User talk:Drmies

Never knew or would have guessed that you were an Anti....

So that just tells me you are an excellent and non biased editor.--Mike - Μολὼν λαβέ 04:24, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

• Thanks--but I don't know that I am. I do know that there are plenty of excellent and non-biased editors here who put their responsibility toward the project before their own politics and opinions. In fact, look up this all-too long talk page and you'll see a dozen or more. Some of the best writers I've ever worked with are active here, and I think most of them understand that good (encyclopedic) writing is driven by things other than personal opinions. Still, I appreciate it; I hope that Spiffy's dog gave you an extra lick. Drmies (talk) 04:29, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

What's with the lack of references in Dutchy stuff?

I know the nl.wp tends to be sans refs frequently. I was just looking at Edison Award which rightfully is topped with an unreferenced tag. BTW, can you find a better ref for the Edison Award in this article? I want it for my new stub, Craig Hella Johnson. I'll look tomorrow, but I've stayed up way too late already. Gotta be awake to face the public again in the morning. LadyofShalott 05:38, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

• Face the public, milady? I dare say, it shouldn't be so difficult. All your faces are good ones. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:59, 3 October 2013 (UTC)
  • Aw thanks, Crisco. I wish I could same the same for all the faces of the public. (Only certain ones provoke such commentary.) LadyofShalott 12:12, 3 October 2013 (UTC)
• Is that not good enough? I'm searching--but guess what, I had to use Google to find Google Advanced Search, which used to be a button on the search screen. This is the Edison website and should be reliable enough.

  I have nothing to offer on the quality of the Dutch wiki. It's sad and bad. You can go around and tag 90% of their articles as woefully unreferenced and unencyclopedically written. Compare Mathijs Bouman on our and their wikis and see the difference (granted, I worked extra hard on that one, since he's an old school friend and I got him up at DYK, but still). Have a gorgeous day! Drmies (talk) 14:29, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

3 October Festival and Rubberen Robbie would be easier to write if the Dutch equivalents had any sources, that's for sure. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 11:04, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

Well, look at Robbie now. Turns out it was a can of worms. Funny--for weeks now I've had a few lines from their "Stars on 45" parody in my head ("onze luitenant stak de kazerne in brand"), and now you bring them up! Anyway, look at the article and see how important those guys actually were--quite amazing. Who knew they wrote "Een beetje verliefd", Andre Hazes's signature hit? So, how was the show? Did you play good? Had much beer? Groupies? Did Rubberen Robbie, or maybe Van Beukenstein play? Was Nils there? Drmies (talk) 20:19, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

If you're planning to play 3 Oktober, don't try and drive one of these through the centre of Leiden

Nice one! The festival was utterly brilliant. Leiden is a lovely place, very hospitable crowd, good audience, everyone wanted to buy us a beer. I don't think Rubberen Robbie were there but Maximum Overdrive definitely were. Nils may or may not have been there for all I know - I spoke to so many people I couldn't keep up. But to say "their song "3 Oktoberrr" is a perennial favorite at the Leids 3 October Festival" is frankly an understatement. If you don't play it in your set, the crowd will sing it for you! We ended up doing an impromptu version of it as the last number at the last gig, realising we would not get away without doing so. We've been invited back next year, on the strict condition we play it! Mission between now and then is to learn enough Dutch to understand the lyrics - I can now pronounce "mooi" properly, so that's a step in the right direction I guess. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 09:33, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

Garrejones44444777 and 'pets'?

Hello, Drmies!
Thanks for your Admin action in regards to Garrejones44444777 (talk · contribs) (Nb. All edits Tag: Mobile edit)

However I fear you have uncovered a nest of ducks! (or Bunnies & TweetyPies!)
Garrejones44444777 turns up on 2013-09-28, the day after Tweety1962compostion is indeffed as a sock of TweetiePie1947.

 Comment: These are all from the recent edit history of Person to Bunny:

• BugsBunny1957 (talk · contribs) 19:57, 27 September 2013. "Due to being out of date that was partially unavoidable so the cartoon was officially cancelled out of theaters" (Tag: Mobile edit)
  
• Tweety1962compostion (talk · contribs) different edits, but the name is similar (and mispelled too!) Already blocked as a sock of 'TweetiePie1947'
  
• TweetiePie1947 (talk · contribs) 17:16, 27 September 2013‎ " That was paritly unavoidable when April 1, 1960 was a expired date for the cartoon to be released." (Tag: Mobile edit)
  
• 205.223.222.48 (talk · contribs) See here "Canceled out of theaters due to Production of Music Difficulties " (Tag: Mobile edit)
  
• 208.163.137.16 (talk · contribs) See here "This Cartoon was officially cancelled out of theaters, mainly because [[Arthur Q. Bryan]] Died before the short could be released in 1959." part of larger edit
  
  •   Both IPs in Tallahassee, Florida [1] [2]

 Looks like a duck to me
So, not only is 'Garrejones44444777' disruptive, they are a sockpuppet and edit warring on multiple pages under different usernames and IPs.
If I should take this list elsewhere like Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations (WP:SPI) I'll do so. --220 of ^Borg 09:54, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

(talk page stalker)SPI does sound like the thing to do. LadyofShalott 12:07, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

I did notice that, and going to SPI and requesting CU is the best thing to do. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 14:20, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

(edit conflict × 2) M'lady (& Drmies) too late I found out there has already been an Edit warring (WP:AN3) case. (and I thought I was sooooo clever) [[File:|25px|link=]] Indefs handed out etc. did no good of course! Several new accounts, new IP and away we go again! (Damned busy page here!) 220 of ^Borg 14:46, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, the joint is jumping (you're trying to edit the section, right, not the whole too-long page?). Yep, SPI will take care of that. Drmies (talk) 14:49, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

Another sock: BugsBunny1958oscarwinner (talk · contribs) Trivialist (talk) 23:15, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

• Not anymore. Thanks. Drmies (talk) 02:25, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

word for anti-gun views

You said in your article talk post that you were not sure if there was a word for your position. Anti-gun covers it somewhat I think;but a word coined by some in the gun world is Hoplophobia although the "fear" part is probably (intentionally) insulting by those that use it, so I think you would probably not self-apply it. Gaijin42 (talk) 14:32, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

• Haha, that sounds way too much like a sexual phobia. The note on it not occurring in the DSM is kind of funny. Hey, I appreciate the reference, and I realize my stance is a total pipe dream. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 14:36, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

• One could entertain a fantasy of chasing Jeff Cooper down the street with a katana, whilst inviting him to invent a word for irrational fear of swords. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 07:14, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

Chambara-phobia, Musashi-phobia or Mifune-phobia ? The last rolls off the tongue well. 220 of ^Borg 09:31, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

• God, now I want to watch Soshi Okita, Burning Corpse of a Sword Master. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 10:56, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

Schools

It's at WP:OUTCOMES#SCHOOLS - you can uncontentiously redirect such articles yourslef, no need to push them thru AfD. ;) Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 22:54, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

• Right on. Thanks Kudpung. I hope you're doing well. Drmies (talk) 23:01, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

I'm fine thanks, but still very busy in RL. I wonder actually how I find time to remain so active here, but I feel compelled... Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 02:20, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

Compelled, huh? A d d i c t i o n . . . Drmies (talk) 02:24, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

• I think that's what we can say about a l l o f u s. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:40, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

• Yeah, I could be driving home right now... OK, I will. I have this under control. I can stop anytime I want. Like right no— Preceding unsigned comment added by Drmies (talk • contribs)

With reference to Yeats infobox removal

Hi Drmies,

I just wanted to apologize for creating that infobox on W. B. Yeat's bio page! I'm obviously a new user to Wikipedia and am still trying to get the hang of properly editing existing articles and creating new ones, and I am also still learning the proper decorum for doing so. I thought it was odd that such a monumental writer would not have an infobox yet, and now I can see that there is an obvious reason for why that is! It was a newbie mistake, and in the future I will be certain to check the talk page of any article I consider making an addition or edit too, as well as endeavor to be more careful with editing articles in general (especially major ones). Thank you for catching my mistake and for fixing it before anyone became too upset over it!

Sincerely,

• Davos, no need to apologize--none whatsoever. The thing is that infoboxes are kind of a hotly disputed item and a consensus was reached recently saying that (if I remember correctly) it's basically up to the main authors of the article. I looked for that discussion last night but couldn't find it before bedtime; one of the talk page stalkers may now. In short, the two opposing sides argued that, pro, infoboxes are really useful for a quick overview and, con, infoboxes are a kind of dumbing down and too often take up too much space. (The two sides may quibble with my off-the-top-of-my-head summary. I'm somewhere in the middle, I suppose.) But the Yeats article is also a Featured Article, and adding (or removing) an infobox is seen as a major change which would require discussion on the talk page, where I encourage you to post a note. Sorry, but you totally unwittingly and in perfect good faith stuck your editing pen in a hornet's nest (not one of my making, I might add.) Thanks for your note and for your edits. Drmies (talk) 14:39, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

Yeah nice one geezer Basket _Feudalist 14:42, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

• What I see is that the boxes are widely liked all over the project, but a few editors are so strongly against them that I was urged not to use the unspeakable word for a few months, which is sad since advanced data base search relies entirely on them, - Mr. Yeats will not be found. For how long? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:55, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

• Not long; merely until Ireland is a land united and free. "lol" Basket _Feudalist 14:57, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

• Gerda, I don't make the rules, I just enforce them. :) Seriously, you know I can't judge the validity of your argument, nor do I want to since you're great and I'm totally on the fence on the topic. I just didn't want our new editor to get into trouble over something they probably were totally unaware of. If they take it up on the talk page, and you are indeed correct, then that infobox will be there shortly, I have no doubt. Drmies (talk) 14:59, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
• BTW, I have no doubt that Yeats will continue to be found, more than 1000 times per day. Drmies (talk) 15:12, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

• As you are one of the many editors reasonable enough to avoid the hornet's nest altogether I should probably leave you alone ;) - However for enlightenment: 1) there are no "rules" against the unspeakable boxes, only essays. 2) I recently performed a similar revert. 3) I was not talking about views for Yeats, but for him showing in advanced queries of DBpedia. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:18, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

• (Davos, Frau Arendt is a well-respected Big Shot Editor around these parts, and well worth listening to.) Where was that infobox discussion, if a discussion it was? Schoene Feierabend, Drmies (talk) 20:21, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

• late, let's see: what discussion do you mean? The war is on since 2005, I was told, I feel like moving in a mine field. One day you see a decent discussion resulting in an infobox for a composer, a few days you try that same thing on Bach: explosion. One day you add one to Schubert's masses (we just sang No. 6, see my user), a few days you try the same thing on Mozart's Sparrow Mass: explosion. - When things got hot in operas, Ched started an arb case which resulted in four editors more or less gone and two restricted, as if we had too many editors. - I survived so far and approved this modest approach in an FAC. - In case you want to sample an enjoyable discussion I suggest Siegfried (opera). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:11, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

• Didn't we just have an RfC or an ArbCom thing or something? Drmies (talk) 22:44, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

• Didn't I just say so, an arb case leaving Wikipedia with four editors gone and two restricted. Only: it was called "infoboxes" but discussed behaviour, the older the more. (Don't look at what someone did last week, look at 2007.) See my talk for the link to the whole kafkaesque thing (look for arbitration or kafkaesque). But Siegfried is more entertaining, promised ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:56, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

Some editors here might like to borrow something from my user page (which I borrowed from someone else). Dougweller (talk) 21:02, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

Nice--thanks. Hey, you don't get a lot of barnstars. Are you sure you're sucking up to the right people? Drmies (talk) 23:13, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

I keep meaning to but never have time. And I don't move the few barnstars I do get on my talk page to my user page anyway. Dougweller (talk) 15:56, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

An expert eye required

When you get a spare moment, please would you take a glance at this and also this. I've placed {{RPA}} on the former as I do not take kindly to being threatened on Wikipedia. In the latter the same user also threatens to have me "blocked". A line has to be draw somewhere and their comments are clear words of attack. Thank you. Wesley Mᴥuse 15:21, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

• "Your hypocricy [sic]" can be considered a personal attack, yes (refrain, אומנות!)--the rest of the two paragraphs, not so much. The threat of having someone blocked, well, one person's threat is another person's warning; I don't think any admin would consider those particular remarks as very offensive (or, alternately, very serious). I don't know what to tell you. I pinged אומנות and will repeat, drop that kind of language please. If you feel you want to make something of it, go to ANI--we don't have an etiquette noticeboard anymore, for better or for worse. Drmies (talk) 15:31, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

• Thanks for looking into that situation, I really appreciate it. I wasn't too sure about the other two paragraphs, which is why I felt seeking a second opinion may be valid in case I was losing the plot. It does dishearten me somewhat that the user is trying to tar me with the brush of WP:FORUMSHOP and "contacting my friends for back up", just because I find comfort in seeking a second opinion on matters like this. After all is it not wise to speak to fellow Wikipedians on matters of this nature, than to go down to the local pub and talk to a bar tender over it? In my opinion, a Wikipedian would have more expert knowledge than someone who has never used Wikipedia in their life. Wesley Mᴥuse 18:21, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

• Sure, but one man's asking for advice is another man's forum shopping, maybe. I don't agree with the "back up" phrasing, but I'd just let that slide and not bother me. Have fun at the pub. I wouldn't mind some shepherd's pie for lunch--and then maybe I'll know what it is. Drmies (talk) 18:25, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

• He obviously hasn't taken heed of your ping. I've just had another onslaught of abuse. I've seriously had enough of that kind of angst from the user, to the point that I have now asked that he refrain from conversing with me until he can learn to be more civil. Wesley Mᴥuse 04:41, 6 October 2013 (UTC)
• And now there's this. It really needs to stop. Wesley Mᴥuse 04:45, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

ANI thread

I don't disagree with you about moving it to a talk page. But Bbb23 asked me not to move it to his or her talk page. And Bbb23 has repeatedly sanctioned people for discussing it on the MRM talk page, so I can't put it there, either. Would you mind if I move it to yours?William Jockusch (talk) 18:06, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

• Ha, yes I mind! This is a happy place, William. With due deference to Bbb23, I hereby give you my blessing to copy to the MRM talk page (I've been "monitoring" there as well), but don't be surprised if there's an avalanche of "heard it all before". Now, I don't believe Bbb has sanctioned anyone for merely discussing something. But discussing something and trolling, wikilawyering, soapboxing, etc are different things: I have no opinion on what has happened and what your account of a past experience vs. his account may be; in other words, I'll take both of you at your word and your good faith. But perhaps Bbb has something to say on the topic--great advantage of his comments is that he's typically brief, as you have noticed. Drmies (talk) 18:15, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
  • Thanks, but I don't want a special blessing from anyone. The topic should be either fair game there, or not. Currently, it isn't, and I don't want to violate that, even with the blessings of an admin. So I've moved it here: [3]William Jockusch (talk) 00:44, 5 October 2013 (UTC)
    • Sure, but that's hardly a high-traffic area. Drmies (talk) 02:17, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

Fancruft

Is this one of the worst cases of fancruft ever seen on Wikipedia? (I've pruned ca. 50k of it since then, but much more to go). - Sitush (talk) 06:52, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

• OK, it's not 50k, but how's this for cruft? Also, I am an idiot. Drmies (talk) 13:29, 5 October 2013 (UTC)
• Holy shit Sitush--that's bad. I see that my old friend CorporateM tried his hand at it once but gave up quickly. Man! Drmies (talk) 13:31, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

• Of course you are an idiot. Only idiots put themselves through RfA. It could be argued that admin status is the idiot's badge of honour ;) - Sitush (talk) 13:38, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

• BTW, it is now ca. 100k removed. - Sitush (talk) 13:39, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

I think I saw someone on Twitter complaining about the Stephen Tompkinson, but the article was so large and the promotion so inter-twined with the encyclopedic content, it would take quite a bit of time to cull through it. The other page about gaming peripherals was much easier. Almost all of it was unsourced or sourced to the company website, so it was easy to delete. CorporateM (Talk) 13:43, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

CorporateM, you have outdone me: I am proud of you, and thanks. Sitush, I'm reorganizing the article, removing individual section headings for individual shows/movies. I may not be able to finish this before my body gives out. Drmies (talk) 13:50, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

CorporateM, Tompkinson has taken me several hours but I'm going to watchlist the thing - no way is that stuff going back in. Drmies, I noticed and have backed off - you have read my mind. - Sitush (talk) 13:52, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

Drmies, that will be $5. I'm not as expensive as you - must be the admin premium ;-) (inside joke)CorporateM (Talk) 13:55, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

• Have you ever considered that maybe you should pay me appropriately because I have a Ph.D.? Granted, it's worth a hell of a lot less than a BS in accounting, but still, I worked for it... Drmies (talk) 13:56, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

• I thought a Ph.D. was BS.--Bbb23 (talk) 15:16, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

• It's worth a lot more than your associate's degree, Bbb. Drmies (talk) 22:45, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

• Tell that to the doofus who bought it on e-Bay for a helluva lot of money. On the other hand, no one has bought my Ph.D. You want a second one?--Bbb23 (talk) 23:01, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

• ... As is the claim that reading books constitutes "work" :P - Sitush (talk) 15:50, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

• Over-qualified. I need spin doctors, not Ph.D.s ;-) CorporateM (Talk) 14:09, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

• What about Dr. Spin? Best of both worlds there. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:03, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

Some while ago I did some editing on the topic of spin on the public relations article. It was interesting, because in the PR profession, we take offense to the term. We think it means lying. However, the generally accepted modern definition basically just means "not being neutral" which isn't really an ethical problem at all. PR pros aren't suppose to be neutral. I wonder if I am accidentally bias on Wikipedia, if that is also spin, or if it must be intentional to warrant such a derogatory term. I've been meaning to chip away at the sub-articles of public relations and have a decent draft of History of public relations up. I might take that one on next when I get a chance. CorporateM (Talk) 01:30, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

• "History of public relations"? You know, I don't think you'd be considered COI there, even by some of the most hardcore people. Nobody says Drmies can't write about the Netherlands, after all. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:12, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

• Ha, I just got done with "De vogels van Holland". Thanks Crisco, but the Netherlands don't pay me for anything I do for them; some people fare much better. Drmies (talk) 04:16, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

• Again with the Twittering, Drmies. Do we need "The Government of the Netherlands on Twitter" for more birds of Holland? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:33, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

• If any of those tweets are from Pleuni Touw, sure. Drmies (talk) 04:35, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

• Pleuni Touw on Twitter... does she even have an account? No idea. She's a Golden Girl now, though, right? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:44, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

• Fuck off, Crisco: that's blasphemy. Next thing you know you're telling me that Brigitte Bardot got old. Any other dreams you want to destroy? Drmies (talk) 05:03, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

• Nah, she's still a young, nubile 80. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:07, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

As long as a certain someone doesn't edit the article on Crisco I think we'll be ok :-p CorporateM (Talk) 05:22, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

I've always thought you should change your user name to CorporateMF. That's right Jack. Drmies (talk) 05:28, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

• I don't even think Crisco is available in Indonesia. I'd just go straight for "Yippee Ki Yay CorporateMF", I think. All names can be made better with Yippee Ki Yay. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:32, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

User:Ultimate notorious editor

I noticed you unblocked this editor after Kww blocked him. [4] However, when I checked him, he shows up as  Confirmed as Buddhakahika (talk · contribs). Could you tell me why you think they aren't related? Thanks! Reaper Eternal (talk) 12:43, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

• Well, that account was not related to Grounelzee except coincidentally, from what I could tell. I have never heard of Buddakahika before, so I have no opinion on the matter. I think Notory and Grounelzee aren't related because they were making very different edits (from the limited contributions I saw): Notory seemed like your typical run-of-the-mill POV editor who can't write English and thinks that Wikipedia is there to set something straight; Grounelzee is just a troll sock of a moderately more intelligent a**hole/LTV. But I say that based on only four edits by Notory. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 13:17, 5 October 2013 (UTC)
  • Hey doc, I didn't see this conversation earlier, but when I saw your earlier unblock I checked Kww's page for any conversation and found the relevant discussion and therefore I'm sure you won't mind that I have now blocked the notorious one as a sock per the SPI findings of Reaper Eternal. cheers. —SpacemanSpiff 13:55, 5 October 2013 (UTC)
    • Spiff, Reaper--I only unblocked him because the block rationale was not valid, in my opinion. I didn't know all this other exciting stuff that you did. Drmies (talk) 14:12, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

Ah, that makes sense. Vgleer (talk · contribs) (a troll) and Buddhakahika (talk · contribs) (a pov-pusher) are definitely  Unrelated. Reaper Eternal (talk) 15:06, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

• I admire your gift for summary, Reaper. Drmies (talk) 04:36, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

You never know. Vgleer may be an incarnation of Buddhakahika. Obviously a CU check could never identify such a relationship. Δρ.Κ. ^{λόγοςπράξις} 00:37, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

I knew there was a reason my spidey-sense told me not to press that unblock button.—Kww(talk) 23:49, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

Lol. It gives a brand new meaning to your friendly neighborhood socks. Δρ.Κ. ^{λόγοςπράξις} 00:37, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Meles (genus), Saint-Vallier, Drôme

Drmies, are you planning to come back to this review of Meles (genus), or should I call for a new reviewer? Please let me know (here or there is fine). Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 18:22, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

• Oops. Drmies (talk) 19:16, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

• Thanks for finishing it. BlueMoonset (talk) 19:57, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

• Sorry. I did look at it a few weeks ago and meant to check if the edits took care of the problem, but didn't. Thanks for the reminder. Drmies (talk) 20:01, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

Need Some Help

Hey Drmies, I went to Dianna earlier for help on a radio station article problem. She helped until she had to sign off for the night, she asked me to come to you for continued help, so I am. All the information you need to know is here on a post on her talk page. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 00:30, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

...and I admit that I have broken 2RR, but only because I think we have moved from an edit conflict to POINTed editing by a user I believe is a sock of a blocked user. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 00:31, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

Well, I have no opinion on the latter comment, about socking. Try it out with an SPI, I'd say. As for the VARTV source, the best thing to do is to get a verdict of some sort from WP:RSN]] (and invite both of your opponents). Let me know if they revert again. Drmies (talk) 01:49, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

I tried to get the socks connected via CU, but too much time has elapsed to make a clear connection. As for the VARTV reference, I will explain that via email. Thanks. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 02:24, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

Gotcha. Thanks. Drmies (talk) 02:31, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

Honda D engine edits

hi. I'm not new on Wikipedia. However, even though I've been making edits for several years now, I still am not at the level others are. Forgive me, I just don't have the time (to learn all the tricks, techniques, or to create a profile, etc).
I've been making good additions to the "Honda D engine" page, specifically three engines which I know very much about: the D15B7, D15B8, and D15Z1. In addition to being a walking book of knowledge on these engines, I own a number of original specimens. Original meaning they came in the car that I bought brand new from the Honda dealer in the mid-1990's. Read this paragraph a few times until it sinks in that I actually know and care about these motors.
Here's the problem: a stubborn Swede, Mr.choppers, who doesn't even own a car(!), keeps removing my additions. He doesn't know anything about the D15B7, D15B8, or D15Z1. He just takes pride in being annoying. Aside from being a d**k, he seems fixated on two things: 1, that I use an "anonymous" IP address and 2, that I don't have any book references. I understand that sometimes vandals use random IP addresses, but it's obvious by my edits that I am no vandal or punk kid. What self-righteous and callous Mr.choppers has a difficult time understanding is that MOST of the D series page is unreferenced. [heh! I wish I made my additions years ago! they'd be taken for truth today.] Well here we are in the 21st century, and unfortunately Mr.choppers has singled me out. He's picking on me. This is called bullying. He could focus his time on real vandals. (or better yet, turning off his computer and walking outside for a while). Instead, he removes my good and true edits. Have a look at his behavior! The guy has no concern for an increase in D series info. He sees himself as a Wiki cop. He's obsessed with the book rules, whereas I'm just concerned with helping the world gain more knowledge on Honda engines, such as the D15B8, for example. It's ironic that you (from NL) and Mr.choppers (from SE) are undoing my edits to an engine ONLY AVAILABLE IN USA. Does anyone see the irony here?
(I should book a flight to Schipol and start undoing additions to van Gogh made by Dutchmen, or additions to Scania made by Swedes!)
Citations? References? Do I look like a librarian?? If you two Europeans REALLY want that, then you must go ALL OUT. Put a [?] mark after every single sentence of each engine. (Won't that look pretty - a little blue question mark everywhere?)
The general populous already knows that Wikipedia may not be 100% correct. It's called the internet! People accept that some things could be inaccurate, but we still use it anyway. Right?
On to my questions: may I ask why you sent me a message reading "Please stop your disruptive editing, as you did at Honda D engine." ? How are my additions disruptive? And why isn't the spotlight focused on Mr.choppers? Is it because he has a [drum roll] Wiki profile? With a "Bhasa Indonesia" translation?? (pfff!). This Mr.choppers guy truly has too much time on his hands, and is damaging the Honda community's available information, that Honda experts like myself contribute to.

For the record, here's what the D15B8 entry looked like before my edits (and how "Mr.stoppers" prefers it):

   Found in:
       1992–1995 Honda Civic CX (U.S. model)
           Displacement : 1,493 cc (91.1 cu in)
           Bore and Stroke : 75 mm × 84.5 mm (3.0 in × 3.33 in)
           Compression : 9.1:1
           Power : 70 hp (52.2 kW, 71.0 PS) at 4,500 rpm
           Torque : 83 lb·ft (11.5 kg/m, 113 Nm) at 2,800 rpm
           Limit : 5,800 rpm
           Valvetrain : SOHC eight-valve (two valves per cylinder)
           Fuel Control : OBD-1 MPFI

and here's what it looks like after my contributions:

   Found in:
       1992–1995 Honda Civic CX (U.S. model)
           Displacement : 1,493 cc (91.1 cu in)
           Bore and Stroke : 75 mm × 84.5 mm (3.0 in × 3.33 in)
           Compression : 9.1:1
           Power : 70 hp (52.2 kW, 71.0 PS) at 4,500 rpm
           Torque : 83 lb·ft (11.5 kg/m, 113 Nm) at 2,800 rpm
           Limit : 5,800 rpm
           Valvetrain : 8-valve SOHC (two valves per cylinder)
           Fuel Control : OBD-1 MPFI
           ECU Code: P05
           Cam Gear: 5-hole, 38-tooth
           Head codes: PM8-1, PM8-2

Which one looks better to you?

Take a day or two before you answer. Think. The spirit of Wikipedia is to help. And I care very much about adding info only when I know it to be true. Is it a crime for me to add a few details to three engines?

Thanks for your time. 24.136.28.106 (talk) 03:54, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

PS. the IP address I'm currently using is shared by at least four working adults, so blocking this address would prohibit myself and those others from potentially helping Wikipedia.

• Eh, well, thanks. Yes. That's an interesting mix of possible expertise and insulting crap. Keep edit warring, keep inserting unverified information, keep insulting other editors, and your IP address will be blocked. Drmies (talk) 04:08, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

Making arguments to support original research and insulting other editors will not win any debates on Wikipedia. However, I note that you mentioned owning the original manuals to the cars these engines are in. Sources do not have to be available online and I would consider such primary sources from the manufacturer acceptable use for specifications, assuming another editor doesn't feel it is overly detailed. CorporateM (Talk) 14:28, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

CorporateM, you must be a sharper reader, or less distracted by the grandstanding. If such manuals can be cited, of course. They're primary sources (if they're from Honda), but that would be perfectly acceptable. The IP does not seem to have noticed that I'm not in the NL (not that it matters); in the interest of full disclosure I'll cop to driving a Camry on the US highways and roads, with a four-cylinder engine, specifications unknown to me. Drmies (talk) 16:59, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

• Ever the peacemaker, I see, Corporate. I swear, if even half of paid editors knew the rules as well as you do, controversy over COI editing would have been finished when there was still an article for every Pokemon species. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:49, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

Experience and Wiki-knowledge help, but in the wrong hands they can make us a more successful POV pusher. Many of the skills required have nothing to do with Wikipedia, but with consulting, screening, etc. It would be nice if more PR agencies had a dedicated expert that knew our rules better than the average bear, but what would remain is the COI itself - they want something different than us and their ability to manage that is all that really matters - knowing the rules helps one do that.

Drmies' issue with Ogilvy is a familiar one. BrightLiners create a burden on the community to review our work, provide feedback and so on. The extent of that burden and the ratio of the burden to the value to our readers is important. I struggle to tread the line myself, because I need so much collaboration from editors on such a large number of articles and I can't take advantage of any single editor's kindness, so I try to spread it out and find editors with a natural interest in the subject. CorporateM (Talk) 01:06, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

The networking here is a great skill to learn; I'm in the same position you're in, needing help from lots of people all the time. Speaking of help, I got to drive the wife's Honda tonight, with its charming V6 (and a working radio!). Nice. Drmies (talk) 02:57, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

komstigheden and futilities

What in the world is komstigheden? Google Translate is failing me, and I want a direct quote from this review of Njai Dasima. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:46, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

• What, no date for the ad in De Indische Courant? Tsk tsk. OK. First things first, the author is "Alb. v[an] H.", right? And look above the image: it's "bijkomstigheden", which one could translate as "incidentals"; that is, random, trivial bits unrelated to the main action, which the review says are not found in the film--a positive mark, therefore. But you have that already in the article, I see: good guess. Drmies (talk) 17:09, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

• D'oh! That explains why nothing was showing up. Thank you, Dr. Dr. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:44, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

User talk:167.206.128.5

There's an intelligent looking request for unblocking there. Letting you know as it was you that blocked the IP this time. Peridon (talk) 17:24, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

• Yep, no one would accuse Mangoeater1000 of not being intelligent. That's why I blocked the IP; see also DoRD's note on an earlier unblock request. So I'm not going to do anything about it, but thanks for the note, Drmies (talk) 17:31, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

Zimmermanh1997 is back...yet again

It is clear from this edit that User:Zimmermanh1997 is back. The IP being used traces back to Walkersville, Maryland, which is where all Zimmermanh1997 edits come from. I believe it might be time for a ban discussion. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 21:32, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

• Go for it, Homer. Drmies (talk) 22:33, 7 October 2013 (UTC)
  • Okie Dokie, I will type one up and post it tomorrow. Take Care...Neutralhomer • Talk • 01:08, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

Going for a Record

I posted this message (which I thought was polite) on User:Nasnema‎'s talk page concerning this revert made with HUGGLE. I got this response. I don't need to look up what "FO" means. While I did leave a snarky reply, it is clear that Nasnema is using HUGGLE waaay too quickly and not owning up to mistakes. Mistakes made while using HUGGLE (like TWINKLE) can cost the person their access to that program. I thought you might have a word with Nasnema about the HUGGLE use and the NPA violation. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 01:26, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

Well you are a liar. Nasnema  Chat  01:27, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

• • Wait--who was called a damned liar here a few days ago? Can't an admin even go to Publix in peace? Crisco 1492, are you on the clock? (And check my recent edits!) Drmies (talk) 01:35, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

• (That was me Beyond My Ken (talk) 03:05, 8 October 2013 (UTC))

• Well, you're in good company, BMK! Drmies (talk) 03:25, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

• • • Sorry Drmies, I just post links to what is going on. Didn't know it would ping your phone. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 01:42, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

• I mentioned you in a post on ANI (concerning the above), which you can find here. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 02:30, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
• @Drmies: Do check your email when you have a free moment (no rush). Thanks. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 03:12, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
  • Sure. Hey, no "ping" went off at the grocery store; I wouldn't know how to have that done anyway. Drmies (talk) 03:20, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
  • Ha, again, no worries. In fact, I had a great time at the store: I chatted with a guy and took his picture (unfortunately it's terrible, and by rights it shouldn't stay up for long...), and then exchanged beers with the guy in the checkout line behind me: he gave me a Newcastle Werewolf, and I gave him a Sweetwater Motorboat. And then I made pumpkin muffins for my youngest daughter to take to school. On top of that, I used an angle grinder for the first time in my life, to cut through an inch of reinforced concrete--you should see that bathroom. What a mess. Drmies (talk) 03:25, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
    • I think you can somehow connect your Watchlist (via RSS) to your email. The RSS feed on your email would "ping" on your phone telling you it had changed. How one would do that is waaaay beyond me. :) Punkin' muffins sound good, I'm a Banana Nut Bread person myself. This bakery in town makes some excellent Banana Nut Bread. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 03:29, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

Not films, but...

Eh, at least it's an English publication. Article, TOC. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 10:00, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

• Here's another--Lilis Suryani. It's going to need a bit of work, obviously, but at least it has one solid reference. Drmies (talk) 17:08, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

• LOL. (Thanks). Jakarta Post has a biography, and I happen to have a free photograph of her I found last month (after this was submitted). — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:38, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

Incomplete DYK nomination

Hello! Your submission of Template:Did you know nominations/Rubberen Robbie at the Did You Know nominations page is not complete; see step 3 of the nomination procedure. If you do not want to continue with the nomination, tag the nomination page with {{db-g7}}, or ask a DYK admin. Thank you. DYKHousekeepingBot (talk) 12:17, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

Remington Arms

Hey. So I also just undid a number of revisions on the Remington Arms page that removed links. I nominated the page for protection WP:RFPP. If you want to second the nomination it might help? Thanks! --Zackmann08 (talk) 16:31, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

• No, that's way too soon. I left a message for the user; let's talk first and shoot later. Drmies (talk) 16:37, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

This is on a topic I know nothing about ...

Someone pointed on my talkpage to Synthesizers.com, whose creator's name is identical with the company owner, and which has no independent sources ... all I have found so far is this, and I don't know whether that's a reliable source, or where to look for any that might be more obviously reliable. Pretty article, got reviewed in 2011, my question is do I tag it as possibly non-notable, AfD it, or can some more knowledgeable person identify a couple of refs to add so we can keep it? Yngvadottir (talk) 23:24, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

• Did you just guess that I owned a Moog and a Korg in the 1980s? Drmies (talk) 23:56, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
  • My studio (16-track, 2") had a Mini-moog, a Korg something or other, and two DX-7s, as well as (later) some rack-mounted synths. I think the coolest synth, though, was one I never had, the Buchla system used by Morton Subotnik. Beyond My Ken (talk) 04:54, 9 October 2013 (UTC)
    • You know they're making the Korg MS-20 again? My brother should still have our old one, somewhere. You had two DX-7s?? Holy shit! And a Mini-Moog...you know you missed my birthday, but I accept a late present. If it's the Mini. (The old one, or the programmable version?) Drmies (talk) 15:59, 9 October 2013 (UTC)
    • After looking through a bunch of photos, I'm pretty sure it was a Korg M1. Beyond My Ken (talk) 09:45, 9 October 2013 (UTC)
• Wow--did you see those pictures? Looks like the old Moog modular systems! Quick, somebody play me some Emerson, Lake & Palmer. Dzaw, dzew dzew dzeeeuw... Drmies (talk) 23:58, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
• Well, it's tough. He might be notable by hisself. I sure want one of those cabinets though. I can't find more than I already have. I'm sure there's more on dedicated websites/zines, but separating the wheat from the chaff might be hard. Perhaps searching model by model is the way to go. But right now, I'd say send it to AfD (or forget all about it...) and maybe some synth geek will dig up some stuff? Cool, though--lots of companies are making clones of old machines. There's a copy of Sequential Circuits' Prophet 5 out, for $5000 I think, and Moog is again building MiniMoogs, in all kinds of versions. Anyone up for remaking the Oberheim? One that doesn't detune or break down constantly? I think Eddie Van H. is in the market. Jump! Drmies (talk) 01:03, 9 October 2013 (UTC)
  • I had the impression you knew something about this stuff :-) That's what the forum posts are all saying - that this is good recreation of vintage tech. I hope we can keep this article; I'll drag my feet in case any talkpage stalkers can dig anything up. Meanwhile you could try messaging the editor about his product line '-) Yngvadottir (talk) 01:06, 9 October 2013 (UTC) ... like y'all have started doing. Good :-) Yngvadottir (talk) 01:09, 9 October 2013 (UTC)
    • Now I understand: you are referring to my cleanup, I suppose--if so, and you're using y'all as a singular, you're making the same mistake as Christopher Hitchens did. Plural only! He mentions "all y'all" as the plural, but that "all" is nothing more than the addition of a kind of emphasis. Drmies (talk) 03:55, 9 October 2013 (UTC)
      • You and GoingBatty, though so far only you have added sources. I'm in a hopeful mood. Yngvadottir (talk) 04:10, 9 October 2013 (UTC)
        • Good. You're in the clear. Hitchens is not. Drmies (talk) 04:27, 9 October 2013 (UTC)
• I've just dusted down my Yamaha S80 synthesiser, which has a really good church organ setting. Wish to God I could play the bloody thing though. Really must knuckle down to it rather than wasting my time on WP. Eric Corbett 17:38, 9 October 2013 (UTC)
  • Wow--we should start a band. Rosie will come and play it for you. Sippi plays it even worse, but she'll sing (something about her loving the world) at the same time. I had two extra girls this morning to drop off at school; you wouldn't believe how much noise four girls, one microphone, a keyboard, a detuned guitar, and eight feet can make. Our cheap-ass Casio keyboard has a "learn how to play" thing, with a tiny LCD screen indicating the fingering--but I can't read it with my old eyes, and if I could, it's too fast for me. Drmies (talk) 17:44, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

    I've always wanted to be able to play just one piece really well, maybe something by Chopin. That's surely not too much to ask. Eric Corbett 17:56, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

• Right! I've always wanted to sing like John Hyatt. I once said to a girlfriend that I'd give my left arm for that skill, and she scoffed at me--but then, she was a singer and knew that it wasn't hollow gestures and statements but hard work that can make someone a singer. Drmies (talk) 17:59, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Rubberen Robbie

The DYK project (nominate) 09:23, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

Ref Desk ANI

Drmies, I have a lot of thoughts about the recent ANI obviously. For the sake of both our times and energies I'll leave it at:

• "Just because we're online and unpaid doesn't mean we can behave badly to each other...In fact, there's pretty much nowhere where people working together to do something good are allowed to get into...name-calling. The same applies here, too."
• "Someone may very well be an idiot. But telling them so is neither going to increase their intelligence nor improve your ability to communicate with them."

I did re-read my posts. My biggest fear was that the 4 diffs would multiply & be lost in a wave of confusing/cross current diffs as I'm left hanging there at a dynamically updating Refdesk. If I was muddled in that concern my apologies but if you re-read that whole ANI thread I took a lot of your responses as compounding the GLing in an UNCIVIL manner. I understand that at ANI I'm just another number & most concerns are loose, jovial & informal but that kind of response to a concern like mine could be construed as cruel, & was inaccurate (the whole point of an OP that starts a GL). At the refdesk: "We should in all cases strive to exceed the minimum standard of civility", the OPs contributions were obviously causing me several concerns with this. My intent is not to bog down in this matter I felt justified in bringing this to ANI but you have taught me some relevant things I will keep in mind in the future. My sincere hope is that we both can revise that ANI in the spirit of: *Asking yourself "How would I feel if someone said that to me?" is often not enough, many people can just brush things off, and it's water off a duck's back. To get a better perspective, ask yourself:

• "How would I feel if someone said that to someone I love who can't just "brush it off?" If you'd find that unacceptable, then don't say it. And, if you've already said it, strike it and apologise." ^{Market St.⧏} _{⧐ Diamond Way} 10:59, 9 October 2013 (UTC)
• I saw no incivility on the part of your opponent. Drmies (talk) 15:57, 9 October 2013 (UTC)
  • "Opponent"?? . . . "saw no" (100% doesn't usually happen in human relations), I could say what needs to be said here but really the IP diffs & my posts above & our ANI interaction already do a searing job of it, nothing left to say. ^{Market St.⧏} _{⧐ Diamond Way} 19:25, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

Endpoint (Band) page removal

Hello,

It was brought to our attention that an editor removed the entire history of the band Endpoint from it's page. The page was created by a well respected music journalist, Ryan Downey. It now reads like the band recorded a demo in 1987 and then vanished. However, it lists a number of releases after 1987, which looks very strange.

Endpoint was a band that has a well documented political and musical history. There are several books published with chapters dedicated to the history of the band, magazine articles, and websites with information regarding the band's past.

Thank you in advance for your time and consideration in this matter.