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December 11

Antonio Porta (author)

Is there a page or portal where I can report pages without any reference (e.g.: Antonio Porta (author))? I have inserted the template, but I don't think it's sufficient. JackkBrown (talk) 01:14, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

JackkBrown, you can discuss improvements to pages on relevant WikiProjects. Regardless of that, if a given page is not a candidate for deletion or a violation of BLP policy, it is usually not anyone's obligation to remedy it. Remsense留 01:29, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

@JackkBrown: If you cannot find any references yourself using a quick web searh, then you should prod it or open a WP:AFD. -Arch dude (talk) 04:05, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

@JackkBrown: By adding the template, you automatically categorized the article in Category:All articles lacking in-text citations. If you want, you could also add |attention=yes to the WikiProject templates on the talk page. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 05:37, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

Why is I Me Mine not listed as a Beatle Song?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Music_published_by_Harrisongs

Why is I Me Mine not listed as a Beatle Song? 204.13.63.67 (talk) 03:08, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

 Already done. IP address, the song is already listed in the "I" category. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 03:55, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

Rebecca DeTrempe

Is Rebecca DeTrempe notable. MagicalPrince863 (talk) 04:02, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

the white countess/film 23.93.241.5 (talk) 04:50, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

responded at User talk:MagicalPrince863. -Arch dude (talk) 05:19, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

Donation

What is the address to send a donation? 76.152.173.21 (talk) 07:45, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

If you are asking for the physical address to mail a donation to, that would be

Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.
P.O. Box 98204
Washington, DC 20090-8204
USA

If you're talking about a different type of address, it may be listed at this page. If you need further help, even though we are just volunteers uninvolved with the donation process here at the Help Desk, don't hesitate to ask me! Cheers. Remsense留 07:59, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

Dropped waivers.

Dropped waivers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 102.88.45.229 (talk) 08:09, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

It's not clear what you're looking for help with – do you have a question about using or editing Wikipedia? Tollens (talk) 08:12, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

Request Desktop Website

In rare moments, my iPad Air (5th generation) will somehow switch to the mobile version of Wikipedia even though I have turned on a Safari setting that prevents the mobile version from being accessed. Why is that? Equalwidth (C) Your watchlist 09:38, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

@Equalwidth: Hmm, that doesn't usually happen to me when I access Wikipedia on a mobile device. Try clicking this link – it should tell Wikipedia that you want to use the desktop version (at least for a while – your browser might forget that saved preference eventually). If this happens again, you can swap views by scrolling to the bottom of the page and clicking the "Desktop" button in the footer. Tollens (talk) 10:16, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

@Equalwidth: I don't know which setting you refer to or when it happens but if https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Example takes you to mobile then you can try User:Þjarkur/NeverUseMobileVersion. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:48, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

How do i publish an article for the first time

How do i publish an article for the first time , i have an article which has been published in a local news paper and we need to add that information to wikipedia. Need help on how to add the article and publish in weki Themalabarhills (talk) 11:00, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

The content on your user page is thoroughly unsuitable as a Wikipedia article. Wikipedia article summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage state about a topic, showing how it is notable. Wikipedia is not a place for media outlets to publish their stories. 331dot (talk) 11:11, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

See MOS:BLP. Tutwakhamoe (talk) 11:59, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

Moreover, Themalabarhills, the content of your user page is thoroughly unsuitable as a user page. I'd move it to your "sandbox" myself, if it weren't for the facts that (i) I'm so sleepy that I can't find the "move" option, and (ii) it's so utterly unlike an article that it's perhaps better just deleted. I pass on this decision and minor chore to some other editor who's less sleepy than I now am. -- Hoary (talk) 13:12, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

I would tag for speedy deletion but it won't let me, the user page is rather an oddity. Theroadislong (talk) 13:14, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

Theroadislong, the user page is transcluded from Meta, so it would have to be deleted there. Their policy is at Meta:Meta:Deletion policy. TSventon (talk) 13:44, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Global user page describes the feature. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:58, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

I've nominated the global userpage for deletion. If declined, I wonder if it would be possible to create an empty User: page locally to avoid transcluding the non-compliant material. Folly Mox (talk) 18:52, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

We need to get this article on wikipedia as a matter of fact that , Dr. Anita Garware has made an impact on the lifes and is still continuing in social work and other feilds. Themalabarhills (talk) 08:50, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Then you need to demonstrate that Garware is wikinotable through the use of reliable sources, and that if an article is written, it is written in an encyclopedic manner instead of as some promotional ad copy. To be clear, no subject is in need of being on Wikipedia. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 13:24, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

To speak frankly, Themalabarhills, Wikipedia is not interest in your needs. The fact that you "need" to get an article on a subject into Wikipedia suggests strongly that your purpose is promotion, which is contrary to the fundamental principles of Wikipedia. ColinFine (talk) 15:57, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

Request for Information

We are associated with a project on Jainism and for that we need all data stored on wikipedia about jainism. Currently, how it works is, we ask questions on Janism and it replies, but by this, we can not ensure if I have got all data. Is there anyway that I can be sure of.

Is there any way that you can guide us in this matter? Sksandesara (talk) 11:15, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

Jainism is the main article, and there are various other articles linked from it.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 11:30, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

You can also look at the pages located in Category:Jainism. ––FormalDude (talk) 11:39, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

@Sksandesara This search shows that there are currently over 24,000 articles containing the word "jainism" in Wikipedia. Hence it would be very difficult to ensure you have a comprehensive set of data. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:59, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

@Sksandesara: You can if you wish get a copy of a snapshot of all of Wikipedia. It's big. See Wikipedia:Database download. But as you know Wikipedia itself is structured for human reading comprehension, and not as a database, so your post-processing software will be complicated. We also have a sister project named Wikidata. Wikidata is an actual database with items about a great many objects, including all Wikipedia articles, and it is structured to allow the use of queries. It's not that hard to learn to use these queries, and it might be useful to you. -Arch dude (talk) 17:31, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

Notification for Links to Pages by Other Users

Is there a way to receive notifications when a link to a page, created by someone else, is added? I'm familiar with notifications for my own page creations but interested in staying updated on links to pages by other users. Janwuf (talk) 15:17, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

@Janwuf, Hello! You mean that you'd like a notification whenever, say, Jack Hadley is added to an article (which I get since I started it)? I'm pretty sure we don't have that option. The best I can think of is looking at [1] or [2]. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:31, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

@Janwuf: You could also try "Related changes" under Tools on Jack Hadley, and change "Show changes on pages linked from" to "Show changes on pages linking to". This gives [3]. It doesn't care when the link was added but if a page has added the link then it was probably edited recently and you might find it in this way. The current list is dominated by this frequently edited help desk but at least it shows the feature works. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:03, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

@Janwuf: You could also run something like this search occasionally. GoingBatty (talk) 04:15, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

I wrote Backlinks Watchlist for this purpose. The current version requires installing it on a unix computer with access to crontab. Each install is for 1 person being notified, multiple pages watched. It's a single awk file. -- GreenC 04:37, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for your answers. Not exactly what I was looking for, but very useful anyway! Janwuf (talk) 14:48, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

There is an old request at phab:T66090. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:35, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

Page width jumping

How do I get rid of the atrocious switching of page width/white space while resizing the browser page? In some positions the text becomes unreadable, in ithers the images take half of the layour. - Altenmann >talk 18:37, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

Please, provide an example. Ruslik_Zero 20:30, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

After a more meticulous search I found the culprit: in Preferences->Gadgets -> Appearance the option "Improved appearance for mobile, narrow and wide screens" was checked. When I unchecked it, everything became fine. Despite its name it was way not an improvement (eg for article Petro Konashevych-Sahaidachny - Altenmann >talk 22:18, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

Page Marked For Deletion

A contributor is constantly requesting my page is removed as it "may be a PR piece." It isn't. I didn't even originate or contribute to it, but it's accurate and taken from interviews I've done. Today the page was marked for Deletion and a Wikipedia editor emailed me to say his colleague could write it in a complaint way for $900 - even though it already complaint. Is this some new scam where long standing contributors can be trouble makers to get money for their pals? To repeat, the page is compliant, other contributors have told this person to stop making trouble, yet I have a "Marked For Deletion" banner at the top of my page and a request for money from a Wikipedia editor. 92.19.6.165 (talk) 22:14, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

Anyone telling you that they can prevent articles from being deleted for a fee is a scammer. Beyond that though, nobody can possibly comment on the merits of an article until they are told which one it is. AndyTheGrump (talk) 22:20, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

Hi. There are several points I'd like to make about what you have said above:

• Scam warning - Please read the linked scam warning. What you have described is unfortunately a scam that has been going around and costing some people a lot of money for nothing. Do not EVER send someone money if they tell you they can prevent an article being deleted if you pay them.
• You consistently refer to "my page". Please be aware that you do not own a Wikipedia page. If you wrote a Wikipedia page, you do not own the text you contributed, you have donated your writing under the terms of the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 International License. If you are the subject of the article, it is not your page, it is Wikipedia's article about you.
• You do not indicate how it was "marked for deletion". There are three deletion processes; Speedy deletion, Proposed deletion (called "Prod"), and Articles for Deletion. Speedy deletion is for articles that meet defined criteria, including blatant advertising (think "Buy George's Widgets Today!"), which could be what the article is facing given you say the contributor says it "may be a PR piece". Articles marked for speedy deletion are subject to deletion at any time at the discretion of the deleting admin. Prod is designed to be a slower process, to give people time to object, while still allowing uncontroversial items to be deleted with little fuss. If the article in question is marked for that it will be deleted after a week if no one objects to the deletion, but you can object by removing the template at the top. Last is Articles for Deletion. That is designed for more complex or controversial articles. There will be a discussion about the article which will last a week where people opine as to if the article meets our inclusion criteria. At the end of a week (or two or 3 if there's not much participation in the discussion) an administrator will read the discussion and determine what the consenus of the participants was. If it is that, I would encourage you to read the discussion and see what issues people bring up and if you think they can be fixed.
• We would be able to provide you with better advice if you would tell us which of our 6,755,735 articles we are talking about. ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 22:48, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
• Complaints will arise from non-compliance. -- Hoary (talk) 00:16, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

". . . it's accurate and taken from interviews I've done." This immediately suggest that the article may fall foul of both lack of independence from the subject (interviews cannot count towards Notability), and of using your own Original research, which Wikipedia does not host on general principles. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.199.215.44 (talk) 14:31, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

December 12

Inquiry Regarding Recent Contribution

Dear Wikipedia Team,

I hope this message finds you well. I recently attempted to contribute information about the founding organization of Pete Capano, and I also included a reference link to support the addition. However, it appears that my contribution was rejected. I am writing to seek clarification on the specific reasons for the rejection and to inquire about the proper procedure for adding this information.

I am committed to ensuring the accuracy and relevance of the content I contribute, and I would appreciate any guidance or feedback you can provide to help me improve my contributions. Additionally, if there are specific formatting or citation requirements that I may have overlooked, I would be grateful for any pointers.

Thank you for your time and assistance. I look forward to your response.

Sincerely, 96.230.129.157 (talk) 01:43, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

Hello, IP editor. Your edit was reverted because it included formatting errors that resulted in big red error messages in the article after your edit. That is why your edit wss reverted. Please read Referencing for beginners. Please also be aware that secondary sources are strongly preferred to primary sources, such as websites associated with Capano. Cullen328 (talk) 02:31, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for your contributions. In addition to the concern brought up by the comment above, it also seems that your edit was reverted because of the content and the source are not neutral enough to be included. Your introduction of the organization that the subject founded reads like promotional material, and lacks substantial description on what the organization did and how is it notable. The two sources you provided are the official website of the said organization and a document introducing the subject as a candidate, neither of which are independent enough to be suitable sources. Tutwakhamoe (talk) 02:33, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

Hi there! We encourage people to be bold and make edits to improve articles. However, sometimes another person will revert those edits. Per the Wikipedia:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle, the best place to discuss situations like this is the article's talk page: Talk:Peter Capano. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 04:07, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for everything 🙏 41.116.183.79 (talk) 12:08, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

Is this the right time to use this template?

I was planning to put the distinguish template on the top of the article West Point, New York to distinguish it from the United States Military Academy, which is also known as West Point. Would this be the correct time to use the distinguish template? ‍ ‍ Relativity ‍ ‍ 04:08, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

I don't think this is unreasonable. User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 04:23, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

Philip Meadowes

Please fix up ref. number 4 - it was difficult for me. Thank you 115.70.23.77 (talk) 04:11, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

Looks like you just need to change {{cite journal}} to {{cite web}} to resolve the error. Folly Mox (talk) 04:14, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

 Fixed 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 06:04, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

Help with personnel section

Let's say I'm writing a personnel section for an album, and a performer is credited with something unusual, such as "word bitz". This is obviously a type of vocal performance. Should I credit them for "word bitz", or "vocals"? Thank you in advance.

SupremeLordBagel (talk) 05:42, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

SupremeLordBagel, how obvious is it that "word bitz" refers to a vocal performance? Without seeing the rest of the bespoke credits, I could see it having to do with lyrical composition without contributing to the vocals. If your source says "word bitz", feel free to credit the contributor for "word bitz", with the quote marks included, citing the source that uses the term. Folly Mox (talk) 12:32, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

Full guidance is at MOS:PERSONNEL. If it's genuinely obvious that "word bitz" refers to vocals, you could say "vocals" without it being considered Original Research. Folly Mox (talk) 12:36, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for the help. I'll go with "word bitz" with quote marks. SupremeLordBagel (talk) 04:25, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

simple question?

I have been operating my own "CDC" or "Data Warehouse" for nearly two decades. Currently it is 20+ Servers/ 125+/- Virtual Servers, no less than 80 CPUs/800 Cores, 40TB RAM, and 2.2PB SAN Storage. I do all this for less than $20,000.00/year, yet I see that you are all the time asking for donations to operate this site. I wonder two things, the first is, what are you doing with all your money that you always need more, and second is, how do you think your information can stay accurate when so many people edit the posts? Just for my interest I data minded your site, and found that in doing so for just three days the reliability of information varied by 4.7%, one would think, for all the donations, the number would be less than .05%... Crisp411 (talk) 06:04, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

Wikimedia_Foundation#Finances may be the place to start on money.

On how we think info can stay accurate, see Wikipedia:General disclaimer, Reliability of Wikipedia, Vandalism on Wikipedia, Conflict-of-interest editing on Wikipedia, Ideological bias on Wikipedia etc. Note also, that the donations don't go to the people who edit WP-articles, those people are mostly volunteers who edits WP as a hobby.

Hope this helps some. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:19, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

You may or may not find this article interesting: The Huge Fight Behind Those Pop-Up Fundraising Banners on Wikipedia Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:47, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

Monica Guerritore

The biography is very confusing; moreover, there are some links that look like spam, even though they are not. JackkBrown (talk) 10:50, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

I agree that the article is very bad, but I don't find it especially confusing. The main problems are external links in the body (including one to Facebook), sourcing to IMDB (which is user-generated), and the later bits of the biography being wholly unsourced. Other problems are ALL CAPS where Title Case or italics is meant, and a statement that places 2019 in the future rather than the past. Feel free to fix it up, JackkBrown. There should be plenty of guidance at MOS:FILM for actor biographies. Folly Mox (talk) 12:27, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

Per references, it's a pretty bad BLP. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:50, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

What to do with all-white non-free logos?

I will admit, I'm fairly new to the non-free image upload system, but having just uploaded the updated logo for Go-Ahead London, with plans in the works for extracted SVGs from companies such as Go North East and Go North West, I'm not sure what the technical policy is for white-on-transparent non-free logos such as what I've uploaded. Should a colour background be included (e.g. TfL red, as they appear on London buses; I can't find any instance where a white Go-Ahead London logo is not used), or would that both go against policy and look a bit ugly? Looking through WP:LOGOS, I can't find any advice on the matter. Hullian111 (talk) 11:22, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

MOS:CONTRAST would imply that the white logos should be placed on a contrasting background. Since the logos themselves are non-free, this could be accomplished by setting the background colour of the infobox element in which they appear using standard CSS, rather than editing the images themselves. (As an unhelpful aside, as a dark mode user the logo at Go-Ahead London already looks fine for me.) Folly Mox (talk) 12:19, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

Hmm, messing with the infobox itself does feel like an unnecessary complication. Per another user's advice, I may have just found another alternative on the Go-Ahead Group's website that I somehow overlooked. I'll see if the logos listed are SVGs and then maybe I'll put the new one out as replacement. Hullian111 (talk) 12:33, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

promotional material

Hi,

I've submitted content for a page buts it's being flagged as promtional - can anyone point out why?

The page I was submitting was the 'Williamson Trust' but it's clashing with 'The Williamson Trust' which is now dissolved (no connection) but when the article was undone 'The Wiliamson Trust' article reappears, which will confuse readers. EcomStudios (talk) 11:50, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

Hi User:EcomStudios, thanks for disclosing your paid status. I'd encourage you to use the Articles for Creation process rather than overwriting a redirect. Fair warning is that your sourcing doesn't establish "notability", which we really ought to call "already published aboutness". Your sources are the organisation's own website and a listing of all registered charities, neither of which meet the three critera of reliability with independence with significant coverage. If you're able to establish notability of your subject, the decision of how to disambiguate Williamson Trust and The Williamson Trust can be made afterwards. Best luck, Folly Mox (talk) 12:04, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

Thanks Folly,

Do you think I could just add a general statement like 'The Williamson Trust is a charitable trust[1] established to improve health and wellbeing. It was founded in 1987 by William Salt (1925 – 2020) with the aim of enabling quality of life and longevity. [1] Registered charity no. 327601, Charity Commission for England and Wales'

To get the page started?

I also first submitted the article as a draft but it seemed to get 'stuck' in the process - does this normally take a long time - it was over a month. EcomStudios (talk) 12:36, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

EcomStudios, unfortunately yes, AfC is chronically backlogged and often takes weeks to months. This is actually a bit of a more interesting (read: complicated) situation than it seems at first blush, because the sourcing for the existing article The Williamson Trust isn't really better than the sourcing at Draft:Williamson Trust, and The Williamson Trust may not have passed AfC if it had been created through that process today rather than directly in mainspace five years ago.

Based on my total inexpertise on either of these trusts, it seems there's likely no primary topic for the term "Williamson Trust", and if your article already existed the choice to disambiguate the two Williamsons Trust would be very probable.

I would say your first order of business is to find additional sourcing for your client Williamson Trust, rather than trying to put information about it into mainspace. Once you have more sources, you'll have a significantly stronger position to argue for disambiguation, as well as get your article through AfC. Repeatedly overwriting the redirect currently at the title Williamson Trust is only likely to cause you trouble. Folly Mox (talk) 12:51, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

Hello, EcomStudios. Absolutely the first step in creating any article, big or small, should be searching for the independent reliable sources which are a non-negotiable requirement for establishing that the subject meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability, because if you cannot find such sources, any other work you may have spent on the article will be wasted. ColinFine (talk) 02:18, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Donation

I would like to donate by cheque. I do not give out my money card details. 159.196.132.85 (talk) 15:45, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

The page Ways to Give includes a mailing address to which you can send a cheque. Thank you for wanting to support the project! -- John of Reading (talk) 16:06, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

Added upcoming Project was reverted

Yash upcoming project reverted after adding wiki page toxic (2025) wiki artical created on the name of Toxic (2025) with all link provided in the page Please check this link

https://www.filmcompanion.in/news/yashs-next-film-titled-toxic

https://www.pinkvilla.com/entertainment/south/yash-19-titled-toxic-directed-by-geethu-mohandas-set-to-release-april-2025-1263993

Gangasutha (talk) 17:59, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

Gangasutha, per WP:FILMOGRAPHY, do not add future film projects until filming has begun as verified by a reliable source. Please talk with the person that reverted you first before coming to the Help desk. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 18:44, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

When to post to COI/N?

Laureys1 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) created his own article, Steven Laureys. There has been work on it since its creation, but until my recent edits it had no mention of the COI anywhere in the article or talk page. The article is also undersourced, and so I have added that banner as well. I alerted the user on their talk page. My question is: is putting up the COI banner on the article enough in this situation? Or is the fact that he created his own article an issue that should be handled in another manner? Kimen8 (talk) 21:17, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

Kimen8, Laureys1 created that article with three edits in July, 2009 and has not edited since. The article has been edited repeatedly over the years and about 40% of the content has been added by other editors. I see no point in filing a noticeboard report about an editor who has been inactive for 14-1/2 years, and I wonder whether the tags you added are appropriate in this particular situation. Efforts to improve the article are, of course, always welcomed. Cullen328 (talk) 21:48, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

Thank you. There are articles (I am thinking of Michael Abramoff recently), that I think had the COI banner because the editor who created the article had a COI; in that article's talk page it was decided the COI banner should stay. I guess it should be handled on a case-by-case basis. I think it would be reasonable to remove the COI banner from Steven Laureys, but it is still undersourced so I would leave that banner. Unless something else is said, I'll remove the COI template and leave the sources needed template. Kimen8 (talk) 22:05, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

Kimen8, that case is quite different because there has been obvious undisclosed paid editing on that article in recent months. Cullen328 (talk) 22:33, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

Thank you again. I'm still trying to figure out how to handle these sorts of situations. I value the integrity of the project as a whole and want to make sure COIs are addressed when they need to be, and I'm trying to learn when they need to be addressed, and when they don't. Kimen8 (talk) 22:41, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

@Kimen8: It's a matter of editorial judgement. You are an editor, and you can choose to make the judgment. If, in your opinion, the article as it stands today is not biased by a conflict of interest, then there is no reason to warn the readership by using the template. If you feel that the article is biased, then use the template to warn the readership. Better, fix the bias if possible. If unsure, discuss on the article's talk page. Go to COI/N if the COI editor is actively messing with the article and discussion on the talk page is not working. -Arch dude (talk) 23:07, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

Mainspace links to Draft???

Is the following statement correct? No mainspace articles should link or redirect to Draftspace, correct? I did a search for insource:/\[\[Draft:/ in mainspace and got 389 hits including some redirects from Mspace to Draft:Mspace. So 389 articles that need to be fixed, right? Naraht (talk) 21:28, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

Most, but not all were in comments, looks like about 20-25 that are actual.Naraht (talk) 21:33, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

Yes, that statement is correct. Like every rule on Wikipedia it's up to the subset of the community who cares to enforce it. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 21:36, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

Did some cleanup on those, lots are inside comments, but I figured out how to eliminate most from a search.Naraht (talk) 09:54, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Blow magazine and Public relations

Hi there. I notice the magazine I did in the 90’s is not listed when I search on Wikipedia. How can I add it please. Many thanks Michael1133 (talk) 21:52, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

@Michael1133: Hi there! Creating a new Wikipedia article can be quite challenging, especially if you do not have a lot of experience editing existing Wikipedia articles. To learn how to edit, I suggest you start at Help:Introduction. I suggest spending a significant amount of time editing existing articles to hone your skills. Once you're ready to create an article, you would gather multiple independent reliable sources that have provided significant coverage of the subject, and determine whether it meets Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, called "notability". If so, you could follow the instructions at Help:Your first article and summarize what the sources have published, and be prepared for a process that may include waiting for review, declines, and rewrites before an article is accepted. Hope this helps, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 22:07, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

HI There, I don't understand this really. The magazine was published from 1992-97. It was written about extensively in the fashion and media circles. It launched the same time as Dazed & Confused, which is listed. We had global distribution. I have a ton of press on the magazine. Michael1133 (talk) 09:08, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

If you can provide this press that you claim to have, and it meets the requirements stated at WP:RS, then editors may create an article about your magazine. It is not recommended that you create the article yourself. miranda ^:3 22:38, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

in addition to what GoingBatty says, if this was your magazine, then you would have a conflict of interest in creating an article about it. This doesn't mean that you can't do so, but it tends to make a challenging task even harder, as you will basically need to forget everything you know about the magazine and write an article based on what the independent reliable sources say (even if you think they are wrong). ColinFine (talk) 02:25, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

article about non-existent place

this article for "Petrel" minnesota (an unincorporated community) is inaccurate, it is just a creek and not an actual place, I also found no way to delete this page. If anyone could fix this that would be great! Bradinator33 (talk) 23:32, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

@Bradinator33: I used the {{prod}} mechanism to nominate it for a proposed non-contentious deletion. If you ever need to do this yourself, just go ahead. The other two ways are "speedy delete" for egregious cases, or WP:AFD for cases where discussion is needed, you can do those, too, if needed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arch dude (talk • contribs) 23:43, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

December 13

Ban Appeal

Earlier I was banned and I want to see if there was a comment made about my ban, How do I navigate to the comments page 76.144.33.67 (talk) 02:59, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

It doesn't appear that the IP you're using has ever been blocked or banned. I'm not sure what you mean about a 'comments page' either – you might be thinking about a user talk page? You might try typing "User talk:Username" (with your username, of course) into the search bar to access that page. Tollens (talk) 03:09, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

If you have a Wikipedia account that had been banned, then you are violating your ban by editing logged out. You must stop doing this. As exlained above, go to the user talk page of the banned account, and follow the instructions there very carefully. I recommend that you read and study the Guide to appealing blocks until you understand it thoroughly. Cullen328 (talk) 09:00, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Spellchecking

Hello, Wikipedia. My question is, is there a tool specifically for spellchecking, and looking for grammatical errors in articles? Thank you. Kimosaabe (talk) 06:40, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Kimosaabe. I recommend that you read Wikipedia:Spellchecking to start. Cullen328 (talk) 09:03, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Sylva Koscina#Death

Very quick question: I deleted "aged 61" and "from" and added "at the age of 61" and "of", but the sentence doesn't seem to have improved much; any opinions on how to improve it? JackkBrown (talk) 12:20, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Yes. Read wikt:aged, then restore the sentence to its original Koscina died in Rome in 1994, aged 61, from breast cancer. You can replace from with of if you wish, although I would choose to retain the former. Bazza (talk) 14:13, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Where can I ask for a Korean source to be translated?

This one, for NW Rota-1. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 12:53, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Cited sources do not necessarily need to be in English, you can insert the translation of the title when adding a new citation. See WP:RSUE. Tutwakhamoe (talk) 13:05, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

WP:RSUE links to Wikipedia:Translators available, which includes a Korean-to-English section. TSventon (talk) 13:39, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Podcast companies list

You are missing the largest podcast production firm for corporations and government in the world. Obieandax.com 99.229.243.189 (talk) 16:00, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Hi IP editor. The notability criteria for organizations is at WP:NORG; if you think this company meets the criteria, and you have reliable, independent, secondary sources with significant coverage of the subject, then Help:Your first article has instructions on how to get an article started. 57.140.16.1 (talk) 16:27, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Why are articles about places in Scotland often stubs & have some weasel words? Or even capital letters which I say means poorly written?

Are they just poorly written or not? Or created by Scotish editors who are beginning Wikipedia? This is also the case of many Indian village/town/state district articles. Many of the words have capital letters, which means it’s poorly written. Why? —The Industrial Me 1563 (talk) 16:13, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

So, respond now ASAP if you are on the help desk right now! —The Industrial Me 1563 (talk) 16:26, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

There are many poor quality article on Wikipedia, roll up your sleeves and start improving them. Theroadislong (talk) 16:29, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

But why? Give me some reasons in such Scottish & Indian articles. —The Industrial Me 1563 (talk) 16:42, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

@The Industrial Me 1563 Maybe because the population of India is 300 times the population of Scotland and hence has many more editors here? You are going to have to give some actual articles you believe are poor if you want other editors to try to improve them. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:55, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Looking at the OPs contributions [4] it would appear that WP:NOTHERE applies, I'll stop feeding the troll. Theroadislong (talk) 16:59, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Trying to add my Tallest Stilts Record

I am having difficulty trying to make a submission. I find do so is very complicated. I went throught the tuter section with no success. I did put a draft in with ref. to Guinness World Records with prove of my accomplishment. Not sure if it went in for review. Thanks Stilts 55 (talk) 16:25, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Your draft here Draft:Worlds Tallest Stilts has no content, it is doubtful that the topic is notable however. Theroadislong (talk) 16:28, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

@Stilts 55, your draft has not been submitted for review, and seems to have no content at all. What sources do you have that cover yourself and your accomplishment? 57.140.16.1 (talk) 16:29, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

If you can find several places where people wholly unconnected with you, and not prompted or fed information on your behalf, have chosen to write in some depth about what you have done and been published in reliable sources, then it is possible that an article could be written; but it sounds a bit like WP:BLP1E to me. ColinFine (talk) 16:14, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

O que é Estáter e uma das primeiras moeda s?

Moedas comercial. Sueliit (talk) 19:45, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

@Sueliit, the help desk is a place to ask questions about using or editing English Wikipedia. For questions about currency, I'd recommed asking at WP:RD/H (and it would be helpful if you could ask in English, but those folks might just use Google translate if you don't, as I just did). 57.140.16.1 (talk) 20:06, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Wiki criteria

Hi Wiki, I wanted to ask what is the criteria for a personal insertion? I was hoping to add a personal insertion for a departed family member and although not famous person , he was very successful local business man from the UK who has a very interesting background and I would like to have his story told for prosperity and longevity. I look forward to your response. Mr Kevin Moore. KMoore244 (talk) 21:30, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

I'm not exactly sure what do you mean by personal insertion. If you want to create an article about a person, make sure that there are multiple significant coverage of the subject from reliable and independent sources (See WP:NBIO). And since you mentioned that it is a family member, you must declare your conflict of interest when creating the article. If you don't have prior experience of writting a Wikipedia article, it is advised to make a draft first and waits for approval of experienced editors.

If you want add some material about a person to an existing article, again, make sure that the content you add can be backed up with sources from reliable and independent sources. Tutwakhamoe (talk) 21:50, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

@KMoore244 Relevant criteria are briefly summarised at WP:NOTMEMORIAL. Wikipedia is not concerned about fame but equally is not a place to memorialise someone. You business man would need to meet the relevant wikinotabilty guideline based on published sources meeting these criteria. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:31, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

Aria di Festa

Should "Aria di Festa" be written in italics? JackkBrown (talk) 22:36, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

JackkBrown, you know more about this issue than the vast majority of English Wikipedia editors, so why don't you just make that determination yourself? Just follow the Bold, revert, discuss process. Cullen328 (talk) 01:24, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

MOS:BADITALICS: A proper name is usually not italicized. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:47, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

Abbey

"Abbey" of "Abbey of Leno" in lower or uppercase? Same in "Abbey of San Zeno, Verona"; I noticed that on these pages there is lowercase, while on the others there is uppercase. As always, Wikipedia doesn't apply consistency... JackkBrown (talk) 23:09, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

It's clearly a proper name, like Kingdom of Sicily. I've changed it accordingly. Thank you for pointing it out. Maproom (talk) 23:27, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

@Maproom: also in the second article; remember to edit the whole "Abbey of" articles; I could do it, but I'm away now and since you started it, you could do it. Thanks in advance. JackkBrown (talk) 23:50, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Maproom might choose to do it. But you are the one concerned (I might say "obsessed") with this, so why do expect anybody else to do it? ColinFine (talk) 16:16, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

@ColinFine: if there were no "obsessed" users, the encyclopaedia would be much less accurate. JackkBrown (talk) 16:32, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

Possibly. But most of them quietly get on with their obsession, without keeping on coming back to ask "Is this all right?" "Should I do this?" "Can somebody do that for me?" ColinFine (talk) 18:57, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

@ColinFine: for this very reason, that of questioning even my own modifications, makes me a much more precise user than another "obsessed" user. JackkBrown (talk) 19:45, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

JackkBrown, you say "Wikipedia doesn't apply consistency" as if "Wikipedia" has a single mind, but "Wikipedia" has been compiled over more than 20 years by the efforts of hundreds of thousands of different individuals – currently, in any calendar month over 100,000 different people perform edits.

Even though standards have been laid down (and evolved over years, not made imprimatur from Day one) most contributors will not have managed to follow them perfectly, and this is fine, because creating articles and getting correct, verifiable information into them is much more important than worrying about the cosmetics of presentational consistency that less than 0.1% of users are likely even to notice.

Improving consistency is a laudable activity, and you are welcome to contribute to it, but do not assume the right to badger others into prioritising it over many, many other improvements that they may prefer to concentrate on. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.199.215.44 (talk) 19:22, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

December 14

Another question

How long should a template remain in place until something happens to the text that needs to be cited (i.e. the text is deleted, there's a discussion, etc.)? Just for context, I'm trying to find this out because part of part of paragraph two in West Point, New York#Geography and climate is unsourced, and I'm having trouble finding a citation for it. ‍ ‍ Relativity ‍ ‍ 01:38, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

If you can't find suitable sources, you can just remove the content in question. Technically there are no time limit on those things, but if they've been there for a while and no improvement can be made, then removal is quite reasonable. Tutwakhamoe (talk) 02:01, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

@Tutwakhamoe: I mean, this citation has been there since July. I don't know if that's long enough at this point. ‍ ‍ Relativity ‍ ‍ 02:05, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

If you are referring to the sentence started with "Extremes in temperature...", I don't see any cited sources for it. You can remove the content, as you've done your search and did not find suitable sources. If anyone wants to add those back, they'll be expected to provide sources, that's all. Tutwakhamoe (talk) 02:11, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

@Relativity: If you wish, you can remove it five minutes after it is added, even without a {{citation needed}}, as part of the WP:BRD process. Removal is a signal to the other editor that the entry must be discussed before it is re-added. However, be reasonable. Let the other editor have a bit of time first, maybe a day. We are supposed to be collaborating, not fighting. -Arch dude (talk) 03:11, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

Relativity, the information you removed here just needed to be updated. The specific weather numbers are available in the sources linked at the bottom of the colourful climate table (NOAA and National Weather Service).

The reason the numbers present in the article didn't already match the sources is because they came from an older dataset: 1981–2010 instead of 1991–2020. When {{Weather box}} at that article was updated in 2021, the updating editor neglected to update the prose paragraph preceding the table. The matching numbers can still be seen at NOAA. The record high and low temperatures (sourced to this) don't need to be updated, but take a little bit of work to verify.

The source website must be interfaced with in the following way: in the default tab (NOWData), in the left pane (1. Location) select "West Point, NY"; in the second pane (2. Product) select "Calendar day summaries"; in the third pane (3. Options), the default range will be "all time", which for me displays as "por - 2023" inside two lozenges; you can select under "Variable" either "Max Temp" or "Min Temp", and leave the "Summary" as the default; in the fourth pane, tap "Go" and you will be shown a sortable table with record daily high (or low) temperatures in Fahrenheit, with the record monthly high / low displayed in red / blue. Oh right I forgot to mention: you'll have to extract the record all time temperatures by comparing the coloured numbers. This falls under WP:CALC and is not considered Original Research. 04:33, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

Since all of the processing takes place server-side without altering the URL, it can make it seem like the source doesn't support the prose, and it took me a few minutes to figure out how to do it, but the information is there.

Being that you've taken an interest in this article, I'd suggest you restore the removed information and update the relevant numbers using the more recent dataset, perhaps specifying the year range, and adding inline citations that point to the same sources cited at the bottom of the {{weather box}} template, which you can do easily (see Wikipedia:Named references, a redirect I correctly guessed). If you wish not to restore any of the climate information, that's probably fine too, but I thought you might want to know how to source the information since you asked about it here. Folly Mox (talk) 04:17, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

Steps between letting a paid editor know there's an issue and COIN?

I've recently been dealing with a paid editor- however, I feel like I've exhausted my (very limited) ability to explain the issues to them. Other editors have also left notes when they reverted the paid editor's contributions, but they haven't stuck around. I don't feel like escalating to the WP:COIN is a good idea yet, but I'm very inexperienced in this area. Also, with a paid editor, I'm not entirely sure how to have a genuine conversation, which isn't helping either of us. What are some good steps to take before taking this to the noticeboard? Is there a guideline of how many time somebody can try to add promotional material to an article before an editor should escalate? Thank you for any advice you can give me.GreenLipstickLesbian (talk) 06:13, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

@GreenLipstickLesbian: when you are inexperienced and feel like you are out of your depth, it's time to step back and turn the problem over to more experienced Wikipedians. Take it to WP:COIN now. Coming to the help desk was a good idea, but in this case I do not think there is an appropriate intermediate step. -Arch dude (talk) 06:34, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

@Arch dude:Thank you for your advice. I don't want to trouble the noticeboards unnecessarily, but you're right. I really do need to let somebody more experienced take over, before I can do any damage. I'm going to take the issue there now. Thank you again. GreenLipstickLesbian (talk) 07:08, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

Is it a cointelplro, or just a coin? 50.231.19.165 (talk) 00:20, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

Arvind Limbavali how to edit this content

Hello team, We need to edit content of Arvind Limbavali now it showing Semi protected K rakshath (talk) 07:09, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

K rakshath, why do you say "we"? -- Hoary (talk) 07:29, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

The extensive "Controversy" section may not be WP:BLP-good. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:10, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

@K rakshath For articles that are locked to you, it is always possible to make suggested edits on the corresponding Talk Page, in this case Talk:Arvind Limbavali. There is an explanation of the process at WP:ER. Note that this biography falls into the class of Wikipedia:Contentious topics so you should also read that linked page before making any suggestion. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:21, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

When somebody says "we need to edit [article]", they often need to read WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS. ColinFine (talk) 16:20, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

@K rakshath At your request, the semi-protection on that article was removed. You proceeded to delete all the controversy section but that has now been restored by User:Celjski Grad. At this point in our bold, revert, discuss cycle, you must discuss your proposed version on the Talk Page of the article. You have repeatedly used the word "we" in making edit summaries. Are you in any way connected with Limbavali or acting on his behalf? Is so, your conflict of interest should be declared and any edit suggestions made using the {{edit COI}} template, via the Talk Page. See also your own Talk Page. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:45, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

I've also brought the article up on the BLP noticeboard for additional guidance Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard#Arvind Limbavali Celjski Grad (talk) 16:48, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

Sometimes they are just using we to generate comradary amongst Pickipedians. 50.231.19.165 (talk) 00:22, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

[Suleyman Demirel University] => [SDU University]

Добрый день! У нас в университете сложилась проблема с наименованием, пришлось сделать ребрендинг и поменять название университета. Проблема в том что в википедий мы никак не смогли поменять тему/заголовок https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suleyman_Demirel_University [Suleyman Demirel University] => [SDU University] ISpeciaLxx (talk) 09:18, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

Machine translation:

Good afternoon Our university had a problem with the name, we had to rebrand and change the name of the university. The problem is that on Wikipedia we couldn’t change the topic/title. Tollens (talk) 09:19, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

Please provide a suitable source for the rebranding, preferably not from the university itself. Tutwakhamoe (talk) 12:01, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

@ISpeciaLxx: There is also a discussion at Talk:Suleyman Demirel University, so it would be best to continue the discussion there. If you work for the university, you must declare your conflict of interest. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 16:00, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

Image for Macon B. Allen on Wikipedia

Dear Staff,

The image for Macon B. Allen is inaccurate. There are no known pictures of Macon Allen. In fact, the existing image is of Robert Elliott, Sr. How would one address this error and have the existing image deleted?

Thanks you.

Wink Twyman 2600:1700:A380:C1D0:95A5:4C14:FB77:487C (talk) 15:11, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

There are no "staff" in Wikipedia, we are all volunteers. When reporting a problem with a page please include a link such as [[Robert_B._Elliott]], it helps us to know which of the 6 or 7 million articles you are referring to. I'm assuming that you are talking about Macon Bolling Allen and Robert B. Elliott, there are quite a few Robert Elliotts. At first glance the image of Allen doesn't look like the images of Elliott, do you have any references for your assertion? Martin of Sheffield (talk) 15:25, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

I concur: the hairlines are implausibly different. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.199.215.44 (talk) 19:26, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

Hi there! It's also best practice to first ask at the article's talk page. For example, if your concern is about the image at Macon Bolling Allen, then the first place to ask would be Talk:Macon Bolling Allen (along with any published reliable sources). Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 15:53, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

Wink, unfortunately, people occasionally misidentify historical images on blogs or other sites. Then these get added to Wikipedia by well-meaning editors, which means that they very soon spread across the internet with the incorrect identification. It is very difficult to counter this once it has happened.

To my mind, this looks like Robert Morris (lawyer), but this Philadelphia Tribune article shows the the two side by side, so what do I know? Counterfeit Purses (talk) 15:58, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

Change country where a page is deposeted

Anyone that can help me with changing he country where my page page is deposited (now is DE.wikipedia... and it should be EN.wikipedia...)?

Thank you in advance Simomalna (talk) 15:19, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

@Simomalna: Hi there! Are you referring to de:Banca del Sempione? You could follow the instructions at Wikipedia:Translation to create a draft here. GoingBatty (talk) 15:48, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

@Simomalna, If you mean that you want Banca del Sempione to be an article on en-WP, see guidance at WP:TRANSLATE and WP:NCORP. As currently written, that article will not be accepted on en.WP. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:51, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

@Simomalna, why shouldn't there be a (German-language) article about this (or any) subject on the German-language Wikipedia?

Why indeed should any-language Wikipedia not have an article about this subject (in its appropriate language)? {The poster formerly known as 87.81.,230.195} 90.199.215.44 (talk) 19:31, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

If a subject meets the requirements for notability in one language Wikipedia, but not another, then there may be an article about it in the first but there cannot be one in the second.

Otherwise the answer is the same as every other "why isn't there an article about X?" viz, "Because nobody has written it". ColinFine (talk) 20:33, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

En-WP shouldn't if the subject fails WP:NCORP. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:33, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

Editing the history section of the vital articles page: Wikipedia:Vital articles/Level/5/History

Hi, I am an active editor of the vital articles project here on Wikipedia. The main reason I am reaching out is because I am editing this page which are the level 5 articles for the history section. When you look at the last three sections of 19th, 20th, and 21st centuries, I would like to change them so that Late modern covers events before 1945 and Contemporary covers events after 1945. I have tried making the changes before manually, but my edits got reverted because the list didn't come out right. I asked for help on the vital articles talk page, but I didn't get a lot of comments there. It is frustrating because I would've thought that other editors would build off my edits to make it better and instead reverted my edits. I am hoping that I can find a good tool that I can use to complete this task there. Interstellarity (talk) 15:49, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

The Communist States Page

I think this page should be entirely deleted, and instead have "Communist States" redirect to "Communist Nations", since there can be no such thing as a communist state, considering a communist society is notably "stateless". Also, most of these nations are socialist SpookyScarySocialist (talk) 19:19, 14 December 2023 (UTC)SpookyScarySocialist (talk) 19:18, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

Usually, States commonly described as "Communist" by themselves and/or others are (or their ruling politicians supposedly are) aspiring towards communism, and are likely either in the Socialist stage of this hoped-for evolution, or would like others to think they are. I don't know offhand of any State that has achieved full communism yet, and in political discourse this is widely understood.

In what way do you think that the article Communist state fails to make this clear? If you can specify your concerns and find Reliable sources that corroborate your unverified thoughts, you should discuss them on the Talk page of the article and seek to build a consensus in favour of introducing your proposed change(s). {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.199.215.44 (talk) 19:44, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

Heads up: problematic user

Hey

I'm not an admin so I can't do much about this. Please look at User:188.251.247.192 and the talk page of @Soetermans. I think we need to be wary of our block powers here. ,doktorb _words^deeds 23:08, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

Hey Doktorbuk, thanks for taking action. The IP user had been abusing TheDeviantPro's talk page, which has been edit protected. They sign their messages with "MySuperBelt85", which is a sockpuppeteer. Considering they have stated to continue their abuse, perhaps it's a case for WP:LONG? soetermans. ^{↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK} 23:28, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

Mathematic formula too long

I have several formulas in my sandbox (MathewsSH/sandbox) for this article (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datar-Mathews_method_for_real_option_valuation) that are very long. I cannot figure out how to display them in a shorter context. Here is one of the formulas: $C_{0}=E\left(if\langle \left({\tilde {S}}_{1}e^{-Rt_{0}}\geq {\tilde {X}}_{1}e^{-rt_{0}}\right),if\lbrace \left({\tilde {S}}_{2}e^{-Rt_{0}}\geq {\tilde {X}}_{2}e^{-rt_{0}}+{\tilde {X}}_{1}e^{-rt_{0}}\right),\left[max\left({\tilde {S}}_{3}e^{-Rt_{0}}-{\tilde {X}}_{3}e^{-rt_{0}},0\right)-{\tilde {X}}_{2}e^{-rt_{0}}-{\tilde {X}}_{1}e^{-rt_{0}}\right],-{\tilde {X}}_{1}e^{-rt_{0}}\rbrace ,0\rangle \right).$ I have tried several editing techniques including various multi-line formatting (\begin{align} etc.) and line breaks ({br}, etc.). None seem to work as the formula cannot be cut with inducing an error code. Do you have any suggestions? MathewsSH (talk) 23:51, 14 December 2023 (UTC)Scott Mathews

Category: "Banks by year of establishment" and child subcategories should be renamed for clarity

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Banks_by_year_of_establishment

The lists contained in this category include both banks and credit unions. As credit unions are distinct from banks but provide the same services, the title of the category is imprecise and could be confusing. Either the term "banks" should be changed to "banking institutions" or a new category should be created for credit unions. 63.228.212.200 (talk) 00:03, 15 December 2023 (UTC)