I am talking about that. Harshvardhan 1427 (talk) 00:22, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

tool to automatically format a reference

Is there a tool that can take an URL as my source and automatically output a html formatted reference in Wikipedia's style? rootsmusic (talk) 04:12, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello rootsmusic, yes, there are a few options. This is probably a good moment to ask as Headbomb recently did an article on the various automated options here: Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2023-08-01/Tips and tricks Rjjⁱⁱⁱ(talk) 04:23, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

Be sure to double check the output of the automated referencing tools if using a URL as input. The citations they create are always properly formatted but often incomplete, and sometimes only partially correct. Folly Mox (talk) 04:26, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

@Rootsmusic, see Referencing at WP:TUTORIAL. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:13, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

@Rootsmusic: WP:reFill will do that for you. Mathglot (talk) 08:56, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

@Mathglot Unless I misunderstand Wikipedia:ReFill's usage, it works on existing "bare URLs" in article references. My question is for use by contributors when adding a reference to an article. rootsmusic (talk) 16:27, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

@Rootsmusic:, If you mean you want to add a fully formatted reference while only making one edit to the article. then you're right. Visual Editor can do that, but that ends up being more clicks than saving your bare url, and then invoking Refill. Plus, you can add many bareurls in your first edit, and on your second edit, Refill will fix all of them. That ends up with your name in the edit history twice, and if you don't want that for some reason, you'll have to use one of the other options. Mathglot (talk) 17:08, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

Disambiguating biographical articles

Hi, I'm currently writing an article on the Princeton Slavist Charles E. Townsend. Since there is already an article for another Charles E. Townsend, a US lawyer and politican, I need to choose an alternative title. Do I:
1) Leave the first Charles E. Townsend as is; use the full middle name in new article title.
2) Leave the first Charles E. Townsend as is; use a descriptive title like Charles E. Townsend (linguist) for the new article title.
2) Rename both to include the full middle names: Charles Elroy Townsend for the politican (already exists as a redirect) vs Charles Edward Townsend for the Slavicist?
3) Rename both to a descriptive title (e.g. Charles E. Townsend (politician) vs Charles E. Townsend (linguist)). This seems to be mainly what has been done for other similar articles at the Charles Townsend disambiguation page.

Option 1 and 2 seem inconsistent. Option 3 and 4 involve fixing all the redirects. Is there a quick way to do that? Helrasincke (talk) 09:15, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Helrasincke, and welcome to the Teahouse. The answer depends on whether one of them is the primary topic, and if so which. Please see WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. ColinFine (talk) 09:34, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

User:Helrasincke, if you do determine that politician Charles is not the primary topic, and need to change hundreds of incoming links to a disambiguated title, you can request an AutoWikiBrowser run, and someone with the appropriate permissions will be able to perform the task with an amount of automation. Folly Mox (talk) 12:09, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

PROD redirect issue

I recently came across Kerala Super League and decided to PROD it. I did it with Twinkle. But looks like the talk page of Talk:Kerala Super League seems to be redirected to Talk:KCA President's Cup T20 and twinkle has placed the {{Old prod}} tag on the talk page of KCA President's Cup T20. Should I proceed to remove the {{Old prod}} tag from the talk page of KCA President's Cup T20? And how do I place it on Talk:Kerala Super League? Thanks <3 Jeraxmoira (talk) 09:22, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

User:Jeraxmoira, more experienced editors are welcome to correct me, but I don't think {{Old prod}} is ever supposed to be removed. Given that Talk:Kerala Super League still redirects to Talk:KCA President's Cup T20 and you believe Kerala Super League is suitable for proposed deletion, a reasonable course of action might be just to turn it back into a redirect to KCA President's Cup T20, since a redirect would probably still be appropriate at the title even if the content isn't. Folly Mox (talk) 12:30, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

If you decide to continue with the PROD process, you should remove the old prod from Talk:KCA President's Cup T20 and replace the REDIRECT wikitext at Talk:Kerala Super League with the old prod template. You could also go with a blank and redirect per Folly Mox. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 12:40, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

I just checked the edit history and it almost only has sock user actions throughout. I'll just go with the PROD process, remove the redirect and replace it with {{Old prod}}. Feel free to make a redirect if anyone thinks otherwise. Thanks for the help Folly Mox, Firefangledfeathers <3 Jeraxmoira (talk) 12:51, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

ARBCOM elections conducted by votes

Why are votes used in Arbitration Committee elections? Looking at their history page, it seems that the elections have always been conducted via voting. Is there a reason why we don't have WP:RFA style elections instead? Ca ^{talk to me!} 10:00, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

I assume that it is because we actually want ArbCom members and so have to choose from among the candidates. The community already has admins and could in principle go on refusing to add any new editor who was nominated, especially since occasionally a few "no" comments can sway the outcome. Incidentally, if you wish to suggest changes to how the next ArbCom election is run, you can do so by making a proposal at the RfC at WP:ACERFC2023 Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:33, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

User:Ca, Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2021 review/Proposals#Closed: 8B Admin elections is the most recent discussion about ballot-style RfA, if you're interested in seeing why it didn't reach consensus. Folly Mox (talk) 12:17, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

I just realised I read your question in reverse, and Mike Turnbull had supplied the entire answer. Apologies for the confusion. Folly Mox (talk) 12:33, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

Please, upload this poster

In some countries, Zack Snyder's Justice League was released in cinemas and this is the poster with billing block. Please ,upload it in the page.[1]https://drive.google.com/file/d/1_u8_fQTldgAB8OcoCtczDoJNFc_s0AgE/view?usp=sharing 190.21.184.246 (talk) 11:21, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

IP editor. There is already a B&W version of that poster uploaded as WP:NONFREE content for the article. There is no need for your version and you may well be infringing the copyright just by sharing a link to it as you did here. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:38, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

You can suggest this at Talk:Zack Snyder's Justice League. The suggestion will probably be rejected, for the reason given by Mike Turnbull. (Perhaps relevantly, this article seems to already have a rich history of junk edits.) -- Hoary (talk) 12:13, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

Speedy deletion

Please I created an article innovation Support Network and it was marked for speedy deletion,can I revised to the older version to remove infringement Akwugo (talk) 11:37, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

@Akwugo I assume it was deleted for either copyright infringement or for being too promotional. You can't get it back if the former but if the latter the process at WP:REFUND may be used. However, I would advise you to start again after reading WP:BACKWARD. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:41, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

Apologies for posting twice,I was tensed and thanks for the response,it has not been deleted though Akwugo (talk) 12:00, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

@Akwugo You'll need to go immediately to the Innovation Support Network and copy out the source code to save it on your own computer, since speedy deletion can happen very quickly! Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:20, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

The SD was for copyright infringement, so expect it to disappear very soon, despite your efforts to remove what you have tentatively identified as the infringement problem. Your recourse is to start over, paraphrasing content from your references versus copy/paste. David notMD (talk) 12:28, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

I am on it right now, thanks so much for your kind Responses Akwugo (talk) 12:29, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

CSS style question

Resolved

 – QuickQuokka ^{[⁠talk • contribs]} 18:20, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello!

This is not a Wikipedia specific question, but one of MediaWiki and CSS markup.

I want to redo my whole user page on Commons, so I made something on the Public Test Wiki, (not associated with Wikimedia) mostly because I have access to Special:ChangeContentModel on there. Here's the CSS for the page

Why is the heading not in a serif font? I set

.quokkaContent .mw-headline{
    /* ... */
	font-family: 'Georgia', serif !important;
}

and all the other properties for .quokkaContent .mw-headline are working properly, except for font-family. Why? QuickQuokka ^{[⁠talk • contribs]} 12:44, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

Since this is not about using Wikipedia, I suggest you repost this at Wikipedia:Reference desk/Computing. While you are doing that, upload a screenshot and tell us what's wrong with it - it looks OK to me. -- Verbarson  ^talk_edits 13:57, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

@Verbarson: The problem is in the "About me" section header. It's supposed to look like this serif text, but it looks like the rest of the page with the sans-serif font, even though I set it to be serif. QuickQuokka ^{[⁠talk • contribs]} 14:10, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

Using Chrome, Edge and Firefox on Windows, and Chrome on Android, in every case the 'About me' is in a bold serif font that seems to be Times New Roman. The Firefox diagnostic (F12) suggests that the selection of Georgia is overridden by inheritance from h2. -- Verbarson  ^talk_edits 15:48, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

Creating pages for organizations/people we work with

Dear friends, I welcome your advice. I run a nonprofit that works with climate and environmental justice organizations. Many of the people we work with are national leaders, represented on federal committees and getting substantial media attention for their work. However, they often lack proper representation, e.g. on wikipedia, because they and their organizations may be poor and no-one is ensuring that their contribution to society is recognized. We would like to help them, but we also recognize that we may have a conflict of interest. They don't pay to become members of our organization, but we are paid by philanthropic foundations for our work with them. How should we approach this? Note - this question is more about dealing with conflicts of interest versus the nature of the information that we might share about them, although all thoughts and wisdom is welcomed. HarrietFest (talk) 13:14, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

@HarrietFest Welcome to the Teahouse. There is a lot to go into here. You should do a lot of reading around Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Some of the key ones for you are how to handle your conflict of interest and that Wikipedia is not to be used for promotion. However, the good news is that if the people you want to write about are "getting substantial media attention" then you should have plenty of sources on which to base draft articles. The best sources are ones which meet all of these criteria: particularly that rules out things based on interviews and press releases. basic guidance as to the "how" is at WP:YFA and you should use the WP:AfC process to create drafts that will be looked at by experienced editors. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:29, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

Terrific, thank you. HarrietFest (talk) 13:42, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

my page is not accepted

Hello, the page I've prepared has been deleted twice. Despite adhering to all the rules, not including advertisements, providing complete and detailed sources, it keeps getting deleted for these reasons and possibly others. I need to write and publish the page. What should I do? Rojhan Kuyumcu (talk) 13:36, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

Courtesy link Draft:James Van Patten your draft has been deleted three times, firstly it was created by a banned or blocked user (Kileyburk), second time for Unambiguous advertising or promotion and unambiguous copyright infringement and thirdly unambiguous advertising or promotion: self written vanity page. Why do you "need" to publish this page? Theroadislong (talk) 13:44, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

Coz, UPE. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 14:29, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

@Rojhan Kuyumcu You were not adhering to all the rules if you based large parts of your draft on copyrighted material. I suggest you carefully read WP:YFA and this advice before creating a new draft. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:49, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Rojhan Kuyumcu. Like nearly everybody who p;lunges straight into creating an article as soon as they start editing Wikipedia, you are having a frustrating experience, because you don't yet understand enough about Wikipedia to make it work.

My advice is to leave Van Patten aside for a few weeks or months, while you make improvements to existing Wikipedia articles, and learn how the whole thing works.

Then read the links Mike has given you.

Of course, if you are an undisclosed paid editor, as various people suspect, you probably can't do that. If that is the case, you will continue to be doing paid work that you are not yet competent to do. ColinFine (talk) 14:36, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

Rojhan Kuyumcu, your Draft:James Van Patten is a very long way from being acceptable as an article. It cites no sources at all, making its entire contents worthless. Please read Help:Referencing for beginners and WP:BACKWARD.   Maproom (talk) 17:08, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

No need to keep replying. The OP is blocked. ~Anachronist (talk) 19:58, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

LGBT parenting

Are there too many inline citations on this Wikipedia article? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_parenting 2A00:23C5:F405:2001:3CA3:859D:677B:BDBC (talk) 16:38, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

Is there to many citations?

Are there too many inline citations on this Wikipedia article? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_parenting Are there too many inline citations in the "Sub-processes within fast carbon cycle" of this Wikipedia article? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_cycle Are there too many inline citations in this article? 2A00:23C5:F405:2001:3CA3:859D:677B:BDBC (talk) 17:07, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

Comment consider the above comment by this IP, this feels like some LLM shenanigans. Googleguy007 (talk) 17:14, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

I'm going to assume good faith and point out to the IP that we do have guidance on this at WP:OVERCITE. Suggestions to improve any article (such as by removing excess citations) can be made on its Talk Page, e.g. Talk:Carbon cycle. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:16, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello IP user and welcome to the teahouse. From the first glance, the first article is indeed suffering from Wikipedia:Citation overkill, especially in the second paragraph of the lede and the first two paragraphs of the "Forms" section.

However, the problem of citation overkill is less obvious in the second article you mentioned. I think it certainly happens in the "Types of dynamics" section.

That being said, I encourage you to bring these concerns up in the talk pages of these articles. Also, please be mindful to not post repeated questions at the teahouse. Cheers, -- TheLonelyPather (talk) 17:17, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for responding. I agree with the points. Should I remove some unnecessary citations or first bring up concerns in the talk page? sorry for repeating question, I just meant to add the second article.

Do I need to talk on talk page about edits or just be bold like it says?

What is LLM shenanigans?

Thanks! 2A00:23C5:F405:2001:3CA3:859D:677B:BDBC (talk) 17:32, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

See WP:LLM. Shantavira|^{feed me} 18:55, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello IP address,

You are very welcome. I suggest that you bring up the concerns in the talk page first. Cluttered citations may be signs of an edit-war, and we sure do not wish to provoke another. Cheers, -- TheLonelyPather (talk) 22:22, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

Hi! I've added a section on the talk page. Let's see what happens now.

Thank you for your help. 2A00:23C5:F405:2001:B814:5B78:8694:748F (talk) 09:44, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

Embed an infobox inside another

I'm struggling to embed infoboxes into one another. Rather than appear as a new section of the original infobox, which seems to be the desired layout, the secondary infobox shows up within a smaller frame, slightly off center to the right. Are there infoboxes that can't be embedded or accept embedded infoboxes? Thanks.

City Sports Complex
General information
Address	1 Northern Avenue
Inaugurated	2000
Central Arena Address 2 Main Street Capacity 3,000

Redacwiki (talk) 17:45, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Redacwiki, and welcome to the Teahouse. Please see WP:IEmbed. ColinFine (talk) 21:50, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

Image romoved

Hello, i had my Draft:Burning Men image removed while there was rights to use it as you can see: https://twitter.com/JeremyWooding/status/1698762410499178600?s=20 Veganpurplefox (talk) 18:58, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

@Veganpurplefox See WP:GID Subariba (talk) 19:35, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

so I could just add this to be okay with publishing:Attribution-ShareAlike

? Veganpurplefox (talk) 19:41, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

@Veganpurplefox: Not unless the photographer has explicitly stated that the photo is released under that license. Saying "cool, use what you want" isn't sufficient. The declaration needs to be more official than that, and sent to the Wikimedia Foundation; see WP:CONSENT for an example template. ~Anachronist (talk) 19:55, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

would this message work?: "I own the rights to my headshot images so can give you permission to use them - if we can credit Michael Shelford that would be great" Veganpurplefox (talk) 20:00, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

No. "Permission to use them" is not enough. See WP:DCM. ColinFine (talk) 21:53, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

I see, I have reached out to her and explain what she needs to do and send the email to the wikimedia commons Veganpurplefox (talk) 21:55, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

Mini modding?

Is it alright for users who are not administrators to use user warning templates? Specifically the ones regarding vandalism? Subariba (talk) 20:07, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

@Subariba: Yes, that is ok. RudolfRed (talk) 20:10, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

Subariba Yes it is. However, they should know what "vandalism" does and doesn't mean: reading, understanding, and bearing in mind the two paragraphs starting "On Wikipedia, vandalism has a very specific meaning" that appear near the top of Wikipedia:Vandalism. -- Hoary (talk) 21:43, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

Gary Feldman

Why was my edit of the Wikipedia page "Irwin Sobel" (I am that Irwin Sobel) rejected when I attempted to correct a reference to "Gary Feldman" that was pointed at the wrong Gary Feldman. I also attempted unsuccessfully to create a Wikipedia Stub page for the correct Gary Feldman. Link to "Irwin Sobel" page in question: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irwin_Sobel

Since I tried again today to edit "my" Wikipedia page (by replacing the link to Gary Feldman to a non-link name: "Gary Michael Feldman, M.D.") and was blocked from "editing Wikipedia" from my cellphone (which was on a Google 1 VPN for security reasons) I am sending this from my "Fedora 38 Workstation". Can someone advise me how to get this mess fixed up? I'd like a reply specifically to this Visual Editor message. Thank you. Irwin (Edward) Sobel IrwinSobel (talk) 21:40, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

I am puzzled. IrwinSobel, when you wrote the above, the article Irwin Sobel hadn't been edited since June ; and has never been edited by you. Some people might argue that you shouldn't edit an article about yourself, even when it's about such a clearcut issue; but I don't thing anyone would ban you for that. Maproom (talk) 21:58, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello, IrwinSobel.

I have delinked Gary Feldman from the article about you. If it seems likely that he meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability, so that there could be an article about him, that could be turned into a redlink, with a suitable disambiguator such as "Gary Feldman (mathematician)" or whatever expression is appropriate.

Please note that you are very strongly discouraged from making any edits at all to Irwin Sobel, but should instead make edit request on the talk page. ColinFine (talk) 22:03, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

Thank you ColinFine. I will follow your suggestion in the future. It was helpful. IrwinSobel (talk) 23:59, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

I have retitled this thread more informatively, I hope not misleadingly.

This is complex. Here is an unexplained edit (of March '22) changing Gary Feldman to Jacob Cairncross. Here is your edit (of May '22) changing this back.

"Gary Michael Feldman, M.D.", however correct, is very odd as the title of an article. Start by dropping the "M.D.". If Feldman is less often referred to as "Gary Feldman" than as "Gary Michael Feldman" or "Gary M. Feldman", then one or other of the latter names can be used. Otherwise we normally use a very simple description: "Gary Feldman (architect)", "Gary Feldman (politician)" or whatever.

Imagining for a moment that he was/is an architect, then the best thing to do would be to create Draft:Gary Feldman (architect), submit this as a candidate article, and, when it's accepted, link instances of "Gary Feldman" to the new article.

Incidentally, to make the template on your user page work, add one more "}" to it. -- Hoary (talk) 22:05, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

• Note that it's now intended to delete and redirect Irwin Sobel anyway. See Talk:Sobel_operator#Merge_proposal Andy Dingley (talk) 22:53, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

what is a redirect?

I attempted to edit my work and saw a notice that the page was redirected. In simple language, what does this mean and how do I respond? What action did I do to result in this?

When I click on the greyed-out draft name, a dialogue box appears with the following options for Page settings

• Redirect this page to (selected) - why would I want this option?

• Prevent this redirect from being updated when target page is moved.

• Show the Table of Contents (Always, If needed, Never) - "If needed" is already selected - what is the consequence of accepting this?

• Disable the edit links next to each heading on this page.

• This is a disambiguation page

Sorry to be such a dunce about this! Co1umbus (talk) 23:08, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

Which page were you looking at? If it's Carol A. Mullen then that's at Draft:Carol A. Mullen, because it's an as-yet unpublished draft. Andy Dingley (talk) 23:55, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

Co1umbus, I see that in Draft:Carol A. Mullen all the citation links are fakes, the numbers in square brackets don't link to anything. You need to read Help:Referencing for beginners.   Maproom (talk) 07:04, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

@Co1umbus You started that draft on Mullen in your sandbox at User:Co1umbus/sandbox. When you moved it to draft space, the software left the redirect in its place. Assuming you wish to use your sandbox now for something else, you need to go and edit it to remove the redirect and replace it with anything else you like. This link will take you there. Use "edit" in the normal way to change what's currently in the sandbox. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:38, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

Google 25th anniversary and how to edit this article

Hello, I am new editor of Wikipedia and I trying to edit in this article. Since is currently semi-protected indefinitely due to Vandalism, the article's talk page has also been semi-protected. I am here to recommend to edit anything in Wikipedia, in this IP address. Since I was blocked in several times and once the block expires, I want to make useful contributions. I noticed that CEO Sergey Brin and Larry Page created this company on September 4, 1998. If created an account, I recommended to read per WP:SOCK is to use one account and one preson, also read WP:USERNAME to choose in new username that keep I very happy and not abusing multiple accounts, I'm so excited to see that Wikipedia will continue forever to see what happens. Can anybody help me if I created account in the near futures and if just to edit useful contributions and don't delete your account and if in doubt, just abandoned and make new accounts per WP:ACCOUNT now? Also, please see WP:PAG, WP:WWIN, WP:AUTOBIOGRAPHIES and WP:BLOCKING. Thanks. 2402:800:63B0:4EBD:CEA:1784:B5BE:D337 (talk) 23:45, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

If you currently have an account that is blocked, you may not edit until the block is lifted. The block applies to you as a person and not just to one specfic account. Go to the talk page of the blocked account and there should be instructions there regarding your block. RudolfRed (talk) 01:23, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

Thanks. I'm sure I not blocked if I understand after reviewing Guide to appealing blocks. Also, I see there are over 1,174 billions edits in English Wikipedia, over 6,710 millions articles and 118,343 recent contributors with making 1 edits during last month. See Wikipedia:Wikipedians for more details and go to Help:Introduction to get started edit in English Wikipedia, that was not shutdown indefinitely. 2402:800:63B0:4EBD:CEA:1784:B5BE:D337 (talk) 03:03, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

Here are the links here: [2] with a list of recent changes to Wikipedia. Thanks, 2402:800:63B0:4EBD:CEA:1784:B5BE:D337 (talk) 03:08, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

IP editor – if this is not just chatbot-generated nonsense, then I have to tell you that you are not making much sense. It is not clear what question you are asking, or even if you are asking a question at all. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 51.194.81.165 (talk) 13:27, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

I need to know...

If it's possible to create a song using the MIDI format as shown in WP:MIDI. All I need to know is how to convert a note to a whole, half, eighth, tied, etc. And if it's possible to change a note's pitch an octave higher or lower, and to sharpen/flat the note. I wanted to test it out in my sandbox, but I just need to know if any of the things listed are possible. Thanks, 🄼🄾🄳 🄲🅁🄴🄰🅃🄾🅁 (talk) 23:57, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Mod creator, and welcome to the Teahouse, I'm not sure what you're asking. The section you link to mentions various pieces of software you can use to create midi files. Are you asking about the score extensions? If so, then it also links to mw:Extension:Score, which should answer your questions. ColinFine (talk) 10:44, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

By the way, I find your signature hard to read. ColinFine (talk) 10:45, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

Demiboy and Demigirl

Hi people I need your help with making Demiboy and Demigirl Demiboy609 (talk) 02:21, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Draft:Deimboy_and_Deimgirl

@Demiboy609: Based on the draft review comments, you need more references. WP:REFB is a good resource and also WP:N RudolfRed (talk) 02:30, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

Demiboy609 Fix spelling throughout. Demiboy and demigirl, not deimboy and deimgirl. David notMD (talk) 07:39, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

Active editors in subject-areas list

If I remember correctly, there was a list somewhere that had every user who had made recently a certain amount of edits in different WikiProject areas - can anyone find this for me, or am I just not remembering things right? BeanieFan11 (talk) 02:27, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

@BeanieFan11 You may find WP:EDITS close to what you remembered. At the foot in the "See also" section there is a link to this page which is exactly what you are looking for but is currently defunct. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:17, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

Where Might I Ask For Writing Help?

I desire to revisit the 1924 United States presidential election that I had worked on in the far past, and I can dig up plenty of information rather easily with key points, but I have not been effectively able to formulate that information into something proper for the article. Is there are place where I can find prospective writers for said article? In the past I would inquire WikiProject United States presidential elections, but that is largely dead now it seems; I've made a number of inquiries with other WikiProjects or Users, but I haven't had any luck finding a collaborator. While I could certainly continue to expand the database of newspaper sources I've linked to on its Talk Page, its getting harder to do so with no one making use of it. I'm not sure if there is any official place to ask for a collaborator on an article, at least beyond hoping someone picks up on the article's Talk Page, but I figured the Teahouse might have better ideas on where I could do so. Ariostos (talk) 02:50, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

Beyond an article's talk page, Ariostos, or the talk page of a relevant "WikiProject" (if this isn't moribund or worse), there is no particular place to ask. I suggest that you make modest starts to improving the article 1924 United States presidential election yourself. As long as they cite reliable sources, represent these sources fairly, remain neutral, and don't add mere trivia [but let's forgo an unabridged list] and all in all clearly are improvements to an article, unpolished edits are welcome and are likely to be noticed and improved on by editors qualified to do so. -- Hoary (talk) 07:21, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

Based on your OP, I'm guessing you've tried Wikipedia:WikiProject United States, Wikipedia:WikiProject Politics and Wikipedia:WikiProject Politics/American politics as well. "No luck" is unfortunately fairly common, millions of WP-articles and ten of thousands of active editors, with a broad definition of "active". Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:33, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

Unresponsive editor

How does one deal with an editor who keeps restoring their preferred version of content, which contradicts reliable sources, and refuses to provide any argumentation in support of their position? 93.72.49.123 (talk) 04:55, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

From what I can see of your particular dispute, they are not restoring a preferred version but rather simply enforcing the sanctions related to the Russo-Ukrainian war, under which non-extended-confirmed users may not edit in areas related to the topic, regardless of whether the edit is constructive. There is nothing you can do to continue making these changes, as they are simply not permitted. If you would like to edit in these areas in the future, consider creating an account so that you may eventually gain the required permissions. Tollens (talk) 05:25, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

"regardless of whether the edit is constructive" - what a joke. Guess P:CE readers would have to suck it up and leave away misinformed because some busybody wants to second-guess reliable sources and enforce pointless rules against common sense. After all, what do those retards at the Cuban Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Reuters know? 93.72.49.123 (talk) 05:38, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

No opinion on the content, but your problem seems easy to fix. You could create an account and become extended-confirmed. Or, you could ask an extended-confirmed user to make the changes you wish to see. Pecopteris (talk) 05:42, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

IP editor, if you call anyone a "retard" again, even if it is joking or sarcastic, you will be blocked. I hope that's clear, and that you now understand that you are not permitted to edit in any way regarding the war between Russia and Ukraine. You know exactly how to gain that user right. Cullen328 (talk) 08:48, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

Undisclosed COI

I came across a page here that was written by a person who works there - so a clear COI. They didn't declare anything. But the page isn't promotional. It was created in November 2021 by AFC. Nothing to see here? Just ignore it? Or should some action be taken? If so, what. Whitemancanjump23 (talk) 06:36, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

Which article? David notMD (talk) 07:55, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

If you want me to name them I will but I was thinking I should be discrete. Or is there no need to do so? Whitemancanjump23 (talk) 08:04, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

Hi Whitemancanjump23. There's a difference between an "undisclosed COI" and "undeclared paid editing", with the latter being a violation of the Wikimedia Foundation's Terms of Use. While users are strongly encourage to be as transparent about any conflict of interest they may have with respect to content they're creating or editing on Wikipedia and COI editing is highly discouraged, it's not prohbitted per se and disclosing such a thing isn't mandatory. WP:COI is a guideline and COI editors are highly encouraged to follow it because it can help them avoid running into problems, but it's not policy in the sense that compliance is mandatory. Undeclared paid editing, however, is (as previously stated) a serious violation of Wikipedia policy and paid editors are required to make a proper disclosure per WP:PAID. If you just suspect this to be a case of simple COI in which the user in question is acting in good faith and is not otherwise violating any other Wikipedia policy, then you can (if you want) just leave them be or at most may be suggest that they declare their COI by posting something on their user talk page. If, however, you feel this person is somehow violating Wikipedia policy in some serious way, you could post something at WP:ANI or try email per WP:PAID#Reporting undisclosed paid editors. What you want to avoid doing is to start trying to connect the dots between someone's Wikipedia identity and their real world identity as explained in WP:OUTING. You can provide the names of articles that you think might be impacted by this non-disclosure and even the user names of those who are involved, but you shouldn't reveal anything more than the other person has already revealed themselves through their Wikipedia edits. It's best to use email personally identifying information unless the user has posted it themselves somewhere on Wikipedia. -- Marchjuly (talk) 08:22, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

Hi Marchjuly The editor in question did 11 random edits and then created the page via AFC. They haven't edited any other page since, including this one. They work for the company in question but I think this is undisclosed COI as opposed to UPE. But like I said, I don't think the page is problematic. What I'm thinking is to just let it be but keep a page on the editor's activity and edits to the page. If I see anything untoward, I will flag it. Ok? Whitemancanjump23 (talk) 08:30, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

If they work for the company, they are a paid editor. There doesn't need to be specific payment for edits. 331dot (talk) 08:32, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

Ok they're a paid editor. How should I proceed? Do you want me to email you the name of the page? Whitemancanjump23 (talk) 08:41, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

You may if you don't wish to publicly reveal that it was you who came across it. You may also email via the address given on the page provided by Marchjuly above if you want to be more general about it. 331dot (talk) 08:45, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

I prefer to email MarchJuly or yourself about it as you have some context and then I will leave it in your hands. If you decide to do nothing, I'm ok with that.How do I email one of you? I couldn't see an address. Whitemancanjump23 (talk) 08:49, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

Whitemancanjump23, both editors have the "Email this user" function enabled on their user pages. I suggest that you use the desktop site in case you are using an app or the mobile site, which lacks full functionality. Cullen328 (talk) 08:56, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

Thank you! I was looking for that but in the wrong place. Whitemancanjump23 (talk) 08:59, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

@Whitemancanjump23 and Cullen328: You may also go to the special page Special:EmailUser and input the recipient user name there. Then the form opens, where you type your message. You may also go directly to the form through Special:EmailUser/Username CiaPan (talk) 09:07, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

Thank you! Whitemancanjump23 (talk) 09:12, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

@Whitemancanjump23: I'm not a Wikipedia administrator so emailing me will not resolve things and I won't respond to your email. 331dot and Cullen328 are Wikipedia administrators, however. Even so, I still suggest you email the address listed on WP:PAID since that's what it's for. -- Marchjuly (talk) 09:17, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

Photo upload

i want to upload photos on wikipedia page of 2 politicians and there are their official portrait on the Indian government sites because they are member of parliament.should I upload the official portrait from government site WikiAnchor10 (talk) 06:37, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

@WikiAnchor10, Maybe. Look under "licensing" at these examples:[3][4]. Perhaps something similar applies to the pictures you have in mind. If you don't get a better reply here, try asking at Commons:Help desk, and include the weblinks of the photos. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:20, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

@WikiAnchor10 The Indian government has a very open policy and there is a template commons:Template:GODL-India you can use to tag your upload. It will be reviewed by an admin to confirm that the URL you used as the source of the file does indeed comply to the rules. Make sure you don't suggest the image is your "own work"! Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:05, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

Article name

Hello all,

I am currently working on a draft on "throw ups" which are a type of graffiti. It's currently in my sandbox. Based on my understanding, parenthesis in titles are only for if there's already an existing article (e.g. "Bob Bobson" is an article, and a second article is "Bob Bobson (author)". For throw ups though, there isn't a page called "throw up" but it is a redirect to vomiting, and I expect more people searching wikipedia for "throw up" would be search for vomiting.

Therefore, would it be better to title the draft/article as "Throw up (graffiti)" and leave the redirect, or to make the page "throw up" and put in a "this article is a about the graffiti style, for the action of vomiting see vomiting" (or something like that).

Thank you :) -- NotCharizard ^🗨 07:11, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

"Throw up (graffiti)" would seem to me to be the better option, since vomiting is likely the primary topic for "Throw up". There is a hatnote template on Vomiting that should be edited when your article is published in order to allow readers who wind up there to reach the correct page:

Currently, {{Redirect-multi|4|Vomit|Emesis|Heaving|Puke|other uses|Vomit (disambiguation)|the butterfly genus|Emesis (genus)|the 2021 Argentine film|PussyCake|the sailing terms|Heaving to|and|Careening|the municipality of Albania|Pukë|other uses|Puke (disambiguation)}} produces

"Vomit", "Emesis", "Heaving", and "Puke" redirect here. For other uses, see Vomit (disambiguation). For the butterfly genus, see Emesis (genus). For the 2021 Argentine film, see PussyCake. For the sailing terms, see Heaving to and Careening. For the municipality of Albania, see Pukë. For other uses, see Puke (disambiguation).

but if you change it to {{Redirect-multi|5|Vomit|Emesis|Heaving|Throw up|Puke|other uses|Vomit (disambiguation)|the butterfly genus|Emesis (genus)|the 2021 Argentine film|PussyCake|the sailing terms|Heaving to|and|Careening|the municipality of Albania|Pukë|the type of graffiti|Throw up (graffiti)|other uses|Puke (disambiguation)}} (wording is up to you, but something similar), it will produce

"Vomit", "Emesis", "Heaving", "Throw up", and "Puke" redirect here. For other uses, see Vomit (disambiguation). For the butterfly genus, see Emesis (genus). For the 2021 Argentine film, see PussyCake. For the sailing terms, see Heaving to and Careening. For the municipality of Albania, see Pukë. For the type of graffiti, see Throw up (graffiti). For other uses, see Puke (disambiguation).

Tollens (talk) 07:28, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

@Notcharizard Interesting draft! One minor point. You shouldn't duplicate the URL for a citation that has a doi. That URL will make the title a blue-link, which is misleading if the article in not open-access. If indeed the target is open-access, then use of the parameter |doi-access=free will create the blue-link automatically. There is a bot that goes around cleaning up these sort of errors but it is probably better to avoid them (e.g. your current #3, #5, #9 & #10) Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:56, 6 September 2023 (UTC)