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November 8

Additional information

Hi, I read an article on Wikipedia and have some additional information to add. The source is that I personally know someone involved with the topic so the information is first hand. How do I submit this information to you for consideration to be included? Thank you Eagle702 (talk) 00:02, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

@Eagle702: All information in Wikipedia articles must come from published reliable sources. First hand information is not accepted. RudolfRed (talk) 00:06, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

Eagle702, the relevant policy is No original research. Cullen328 (talk) 00:18, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

Gianni Morandi

I would very much like to insert the "Honours" and "Recognitions" within the Gianni Morandi page, but there already seems to be a paragraph saying "Honours". The problem is that in the it.wiki (it:Gianni_Morandi) page, all honours are different from those on en.wiki; I wouldn't know how to go about it, you in en.wiki which honours and recognitions do you consider valid? JackkBrown (talk) 00:27, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

JackkBrown, I see no problem. "You in en-wiki" is the wrong way to think. You know more about Italy than the vast majority of English Wikipedia editors. You are presumably conversant with reliable sources in Italian, and the quality of the coverage is all-important. This is a matter of good editorial judgment, and you are better positioned than anyone I know to make that decision. Cullen328 (talk) 00:39, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

The biggest problem I see is that the "Riconoscimenti" (awards) section in the Italian Wikipedia is almost entirely unsourced. If you add those awards to the English article, you will need to add sources for it. RudolfRed (talk) 00:44, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

@Cullen328: @RudolfRed: I have added the honours (first paragraph created by me), with the right size pictures, two references and all the rest. Obviously the awards (second paragraph created by me) are randomly placed, I'll leave them there waiting for someone to put them right, alternatively I'll try to do it myself in the afternoon. JackkBrown (talk) 01:36, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

Mobile nulledit

Does anyone know how to perform a nulledit on a mobile device? Andumé (talk) 00:32, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

@I Am Andumé: The link says to edit and then hit the publish button with no changes. You should be able to do that on mobile. RudolfRed (talk) 00:36, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

No, unfortunately the mobile editor doesn't let you publish without making any changes. Andumé (talk) 00:52, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

Try switching to desktop, there should be a link at the botton of the page RudolfRed (talk) 00:53, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

That works (it was the method I used earlier), but I was hoping there would be a way to do it without switching to desktop. Thanks anyway. Andumé (talk) 04:23, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

User:I Am Andumé, the mobile editing interface should let you tap Publish if you insert a single character and then backspace over it. Folly Mox (talk) 02:05, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

Weirdly enough, that works. Thanks! Andumé (talk) 02:21, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

Joanna Miłosz - Piekarska

probuje zrobic wpis/nowa strone poetki Joanny Miłosz-Piekarskiej i nie potrafie, czy jest ktos kto moze mi pomoc? Joanna jest Corka Andrzeja Miłosz i bratanica Czeslawa Miłosz Autorka ksiazek : Czerwony Pyl, Wiersze Australijskie oraz inne, Wszystkie Czasy Przeszle, W Krasnogrudzie i inne wiersze

https://ksiazki.wp.pl/joanna-milosz-piekarska-6150176016828033c https://lubimyczytac.pl/autor/213199/joanna-milosz-piekarska SenWariata (talk) 02:14, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

Google Translate offers:

I'm trying to create an entry/new website for the poet Joanna Miłosz-Piekarska and I can't, is there anyone who can help me? Joanna is the daughter of Andrzej Miłosz and niece of Czeslawa Miłosz. Author of the following books: Czerwony Pyl, Wiersze Australijskie and others, All Times Past, In Krasnogruda and other poems

SenWariata, if you'd like to do this in English-language Wikipedia, please ask here in English, specifying the kind of help you want. If you'd like to do it in Polish-language Wikipedia, please try somewhere in Spis_treści. -- Hoary (talk) 03:03, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

You're asking about en:Wikipedia, SenWariata. I have deleted the previous "Draft:Joanna Miłosz-Piekarska" (which was in Polish) and moved the mistitled "Draft:Joann Miłosz-Piekarska" to "Draft:Joanna Miłosz-Piekarska", as you requested on your talk page. NB your subject (an author) has at least one very eminent relative, but information about eminent relatives is far less important in a Wikipedia article about an author than are descriptions of the author's own work, based on descriptions by literary historians, critics, journalists, or book reviewers (but not on interviews). -- Hoary (talk) 05:30, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

Thank you so much. This is very helpful.

Is there anything else I should be doing? Should the links be in English? I have found a few but they are in Polish:

https://lubimyczytac.pl/autor/213199/joanna-milosz-piekarska

https://polskieradio24.pl/130/6808/artykul/3012337,joanna-miloszpiekarska-bycie-bratanica-czeslawa-milosza-mialo-wplyw-na-moje-zycie

https://ksiazki.wp.pl/joanna-milosz-piekarska-6150176016828033c SenWariata (talk) 03:46, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

@SenWariata: Per the section Wikipedia:NONENG under the verifiability policy, sources do not need to be in English, though if equivalent English variants exist those are preferred. You should also reference your sources as inline citations so that readers understand what information is being taken from which source. For more information on that I recommend reading Easier referencing for beginners. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 04:03, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

SenWariata, you could and I think should be a lot more informative: (1) For each of Miłosz-Piekarska's published books: (i) When was it first published, where, and by which company? (ii) Is it prose, is it poetry, does it have some prose and some poetry, or is it a hybrid of prose and poetry ("prose-poems", etc)? (iii) If it can be said to be about something, then what's it about? (iv) Has it been translated into English; and if so, then what's the title and what are the publication details? (v) If it hasn't been translated into English, then how might one translate its title? (Be careful not to suggest that this is the title of an actual published book.) (vi) If it hasn't been translated into English (and perhaps even if it has), then what translations into French, German, Spanish, etc have appeared? (vii) How has it been reviewed in newspapers and the like? (Please ignore mere blurbs.) (2) Few authors live off their writing; what has been Miłosz-Piekarska's job or source of income? (3) Has she been affiliated with some university? (4) Why does she live in Australia? (5) Has her writing been the subject of academic papers? If so, and if these papers are lucid and valuable -- unfortunately, plenty of academic writing about lit is dutiful kowtowing to philosophasters and mere obscurantism -- then who has said what about her writing? And more.... -- Hoary (talk) 08:56, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

Help finding Essay

Is there an essay about how editing Wikipedia can be terrible all the time. With the content being like ArbCom making worse decisions than North Korea and something like that. I distinctly remember reading such an essay but could have remembered wrongly. Lightoil (talk) 04:51, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

@Lightoil Should be in Category:Wikipedia essays about arbitration but I don't immediately see one mentioning N Korea. There are plenty of other rants, though! Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:02, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

Problem when logging in

For some reason today i cannot search wikipedia when logged in using Firefox (78.15.0esr). It was working fine yesterday. Accessing through Chrome works fine. Alanbfrey (talk) 11:18, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

It's OK for me today, Alanbfrey, using Firefox version 119.0. -- Hoary (talk) 11:26, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

the digital gods are punishing me, yet again, for not upgrading my hardware (that in turn prevents me from upgrading Firefox). Alanbfrey (talk) 11:37, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

@Alanbfrey: The search box at top of pages is sometimes reduced to a magnifying glass icon until you click it. You can also try Special:Search. Does that help? PrimeHunter (talk) 12:11, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

thanks. i always click on the icon but it just wouldn't respond. after shutting down the computer and re-booting it has recovered. thanks again. Alanbfrey (talk) 15:14, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

Search box

The Search Box is missing again. This is the third time I have had to advise you of this in a month. Perhaps it disappears when the "Ask for donations" request is added or removed??? 90.255.167.153 (talk) 13:10, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

The search box may be collapsible- see if there is a magnifying glass on the screen; clicking it should reveal the search box. Its presence has nothing to do with the donation request banners. If you create an account, you can turn off the donation request banners in the account preferences. 331dot (talk) 13:14, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

As you're an IP, you should be on the Vector 2022 skin. If you're at the top of the page, the search bar should be at the top in the centre of the page. If you scroll down from there a sticky header will appear, and search becomes a icon on the far left that you can click on to expand.

Alternatively, if you're using a Windows computer you can use the key combination Alt+⇧ Shift+F to make it active. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 15:24, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

@Tenryuu, FYI, the sticky header isn't a thing for IPs. 57.140.16.7 (talk) 18:52, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for bringing that to my attention. Just tested it out and it doesn't exist. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:54, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

If you are using a browser on a PC, the box is collapsed into just the Icon when the window is narrow, and expands again to a full box when you widen the window. Try it right now on this window. -Arch dude (talk) 18:52, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

Translated page not connected to the original?

Hi, I translated the page I am what I am (2022 film) from japanese (ja:そばかす (2022年の映画), but the pages don't seem to be connected? How can I make it so that one can switch from english to japanese or vice versa on the pages? Mek-laa-ni (talk) 13:21, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

Mek-laa-ni, see Help:Interlanguage links. The language links are in the left sidebar in the old skin and at the top and to the right in the newer Wikipedia:Vector 2022. In this case both articles have wikidata items, Q120333222 and Q122902027, so the items need to be merged to link the en and ja articles. TSventon (talk) 13:42, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

Mek-laa-ni, I recommend using the merge gadget, see d:Help:Merge#Gadget, which creates a redirect on one of the items. I have redone the merge for the film. TSventon (talk) 14:00, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

Thank you very much! Mek-laa-ni (talk) 14:08, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

Prosciutto; paragraph: "See also"

On the page "Prosciutto", in the paragraph "See also", jamón serrano, jamón ibérico, presunto pata negra and presunto, as these are uncommon foods, and also on their respective pages they are placed in italics, I wanted to make them italicised in this paragraph as well, but there is no way to do this. I tried, but the description is also rendered in italics. JackkBrown (talk) 21:43, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

Hello, JackkBrown. Please read Template:Annotated link#Foreign language text. Cullen328 (talk) 21:52, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

@Cullen328: one more thing: the wikilink "jamón serrano" doesn't perfectly refer to the paragraph where "jamón serrano" is mentioned, there should be an error somewhere. JackkBrown (talk) 21:53, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

@Cullen328: The problem has not been solved. The description still remained in italics. JackkBrown (talk) 21:56, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

@JackkBrown You need to use more parameters in {{annotated link}} to control how text is displayed. Bazza (talk) 22:08, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

JackkBrown, in an average week you put X hours into attempts to regularize the use of capitals and italics. If you instead spent just X/4 hours on referencing under-referenced articles, Wikipedia would be a better place, in my (perhaps minority) opinion. 126.158.255.241 (talk) 22:15, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

Dear IP, I did this kind of work on the Gianni Morandi page. Anyway, you are a little bit right. JackkBrown (talk) 22:39, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

November 9

Why are the "what links here" pages wildly inaccurate?

I clicked the "what links here" feature on General relativity priority dispute, landing on https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:WhatLinksHere/General_relativity_priority_dispute&limit=500

91 entires a listed but very few of the pages listed actually have such links.

Is that expected? Common?

Thanks! Johnjbarton (talk) 01:34, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

Is there a {{History of physics}} nav box at the bottom of all (most) of those articles? That nav box links to General relativity priority dispute.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 01:40, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

Of course, thanks! I looked for one at the top and didn't know about the one at the bottom. Johnjbarton (talk) 02:12, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

Links from transcluded templates - navboxes in particular - are the most common culprit here, as Trappist the monk says. This is a very long-standing bug and unlikely ever to be fixed. Besides the technical side of things, a lot of things we do depend on its current behavior - if we link to a userpage with {{userlinks}} or an article with {{la}} or {{DRV links}} or whatever, we want that page to show the incoming link.

Another cause is that WhatLinksHere is abused by the devs to keep track of every page that would need to be updated if General relativity priority dispute were to be deleted, so the {{#ifexist}} parserfunction and everything similar causes a fake link to show up from the page they're used on, sometimes as a normal link, sometimes as a transclusion, depending on how the page is referenced. This is why, for example, whatlinkshere claims the article transcludes itself, and why it claims its talk page does (though the talk page, somewhat unusually, does contain a legitimate link to it, displayed on the {{copied}} template). This also is a longstanding bug, though there's at least some hope it'll someday be dealt with properly. —Cryptic 02:24, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

See User:PrimeHunter/Source links.js for a method to avoid links from transcluded templates. On General relativity priority dispute it produces Source links. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:59, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

Which is an excellent stopgap so far as it goes (and one that's been pointed out to me before, so I really should've remembered it), but it's still only a stopgap. There's just too many ways to link to an article in the sense that we'd want to find them - in particular, not from a navbox - that it can't find. That search, for example, doesn't find the link from Template:History of physics, since it links to the article as [[General_relativity_priority_dispute|General relativity]] - and sometimes using underscores in the link is correct, as with T_T. It's also not tolerant to whitespace at the start or end of links, or extra whitespace in the middle (which all create identical-looking links); it won't see links generated by genuine linking templates like {{section link|General relativity priority dispute|Did Einstein develop the field equations independently?}}; and it can't reliably search for pages not in the main namespace (since it only accounts for capitalization of the first letter of the namespace, not the page title). Some of that's fixable, sure, and much of it's rare enough that it's not worth bothering to fix. But it's only ever going to be able to find most inbound links, not all of them. —Cryptic 04:48, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

As someone who edits in a non technical manner, I often want to know that a page is linked to through transcluded templates in this manner. It would be unhelpful if WLH didn't include these links. Furius (talk) 06:24, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

Martineau family

Could the recently added photo of Sir William Martineau be placed up further in the section devoted to him? Can it be trimmed so that there is no black line at the top please? Thanks. 115.70.23.77 (talk) 02:41, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

The reason the photo is so far down is because the article has three other images stacked on top of each other higher up, which is pushing all of the other files down. Before we get any farther, though--that image looks like it was directly taken from a commercial site, which gives me some serious concerns about whether Wikipedia or Wikimedia Commons can actually host that image. (Copyright infringement is a very real and serious issue, and while the image description does claim it was taken in 1927 (and thus would be in the public domain if I'm understanding copyright law right--which I'm probably not, and I'm also not seeing anything on the original website actually affirming that date...), it's still their image that you directly copied and uploaded.) 2603:8001:4542:28FB:114C:5267:6A5A:C9D2 (talk) 03:19, 9 November 2023 (UTC) (Please send talk messages here instead)

When copyright expires on an image, which is on January 1 of the year following 95 years after publication, then it goes into the public domain. A commercial website may continue to host the image hoping that a gullible person will inadvertently pay them to use the image, but the image is truly no longer "theirs", and anybody can use the image for any purpose without asking for permission. That is what public domain means. Cullen328 (talk) 03:30, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

It seems that the website is selling a physical photo, not the rights to use a digital image. GoingBatty (talk) 06:51, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

Please - could the image of Sir William Martineau at the bottom of the page be made smaller - it is too big. Also, ref number 90 is a "word press" citation and maybe not quite right. Also, both references number 89 and 91 are in red. Please fix. I get exhausted/confused but I really appreciate your assistance as always. Thank you 175.38.42.62 (talk) 06:36, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

1. See Help:Pictures#Thumbnail sizes for various options.
2. What's not right about the Wordpress citation?
3. Remove the © symbol from the |date= parameters.

Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 06:49, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

Sadly, I could not reduce the size of the photo of Sir William Martineau. Please help if able. Appreciated 175.38.42.62 (talk) 07:16, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

I've done it by adding |upright, as has been done on others.

However, I've also enforced MOS:SANDWICH further up the article which has made worse the misplacement of images you referred to above. There are too many pages for the amount of text, and you may need to consider which might be removed. Bazza (talk) 10:13, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

Hello 175.38.42.62. Along with the image that's been reduced by Bazza, I've done my best to rearrange other nearby images.

In the section, "Sir Thomas Martineau and family", I've kept the portrait in the right corner. However, I've moved the news and the artwork image into a center gallery located at the bottom of the section. As the WP:MOS rule states to avoid MOS:SANDWICH, this is the best I can do. Without doing this, the portraits of Sir William Martineau and Francis Martineau Lupton would be in an awkward location. I've also added spaces between each section with the images.

As I do not want to remove the images without your consensus, I've done this rearrange just to make the article look better. Regards. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 10:52, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

Tapas

I am undecided whether to italicise "tapas", have you main heard of this food? To me, the article seems quite long, so if I guess it is a common food. JackkBrown (talk) 12:57, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

Tapas is fairly well known, so I wouldn't italicize it. Clarityfiend (talk) 13:10, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

Just put "tapas bar London" (or any other big city, I'd guess) into a search engine and you will get plenty of the best 10,20 or 30 come up. See as an example this. I think that tapas have got their passports and joined the international jet-set. Martin of Sheffield (talk) 14:53, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

The rule of thumb is not to italicize a word if it appears (in roman) in a standard English dictionary. Incidentally, tapas is not "a food" but virtually any appetizer or snack the restaurant decides to call tapas. Shantavira|^{feed me} 14:06, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

No words...

I don't like to complain, but I would like to point out that there are several pages (many corrected by me in countless hours of hard work) containing a term in italics and the same term not in italics. Honestly, it's horrible to see this, it's very confusing. Either we decide not to create italics any more or we keep the homogeneity. It's not possible that there are people who don't know how to edit correctly (luckily there's me). JackkBrown (talk) 16:57, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

I think you have overfixating on a specific style point, while I think it is worthwhile, there are many dimensions to improving the wiki and enforcing a simpler homogeneity is not the best solution. Remsense聊 17:04, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

Among these many dimensions, JackkBrown, is the improvement of non-trivial aspects of articles (and drafts) on Italian matters. I've just spent some time on Draft:Church of Santa Filomena of Ugento, rather obviously a translation of it:Chiesa di Santa Filomena (Ugento), which is about a promising subject (a lot better than hundreds of borderline-vanity drafts on minor personages) but grievously underreferenced. I was unable to help it much. The sources that are mentioned are in Italian, which I can't read but you can. Whether this should be "Church of Santa Filomena of Ugento", "Church of Santa Filomena (Ugento)", "Church of St Philomena (Ugento)", "Church of St. Filomena (Ugento)" or something else again is of minor importance compared to its other problems. And it points me to the article Ugento, which is dreadful, nowhere near as good as it:Ugento would be if only the latter were decently referenced. -- Hoary (talk) 00:55, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

@Hoary: this afternoon I will read all the sources in Italian. JackkBrown (talk) 01:03, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

Hoary likes this. 01:15, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

Lots of times people will add new text without carefully reading the existing article. Making style consistent within an article is an admirable goal and positive change. I'm often guilty of oversights like this, adding wikilinks to redirects where the article has a link to the redirect target (or vice versa), and similar incautions.

There's nothing wrong with contributing positively by making styles consistent within an article, and I also believe it's not something to become upset about. Anytime I find myself getting upset with previous editors in the course of my chosen gnoming work (citation repair), I remind myself it's a task I've chosen to perform, and take a break if I need to. Volunteer work is ever thus. Folly Mox (talk) 17:12, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

I would like to complain that there are thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands of articles in Wikipedia which are so bad that they they should be deleted or rewritten from scratch. I care about this, but (like many of us) not so much that I'm prepared to spend much time fixing them.

If you care about what is to me an utterly trivial inconsistency in Wikipedia articles, fine. But I wish you'd stop coming here and asking us what you should do about them. You care about it: you fix it. If somebody disagrees, they'll let you know soon enough. ColinFine (talk) 17:14, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

JackkBrown, to enlarge on ColinFine's last sentence, one of Wikipedia's standard editing procedures is WP:BRD – Bold, Revert, Discuss.

This means that if you think something should be changed, you Boldly edit it (with a clear Edit summary); if someone else disagrees with your edit, they Revert it (with an Edit summmary explaining why); and if you disagree with their reason, the two of you Discuss it on the Article's Talk page, or either of your personal Talk pages, whichever you both prefer, and come to a consensus.

There is no need to continually come to the Help desk (or Teahouse) to canvass the opinions of all of us here. If you are so frequently unsure whether what you want to do is correct or not, it suggests that you are not yet competent to do it. That is quite understandable, as (a) these are technical matters (which I myself had to be professionally trained in when I worked in Publishing), and (b) you are doing this in a second language whose rules and customs differ markedly from your own, and has more complicated rules because of its complicated evolution. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.2.5.208 (talk) 18:05, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

Geographic Location Dot Does Not Appear When Clicking On Map

This is a long term issue. I feel I saw a discussion about this many years ago, but can't find it. It would seem like a very easy fix to Wikipedia code to allow the location dot to persist when we click a location map on all places in Wikipedia. Tallard (talk) 18:44, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

@Tallard: The infobox in London places a red dot on top of File:United Kingdom relief location map.jpg. The latter is the file page for a file which is displayed in 339 pages at the English Wikipedia and thousands in other languages. A file page always just displays the uploaded file regardless how you got there. It would be difficult to change and the potential implementations I can think of would also have disadvantages like confusing users who expect to see the real file when they click it. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:10, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

Thanks. Users won't be "confused". When a reader clicks on a map, we expect a zoom action, not an unrelated different file. If Wikipedia coding causes clicking that item to lead us to a different file, then that is a thoroughly mis-thought-out code. If I want a map of England, I won't go to the London article. If I want to be able to better see where London is in England, I click on the map for a zoom. Surely this discussion has been had before, possibly ad nauseam?Tallard (talk) 16:07, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

@Tallard: This isn't Google Maps. It's literally an image with a pushpin added on top. Most images on articles take readers to the file page, as intended. If you're having trouble looking at it, might I suggest using your browser's innate zoom feature? There might be a problem once you pass the image's resolution, but that's what implementing a change in function would do either way.

You are, of course, welcome to propose this over at a venue like Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals). —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:34, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

IP Blocked

I get the message "This IP has been blocked from editing Wikipedia" with an IPv6 /31 that I am not a part of. This occurs only on my phone and not on any of my other devices behind the same IP, and occurs despite me being logged into a named account. Is there a fix for this so I can edit from my phone? Celjski Grad (talk) 19:49, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

You could try applying for an IP block exemption. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 19:53, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

Thank you, I will try there. Celjski Grad (talk) 19:55, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

Factual update edit removed?

Thank you for your help ahead. I edited the Cultural section on my home town of Lompoc, California and the next day the edit was removed and reverted back to misleading, incorrect information. I expect I did something wrong, but no idea what? The edit was made November 8, and was removed by Nov 9. I am Brian Cole and was the owner of Howlin’ Byroon’s Music Exchange 2009-2014. Perhaps my edit was too lengthy? Blue1125Seal (talk) 20:31, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

The edit summary on the revert was "Unsourced advertisement" and I agree. Your lengthy addition [1] was completely unsourced, and served as little but a promo for your former store. Meters (talk) 20:37, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

[Edit Conflict and Courtesy link: Lompoc, California].

Hi Blue1125Seal! The reverter, Adflatuss, correctly left an edit summary (see in the article's View history tab) saying in part "unsourced advertisement".

This means there were two major problems with your text, each alone requiring (by Wikipedia's rules) its removal:

(i) The text was unsourced. How does anyone know you weren't making it all up? (People do do this, or try to.) Everything in Wikipedia is supposed to be verifiable by readers, and that means every factual passage has to be cited to a reference from a published Reliable source.

(ii) The text read like an advertisement for the activities of Brian Cole (yourself) and for the Calvert Theater you were/are associated with, so was promotional, which is not allowed in Wikipedia. An encyclopaedia is not at all the same thing as a guidebook.

Sorry to disappoint you, but if we do not maintain strict standards for what we allow, which means citing everything and maintaining strict Neutrality, Wikipedia would degenerate into an untrustworthy free-for-all. Everything you wrote was probably 'true', but it needed to show that it was true (via references) and it needed to be expressed in neutral, encyclopaedic style. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.2.5.208 (talk) 20:55, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

@Blue1125Seal: However, if there is incorrect info in the article, and that info is unsourced, you can remove it. -Arch dude (talk) 21:28, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

Thank you Arch dude Blue1125Seal (talk) 01:02, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

Talk Page

Where is the talk page on an article for me to suggest edits? Will.Monroe FMDefense (talk) 21:29, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

@Will.Monroe FMDefense: There should be a button that says "Talk" directly underneath the title of the article that will open the talk page. If you're looking to make an edit request, you might instead want to use the edit request wizard, which will help you to do so. Tollens (talk) 21:33, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for this, I wasn't aware that was a thing. 331dot (talk) 21:34, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

Will.Monroe FMDefense (edit conflict) The exact location of the link can vary depending on which "skin" you are using to view Wikipedia and if you are in mobile or desktop mode; if you are in desktop mode, there is a "talk" link at the top left of the article next to the words "project page". If you tell which article you are interested in, we can provide a link for you. 331dot (talk) 21:33, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

What should I do?

I made an account here because I thought there would be ways I could improve Wikipedia. However, I realized too late that there is a lot of stuff here that I have no clue about what it is, and the stuff I do know about, I can't find any way to improve it. I feel kind of stuck here, in this phase of not being able to do anything. Honestly, I feel like all I can ever be here is just someone who reverts vandalism because I can't edit the things I know about. I really don't know what I should do here, as reverting vandalism is good, but I want to do more helpful things here. ThatOneWolf ^{(talk|contribs)} 21:31, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

ThatOneWolf You could try going to the Community Portal which has some tasks available that can be done. 331dot (talk) 21:35, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

ThatOneWolf, random Canadian guys who play Minecraft a lot are not condemned to a life of Minecraft and Wikipedia and their likely long-term effects. Go to a museum or three, find a new interest, cultivate it, read a book about it, explore it some more, read more about it, consider editing Wikipedia articles about it. -- Hoary (talk) 23:11, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

Ok, thanks for the suggestions. Also, don't worry Hoary, I do things outside as well, lol. ThatOneWolf ^{(talk|contribs)} 23:34, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

ThatOneWolf, I highly recommend the "go to a museum" option, taking along a good smartphone or digital camera. Many of my contributions over 14 years resulted from museum visits where I photographed the most interesting and unique objects and their imformative labels. In many cases, you have probably taken the best freely licensed photo of the object, and learned enough to make substantive improvements to the relevant Wikipedia article, after a bit of work with your favorite search engine. Cullen328 (talk) 09:29, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

@ThatOneWolf, Wikipedia:Requested articles has a huge list of things someone thinks should be a WP-article. Some of them may actually be good ideas. Perhaps you can find an idea there that interests you. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:57, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

Albert Kitson, 2nd Baron Airedale

Reference number 18 is a bit odd - the quote comes up on a general google search but once I go to the citation (number 18) itself - I cannot find the quote that is relevant. What's going on? Thanks for any advice 115.70.23.77 (talk) 22:38, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

Click on citation number 18, and you don't see the quote in the visible text. However, view the HTML source and you'll see the quote in line 557 in a blog comment text. GoingBatty (talk) 22:53, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

Here's what you want to reference:

The Kitson's [sic] London home, 3 Cadogan Square, was damaged by a bomb during the Second World War and they moved to Stansted in Essex.

Here's what you say you want to source that with:

"Having been bombed out their home in Cardigan Square, London in 1940, Lord and Lady Airedale had lived at Stansted, Essex where they both died; Baroness ..."

That's your ellipsis, not mine. Why not cut "; Baroness ..."? And in my idiolect, "bombed out their home" is odd; I'd have "bombed out of their home".

This doesn't appear in the cited source as I read it, either. But GoingBatty has deftly located it. Here it is, at greater length:

Albert Kitson, 2nd Baron Airedale of Gledhow (1863-1944) was educated at Rugby and Trinity College, Cambridge, where he gained a BA. Royal author and journalist Claudia Joseph wrote in 2021 that Lord Airedale and his wife Florence "lived in 17th Century Gledhow Hall – famously painted by William Turner – and attended the Coronation of George V. Their daughters Doris and Evelyn were debutantes who did the society season and were presented at Court. In her post-war memoirs, Doris’s sister Evelyn recalled a ‘memorable time’ when evenings were filled with many balls where everybody knew each other ‘partly because so many guests were relatives’. Roedean-educated Olive Middleton was close to her Airedale cousins, attending society balls at Gledhow. Later, during the First World War, the house was converted into a Voluntary Aid Detachment hospital run by the Red Cross and the newly married Olive worked there as a nurse with her second cousin Doris, a fellow old Roedeanian". The Duchess of Cambridge (née Catherine Middleton) visited London's Imperial War Museum in 2018 to read records stating that her great-grandmother Olive Middleton was "in residence" - on and off - as a VAD nurse at Gledhow Hall from May 1915 to April 1917. By 1928, the Gledhow Hall estate was being sub-divided. By 1929, the old hall itself had been reportedly divided into two flats. Having been bombed out their home in Cardigan Square, London in 1940, Lord and Lady Airedale had lived at Stansted, Essex where they both died; Baroness Airedale in 1942 and Lord Airedale in 1944. As Lord Airedale had no male heirs, the barony succeeded to his half-brother Roland. The National Portrait Gallery also holds three portraits by Bassano Ltd of Hon. Angela Estelle Goff (née Kitson), one of Lord Airedale's seven daughters.

Certain mannerisms, as well as a curious degree of interest in people surnamed Middleton, seem uncannily familiar. -- Hoary (talk) 23:05, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

Yup. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:52, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

November 10

tildes? Where do I find them on my keyboard. (it's a German keyboard layout)

Where do I find tildes on my German keyboard layout? BillyBobBluesStomper2 (talk) 05:12, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

See German keyboard layout. Apparently you need to use the AltGr key key (the righthand Alt key) to shift to the third symbol on the "+" key. Meters (talk) 05:19, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

For Wikipedia purposes it might be easier to just select the sign option. This is readily available in the Text editor, but I don't know how (or if) it works in the Visual editor. Meters (talk) 05:26, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

banned?

why did i get banned 194.187.10.64 (talk) 09:13, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

What makes you think you are banned? Do you mean blocked? If you posted here you are not subject to a block, unless you have an account that was blocked- in which case you must return to your account and follow the instructions provided. 331dot (talk) 09:15, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

why did you change what i said about besiktas?! 194.187.10.64 (talk) 10:06, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

If you can't be bothered to specify either the edit or your username, don't expect people here to take the trouble to work out what these may be. -- Hoary (talk) 10:23, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

I have no idea who Besiktas is, but edits like [2] are reverted because a WP-article is not a chat-room, and if you keep making edits like that someone will block you. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:55, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

What do you do when someone (an ip editor) has provided their real name and address on a talk page?

Someone asked to cancel a service on that service's page saying they wish to cancel their subscription, with their full name and address visible. I'm not going to link it here for obvious reasons, but what is the correct procedure? Does it need to be deleted from the edit history as well or not, since its not a user revealing another users information, its a user volunarily giving information about themselves? MarkiPoli (talk) 11:08, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

User:MarkiPoli, email the oversight team. See WP:OS for more. Folly Mox (talk) 11:13, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

Since it's personally identifiable information, it will need to be suppressed for the safety of the individual involved, even though it doesn't breach WP:OUTING since it's not tied to a Wikipedia account name. Folly Mox (talk) 11:14, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

Ok, I will do that. I was a little confused because WP:OUTING doesn't say anything about an editor accidentally or deliberately posting their own information. Is there any specific policy regarding this? MarkiPoli (talk) 11:27, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

User:MarkiPoli, yes: WP:OSPOL, number 1. Folly Mox (talk) 12:55, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

Yes, please ensure you send a request to the oversight email when you see instances of editors posting addresses, telephone numbers and other personally identifying information on Wikipedia (speaking with my oversighter hat on).-- Ponyo^{bons mots} 19:29, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

List not ordered

All info in List of unsolved murders in Canada is just randomly added instead of chronologically. Can someone please put these in chronological order because it looks amateurish and ugly this way. Aquatic Ambiance (talk) 14:18, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

The article isn't protected. You can be bold and edit it yourself! ThatOneWolf ^{(talk|contribs)} 14:48, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

Citing throughout a multivolume work

Hi! I want to elegantly use this new work throughout a few articles, but it's in eight (relatively brief) volumes, and it doesn't seem likely that page numbers for the omnibus version would be helpful. Is there a canonical way of an inline citation that just bundles the volume and page number? I didn't see one. Remsense聊 14:59, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

Here is a cite to a multi-volume series with a two-part treatment of a single area (Battersea) with chapters separately number in online PDFs - if you look at the source, you should be able to pick out the bits that are needed for your reference. (I admit it took me months to get it into this shape.)

Saint, Andrew; Thom, Colin (2013). "Chapter 8: Industry" (PDF). Battersea. Part 1:Public, Commercial and Cultural. Survey of London. Vol. 49. New Haven: Yale University Press. p. 12. ISBN 978-0-300-19616-0. Retrieved 20 March 2023. -- Verbarson  ^talk_edits 15:42, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

(edit conflict){{sfn|Xiang|2023|loc=vol 5, p 234}} for example? [Dummy citation to remove big red error! Xiang (2023), A Brief History of the Chinese Language] Martin of Sheffield (talk) 15:49, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

Thank you and @Verbarson, I think I'm going to go with the {{sfn|loc=}} method for now. Remsense聊 16:11, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

References

I have a question about the reference desk.

Question asked, and answered. Wikipedia is not social media. Reference desks are for asking questions only.
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
Is off topic things allowed on the Miscellaneous part of the reference desk? —The Industrial Me 1563 (talk) 16:55, 10 November 2023 (UTC) @The Industrial Me 1563: Ask on its talk page. Remember that all responders are volunteers, so even if you ask an OT question, and even if the community thinks it's OK to do so, nobody is obliged to respond. -Arch dude (talk) 18:02, 10 November 2023 (UTC) Is OT questions allowed on the talk page of the Miscellaneous part of the reference desk? Yes or no? —The Industrial Me 1563 (talk) 18:42, 10 November 2023 (UTC) By definition the Miscellaneous desk is for topics not covered by the other desks. So I suppose it depends what you mean by "off topic". DuncanHill (talk) 18:47, 10 November 2023 (UTC) Would I get blocked if I publish any OT questions on the Miscellaneous desk or it’s talk page? And, what if we have a dedicated off topic form on Wikipedia and Wikipedia Commons? —The Industrial Me 1563 (talk) 18:52, 10 November 2023 (UTC) Neither Wikipedia nor Commons have 'off topic forums'. That isn't the purpose of the project. AndyTheGrump (talk) 19:08, 10 November 2023 (UTC) All of the Reference desks are for asking factual questions. I cannot imagine any factual question that would be "off-topic", although obviously facecious, libellous, provocative or obscene questions will receive short shrift (meaning 4.). Questions about how to edit/use Wikipedia can be asked at the Teahouse (for beginners) or the Help desk (for more experienced users). The only other thing to remember is that Wikipedia is not social media, and is not intended for idle chat. Outside of those parameters, and at the risk of tempting fate, what, The Industrial Me 1563, would you consider to be a hypothetical example of an "off-topic question"? {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.2.5.208 (talk) 19:15, 10 November 2023 (UTC) My hypothetical off topic question would be “Click on the link!” and it would take you to a rickroll. Anyways, should I trust that IP or ignore them? —The Industrial Me 1563 (talk) 19:31, 10 November 2023 (UTC) if you were supposed to categorically ignore IPs, they wouldn't be allowed to post. Remsense聊 19:33, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

Implementing a template on Wikipedia

Are there any tech experts out there that might have a clue on how to approach the topic at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#Implementation of Template:Refideas editnotice? BOZ (talk) 16:59, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

Hamas

Hamas is designated a terrorist organization by the US and most democratic governments and responsible people. Please make this correction. Blandy28 (talk) 19:52, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

@Blandy28: Please see MOS:TERRORIST. Tollens (talk) 20:05, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

Multiref anchors

Do any of the multiref bundle templates support adding a name ID so that they may be anchored using something like Template:SfnRef? Krisgabwoosh (talk) 20:37, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

Skipped a step in merge process

I performed a merge of Biologics for immunosuppression into Biological response modifiers earlier, and in following WP:PROMERGE I provided the wrong copyright-required edit summary on the actual moving of content. I followed up on Biological response modifiers with a dummy edit with the required edit summary, which hopefully is fine. But, since Biologics for immunosuppression was made a redirect, when I try to make a dummy edit with the copyright-required edit summary, it's not appearing in that page's history. Kimen8 (talk) 21:04, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

Mobile media viewer caption issue

The caption for this image in the mobile version of MediaViewer is currently some weird string of code (see below). Any ideas on how to fix this?

“ Parties to Geneva Conventions and Protocols .mw-parser-output .div-col{margin-top:0.3em;column-width:30em}.mw-parser-output .div-col-small{font-size:90%}.mw-parser-output .div-col-rules{column-rule:1px solid #aaa}.mw-parser-output .div-col dl,.mw-parser-output .div-col ol,.mw-parser-output .div-col ul{margin-top:0}.mw-parser-output .div-col li,.mw-parser-output .div-col dd{page-break-inside:avoid;break-inside:avoid-column} .mw-parser-output .legend{page-break-inside:avoid;break-inside:avoid-column}.mw-parser-output .legend-color{display:inline-block;min-width:1.25em;height:1.25em;line-height:1.25;margin:1px 0;text-align:center;border:1px solid black;background-color:transparent;color:black}.mw-parser-output .legend-text{} Parties to GC I–IV and P I–III Parties to GC I–IV and P I and III Parties to GC I–IV and P III Parties to GC I–IV and P I–II[note 1] Parties to GC I–IV and P I Parties to GC I–IV and no P ”

Thanks, Andumé (talk) 21:08, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

@I Am Andumé: A similar case was reported 25 October at phab:T211444. Until a patch is made and deployed, a possible fix here would be to only have pure text in the image caption at Fourth Geneva Convention#Part I. General provisions, but I don't think we should do that. It's useful to most readers to have the legend in the caption. If we move it outside the caption then it may not be moved back in when the bug has been fixed. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:59, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the answer. I agree that the legend should be kept in the caption (after all, you can still see it properly outside of MediaViewer). Andumé (talk) 22:40, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

Is there a bot that can do this task?

The Organized crime task force and the Serial killer task force banners recently got added to the banner of Template:WikiProject Crime and Criminal Biography using parameters. The previous banners (as wrappers of the new one with the parameters) were mass substituted. This has left ~6700 (see Category:Unknown-importance Crime-related articles, not counting ones that didn't have an initial basic crime importance) duplicates, that have both the original crime importance and task force importance but split between two duplicate banners. Is there any bot that can merge the importance values on the pages that have both templates so there aren't so many duplicates? Of course the ones that were not initially tagged with the original crime ones will have to be manually tagged as they don't have the basic importance parameter, but that's 500 which isn't as bad.

Sorry if I didn't explain this well D: PARAKANYAA (talk) 22:37, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

November 11

Heneage Finch, 3rd Earl of Winchilsea

Ref 6 is in red, please repair if able - thanks 58.179.137.31 (talk) 04:07, 11 November 2023 (UTC)