Talk:Michael Jackson

A Place With No Name

I want to question the reliability of this information. Is the mentioning of a 25 second leaked snippet really enough to warrant a full section on posthumous music releases? this is the kind of information that could be trimmed from the article. There is little independent or official verification that this is actually a michael jackson recording and not a demo or singer sounding very much like MJ (Lil-unique1 (talk) 22:30, 16 August 2009 (UTC))

As a matter of fact several sources, including Jackson's former band manager have verified that the song is Michael Jackson and it is indeed a fully recorded song. If you are questioning the section, please read the two debates at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/A Place With No Name and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/A Place With No Name (2nd nomination). The wikipedia community has mainly agreed that the content is necessary which is why it was merged here from its previous article. But, to repeat myself, there is significant verification that the song is full and that it is Michael Jackson, no question. --JDelo93 (talk) 15:43, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

my issue is more with the fact that the way it is written appears to promote a leaked song which could be breaching copyright and other Laws both in the US and internationally. a whole paragraph just on a 25 second snippet seems excessive. im still questionning the relevance of calling it the first "posthumous release". including such information like "fans claim it was recorded... etc." is no encyclopedic. (Lil-unique1 (talk) 15:52, 20 August 2009 (UTC))

That can be easily removed. And it already has been. That {{pov}} tag was more than a little ridiculous. If it's a simple problem next time, fix it yourself instead of starting unnecessary discussion. Now let's talk about the {{relevance}} tag. I don't know what could possibly make you think that's irrelevant information. This song is the first song released during Michael Jackson's posthumous career. Need I explain more? Discussing a linked song is fine, as long as we don't tell people where to download the music.

I'll keep the {{relevance}} tag until we get more opinion, but I'm removing that {{pov}} tag. That's just ridiculous and lazy. I'm sorry, but it really is. Just remove minor issues. POKERdance ^talk/contribs 23:00, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

I'm for removing the section. It only contains information of a leaked snippet and has no official release, so calling it so is amazingly misleading. If we omit unofficially released albums and songs from discography articles (MOS:DISCOG), I don't see why this unofficially released snippet should be any different. — Σxplicit 00:36, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

I'm generally not for including unofficially released material in articles, but it seems to have received a fair amount of coverage, and it is the first song of Jackson's posthumous career. POKERdance ^talk/contribs 01:40, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

I wouldn't call it the first song of his posthumous career—it's more along the lines the first song snippet that was leaked after his death. I don't agree that it's fair to say this snippet is part of his career if it hasn't been officially released and was illegally leaked. Songs will be officially released in the future and those can be included; this one shouldn't be unless it becomes more notable than just being another leaked song. — Σxplicit 01:51, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

I agree that this information should be deleted. It doesn't seem relevant. Everything to do with MJ gets lots of coverage these days, doesn't mean it has to be on Wiki.FrauBluecher (talk) 02:16, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Michael jackson 750 million sales as a solo artist no mention of the jackson 5

http://translate.google.com/translate?prev=hp&hl=en&js=y&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.n24.de%2Fnews%2Fnewsitem_3734500.html&sl=de&tl=en&history_state0= —Preceding unsigned comment added by Clifffrichard (talk • contribs) 16:38, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

http://www.usatoday.com/life/people/2009-06-26-jackson-faces_N.htm

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29531056/

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/World/US/Jackson-family-wants-second-autopsy-Coroner/articleshow/4711175.cms —Preceding unsigned comment added by Clifffrichard (talk • contribs) 13:31, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/8121749.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/8170429.stm

http://www.theage.com.au/lifestyle/people/michael-jackson-fans-arrive-from-all-over-the-world-for-memorial-service-20090707-db30.html

http://www.theage.com.au/news/entertainment/music/2009/05/21/1242498844872.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by Clifffrichard (talk • contribs) 13:37, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

http://press.sonymusic.com/2009/06/26/sony-comments-on-the-passing-of-michael-jackson/

http://www.michaeljackson.com/ie/news/michael-jacksons-it-be-presented-theaters-around-world,

http://edition.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/Music/03/05/uk.jackson.comeback/index.html,

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/music/music-news/4977319/Michael-Jackson-fans-face-huge-price-rises-for-London-concert-tickets.html

http://www.people.com/people/package/article/0,,20287787_20287946,00.html,http://www.forbes.com/2009/06/26/michael-jackson-beatles-business-media-estate.html

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/wire/wpix-michael-jackson-heart-attack,0,6959872.story

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Showbiz-News/Michael-Jackson-Memorial-Service---In-Numbers/Article/200907115331455

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/26/arts/music/26jackson.html?_r=2

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/06/26/2609049.htm

And here is a video which say he sold 750 million as a solo artist still no mention of the jackson 5 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcQAhIKoL64

Michael Jackson did not sold 750 million records, but about 375/400 million records

The figure of 750 million is highly inflated and statistically unrealistic. There's no consensus about the 750 million.

• CNN and Daily Telegraph reliable sources state 350m CNN (Though 'story highlights' says 700m)  · Telegraph ("more than 300m")  · German TV news channel N24 (Germany) reports 400 million [5]
• Estimates based on adding up various database sources (see above) show that the figure of 750m is unrealistic
• History of record company exaggeration of sales figures
• Other figures (Beatles etc.) may need reassessment also
• Unrealistic recent leap in reported figure from 350m to 700m
• Sony is a primary source
• WSJ article claims 750m figure originated from publicist
• Archive records from reputable sources indicate far fewer sales; BBC reports 165m as of 2003 BBC 2003 - The Age (Australian) reports 350m as of 2006 TheAge
• Wikipedia records indicate the 750 million figure first crept into the Michael Jackson page on the third of November 2006 Wiki750m, the sources given by the contributor were a Belgian fansite MJMTC, this site was publishing a statement by Michael Jackson's publicist Raymone Bain, she had claimed 750 million sales figures, which the Times of India attributes as her statement Times of India as well as the aforementioned WSJ article. Prior to this, worldwide sales listed for Michael Jackson in the Wikipedia pages have ranged from 150 million to 350 million records, gradually increasing as the pages were updated, all of them almost invariably listing Michael Jackson fansites as the source.
• In light of all evidence and claims, and given the conflicting reports by reputable news sources, with each other as well as in some cases themselves, the opponents of the 'edit reversion' request that more research be done into news archives prior to 2006 to either validate or invalidate the 750 million claim before a final justification be made as there appears to be sufficient evidence to indicate the 750 million claim came during the World Music Awards, and as being a publicist's statement, was picked up by major news sources, in which case would put the primary source as Raymone Bain and secondary sources as the reputable news outlets

The Wall Street Journal states:

"Michael Jackson had sold 205.5 million albums before his death, plus many millions more in singles and downloads. It is an impressive total, and second only to the Beatles, but far fewer than 750 million."

Based on this Elvis sold under 345 million unit /or under 205 million?/ Michael Jackson sold somewhere between 205-345/maybe 386/ million and The Beatles sold over 385 possibly 400-500 million+ /as they do not state numbers/.

His sales figure is about 375-400 million records worldwide. About five times his sales in the US. And that's very rational. We're discussing this matter also at the best-selling artists list.Christo jones (talk) 10:48, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Against the 750+ million figure:

• Harout72 (talk · contribs)
• JFonseka (talk · contribs)
• PaulStar (talk · contribs)
• Christo jones (talk · contribs)
• 124.179.173.61 (talk · contribs)
• Kiac (talk · contribs)
• 75.142.54.211 (talk · contribs)
• —Kww(talk) 14:13, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
• Floydian Tree (talk) 14:49, 21 August 2009 (UTC) MJ sold about 375 million records

This is becoming one of the Tweedledum and Tweedledee debates for which Wikipedia is famous. Here's my attempt to get out of the quagmire: All of the figures are estimates, and although the 750 million figure has been widely quoted in the media, its accuracy has been questioned, most notably in the Wall Street Journal article here. Rather than edit war like kids over which estimate is the "best" one, it might be better to follow User:Rodhullandemu's suggestion that the wording should say something like "estimated sales between 300 and 750 million records", using the WSJ article as a citation. It is unworkable to have constant edit wars over this, so how about agreeing on a form of words similar to this?--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 11:10, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

I'll vote for that. Mktyscn (talk) 11:17, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

That's a very good alternative.Christo jones (talk) 11:24, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Great, we seem to be getting somewhere. The only other point to make is that describing Michael Jackson as the best selling male pop artist of all time is also controversial, since the estimates about the sales of Elvis Presley's records have similar problems.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 11:33, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

I'm also voting for this edit!!Floydian Tree (talk) 11:36, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

There is a possible debate then over who is the "best selling solo male pop vocalist" of all time. I keep changing Jackson to #2 as it is what is stated on Wikipeida here: List of best selling music artists. Perhaps that page needs some revisions? sherpajohn (talk) 13:01, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

List of best-selling music artists has run into the same problem that we had here, which is the use of estimated sales that can be challenged for various reasons. The article is not a reliable source, and it is best not to set off more edit wars by asking "Who sold more records, Elvis or MJ?" when the answer would contain a large amount of speculation and original research.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 15:58, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

So, what would be an accurate source for this kind of information, then? There is no question that his numbers have elevated since his death. We certainly can't rely on his label, and I can't think of any other free source to be honest. I believe that the album titles in question are already in the Platinum range, so I wonder how we go about looking for sources to make his pages factual and up to date? Does anyone have any ideas?Stryteler (talk) 23:52, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Panther Dance

I really think the Panther Dance should be lised amongst Micheal Jackson's great artistic achievements. It is after all the only dance I know of with no music, other than the sounds of his moves and his expressions of the panther, reflecting the current state of the world, its violence, its racism, and it is a wonderful interpretation unlike anything ever seen before. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.241.180.217 (talk) 11:27, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

If michael jacksons sales are going to be changed so should elvis and the beatles beacuse they did not sell 1 billion

http://musicindustrynewswire.com/2009/04/29/min1592_195858.php

http://www.elvis.com.au/presley/one_billion_record_sales.shtml —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jamesyull (talk • contribs) 16:46, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Discuss it on the talk pages for those articles. This talk page is for discussing the Jackson article. Mktyscn (talk) 17:43, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

We could spend hours clogging up the talk pages with arguments over who sold the most records. These figures are always estimates and need to be taken with a large pinch of salt.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 18:44, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

85.240.175.245 (talk) 19:31, 23 August 2009 (UTC)In 1996, the World Music Awards gave Jackson the "Best selling American Artist Ever" award. In 2000, Jackson received, from the WMA, the "Best Selling Pop Male Artist Of The Millennium" for having sold 750 millions of albuns. To say that the 750 millions of albums sold were an invention of a Jackson publicist, during the year of 2006, is, at least, stupid. MJ did sell over 750 millions of albuns, according to WMA and many other sources. I understand that people may dislike Jackson and, therefore, want to "hide" his achievements but Wikipedia may lose its credibility.

http://blogs.wsj.com/numbersguy/how-many-albums-did-michael-jackson-sell-755/tab/comments/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jamesyull (talk • contribs) 13:58, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

It looks like this is replacing "Did Michael Jackson convert to Islam?" as the biggest source of circular debate. The article has already been fully protected over this issue, and there is now a WP:CONSENSUS not to cherry pick sources giving estimated record sales. The real risk to Wikipedia's credibility comes from citing sources in a misleading way.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 19:40, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

85.240.175.245 (talk) 20:12, 23 August 2009 (UTC)Then, why don't you do the same to the Beatles or Presley? Why do you guys state, in the best selling artists of all time, that those two guys sold over 1 billion of albums? Don't you think that is stupid? Does your rule just apply to Michael Jackson? Why is that?

The sales figures quoted in the media are usually worth about as much as a wooden nickel. You could spend all day citing different sources, and it has nothing to do with being pro or anti Michael Jackson. Just look at the time that has been spent on this on the talk page in the last few days to see how futile it is to be drawn into arguments here.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 20:21, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

The beatles talk page for their sales http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:The_Beatles

Elvis Presley talk page for his sales http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Elvis_Presley —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jamesyull (talk • contribs) 15:46, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

And also go here to debate about these artist sales http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_best-selling_music_artists

Michael jackson Artist Of The Millenium Award

They Say he has sold more records around the world than any single artists

watch the whole video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNvVJerEHLU

http://www.worldmusicawards.com/mj.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jamesyull (talk • contribs) 23:42, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

See above sections, it has all been said ad nauseam. There is a different figure wherever you look.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 05:40, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Who sold the most records?

• Thought for the day:

“ The most savage controversies are those about matters as to which there is no good evidence either way. ”

- Bertrand Russell (1872-1970). Let's not fill up the talk page on this issue today. Please.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 06:57, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Lover Jason Pfeiffer ?

• The Sun:Jacko 'gay lover': I lost a soulmate
• Bild: Klinik-Mitarbeiter behauptet: Ich war Jackos letzter Lover!
• Queer:Krankenpfleger: Ich hatte Sex mit Michael Jackson (german)
• Express:Jason Pfeiffer will Jackos Liebhaber gewesen sein (german)
• Webnews:Jason Pfeiffer

Jason Pfeiffer last lover of Michael Jackson ? GLGermann (talk) 12:36, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

This is notable and trustworthy how? Not only is this unlikely, but the photo looks faked. For instance, why is it so grainy? Does the Sun website scan their own pages to post them? lol. Too funny that some morons will take this seriously. Ccrashh (talk) 12:57, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

you can find this discussion over the sexual orientation of Michael Jackson in many english and german websites, online magazines and online newswpapers. GLGermann (talk) 13:06, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Your links were for articles about one guy's supposed claim that he was Jackson's lover. Whether or not Jackson was gay is open to debate and the only available commentary on it is hearsay. Unless we have an undisputed source, it is simply pure speculation and has no business being on Wikipedia. Ccrashh (talk) 13:10, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

We've had pretty much everything here since Michael Jackson died, and even The Sun uses the word "claim" to describe this story. Apart from the clear WP:BLP issues, the image looks as though Jackson's head could have been photoshopped in afterwards. Unsuitable for the article without a evidence a lot stronger than this.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 13:44, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

I disagree with you. The story about Jason Peiffer and Michael Jackson in The Sun and many different newspapers, also here in german magazine, should be part of the biographie. Also the author Ian Halperin said, that Michael Jackson had sexual affairs with gay men in his last years. So the discussion over the sexual orientation should be part of the article.

• Focus:Heimliche Romanze Liebte Jackson einen Arzthelfer? (german)
• (austria)
• Mirror:Michael Jackson’s ‘gay lover’ speaks out
• Telegraph:Clinic worker claims to have had homosexual love affair with Michael Jackson
• OneIndia:Jason Pfeiffer had gay love affair with MJ

So there are many articles in different countries, which report over the gay love affair. GLGermann (talk) 07:39, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Clear case of WP:REDFLAG. Currently the only reliable source would be the Telegraph. The Bookkeeper (of the Occult) 07:51, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

The article has faced this situation many times before, most notably over the "conversion to Islam" saga. What happens is that the stories go round the newspapers prefixed by the word "claim". This is a newspaper's way of saying: "We don't know if this is complete bollocks, but we are going to print it anyway." This type of situation is not a reliable source.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 08:04, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Homicide

A "law enforcement official" has told the AP that Jackson's death has been ruled a homicide. However, the findings have not yet been publicly released. Should it go in now or should we wait?--Pawnkingthree (talk) 21:02, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

The affidavit was released via the media, and there was mention of cell phone records also. My question is: why in the world wait for 82 minutes to call 911? If you work and are staying somewhere, you should know the address where you are...especially if you are a personal physician performing private duty. This same doctor refused to sign the death certificate at the hospital. Interesting...Stryteler (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 20:44, 25 August 2009 (UTC).

What we can do is report that the story has been carried by a number of major news outlets. We would need to figure out where it came from though, as the fact we can report on isn't the claimed ruling, but just the claim itself - rather the news report/repetition thereoft. -Stevertigo 21:08, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

And we should not go further than this, particularly to label it as "murder", because "homicide" includes lesser offences, such as manslaughter. Therefore, I will revert recent edits to that effect, and if necessary, protect the article (again!) Rodhullandemu 21:27, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

We cite the best source noting it as a homicide and move on until more information is made available. However, we do not avoid noting it, as it from a reliable source. - Arcayne (^{cast a spell}) 21:36, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

A "claim" from an unattributed source is still rumour, and has no place here. WP:BLP still applies to those who may be subject to charges, and should be scrupulously sourced. In passing, I saw on a forum a claim that Michael Jackson was Welsh. Let's have that in, too, shall we? Rodhullandemu 21:48, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

I've put it back in, quoting two news outlets, which both use the (presumably same) anonymous source. Superm401 - Talk 21:52, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Its not currently accurate. Stick to the facts we know:

1. The Associated Press reported on a tip:
   1. wherein an anonymous law enforcement official
   2. is claimed to have given the AP details
   3. about the LA coroner's report on MJ's former body
   4. ..in which MJ's death is ruled as a homicide
      1. Due to an overdose of a strong anesthetic
2. Lots of other news outlets picked it up

Note that things get fishier and more speculative as we get into "details." We can stick to the first column (no indents), and maybe a bit of column 2 (first indent), but all the rest is hearsay, and uncyclopedia-ic. -Stevertigo 22:51, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Agreed. This happens time and time again, and is tiring to the point of exhaustion; it's too much trouble to police, if you like. Wikinews is meant for this sort of thing, and here, we should stick with facts, and only facts. Rodhullandemu 23:02, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Well, the report is certainly a fact. And that the report contains a tip is a claim made by a reputable news source, so we can attribute that, and give a bit about what the tip was about. The news media themselves have apparently backed off a bit from the hyperbole. -Stevertigo 05:11, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

This is more of the same, because it quotes an off the record source. Wikipedia's hands are tied here by WP:BLP and WP:RS. Unless anyone is charged in connection with Jackson's death, the article cannot recycle what off the record sources said.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 06:46, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

{{editprotect}} Please make correction to reference #179

Please edit the first use of reference #179 (located in Section 3.3 Michael_Jackson#Vocal_style). Kindly change it from

<ref name = "Nelson George overview 24"/>

to

<ref name= "Nelson George overview 24">George, p.24</ref>

This should to correct the cite error in all subsequent uses of reference #179.

Thank you74.178.202.219 (talk) 07:31, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

 Done--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 07:50, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

"King of Pop" should be in boldface

I'm not sure what the "This is not a legal alias nor an official stage name - do not place in bold font" note is all about, but WP:MOSBOLD indicates that "proper names and common terms for the article topic" should be in boldface. "King of Pop" is both a proper name and a common term; whether or not it is also a "legal" name or an "official" term is immaterial. Cosmic Latte (talk) 14:10, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

P.S. On further thought, I wonder if somebody misunderstood the meaning of "proper name". This is a grammatical term, not a legal one, and it applies perfectly well to an epithet like "King of Pop" when the epithet pertains to a specific individual, such as Jackson. Cosmic Latte (talk) 14:21, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

I don't agree. The title of the article is Michael Jackson, not "King of Pop". Just because some people describe Jackson as the king of pop does not mean that his name is "King of Pop". The article on Aretha Franklin does not have "Queen of Soul" in bold, nor does the article on James Brown have "Godfather of Soul" in bold. "King of Pop" is also not the title of the article, and if you put "King of Pop" into the search box, it will refer you to the article on honorific titles in popular music. Mktyscn (talk) 14:38, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for commenting, but I think you might have missed the point. The point is that, according to current Wikipedia guidelines, "King of Pop" should be in boldface. The question of whether or not the guidelines themselves are flawed is an entirely separate issue (and is fair game for an entirely separate forum), but the question of whether these guidines prescribe boldface in this instance would appear to be answered with a definitive, "Yes." Cosmic Latte (talk) 14:52, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

The WP guideline says that article titles should be in bold typeface. I'm not disagreeing with the guideline; I'm disagreeing with your conclusion that the phrase "King of Pop" falls under the guideline. I don't know if others agree with me, but the fact that there is a comment in the article to not put it in bold typeface suggests that it's been discussed before and consensus went against it. Mktyscn (talk) 15:55, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

This article refers to Michael Jackson, whom some refer to as The King of Pop. What people call/called him is up to them, as it stands, and as an encyclopedia, his name was not the King of Pop nor was he, arguably, indeed the King of Pop. Therefore it should not be in bold. Thanks RaseaC (talk) 16:00, 26 August 2009 (UTC).

• I was the one who added the note. "King of Pop" is not his alias, stage name nor is it within current wikipedia guidelines. I wholeheartedly disagree King of Pop would be considered a proper name under guidelines established by Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_(biographies)#Names. WP:BOLDTITLE states: "As a general rule, the first (and only the first) appearance of the article's subject should be as early as possible in the first sentence and should be in boldface." The article's subject is Michael Jackson, not the "King of Pop". The Bookkeeper (of the Occult) 00:19, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

As a reference: Elizabeth II of the United Kingdom is "Queen of England", but we don't have that in bold print in her article, nor do we have "President of the United States" in bold print in Barack Obama's article. The Bookkeeper (of the Occult) 00:32, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Is WSJ Article the best for us to use

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124760651612341407.html

It also states

It is an impressive total, and second only to the Beatles, but far fewer than 750 million

This means he has out sold elvis

Mr. Jackson's record label, Sony Music, declined to share sales numbers. Ms. Bain didn't respond to requests for comment; she sued Mr. Jackson in May after their business relationship ended. In her lawsuit, she claimed Mr. Jackson sold "over 1 billion records world-wide

It also speaks about other artists sales

Inflated numbers aren't unique to Mr. Jackson. The Beatles' supposed one-billion-plus sales record also reflects an estimate of the number of songs, not albums, according to trackers of such landmarks. Other performers, such as AC/DC, Julio Iglesias and ABBA, supposedly are members of the 200 million album club, but compiled sales figures put their respective totals closer to 100 million.

Units could be interpreted to mean a rough tally of the number of songs sold, not albums. But many journalists and fans interpreted the figure as albums sold, and a wildly inflated number was born. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Clifffrichard (talk • contribs) 17:22, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

revise 350 to 750 million records to 750 millionrecords or more

the wall street journal article and other articles on michael jackson record sales are inaccurate .same as elvis or the beatles just say estimated at 750 million records ( with proof ) the wall street journal is not a record sales company and many people have reputed sales —Preceding unsigned comment added by Overcome35 (talk • contribs) 18:46, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Michael Jackson Documentary - The Untold Story Of Neverland

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=er-5bxI1lG0&feature=PlayList&p=B7C12DD41F57F25F&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=62