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Translation for Attil, West Bank

Marhaba everyone! I just want to ask if anyone can translate the article on Attil from Arabic wikipedia to English? I posted it on the translations log but the page is virtually dead, Heres the link, Wikipedia:Translation/Attil. Shoukran! --Al Ameer son (talk) 07:40, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Help please

Hi everyone. I also posted this message at the WikiProject Ethnic groups:

We are having a discussion over Talk:Arab citizens of Israel about how to compose the ethnicity infobox for that page. It's a rather complex discussion, given that most, but not all of the group in question identify ethnically or nationally as "Palestinian", "Arab" or "Palestinian Arab". There are some arguing that "Arab citizens of Israel" or "Israeli Arabs" (as they are sometimes called, though most reject that label) are an ethnic group in their own right and seem to think there is no need to mention their relation to, or their forming a part of the Palestinian and/or Arab peoples. Rest assured these are the same people. They are separated from the others as a result of Israel's creation.

In any case, we could really use some expert attention. Someone well-versed on the differences and sometimes overlaps between citizenship, national identity, ethnic identity, cultural identity etc. Also, someone with some insight into how to represent indigenous populations, since Palestinian Arabs in Israel perceive themselves as an indigenous group. Ideally, we would like to represent the complexity of the issue in the infobox without compromising reader comprehension. So far, we haven't been able to find a solution. Your input is appreciated. Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Ethnic_groups" Tiamut 22:45, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

• Is the problem what infobox to use? They are certainly a sub-set of the wider Arab ethnic group, so the ethnic group infobox might be used. Look at Armenian-Americans for example. Funkynusayri (talk) 23:53, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Dubai

I thought I should notify members of the WikiProject Arab world that a WikiProject Dubai is currently being proposed at the WikiProject Council. If anyone is interested, please feel free to add your name. Click here to go directly to the proposal. Thanks. Leitmanp (talk | contributions) 00:14, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Double checking Arabic meaning of a star name

Hi all, on the page Capella, if you scan down to Alternative and former names you'll note a name of Capella in Arabicas al-'Ayyuq العيوق

Can someone please verify what it means and give me a diciotnary ref? much appreaciated. cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 23:17, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Invasion of Arab Articles...

not really... but several created articles that Include Al Ahwaz were either speedly deleted or Vandalised, or made as a redirect and then protected...

i think we need to give the Ahwaz region more attention... i created a three articles about Al Ahwaz...

• Flag of Al-Ahwaz
• The National Liberation Movement of Ahwaz
• Ahwazi Democratic Popular Front

but other articles such as Al Ahwaz, History of Al Ahwaz, and Ahwazi Exiled Government and the Parliment needed... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Arab League (talk • contribs) 14:38, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Help needed

The article on Kuwait needs a lot of work. I have tried improving the article but any further help from this Wikiproject members would be greatly appreciated. --RajatKansal (talk) 18:54, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Arabic names

There has been little to no discussion, apparently, on the fate of Wikipedia:WikiProject Arabic names. I proposed on 27 January 2008 that this WikiProject be merged into Wikipedia:WikiProject Anthroponymy as a task force. Previously on 9 October 2007 the proposal had been floated to merge this WikiProject into Wikipedia:WikiProject Arab world.

I am preparing some notes on doing the transition to a task force of the Anthroponymy WikiProject and wanted to put forward another call for input.

One key question is whether members of this WikiProject prefer to have the Arab name articles included in their Assessment Talley or not. If inclusion in the Talley is desired, both {{WPARAB}} and {{WikiProject Anthroponymy}} need to be added to each article.

Thanks for considering this and providing your input.

--User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 17:19, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

I have no objections or comments. --Striver - talk 21:03, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

• Same as above. Funkynusayri (talk) 02:09, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

The merger took place on 2008-04-03. --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 02:10, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Need help at Al-Hariri of Basra

Can some Wikipedians add to the new article Al-Hariri of Basra? Are there public domain images from old editions? Badagnani (talk) 03:00, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

I've slightly expanded it and did some wikification. I also uploaded an image from one his books al-Maqamat. --Al Ameer son (talk) 20:23, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Syria in a poor state

Does anyone here have any slight expertise on Syria or any helpful online resources? Its very urgent, the article on Syria lacks dozens of inline citations, needs work on prose and above all, a section on the country's economy. I think Syria would be a good way for project members to collaborate as well. --Al Ameer son (talk) 02:36, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

• Well, country studies could probably be used as source. Funkynusayri (talk) 15:21, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

I'm going to check out some books on Syria from the library on Monday, but I fear they might be outdated. What do you mean country studies? Would those be online sources? --Al Ameer son (talk) 15:09, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

• Yep, check this:[1] Funkynusayri (talk) 19:03, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Wow (by the way sorry for my late reply) do you know how recent the info is? All the books in my high school library are from the early and late 1990s. --Al Ameer son (talk) 02:53, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

• Heh, well, I checked it afterwards, and it seems like the info on Country Studies doesn't get more recent than 1987, so it may only be good for history sections. But stuff like religious demography and similar could be used too, because I don't think a census has been done in quite some decades. Funkynusayri (talk) 12:00, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Excellent, we should begin the editing soon, just am busy with some DYK noms right now. Again, shukran! --Al Ameer son (talk) 20:30, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

List of companies of the United Arab Emirates

I have reformatted the list in order to improve it due to this Articles for deletion nomination. In compiling the list, I have firstly used the lists of companies which are listed on the Abu Dhabi Securities Market and the Dubai Financial Market, and have also added more well known privately owned companies which aren't listed on either stock exchange (Emirates for example). I have also attempted to add the Arabic names of these companies, however, due to not speaking Arabic, and not being able to read Arabic script, I am unsure whether the Arabic names are correct. Perhaps another editor/s who are fluent in Arabic could check the Arabic name and confirm they are correct and correct where necessary. For those companies listed on the Abu Dhabi market, I have used the official listing of companies from the AUH market, and for those companies listed on the Dubai market, I have used their list. Other companies, I have used the corresponding article on the Arabic WP, or their articles (if they exist). If any editors of this project wouldn't mind checking the Arabic names that would be great. --Russavia (talk) 15:10, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Ka'ak

Help needed added information on a new article, Ka'ak, and its uses and permutations outside of Palestine. Tiamut^talk 15:43, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Two similar categories

Hi everyone. I was wondering if anyone could help me to understand the difference between Category:Arabic words and phrases and Category:Arabic loanwords. I'm working on adding Arabic terms to English words that come from Arabic (like Coffee, Jasmine, Sash, etc.,) and I'm not sure which category to use for these. Also consider more recent Arabic words to be used in English like Intifada or Sumud. Does anyone have an idea if there is a need for two separate categories here and if so, when I do use which one? Thanks. Tiamut^talk 19:48, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

translation request

Can you type out the Arabic text on the top of this image? I have a graphics editor who will fix these if I can get him the text. File:--1999sudangg save for top text.jpg I just need the top text on this, we already have the bottom. Thanks! Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 04:07, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

neighbor Wikipedia:WikiProject Berbers

We're up and running! Please visit and contribute at Wikipedia:WikiProject Berbers! Thanks! Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 05:39, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Need Arabic

Please check or add Arabic script at:

• Teslim
• Dawr
• Taqtuqa
• Tahmilah
• Dulab
• Longa (Middle Eastern music)
• Ma'luf
• Firqa
• Lazma

These are all terms from Arabic traditional music, and the spellings may differ from the everyday terms, as some of them may be derived from Persian or Turkish.

Badagnani (talk) 08:10, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

 Done -- Slacker (talk) 18:09, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Huge thanks; could you also, when you have a chance, add the pural at Dulab? Badagnani (talk) 18:20, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

 Done. -- Slacker (talk) 21:16, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Need more Arabic

• Zaffa

Badagnani (talk) 22:34, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

• Plural at Waslah. Badagnani (talk) 03:27, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

• Plural at Muwashshah (why are the Arabic and romanization for the plural different?). Badagnani (talk) 03:27, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

There are two alternative plural forms of that word in Arabic. I added both. -- Slacker (talk) 21:14, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Thank you, can you add the plural in Arabic for Waslah? Badagnani (talk) 22:59, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

More Arabic

Arabic for Zill (they're usually called "zills" in plural in English, but not sure how they're spelled in Arabic). Badagnani (talk) 03:00, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

You already have the Arabic word (sajat صاجات). Are you sure "zill" is used in Arabic? I've never heard it before. -- Slacker (talk) 04:18, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

It's used by Americans to refer to belly dance cymbals (which are usually called "finger cymbals" when used in orchestral music). Maybe the term came into English from Turkish. Perhaps you're right, that "zill" is never used in Arabic. However, a lot of terms go back and forth between Turkish and Arabic traditional music. Badagnani (talk) 04:21, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Question

Is Layali the plural of ليل? If so, we should add that information. Badagnani (talk) 04:23, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

It's the plural of ليل, but I don't think ليل is used in this context. -- Slacker (talk) 05:27, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Well, they sing "ليل" a lot in a layali. Badagnani (talk) 05:56, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Yes they say "ليل" while singing, but the songs themselves are called ليالي. Anyway, you have all the info and transliterations you need, if you wish to add them (unfortunately I'm not very well-versed in Middle Eastern music). -- Slacker (talk) 07:39, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

I see, there's no musical piece called a "leil," but in the etymology, "leil" is where "layali" comes from. Thanks again. Badagnani (talk) 07:40, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Anytime. -- Slacker (talk) 07:42, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Arabic needed

٭Fawaz Damra. Badagnani (talk) 02:35, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

٭Zaid Shakir. Badagnani (talk) 02:37, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

فواز دمرا (Fawwāz Damra)

زيد شاكر (Zaid Shākir)

-- Slacker (talk) 02:58, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

I have some articles to add to the list

• Nader al-Masri

نادر المصري

• Hebron glass

زجاج الخليل ?

• Elias Bandak

إلياس بندك

• Wadi Nisnas

وادي النسناس

• Mother-of-Pearl carving in Bethlehem

Don't know what this is.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Al Ameer son (talk • contribs)

Is it أم اللآلئ? It's where you carve using a shiny part of a seashell. Arabic inlay work (like you see on tables in Arabic coffee houses) uses it a lot. Badagnani (talk) 22:22, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

I think it might be. All I know is that its a traditional handicraft in Bethlehem. You should contact the creator of the article Huldra. Actually, I'll notify her about this conversation. --Al Ameer son (talk) 22:35, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

How do you even pronounce that word, 'Am All'ā'a'?

 Done except for last item. -- Slacker (talk) 21:27, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Thank you, I really appreciate it! --Al Ameer son (talk) 22:13, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Beirut GAN

Beirut has failed its GA review, but the article has at least met the "broadness" criteria. If anyone in this project could help with references, prose and MoS that would be great. These seem to be the factors which caused it to fail. Cheers! --Al Ameer son (talk) 21:47, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Inserting dates in leads

To avoid messing up the Arabic in the leads of articles when adding dates of birth and death, one easy solution is to insert the character U+200E just after the name; this invisible character has the strong left-to-right property that is needed to prevent the punctuation from being interpreted as right-to-left. Badagnani (talk) 03:47, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Need Arabic

Ali Osman (composer) (guess at Discussion page). Badagnani (talk) 04:04, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

علي عثمان. Slacker (talk) 22:19, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

• Habban

هبّان

• Jirba

قربة

Badagnani (talk) 21:38, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

• • Isn't the first letter a "q" (ق)? Are there any sources on the Internet in Arabic about this instrument? Badagnani (talk) 21:12, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Yes but 'q' is pronounced as either 'g' or 'j' in the Gulf region. I don't know much about Arabic music sources, unfortunately. -- Slacker (talk) 22:56, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Need romanization

<span=2 style="font-size: 20pt">شجرة القشطة Badagnani (talk) 04:37, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

šajarat il-qišṭa or shajarat il-qishṭa, depending on your preference. -- Slacker (talk) 21:12, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Need Arabic

• For salamiya or salameya, a type of wind instrument from Egypt. Needed at the Shawm article. Badagnani (talk) 19:03, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

• Need Arabic spelling for Guembri (a Berber instrument from Morocco). Badagnani (talk) 20:01, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

• Need Arabic for singular qrqaba at Krakebs. Badagnani (talk) 20:29, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

• Need Arabic for mirwas and jahlah, at Fijiri. Badagnani (talk) 08:27, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

• Need Arabic for Ibrahim Touqan. Al Ameer son (talk) 00:51, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

• Need Arabic for Fatta. Al Ameer son (talk) 00:51, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

• Need Arabic for Kawala. Badagnani (talk) 03:30, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

• Is it كولا? All the Google Images photos are of cola. Badagnani (talk) 03:42, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

• Need Arabic for jins and ajnas at Jins. Badagnani (talk) 21:25, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

• Need plural at Firqa. Badagnani (talk) 21:44, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

• Need Arabic for ughniyah at Arabic pop music. Badagnani (talk) 01:02, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

• Zeitoun. Badagnani (talk) 03:50, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

• Rod El Farag. Badagnani (talk) 03:50, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

• Rami Bin Said Al Taibi. Badagnani (talk) 09:00, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

• Al Taqaddum. Badagnani (talk) 19:32, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

We should maybe have a sub-section for this alone (requests for Arabic script) somewhere on the project page. FunkMonk (talk) 02:59, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Good idea. How will we implement it? --Al Ameer son (talk) 03:14, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Add it here[2], and start the page. We need a name for it first of course, what could that be? And I'm not sure about the layout either, or what should be written, but we could maybe agree on it here first. FunkMonk (talk) 03:17, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

For a title, what about Translation Requests or Articles needing Arabic scripts? I don't know about the context, but the layout should be consistent with the project page theme. --Al Ameer son (talk) 03:52, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

What about "Requests for Arabic script", which would be a combination of the two? A brief description of the purpose could be made on the top, and then the rest of the page could be open for new sections, take a look at this page for examle, which is the form I imagined: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Dinosaurs/Image_review FunkMonk (talk) 03:54, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

I like your title and that format looks perfect. Now all we need is to start the page. Should we move all of the unanswered articles there when it is started. I'll contact some users who have given me Arabic scripts before to inform them about the page when it is done. If you don't start it today, I'll start it tomorrow. Cheers! --Al Ameer son (talk) 04:36, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

You're very welcome to start it, I've never done anything like it, and as you can see on my userpage, text layout isn't my strong side, heh! FunkMonk (talk) 12:34, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

• Kababish. Badagnani (talk) 08:34, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

• Mahmoud Guinia (Arabic given at this photo). Badagnani (talk) 22:52, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Çiftetelli

Does the Çiftetelli exist in the Arab world? Badagnani (talk) 21:38, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Unfortunately, I can't figure out the dance from the picture, but I would assume that it's similar to Dabke and Chobi, if so then yes; can't say what the origin is though. There are also other line dances less similar in the Arab world such as Liwa (music) and other beduin dances. --Maha Odeh (talk) 06:48, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, I meant whether the dance exists in any Arabic nation under that name (or a similar name). So many of the Ottoman musical forms have Arabic versions, whose names are almost the same. I assume there's at least an Arabic-script way to write the word, as it's popular in surrounding countries. Badagnani (talk) 06:55, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Maybe something like شيفتتلي. How is the "ch" phoneme written in Arabic? Badagnani (talk) 06:59, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Taqsim

Is تقاسيم an alternate spelling for تقسيم? Scott Marcus, in his new book on music in Egypt, spells it, in romanized form, as tāqsīm. Badagnani (talk) 19:57, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

taqaaseem is the plural of taqseem. --Maha Odeh (talk) 05:59, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Marcus says that the plural form تقاسيم is typically used for the singular in Egypt. This is confusing to North Americans, who use the term "taqsim" as equivalent to the Turkish "taksim" (singular). Badagnani (talk) 06:03, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Umm Kulthum bint Abi Bakr

Why is the spelling "Abi" instead of "Abu" at Umm Kulthum bint Abi Bakr? Badagnani (talk) 18:28, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

because the end of the word changes depending on it's grammatical position in the sentence, in the case of Umm Kulthum bint Abi Bakr, the word Abu is muDhaaf, hence it must be majroor, hence it must be Abi. I'm sorry if I can't be any clearer, but it's a grammar thing. --Maha Odeh (talk) 06:04, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. It's confusing. At least it's correct, though. Badagnani (talk) 06:10, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Need etymology

Need etymology for Kawala. Which came first, the Arabic word kawala or the Balkan word kaval? Badagnani (talk) 18:33, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

شاقة

Does شاقة mean "water," as claimed at Sciacca? Badagnani (talk) 09:03, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

No, it' means difficult, I've put a note on the discussion page. --Maha Odeh (talk) 06:05, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Expert attention/outside eyes

If anyone has time, I think this article could use a few critical read-overs: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pederasty_in_the_Middle_East_and_Central_Asia#Central_Asia -PetraSchelm (talk) 02:04, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

List of missing Middle Eastern topics

Hello! I am not sure if anyone here is aware of this list, but I invite anyone that has an interest or knowledge in Middle Eastern topics to have a look at the list found here: Wikipedia:List of missing Middle Eastern topics and if possible, to create an article in relation to the topic. There appears to be only 40 or so articles left to be created so as I said if anyone has knowledge or time to research those particular topics, feel free :). Cheers!Calaka (talk) 03:38, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

• There should be an article about the Maronite/Druze conflict of the late 1800s in Lebanon, but I'm not sure what such an article should be called or where to find sources about it... Funkynusayri (talk) 03:49, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Could we add topics that we feel should have articles? Because the Ottoman-allied Arab revolt against Muhammad Ali's Egypt in the 1800s should be made. I got substantial info on what happened in Palestine (Acre, Galilee, Jerusalem and Nablus), but I got just 7 more busy days of school (13 total) before I embark on any new projects. --

This page

Will someone be answering the requests at this page? It's been several months with no assistance? Badagnani (talk) 01:32, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

• I for one can't do it, but once we make the actual page for requests, as proposed here[3], it might happen quicker... FunkMonk (talk) 02:38, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Oh, good. The one editor who had helped a lot apparently quit Wiki, probably due to his off-Wiki academic work. Badagnani (talk) 02:41, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

I started the page here. It needs some work, but the basics are there. I've been asking Zozo2kx for scripts recently; I'll ask if he wants to volunteer. I also contact Fjmustak, who's provided me scripts in the past. Also, the colors I used were white and green, if you want different colors just say so. --Al Ameer son (talk) 03:29, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Great, thanks. The key, now, will be a very clear, easily visible button or link on this page, that will be unmissable by people looking here to place such requests. Badagnani (talk) 03:30, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Good idea. I'll add it ASAP. --Al Ameer son (talk) 03:35, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

• Nice work, Al Ameer! FunkMonk (talk) 03:37, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! I added the link at the top of the page. Should we add a link for the requests page on the main project page. If so, where? BTW I just invited the two users I mentioned above to help out with the requests. If you know anyone else who could do the job, please invite them. --Al Ameer son (talk) 03:41, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

• You can add the link to the requests page in multiple places--just as long as it's easily findable by anyone who comes looking. Even on talk pages about the Arabic language or Arabic script in general. Badagnani (talk) 04:46, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

What about in this box (the one which shows up on the top left both here and on the project page: [4] As for users who can write in Arabic, what about Tiamut? FunkMonk (talk) 03:53, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

I added the link there. As for Tiamut, she's not active for the time-being and I'm not sure if she is able to type Arabic symbols with her computer. I wish Anas and Slacker were still active. --Al Ameer son (talk) 04:25, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

I am using this tool as I can't type Arabic with my keyboard. -- FayssalF - ^{Wiki me up®} 04:31, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

I just thanked you on your talk page and I want to thank you again for providing this tool. Now, any user who knows how to write in Arabic but doesn't have the keyboard for it, could provide scripts. --Al Ameer son (talk) 04:35, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

I can explain to anyone who would like to know how to type in Arabic how to do it. The Arabic ASDF Eastern keyboard uses the same arrangement of letters as the English keyboard, and is free. Just ask if you want to know how to do it. Badagnani (talk) 04:45, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

It's times like these when I wish that I could read and write in Arabic. Unfortunately, I could only speak the language good. --Al Ameer son (talk) 04:54, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

The new page is already very effective, great work, guys! FunkMonk (talk) 04:57, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

I just learned to read the Arabic alphabet myself, but it's still helpful to type in Arabic, for Wikipedia as well as to search on the Internet in Arabic. You can use websites like http://www.arabiclookup.com/default.aspx?en=appear and http://www.google.com/language_tools to translate from Arabic to English, and vice versa. Badagnani (talk) 04:58, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

I can type in Arabic, I can also provide translation. However, I may not be available as much as the rest of you because I'm also working in the Arabic Wikipedia and mostly in the Arabic Wikitionary (Wikamoos) - so you will have to be patient with me, or leave a note on wikamoos ([5]) if it’s urgent because I'm mostly there. --Maha Odeh (talk) 06:20, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

No problem, there's already three users volunteering and we're looking for as much as we can (the more the merrier!) Go ahead and list your name if you like. Salaam! --Al Ameer son (talk) 06:24, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Changes to the WP:1.0 assessment scheme

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Country studies

All the text on this page: http://memory.loc.gov/frd/cs/ is in the public domain and can be freely copied to Wikipedia.

It is by the US government, and it has detailed articles about all Arab countries. FunkMonk (talk) 01:30, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Mustafa Tajouri

An article, albeit a stub at moment, which I created has been put up at Afd. The article being Mustafa Tajouri. Tajouri is the Ambassador of Libya to Russia, and only a few sources can be found on this highest level diplomat from Libya - those sources being in English and Russian. As Tajouri is Libyan, it is likely there are going to be sources for information out there in Arabic, however, not understanding Arabic, I can't find and add these sources to the article. If any of this project members could take a look and see if they can find any info on this ambassador, and add it to the article. There are going to be a heap of ambassador articles on subjects from the Arab world, and they are forming part of this article I am working on developing. Also if someone could add the name in Arabic to the article, and correct it if incorrect, that would be good too. On a small sidenote, has more article in it which I have created and also need names in Arabic. Ambassadors are high level representatives of their nations, and they have likely had a multitude of credentials for which they were appointed to the position in the first place, it's just finding the info that can be difficult, and it is important to fight systematic bias to have articles on these ambassadors. We need editors help. Thanks. --Россавиа ^Диалог 04:15, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

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What is Cinema 500 km in Arabic?

What is Cinema 500 km in Arabic? WhisperToMe (talk) 05:35, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia 0.7 articles have been selected for Arab world

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Arabist

I bring to your attention the article Arabist, which seems to me potentially important and yet fundamentally weak. I tried to add Lady Hester Stanhope, in whom I have a passing interest, and was reverted by a new editor who added a whole essay about racism. I cannot fight this battle, but thought at least the article should be brought under your collective noses, if not microscopes; hence I aded the project flag -- it previously had nothing. Good luck! BrainyBabe (talk) 13:57, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Need etymology for Baba ghanoush

Can someone add etymology at Baba ghanoush? Badagnani (talk) 22:28, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Syria GAN

Syria has been nominated for Good article status. It needs some referencing, copyeditting and some restructuring though. We should all help Yazan better the article. We just lost Lebanon recently, meaning no Arab countries, except for the Comoros, are listed as GAs. --Al Ameer son (talk) 21:20, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Need image

Need a representative image at the top of this project's page. Badagnani (talk) 01:23, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Article desperately needing review

Recent article Intolerance within pan-arabism looks to me like a poorly written POV mess. It is possible that there is an article hiding in here. It is possible that there is material that should be refactored elsewhere. Conversely, it is possible that it should simply be deleted. I don't claim enough knowledge of the subject matter to make the call. I'm assuming this WikiProject should be rife with people who would have the relevant knowledge. - Jmabel | Talk 00:40, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

I deleted the article as it was created by a banned user. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 18:20, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Thank you. You saved me a lot of work trying to salvage bits and pieces from that POV essay for inclusion in other articles. Tiamut^talk 18:24, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

If you see another copy of the essay appear under a different name, please leave a note on WP:ANI about the article. When the essay is reposted, it is usually under a different name than previous article titles. See an old WP:ANI report regarding this. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 19:41, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

need assistance for Anti-Arabism in Algeria

Lately I started a discussion about Anti-Arabism in Algeria. I want to ask assistance from expert users to resolve a dispute with another user who kept simply undoing my edits. You can read our discussion and check the history of the section to see the differences (revision is here). I hate playing do/undo game forever. I appreciate your help in advance. Bestofmed (talk) 14:50, 20 December 2008 (UTC).

Milestone Announcements

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I thought this WIkiProject might be interested. Ping me with any specific queries or leave them on the page linked to above. Thanks! - Jarry1250 ^{(t, c)} 21:40, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

"Fihrist" or "Fehrest" at al-Nadim?

Xashaiar (talk · contribs), who seems to make a lot of "Persian, not Arab" edits, is insisting that al-Nadim's book be transliterated Persian-style as "Fehrest", rather than "Fihrist" which is used by 98% of books and sources in English, including the title of the standard English translation.

It doesn't help our readers if they're following up a reference from a book and they get put off because we're not using the standard spelling; and it seems to me this goes right against the instructions at WP:MOSAR to use a "primary transcription", when it exists.

Could anyone take a look? The article in question is Ibn al-Nadim. Thanks, Jheald (talk) 19:28, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Coordinators' working group

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Portal:Roads

The World Roads Portal is at Peer Review, if any editors know of any articles, images, news items or DYKs which could be added to the Portal, please add them directly to the portal or contact ....SriMesh | talk 00:35, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

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Lebanese Arabic

Lebanese Arabic is in need of attention. It lacks sources making it impossible to verify the information, and this article was tagged from April 2007 meaning it could go for deletion. Also the length and the material are just disappointing for what should be an interesting article. Please make this article a priority. thanks --Falastine fee Qalby (talk) 21:36, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Merger Proposal

It has been proposed that Israeli salad be merged into Arabic salad. The articles are about the basic same salad. The israeli salad article even admits that the salad is known as Arab salad in the Israeli state. Please visit the Israeli Salad talk page and discuss. AlHabibi1958 (talk) 01:53, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

The use of barley in cuisine

I have a quote that the grain barley is not much used in food except in the Middle east, yet I didn't see much mention in the cuisine articles. I figured I'd ask here, if anyone was familiar with the uses of barley in any western asian/middle eastern cuisine, adding it to the Barley#Food section of the barley article would be highly appreciated. Casliber (talk · contribs) 03:17, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

I know from personal experience, that my mother used it for a soup meal and in Palestine we ate moist boiled barley with sugar. I'm sure it's used elsewhere in the wider cuisine, but have no sources just yet. --Al Ameer son (talk) 03:22, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Terrific, thanks for getting back to me - will keep my fingers crossed :) Casliber (talk · contribs) 04:49, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Hi Casliber. Here are some sources and information that my be of use.

Barley is used in Arabic cuisine to make a condiment known as murri. (See here for more information on how it is made.)

Barley soup and milk soup (the first made of whole grains of barley, the second ground barley flour and bran), have a long history of use in the Arab world. (See here.) The author of this work also mentions that barley bread was regularly eaten in Medina at the time of Mohammed, due to the scarcity of wheat in that city. This source mentions barley soup in eaten during [[Ramadan]. Sawiq is a soup made dry wheat or barley mixed with water, butter, honey, oil, etc. It could be eaten dry too and was often eaten by Arabs on long journeys or during military campaigns [6].

Avicenna wrote of the healing effects of barley water, barley soup and barley broth [7] drawing on the work of Ellbochasim.

Interestingly, the feudal system in Turkey employed the term Arpalik, or "barley-money", to refer to a second allowance made to officials to defray the costs of fodder for their horses. [8]

I will try to add some of the this material to existing Arabic cuisine articles and maybe create articles of Murri and Sawiq that you could link to from the Barley article. Thanks for raising the question here. Tiamut^talk 13:00, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

I would be extremely grateful for you to sprinkle the above material in the barley article, as I must fix some other chores. The above material could go in several sections and really bolster the article. I will join in a bit later. :) Casliber (talk·contribs) 12:39, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

I have some real life stuff to attend to, but as soon as I have the chance, I'll do that. Thanks for your interest and help. Tiamut^talk 13:05, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

As an update, I have added a few of the other bits mentioned above - turkish measurement and avicenna...Casliber (talk · contribs) 10:48, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

In Morocco (not sure about Algeria though) it is called dchich or dshisha... I am talking about a soup made of barley, hot milk and a honey teaspoon. -- FayssalF - ^{Wiki me up®} 18:08, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Cool! Got a ref? We can add that as well..Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:41, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Never seen whole barley grains used in Yemeni cuisine but I believe that barley flour is a staple in Yemen (not sure though). BTW, that Moroccan soup sounds a lot like sherbat herish [9]. Barley has a weird texture, try the soup with bulghur! --Falastine fee Qalby (talk) 01:07, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Well, I found an unsourced ar.wiki article. The rest are in French and it seems that the only one who uses honey with it is my mother! This one is made with tomatoes instead. -- FayssalF - ^{Wiki me up®} 02:18, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Moroccan barley soup pulled up a better English result --Falastine fee Qalby (talk) 02:56, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Good job finding that source! I'll try to find more Palestinian (or Levantine) usage of barley in the sources. --Al Ameer son (talk) 04:46, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Moors # Seensawsee's edits # The facts

Hi! You might be interested in the discussion at Talk:Moors#The_facts. Thank you. The Ogre (talk) 14:44, 26 April 2009 (UTC) The Ogre (talk) 14:44, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

WP:NOT#PLOT

Apologies for the notice, but this is being posted to every WikiProject to avoid accusations of systemic bias. Hiding T 13:25, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

a proposal

guys, how about making all arab countries wikiprojects under the Arab world wikiproject?? I think that would be better for the project and we can modify the tags to be under this wikiproject. Saud (talk) 15:50, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

What do you mean? Like make WikiProject Egypt, Morocco, Iraq, Palestine, etc. task-forces of WikiProject Arab World? --Al Ameer son (talk) 16:35, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

yup, kind of ;) Saud (talk) 16:37, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

I see no problem with your proposal, but I have to think about it a little before I could support it. We have make sure each individual project agrees to join through some sort of consensus, however, and this could get a little messy. --Al Ameer son (talk) 16:52, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

• I'm not sure it's a good idea, it's the same as if all projects for EU member/European countries were merged into a EU/Europe project. FunkMonk (talk) 17:50, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

I also doubt that the members of the individual projects would agree to it. If this proposal fails, there are many other ways we could stimulate efforts to improve this project's efficiency. It's actually quite a shame—there are no articles on Arab countries that have good or featured status. We have to think of some way for us to collaborate on an important article within the project's scope and it doesn't have to be on a state. --Al Ameer son (talk) 22:15, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

I was actually thinking about proposing a collaboration on the top priority article Arab. It is not even C quality. I did some referencing work on the religion section, but was sidetracked. I will start working on it again soon and hopefully then I will post a collaboration proposal. -Falastine fee Qalby (talk) 22:36, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

That's an excellent idea. That article is in a terrible state. I did some work in the History section, but I too, was sidetracked. Of course this was ages ago. I doubt we will be able to make it a GA anytime soon, but we have to at least get it to B-class. It's the core article of the project. --Al Ameer son (talk) 04:04, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

I agree too, the article about Arabs should of course be the number one priority of the Arab project. Next could be the Arabic language or culture articles. FunkMonk (talk) 11:00, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Tasks and New articles

I'm going to add considerably to the list of tasks we have to do and how about having a subpage on new articles? --Al Ameer son (talk) 03:41, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

That's a great idea, go ahead. --Saud (talk) 13:53, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

I didn't notice sections for "Expansion", 'Verify", and "Cleanup". If there are none, how would we add this to the existing tasks template. I added a bunch of article requests and I encourage everyone else does the same. As for New articles, it already has a subpage, but all project members should have it on their watch list and list any new articles they or others have created. --Al Ameer son (talk) 23:24, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Arabic kin terms we don't have in English

I'm wondering if anyone can help with Arabic kin terms we don't have in English, that I can't look up in a dictionary.

What's the relationship between people whose children get married? That is, when you arrange with another family that your and their children will marry, what's the word for your relationship? and what do you call each other?

What's the relationship between men who marry sisters? (that is, there are two sisters, they get married, what's the relationship between their husbands?) Between women who marry brothers? And can men and women use the same words (say when there's a brother and sister, who get married, and their wife and husband address each other), or do the terms depend on the sex of the speaker as well as the sex of the addressee?

Finally, co-wives, women who marry the same husband / share a husband. Also, if two men marry the same woman (through divorce or death - but maybe that usually only happens when a man marries his dead brother's wife?)

Thanks, kwami (talk) 21:18, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Progress of resolution of naming issue for placenames in Israel and Palestine

In relation to remedy 13.1 of Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/West Bank - Judea and Samaria,
I have requested an update on progress at:

Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Israel_Palestine_Collaboration/Placename_guidelines#Current_status

for the proposed guidelines currently located at:

Wikipedia:WikiProject Israel Palestine Collaboration/Placename guidelines. Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:51, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Update

Voting or commenting on each segment of the Proposed guidelines in relation to remedy 13.1 of the recently closed West Bank - Judea and Samaria arbitration case. Please comment here on preferred usage in the West Bank/Judea and Samaria area, to determine consensus by July 13th 2009.

The more comments/votes/consensus, the better. We really need to firm up consensus by community input into some of these areas to reduce the drain on admin and editor resources in policing naming disputes. Casliber (talk · contribs) 14:28, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Arab–Israeli conflict facts, figures, and statistics

See that this page gets deleted. Izzedine (talk) 01:05, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Assessment box issue

Is there a reason why the assessment box of this project doesn't display the quality class and project importance statistics i.e. B-class Mid-importance, Start-class High-importance, etc.? It doesn't even feature a link to view the articles that are currently under this project's scope. I remember that it used to a long time ago, but now it doesn't. Does anybody know how to fix this? --Al Ameer son (talk) 05:36, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

GA Class Review of the United Arab Emirates

Can someone please reassess the United Arab Emirates article. I believe it has geatly improved, and deserves a review. --MoHasanie  Talk  13:10, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

I think you should hold on. I've edited the History section of the article and found numerous grammar mistakes and instances of POV. I will go over the entire article soon, but in general there seems to be a lot of promotional lines and the some of sources chosen are not specific enough. I strongly recommend you go on google books to find more on the UAE. Here are some books I looked up that could be read online and that could be used in the article: United Arab Emirates: A country study, United Arab Emirates, a new perspective, The United Arab Emirates: a venture in unity, and The United Arab Emirates: a modern history. --Al Ameer son (talk) 18:08, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Gamal Abdel Nasser

Marhaba everyone! WikiProject Egypt has selected Gamal Abdel Nasser as this week's collaboration project (See Wikipedia:WikiProject Egypt/Collaboration). Since Nasser was also an important figure for the Arab world, many of you might be interested in helping out. Please join our efforts to get this article to Featured status. If anyone is interested, list your names under the participants section. --Al Ameer son (talk) 21:47, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Rename Syrian occupation of Lebanon to Syrian military presence in Lebanon

Please share your views here. (talk) 12:38, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

i completely agree with this, since it was not an occupation, as including Lebanon into "greater Syria", Lebanon maintained its sovereignty, and its independence, and was recognized as an independent country by Syria, and vice versa... Arab League User (talk) 05:56, 10 August 2009 (UTC)--

Proposed deletion of Wasfi al-Atassi article

The above article (about Wasfi Beik al-Atassi (1888 -1933) (Arabic: وصفي الأتاسي‎) who was a Syrian nationalist, statesman and one of the original writers of the Syrian constitution) has been nominated for deletion by myself.

I could find no non-wiki sources of information online, and no mentions of him in any article apart from the Atassi article, which has one sentence about him, and a sentence in the Hikmat al-Hiraki article.

If anyone here with knowledge of Syrian history has some off-line references which they could add, that would be very useful! The closing date for the PROD is 2009-08-22 21:39>

Thank you -- PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 15:23, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Can someone check out potential Arabic-language sources for Wasfi al-Atassi?

A Google web search for وصفي الأتاسي‎ returns 8250 hits. A Google news search returns 3 hits. A Google books search returns 4 hits.

Unfortuantely, I can't read Arabic (although if I get a chance, I will try using Google's translate service to check out the news and book hits) - so if an Arabic-reading editor could look at these, I'm sure that there will be some reliable sources amongest them!

Regards, -- PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 11:28, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Incidently, I'm hoping to get a chance to go to my library to see if I can find mentions in books there about him, but as I'm in Croydon, not in Syria, I'm not holding out a lot of hope! -- PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 09:35, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Completely mystified by page Turabah

Found this while working WP:UNCAT. Does anyone have any idea what/where this page is about? Cleanup, delete, stub? Here at: Turabah. MatthewVanitas (talk) 03:38, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Bashar Abdulah

This article needs some attention from someone familiar with Arabic. It needs some tidying up and references checking to confirm notability. Any help would be appreciated. noq (talk) 18:35, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

Thawb, Jellabiya, Djellaba, Kaftan, etc.

There are currently articles for each of these types of clothes, but many, if not all, seem to be the same, some just with different transliterations! Shouldn't they be merged? FunkMonk (talk) 18:25, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

WP:WikiProject Entrepreneurship policies in the Arab world

Template:ArabEntrep banner We will be building this Arab Entrepreneurship WikiProject over the next several years, with an article on entrepreneurship policies in each of the 22 Arab countries. We also have started a List of Arab entrepreneurship initiatives that has already been widely used. (E.g., Google search for: <arab entrepreneurship> and it comes up as #1.) We're new to WikiProjects and would really appreciate an experienced Editor helping us navigate Wikipedia policies. E.g., an editor not affiliated with the project just stripped away all the external URL links to all 150+ Arab entrepreneurship initiatives, to conform with the WP:LINKFARM policy. Fair enough, though this strikes us as a disservice to readers. We suspect a better way can be found that provides a link to the initiatives, but we don't know enough about the WP rules/ guidelines/ policies and don't have time now to dive in (as we're organizing a conference on this topic). We have a great team to handle the content of the articles, and there's lots of interest in this topic, but we are a bit daunted by the Wikipedia rules. Is anyone interested in helping us take this on? (Ideally, we'd also find a second Editor fluent in Arabic who can help oversee similar content on the Arabic Wikipedia.) Naturally, we'll integrate this with the broader Arab World Project. Many thanks to anyone who can work on this, or refer us to someone who can. Thank you! DaleMurphy (talk) 13:46, 30 October 2009 (UTC)