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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. T. Canens (talk) 23:20, 28 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

List of Chinese administrative divisions by population

List of Chinese administrative divisions by population (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD • AfD statistics)
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Unsourced,OR BsBsBs (talk) 20:40, 21 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The Chinese city population entries are completely unsourced. The footnotes 1-5 do not point to sources, but to explanations of the type of the administrative region. The comparison entries are all unsourced except for India. Comparisons with other regions may be viewed as Original Research.-- BsBsBs (talk) 20:47, 21 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

As someone who is looking after the welfare of Beijing, I can assure you that
  • it is not easy to obtain up-to-date population numbers in China
  • once you have them, they are contentious (there was an edit war over Beijing's official population number of 22 million - pls compare to the number in this list)
I am all for this list, but to stay alive, it must be sourced. Thank you for the invitation, but maintaining it timely and correctly is beyond my capacities. The assertion that "the same amount of effort following the three steps to AfD could have been made looking up statistics" is patently wrong. Try it on a few major provinces. If it's so easy, why isn't there a single reference? -- BsBsBs (talk) 05:31, 22 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep I believe all nations have official websites that list their census bureau's information on it. Some information is listed on the American government's Census bureau's website. www.census.gov Shouldn't be difficult to find if any of the information is sincerely in doubt. I don't see any reason to have the section "Comparable country (country rank worldwide)". Why mention what nation or state has the same population of that area? I don't see as how that helps anyone. Dream Focus 03:59, 22 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Try it. Sourced in China. -- BsBsBs (talk) 05:31, 22 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment: Just noticed a little something. Quote: "The footnotes 1-5 do not point to sources" - precisely. They are notes, not references. The article specifically states that. I don't see anything "wrong" with that. Many WP:FA also contain notes. They are used to clarify certain things that some readers might not understand, without completely ruining the format of the body article. Sources, on the other hand, are given as external links, because as the figures change each year, so does the page URL. I also don't see why linking to the main page of the Bureau of Statistics is "wrong". Linking to the direct page can lead to link rot. -- 李博杰  | —Talk contribs email 04:14, 22 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Red herring. Where are the sources? Next time I write that someone killed someone, I provide the main page of the National Enquirer and say look for yourself, there might be link rot? -- BsBsBs (talk) 05:31, 22 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • comment I deleted all the nation comparison stuff, which got the nominator all worked up about OR and seems rather arbitrary to me. Yoenit (talk) 11:50, 22 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment It may seem arbitrary to you and me, but editors have been accused of Original Research in much less obvious cases. The fact that the list is unreferenced remains. I have made three good faith edits for Chongqing, Beijing, and Shanghai. Sorry, the numbers for Chongqing and Beijing are different than what was in the list, but now they are properly referenced. The other numbers should be properly referenced likewise. I happen to follow Chongqing, Beijing and Shanghai, so I have those numbers. As two out of three numbers were wrong, I expect further changes as this list is properly referenced. If it's not, all unreferenced data can be deleted. It is now unlikely that the whole page will be deleted. However, all unreferenced data can be deleted at any time. (Caution: Even after everything is properly referenced, giving a ranking could attract accusations of WP:OR on the grounds of "Do not combine material from multiple sources to reach or imply a conclusion not explicitly stated by any of the sources. If one reliable source says A, and another reliable source says B, do not join A and B together to imply a conclusion C that is not mentioned by either of the sources." I don't like it, but them's the rules.) -- BsBsBs (talk) 14:55, 22 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
      • I didn't even see the rank until now. A rather useless column as you can use the autosort function to sort the table on population size, so I removed it. If you feel the need to remove all numbers you can not get a reliable source for, please do so. It would leave the list utterly gutted for now, but eventually lead to improvement. Yoenit (talk) 15:33, 22 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, a valid topic. If there is any uncertainty or dispute as to the numbers for a particular area, this should be noted and explained in the article. Lankiveil (speak to me) 03:32, 27 June 2010 (UTC).[reply]
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Cheung Chau fishball

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Content has been merged into Fish_ball#Hong_Kong_and_Macau UKWikiGuy (talk) 14:55, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep and consider refocusing the article to be about Kam Wing Tai Fish Balls, the business that the Hong Kong Tourism Board highlighted as being a must-visit when trying Cheung Chau's fish balls, per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.
    1. "魚蛋一哥甘永泰" [Fish Ball King Kam Wing Tai]. Eat & Travel Weekly [zh] (in Chinese). 2006-01-26. p. ET036.

      The profile of Kam Wing Tai Fish Balls has 1,840 Chinese characters. The article notes: "事實上，甘永泰的魚蛋的確很鮮味，那日站在「甘永泰」檔口買魚蛋，一籮魚蛋在前，一朕魚的鮮味已不停的送出，騙不了人，咬落還很爽口彈牙鬆軟，質地比一般的細嫩，吃罷能留下一口鮮味，這點，的確贏了坊間很多馳名的魚蛋。"

      From Google Translate: "In fact, Kam Wing Tai's fish balls are indeed very flavorful. On the day I stood at the "Kam Wing Tai" stall to buy fish balls, a basket of fish balls was in front of me, and the freshness of the fish was evident. You can't fool anyone; biting into them is quite satisfying, with a bouncy and soft texture that is finer than the average. After eating, there’s a lingering taste of freshness that truly surpasses many well-known fish ball brands in the market."

    2. Chun, Angela (2012-10-11). "Sharing". The Sun (in Chinese). p. E13.

      The article notes: "長洲名物之一甘永泰魚蛋，以手製魚蛋、魚片等馳名中外，每次經過，總見人龍不斷，有人買走BBQ，亦有人選擇即叫即炸即吃，熱辣辣夠滋味。可是，我卻對招牌的魚蛋不甚欣賞，嫌佢軟綿綿缺乏彈性，亦不見得魚味出眾；相反那外表平庸的花枝丸卻充滿驚喜，咬破圓渾的花枝丸，頓時肉汁橫飛、鮮味滿瀉，軟滑彈牙的質感中更帶花枝粒，嚼勁十足，令我每次都情不自禁幫襯。"

      From Google Translate: "One of Cheung Chau's specialties, Kam Wing Tai Fish Balls, is famous for its handmade fish balls and fish slices, drawing long queues. While many enjoy the BBQ and freshly fried options, I personally find the signature fish balls lacking in texture and flavor. In contrast, the seemingly ordinary squid balls are a delightful surprise. When you bite into them, the juices burst out, delivering a rich, flavorful experience. Their soft yet bouncy texture, combined with bits of squid, makes them irresistible, and I can't help but keep coming back for more."

    3. "長洲尋新寶藏" [Searching for new treasures in Cheung Chau]. Ming Pao (in Chinese). 2006-08-26. p. D1.

      The article notes: "長洲的甘永泰魚蛋賣得街知巷聞，不過據長洲探子回報，原來本地人吃魚蛋粉，多幫襯碼頭旁「冬菇亭」大牌檔內的偉記"

      From Google Translate: "Cheung Chau's Kam Wing Tai fish balls are well-known, but according to local sources, residents often prefer the "Dried Mushroom Pavilion" dai pai dong next to the pier"

    4. Wong, Ho-yun 黃浩雲; Ng, Ka-fai 吳家輝, eds. (2018). 香港澳門攻略完全制霸2019 [Complete Guide to Dominating Hong Kong and Macau 2019] (in Chinese). Taipei: Mook 墨刻. p. 340. ISBN 978-986-289-432-3. Retrieved 2024-10-31 – via Google Books.

      The book notes: "踏出碼頭左轉的小公園廣場旁,即為名震全港的甘永泰魚蛋;所謂近水樓台先得月, 小島長洲的漁產自然格外新鮮豐富。甘永泰除了以 魚蛋揚名立萬,招牌四寶丸:魚蛋、墨魚丸、鯪魚球 和豬肉丸亦是遠近馳名。這裡的魚蛋不同於一般港 式魚蛋以「雜魚」混搭而成,店家用的是新鮮鮫魚現殺現製,賣完即止。如遇休魚期或漁 獲不豐,傍晚便告售罄,絕不粗製 濫造。除了魚蛋,炸魚皮亦值得一 試,鮮脆美味無窮。"

      From Google Translate: "Just to the left of the small park square at the ferry terminal is the famous Kam Wing Tai Fish Balls, renowned throughout Hong Kong. As the saying goes, "Those close to the water get the moon first," the fishing products from Cheung Chau Island are particularly fresh and abundant. In addition to their famous fish balls, Gān Wěng Tài's signature four treasures—fish balls, cuttlefish balls, mudfish balls, and pork balls—are also well-known far and wide. Unlike typical Hong Kong fish balls made from mixed fish, this shop uses fresh shark, prepared on the spot, and they sell out quickly. During closed fishing seasons or when catches are low, they often run out by evening, ensuring quality over quantity. Besides fish balls, the fried fish skin is also worth trying—it's fresh, crispy, and incredibly delicious."

    5. Matchar, Emily; Chen, Piera (2017). Lonely Planet Hong Kong. Footscray, Victoria: Lonely Planet. ISBN 978-1-78701-047-5. Retrieved 2024-10-31 – via Google Books.

      The book notes: "The long line snaking along the alley should tell you something about this celebrated pit stop. Hakka-style snack balls of minced fish and meat are served piping hot. A stick of chewy assorted balls is highly recommended."

    6. "長洲太平清醮全攻略！" [Complete Guide to Cheung Chau Bun Festival!]. Eat & Travel Weekly [zh] (in Chinese). 2006-05-03. p. EET085.

      The article notes: "位於新興街和東灣路的交界是一個小廣場，就是著名甘永泰魚蛋專賣店前位置。這位置比較寬闊，又有幾棵老榕樹"

      From Google Translate: "At the intersection of Sun Hing Street and East Bay Road, there is a small square right in front of the famous Kam Wing Tai fish ball shop. This area is relatively spacious and features a few old banyan trees."

    7. "離島海鮮" [Islands District Seafood]. Weekend Weekly [zh] (in Chinese). 2005-03-07. p. A160.

      The article notes: "長洲的甘永泰魚蛋出名又爽又彈牙，咬下去清脆利落甚至感到“卜”一聲，質地前所未有的爽脆，而且充滿魚味，用來打魚蛋的都是每日來自長洲的魚鮮，工場就在店家旁邊，幾乎全個長洲人都必定幫襯。每朝４、５點就開始打魚蛋，６點就有鮮魚蛋賣，下晝不夠５點已經賣曬！除魚蛋外，還有蝦丸、魚片和鮮蝦雲吞，只要看見旁邊的幾位婆婆不停在剝蝦殼，就知用料有幾足！"

      From Google Translate: "The fish balls from Kam Wing Tai in Cheung Chau are famous for being fresh and bouncy. When you bite into them, they have a crisp snap, and you can even hear a satisfying 'pop.' Their texture is incredibly crunchy and packed with fish flavor. The fish used for the fish balls comes fresh daily from Cheung Chau, with the factory located right next to the shop, making it a must-visit for almost everyone in Cheung Chau. They start making fish balls at around 4 or 5 in the morning, and by 6, the fresh fish balls are already on sale. They're usually sold out by just after 5 in the afternoon! Besides fish balls, they also offer shrimp balls, fish slices, and fresh shrimp wontons. Just look at the several aunties next to you constantly peeling shrimp shells, and you'll know the ingredients are top-notch!"

    8. Chiu, Mo-yin 徐務研 (2011-07-07). "食典1：Hea食長洲燒魚春香滿街" [Food Tip 1: Enjoy the grilled fish on Cheung Chau, with the aroma filling the streets!]. Apple Daily (in Chinese). p. E02.

      The article notes: "老字號「甘永泰魚蛋」有廿年歷史，檔口一出碼頭行幾步即見，魚蛋用門鱔每天人手打製，特別彈牙，魚味十足不會食到成口粉，細細粒好正鬥，MK啲魚蛋係就綁大串呀，不過大而無當囉。"

      From Google Translate: "The old brand "Kam Wing Tai Fish Balls" has a history of twenty years. Just a few steps from the pier, you'll find the stall. The fish balls are handmade daily using fresh eel, resulting in a particularly bouncy texture and a strong fish flavor—no mouthfuls of flour here! They're small but just right. Unlike those large fish balls from MK, which are more about size than substance."

    9. "Kam Wing Tai Fish Balls". Time Out. 2018-06-19. Archived from the original on 2023-05-29. Retrieved 2024-10-31.

      The article notes: "Size matters. And some of Hong Kong’s biggest and best fishballs can be found right here at Kam Wing Tai. This legendary stall has been serving up its giant, chewy fishball skewers for more than 40 years. Order the signature as well as an assortment of the other equally delicious hot skewers like the minced fish, squid, meat and tofu ones."

    10. Hon, Larissa (2011-04-21). "Cheung Chow: With the annual Cheung Chau Bun Festival just around the corner, Larissa Hon scours the island for some local treats". South China Morning Post. Archived from the original on 2024-10-31. Retrieved 2024-10-31.

      The article notes: "Kam Wing Tai. This renowned snack shop offers all kinds of local favorites, from chicken wings to fish balls—not to mention their famous bacon sausage wrap, sold exclusively here. Take your picks and the staff will fry them right on the spot. If you’re craving something more filling, go for a slab of their pork chop or chicken breast, which are fried to a golden crisp—sinful but delicious. For a mere $20, you’ll be able to try almost all of their famous snacks. What a steal!"

    11. Articles about its closure:
      1. Chan, Ka-cheung 陳家昌 (2024-08-20). Chow, Mei-ho 周美好 (ed.). "老字號跟熟客說再見 傳媒人最懷念的本地結業食肆" [Long-Established Shops Bid Farewell to Regulars: Local Eateries Most Missed by Media Professionals]. Hong Kong Economic Times (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 2024-10-31. Retrieved 2024-10-31.

        The article notes: "飲食記者Denise經常會到不同區域掃街，她說：「放假有時會入長洲或大澳等離島『搵食』，去大澳會吃大墨魚、茶果、沙翁，和幫襯岸邊的cafe等等，如果入長洲就必吃甘永泰的大魚蛋！」所以今次甘永泰傳出結業，感到很可惜。"

        From Google Translate: "Food journalist Denise often explores different neighborhoods for good eats. She shared, "On my days off, I sometimes go to Cheung Chau or Tai O to 'find food.' In Tai O, I enjoy large squid, tea cakes, and snacks from the cafes along the shore. But if I go to Cheung Chau, I must have Gai Wong Tai's big fish balls!” So, the news of Kam Wing Tai's closure feels quite disappointing to her."

        The article notes: "她覺得甘永泰的大魚蛋特別爽口彈牙，除了在現場吃一串外，還會買半斤至一斤回家慢慢品嘗。「我眼闊肚窄，現場吃不了多少，最好就是買回家日後再吃，始終去長洲有點遠，不會常去。」除大魚蛋外，Denise還會吃甘永泰的四寶丸和魚肉釀豆卜。「四寶丸有鯪魚球、龍蝦丸、白魚蛋和墨魚丸，可以一次過滿足4個願望；魚肉釀豆卜炸得很香脆，雖然邪惡，但十分香口。」"

        From Google Translate: "Denise finds Gai Wong Tai's big fish balls especially delightful and springy. Besides enjoying a skewer on-site, she likes to buy half a pound to a pound to savor at home later. "I can't eat much on-site, so it's best to take some home. After all, going to Cheung Chau is a bit far, and I can't visit often." In addition to the fish balls, Denise also enjoys Gai Wong Tai's four treasure balls and fish-stuffed tofu. "The four treasure balls include mullet fish balls, lobster balls, white fish balls, and squid balls, satisfying four cravings at once. The fish-stuffed tofu is deep-fried to crispy perfection—though it's a bit indulgent, it's incredibly tasty.""

      2. Chugani, Michael 褚简宁 (2024-08-09). "又中又英｜Comfort food" [Chinese and English｜Comfort food]. Sing Tao Daily (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 2024-10-31. Retrieved 2024-10-31.

        The article notes: "I was disappointed when I saw the news that the Kam Wing Tai Fish Balls eatery on Cheung Chau Island will close after 48 years in business. I liked going to Cheung Chau with friends when I was younger. I remember eating Kam Wing Tai fish balls because they are much larger than other fish balls in Hong Kong. For me, fish balls from hawkers or eateries like Kam Wing Tai always taste better than those sold in convenience stores. But there are no more fish ball hawkers in Hong Kong. The government should re-issue permits for them after ensuring hygiene standards."

      3. "Outback關9分店 「告別餐」大排長龍" [Outback's Branch 9: Long Lines for the 'Farewell Meal']. Sing Tao Daily (in Chinese). 2024-08-05. Archived from the original on 2024-10-31. Retrieved 2024-10-31.

        The article notes: "長洲新興街「甘永泰魚蛋」亦傳出結業消息，有網民在社交媒體指，店員表示店舖最後營業日為本月15日。不少網民聞訊後，均表達不捨之情，直言傷心；有人指每次到長洲都要「食呢一間魚蛋店，打卡」，有人亦緬懷其招牌魚蛋、炸魚肉豆卜等的美味。翻查資料，該店曾獲旅發局推薦予遊客，簡介語以「長洲魚蛋是香港一絕，尤其是島上的甘永泰魚蛋，店門口經常排起長隊，受歡迎程度可見一斑」，來形容店家當年盛況。"

        From Google Translate: "There's news that "Kam Wing Tai Fish Balls" on New Hong Kong Street in Cheung Chau is closing down. Some netizens on social media reported that the staff mentioned the last operating day would be the 15th of this month. Many netizens expressed their sadness upon hearing the news, saying they felt heartbroken. Some mentioned that every time they visit Cheung Chau, they have to "eat at this fish ball shop and take a photo." Others reminisced about the deliciousness of its signature fish balls and fried fish skin tofu. According to records, the shop was once recommended by the Tourism Board to visitors, describing Cheung Chau's fish balls as a must-try in Hong Kong, particularly highlighting Kam Wing Tai, where long lines often formed at the entrance, reflecting its popularity."

      4. "長洲甘永泰傳結業 大魚蛋馳名" [Cheung Chau's Kam Wing Tai has closed, famous for its large fish balls]. Hong Kong Economic Journal (in Chinese). 2024-08-05. Archived from the original on 2024-10-31. Retrieved 2024-10-31.

        The article notes: "於旅發局網頁有介紹並形容為「一絕」的長洲人氣名店「甘永泰魚蛋」，近日網傳結業消息。有店員昨向傳媒證實8月15日結束營業，惟沒透露原因。該店在長洲屹立逾40年，除招牌經典咖哩大魚蛋，還有炸蝦丸、肉丸和海鮮丸等都十分有名。"

        From Google Translate: "The popular restaurant "Kam Wing Tai Fish Balls" in Cheung Chau, which was introduced and described as "unique" on the website of the Tourism Board, has recently been reported to be closing down. A store clerk confirmed to the media yesterday that it will close on 15 August, but did not reveal the reason. The store has been standing in Cheung Chau for more than 40 years. In addition to its signature classic curry big fish balls, it also has fried shrimp balls, meat balls and seafood balls, which are all very famous."

      5. "長洲「甘永泰魚蛋」8.15結業！逾40年老字號 名物長洲大魚蛋及蝦丸成絕響" [Cheung Chau's Kam Wing Tai Fish Balls Closes on 15 August! Over 40-Year-Old Establishment's Famous Big Fish Balls and Shrimp Balls Become a Thing of the Past] (in Chinese). Yahoo! News. 2024-08-04. Archived from the original on 2024-08-22. Retrieved 2024-10-31.

        The article notes: "「甘永泰魚蛋」是在長洲屹立40多年的老字號，相信每個入去長洲的遊客都必定試過，香港旅遊發展局的網站也有介紹「甘永泰魚蛋」，形容「長洲魚蛋是香港一絕，尤其是島上的甘永泰魚蛋。」主打的人氣名物包括招牌大魚蛋、魚肉釀豆卜及蝦丸等。大大粒的魚蛋炸得外脆內軟，夠鮮味之餘又彈牙，多年來都是長洲美食推介之一。"

        From Google Translate: "Kam Wing Tai Fish Balls has been a long-standing establishment in Cheung Chau for over 40 years, and it’s a must-try for every visitor to the island. The Hong Kong Tourism Board's website features Kam Wing Tai Fish Balls, describing them as "a unique delicacy in Hong Kong, especially Kam Wing Tai's fish balls on the island." The popular signature items include the large fish balls, fish-stuffed tofu, and shrimp balls. The big, crispy fish balls are fried to perfection, with a crunchy exterior and a soft, flavorful interior, making them a top recommendation for Cheung Chau's culinary scene over the years."

    There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Kam Wing Tai Fish Balls (traditional Chinese: 甘永泰魚蛋; simplified Chinese: 甘永泰鱼蛋) Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies)#Primary criteria, which requires "significant coverage in multiple reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject".

    Cunard (talk) 08:57, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

8 Clearwater Bay Road

8 Clearwater Bay Road (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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I proposed this for deletion with the reason "None of the sources are reliable, independent sources giving significant attention to this building. Databases, sources from companies related to the building, an apartment for sale... are not the sources needed to create an article on the apparently 3033rd highest building in the world. Are there indepth, non-routine, independent sources about this building? Its architecture, controversies, archaeological finds during construction, anything?"

Since then, the poorest sources have been removed, but nothing was done about the fundamental issues. If there is only routine coverage, unreliable sources, and database entries for this building, then it shouldn't have an article. Fram (talk) 14:43, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • My vote is Keep as of now. I'm seeing that you're probably concerned about the WP:TOOSOON criteria in this case. However, the article proposed for deletion can be expanded by other users in time. There is no need to tag it with a deletion notice yet. Other Hong Kong building articles such as Sino Plaza and The Westpoint can freely function as stubs when they are based on the same type of primarily database references until additional citations are found. Maybe the
type of tag is more fit in this situation. JeyReydar97 (talk) 15:09, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No idea why you think TOOSOON would apply to an article about a building from 2005. And WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is never a reason to keep an article. Fram (talk) 09:28, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources. Wikipedia:Notability (geographic features)#Artificial features says:

    Buildings, including private residences, transportation facilities and commercial developments, may be notable as a result of their historic, social, economic, or architectural importance, but they require significant in-depth coverage by reliable, third-party sources to establish notability.

    Sources

    1. "清水灣道8號 擬賣地後登場" [8 Clearwater Bay Road Set to Launch After Proposed Sale]. Hong Kong Economic Times (in Chinese). 2004-10-02.

      The article contains 1,000 Chinese characters. The article notes: "發展商睇好賣地成績而加快推盤步伐，其中由俊和集團發展的彩虹地鐵站上蓋項目，已正式訂命為清水灣道8號，示範單位即將開放予公眾參觀，可望在賣地後隨即開售。由俊和集團於2001年投得彩虹地鐵站上蓋項目，已正式訂命「清水灣道8號」，物業興建進度理想，已建至逾15樓 ..."

      From Google Translate: "Developers are accelerating the pace of launching new properties in light of the good land sales results. Among them, the Choi Hung MTR Station project developed by Chun Wo Group has been officially named as 8 Clear Water Bay Road. The show flat will be open to the public for viewing soon and is expected to be launched for sale immediately after the land sale. The Choi Hung MTR Station project won by Chun Wo Group in 2001 has been officially named as "8 Clear Water Bay Road". The construction progress of the property is ideal and has been built to more than 15 floors."

      The article notes: "以單幢式設計的清水灣道8號，樓高逾50樓，每層6至8夥設計，單位總數共316個。物業基座設有多層停車場及購物商場，住宅由12樓起至頂層57樓連天台單位。分層單位面積由622至982平方呎，分2房、3房及3房連套房間隔，所有單位均設有38呎環保露台，同區罕有。"

      From Google Translate: "8 Clearwater Bay Road is a single-building building with over 50 floors, 6 to 8 units per floor, and a total of 316 units. The property base has a multi-storey car park and a shopping mall, and the residential units range from the 12th floor to the top floor 57th floor with rooftop units. The area of ​​the stratified units ranges from 622 to 982 square feet, with 2 bedrooms, 3 bedrooms and 3 bedrooms with suites. All units have 38-foot environmentally friendly terraces, which are rare in the area."

    2. Chan, Yuen-su 陳阮素 (2012-12-28). "清水灣道8號 高層平租靚景" [8 Clearwater Bay Road: High-rise flat rental with beautiful views]. Sharp Daily (in Chinese).

      The article contains 493 Chinese characters. The article notes: "牛池灣年輕屋苑選擇不多，單幢式物業清水灣道8號，樓齡不足10年，加上位處港鐵彩虹站上蓋，基座商場特設出入口，交通方便就腳，租務承接力特強，但由於盤源不多，因此形成僧多粥少情況。"

      From Google Translate: "There are not many choices for young housing estates in Ngau Chi Wan. The stand-alone property at 8 Clear Water Bay Road is less than 10 years old. In addition, it is located above the MTR Choi Hung Station. The base shopping mall has a special entrance and exit. The transportation is convenient and the rental is very convenient. The undertaking capacity is very strong, but because there are not many disk sources, there is a situation where there are too many monks and too little food."

    3. "清水灣道8號高層貼息兩年" [Two-year interest rate discount for high-rise buildings at 8 Clear Water Bay Road]. Apple Daily (in Chinese). 2005-09-23.

      The article notes: "配合牛池灣地皮拍賣，俊和集團（711）重推同區清水灣道8號高層海景單位，每呎7000元起，發展商夥渣打銀行，提供2年利息津貼。城市理工大學管理碩士課程主任兼財經界專欄作家曾淵滄，最近斥資700萬元，購入該廈50樓E、F相連單位，約1300方尺，每呎約5385元。"

      From Google Translate: "In conjunction with the Ngau Chi Wan land auction, Chun Wo Group (711) re-launched the high-rise sea view unit at 8 Clear Water Bay Road in the same district, starting from HK$7,000 per square foot. The developer partnered with Standard Chartered Bank to provide a two-year interest subsidy. Zeng Yuancang, director of the Master of Management Program at City Polytechnic University and a columnist in the financial industry, recently spent HK$7 million to purchase the connecting unit E and F on the 50th floor of the building, which is approximately 1,300 square feet, at approximately HK$5,385 per square foot."

    4. "清8原價加推兩高層" [Clear 8 original price plus two high-rise buildings]. Sing Tao Daily (in Chinese). 2005-03-05.

      The article notes: "俊和旗下彩虹站上蓋清水灣道8 號重新推出後取得不俗銷情，發展商趁近日樓市升溫，趁勢於本週末加推十六個高層單位應市，平均尺價維持六千八百元，售價未有進一步調升，但較早前所提供的現金回贈優惠，則有所削減，但發展商仍維持會贈送厘印費。"

      From Google Translate: "8 Clear Water Bay Road, above Choi Hung Station owned by Chun Wo, has achieved good sales after its relaunch. The developer has taken advantage of the recent heating up of the property market and launched 16 more high-rise units on the market this weekend. The average price per square foot remains at HK$6,800, the selling price has not been further increased, but the cash rebate offer earlier provided has been reduced, but the developer will still maintain the free printing fee."

    5. "彩虹站新貴 清水灣道8號快推" [The new upstart in Choi Hung Station, 8 Clear Water Bay Road, quick promotion]. Hong Kong Economic Times (in Chinese). 2004-09-30.

      The article notes: "清水灣道8號是俊和由承建商踏足發展商界的第1個項目，相信發展商在設計及用料均會花上不少心思。而從開發商發給地產代理的新圖則中看到，新圖則全部加入環保露台及加入特色單位，以提升物業價值。該項目提供約330個622至977呎的單位，少量特色單位則由1,163至1,840呎，極高層單位可望舊機場一帶海景。"

      From Google Translate: "No. 8 Clear Water Bay Road is Chun Wo's first project as a contractor in the development industry. I believe the developer will put a lot of thought into the design and materials used. From the new plans sent to real estate agents by developers, all new plans include environmentally friendly terraces and special units to increase property value. The project provides approximately 330 units ranging from 622 to 977 feet, with a small number of specialty units ranging from 1,163 to 1,840 feet. The very high-rise units have sea views around the old airport."

    There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow 8 Clearwater Bay Road (simplified Chinese: 清水湾道8号; traditional Chinese: 清水灣道8號) to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".

    Cunard (talk) 08:19, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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TECO Electric and Machinery

TECO Electric and Machinery (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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I believe fits the criteria to be deleted for multiple issues - primarily notability based on WP:NOTDATABASE and WP:NOTADVERT. I made an effort to find references and could only find primary sources. Se7enNationArmy2024 (talk) 15:03, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am against deleting this article. I have just updated the "External links" section. This is a Taiwan company doing business worldwide, so as the descriptions are detailed in its Chinese page, its Enlish page is brief. It must, however, is needed in English for people in other countries. In Wikipedia, don't be a "deletioniist", but be an "encourager" to let other people to participate in update, in order to make a "weak" article a better article. --- By Yoshi Canopus (talk) 01:09, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Yoshi Canopus, there are no sources for this article; the company's website cannot show notability. Do you have links to any sources that demonstrate this company is notable by Wikipedia standards? StartGrammarTime (talk) 01:40, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.
    1. Sun, Yun-suan (2006). 臺灣奇蹟推手: 孫運璿先生管理講座紀念文集 [Promoter of Taiwan's Miracle: A Collection of Commemorative Essays of Mr. Sun Yun-Chuang's Management Lectures] (in Chinese). Taipei: National Taiwan University Press [zh]. pp. 188–193. ISBN 978-986-00-7834-3. Retrieved 2024-10-21 – via Google Books.

      The book covers the company on six pages. The book notes: "在集團轉投資方面,東元近年來更展現了旺盛的企圖心,除了電 子、電機、通訊之外,東元投資領域已經橫跨半導體、光電以及其他相 關的關鍵零組件、通訊固網、網路軟件、流通餐飲等行業。在多年經營 下,東元電機已由原來的重電、家電領域邁向全球化的高科技企業,從 製造、行銷等多面向發展,建立起縱橫世界的國際品牌——TECO。"

      From Google Translate: "In terms of group reinvestment, TECO has shown strong ambition in recent years. In addition to electronics, motors, and communications, TECO’s investment areas have spanned semiconductors, optoelectronics, and other related key components, communications fixed lines, and networks. Road software, distribution catering and other industries. After years of operation, TECO has moved from its original heavy electrical and home appliance fields to a global high-tech enterprise, developing from manufacturing, marketing and other aspects, and established TECO, an international brand that spans the world."

    2. Shelton, Paul (2024-05-07). "Taiwan's TECO Electric and Machinery faces proxy battle. Shareholder group demands change of management and core business focus". Taiwan News. Archived from the original on 2024-05-07. Retrieved 2024-10-21.

      The article notes: "Taiwanese electronics conglomerate TECO Electric and Machinery Co. (TECO) is in the middle of a proxy battle ahead of its upcoming annual general meeting on May 24. Eugene Huang (黃育仁), the grandson of TECO founder Lin Ho-yin (林和引), has released his vision for the company’s future with the launch of the FutureTECO campaign. Huang, whose father Theodore Huang was chair for many years but resigned from his board seat in 2021, has asked shareholders to support his eight nominees for TECO’s board at the upcoming general meeting. ... Founded in 1956 as an industrial motor manufacturer, TECO has evolved into a major business group, spanning heavy electric equipment, home appliances, information technology, communications, electronic components and parts, infrastructural engineering, financial investment, dining, and services."

    3. Wu, Jing-fang 吳靜芳 (2021-07-23). Wu, Ting-yun 吳廷勻; Wang, Li-hua 王儷華 (eds.). "東元之爭》父子惡鬥、家事變公事 　15萬股民權益在哪裡？" [TECO Battle》Father and son fight fiercely, family affairs turn into business affairs. Where are the rights of 150,000 shareholders?]. CommonWealth Magazine (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 2024-09-12. Retrieved 2024-10-21.

      The article notes: "東元集團黃茂雄、黃育仁父子經營權之爭，因為疫情進入2個月的延長賽，終於畫下暫時的逗點。"

      From Google Translate: "The dispute between the father and son of TECO Group Huang Maoxiong and Huang Yuren for management rights has finally come to a temporary end after entering a two-month extension due to the epidemic."

      The article notes: "這是一門代價不小的家族傳承及公司治理課。東元股東會投票結果，只是另一個開始。兩方公開收購戰還在進行，未來，東元電機必須更努力證明，自己仍是連續7年公司治理評鑑前5％的模範生。"

      From Google Translate: "This is a costly lesson in family inheritance and corporate governance. The voting result of TECO's shareholders' meeting is just another beginning. The public takeover battle between the two parties is still ongoing. In the future, TECO Electric must work harder to prove that it is still a model student in the top 5% of corporate governance evaluations for seven consecutive years."

    4. Wu, Jing-fang 吳靜芳 (2024-09-11). Hong, Jia-ning 洪家寧 (ed.). "銀行教父如何改造傳產老店？專訪東元新董事長利明献「我來危機管理」". CommonWealth Magazine. Archived from the original on 2024-10-21. Retrieved 2024-10-21.

      The article notes: "去年是東元業績最好的一年，去年毛利率創下七年新高，營收和EPS也刷新史上紀錄，財務健全、負債比率低，無庸置疑是一家營運穩健的公司。但過去這幾年，也是東元經營權紛爭最多的時期，父子反目的戲碼比八點檔還好看，吸住全民的注意力。現在經營權之爭已休戰，東元由華新麗華焦家、寶佳兩大股東共治的局勢落定，利明献認為，中長期來看，過去紛擾必定對品牌以及軍心有所影響，東元現在急需一個能扭轉態勢的掌舵者。"

      From Google Translate: "Last year was TECO's best performance year. Last year's gross profit margin hit a seven-year high, and revenue and EPS also set new historical records. With sound finances and a low debt ratio, there is no doubt that it is a company with stable operations. But the past few years have also been the period of most disputes over TECO's management rights. The drama about father and son's rebellion is even better than the 8 o'clock show, attracting the attention of the whole people. Now that the dispute over management rights has come to an end, TECO is now governed by the two major shareholders, Walsin Lihua Jiao Family and Baojia. Lee Ming-hsien believes that in the medium to long term, the past turmoil will definitely have an impact on the brand and military morale. TECO There is an urgent need for a leader who can turn the situation around."

    5. Zhang, Rui-yi 張瑞益 (2023-05-03). "東元永續績效 國際肯定 榮獲MSCI AA評級 列全球同業前15% 生產據點全都通過ISO 14000環保認證" [TECO's sustainable performance is recognised internationally Won the MSCI AA rating and ranked among the top 15% of global peers. All production sites have passed ISO 14000 environmental certification.]. United Daily News (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 2023-06-22. Retrieved 2024-10-21.

      The article notes: "東元電機是國內推動ESG相當積極且有成的企業，根據國際知名評比MSCI（Morgan Stanley Capital International）ESG Rating最新發布的2023年4月評比報告，東元再進一級，由A級升等為AA級，永續發展績效評比成績為全球同業中的前15%。MSCI在報告中指出，東元董事會運作良善，董事獨立性符合投資人期待；而東元全球的生產據點皆通過ISO 14000環保認證，為業界翹楚。"

      From Google Translate: "TECO Electric is a very active and successful company in promoting ESG in China. According to the latest April 2023 rating report released by the internationally renowned MSCI (Morgan Stanley Capital International) ESG Rating, TECO has moved up a level and been upgraded from Grade A. It is rated AA and ranks in the top 15% of its global peers in terms of sustainable development performance. MSCI pointed out in the report that TECO's board of directors operates well and the director's independence meets investors' expectations; TECO's global production sites have all passed ISO 14000 environmental certification and are among the best in the industry."

There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow TECO Electric and Machinery (traditional Chinese: 東元電機; simplified Chinese: 东元电机) to pass Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies)#Primary criteria, which requires "significant coverage in multiple reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject".

Cunard (talk) 09:01, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have taken a closer look at the articles you provided. Thanks for compiling them, I did not find a single one myself. However, I do not believe that these articles merit sufficient coverage. The (first two) articles by Taiwan News and CommonWealth Magazine aren't primarily about the company TECO itself. They portray the recent leadership battle around TECO. According to the notability guidelines sources must provide "Significant coverage of the company itself". Furthermore, there are other problems with the articles concerning the notability guidelines:
Multiple articles by one organization listed as one source:
1.Taiwan News: The article has been written by Contributing Writer Paul Shelton and is therefore not clearly independent or reliable. Furthermore, as the article mainly repeats the statements of parties involved in the leadership battle and only gives little, already publicly available information (Members of the board, short history, vague description of present TECO), it is probably churnalism.(see WP:ORIGIND)
2.CommonWealth Magazine: The "TECO's Father-Son Struggle, Family Matters Turned Into Public Matters..." article probably meets the criteria for a usable source. The other article, however, is about an entirely different person switching to TECO. The article itself briefly mentions TECO, but does not discuss it in depth.
3.United Daily News: The article is very short and probably only trivial coverage. Furthermore, it only lists awards that TECO got, does not go into any depth and reads like promotion.
Conclusion: I beleive that your third suggestion (first long article by CommonWealth) is the only article that can be used to asses the notability of TECO. However, a single source is not enough and the article is not entirely on topic as well. I have, however, not looked at your first suggestion (the book excerpt) yet. Rajix4 (talk) 12:16, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I consider all of these sources to contribute to notability. Regarding the Taiwan News article, that Paul Shelton is a contributing writer does not detract from the article's reliability. The source covers a leadership struggle in the company and includes secondary analysis ("However, the FutureTECO campaign has an uphill battle ahead of it.") Coverage of a leadership struggle in a company is coverage of the company. The article is functionally independent of the company. Both articles in CommonWealth Magazine provide significant of TECO. The second article does not briefly mention TECO; it mentions the company's name "東元" 41 times. Regarding the United Daily News article, I cited it because it verifies that TECO was covered in an April 2023 report by MSCI (Morgan Stanley Capital International) which strongly contributes to notability. The book excerpt strongly establishes notability because TECO is covered on six pages. Cunard (talk) 09:45, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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