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:It was declined today. Drafts are reviewed in no particular order by volunteers, working on what they want when they choose to. There is no way to guarantee a speedy review. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 13:11, 12 March 2024 (UTC) |
:It was declined today. Drafts are reviewed in no particular order by volunteers, working on what they want when they choose to. There is no way to guarantee a speedy review. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 13:11, 12 March 2024 (UTC) |
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== Editing a text further before the second review? (and bullet lists in the reference list) == |
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Hi to everyone, |
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I created my first Wikipedia page a few months ago. The first review rejected it because I did not add enough sources and the text was not encyclopaedic enough. About ten days ago I made improvements and pressed the "publish" button again. As far as I understand, the text should now be sent for review again. As I now realised, an editor made substantial edits to the text in these past days. They shortened it, removed several contents, and included many new references. While those edits improved the text, they made me see I could add other edits to improve it even further with more sources and specific contents. |
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My questions is: should/can I go ahead and add my edits on top of those made by the Wikipedia editor, or should I hold off my edits until the article goes through review? |
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I also would like to know how I can include a bullet list in the list of references. |
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Thanks so much for your help! |
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Best wishes, [[User:Simonescoffier|Simonescoffier]] ([[User talk:Simonescoffier|talk]]) 13:51, 12 March 2024 (UTC) |
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Warning an IP user
Hello,
An IP user has made unnecessary changes to my sandbox. Luckily, an editor removed it for me (I didn't even realize until today, and gave he/she a barnstar for it.). The IP user also made unnecessary changes to the talk page of my sandbox. I had just removed it and gave them a warning at their talk page. I'm wondering what I should do now. Should I give the IP user a different warning again next time they vandalize?
Thank you.
Myrealnamm (talk) 01:44, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
- @Myrealnamm: Welcome to the Teahouse. That's pretty much all you can do in the meantime. You can give them warnings increasing in severity if they persist, and if they accrue enough (usually with a 4th-level warning like {{subst:uw-vandalism4}}) you can bring it to the Administration intervention against vandalism board. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 02:06, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
- You would typically increment by 1, starting from Template:uw-vandalism1, moving to uw-vandalism2, and so on till 4. If the edit is particularly egregious (extreme bigotry and such), I usually just skip to 4. If they vandalize after 4, report them to WP:AIV. It's worth noting this is a school IP so multiple users may see the message, not just the vandal. Sincerely, Novo TapeMy Talk Page 02:08, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks @Novo Tape. I didn't know it was a school IP. I know how frustrating it is when you find out you're actually talking to a group of people, not just one. Myrealnamm (talk) 21:09, 4 March 2024 (UTC). I'll keep sending notices to that user/group/ip if they continue doing things like that.
- Whoops! Sorry the signature is at the middle of the message.
- Thanks @Novo Tape. I didn't know it was a school IP. I know how frustrating it is when you find out you're actually talking to a group of people, not just one. Myrealnamm (talk) 21:09, 4 March 2024 (UTC). I'll keep sending notices to that user/group/ip if they continue doing things like that.
Plip!
Myrealnamm (talk) 21:09, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
- Myrealnamm, you'll get better at identifying school and other shared IPs over time. One giveaway is that most school IPs will receive warnings spaced out over several months or longer, whereas residential IPs tend to not have an extensive warning history. Additionally, I belive you get access to tools to identify the network subscriber once you're extended confirmed (maybe the access requirement is lower than EC, I'm not sure).Sincerely, Novo TapeMy Talk Page 22:41, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
- OK Myrealnamm (talk) 23:39, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
- @Novo Tape: I mean, most of the time you can just click Geolocate or one of the RIRs links at the bottom of the IP's contributions page, even us IPs can do that.
- For this one you can see that the ISP in Geolocate (or Costumer for the America RIR) is "Conseil scolaire de district catholique de lEst ontarien", which Google Translate says stands for "Eastern Ontario Catholic District School Board". – 2804:F14:80E5:6B01:7C82:2614:FB15:AFC8 (talk) 00:14, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
- Didn't realize IPs could do that (and apparently the requirement for the full tools is just autoconfirmed). Guess I also need a trouting. Sincerely, Novo TapeMy Talk Page 17:17, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
- Hello @Novo Tape, which button is it at the bottom of an IP user's page? Geolocate? Proxy Checker?
- Myrealnamm (talk to me) 23:23, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
- I see that 2804:F14:80E5:6B01:7C82:2614:FB15:AFC8 says they used the Geolocate. Which one were you mentioning earlier @Novo Tape? Myrealnamm (talk to me) 23:27, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
- Myrealnamm, yes, I typically use Geolocate and whois. Sincerely, Novo TapeMy Talk Page 21:17, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
- I see that 2804:F14:80E5:6B01:7C82:2614:FB15:AFC8 says they used the Geolocate. Which one were you mentioning earlier @Novo Tape? Myrealnamm (talk to me) 23:27, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
- What is a "trouting"? Augnablik (talk) 15:42, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
- WP:TROUT CodeTalker (talk) 03:05, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- It's just a little joke that Wikipedians use to tell others they did something silly. Such as,
- Didn't realize IPs could do that (and apparently the requirement for the full tools is just autoconfirmed). Guess I also need a trouting. Sincerely, Novo TapeMy Talk Page 17:17, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
- Myrealnamm, you'll get better at identifying school and other shared IPs over time. One giveaway is that most school IPs will receive warnings spaced out over several months or longer, whereas residential IPs tend to not have an extensive warning history. Additionally, I belive you get access to tools to identify the network subscriber once you're extended confirmed (maybe the access requirement is lower than EC, I'm not sure).Sincerely, Novo TapeMy Talk Page 22:41, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
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Whack! You've been whacked with a wet trout. Don't take this too seriously. Someone just wants to let you know that you did something silly. |
. I trouted myself once because I put my signature in the middle of a message, not at the end. Myrealnamm (talk to me) 13:53, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- Some like myself like to keep the trouts they've been hit with on their userpage as a reminder of the silly stuff we've done. I got hit with my first last week for something I did here. CommissarDoggoTalk? 13:58, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
Quick question regarding additional respect towards administrators
As admins have special privileges that most users lack, have been gained through community consensus, should they be treated with a higher level of respect than the average user, or should interactions with an admin be like talking to or with any other Wikipedian? I mean, they do have unique powers, but should respect be gained from such privileges or from real, genuine interactions like anyone else on this wiki? 95.141.97.244 (talk) 20:54, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, IP user, and welcome to the Teahouse. All users should respect other users when they interact. It is natural to defer to the greater knowledge and experience of an experienced user, but there is no special respect accorded to admins. ColinFine (talk) 21:12, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
- Speaking as an administrator, I do not expect any extra respect. Yes, the community has trusted me with some powerful tools. But when I work on or discuss content, I am just another editor. Cullen328 (talk) 21:23, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you for the clarification. 95.141.97.244 (talk) 11:43, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
- Speaking as an administrator, I do not expect any extra respect. Yes, the community has trusted me with some powerful tools. But when I work on or discuss content, I am just another editor. Cullen328 (talk) 21:23, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
- Honestly, you should treat everyone with respect, no matter their status. Everyone deserves to be part of a welcoming community. NW1223<Howl at me•My hunts> 21:28, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
- I agree with Colin and Cullen328. Sadly, there seems to be quite a degree of disrespect shown to non-registered (= IPusers). We should all try to treat each other fairly and equally and, as an administrator myself, I do try to uphold WP:Old-fashioned Wikipedian values, though I suspect I still fall short from time to time. If I do, feel free to let me know.
- BTW: Could I politely mention that your two recent edits to Finale (song) may well be reverted soon. As well-meaning as they were, we have a formal way of highlighting similarly-named titles, rather than just writing "'heads up:" See THIS PAGE for guidance on adding Hatnotes to pages. - especially the section titled WP:RELATED. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 21:34, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
- @Nick Moyes, I went to the delightful WP:Old-fashioned Wikipedian values link you mentioned and tried to become the 160th pledge-taker. But couldn't.
- To add my pledge, I assumed I'd have to click on the Pencil icon at the part of the document where the pledgers are listed, which I did ... typed my loyalty oath ... and then, finding no Publish button, didn't know what to do. I tried this twice and had to give up to return here for advice. Augnablik (talk) 14:51, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
- @Augnablik Woah! That confused me too, at first. You're obviously editing in 'Mobile view' (which I very rarely do). You've clicked the sloping pencil icon to edit the relevant section and - like me - saw the text, but found no blue Publish button.
- If you actually start to edit the page by adding text, you'll see the grey right-pointing chevron at the top of the page immediately turns blue. Once you've completed your edit (the # symbol creates the numbered bullet point, and four tildes (like this ~~~~) will add your signature) you can click the blue chevron to go to the 'Next' page to add an edit summary and click the blue Publish button.
- I don't know if this is a change of layout in Mobile View, or whether I've simply not noticed this before - but it is rather cryptic. I do a fair amount of editing on mobile, but always prefer to use Desktop View to give me the layout and functionality I prefer. Note: you can switch between the two viewing modes via the teeny-tiny link at the very, very bottom of any page which is noticed by very few people!
- Hope this all makes sense. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 17:31, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
- On top of the consensus that you should respect everybody, the symbol of adminship is a mop for a reason: it's meant to be important but not pretentious work. There are many types of important work on Wikipedia, and what admins do is handle the mop. Remsense诉 21:41, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
- This misconception that an administrator is a "status" is why I don't put my user page in the administrator category. I want editors to treat me as an equal, like any other editor. ~Anachronist (talk) 01:13, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you, understood. :–) 95.141.97.244 (talk) 11:42, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
Do I need to revert?
Just wanted to make sure I am not violating the rules here.
Another editor is telling me I am not allowed to revert their removal of reliably sourced content. This is in the middle of an ongoing discussion at Talk:Donald Trump#Business career - Golf courses, they are saying there is no consensus to include, therefore I am not allowed to restore an edit by another editor they removed, however currently myself and the other editor agree it should be included, while she disagrees.
Diffs [1], [2], [3], [4] DN (talk) 05:49, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
As far as I can see it is a CTOP but not WP:CRP, I'll double check. DN (talk)
- Darknipples, looks like it's been a while since you made this post, so I am not sure whether you've got it resolved. I'll say what you've missed based on a brief look, and that is WP:BLP policy. In BLPs, the onus is usually on those seeking to include content even if there was no previous consensus to exclude. You should be careful editing controversial topics with stringent content and behavioural expectations; it seems you already know that. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 16:35, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
- P.S. you never need to revert. Even if you think you're more justified in reverting, edit-warring is not excused. See WP:3RRNO for the limited cases where you can continue to revert just because you think you're in the right. If it's nothing urgent, it's advisable to stop reverting and let the other party "win" while you settle things on the talk page, unless they're not talking at all except in edit summaries. Intent to edit-war is considered more important than the number of reverts, so you should never choose to revert based on counting. Usedtobecool ☎️ 16:43, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
- Resolved I think. Thanks! DN (talk) 20:58, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
- P.S. you never need to revert. Even if you think you're more justified in reverting, edit-warring is not excused. See WP:3RRNO for the limited cases where you can continue to revert just because you think you're in the right. If it's nothing urgent, it's advisable to stop reverting and let the other party "win" while you settle things on the talk page, unless they're not talking at all except in edit summaries. Intent to edit-war is considered more important than the number of reverts, so you should never choose to revert based on counting. Usedtobecool ☎️ 16:43, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
Hello There, I'm confused again
so i redid my page here Draft:The Plantain Incident and am wondering if we're good to go? it now has the cite links to the references with the little numbers. Thank you. Mike Dowswell (talk) 19:53, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
- Looking at it, you have four sources. Two are links to YouTube, one of which is the channel for Lord Dowswell Games and the other to a video of the game on that same channel. The other two are actually a single source, both leading to the same place - the Dreams (video game) website.
- Based on your name I'm going to make an assumption and say you probably shouldn't be making this article due to a conflict of interest, additionally there just aren't enough secondary sources. In fact, with a cursory search I couldn't find any.
- Bringing it up to snuff with the Manual of Style is well needed as well, but your first article will probably be your best bet.
- Please do not transfer that draft to mainspace, I'm fairly certain it'll be speedy deleted within 24 hours of it getting there. CommissarDoggoTalk? 20:01, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
- It's proving highly difficult to promote the game, because everywhere I go, I'll make a post, and it instantly gets deleted, today I joined a Facebook group called Independent Video Game Design and Development, and tried there, but they removed the trailer for the game right away...lol.. I guess it's the conflict of interest thing?, which I'm learning about...I honestly didn't know there was a thing called conflict of interest. The game was made across four years with no money, I honestly don't know what to do or how to promote, it's been like this for years...lol. Many thanks to all of you for responding so fast with what the problem is, its never been explained to me until now. It's a bit of a loop, of you can't promote then people cant see and then can't write about it. Any advice on this would be greatly appreciated, thank you. 52.144.111.53 (talk) 02:32, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
- wikipedia is not a place for you to promote your game. ltbdl (talk) 09:27, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
- It was more of a acknowledgement of the game than a promotion. I was talking about other places outside of Wikipedia. 52.144.111.53 (talk) 00:22, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
- wikipedia is not a place for you to promote your game. ltbdl (talk) 09:27, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
- It's proving highly difficult to promote the game, because everywhere I go, I'll make a post, and it instantly gets deleted, today I joined a Facebook group called Independent Video Game Design and Development, and tried there, but they removed the trailer for the game right away...lol.. I guess it's the conflict of interest thing?, which I'm learning about...I honestly didn't know there was a thing called conflict of interest. The game was made across four years with no money, I honestly don't know what to do or how to promote, it's been like this for years...lol. Many thanks to all of you for responding so fast with what the problem is, its never been explained to me until now. It's a bit of a loop, of you can't promote then people cant see and then can't write about it. Any advice on this would be greatly appreciated, thank you. 52.144.111.53 (talk) 02:32, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
- See WP:GNG. Your draft fails those requirements. It's possible that it can't meet them atm, and if that is so, a WP-article about your game will not be accepted. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:07, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
- Mike Dosewell Given that you created the game, you have a conflict of interest (see WP:COI), which means you need to state as much on your User page. WP:TOOSOON is an issue, as people with no connection to the game have not published about the game. David notMD (talk) 22:17, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
How to create category
Greetings,
I'd like to create a new category titled Safa Women's League similar to the Category:SAFA Women's League category but can't seem to figure out how it's done.
Secondly, I would like to know how I can create a source link using a clubs nickname of alternative name to the same page e.g. University of Johannesburg women's football is also known as UJ Ladies F.C. and I'd like to like to links this to the article.
Thanks in advance. Mcwamcwa (talk) 22:13, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, Mcwamcwa, and welcome to the Teahouse. A category comes into existence as soon as somebody places an article in it - which (a little confusingly) you do by putting the category statement into the article. However, it is considered good practice to create the category page, with a description of what the category is: see WP:FAQ/Categorization#How do I create a category?.
- However, I'm a bit puzzled why there should be a Category:Safa Women's League as well as a Category:SAFA Women's League. It might be best to discuss this at the talk page of WP:WikiProject Categories first.
- For your second question, you can create a redirect page from the alternative name to the article. ColinFine (talk) 22:50, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
- @ColinFine with regards to the redirect, I just read the article but it's a bit confusing as I do not have the horizontal lines at the top of my page. Do I then create an article titled UJ Ladies F.C. for example. A blank page with nothing written in it then after moving it to the article space redirect the page to the University of Johannesburg women's football page and that will create a redirect everytime someone types in UJ Ladies F.C?
- I just want to check if creating a blank page with just the title on it is allowed? Mcwamcwa (talk) 20:20, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
- No, you can create it directly in article space. Go to UJ Ladies FC (if that's the title). That's a redlink, so if you click on it, it will offer you the chance to create an article with that title.
- Then you start editing it, and insert the single line
#REDIRECT [[name of target article]]
- in it, and pick "Publish". ColinFine (talk) 22:17, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
- @ColinFine done. I did UJ Ladies F.C. can you confirm if that's all that's needed? Thank you for your assistance in this. Mcwamcwa (talk) 09:52, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- @ColinFine It actually worked, thank you! Mcwamcwa (talk) 09:56, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- @ColinFine done. I did UJ Ladies F.C. can you confirm if that's all that's needed? Thank you for your assistance in this. Mcwamcwa (talk) 09:52, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
Broken Link for Fixing Broken Links
Hello! I am new here and noticed for many article's talk section, the links in each "External links modified" section to replace broken links is broken. Below is an example of what is written, but I've seen this message on many article's talk section and all are broken:
"If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool. If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool."
Is this issue currently being addressed? or is it being fixed in each individual page?
Thanks! Archival Description (talk) 23:59, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
- You can still report false positives, fix errors, and view the updated documentation. The talk page messages are quite old and due to the sheer number of them, it's better just to leave them alone for the most part. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 03:24, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you! Archival Description (talk) 04:25, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
I recently added information to the article on the Sylvia Likens Murder
I recently added information to the article on the Sylvia Likens murder. But my contribution was removed. I added that the horror novel Let's Go Play at the Adams' by Mendal Johnson may have been inspired in part by this true crime case. But it was removed. I don't understand why a similar entry for the horror novel The Girl Next Door by Jack Ketchum is allowed but my one for Let's Go Play at the Adams' was removed. They are both links to horror novels. Thank you. HenryTjernlund (talk) 02:00, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
- @HenryTjernlund Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse! Looking at the various articles, The Girl Next Door (and its film adaptation) explicitly stated that it was loosely based on the above murder case while your addition said Let's Go Play at the Adams' may have been based on the case (and its article did not state anything about the case at all, so it may also be WP:No original research), which would be considered as trivia. Jolly1253 (talk) 03:00, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
- I looked at my copy of The Girl Next Door. In the back Q&A interview section the Sylvia Likens is mentioned briefly. However numerous reviews of Let's Go Play at the Adams' compare it to The Girl Next Door. I think some reviews also mentioned the Likens case in talking about LGPatA. Sadly the writer of LGPatA died shortly after (2 years) publishing the novel whereas TGND's writer lived long enough (29 years) to be interviewed and asked about the connection. So there have been others who have connected these dots but not sure how much that counts. HenryTjernlund (talk) 06:40, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
- None of that counts. Statements in Wikipedia should be based entirely on what reliable sources say and those sources must be cited. Shantavira|feed me 09:57, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
- If I do a search on [let's go play at the adams] and [sylvia likens] I get pages and pages of results. Try it. HenryTjernlund (talk) 14:25, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
- You didn't provide a reliable source. It's been removed and archived in the page history for now, but if you'd like to include a citation and re-add it, please do so. Theroadislong (talk) 14:34, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
- "A primary source is an original document/image, the results of an experiment, statistical data, first-hand account, or creative work. A secondary source is something written about or using primary sources. A teritary source is a collection of primary and secondary sources."
- Being honest all this splitting of hairs is hurting my elderly brain. Mendal Johnson, author of LGPATA, died shortly after publishing only one work and thus did no have a chance to be interview or write about his inspiration. Many articles (tens if not hundreds) have expressed that they feel his novel was based on the Sylvia Lickens crime. But as I learned half a century ago in math class not all truths can be proven. I have growing medical problems myself and thought I could add an item of what I think is a truth to an article, but others fixate on only primary sources, then this datum is lost to the world. Sad as I think the LGPATA is a very influential work itself and valid warning of the horror of what human behavior can lead to. After years the book still haunts me, and apparently other people too, and I still grieve for the main character even if only fictitious. And I grieve for the real and beautiful young Sylvia Likens and the horror she went through. HenryTjernlund (talk) 20:18, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
- @HenryTjernlund, if there's lots of articles with the information you want to add, then you can simply choose one and use it to cite your addition. The sources we want are secondary sources, not primary, so articles discussing the book will be perfectly acceptable if you also make sure to choose a reliable source - if any of the articles are in papers/magazines/journals/etc that are listed on the list of perennial sources as reliable, then you can probably safely assume your source will be acceptable. StartGrammarTime (talk) 03:39, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
- You didn't provide a reliable source. It's been removed and archived in the page history for now, but if you'd like to include a citation and re-add it, please do so. Theroadislong (talk) 14:34, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
- If I do a search on [let's go play at the adams] and [sylvia likens] I get pages and pages of results. Try it. HenryTjernlund (talk) 14:25, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
- None of that counts. Statements in Wikipedia should be based entirely on what reliable sources say and those sources must be cited. Shantavira|feed me 09:57, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
- I looked at my copy of The Girl Next Door. In the back Q&A interview section the Sylvia Likens is mentioned briefly. However numerous reviews of Let's Go Play at the Adams' compare it to The Girl Next Door. I think some reviews also mentioned the Likens case in talking about LGPatA. Sadly the writer of LGPatA died shortly after (2 years) publishing the novel whereas TGND's writer lived long enough (29 years) to be interviewed and asked about the connection. So there have been others who have connected these dots but not sure how much that counts. HenryTjernlund (talk) 06:40, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
Primary Sources.
If a page has only handful of secondary sources while it is dominated by primary sources. Should we include more secondary sources to that page? Sewnbegun (talk) 06:04, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
- While it depends on the article, usually yes. See WP:PRIMARY for more discussion. Cheers! Remsense诉 06:07, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
- @Sewnbegun: Yes, if possible. ExclusiveEditor Notify Me! 10:10, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
- Sewnbegun, you cannot possibly understand yet how much that Teahouse hosts yearn for new editors to ask about specific articles instead of vague generalities. When you ask about a specific article, then Teahouse hosts have immediate access to a wide range of specific information about the article that new editors either do not know about or do not have access to. Teahouse hosts are here to assist you, but we need to know specifically where the problem is on this very vast project of 6,794,502 articles. Cullen328 (talk) 10:14, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
- @Cullen328, I was talking about List of X-Men members page. Sewnbegun (talk) 12:55, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
- Sewnbegun, that is a list article which has different standards than articles about a discrete topic. You can find more about the standards at Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Lists. A big issue with lists is inclusion criteria. In this case, the vast majority of the entries are blue links, which is a good sign. Whether or not those individual articles are acceptable or not is a different matter which should be assessed by editors with expertise in superhero comics and movies. Frankly, I am not that type of editor as my interest in such things is fleeting. Cullen328 (talk) 20:37, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
- Okay, thank you! Sewnbegun (talk) 13:27, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- Sewnbegun, that is a list article which has different standards than articles about a discrete topic. You can find more about the standards at Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Lists. A big issue with lists is inclusion criteria. In this case, the vast majority of the entries are blue links, which is a good sign. Whether or not those individual articles are acceptable or not is a different matter which should be assessed by editors with expertise in superhero comics and movies. Frankly, I am not that type of editor as my interest in such things is fleeting. Cullen328 (talk) 20:37, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
- @Cullen328, I was talking about List of X-Men members page. Sewnbegun (talk) 12:55, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
- Sewnbegun, you cannot possibly understand yet how much that Teahouse hosts yearn for new editors to ask about specific articles instead of vague generalities. When you ask about a specific article, then Teahouse hosts have immediate access to a wide range of specific information about the article that new editors either do not know about or do not have access to. Teahouse hosts are here to assist you, but we need to know specifically where the problem is on this very vast project of 6,794,502 articles. Cullen328 (talk) 10:14, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
Infobox weapon template
So I've been working on the Stimpex Dracon page and I put into the info box information such as the chassis, range, weight, payload and some of the stuff won't wont show up in the final edit yet it would show up in the source code Nayunjajangman (talk) 17:24, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
- Nayunjajangman, infoboxes do that if you don't adhere to the documentation. You may have added parameters not in the infobox you are using. You probably want to use {{infobox automobile}} instead of {{infobox weapon}}. Don't care about the infobox right now. Articles even don't need to have one. The problem with your draft is sourcing. You should seek to fix that first. See WP:REFB for how to; see WP:RS for what sources to use. Regards! — Usedtobecool ☎️ 17:35, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
- Infobox weapon is correct, just didn't have a parameter used correctly. Is vehicle wasn't selected so it just omitted anything relating to vehicles. CommissarDoggoTalk? 17:37, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you @Usedtobecool! Nayunjajangman (talk) 17:38, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
- As well as Reliable, sources need to be independent of the subject. Wikipedia has little interest in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is almost entirely interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If enough material is cited from independent sources to establish notability, a limited amount of uncontroversial factual information may be added from non-independent sources. . Your second reference is from the company, and the first one almost certainly comes directly from them too. ColinFine (talk) 19:23, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
- @Usedtobecool Well that's as reliable as it can get since there is almost no information available on the internet (although if you are able to find something other than what I've referenced to I'll gladly retract my statement) and even if I was able to get my hands on the technical documentation of the vehicle I wouldn't be able to use it to update the page since it would be illegal to. Nayunjajangman (talk) 19:38, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
- I am sorry I tagged the wrong person :/ Nayunjajangman (talk) 19:39, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
- No worries. We don't first pick a subject, then make do with what sources are available. We first look at what sources are available, to make sure the criteria at WP:N are met, and on that basis, pick the subject we want to write about. Best, — Usedtobecool ☎️ 19:45, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
- Hello again, Nayunjajangman. Sources don't have to be online (though for something as new as this I doubt if there is anything published offline), but they do have to be both Reliable, and independent of the subject. If the only sources that have been published are from the manufacturers, then it is certainly WP:TOOSOON for a Wikipedia article on it, and you are wasting your time trying. ColinFine (talk) 22:22, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
- I am sorry I tagged the wrong person :/ Nayunjajangman (talk) 19:39, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
- @Usedtobecool Well that's as reliable as it can get since there is almost no information available on the internet (although if you are able to find something other than what I've referenced to I'll gladly retract my statement) and even if I was able to get my hands on the technical documentation of the vehicle I wouldn't be able to use it to update the page since it would be illegal to. Nayunjajangman (talk) 19:38, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
- As well as Reliable, sources need to be independent of the subject. Wikipedia has little interest in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is almost entirely interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If enough material is cited from independent sources to establish notability, a limited amount of uncontroversial factual information may be added from non-independent sources. . Your second reference is from the company, and the first one almost certainly comes directly from them too. ColinFine (talk) 19:23, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
Inappropriate and explicit images on Commons
How can they be removed? 14 novembre (talk) 18:22, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
- @14 novembre: Commons has its own deletion policy and procedures, which are a bit out of scope for this board, which typically deals with enwiki-specific topics. However, you might want to take a look at commons:COM:CENSOR; "inappropriate and explicit" is not in itself a reason to delete things from Commons. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 18:25, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
- @Writ Keeper. Thanks for your answer. The policy states
Photographs of nudity including male and female genitalia are sometimes uploaded for non-educational motives, and such images are not exempt from the requirement to comply with the rules of Commons' scope. If the images are of demonstrably inferior quality, or add nothing educationally distinct to the stock of such images we hold already, they may fail the test of being realistically useful for an educational purpose.
Instead there is an enormous amount of such images and videos, as confirmed by this article. Is there something we can do so that this policy is correctly implementated? Kind regards 14 novembre (talk) 18:33, 9 March 2024 (UTC)- @14 novembre: I'm one of the sysops at Commons, and as @Writ Keeper has stated above, the project has its defined scope and is not censored. If "inappropriate" refers to something that violates copyright or is uploaded for solely promoting any entity, you should be able to request deletion of the given file. However, on a broader spectrum, the page at c:COM:CENSOR should help you if you mean some kind of moral/religious/else inappropriate thing by it. You won't get any helpful answer at English Wikipedia for your question. Go to the Village pump at Commons and ask there. Best regards, ─ Aafī (talk) 18:35, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
- @TheAafi Thanks for your very helpful answer. Kind regards 14 novembre (talk) 18:36, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
- @14 novembre: I'm one of the sysops at Commons, and as @Writ Keeper has stated above, the project has its defined scope and is not censored. If "inappropriate" refers to something that violates copyright or is uploaded for solely promoting any entity, you should be able to request deletion of the given file. However, on a broader spectrum, the page at c:COM:CENSOR should help you if you mean some kind of moral/religious/else inappropriate thing by it. You won't get any helpful answer at English Wikipedia for your question. Go to the Village pump at Commons and ask there. Best regards, ─ Aafī (talk) 18:35, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
- @Writ Keeper. Thanks for your answer. The policy states
- @14 novembre: "Explicit" images are not necessarily "inappropriate", on Commons or here - we are an making an encyclopedia, and we document things like biology, sexuality and social phenomena like pornography. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:07, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
Is there a way to block other users from editing my user page?
Hi, I was just wondering if there was a way to block other users from editing my user page (User:SHIBUYA8) and if so, how. If you can assist me with this issue, please let me know. Thanks! SHIBUYA8 (talk) 21:24, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
- @SHIBUYA8: Welcome to the Teahouse. You can request page protection at Wikipedia:RFPP, but your request is only going to be considered if there is a history of persistent vandalism or otherwise disruptive editing on it. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 21:40, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
- Hi SHIBUYA8! All user pages are already automatically semi-protected without anything needing to be done to protect the pages. The protection level won't be increased without a good reason to do so – editors who are experienced enough to have the technical ability to edit your user page generally are aware that doing so is only considered acceptable when there is a good reason. Tollens (talk) 21:42, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
- @SHIBUYA8: There are few valid reasons why someone should edit your
talkuser page, but they do exist. For example, suppose you inadvertently added it to a category meant for articles only. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:53, 9 March 2024 (UTC)- Pigsonthewing I think you might have meant user page rather than talk page? Theroadislong (talk) 21:59, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you, yes. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:00, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
- SHIBUYA8, no editor other than you has edited your userpage. What are you worried about? Administrators do not protect pages pre-emptively without evidence of disruption. Cullen328 (talk) 22:49, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you, yes. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:00, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
- Pigsonthewing I think you might have meant user page rather than talk page? Theroadislong (talk) 21:59, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
BBC news anchors
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Female news preseñtors 2A02:C7C:60AC:5500:ADF1:5BAC:4248:AB6A (talk) 22:16, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
- Hello. Do you have a question about editing Wikipedia? Cullen328 (talk) 22:45, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
Hi, I'm new to Wikipedia.
Is there a rule about how often you can cite particular sites? I've found it easiest to search a few different online journals, newspapers because of their search function on their sites and the variety of topics they cover. It takes time to search for a lot of different sources...but I just don't know the rules, as I think I may have linked a lot to one site, but I mean to vary it when I have more free time.
Is there a rule about the maximum percentage you should link to one site?
Lifelong learner837 (talk) 22:57, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
Hello, Lifelong learner837. Based on the discussions on your talk page, you seem to have been adding inappropriate external links repeatedly to multiple articles. This can definitely be seen by other editors as spammimg, specially when the link is not directly pertinent to the content. Please read External links to understand the few occasions when such links are appropriate and the many where they are. I also recommend that you read Wikipedia:Citation overkill which explains some of the other concerns that have been brought to your attention. It is not a matter of a maximum percentage from a given source so much as quality. You could buy today's New York Times and use it to improve dozens of articles and no one would complain if your usage of that newspaper is germane and fills a need. You should not do this, though, if you work for that newspaper. Cullen328 (talk) 23:17, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks so much. It seems that a number of my edits have been removed, even though I thought they added relevant information that was not previously on the page. I have only been editing on Wikipedia a few days and I was exited to be able to add new entries. I only opened my account in March. Can you tell me if there has been an action based on my edits? I will make an effort to vary my sources.It just takes a lot of time to search the whole internet. Lifelong learner837 (talk) 23:34, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, Lifelong learner, and welcome to the Teahouse. Please look at WP:BRD, for an explanation of the process by which we reach consensus. It is normal to have some edits reverted, and this doesn't necessarily mean that there was anything wrong with your edit, just that another editor disagreed.
- Having said that, if a lot of your edits are being reverted by different people, and even more if several warnings are placed in your user talk page, it is worth considering if there is something you are3 missing,
- It's not about "varying your sources": it is about choosing reliable sources, and also discerning where a citation is required. Not all information available about a subject is necessarily appropriate for an article (see WP:INDISCRIMINATE). ColinFine (talk) 16:58, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
Tables
How do you add a table to use the templates that you use on your user page? I tried so many things and It doesn't work out properly, so can y'all help? Thanks, MissYandere MissYandere (talk) 23:03, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
- Note: the asker has abandoned her account:
done with this account and will be back with a new account
. - On a different note, SPI (to determine if WP:FRESHSTART applies) the best course of action? She hasn't really edited much of mainspace, even if she doesn't seem to understand this isn't a social media site where you can abandon accounts and create new ones willy-nilly. Minutes before abandoning the account, MissYandere declared the existence of alternate account MissYandere2; four days before that, she claimed to
used to have two accounts before I wanted to start fresh because of the hate I'm getting on here
. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 01:48, 10 March 2024 (UTC)- She's at ammiinsane? and Starrixgamerrix, according to the latter's userpage (permalink):
my alt. account is ammiinsane?
(at the very bottom) andI used to have my other account which is MissYandere but I got tired of it...don't confuse me for a sockpuppet account because I don't have an alt. yet, and I have never been banned because I don't break rules
(at the very top). WP:ALTACCN says:Links [between alternative accounts] should ideally take the form of all three of the following: 1. Similarities in the username
(italics mine). Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 15:04, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
- She's at ammiinsane? and Starrixgamerrix, according to the latter's userpage (permalink):
Searching deleted articles by CSD reason?
Hi all I can't seem to figure out how to search delete articles by deletion reason. I'm trying to find some G5/G11/G12/G13 articles that could be notable and take a stab but it's pretty annoying to try to sift through the thousands of articles deleted for other reasons. Anyone know a way? Thanks TLAtlak 23:04, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
- You can use Quarry; I've just ran a querry for G5 speedy deletions here, for example. ObserveOwl (chit-chat • my doings) 23:14, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
- Appreciate it! Looks like a great tool to play around with, thanks. TLAtlak 23:28, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
Abortions and both parental rights to make decisions together:
With all the political views on abortions and a woman's right to make a decision for herself supporting Women Empowerment with those campaigning to remove a right for the Abortion Law not study different views of this subject only looking at the negatives of this right. Not all abortions are based on negative perspectives with those who have been campaigning to remove a woman's right to make her own decision or in this "Act" the Right for both parents to decide together. 216.14.253.140 (talk) 23:11, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
- Hello. Wikipedia is not a forum to debate sociopolitical issues. Do you have a question about editing Wikipedia? Cullen328 (talk) 23:19, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
A question about a lack of a quality source
Hello, I'm editing Sayaka Senbongi's wikipedia article to add a character she voiced in Granblue Fantasy. I found a behindthevoiceactors page for her contribution to the game, but it doesn't include the date she contributed. Despite my best efforts I can't find a source for the date that isn't a player run wiki. The information is in the game, but it requires an account and to own the character to view. Should I just leave the source information for the date of her contribution out with the knowledge that I've placed it under the correct year, or should I link the wiki? I can confirm the wiki is correct, I just can't link the confirmation that the wiki is correct. I've not pushed the edit through yet (though it is ready to go once I get clarification!) so none of this is visible on the wiki page, I've linked it regardless.
Thanks in advance! Bariaus (talk) 00:25, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
- Hi, Bariaus! Given consensus that Behind The Voice Actors is reliable but fan wikis aren't, I'd just leave the date out. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 01:26, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
- Okay, thank you! Bariaus (talk) 14:16, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
How do you flag a page for possibly having an issue?
My example is PragerU’s page, which seems very opinanted. Blackmamba31248 (talk) 02:02, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
- You may use Template:POV in the article, or in PragerU's case, use Template:Political POV. - Dents (talk2me 🖂) he/him btw!!! 02:22, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
- Blackmamba31248 Yes, you can use maintenance templates like POV to flag articles. But you also need to be able to explain what specifically is wrong with the article, preferably using reliable sources to back up your argument. The place to do this would be at Talk:PragerU. If you don't do this, someone will probably remove the template because there's no evidence that it's actually opinionated. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 02:36, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
- To add on to this, Blackmamba31248, the more specific and actionable the concerns are, the more likely you are to get a response. Also, if you start a talk page thread before tagging, you're more likely to get a constructive response to the tags. Good luck, Rjjiii (talk) 06:27, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
Format of [sic]
What is the difference between "sic" in single-square-brackets and in double-curly-brackets? "British Post Office Scandal" has three instances of the former (I just put one of them), and none of the latter. Are they all wrong? 14.201.77.210 (talk) 02:52, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
- Hi IP14. We use double-curly brackets to invoke templates, which are generally shortcuts. Template:Sic just creates a signle-square-bracket [sic] that is also linked to the article about the term. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 03:02, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
Making a Semi-protected edit request
Please put in a request to the appropriate place to make it easier for novice users to generate a "Semi-protected edit request". IP editors who are prevented from editing these pages are also more likely to not know how to create a formal SPER - eg: my request in Talk:Fair game (Scientology) 14.201.77.210 (talk) 02:54, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
- Hello again! If you click on the "View source" link of any semi-protected article, you get a blue button that takes you to an edit request wizard. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 03:03, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
creation of a new wikipedia page by the name of the princy world
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Hi, we need inputs to create a new page by the nam of the princy world which is a company by Dr Aakriti Sharma Kohli into different different verticals Princy07 (talk) 04:09, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
can paegent winners have wikipedia page who have done significant contribution in their field?Hi I have a community and we are paegent winners .Can we have a wikipedia page? Princy07 (talk) 04:17, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
Can someone make my Wikipedia page ?about my body of workAakriti Sharma Kohli Princy07 (talk) 04:54, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
Wikipedia on master reiki healers and other notable healing modalitiesCan you write a Wikipedia page on master reiki healer for the venture The Princy World Princy07 (talk) 11:33, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
Make a Wikipedia page on euro exim bankmake a Wikipedia page on Euro exim bank Princy07 (talk) 11:50, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
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Where can I ask this, is it here? ARBCOM clarification
In talk pages like Hamas there is the template {{Arab-Israeli Arbitration Enforcement}} which states, among other things, this:
"You must be logged-in and extended-confirmed to edit or discuss this topic on any page[..]"
Upon looking at Wikipedia:General sanctions#Active sanctions, in the row for "Palestine-Israel articles 4", it says the following instead:
"The entire set of articles whose topic relates to the Arab-Israeli conflict, broadly interpreted; edits relating to the Arab-Israeli conflict, to pages and discussions in all namespaces with the exception of userspace"
Obviously I cannot talk about this topic, nor am I interested in doing so, but I am interested in if there truly is an exception for userspace or not, and I am not sure where the correct place to ask is. I'd also like to ask, if it is an exception, why is it an exception? – 2804:F14:80C6:A301:243A:A254:1976:1CDD (talk) 05:03, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
- Non-extendedconfirmed editors are also allowed to make edit requests. An exception for userspace was made to keep it a safespace, because no one who doesn't want to, needs to follow userspace discussions. An user's own userspace comes with a lot of extra freedoms not afforded elsewhere. It was thought it would be counterproductive to try and police there. It does not mean you can do anything there. It's simply that there isn't anything special related to the conflict area adding extra rules to existing ones. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 09:53, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
"Bibliography of the..." type article
I recently encountered an article named Bibliography of the Sangh Parivar. I've never seen an article like this in article space before— it's essentially just a collection of reference materials. Is this allowed? Is there an explicit Wikipedia policy on such articles, or precedent for/against such a thing? Brusquedandelion (talk) 07:09, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
- @Brusquedandelion: I don't know about this specific article, but there seems to exist may "Bibliography of...' articles. You may find them if you just type "Bibliography of" in search box and lot of suggested articles pop. ExclusiveEditor Notify Me! 08:53, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
- I've been procrastinating on finishing and publishing Draft:Bibliography of the Chinese language and writing system, myself. If you think about it, the standards are exactly the same as any other article—entries need to be attested in reliable sources. Here, it's usually works being cited or name-checked in other works. Remsense诉 11:40, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
Editing an article's title
Hello there, I've come across a bit of ambiguity concerning the "Solar Renewable Energy Certificate" article. While the title suggests a global scope, the content focuses on the US context. Additionally, there's a related query in the talk thread about the article's geographical scope. To ensure clarity, would it be appropriate to refine the focus by adding "(US)" to the article's title? HerBauhaus (talk) 11:31, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
- Hello. The best thing to do would be to expand the scope of the article. A disambiguator is only needed if there is another article about a topic with the same title. 331dot (talk) 11:36, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
- Usually not. There's nothing about that title that really suggests a global scope. The broadest rule of thumb is that disambiguators on article titles should be used as a last resort—and also that parentheticals as disambiguators should only be used when there's no other natural way to write the common name of a topic, so Monarchy of the United Kingdom, not Monarchy (United Kingdom), etc.
- To put it another way, only disambiguate when there's another topic that needs to be disambiguated from. See WP:NC for more details than you'd ever wanna know about how we fashion article titles on Wikipedia, cheers! Remsense诉 11:38, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
Question 1
Is there some way to see Wikipedians ranked by the number of edits in a certain period of time? For example in the latest 365 days? In xtools.wmcloud.org it is shown the number of edits ij the latest 24 h, 7 d, 30 d and 365 d. Kind regards 14 novembre (talk) 14:07, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
- I actually had this precise question a few days ago, but apparently it's a bit technical, best done with SPARQL and a recent dump of the database? I didn't get very far that time. Remsense诉 14:54, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
- @Remsense Thanks for your answer. Is there some way we can use it for that? Kind regards 14 novembre (talk) 17:36, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
Question 2
I would like to upload a screenshot of a video game, but I'm afraid it is copyrighted. Is it? Kind regards 14 novembre (talk) 14:08, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
- @14 novembre: Almost certainly, but unless you tell us which game, we can't give you a definitive answer. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:12, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
- @Pigsonthewing Thanks for the answer, the game is EA Sports FC Mobile. Kind regards 14 novembre (talk) 17:33, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
- Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Video games#Screenshots advises that the the Gameplay section should have independent sourcing before adding a screenshot. ObserveOwl (chit-chat • my doings) 18:35, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
- I can't imagine that is anything but "all rights reserved". Note that the header image on the article is "fair use", not openly licensed. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:42, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
- @Pigsonthewing Thanks for the answer, the game is EA Sports FC Mobile. Kind regards 14 novembre (talk) 17:33, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
an indian movie in box office collection ranking appears to have less BO than actual count. but i cant change the ranking number. what should i do?
the ranking of this movie remains same, it remains there only. should i cut and paste...? General Phoenix (talk) 15:43, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
- @General Phoenix: Which article? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:13, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
- list of indian films of 2024 General Phoenix (talk) 18:32, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
- @General Phoenix: In that case, which movie? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:43, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
- manjummel boys (2024). i cant change that ranking.... General Phoenix (talk) 17:23, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- @General Phoenix: In that case, which movie? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:43, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
- list of indian films of 2024 General Phoenix (talk) 18:32, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
Am I doing this right?
I have been feeling rather overwhelmed and anxious to submit my edits to Wikipedia, because I (for whatever reason) feel there will be judgement from other editors concerning my edits. Over time I'm sure I will understand Wikipedia better, but is there a solution to my current predicament? If you have any insight please reply to this message, thanks! SHIBUYA8 (talk) 15:49, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
- I think the simplest way to answer this is that of course you're going to be feeling anxious. Of doing something wrong, of having your edits reverted, of being spammed with essays and policies you'd never even heard of. All of that's understandable.
- What you also have to remember is that Wikipedia is a massive project, with god knows how many editors, the large majority of which are here to do one of two things: To improve the site, and to help others either in the search of knowledge or the curation of it. The latter of those two includes you.
- Nothing anyone says is likely to dispel your anxieties, all we can really say is that we were all where you are at one point in our time on this site and we're all here to help you.
- You can ask questions here at any time, or you can head to the Wikipedia Discord server to do the same thing. I'm sure anyone would be happy to help you out. CommissarDoggoTalk? 15:59, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
- SHIBUYA8 In general, Wikipedia advice is be bold in your edits, but if reverted, discuss on the talk page of the article. New editors can be expected to reverted now and then, a common reason being the addition of content an editor knows to be true but not having added a verifying reference at the same time. Your own Sandbox is a good place to develop content and get referencing format correct before copying all that into an article. David notMD (talk) 16:17, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
- @CommissarDoggo, thank you for the kind words. I'll be sure to join the Discord soon! SHIBUYA8 (talk) 18:32, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
- @David notMD, thank you for the tips! I will definitely mess with my Sandbox some more. SHIBUYA8 (talk) 18:33, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
- @SHIBUYA8 Welcome to Wikipedia! As @David notMD said, we encourage people to be bold when editing. The great thing about Wikipedia is that if you do make a mistake, it can be reverted. Also, I see you've already joined a WikiProject—these can be great places to ask more specific questions about editing on certain topics. Feel free to pop back over to the Tea House if you have any other questions or concerns. Happy editing! Unexpectedlydian♯4talk‽ 20:34, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
- @Unexpectedlydian, thank you for the kind words. I love Japan, and I'm sure their WikiProject will help me understand Wikipedia better. Thanks again, have a good one! SHIBUYA8 (talk) 11:11, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
I would like to add information to the pages for "The Atlantic" and "Molly Ball"
I am a newbie. If this the wrong place to be asking for this help, please send me to the right place!
I would to add information to the Wikipedia pages of Molly Ball and also The Atlantic. But I think I may have a conflict of interest so I would like to ask someone "neutral" to add the information. The verifiable source of the information is an article by Erik Wemple of the Washington Post. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/02/29/atlantic-krisher-japan-cambodia-settlement/ (gift link if you hit a paywall and can't read the whole artice: https://wapo.st/48OAGmU). The heading could be possibly titled "Legal Disputes" or "Notable Corrections":
This is the summary of facts (see Washington Post article to confirm):
Dispute Over Article Accuracy and Subsequent Settlement
In December 2017, Molly Ball wrote an article for The Atlantic titled "When the Presses Stop," focusing on Bernard Krisher's life as a journalist and philanthropist, notably his founding of the Cambodia Daily. Following its publication, Deborah Krisher-Steele, Krisher's daughter, contested several aspects of the story, leading to a lawsuit filed in Japan. The lawsuit highlighted concerns over factual inaccuracies and sought corrections to preserve Bernard Krisher's legacy.
The Krisher family's lawsuit brought attention to the challenges U.S. media companies face in international legal environments, contrasting with the protections they enjoy in the United States. Key points of contention included the portrayal of Krisher's response to Ball's personal health insurance issue while she was an employee at Cambodia Daily, descriptions of Krisher's journalistic style, and certain private details regarding Krisher's family.
After six years of legal proceedings, The Atlantic settled the lawsuit in January 2024. As part of the settlement, The Atlantic made 16 post-publication changes to the original article. These changes addressed various aspects, including the clarification of Krisher's efforts to assist with Ball's health-insurance problem in 2003, the nature of the insurance offered by The Cambodia Daily, and several other details related to Krisher's career and personal life. The Atlantic issued a statement regarding the settlement, noting that it was reached in good faith without admitting any liability or wrongdoing.
+++End of Summary+++
If a volunteer editor could help, I would appreciate it. EpicEpochEditor (talk) 16:35, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
- Hey @EpicEpochEditor! Use this wizard to perform a COI edit request on the relevant talk pages.Cheers! Cocobb8 (💬 talk • ✏️ contribs) 16:45, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you! The hyperlink to "this wizard" led me to a blank page. Could you kindly tell me the URL and I will follow your guidance. EpicEpochEditor (talk) 16:51, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
- Hello! The hyperlink is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Edit_Request_Wizard/COI - Master of Hedgehogs (converse) (hate that hedgehog!) 16:52, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you, got it! EpicEpochEditor (talk) 17:02, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
- Opinion pieces are subject to WP:RSOPINION. In this case, if the WaPo opinion piece is the only source for the proposed text, it needs be attributed in-text to Erik Wemple and his WaPo opinion piece. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 18:22, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
- The opinion part of the piece by Erik Wemple is whether or not the same lawsuit would yield the same results in the US. I only repeated the facts about the case in Japan and the outcome, which are facts (verified by the Washington Post) and not opinion. Hopefully that meets the standards of Wikipedia. EpicEpochEditor (talk) 02:42, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- Opinion pieces are subject to WP:RSOPINION. In this case, if the WaPo opinion piece is the only source for the proposed text, it needs be attributed in-text to Erik Wemple and his WaPo opinion piece. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 18:22, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
- @The Master of Hedgehogs: A better way to give that link is Wikipedia:Edit Request Wizard/COI. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:46, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks! - Master of Hedgehogs (converse) (hate that hedgehog!) 19:48, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you Master of Hedgehogs and others who piped in with guidance. I sent in my edit request to Wizard/COI for their review. EpicEpochEditor (talk) 02:31, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
The COI wizard is here to help you. 🌺 Cremastra (talk) 21:22, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you, got it! EpicEpochEditor (talk) 17:02, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
- Hello! The hyperlink is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Edit_Request_Wizard/COI - Master of Hedgehogs (converse) (hate that hedgehog!) 16:52, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you! The hyperlink to "this wizard" led me to a blank page. Could you kindly tell me the URL and I will follow your guidance. EpicEpochEditor (talk) 16:51, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
Userbox
I need help on creating my personalized userbox(s). Fugabus (talk) 19:44, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, @Fugabus! I recommend checking out Wikipedia:Userboxes#Creating a new userbox. - Master of Hedgehogs (converse) (hate that hedgehog!) 19:50, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
Creating an article
Are there any specific requirements for creating an article? Does the topic at hand need to be popular/generally recognized by the general public beforehand? Cystidia (talk) 22:38, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
- As a general rule yes, there are general notability guidelines, however there are specific ones to different topics. Your First Article will help you a whole bunch as well. CommissarDoggoTalk? 22:42, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you! Cystidia (talk) 22:45, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
Using the excerpt template but changing the header level
Is there a way to change the header level of transcluded content when using Template:Excerpt? This seems like a common enough use case— when you want to nest an excerpt that has headers within it at a different root heading level than in the original article— but I can't seem to find any documentation about it. If this template doesn't support it, what are the recommended alternatives or workarounds? Brusquedandelion (talk) 22:59, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
- Brusquedandelion, I presume you are excerpting a section with all its subsections? If so, switch to just excerpting one section at a time (you will need multiple {{Excerpt}}s, one for each) and supply whatever heading or subheading you want just above each individual {{Excerpt}}. Mathglot (talk) 07:36, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
- @Mathglot that solution occurred to me, but is painful and tedious if there are many subsections, and would require editing of the article embedding the excerpted text every time the sectioning of the excerpt changed, which partially defeats one of the reasons for excerpting... was wondering if there was a better way, but if not, it is what it is, of course. Brusquedandelion (talk) 10:38, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
Avoiding indiscriminate listings in "Persecution of..." or bigotry/oppression-related pages
Can someone point me in the direction of any guidelines (should they exist) on how to write and structure an article on the persecution or oppression of the members of an ethnicity/religion/political persuasion/sexuality etc. without producing a WP:INDISCRIMINATE listing of every time someone did anything bad to a member of the given group ever? Are there any concrete policies on this, or litmus tests for when a specific piece of content should be included in such articles? Some example articles, which range in quality, with some clearly leaning towards the indiscriminate end of things and others not so much:
- Persecution of Hindus
- Persecution of Christians
- Antisemitism
- Islamophobia
- Violence against LGBT people
- Anti-communism
You get the idea. Brusquedandelion (talk) 23:13, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
Gabriela Zych - translation from Polish
Dear Friends.
I have translated an article from Polish into English (it was on a list of articles that should be translated). Could a native speaker of English look at the thing, edit it and then give ma "a-ok" to post it on main Wikipedia?
LINK: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Kaworu1992/sandbox
Best wishes -- Kaworu1992 (talk) 21:27, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
EDIT: Also, can I add a photo of her even if it is being protected by the copyrights? It seems to me that American law is very different in that regard to Polish one? -- Kaworu1992 (talk) 21:30, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
- Photos (etc.) cannot be added to the usual repository of Wikimedia Commons unless they are in the Public domain or have been released under an appropriate Creative Commons licence by the copyright holder only.
- On this English-language Wikipedia, use of copyrighted images is sometimes possible under the Fair use doctrine. This never applies to a living person, since it would be possible for someone to take a new photo of them and release it, but since this subject has been dead for 14-ish years, a single non-free image could be used if no suitable free image can be found.
- HOWEVER, such 'Fair use' images can only be added to Articles – they cannot be added to drafts (or User pages, etc.). If you (or another) are going to use a non-free image under Fair use, you will have to wait until the draft is accepted as an article before adding it.
- Lack of a photo will not affect the acceptance of the draft as an article, and you could add a note to the draft's Talk page explaining to reviewers that you have a particular photo in mind, and even add a link to it if it's on the Internet. Hope this helps (and that I've got everything right – copyright is very tricky.) {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 51.198.186.221 (talk) 09:36, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- @Kaworu1992 In relation to the text of the article, one of her key claims to notability seems to be that she "was running a mangle" for which she won a cross of merit. The "mangle" links to a disambiguation page which has no meaning I can see which would lead to a prize. Is this a mis-translation? I think it would be helpful to readers if you used the |quote and |trans-quote parameters on some of the references so that non-Polish speakers here on the English Wikipedia would understand more about what the sources say. I suggest you submit the draft to the WP:AfC process using the {{user sandbox}} template, so that experienced editors can formally provide feedback or suggestions. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:29, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- Dear Mike.
- I do not think she was awarded the Cross because of her mangle - more likely because of her Katyn activity. I mean, the official website of the Polish goverment is kind of laconic and I can only wonder. It does seems like she was awarded because of the mangle, though - maybe I will just put an enter in there?
- I will also put the template in my sandbox so other can check the article ;-) Thank you for this suggestion ;-)
- Best wishes
- -- Kaworu1992 (talk) 13:41, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- @Kaworu1992 Sorry, I still don't understand why it is significant she was "running a mangle". As the target article says, that is an old type of laundry device for removing water from clothes. Was she providing some sort of laundry service and, if so, to whom and why? Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:47, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- I've just noticed that a small article Gabriela Zych already exists. As such, I think it would be better if you just incorporated the new material directly into it and then blanked your sandbox page. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:51, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- @Kaworu1992 Sorry, I still don't understand why it is significant she was "running a mangle". As the target article says, that is an old type of laundry device for removing water from clothes. Was she providing some sort of laundry service and, if so, to whom and why? Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:47, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
Correct use of listas
I've written a couple biographies and want them to correctly list alphabetically by last name within categories. For example, both Rufus Clark and Geoffrey Cuming currently list by first name (R and G, respectively) in the categories they populate. Where am I going wrong here? ~ Pbritti (talk) 02:40, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- Hi Pbritti. It looks like Rufus Clark has the DEFAULTSORT magic word but it's been left blank. That one should be "DEFAULTSORT:Clark, Rufus", and Cuming should follow the same pattern. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 02:52, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- Aha! Thank you, Firefangledfeathers! ~ Pbritti (talk) 04:12, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
Person not listening to me
User:Elvisisalive95 keeps reverting my edits without any summary; they also deleted my comment when I asked them about it. Can someone help? 2605:B40:13E7:F600:40FE:7B6D:17E8:D289 (talk) 03:26, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- Hello IP 2605:B40:13E7:F600:40FE:7B6D:17E8:D289, I see two sides to this question. The editor is not talking to you. It is on them. They need to do better. But this sort of thing has happened to me too, at Songs 2 (Rich Mullins album), for example. The editor had reverted multiple attempts at redirection. So, I posted to their talk page. They didn't revert my message, but the reverted at the article again. So, I nominated the article for deletion. So, the second facet, what you can do next, comes down to WP:BLAR. As an IP, it would be cumbersome to create an AFD, so perhaps you might opt for WP:MERGE requests instead. Merge discussions are even worse-attended than deletion discussions but the final outcome that you seek would be the same, conversion of that article to redirect. I will ask the editor why they are not communicating with you, in the meanwhile. Regards! — Usedtobecool ☎️ 03:58, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- @Usedtobecool This IP is blanking pages prior to consensus, they had previously done the same to Metal-Head & then got blocked for edit warring. Now they’re back doing the same exact thing with another account. Elvisisalive95 (talk) 04:06, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- Elvisisalive95, if I have this correct, they were blocked for one week in February, and they've been blocked again today. But they were not blocked in between when the recent incident occured. Honestly I am more sympathetic to the IP in the February incident. They were explaining themselves in the edit summaries and even started a discussion on the talk page. You breached WP:3RR without even using edit summaries. You were even warned by an admin to do better and you promised you would but here you failed to do so again. At no point, I see that the IP was told that policies required them to go to AFD once reverted in a WP:BLAR attempt. If someone had, then the case for disruptive editing would be much stronger. Please talk to editors who are not blocked, especially when they initiate conversations. WP:BLAR is not vandalism. Please stop characterising it as such, moving forward. As a recent changes patroller, it is paramount that you be precise about the reasons and the warnings that you use, since you are using automated warnings which say very specific things, which if they don't apply, the people who get warned are liable to think it was a mistake and just ignore it.
IP, you are blocked again, for one month, this time. You really need to stop edit-warring. That never gets you your object. Especially as an IP editor, you are easier to block and forget about than mentor. Please either make an unblock request or wait out your block. When you get back, only ever blank and redirect an article once. If that does not stick, initiate formal deletion procedures. Best, — Usedtobecool ☎️ 05:01, 11 March 2024 (UTC)- First of all i want to thank you for taking your time to go through this entire matter. As for this matter, failure to go through the proper channels & blanking pages prior to consensus is vandalism. That’s why they got blocked for the 2nd time. I had already explained that to them the last time and they came back doing the same thing. Template warnings were sufficient for this specific case in my opinion. Again, thank you for what you do, you’re appreciated here. Elvisisalive95 (talk) 17:55, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- Elvisisalive95, if I have this correct, they were blocked for one week in February, and they've been blocked again today. But they were not blocked in between when the recent incident occured. Honestly I am more sympathetic to the IP in the February incident. They were explaining themselves in the edit summaries and even started a discussion on the talk page. You breached WP:3RR without even using edit summaries. You were even warned by an admin to do better and you promised you would but here you failed to do so again. At no point, I see that the IP was told that policies required them to go to AFD once reverted in a WP:BLAR attempt. If someone had, then the case for disruptive editing would be much stronger. Please talk to editors who are not blocked, especially when they initiate conversations. WP:BLAR is not vandalism. Please stop characterising it as such, moving forward. As a recent changes patroller, it is paramount that you be precise about the reasons and the warnings that you use, since you are using automated warnings which say very specific things, which if they don't apply, the people who get warned are liable to think it was a mistake and just ignore it.
Is RYM reliable?
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Is the genre section of Rate Your Music reliable to add as a genre on Wikipedia? Spencer524 (talk) 04:42, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- No. See WP:RYM.
It's always a good idea to check WP:RSP for questions about source reliability. CodeTalker (talk) 05:00, 11 March 2024 (UTC)- If RSP doesn't have the thing your looking for, WP:RSN is another good place to ask NW1223<Howl at me•My hunts> 15:44, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- yeah I checked, RYM isn't reliable, if you are an administrator, you might want to check Another Day in Paradise by Phil Collins page. Spencer524 (talk) 15:46, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, Spencer524, and welcome to the Teahouse. If an article is citing an unreliable source, anybody may remove the citation - it doesn't require an admin.
- The best action always is to find a reliable source, and substitute it; or if a reliable source cannot be found, remove the citation and the information which depends on it.
- But editors being busy people and working on what they choose, often people will just add a tag: probably {{unreliable source}}. ColinFine (talk) 16:28, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- yeah I checked, RYM isn't reliable, if you are an administrator, you might want to check Another Day in Paradise by Phil Collins page. Spencer524 (talk) 15:46, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- If RSP doesn't have the thing your looking for, WP:RSN is another good place to ask NW1223<Howl at me•My hunts> 15:44, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
How to make it neutral tone, or improve.
I am currently revising an article about an Austrian artist(painter), and the article requires a neutral tone. I have made my best effort to ensure the text is neutral, but I would greatly appreciate the assistance of experienced editors in reviewing and improving the content. Your expertise will help ensure that the article maintains a balanced and unbiased perspective.
Thank you for your time and consideration. Wikiasd (talk) 08:46, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- I would generally refer to WP:PUFFERY, which has more tips and examples.
- Looking at your first few sentences:
Franz Brandner is an Austrian artist renowned for his vibrant works that often reflect his experiences in South Korea.
- Right out of the gate, renowned for his vibrant works is unacceptable editorializing. Try known for his works inspired by his experiences in South Korea.
Brandner showed an early affinity for the arts. His passion led him to pursue a formal education in art, culminating in his graduation from Art College. During his college years, Brandner was exposed to a wide range of artistic styles and mediums, which would later influence his diverse body of work.
- Once more, showed an early affinity is not empirical—if a source relates this, that source should be attributed, phrases like this should not be written in wikivoice. Moreover, this likely shouldn't be here at all unless it's particularly relevant to what reliable sources say about the subject. I would rewrite this as Brandner was exposed to a variety of aesthetic influences while attending art college, which would later influence much of his work.
- Also, it would be nice to hear what the influences are proportional to their attestation in sources so it rests on the substance of the topic.
- To reemphasize, terms like vivid and significant role in fostering cultural exchange through his art should almost never be used in Wikipedia's own voice. If they are due at all, they should be attributed. If you end up with too many quotes after that, that means you're still trying to puff the subject up. Once again, check WP:PUFFERY. Cheers! Remsense诉 09:00, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- This article is suffused with windy nothings. "Brandner’s professional journey began with the establishment of his art studio in Innsbruck" means, I think, "Brandner set up his studio in Innsbruck". "[P]romoting mutual understanding and appreciation between the two nations" is a staple of the most somniferous of speeches, delivered to people yawning, nodding off, or fiddling with their phones. -- Hoary (talk) 12:33, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- Another example of 'content' not supported by a reference: "His work has attracted the attention of art enthusiasts and dignitaries alike..." And throughout, I agree there is so much vague laudatory wording. The root of the problem is that you - the creator - moved this from your Sandbox to mainspace without submitting it to Article for Creation for a review, which would have resulted in it being Declined. It is possible that a New Pages Patrol reviewer will convert it to Draft status, or even Speedy deleted it as unacceptable. David notMD (talk) 13:02, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
Wikiasd On a different note, I strongly suspect you created your account to conduct undeclared paid editing. You created a Sandbox draft of this article on 28 Feb, then on 9 March added word hyperlinks to a dozen random articles (all since reverted), so as to qualify for creating an article in mainspace - and then moved your Sandbox to mainspace on the same day. Please reply. David notMD (talk) 13:26, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- How do I get review from the sandbox draft? Wikiasd (talk) 18:45, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
Franz Brandner has been deleted by an Administrator. You have an early version at your Sandbox. You can work on that - avoiding all wording that is not neutral point of view - and submit it for AfC review when you believe it is ready. Before that, I strongly recommend that if yours is a paid or personal connection to Brandner, you use the instructions at WP:PAID or WP:COI to describe your connection. David notMD (talk) 20:18, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
"Reaction" to a novel
I'm preparing a review of a novel (in Visual Editor). In the "Reaction" section there will be a selection of comments from published articles. I'm also thinking of including the ratings from people who have bought the book on Amazon, i.e. 45% very good, 30% good, 15% poor etc. Would this be appropriate for a Wikipedia article? Pjplumbing (talk) 11:30, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- Pjplumbing, refer to MOS:NOVELS if you aren't. It should be a "Reception" section rather than a reaction. As for Amazon, the answer would be no, almost always. You can't cite to Amazon directly. If another reliable source has quoted those numbers, put them in good context that also fits well within the article, and the numbers are not outdated already, is when I would find them acceptable. Best, — Usedtobecool ☎️ 11:46, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- See also: WP:AMAZON — Usedtobecool ☎️ 11:48, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- If your question is about Mrs Osmond, which has been accepted as an article, then your Reception section already has quotes from a number of professional book reviewers. That should suffice. Although you did not ask, in my opinion the plot summary is far too long. David notMD (talk) 13:11, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- See also: WP:AMAZON — Usedtobecool ☎️ 11:48, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
Infobox
The infobox I added stops in the middle, it is not visible 'front desk'. The information wich follows, and thus is not visible, is written in the same way as the foregoing, so I don't have a clue what's going on. This is te page: https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harmonie_%22De_Vriendenkrans%22 Mathuw (talk) 14:49, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- This is a question better asked at the NLWiki's Teahouse (assuming it has one). CommissarDoggoTalk? 14:51, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- I am sorry, as soon as I logged in, I was sent to the English Wiki. I will try to move over to the dutchmen. Mathuw (talk) 14:54, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- No worries, I hope you find an answer. CommissarDoggoTalk? 15:06, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- I am sorry, as soon as I logged in, I was sent to the English Wiki. I will try to move over to the dutchmen. Mathuw (talk) 14:54, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
Articles not posted
I have written articles on two artists: Wallace Bradstreet Putnam, and Rafael Leonardo Black. Neither one of them appear on Wikipedia, but I do not understand why. Is there someone I can contact to ask why? FrancisNaumann (talk) 15:06, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- It appears that you've put in undeletion requests for the two articles, one of which has been returned to your sandbox.
- Looking at the article itself, it's absolutely filled with puffery and is a nightmare for anyone who holds neutral point of view dear. You'll need to seriously improve it before it can become a full article. CommissarDoggoTalk? 15:11, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- Draft:Wallace Bradstreet Putnam has not been submitted for review since un-deletion was requested. Theroadislong (talk) 15:12, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- Here is the page that actually got undeleted, it has only a single source and is similarly filled with puffery and a lack of a neutral point of view (I also noticed you appear to be involved in that singular source?). CommissarDoggoTalk? 15:13, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- User has also extensively edited the article about themselves here Francis Naumann without any declaration of conflict of interest. Theroadislong (talk) 15:19, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
Mobile page creation
Can pages that don’t exist be viewed and new pages be created on the (IOS) app? 2600:100A:B1E1:6558:82D:BE41:7B6C:7CF7 (talk) 15:17, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- I'm sorry but pages that don't exist cannot be viewed on any app, neither can they be created on the iPhone app. For more information please see mw:Wikimedia Apps/iOS FAQ Shantavira|feed me 10:57, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
Preview mode is not working
It only displays the edit window. Other features that depend on the Preview Mode, like What links here? are not working either. deisenbe (talk) 15:33, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- This is on an iPad using the Safari browser. deisenbe (talk) 17:52, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- I installed the Duck Duck Go browser and it runs fine. Something I could do is erase and reinstall Safari. In fact I should do a hard close on it. deisenbe (talk) 18:54, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- Hard close solved nothing. It is impossible to un-install Safari, the system prohibits it. deisenbe (talk) 19:09, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- The inability to uninstall one browser doesn't prevent you from installing an additional browser, as an alternative. 1.33.56.248 (talk) 21:47, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
Vandalism
If a user keeps vandalizing an article, what do I do? The crazy thing is that it's not one user, it's multiple! Also how do I protect articles like other users? CreatorOfMinecraftHerobrine (talk) 15:48, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- If you have a plugin like WP:TWINKLE then it's pretty easy to deal with vandals through the warning templates. If I may ask, what page are you referencing? CommissarDoggoTalk? 15:53, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- Ethiopian Airlines Flight 302. See its talk page to help understand what's going on CreatorOfMinecraftHerobrine (talk) 15:54, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- @CreatorOfMinecraftHerobrine, page protection can be requested at WP:RFPP. 57.140.16.57 (talk) 16:34, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, CreatorOfMinecraftHerobrine. I don't see vandalism on that article (which is defined as editing intended to damage Wikipedia). I see users inserting information which others disagree with and remove. This is normal on Wikipedia: see WP:BRD.
- If users are repeatedly editing against consensus, then that might be disruptive editing, for which they should be warned and if necessary taken to WP:ANI ColinFine (talk) 16:41, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- Ethiopian Airlines Flight 302. See its talk page to help understand what's going on CreatorOfMinecraftHerobrine (talk) 15:54, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- @CreatorOfMinecraftHerobrine: Please see WP:NOTVANDAL. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:59, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
Kernow
Hi, why do Palestinians get to be from Palestine, but Cornish people from Kernow are forced to be "English" on Wikipedia? Do you only listen to what the colonial oppressor says about their prize or not? 86.3.208.127 (talk) 16:56, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- honestly i have thought about that too...british empire yk. india also faced this but we fought back (no political or religious issue here, just historical) General Phoenix (talk) 17:25, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- Exactly. It's imperialism! So it's particularly galling, as a colonised minority, to be trying to correct this on English-language Wikipedia and having the editors here tell me I'm "vandalising" because they are upholding English imperialism. 86.3.208.127 (talk) 17:35, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- I fixed the Richard Carew article my 'ansome. 😁 Tewdar 17:50, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- You are a gentleman and a scholar, thank you. Kernow bys vykken, pard. --86.3.208.127 (talk) 20:03, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- Meur ras dhis, yma an wiasva ma er agan pynn, soweth... Tewdar 20:12, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- Gwir an ger. Gwikor Frank (talk) 20:15, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- Meur ras dhis, yma an wiasva ma er agan pynn, soweth... Tewdar 20:12, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- You are a gentleman and a scholar, thank you. Kernow bys vykken, pard. --86.3.208.127 (talk) 20:03, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- I fixed the Kitty Jenner article, sos. If they call that vandalism, they're high. --Gwikor Frank (talk) 20:46, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- An ughella, yns... Tewdar 21:26, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- IP editor, Wikipedia operates on consensus, so you will have to convince other editors interested in these articles to accept the changes you want to make. There is frequent disagreement about terms like "British" as opposed to "English" for example, and it gets worse from there. A line of argument that compares Cornish people to Palestinians is unlikely to be persuasive, in my view. The bottom line is that you cannot force your changes through, and must persuade those who disagree with you, using arguments based on Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Cullen328 (talk) 18:00, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- So, how, precisely, do you expect a national minority, one that has been oppressed for centuries, to convince the national majority that colonises it to agree to respect their identity? Numerically, this seems doomed from the start. 86.3.208.127 (talk) 19:58, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- Pretty much yes, see WP:RGW. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:02, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- But the problem is, you are not recording accurately. There is no record of a legal rejoinder of Kernow to England. Legally, Cornwall is not part of England. Indeed, sources cite it as being separate from England throughout history. Wikipedia is choosing false information that does not exist over true information that does. 86.3.208.127 (talk) 20:05, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- And you wonder why Wikipedia editors are mostly straight white dudes from the global majority. --Gwikor Frank (talk) 20:15, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- Pretty much yes, see WP:RGW. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:02, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- I'm fairly sure we have at least an essay on "Should they be called British or whatever", but haven't found it. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:27, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- Might you be thinking of WP:UKNATIONALS? Shaws username . talk . 18:31, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- Looks like it! The WP:UKCHANGE part seems on-topic. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:40, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- So, if sources support it, nationality = Cornish would be acceptable in the lead and infobox, correct? 🤔 Tewdar 19:20, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- In the lead I think so (although some people might disagree) but I don't think so for the infobox since legally speaking they are/were British nationals. However MOS:INFONAT does say that there's no reason for nationality to be in the infobox when it can be inferred from birthplace. So, from my interpretation, there's no reason to have the infobox give either as a nationality when it also has a birthplace. Shaws username . talk . 19:49, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- So it seems like what you're telling me is that it would NOT be considered vandalism to list a Cornish person as "a Cornish [author or whatever]" in an article on English Wikipedia? And yet, every time I do so, I am told I am vandalising. 86.3.208.127 (talk) 20:00, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- You need to provide reliable sources, like I did on the Richard Carew article. Tewdar 20:04, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- Whilst I get while you're coming from, I'm not sure I should have to cite that Kernow isn't in England any more than I should have to cite that Tibet isn't. --86.3.208.127 (talk) 20:06, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- It's the only way to win around here, like it or not. Tewdar 20:17, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- Whilst I get while you're coming from, I'm not sure I should have to cite that Kernow isn't in England any more than I should have to cite that Tibet isn't. --86.3.208.127 (talk) 20:06, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- Hi IP, the other thing is that you're an IP editor, sorry to say. You'll find people will be less twitchy on the vandalism reversions if you stick around for a while on a named account. -- asilvering (talk) 04:50, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
- I checked some of yesterdays edits, didn't see anyone use the word "vandalism", so "every time" is wrong. Some reverts had no WP:ES, but so did the original edits. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:10, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
- It's right here, don't gaslight me. 86.3.208.127 (talk) 09:34, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
- Still not "every time", but yes, there it is. @The Herald, do you think WP:VANDALISM was right in context? WP:NOTVAND applies to automated messages as well. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:46, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
- It's right here, don't gaslight me. 86.3.208.127 (talk) 09:34, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
- I checked some of yesterdays edits, didn't see anyone use the word "vandalism", so "every time" is wrong. Some reverts had no WP:ES, but so did the original edits. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:10, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
- You need to provide reliable sources, like I did on the Richard Carew article. Tewdar 20:04, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- So it seems like what you're telling me is that it would NOT be considered vandalism to list a Cornish person as "a Cornish [author or whatever]" in an article on English Wikipedia? And yet, every time I do so, I am told I am vandalising. 86.3.208.127 (talk) 20:00, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- In the lead I think so (although some people might disagree) but I don't think so for the infobox since legally speaking they are/were British nationals. However MOS:INFONAT does say that there's no reason for nationality to be in the infobox when it can be inferred from birthplace. So, from my interpretation, there's no reason to have the infobox give either as a nationality when it also has a birthplace. Shaws username . talk . 19:49, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- So, if sources support it, nationality = Cornish would be acceptable in the lead and infobox, correct? 🤔 Tewdar 19:20, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- Looks like it! The WP:UKCHANGE part seems on-topic. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:40, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- There are four sources that describe Carew as Cornish (and several more for a CITEBOMB if necessary), and zero sources that describe him as British or English (that I could find). Incidentally, I have found Wikipedia's treatment of Cornish people, language, and culture to be, in several cases I have been unfortunately involved in, utterly disgusting. Tewdar 19:08, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- I fully agree with you re: our treatment here. I'm an administrator over on Kernewek Wikipedia, but I never come here any more because of the way this Wiki treats us. Gwikor Frank (talk) 20:10, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- "I never come here any more." But here you are. 1.33.56.248 (talk) 21:40, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- What a helpful comment. You're quite right, though, I have newfound zeal for English Wikipedia editing thanks to the excellent example of shown by Tewdar. Gwikor Frank (talk) 22:22, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- I read a comment the other day on here that claimed Cornish people are
mostly descended from 18th century immigrant miners from the Midlands and their families
. Can you imagine anyone making such ridiculous claims about other ethnic groups not getting INSTA-PERMABANNED? Tewdar 11:48, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
- "I never come here any more." But here you are. 1.33.56.248 (talk) 21:40, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- I fully agree with you re: our treatment here. I'm an administrator over on Kernewek Wikipedia, but I never come here any more because of the way this Wiki treats us. Gwikor Frank (talk) 20:10, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- Might you be thinking of WP:UKNATIONALS? Shaws username . talk . 18:31, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- So, how, precisely, do you expect a national minority, one that has been oppressed for centuries, to convince the national majority that colonises it to agree to respect their identity? Numerically, this seems doomed from the start. 86.3.208.127 (talk) 19:58, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- Responding due to the courtesy ping Like Cullen328 said, Wikipedia operates on consensus. If your edits are being reverted everytime as test edits or vandalism, then you must approach an alternate method. I agree it might be in hindsight that the automated warnings termed them as vandalism, but they were constituting to disruption since your edits were not supported by references from reliable sources. Cornish or British, you have to back up your claim, else it will be defaulted to British per the already established consensus. You may start discussion in respective talk pages or even an RfC if you are interested genuinely in changing the 'wrong'. Thanks and happy editing. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 10:19, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
- So, to clarify, you do not think that being born in Cornwall makes one Cornish? The facts speak for themselves! Gwikor Frank (talk) 10:33, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
- Most of the time, there are literally zero sources supporting claims that people born in Cornwall are 'British' or 'English', but somehow nobody ever asks for any sources for that. Hmm. Sounds a little bit one sided. I'd say the WP:EXTRAORDINARY claim in these cases would be that the individuals are British or English, myself. Where can I read the 'already established consensus'? Tewdar 11:42, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
Editing with vpn
Aside from my phone, my only way of editing would be on my school laptop. The issue is the school uses Securly which led to a friend of mine getting her account blocked. If I sign in on my laptop will my account get blocked? Is there any way to get around this issue? (Hope this is the right place for this)Flaming Hot Mess of Confusion (talk) 18:30, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- @Flaming Hot Mess of Confusion Welcome to Wikipedia! If you don't get good reply here at the Teahouse, you can try Wikipedia:Village pump (technical). But give it a day. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:45, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- @Flaming Hot Mess of Confusion According to [5], Securly uses a proxy server, which means that anyone using a proxy to edit can be blocked on sight according to WP:Open proxies. If your personal laptop does not use a proxy, then you should be able to edit with it just fine. Happy editing! Relativity 04:41, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
Skye Terrier: - Statue - Tartan - Name Day
I would like to offer Wikipedia information on the Skye Terrier. Such as: the Life-sized statue on the Isle Of Skye unveiled by HRH Princess Anne; The Skye Terrier Tartan; and 'Skye Terrier Day' being 21 February. I have document items I will happily email to Wikipedia so as to ensure that the information is correct. Bruce Wylie (talk) 19:40, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- Hello and welcome to Wikipedia @Bruce Wylie! If you could provide reliable sources (see this), someone could definitely add the information to the page. Happy editing! Kline • talk to me! • contribs 19:48, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, Bruce Wylie. You could discuss this at Talk:Skye Terrier, but that talk page has been dormant since 2009. Cullen328 (talk) 01:02, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
- Let's elaborate a little, Bruce Wylie. If you could specify one or more of what Wikipedia classes as reliable sources for each of these claims, then you'd be welcome to do either of two things with the claim. You could post the claim/suggestion, of course with its reliable source(s), to Talk:Skye Terrier, in the hope that somebody else will add the material to the article. Or you could edit Skye Terrier yourself, adding the claim with its reference(s). Yes, the talk page has long been dormant, but no matter. If there's no response there after a couple of days, post a message to the foot of Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Dogs, inviting people to respond on Talk:Skye Terrier. Whichever your choice, it won't be necessary to send any email. (I do wonder, however, what the significance might be of "XYZ Day" being such-sand-such a day of the year.) -- Hoary (talk) 01:17, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
Renaming an article
Hello! I came across this article and noticed that Kofax was renamed to Tungsten Automation. I see in the talk pages that there is a request to make the changes too.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kofax
I don't mind making the changes, but I don't know how to change the article name and redirect it. Could anyone explain to me how and/or link me to an article about the process?
Thanks so much. LaesaMajestas (talk) 20:07, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- @LaesaMajestas, you can change the name of an article by moving it to a different title, but I think in this case you have to discuss it in the talk page and get the approval. You can find the info at WP:MOVE. Excellenc1 (talk) 20:19, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
Speedy deletion of an article due to WP:1S
This article contains only one sentence so I draftified it. Should it also be speedy deleted? (I didn't find any criteria that it satisfies). Excellenc1 (talk) 20:16, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- The draft shouldn't be deleted as it is well.. a draft but I tagged the redirect per CSD criteria R2. Hope that helps! Kline • talk to me! • contribs 20:23, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- In my opinion drafitfying was appropriate. If the creating editor was new to Wikipedia, perhaps some time could have been allowed to add to the 'article', but considered a long but mixed editing history of editing, making it a draft feels valid. You did the courtesy of notifying the creating editor that it was now a draft. David notMD (talk) 20:27, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
Antoneta Alamat Kusijanovic
I wrote an article on Antoneta Alamat Kusijanovic that wasn't approved based on notoriety. Can someone let me know why the French version of this is approved? See at link: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antoneta_Alamat_Kusijanović Thank you! 2AMUser (talk) 23:01, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- Hi, the fr wiki has their own notability guidelines, the ones here on en wiki are different. You can see them at WP:NOTABILITY Shaws username . talk . 23:13, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- 2AMUser, Draft:Antoneta Alamat Kusijanovic is not an article but a draft. (I suspect that the surname is misspelled, for Kusijanović.) The draft sounds strangely matey, referring to her has "Antoneta". (En:Wikipedia uses surnames -- other than for Vietnamese, Icelandic, and perhaps some other peoples.) We read that MURINA continued to garner critical acclaim as one of the Best Films of 2022 by The Hollywood Reporter, Associated Press, Vogue, Vulture, The Atlantic, The A.V. Club and The Daily Beast. Why "Best Films" and not "best films"? Why MURINA and not Murina? Why is this major claim sourced simply to "Variety", a link which, when I click on it, confirms none of this? -- Hoary (talk) 01:01, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
Merged articles
I was merging articles a few days ago and forgot to apply the discussion closed template. Should I apply it now? OrdinaryGiraffe (talk) 01:12, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
Should books on a page be classified under 'Further Reading' or 'In Popular Culture'?
I need some clarification on the best way to classify books on a page: under Further reading
or In popular culture
? Does this classification differ between BLP and Non-BLP pages? Charlie (talk) 02:18, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, CharlieMehta. You can read Wikipedia:Further reading and Wikipedia:"In popular culture" content for additional guidance. Here is an example: If a respected historian writes a widely reviewed new book about Harry Truman, then that may belong in a "Further reading" section. If an author writes a best selling novel with Truman as a major character, then that may belong in an "In popular culture" section. Cullen328 (talk) 02:45, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
- The only other factor is that BLP pages require extra care and caution. Cullen328 (talk) 02:47, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
- @Cullen328 Thanks for the clarity. The example you gave clears much of the doubt I had. Charlie (talk) 11:24, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
- The only other factor is that BLP pages require extra care and caution. Cullen328 (talk) 02:47, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
Small arrow pointing to the left
Hello,
While editing, I have seen this symbol in the VisualEditor. I don't know what it means, and it cannot be copied to my clipboard. Can someone explain what that is?
Thank you. EatingCarBatteries (talk) 02:20, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
- @EatingCarBatteries: Those are carriage return symbols. They should correspond to single new lines made in source editor. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 02:30, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
Help please
Two editors have a history of wholesale replacement of the article about the book The Wonder Weeks. I sure would appreciate an experienced editor helping to resolve the matter.
It was reverted to a stub most recently in December 2023. In February, I started revising that version. I built carefully, step by step, correcting factually wrong information and adding relevant information. Today MVoltz reverted the entirety to her version of December 2023, without notice on the Talk page. I had previously documented each substantial point on the Talk page. It is my perception that their rejoinders there either failed to recognize those points or were unresponsive to them, but you can judge that for yourself.
One editor, Pizzaman, has demonstrated on the Talk page that he is importing material from the Dutch Wikipedia community. Apparently, according to the article on the Dutch Wikipedia, this sort of edit warring is kind of the norm there. He and MVoltz seem to be upholding somebody's ill feelings about a controversy involving one author of the book which took place in that country 26 years ago. You can read what I think is an NPOV account of that controversy in my recently reverted February version. The current version (reverted to 2023) is one-sided by omission, and IMO verges on the scurrilous.
I am at a loss how to engage these two editors in good faith discussion. I am reluctant to take it to the admin noticeboard. I think it would be much better for one or more other editors to take a look and help establish a factually accurate, NPOV article. I will try to be attentive but I have an extended family funeral gathering coming up, and Wikipedia has a small part in my life. I would be most happy to have other eyes looking to the accuracy and NPOV of this article. Bn (talk) 04:17, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
- @Bn: The article talk page is hard to follow. Current discussions seems to be intermingled with older discussions, and many posts are very long and detailed. Since it seems you cannot get consensus through discussion on the talk page, look at WP:DR for guidance on how to resolve the dispute. Do not engage in an edit war. RudolfRed (talk) 04:38, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
- Hi @Bn, I'm afraid I think the shorter version is considerably clearer. I agree that there is a clear bias in the article against the content of the book; this is pretty normal on wikipedia for topics that are considered "fringe" - see WP:FRINGE. I do think it would be helpful if the article were expanded, but at a skim through the different versions of the article, it looks to me like most of what's in the current version should stay. I do think people have been pretty rude to you in the course of the talk page discussions, but you also appear to have baselessly accused another editor of having a COI, which isn't very kind either. If you would like to open a formal process that isn't ANI, you could try WP:DR. There's also WP:3O but I'm not sure it's exactly in scope, since the dispute at times involves more than two editors.
- Werdna gave you very good advice, at the bottom of the article's talk page. If you can't see why statements like "it gives parents practical guidance to help their baby's cognitive development" or "This book derives from almost five decades of research" are not neutral statements of fact in this case, I think it's time for you to step away from the article. -- asilvering (talk) 04:43, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
- [Edit clash] Bn, I've removed your email address from your message above. You're free to set up your account here in such a way as to allow people to email you. If they take this option, then when mailing you for the first time (via Wikipedia) they won't be shown your address. (This is good, as a small but significant minority of the small number who email me appear to be unhinged, and when I, very deliberately, don't respond, they give up. It's not a good idea to divulge your email address in any other way here, especially when you're in a content dispute. ¶ This page is not the right place for discussing content disputes, but anyway I took a quick look at Talk:The Wonder Weeks and sampled from the wall of text that I encountered there. The arguments appeared to be over content; I didn't notice any name-calling or other childishness. If you added a lot of substantive points, arguing for each, but got what has seemed to you to be an uncomprehending, unthinking or otherwise seriously defective response, I suggest that you repeat yourself, but to do so only one point at a time, acknowledging that you have made the same point earlier and briefly explaining why you're saying it a second time. Perhaps (i) Proposal; (ii) Position in the discussion above where you made the proposal before; (iv) Reasoning for the proposal; (v) Arguments against any arguments already posted against. When this first (re)proposal has been digested, and not before, set off on the second one. Et cetera. ¶ I note that you say that the article in its current state "verges on the scurrilous", and that the author of the book that's the subject of the article is described as still alive. You may wish to bring up the matter on WP:BLPN. Whether you take the matter there or to a different noticeboard, please don't take it to more than one, and please say here where you have taken it. -- Hoary (talk) 05:03, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
Second efn won't work
Guys, I feel stupid because I used {{efn}} twice in an article and the second one gives a bogus error. It doesn't do that in any other example article I see and recall editing. Please double check here! Thanks! — Smuckola(talk) 04:50, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
- @Smuckola: The second one has = in it, which requires special handling. See the note at the top of {{efn}} RudolfRed (talk) 05:00, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
- @RudolfRed: Awesome. I googled this, and I was reading a Talk page comment about the cite errors, which talked about equals signs, but I didn't realize this. ;) Thanks. — Smuckola(talk) 05:02, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
Submit Article means it is about to be published, what about the article that still work in progress?
Submit Article means it is about to be published, what about the article that still work in progress?
Can I receive feedback while still working on it, even better, Wikipedia is an open source so anyone can contribute right? So, How do I "submit for feedback" not "submit for publishing" as I know it is not ready since it is work in progress, and not having article deletion all the time. Unsteadyflyingfish (talk) 05:19, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
- Clicking on "Submit article" means calling for a reviewer to decided whether it should be published. I'm not sure what you mean by saying that "Wikipedia is an open source", but yes, any editor (or more strictly any editor who isn't blocked, etc) can contribute to a draft. There's nothing in particular that you need to do in order to get feedback. Here's my feedback. First, Draft:Vasanta Group (Real Estate) is pretty close to Draft:Vasanta Group (already deleted twice in November '23 as clearly promotional). The newer draft:
- Vasanta Group, a prominent Indonesian real estate and lifestyle development company headquartered in Tangerang, Banten, has made significant contributions to the nation's real estate landscape. Established in 2015 by a group of visionary founders, namely Tri Ramadi, Agnus Suryadi, Erick Wihardja, Nicholas Hum, and Denny Asalim, the company's growth has been characterized by innovation, a commitment to quality, and ethical business practices.
- The older one:
- Vasanta Group is an Indonesian real estate and lifestyle development company headquartered in Tangerang, Banten. Founded in 2015, The company has been active in Indonesia's real estate sector. Its founders, including Tri Ramadi, Agnus Suryadi, Erick Wihardja, Nicholas Hum, and Denny Asalim, have diverse backgrounds and experience s in the real estate industry.
- You have succeeded in turning down the promotionalism, however. Still, your new draft is closer still to Draft:Vasanta Group (Real Estate) as created by you and deleted in January '24:
- Vasanta Group is an Indonesian real estate and lifestyle development company headquartered in Tangerang, Banten. Founded in 2015, the company has played a significant role in Indonesia's real estate sector. Its founders, including Tri Ramadi, Agnus Suryadi, Erick Wihardja, Nicholas Hum, and Denny Asalim, have diverse backgrounds and extensive experience in the real estate industry.
- And a question: Are you perhaps an employee of the Vasanta Group? -- Hoary (talk) 06:41, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
Archiving references
Most references here are archived on archive.org, but is it okay to use archive.is? Kk.urban (talk) 06:31, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
- Hi @Kk.urban, you will probably find the info at WP:ARCHIVEIS helpful. It contains some comparisons between Archive.today (the main site accessible through archive.is) and other arching sites including Wayback. Unexpectedlydian♯4talk‽ 07:46, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
Naming a tweet
How should I name a twitter post? Abigbagel (talk) 06:40, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
- Please see Template:Cite tweet/doc. -- Hoary (talk) 07:25, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
Citing a YouTube video
I'm looking to contribute to a page on Lorentz force with a bit on popular culture (a game called Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance), but since I can't directly cite the game, I'm trying to cite one of the trailers for the game. However, when I was trying this out on my sandbox page, I got a message telling me the YouTube citation was blacklisted. How should I proceed? Should I look for some other source to cite?
Thanks. ThatThing1911 (talk) 09:54, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
- @ThatThing1911 Hello and welcome to Wikipedia! Assuming you mean Lorentz force. In short, do not add pop-cult stuff just because it exists. What you need is a an independent WP:RS that noticed the game had Lorentz force in it and bothered to comment on it. And even if you do have that, someone might think including it fails WP:PROPORTION. I remember adding this [6], but it was removed at some point, and that's not unreasonable.
- See Metatron#In_popular_culture or Tardigrade#In_popular_culture for an example of the kind of sources that may be acceptable. Hope this helps. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:32, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
- @ThatThing1911: It's because YouTube short links with "
youtu.be
" are blacklisted. Useyoutube.com
links instead. Also check WP:RSPYOUTUBE. ObserveOwl (chit-chat • my doings) 13:14, 12 March 2024 (UTC)- And Gråbergs Gråa Sång is right, too. "In popular culture" content should be usually cited to reliable sources independent of the game "that establish its significance to the article's subject". ObserveOwl (chit-chat • my doings) 13:21, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
Abortions
WTH is Trump dictating ban to abortions when abortion is needed to save women's life? This is a decision made by a women and then her doctor! My first pregnancy was a result of forced sex, aka rape. It was in London, England and if the abortion was not performed it would have resulted in my death and thus death of unborn child. Tell Republicans that decision to abort has to be made between a women and her doctor! Tell them to STOP! Gzubicka (talk) 11:40, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
- Do you have a question about using Wikipedia, Gzubicka? (That's what this page is for.) -- Hoary (talk) 12:03, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
- I remember a similar post... Last week maybe? It's not from the same user looking in their contribs. CommissarDoggoTalk? 12:09, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
- OP blocked as NOTHERE, after looking at their edits. 331dot (talk) 12:42, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
- I remember a similar post... Last week maybe? It's not from the same user looking in their contribs. CommissarDoggoTalk? 12:09, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
How to upload this picture
Hi there i wanted to ask how could i upload this Picture Ali Jinnah Inspecting Guard Honour Baloch regiment, which i wanted to use in the article. How can i upload this on Wikicommons without any copyright? Rahim231 (talk) 12:39, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
- Hello and welcome. That likely depends on copyright law regarding images in Pakistan, depending on when an image enters the public domain. 331dot (talk) 12:41, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
- See c:Com:Pakistan. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:28, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
Changes to articles
what are the stipulations required for changes to be accepted? 2603:6080:ADF0:95A0:4A1:CDAE:63DA:7039 (talk) 12:49, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
- Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. We can give you a better answer if you tell what sort of change you wish to make. 331dot (talk) 12:51, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
Article review for over 2 Month ...
hello, i have an article that has not been checked or released for two months. what can i do? (User: Don-miguel-de) Draft:CIVIS Media Foundation Don-miguel-de (talk) 12:55, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
- It was declined today. Drafts are reviewed in no particular order by volunteers, working on what they want when they choose to. There is no way to guarantee a speedy review. 331dot (talk) 13:11, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
Editing a text further before the second review? (and bullet lists in the reference list)
Hi to everyone,
I created my first Wikipedia page a few months ago. The first review rejected it because I did not add enough sources and the text was not encyclopaedic enough. About ten days ago I made improvements and pressed the "publish" button again. As far as I understand, the text should now be sent for review again. As I now realised, an editor made substantial edits to the text in these past days. They shortened it, removed several contents, and included many new references. While those edits improved the text, they made me see I could add other edits to improve it even further with more sources and specific contents.
My questions is: should/can I go ahead and add my edits on top of those made by the Wikipedia editor, or should I hold off my edits until the article goes through review?
I also would like to know how I can include a bullet list in the list of references.
Thanks so much for your help!
Best wishes, Simonescoffier (talk) 13:51, 12 March 2024 (UTC)