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September 5

Sorting of Dutch names

I'm Dutch and not a new(ish) enwiki editor. This might be the wrong place for these questions. If so, please let me know where to go.
In the Netherlands names are not sorted/indexed by preposition(s). (Example:Vincent van Gogh would be under G and not V.) Enwiki is well aware of this, see Tussenvoegsel, as well as here and here. Enwiki usually follows this convention (see for example Category:Dutch people stubs), though not always, as you can see there are a few de's under D and van's under V. Previously I have been editing those whenever I came across them. However, while this is the rule in the Netherlands, I have been unable to find a rule to this effect on enwiki. There is also this sentence However, Dutch names in English directories (e.g., reference lists of scientific papers) may be ordered on the full name including all prefixes (Van Rijn would be ordered under 'V'),... in the third paragraph here.
I am well aware of: wp:Ignore all rules. But still, I have a few questions:
1)Is this a rule somewhere on enwiki, or just a convention (that ought to be followed)? Or have I been editing wrong by mistakenly "fixing" this?
2)If it is a rule, could somebody point me to it?
3)Is it a rule/convention only on enwiki, or should it be followed across Wikimedia?
I'm asking this last question because I tend to roam fairly wide over the language projects, and when challenged previously I was able to convince editors over there. However, recently I wasn't on the Afrikaans wp when a university professor of Afrikaans Linguistics got involved. Which got me thinking and diving into this particular rabbithole.
Dutchy45 (talk) 09:14, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

WP:SUR doesn't touch on this specifically, but says that for special cases not covered in the guidance, Names of persons: National usages for entry in catalogue (1996) should be consulted, which (p. 160) recommends the same thing you do. Folly Mox (talk) 10:57, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

However if you're talking about the values of e.g. |author-first= |author-last= in a citation template, the thing to do – like almost always – is follow the sources. So if your source credits "van der Loon, Piet", you should do the same, and not alter the citation to read "Loon, Piet van der". Folly Mox (talk) 11:07, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

Why was the article on Anas Haloui taken down?

Hello! I've recently drafted an article on the Moroccan boxer, Anas Haloui, in French, but it was taken down because I was told I did not use resources that aligned with Wikipedia guidelines. Being a Wikipedia editor for quite a while, I have been using similar resources for my articles, all of which are web pages. The news article websites included Dailymotion, News Atlantic, Sky News Belgium, Book Times, and Medium. Therefore, I would like to know why was it taken down and what I can do for it to get published again. Thank you. ~~~~ Yara Elhawary (talk) 10:29, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Yara Elhawary. The French Wikipedia is an entirely separate project with it's own rules and policies. This is the English Wikipedia, so unfortunately we can't help with French articles. Qcne (talk) 11:05, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Yara Elhawary, you could try asking on the discussion page of the admin who deleted the article, ideally in French. TSventon (talk) 12:00, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

Thank you Qcne and TSventon for your kind help. I have responded in the discussion page, but without any luck. Although I believe it was because I drafted my request in English. Allow me to draft it once again in French. Thank you.

I have another question, if I were to publish an article for this same boxer in English, using the following resources: The Borok Times and Dailyhunt (English sources), Dailymotion (one video), and News Atlantic and Sky News Belgium (French sources), do I have a successful chance of having my article published?

I look forward to hearing back from you. Thank you. Yara Elhawary (talk) 12:40, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Yara Elhawary. Articles about sportspeople need to pass the WP:NSPORT criteria. Qcne (talk) 12:43, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

@Yara Elhawary, you have asked on your own discussion page, I suggested asking on the discussion page of the admin who deleted the article, as they are probably not watching your talk page. Their name is mentioned in the Annonce de suppression de page on your fr discussion page. TSventon (talk) 13:02, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

Page for my business

Hello there ! I hope you are doing well! I was wondering about how to create a page for my business name. Can someone help, please? Ivonajivkova (talk) 11:17, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

There are zero business pages on Wikipedia, we have articles on notable businesses. Theroadislong (talk) 11:20, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

@Ivonajivkova Newcomers with the ambition of creating an article for something where they have a conflict of interest nearly always fail. Writing acceptable articles is more tricky than it may appear. In addition, the WMF's terms of use insist that you would be considered a WP:PAID editor if writing about your own business and must declare that as explained at the link. In addition, you should read this and this. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:59, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

speedy deletion

Please I need guidelines on speedy deletion for copyright violation on article"innovation Support Network" . Should I revised the older version to clean up the infringement. Please help I don't want the article deleted. Akwugo (talk) 11:27, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

@Akwugo I replied to a similar question of yours at the Teahouse. Please don't ask the same thing in multiple places as that just wastes people's time. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:53, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

Links to Google Drive

I was nominating an article for deletion yesterday (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Viossa) and realized that one of the sources was a link to a PDF uploaded in someone's Google Drive account. I did a search today and realized that almost 5,000 articles link to "drive.google.com" in their sources. What should be done about these? My gut assumption is that Drive links shouldn't be used because A) they aren't necessarily stable and B) there's no guarantee they're an accurate representation of the source they're trying to archive. Should these links be replaced with templates, or is there a better practice that I've missed? ThadeusOfNazereth(he/him)^{Talk to Me!} 12:25, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

This would probably be better discussed at Wikipedia talk:Link rot or Wikipedia talk:Citing sources. I didn't find a previous consensus about this with a brief search. Folly Mox (talk) 12:53, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

Internet Archive will archive publicly visible gdrive links, so apart from thing B they're not really worse than any other unstable URL. Folly Mox (talk) 12:56, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

It's also worth pointing out that the link is not the citation. The citation is the information about who and what and where and how the information was published. It's an author and a title and a publisher and other relevant information so someone can go find the original source. A link is a courtesy for when the source is also available online, but it is not mandatory that such links are used, especially for print sources. --Jayron32 16:20, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

References and punctuation

I remember seeing something about placing references after punctuation marks rather than before but can no longer find it. Where is what I saw? Mcljlm (talk) 13:12, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

@Mcljlm: MOS:REFPUNCT Bazza (talk) 13:15, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

Thanks. Mcljlm (talk) 18:43, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

I want to delete a page

Hello, I want to request a deletion of a page thet violates a rule of impersonating someone else. Pshakhasraw (talk) 13:15, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

Pshakhasraw, is this the draft you created? If so you can add {{Db-author}} to the top of the page to request speedy deletion. TSventon (talk) 13:32, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

Mentor?

I've just noticed in on my - relatively new - homepage that I've been assigned a mentor who has volunteered to guide newer people like [me] on how to edit - which is a nice gesture, except I've been here 14 years and have 37K edits to my name. What criteria is met to be assigned one, or does everybody get one, and they can just opt out? (No offence MR Mentor.) Chaheel Riens (talk) 14:23, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

@Chaheel Riens Anyone who opens the "newcomer homepage" feature, even as an experiment when fiddling with Special:Preferences (at the bottom) will be assigned a mentor. You can just ignore this as an experienced editor or go back into your preferences and uncheck the box for that feature. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:30, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

@chaheel riens: this is the new homepage feature (see here for more info). every editor using it is assigned to a mentor, no exceptions. i'm not quite sure why you're seeing it, it's meant only for new editors. ltbdl (talk) 14:30, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

Mentors are assigned only to a subset of editors with Special:Homepage enabled, per Wikipedia talk:Growth Team features/Mentor list#50% of newcomers getting a mentor (up from 25% a week ago). Folly Mox (talk) 16:39, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

hm, not what i remember. ltbdl (talk) 16:45, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

Notepad and to-do list for users

I once saw on a user’s user page that they had created a notepad and a to-do list linked to their Wikipedia page. How would one created it?

Megabits13 (talk) 16:08, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

@Megabits13: you are allowed to create subpages of your user page, e.g. User:Megabits13/notepad and User:Megabits13/to-do list. Perfectly OK as long as they are there to help you build the encyclopedia. To create the page you first create a redlink (as I did here) and then click on the redlink and start typing. I usually put these redlinks on my top-level user page so I can later easily click on them to go to the subpages. -Arch dude (talk) 16:35, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

Add {{user subpages|Megabits13}} to (eg) your user page, and it will display an up-to-date list of all your sub-pages. -- Verbarson  ^talk_edits 11:24, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

Update Content getting Reverted

Mr.Ollie Reverted my changes. How to undo that?

Kalyan Jewellers Rakish (talk) 18:22, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

You can discuss the matter on the article talk page, explain your position, and see what the consensus among other people is. --Jayron32 18:23, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

Please review the article and check the Talk page. There don't appear to be any discussions, and I'm unable to provide an explanation. If possible, investigate the reason for the revert and consider undoing it. It seems that some administrative volunteers are restricting the edits of new users. Rakish (talk) 18:29, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

Rakish, I started a talk page section for you to reply to. In the future, you can start your own discussion using the "New section" button at the top of the page. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 18:32, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

Thanks. But, who will help me to undo the recent changes based on the review. Rakish (talk) 18:43, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

If the consensus of the discussion is in your favour, you can undo them yourself. Until then, you should not edit that part of the article. Maproom (talk) 19:53, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

If MrOllie reverted your changes, then they thought they were not improvements. You may be right, they may be right, both or neither may be right. Wikipedia works on consensus, and if you think the article should be changed, it is up to you to argue the case and persuade other editors. ColinFine (talk) 22:10, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

Updated Content reverted for Irrelevant Reason

MrOllie reverted my changes because I mentioned routine financial information like dividends. However, I included details about the first dividend in the company's history, which I believe is a significant historical milestone, not merely current news. I would like to draw your attention to the following article, which also includes dividend details as part of the historical record: The Coca Cola Company

I greatly appreciate MrOllie's time in reviewing my edit, but I would like to emphasize that the revert should not be solely based on the fact that I am a new user. I am committed to contributing positively to Wikipedia and adhering to its guidelines. My intention was to enhance the article with relevant and significant historical information.

link : Kalyan Jewellers Rakish (talk) 19:22, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

@Rakishgobi: Please continue to discuss this on the article's talk page to get consensus. WP:OTHERCONTENT may apply. Follow the guidance at WP:DR if talk page discussion does not work. RudolfRed (talk) 19:53, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

September 6

Recurring Payment Donations

Hello... I donate each month to Wikipedia via automatic recurring payment on my credit card. I need to change the payment method (a new card). How do I do that? Thanks! Doug Kratz (talk) 00:24, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

@Doug Kratz: Reach out to donate@wikimedia.org for help with donations. RudolfRed (talk) 01:20, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

(Redacted) 109.43.177.185 (talk) 04:26, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

Please use the email address just given. Don't post any details on this page. -- John of Reading (talk) 06:35, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

See more at donate:Cancel or change recurring giving. PrimeHunter (talk) 08:08, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

Tau'a

The woman who allowed let Muslim ibn aqil into her home when he was alone at kufa is pretty known in the islamic world ( especially shias) shall i make an article about her? Mac O'Donnell (talk) 00:40, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

It will depend on how much coverage has this person received in published reliable sources. See WP:NBIO for the guideline. RudolfRed (talk) 01:28, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

@Mac O'Donnell Tau'a isn't mentioned in that article but if Muslim scholars have reported on her as a figure from history there is no reason an article can't be created. Some of the sources already at Muslim ibn Aqil may be helpful. Others may be in Arabic but that is no problem, assuming you can translate and paraphrase them. You are a relatively new editor, so I suggest you use the WP:AfC process and also read this advice. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:07, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

She's mentioned in failed revolution and execution section as (Taw'a) Thanks that helpful! And she has an article in Arabic, how can i connect them both? Like create an English version of it. Mac O'Donnell (talk) 20:31, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

User:Mac O'Donnell, once your draft has been approved through the AfC process, you can go on Arabic Wikipedia to the Tau'a / Taw'a article (apologies I have no idea how to find or write this name in Arabic), tap the "three vertical dots" menu, and go to the Wikidata item. You can create a new sitelink from Wikidata to your new English Wikipedia article, which is an intuitive process. This will connect it in with the Arabic article and any other articles already present on other sister language projects. Folly Mox (talk) 08:46, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

@Mac O'Donnell You can use the existing Arabic article content for part of your English draft: if you do that, please read WP:Translation for some advice, particularly about attribution. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:18, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

How do you add a brief description that appears on the subject's searchbar?

When you type up something at a search bar, there's a brief description on the subject before clicking on to it. How do you do that? XXzoonamiXX (talk) 02:00, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

XXzoonamiXX, you're looking for Template:Short description, which should go at the top of each article. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 02:33, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

Benefit of name redirects with lowercase letters

What is the actual benefit of redirects like Albert einstein and Humphrey bogart? --KnightMove (talk) 08:23, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

None really. They're just holdovers from days of yore (2004 and 2006, respectively, and the latter by a bot apparently), and they're not causing any harm, so nobody's bothered to delete them. Clarityfiend (talk) 10:53, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

Back then, the Go feature of the search box didn't go directly to a page name with other capitalization but just displayed search results if there was no redirect. Special:WhatLinksHere/Albert einstein shows some links from outside articles but they probably wouldn't have been made if there was no redirect. There may be some external sites which link to titles with lowercase letters. There is little point in creating new redirects like this but it may break some links to delete old ones. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:29, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

Per the above, in older iterations of MediaWiki, "Albert Einstein" and "Albert einstein" were treated as different article titles, and as such, redirects had to be created from the one to the other. Per WP:CHEAP, there's no reason to get rid of them even though they are basically useless today. --Jayron32 16:17, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

Albert Einstein and Albert einstein are still treated as different page names in wikilinks and url's, and they could have been different articles instead of the latter redirecting to the former (GOLD and Gold are different pages). Without the redirect, Albert einstein would have been a red link but entering "Albert einstein" in the search box would have gone directly to the other capitalization Albert Einstein. Similar to how Albert EINSTEIN is a red link, but it works to enter "Albert EINSTEIN" in the search box. If there is no match with the same capitalization but more than one match with other capitalizations then I don't know which is picked by search. "Albert EINSTEIN" picks the redirect Albert einstein although the article Albert Einstein is closer in capitalization. "GOLd", "GOlD" and "GoLD" all pick Gold instead of GOLD so maybe lowercase is prefered by the algorithm. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:23, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

Videos

videos Colin Adversky (talk) 08:27, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

Do you have a question about editing Wikipedia, Colin Adversky? -- ColinFine (talk) 11:51, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

location question

For template:cite book, there is a field called location. If the city and/or the state abbreviation for the location have changed since the book was published, what should be used? For example, if it was published in Lincoln, Nebraska in 1968, should it say Lincoln, NB (the abbreviation at the time) or Lincoln, NE (the current abbreviation). Similarly, something published in Constantinople in 1910, Constantinople or the modern Istanbul? Naraht (talk) 17:43, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

Spell out Nebraska. Use the city name that is listed in the source.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 17:55, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

Trappist the monk I started this because I ran into a state abbreviation of Kansas as KA which is never right, but I moved onto Nebraska because it did change. I think going in and changing all to include the state name would be a *massive* project.Naraht (talk) 18:54, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

Please also bear in mind that "Lincoln, NE" looks like an area to the north-east of the City of Lincoln in the UK. Martin of Sheffield (talk) 19:47, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

Martin of Sheffield, perhaps somebody who's at least moderately bookish would realize that "Lincoln, NE" would be a very odd way of expressing what could otherwise be expressed as, for example, "Market Rasen, Lincs". -- Hoary (talk) 09:06, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

That's why I left it as "looks like". In a place name "NE" looks like a point of the compass, I would never have associated it with Nebraska, USA. Have a look at Lincoln and you'll see there are many such names spread across the globe, just adding an obscure "NE" doesn't disambiguate it except possibly to Americans. Not a big issue, just a point to bear in mind as I said. Martin of Sheffield (talk) 09:28, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

For what it's worth, MOS:STATEABBR says that postal abbreviations should not be used (except in tables, where the first use should be marked with the {{abbr}} template). CodeTalker (talk) 16:54, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

Forcing stack

I frequently come across articles with a very long infobox, an entire screen of blank space to its left, and finally a navbar. I think these would be more readable if the navbar were placed in that blank space. With some navbars, like in Balaustium vignae, this can be done by placing the navbar in {{stack}} and adding {{clear left}}. However, if the navbar holds multiple lines, like in Balaustium medicagoense, this doesn't change the layout. I think this is because using {{stack}} results in this order:

1. The contents of {{stack}} lay themselves out and state how much space they would like.
2. {{stack}} determines whether they can be stacked, and if so, stacks them.

I want to do this instead:

1. {{stack}} determines what room there is for stacking.
2. It tells its contents to lay themselves out within that limited space.

This is both (theoretically) possible and desirable, since navbars are perfectly capable of fitting themselves into smaller widths while remaining readable. However, I don't fully understand how {{stack}} is implemented. Is there any way to do this (possibly with a new template)?

Notes

jlwoodwa (talk) 17:53, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

Signature font

Does anyone know how to use a different font for a signature I noticed some people have different fonts for theirs Isla 20:06, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

@Isla, check out Wikipedia:Signature tutorial#Getting colourful... - the last examples show how to change font. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 20:28, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

Thank you Isla 23:01, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

Lokesh Kanagaraj

His recent movie is Leo.I have seen a message saying 3 instalment of LCU few days back.But now it's been removed 49.205.81.206 (talk) 20:51, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

We do have an article on Lokesh Kanagaraj. If you want to suggest additions to the article, IP editor, the place for such suggestions is Talk:Lokesh Kanagaraj. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 21:13, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

We also have Lokesh Cinematic Universe, which discusses future projects. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 21:18, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

Someone randomly removing birth and death dates from pages

Hi, @Hyphenation Expert is removing birth or deaths from date pages saying "uncited" despite leaving many other uncited names. [1][2][3][4] It looks almost random. I hesitate to call it vandalism but since he is not removing all names, just one here or there, it doesn't make sense. Wouldn't it make more sense to simply copy the appropriate citation from the biography where needed? Is there something here going on or maybe the person's account got taken over by someone? 76.143.192.237 (talk) 21:16, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

Hyphenation Expert is correct. See WP:DOYCITE * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 21:18, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

@Pppery But he's removing the listing of people who have wikipedia articles. "the births and deaths of non-fictional people who are themselves subjects of Wikipedia articles should be listed." For instance he removed Adam Exner from December 24. 76.143.192.237 (talk) 21:25, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

Any material lacking a reliable source directly supporting it may be removed and should not be restored without an inline citation to a reliable source. A blue link to a Wikipedia article is not sufficient. Most project members are reverting new additions without direct sources on sight. seems clear enough and supersedes the guidance you quoted. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 21:53, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

If that's the case he should be removing ALL the ones that don't have a direct citation, not just one here or there. Your explanation isn't consistent with what's being done. 76.143.192.237 (talk) 12:44, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

Everyone is free to do as much or as little cleanup as they wish. This is a volunteer project. Similarly, if you want to either re-add the information with citations or help the cleanup effort by removing other uncited information, you can. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 13:35, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

photo

how do I get a photo of Reginald Frederick Chapman that I uploaded to Wikimedia commons to his wikipedia entry LizandReg (talk) 22:42, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

Read Help:Pictures. You'd probably want a thumbnail style (which would use a default size) and probably placed on the right (unless he's looking to his right). Clarityfiend (talk) 00:04, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

If you go to c:File:Reg Chapman.png, you will see a link at the top saying "use this file" with the Wikipedia icon: pick that, and it will show you what to copy and paste into the article.

I see you have uploaded the picture as "Own work". This suggests that you were connected with Chapman. If this is the case, please be aware of the advice for editors with a conflict of interest. I don't think there's a problem with adding a photo to the article, but if you wanted to contribute to it further, it would be better to make edit requests, rather than editing it directly.

Following on from that, I am wondering about your user name, LizandReg. Wikipedia accounts are personal, and may not be shared. I observe that Chapman died in 2003, so I'm guessing that the name is in homage rather than actually shared; but if it is shared, please create separate accounts, and if it is not, it might be a good idea to put a note on your User page clarifying that the account is only used by one person, in case other people get suspicious as I did. ColinFine (talk) 09:51, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

How do I add the Foxboro "Special events" train stations to Pawtucket/Central Falls station infobox?

How do I add the Foxboro "Special events" train stations to Pawtucket/Central Falls station infobox in a manner similar to South Attleboro station? --Jax 0677 (talk) 23:38, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

 Done See Special:Diff/1174240483. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 05:54, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

September 7

Redirect

I'm trying to modify a redirect with the intention of creating a new article about the subject {{ill|Tom Ahlström|sv}} (who along with Hans Ehrich, founded A&E Design). Ideally, I would liked to remove the redirect entirely, add the Swedish WP:ILL per above to the articles that mention Ahlström, and then draft the article in due course. I've tried moving the page to draft space and removing the redirect, but I seem to have gotten something wrong. Please advise. -- Cl3phact0 (talk) 08:02, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

Cl3phact0 the best way to create Tom Ahlström, when Tom Ahlström is a redirect is to start Draft:Tom Ahlström and then use Wikipedia:Requested moves/Technical requests to move your draft to article space. You have moved the redirect Tom Ahlström to Draft:Tom Ahlström, I would suggest that you ask RM/TR to move it back. Then you could start your own draft at Draft:Tom Ahlström. Alternatively, you could start a Userspace draft. TSventon (talk) 08:49, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

[edit clash] Cl3phact0 I've read your message above three times but still don't understand your predicament. Tom Ahlström was a redirect to Draft:Tom Ahlström (which, as it happens, exists but is blank); redirects from article space to draft space are improper, and this was a good enough reason for me to delete Tom Ahlström a few minutes ago. -- Hoary (talk) 08:53, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

Hoary the problem was caused by Cl3phact0 moving the redirect at Tom Ahlström to Draft:Tom Ahlström. TSventon (talk) 08:59, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

TSventon, if there are times when it's appropriate to redirect from mainspace to draftspace, then I can't think of them. I rather assumed that a page move from article to draft would disable the regular page-move option to create a redirect. If creation of a redirect is possible, then we just have to try to remember not to ask for it. -- Hoary (talk) 09:38, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

Hoary, as an ordinary (extended confirmed) user I can only move pages leaving a redirect, I don't have the choice to ask for a redirect. I believe that mainspace to draft redirects are regularly patrolled and deleted, so they are not a major problem. TSventon (talk) 09:54, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

Exactly. That's why I brought the matter here! I was (I thought) piecing together the correct procedure and steps to: get rid of the redirect; turn the page into a draft (hence the move to draftspace); and then begin writing a new article. I noticed that something hadn't worked as expected when I tried to add the Swedish inter-wiki link to the Hans Ehrich article. I too rather assumed that a page move from article to draft would disable the regular page-move option to create a redirect (I may have neglected to tick/un-tick the right box – this is the first time I've attempted this operation). For future reference, is this something that can be done, of does it require higher-level user rights? Cheers, Cl3phact0 (talk) 13:24, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

Cl3phact0 what you should have done was

• create Draft:Tom Ahlström and work on it until it was suitable for article space
• try to move Draft:Tom Ahlström to Tom Ahlström (should be possible if the redirect has no history)
• request a move from Draft:Tom Ahlström to Tom Ahlström at Wikipedia:Requested moves/Technical requests

now you could

• create Draft:Tom Ahlström 1 and work on it until it was suitable for article space
• move Draft:Tom Ahlström 1 to Tom Ahlström

or

• just create Tom Ahlström and work on it

As an extended controlled user you have to leave a redirect when you move a page, so there is no box to tick. Wikipedia:Page movers can move pages without leaving a redirect, but I don't know what their screen looks like as I don't have that permission. TSventon (talk) 13:52, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

TSventon, Hoary, thank you both for you help. What threw me off was the existence of the redirect (which prevented the addition of the Swedish article link). Again, I had thought the operation was possible as executed. All good now (see: Draft:Tom Ahlström and the related articles – which is what I had initially set out to achieve). Cheers, Cl3phact0 (talk) 14:10, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

Cl3phact0, the first edit of Draft:Tom Ahlström is by another user, so when you publish the article it will appear on their list of articles created, not yours. I don't know whether that matters to you. TSventon (talk) 14:16, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

Interesting. I hadn't considered this, nor had I ever looked at the list. (I used this tool, though perhaps there is another, better way to see this information? I do keep track informally here, however, this page is really more of an aide-mémoire.) Is there some aspect of WP etiquette or any reason why this could be annoying to the user who created the original redirect page (now a draft)? Should I start over from the beginning? -- Cl3phact0 (talk) 15:02, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

I look at the Articles created link at the bottom of my transactions listing and it shows me the same tool. WP:EDRED says you can edit a redirect to make it into an article, so I don't see any reason for the redirect creator to be upset. TSventon (talk) 15:14, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

Ok, great, thanks. (For what it's worth, WP:EDRED is what first gave me the idea I could get rid of the redirect by making it into an article and converting it into a draft! It seemed so straightforward and logical, alas.) -- Cl3phact0 (talk) 15:25, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

Is there any campaign to collection of fund in Wikipedia?

Fund collection 103.203.72.136 (talk) 08:27, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

The Wikimedia Foundation collects funds to support Wikipedia in hundreds of languages and other free knowledge ventures. Unaffiliated fundraising efforts are not permitted here. Cullen328 (talk) 08:34, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

Where does this email address go to?

Recently noticed that at Wikipedia:Contact us/Readers, in the vandalism section, it has an email address info-en-v@wikimedia.org. Couldn't really find any information on who reads the emails sent. I wouldn't really ever need to email this, but if you sent an email to this, who would receive it? TechyTommy (talk) 12:54, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

Probably a member of the Wikipedia:Volunteer Response Team as that page mentions blatant vandalism. TSventon (talk) 13:02, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

That's correct, info-en is a VRT queue that can be accessed by multiple VRT agents. Beeblebrox (talk) 23:00, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia rejects sources for being "Paywalled"? That seems ridiculous, most public newspapers of record have paywalls.

I tried to repair vandalism on wikipedia and restored an obituary date sourced to The Times, which is a British newspaper that has been a paper of record since 1785. [5] ToadEtte undid my repair with an insulting comment "Source doesn't mention the age, also source is paywalled. Go get another source to verify." This seems absolutely insane to me. Almost every public newspaper of record has to keep paywalls these days to try to generate revenue for operating expenses. If I tried to source to a book, would they demand I buy them a copy of the book or not count the source too????? 76.143.192.237 (talk) 14:47, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

Paywalled sources can certainly be used: see WP:PAYWALL. But a source that doesn't confirm the information it's cited for is not useful. I don't see what's insulting about that edit summary , though. ColinFine (talk) 14:51, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Verifiability#Access_to_sources "Do not reject reliable sources just because they are difficult or costly to access."

The source should be fine and was already used on the main page for the person. I copied the sourcing to the date page because vandals have been misrepresenting the policy and deleting random names rather than checking if a source for the dates was available. 76.143.192.237 (talk) 14:58, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

None paywall version via Archive today [6] Timur9008 (talk) 15:02, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

Be very careful about calling something vandalism which is not, in fact, vandalism by Wikipedia's definition of the term (see WP:VANDALISM, specifically the part at WP:NOTVANDALISM). 199.208.172.35 (talk) 14:59, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

"Sneaky Vandalism" includes "reverting legitimate edits with the intent of hindering the improvement of pages." It takes just a few seconds to see if there's a source in the linked bio and copy it into the list. These multiple people doing this are just trying to exploit a loophole, deleting random content that has perfectly good sourcing available in a DISRUPTIVE manner that is not beneficial to wikipedia. 76.143.192.237 (talk) 20:30, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

Blocking an IP range

There has been an Italian IP range beginning with 93 that has been vandalizing Sikh and Punjabi-related Wikipedia articles for months now, doing so for seemingly multiple times every week. I am tired of reverting their constant vandalism endlessly as they never stop their damaging edits. Is there anyway I can get this IP range blocked? I am not sure how to go about doing so. MaplesyrupSushi (talk) 15:13, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

@MaplesyrupSushi, you can get a range block at ANI. Just bring a few diffs and a few example addresses in the range(s) they've been operating from. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 16:08, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

Thank you! MaplesyrupSushi (talk) 16:14, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

If it's a smallish group of articles, WP:RFPP may also be a place to report it. Beeblebrox (talk) 22:56, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

@Beeblebrox - Thank you MaplesyrupSushi (talk) 23:01, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

How to download Wikipedia content and/or software and/or create derivative works of Wikipedia?

I want to know about downloading content from Wikipedia site. Baloshie Khan (talk) 18:59, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

Check out Wikipedia:Database_download RudolfRed (talk) 19:17, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

Commonwealth Youth Council

Hey I am new to Wikipedia and I wrote an article about the commonwealth youth council and it got rejected cause there weren't enough references but I cant any info other then there actual website what should I do ABDZee (talk) 20:03, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

If there are no other references, then the subject won't meet WP:N, so it's not suitable for an article. Check out WP:BACKWARDS. You want to get the sources first then write the article. RudolfRed (talk) 20:09, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

It wasn't rejected because "there weren't enough references", it was rejected because the sources weren't good enough. It looks as if none of them were independent. You'll need reliable independent published sources with extensive discussion of the subject, to establish that it's notable enough to warrant a Wikipedia article. Maproom (talk) 20:45, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

I've never seen this before.... Wikipedia as a Personals Ad?

Special:Contributions/Wyndhampriscilla A message to a named police officer (including naming his wife?) asking for contact info? No idea how to remove it. CMacMillan (talk) 20:20, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

Check out WP:CRD. Qcne (talk) 20:24, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

Thank you! See something new everyday ;) CMacMillan (talk) 20:25, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for pointing this out, CMacMillan. I've deleted it, and warned the user who wrote it. -- Hoary (talk) 22:31, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

veracity of Serhiy Pashynskyi wiki article

The wiki article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serhiy_Pashynskyi does not mention that the individual, "Serhiy Pashynskyi owns a major arms company. This seems like a significant oversight. When I read wiki articles, I expect good information. Ukrainian Armored Technology is the name of the company and it should be mentioned because the guy is supposedly an arms dealer. 2601:603:5400:F5D0:41D3:EE68:CDB2:B5E4 (talk) 20:25, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello. Wikipedia articles rely on volunteers adding information to them. If you have a reliable, independent source that states this person owns this company, please make the suggestion to the article Talk Page. Qcne (talk) 20:28, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

My clients wikipedia page is on nl.wikipedia and needs to either be linked to en.wkikipedia or transferred to and english new page as the language should be changed in english and my client should be found on english pages.

What can i do to either crete a new englisg page or change nl.wiki to en.wiki PascalleWongAFoe (talk) 21:01, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

@PascalleWongAFoe Please read and comply with WP:PAID first 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 21:03, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

What happens next depends upon your declaration made to the formal message left on your talk page. Please only come back here when you have made a formal answer 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 21:05, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

@PascalleWongAFoe Your client does not have a wikipedia page, whereas Wikipedia has, certainly in the Netherlands, a Wikipedia article on your client. Please read WP:OWN. You may wish to disabuse your client about page ownership. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 21:16, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

Timtrent, some fellow named Emil Lee has a page (an article) in Dutch-language Wikipedia and also has a page (an unsubmitted draft) in English-language Wikipedia. If anyone reading this is subject to the strangely popular myth that "having" X entails "possessing" either X or rights to/over X, I draw their attention to definition 3 of verb have in Merriam-Webster: "to stand in a certain relationship to" (which MW illustrates with "has three fine children" and "we will have the wind at our backs"). -- Hoary (talk) 22:22, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

Yes, has, like many words, has more than one meaning. People who understand that nobody owns a Wikipedia article may very well use it with that meaning; but it is clear that many people who come here with questions about a draft article (especially where they have a COI) have the misconception that the relationship between an article and its subject is a good deal stronger than that, and I believe that it is helpful to avoid using a word which can so easily be misunderstood in that way. ColinFine (talk) 22:36, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

ColinFine, that sounds a lot more reasonable. Yes, have is polysemous. Moreover, in very common uses, it has been bleached of virtually all meaning, though it can still be governed by convention. (1) "Emil Lee has a page": grammatical and acceptable. (2) *"This page has Emil Lee": unacceptable and (with the expected meaning of "Emil Lee") ungrammatical. (3) "This page has Emil Lee as its subject": grammatical and acceptable -- and I doubt that even the most fanatical have-exterminator would claim that the third of those implies ownership of Lee by the page. -- Hoary (talk) 23:03, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

Having a page about

I will say this, as far as I'm concerned Emil Lee is notable enough for a Wikipedia page (serving in the Cabinet of a Nation actually qualifies), Next step is probably to actually put the references in the right place. And keeping it in draftspace until this is actually put into the right format is probably best.Naraht (talk) 22:49, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

But let's not get carried away. It may have a "national" football team, but Sint Maarten hardly satisfies the most salient definition of "nation". It's very much more populous than, say, Wasilla; yet its population is about a tenth of that of Anchorage. Well, let's see if the subject satisfies WP:GNG. -- Hoary (talk) 23:12, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

Best method for search query

Hi! I’m wondering if any editors will know a tool I can use to perform a specific type of search query.

I’m trying to find articles that (a) contain the word "mayor" in the article body, have the word "west" in the title, and are categorised as being about a human.

I managed to perform a search on Wikipedia using the first two conditions. However, I couldn’t manage to incorporate the third condition, because - as I understand it - Category:People goes too deep for the WP search system.

I thought about using the Wikidata Query Service - where I can filter results to only items where the property ‘instance of’ has a value of ‘human’, but I’m unaware of how I can use this to search for the word ‘mayor’ within the linked articles themselves.

If anyone has any ideas for a search service that would be able to return results for this type of query, I’d therefore appreciate hearing about it!

Many thanks! All the best, A smart kitten (talk) 23:26, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

@A smart kitten: Hi there! Are you looking for living people or deceased people or both? GoingBatty (talk) 01:50, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

September 8

Josh Van Bull

FYI

 – Combined sections. GoingBatty (talk) 01:46, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

Josh van Bull 26 December 1892 - 18 May 1980) was A Fourth French Empire and French Third Republic Last President with Albert Lebrun until he's death on May 18 1980 at 6:00 A.M. Mickeymouss2011 (talk) 01:33, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

he was at the military for the last 8 years. On May 18 1980. At 6:00 A.M. At Warrington PA Josh and his brother Diego died of a heart attack They will buried at Paris France Diego Van Bull 1893-1980. Josh Van Bull 1892-1980 talk:|talk]]) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mickeymouss2011 (talk • contribs) 01:42, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

@Mickeymouss2011: Hi there! Wikipedia doesn't seem to have an article about Josh Van Bull. Did you have a question about Wikipedia? GoingBatty (talk) 01:47, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

Contacting Museums

I am contacting multiple museums for more information for articles I am writing. If they respond could I cite the responses? What would be the best way to go about this. LuxembourgLover (talk) 01:56, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

GA reviewed version

Would it be possible to change the version that John Romita Sr. became a good article on from this diff to this diff? I ask because there was a mistake I had missed before the article was passed. I had tried replacing the revision id on the talk page template, but the old revision still appears on Wikipedia 1.0 Server instead. FlairTale (talk) 02:40, 8 September 2023 (UTC)