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Bloody Sunday

Orchastrattor, per WP:INTDAB intentional links to disambiguation pages always go through an article title that contains '(disambiguation)', even if that is a redirect. This lets editors and readers know that the link is intentional and not a mistake that needs to be fixed. I don't know what "It. lit." is or what it meant by "piping is fine for other disambigs", as this clearly goes against MOS. Also, why does the unpiped version look uglier when they have the same text? Leschnei (talk) 12:34, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

Sorry if I wasn't clear, MOS:DABREDIR states that "Redirecting may be appropriate when linking to another disambiguation page" and I meant that having the "redirected from example" at the top of such a small page makes it look really cluttered. Also INTDAB you shortcut specifically states that this rule only applies to mainspace articles so given the fact that we're talking about a "see also" section on a disambig I do not believe my solution directly violates any WP guidelines. Sorry for any confusion.

I see that you've further edited Bloody Sunday, but for the record, disambiguation pages are in mainspace (WP:MAINSPACE), and one of the examples listed at WP:INTDAB is specifically about disambiguation pages. MOS:DABSEEALSO also states that disambiguation links on a DAB page should go through '(disambiguation)'. Leschnei (talk) 12:56, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

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Hello @Valjean: Thank you for your message but I do not see how my additions to the lead were unreflective of the article body, and I would be more than happy to provide the necessary sources to justify my edits given that they consisted of:

1. A minor grammatical change from "favor" to "find merit in", which means essentially the same thing but helps better position polygenism as a fringe theory in a modern scientific context to reflect the following;

2. Added mention of how Darwinian monogenism relates the Out of Africa hypothesis, with the conflict between polygenism and the Theory of Evolution presented in my edit being corroborated almost verbatim by the opening and closing paragraphs of Polygenism#Effect of evolutionary ideas and debates from the 1860s. Again I would be more than happy to re-cite the sources necessary for this in the lead itself, but I do not see why such an issue could not have been handled via a template and a user ping in place of assuming bad faith on my part.

3. Rewritten a sentence discussing racial inequality, changed to white supremacy instead. I would be willing to widen the scope to racial supremacy to avoid editorializing however I still feel that the original was confusing and inaccurate in its phrasing, as "advancing inequality" is something you would say of a social policy rather than a theoretical model; it can be used to justify certain actions but it doesn't make any sense to say it advances those actions itself (particularly given that the link in question lead to social inequality as a sociological reality rather than an ideological theory).

4. Specified the actual relation between racial supremacy and polygenism to give context for the above. I apologize if this specifically wasn't reflective of the body but my understanding of the relationship in question came from reading the articles serpent seed and Pre-Adamite, so it wouldn't have been that difficult to simply copy the citations over if I was made aware of the need for it.

5. Added a short explanation of the differences between Biblical polygenism, Co-Adamism, and Scientific polygenism (with all of the terms and definitions in question taken almost directly from the article body). Even if the specific way I framed the differences in question isn't to your satisfaction (something I would be happy to discuss further on assumption of good faith) the information itself is still crucial to include in one form or another given how much of the article body is spent distinguishing and discussing these differing theories.

6. Bolded a term effectively synonymous with the article title, which I hope to be fairly self-explanatory per MOS:BOLDSYN. Orchastrattor (talk) 22:14, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of James Tissot

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Your GA nomination

Hi @Orchastrattor. I wanted to let you know that, unfortunately, I had to quick-fail your recent GA nomination for James Tissot due to copyright violations. You will receive a separate automated notice about the nomination, but I wanted to clarify my reasoning. According to the Earwig report the article has a very high copyvio match, although it is clear that in at least one instance, it was the external site copying content from the Wikipedia article (i.e. false alarm). However, the report provides more than one source, which is particularly concerning considering how recent the nomination was. If you would like to renominate the article once these issues are addressed to make sure there is no copyright concerns, please feel free to do so. Ppt91^talk 20:24, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

User:Ppt91 All three of the top Earwig results appear to be false alarms. The Tate bio is attributed to WP and is the only one out of the three featuring text from after I began contributing to the article in February, however the other two match exceedingly closely to the 15th of February revision just before my first edit. The Hellenica World page goes as far as to lift the captions for different images without displaying the images themselves ("The Circle of the Rue Royale, a scene in Paris seen from the balcony of the Hôtel de Coislin overlooking the Place de la Concorde." and "Portrait of James Tissot by Edgar Degas, c.1866-67"). I went though the page history and Hellenica seems to be primarily drawing from around Around 10th of April 2015, when most of the body text started to get nailed down to what it was in the February 2023 version but still had some considerable changes left to be made, though there are a few other matches such as 30th October 2019 when someone in "Early life" changed "Catholic" to "Catholic christian" only to have it reverted an edit later, while the Harbor Creek page seems to be drawn from some point after 28th of January 2019, when someone awkwardly crowbarred in a very specific spiel about Partie Carree into a widely unrelated paragraph. Orchastrattor (talk) 22:13, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

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DYK for James Tissot

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Reba McEntire

In your edit at Reba McEntire, you removed the explanation of what "Reba's Ranch House" is, with the edit summary Why was this here? I would propose that the material was there to explain the nature of the charitable work that McEntire is doing at "Reba's Ranch House". That seems a logical bit of content for the article. Can I ask why you thought it needed to be removed? WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 16:26, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

It's an unsourced piece of information violating WP:BLP and was written in a promotional tone violating WP:SOAPBOX, alongside a very poorly-written comparison to an unrelated (and un-linked) organization. If it is to be included it must have a reliable source that is either paraphrased in an encyclopedic tone or qualified as coming from a specific, potentially biased source. Thank you. Orchastrattor (talk) 16:33, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

I don't really think it's promotional to state the nature of the work that McEntire's charity performs. It is merely informative. And the comparison to Ronald McDonald House is given for context: people generally understand the nature of service that RMH provides, and this sentence merely presented "Reba's Ranch House" as a similar service. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 16:43, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

The description hinged on unverified and arguably unverifiable buzzwords, namely "holistic", "sensitive", and "spiritual". Such a description must either be quoted directly from a properly cited source, or should be rewritten entirely to comply with Wikipedia's standards and match any of the sources cited. The RMcDH comparison will have to be verified separately as well, it's a piece of BLP information same as anything else. Orchastrattor (talk) 16:57, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

I've restored a neutral version of the description, with proper citations. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 17:08, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

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Priddis?

See Morgan's article 2603:7000:2101:AA00:516B:14A:BA7C:ACAA (talk) 05:50, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

Copy the citation over then. Orchastrattor (talk) 05:51, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

Look here - I followed convention. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_of_Canadians#Politicians — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:7000:2101:AA00:516B:14A:BA7C:ACAA (talk) 05:54, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

That is a list of people who are Canadian, not people who are form a specific place. Place of birth or residence requires direct citations per the Wikipedia policy on biography of living persons. Orchastrattor (talk) 05:57, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

Excuse me, but you seem unfamiliar with convention. See List of people from Toronto. Are you inclined to delete all the names in that list? Of course not. Same at List of people from Montreal. So please respect convention here as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:7000:2101:AA00:516B:14A:BA7C:ACAA (talk) 06:03, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

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That article includes sources, they simply aren't included in inline references, as noted by the large maintenance tag at the top of the page. Orchastrattor (talk) 06:11, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

The vast, overwhelming majority have sources only at the target page. Same as here. Are you about to as a result delete the vast majority that do not have sources on the page in question? Of course not. Dozens of editors who put those names there would all be visiting this page - saying what are you doing? Just as I am. Also, look at all the pages like List of people from Kingston, Ontario - which don't even have such a reference atop the page. Same at List of people from London, Ontario. Are you going to delete that entire page? And all the pages that look like that? If you are going to delete here, go ahead and delete the hundreds of thousands at all the other Canadian city pages. Otherwise, you are cherry picking, unfairly, for no good reason. Kindly self-revert. If you want to put the same reference atop the page, feel free. Though that may well be considered odd. But nobody deletes - that's not convention at all. Even on "people who are from a specific place." Look for yourself. 2603:7000:2101:AA00:516B:14A:BA7C:ACAA (talk) 06:19, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

If they don't have sources they should be tagged as such, just because one page isn't fully verified doesn't mean others should remain unverified as well. That is a complete violation of one of the Five Pillars of Wikipedia. Orchastrattor (talk) 06:23, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

Go crazy. You have lots of tagging to do. You can start with the thousands of such entries on the Canadian location articles. The vast majority - as you can very well see - of the entries only have a ref at the target page. Go ahead. But don't delete them here. Unless you plan to delete all the others. Which of course you should not do. But feel free to restore and tag or leave a note atop the page. Though it's obviously silly. The reason convention is what you can see is because that is what is acceptable editing at the Project. What's not acceptable is deleting the entry, as you did, when you can very well see the ref at the target page. As is the case with the vast, vast majority of the pages I pointed you to. 2603:7000:2101:AA00:516B:14A:BA7C:ACAA (talk) 06:27, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

If I see an unregistered user adding unsourced BLP who then defends it by claiming universal convention across the website when they do not even know conventions as basic as signing comments then it's pretty natural for that to take precedence. Have a good day. Orchastrattor (talk) 06:30, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

If that is your reason - really, that I missed signing one of my messages? - that's not reason to delete. Because of all the reasons I point to above, I am reverting you. Feel free to tag if you wish. But do not revert. That would be against all the hundreds of entries I pointed you to above. And I did not "claim" - I provided you with the evidence. Also, please go gently with IPs - they have the same rights to add text as I have done here as you do. You are not supposed to treat them as second class citizens. Especially when they have been kind enough to point out to you that your misunderstanding (this is how we do it with locales) is .. just that. 2603:7000:2101:AA00:516B:14A:BA7C:ACAA (talk) 06:42, 21 November 2023 (UTC)r

Don't close community discussions in which you are involved

Hello,

You recently closed a category move discussion in which you were involved, as having expressed an opinion and contributed the majority of the comments in the discussion. As a general rule, it is better to leave the closing of community discussions to uninvolved experienced editors (see WP:Non-admin closure) and closing a discussion in which you are involved is not considered to be very civil. Please also note that closing category discussions follow specific steps (WP:CfDClosings) due to being technically different, which you did not follow. In this case, I believe that more time should have been left for the discussion to develop as it was not unanimous enough for a 7-day closure.

Please revert your closing. Kindly consider this an amicable advice, as I don't think that any sanction of any type should be looked upon for this action taken alone. However, if you fail to revert it on your own, it is likely that I or another editor will report you to the Administrators' noticeboard, where editing restrictions could be applied to you eventually. Place Clichy (talk) 09:27, 21 November 2023 (UTC)