Talk:Doge (meme)

Origin

Article says it (debatable) started on Tumblr. Pictures of dogs with the "wow x, such x, much x, very x" theme have been posted on 4chan for years. No way in hell did it start on Tumblr. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.185.27.207 (talk) 13:49, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

Here's a much detailed article about Doge.—CycloneIsaac–E-Mail 15:58, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

"Doge" is the Japanese pronunciation for the English word: "dog". It is written in katakana as ドグ (pronounced: DoGe). This origin would seem to be much more likely, since it predates all uses of the meme. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.163.20.250 (talk) 21:45, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

Isn't it doggu (ドッグ)? JosJuice (talk) 07:42, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

dogu (ドグ) is DoGu, not DoGe. Plus, the Japanese pronunciation of "dog" is not "Doge" 182.252.156.76 (talk) 15:08, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

Contested deletion

This article should not be speedily deleted for lack of asserted importance because it is about a meme — Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.167.120.12 (talk) 04:28, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

It also seems that the only people who want this merged/deleted are simply people who hate it as a meme. I've never seen an article be scheduled for deletion so quickly. --ZeroShootman (talk) 03:33, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

Sadly there has always been an unyielding core of socially crippled curmudgeons on wikipedia who are militantly opposed to anything they perceive as legitimizing internet culture. Click their edit history and you'll often see that they'll happily expend hundreds of hours adding to articles on obscure Warhammer products or Star Wars novels, but internet memes that have been covered by the New Yorker, Salon, Huffington Post, and the Wall Street Journal are ruining their life by having wikipedia articles. Watch, they'll probably delete my comment just for pointing out this fact. 76.118.92.242 (talk) 18:41, 16 December 2013 (UTC)

This toss completely fails WP:NOTABLE. Nobody will care about this in 6 month's time, or even remember it. When people refer to this as 'internet culture' I lose the will to live. --Ef80 (talk) 21:51, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

Quite possibly – but part of our role is to remember it for them, wholesale. Notability isn't transitory and if it made it once, it's within our encyclopedic remit to record it. All your base, Hamster dance and Westboro baptist church are all part of this.

Also, if dogecoin were to become significant, then doge becomes backstory. Andy Dingley (talk) 12:51, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

@Ef80:, may I suggest reading WP:NOTTEMPORARY? ZappaOMati 22:46, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

I take the point, but I still think this is transitory trivia. --Ef80 (talk) 13:56, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

I agree, it should be deleted. It is extremely trivial and wont mean a thing in a few years. I hadn't heard of it until I saw it on the front page. Also, it might have loads of references, but the references are very much of that time and most of them are buzzfeed or fluff pieces to attract views to the page. These type of articles don't hold any real world importance. Saying the meme was sent round the internet virally in reference to Weird Al's song about bad grammar shouldn't have an article Novalia (talk) 10:00, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

Keep in mind that notability is not temporary, and just because you never heard of it doesn't mean it should be deleted. Zappa24Mati 21:47, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

• That, and people have been demanding its deletion simply because they don't like it for 18 months now. Novalia, just because you don't like memes doesn't make them non-notable. Doge is clearly notable, and anyone saying otherwise is, at best, willfully blind. Granted, it's faded away now, but that's hardly uncommon. The article survived every attempt at deletion simply due to its notability. Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 21:57, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

• Doge has now faded into such obscurity that it is being used in a safety video for an international airline. [1] It's pretty clear that it passes notability. '''tAD''' (talk) 15:40, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

Doge picture

The picture used in the article originates from this blog: http://kabosu112.exblog.jp/9944144/ Though cropped and manipulated to make the dog look fatter. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.113.189.110 (talk) 12:29, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

It's an image on commons. Perhaps you should alert them. Dlohcierekim 13:36, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

At the time of the original post, there was a different image there than we have "now". DMacks (talk) 17:22, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

This should be added to the article Shiba Inu, and not be its own article. Hotelmason241 (talk) 04:41, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

Except this page would be simply too trivial to be mentioned on the page. ZappaOMati 02:01, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

Why was the original image deleted? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.67.165.148 (talk) 10:33, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

Doge Meme

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:A60:120D:E01:4DAD:C5D1:AD1A:E2A6 (talk) 16:18, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

Seriously

Seriously Wikipedia, there are places for articles like this. There's Know your meme and/or Encyclopedia Dramatica. This meme isn't even relevant, this page is here just to be 'phat' with the stupid 12-years-old kids. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 181.163.250.99 (talk) 04:39, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

Seriously Anonymous, Popular memes are cultural phenomena that deserve coverage in its own merit. Now, had I knew that KnowYourMeme is here to stay I would have to agree with you, but this is not the case. As for "Encyclopedia Dramatice", although an internet phenomenon itself, it can not be assumed to be serious on any sane level. Zarnivop (talk) 08:57, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

If you think that this isn't notable, then try WP:AFD and see how it goes. I note that there are {{merge}} and {{notability}} tags, so you are apparently not the only one who questions whether this is notable or not. --Stefan2 (talk) 21:49, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

Wouldn't a WP:PROD be more reasonable first? ZappaOMati 21:55, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

WP:PROD is not useful if people are opposing deletion (as User:Zarnivop seems to do) as someone simply will remove the "PROD" template. --Stefan2 (talk) 20:55, 8 December 2013 (UTC)

Pronunciation

What reference is there for the pronunciation? Just the Homestar Runner video? What may seem like a non-issue to the author of this wiki page is something hotly contested elsewhere on the internet and really isn't conclusive. For example, in a reddit thread from the beginning of December (http://www.reddit.com/r/doge/comments/1rnc8x/wow_such_confused_much_pronunciation_wow/) as of this second the top comment has 91 upvotes for dogue and the second-top has 83 for dohj. Also, a survey from this slate article (http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/2013/11/15/doge_pronunciation_how_do_you_pronounce_the_name_of_the_shibe_doge_meme.html) from the middle of November has dohj in the lead with ~36% of the vote and dogue in second with ~34%. This goes to show that the pronunciation is not unambiguous and there should be some discretion in the description. Especially considering that this is a page for informational purposes it would be noteworthy that the pronunciation is really a fluid and non-standard thing. As John Simpson, the chief editor of the Oxford English Dictionary said, "A coiner effectively loses control of a word once it's out there." "For instance, the coiner of quark in the physics sense had intended it to rhyme with cork, but general usage has resulted in it rhyming with mark." So regardless of the supposed origin of the word used in this meme, which also is not entirely certain, credence should be given to divergent and perhaps even predominant alternate pronunciations that are prevalent on the internet. BJ Crowning (talk) 20:49, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

Please note that The spelling of doge has several variants, leading to debate on its actual pronunciation. is written in the article, with 2 references. Soulbust (talk) 10:30, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

I made the post on Tumblr which forms the popular basis of the meme back in 2012 and I got it from the Homestar video so I will tell anyone that it's dohj but like... due to Tumblr's absurd mutability of attribution and the fact that my friend Max holds the "leonsumbitches" URL that was associated with the post it's kind of a moot point. Something as widespread and surprisingly multi-faceted will never have agreement on something like this -Mattgcn (talk) 06:34, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

Since this article is semi-protected, I will ask in this discussion if my concern for Doge pronunciation is shared by any senior members. The very first line of this page already states the controversy behind the pronunciation of this word, so in the interest of addressing the controversy, I propose we create a subsection for this meme entitled "Pronunciation" where we can list the difference in pronunciation by region and tidy this article up a bit:

North America:

The pronounciation of the word "Doge" is typically pronounced /ˈdoʊdʒ/ dohj or /ˈdoʊɡ/ dohg in North America, and less commonly /ˈdɒɡi/ dog-ee, /ˈdɒɡeɪ/ dog-ay, /ˈdoʊɡeɪ/ dohg-ay, /ˈdɒɡ/ dog, or /'doʊʒ/ dohge (like beige). The origin of the misspelled meme traces back to an episode of Homestar Runner where Strong Bad pronounces Doge /ˈdoʊdʒ/ dohj. Despite the origins, the contemporary usage of Doge still varies, typically pronounced either /ˈdoʊɡ/ dohg as the "Do" in "Dough" and "gue" in "Vogue", or alternatively /ˈdoʊdʒ/ dohj as the "Doj" in "Dojo". Similarly, the pronunciation of "Dogecoin" follows the same variation found in either /ˈdoʊdʒ/ dohj or /ˈdoʊɡ/ dohg. Pa7iCake (talk) 05:14, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

Declared top meme for 2013

The article states 'On December 13, Doge was declared Know Your Meme's "top meme for 2013" by NBC News.' It was declared top meme by KYM editors, not by NBC news, NBC merely wrote an article about KYM's choice.. Citation shouldn't be NBC either, it should be the KYM top memes article. http://knowyourmeme.com/blog/meme-review/best-memes-of-2013-editorial-choices — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.183.3.222 (talk)

I added that NBC source, because it is secondary. After reading the article, I checked KYM, which stated that the entry for Doge had been deadpooled or the submission was not ready, or some such. This meme is widely used, and even the old media are captivated by it, with some outlets claiming that Doge-speak is the new lolcat-speak. Westin D^odger 20:59, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

A story of the doge dog.

http://www.theverge.com/2013/12/31/5248762/doge-meme-rescue-dog-wow

This will be very useful. ViperSnake151  Talk  23:14, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

Already posted above.—CycloneIsaac–E-Mail 23:28, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

I was being serious

Really, why give this an article when there are thousands of other maymays out there that entire novels could be written about? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.220.2.155 (talk) 02:18, 15 January 2014 (UTC)

WP:Other stuff exists, that's why. ZappaOMati 03:53, 15 January 2014 (UTC)

• When someone is calling a meme "maymays", you know they're trolling. A shame the protection guidelines frowns on indefinite talkpage protection... Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 07:54, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

• Well, Talk:Justin Bieber is the only page that I know of that's indef semi, though the talk page vandalism there is even more ridiculous. ZappaOMati 14:37, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

delete this pleease

not notable — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:7:5380:664:E4A6:3A64:7F28:48B8 (talk) 08:36, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

Really? Doge is well notable enough to have its own article, like other famous memes. ~WikiRigby ^talk _sign! 13:16, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

Are you seeing a lack of references? Not enough real-world impact? If so, you can still offer your ideas here on the talk page even though the article itself is seme-protected. Supernerd11 :D Firemind ^_^ Pokedex 13:20, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

Doge Car

The Nascar dogecoin car seems like a significant development that ought to be added to the article71.50.0.71 (talk) 21:46, 29 April 2014 (UTC), just putting that out there.

It's already on Dogecoin, which seems like a better place to mention it. ZappaOMati 22:30, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

really

why is this actually a page? 11-22-2014 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.149.51.77 (talk) 04:51, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

Why not? Zappa24Mati 05:05, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Doge (meme)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Freikorp (talk · contribs) 04:24, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

I will review later today. Freikorp (talk) 04:24, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

1. Is it reasonably well written?

   A. Prose is "clear and concise", without copyvios, or spelling and grammar errors:

   B. MoS compliance for lead, layout, words to watch, fiction, and lists:

2. Is it factually accurate and verifiable?

   A. Has an appropriate reference section:

   Half the references use 'publisher' and the other half use 'work'. Also why are some work/publishers wikilinked and others not? Consistency is needed at both of these points.

The ones which have such pages are now wikilinked '''tAD''' (talk) 07:03, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

1. B. Citation to reliable sources where necessary:

   Keith Wagstaff reference is dead. Find a mirror or an archive.

Done '''tAD''' (talk) 07:07, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

1. Sato, Atsuko source may not back up that this is where the female Shiba Inu was first pictured, or where the images are taken from, rather it just seems to be the actual first post itself (which may not confirm that it itself is the origin), please confirm.

Links within reliable sources confirm this is the real "doge", but this blog itself is better as an external link

1. What makes The Bark Post a reliable source?

Nothing. The point it was "proving" in the lead is backed up in the body by better sources, thus I removed it

1. C. No original research:

   Google trends data should have a non-primary source. 'The Bark Post' source backs it up, but i'm still looking into whether or not that source meets WP:RS.

Source replaced '''tAD''' (talk) 07:38, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

1. Is it broad in its coverage?

   A. Major aspects:

   B. Focused:

2. Is it neutral?

   Fair representation without bias:

3. Is it stable?

   No edit wars, etc:

4. Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?

   A. Images are tagged with their copyright status, and valid fair use rationales are provided for non-free content:

   B. Images are provided if possible and are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions:

5. Overall:

   Pass or Fail:

Placing on hold until issues are addressed. I made several minor fixes; feel free to revert and instead discuss the changes with me. Freikorp (talk) 06:21, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

Well done. I'm passing this now. Freikorp (talk) 07:49, 3 April 2015 (UTC)