Talk:Kim Davis

Requested move 21 October 2015

Bumping thread for 14 days. Safiel (talk) 19:09, 27 November 2015 (UTC)

• Comment This thread would otherwise archive tomorrow, so placing a bump tag to stop it from archiving until the move review is complete. Safiel (talk) 03:49, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
• Comment Previously bump template would have expired today and move review is still ongoing, so removing previous template and rebumping for 14 days. Safiel (talk) 19:09, 27 November 2015 (UTC)

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: No consensus - after 6 days of inactivity on this discussion and a clear division in application of policy, there is no indication we'll be able to find consensus any time soon on this issue. (non-admin closure) Tiggerjay (talk) 22:29, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

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• Kim Davis (county clerk) → Kim Davis
• Kim Davis → Kim Davis (disambiguation)

– Per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. There are two other uses of Kim Davis on Wikipedia.

• Kim Davis (Canadian singer) is typically viewed under 200 times per month. 121 in June, 164 in July, 165 in August
• Kim Davis (ice hockey) is visited even less often - about once per month until this Kim Davis, the county clerk, hit the news 1 in August 241 in September.

There is no comparison. This Kim Davis article got over 300,000 views in September, and thus clearly meets the PRIMARYTOPIC criteria: "highly likely — much more likely than any other topic, and more likely than all the other topics combined — to be the topic sought when a reader searches for" Kim Davis. Granted the number of views are likely to subside in the future, but we don't have a WP:CRYSTALBALL, neither of the other uses has ever come close to this amount of notoriety, and the criteria is likely to apply for a long time into the future, if not forever. There is certainly no justification for disambiguating this title at this time. Some may argue that the parenthetic description is necessary for WP:PRECISION, but, again, this is exactly the type of situation where PRIMARYTOPIC applies. В²C ☎ 20:50, 21 October 2015 (UTC) Updated to be a multi-move to reflect move of dab page too В²C ☎ 23:37, 21 October 2015 (UTC)

• Support per request. I agree there's no question about this subject's international notoriety. This is the Kim Davis now. Stevie is the man! ^{Talk • Work} 20:56, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
• oppose as this is still a WP:PSEUDObiography of a controversy masquerading as a "biography" and the primary topic is still the controversy, not the person. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 21:02, 21 October 2015 (UTC)

• TRPoD, I totally understand and share your POV on this mess, but try to focus on the issue at hand. The current title is clumsy and unnecessary. She is the primary Kim Davis and we should simplify the title. That's the ONLY issue in this RfC, so please !vote on that issue. Anyone closing this would be justified in discounting your !vote, so please change it or provide a better reason. -- {{u|BullRangifer}} {Talk} 15:29, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

• Strong oppose per TheRedPenOfDoom. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 21:05, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
  • TheRedPenOfDoom and Winkelvi, after multiple AfDs and RM failures, that ship has sailed. Per WP:CONSENSUS developed at those discussions, this is a bonafide biography article, and, if I may add, far more encyclopedic than many, many other biography articles on WP, including the two other Kim Davises I listed in the nom. --В²C ☎ 21:10, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
    • read the close. there was no consensus to remain here, it is just here by default. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 21:11, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
      • Two wiki-wide AfD's were snow keep's. Stevie is the man! ^{Talk • Work} 21:18, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
        • your tendentious misrepresentation of the AfD is getting more than a little old. "The result was Snow keep, please request moves at WP:RM not WP:AFD" and "The result was Procedural close as merge We have an RfC recently closed as supporting one single article, the content of this, Kim Davis (county clerk) and Miller v. Davis need to be merged to a single article and an appropriate title chosen". per the close of the AfDs, the content is appropriate, but under what name is under discussion. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 21:22, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
          • I just stated a fact. Stevie is the man! ^{Talk • Work} 21:45, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
            • no, you stated a partial fact, omitting critical context, that you were well aware of given that your similar misrepresentation in the previous move discussion was pointed out to you then, as well. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 22:29, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
              • I think we can all agree that there there is no consensus for NOT having a Kim Davis biography. And, there is no consensus to change the title to reflect the event one way or another. So we're stuck with the status quo, which is a disambiguated biographical title. Therefore, the question before us is only whether we should retain the current title with the parenthetical disambiguation, or move it as proposed to remove the disambiguation. Either title is consistent with a biography title. The only question is about the disambiguation. --В²C ☎ 01:52, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
                • WV, I totally understand and share your POV on this mess, but try to focus on the issue at hand. The current title is clumsy and unnecessary. She is the primary Kim Davis and we should simplify the title. That's the ONLY issue in this RfC, so please !vote on that issue. Anyone closing this would be justified in discounting your !vote, so please change it or provide a better reason. -- {{u|BullRangifer}} {Talk} 15:29, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

BullRangifer, it is really inappropriate for you to tell editors who have !voted the way they see fit to change their !vote, or their opinion will be discounted. How is it you have a way of seeing into the mind(s) of the individual who ends up closing this RfC? -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 17:00, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

• Comment To be a little magnanimous here, it's possibly too soon after other battles, with the nerves of many rubbed raw. Having a healthy delay before this request might have been the best idea. Stevie is the man! ^{Talk • Work} 21:20, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
  • Understood, and I considered that, but WP is not a WP:BATTLEGROUND. Let's treat it, and each other, accordingly. In other words, let's focus on the merits or problems with this proposal. --В²C ☎ 21:24, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
    • Hear, hear. We shouldn't use this discussion as a platform for re-arguing whether the article should be deleted or whether it should become a controversy article. The question is, does making this the page that readers land on when searching for our Kim Davis improve the encyclopedia, or not.- MrX 21:43, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
    • Wikipedians are human beings, and whether or not the wiki-legalisms fit, there have been emotionally scarring battles-a-plenty here. It would have been within reason to wait a while, especially because there's no discernible damage from retaining the current name for a while. Stevie is the man! ^{Talk • Work} 21:48, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
• Most Supreme Support™ per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC and the data presented by nominator. Not only have our readers indicated that they continue to seek this biography, but there are strong indications that Kim Davis has already left a small, but lasting, impression in the historical record. - MrX 21:37, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
• Comment: Please note that this is a malformed multimove request, as the suggested destination name is already occupied. —BarrelProof (talk) 23:21, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
  • Thanks. Fixed. --В²C ☎ 23:37, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
• Support, as nom. Opposition based on WP:PSEUDO is irrelevant here, as the biographical nature of this article would not be affected in the slightest by this proposed move, and repeated discussions have shown there is no consensus to delete or transform this article content or title based on PSEUDO anyway. With respect to the title, then, we have the quintessential PRIMARYTOPIC situation. --В²C ☎ 05:21, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
• Support. She is obviously the most notable Kim Davis. -- {{u|BullRangifer}} {Talk} 06:10, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
• Support, clearly the primary topic. Even if there were only an article on the controversy, "Kim Davis" should redirect to it with a hatnote to the dab page. —Xezbeth (talk) 09:06, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
• Oppose basically per TRPoD. A biography on Kim Davis the county clerk should be the primary topic for Kim Davis, but this article is still not a biography on Kim Davis, it's an event article about a controversy she was involved in. It should be either fundamentally rewritten or appropriately renamed. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 14:17, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

• Ivanvector, I totally understand and share your POV on this mess, but try to focus on the issue at hand. The current title is clumsy and unnecessary. She is the primary Kim Davis and we should simplify the title. That's the ONLY issue in this RfC, so please !vote on that issue. Anyone closing this would be justified in discounting your !vote, so please change it or provide a better reason. -- {{u|BullRangifer}} {Talk} 15:29, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

• @BullRangifer: there is no need whatsoever for you to post this same notice after everyone who writes an opposition to this move request; your badgering is not helpful to the discussion at all. I understand very well what the proposal here is, I assume that everyone else who's commenting here does as well, and I trust that any neutral closer will read what I wrote and understand my point; I really could not have given it more clearly. As such, I have no further elaboration to give. Thank you. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 16:11, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
  • Ivanvector, if I understand you correctly, what you're saying is that in order for the proposed title (undisambiguated Kim Davis) to be appropriate for this article, then the article must first be "fundamentally rewritten" (to be more of a biography than an event article). I disagree with you about this article not being biographical as it is (it just happens to also cover the event for which she is most notable, which is not unusual and certainly not inappropriate for WP biographies, but I digress), though of course there is room for improvement (but that's par for the WP article course). That disagreement aside, doesn't your objection apply to the current (disambiguated) title just as much as to the proposed (undisambiguated) title? After all, the disambiguation is typical biographical disambiguation - noting the subject's occupation - and has nothing to do with the event. So while your objection is clearly stated, its applicability to this proposal is not. At least not to me. Are you simply trying to hold the current title hostage, so to speak, even though you recognize its incongruity with PRIMARYTOPIC, to inspire (shall we say) the building of consensus to change the content? In general do you support moratoriums on title changes when one dislikes article content? Is there any policy basis for such a practice? Perhaps you could expound on that? --В²C ☎ 16:59, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

• Happily. Regarding my objection, yes it does apply equally to the current title; I had expressed that in a now-archived thread. I don't at the moment support a moratorium on anything, for Wikipedia is nothing without discussion and continuous improvement. What I continue to support is that per WP:TITLE a page's title should as precisely as necessary (but no more precisely) describe its content. To extend that, I see no reason why this article should be preemptively titled according to what its content should be when its current content is a (slightly) different encyclopedic topic. So my argument is twofold: 1) if this is a biographical article about county clerk Kim Davis, who I agree is the most notable of the Kim Davises we have articles about, then its title should be Kim Davis; concurrently 2) if this is an article about a notable event which involved this person (no matter how primarily) then its title should be one which describes the event. At the moment I believe 2 is much more true than 1, thus my !vote above. Does this help? Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 17:15, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

• Support, per primary topic. Yesterday when I saw this proposal, I went into the Kim Davis disambiguation page and improved it; take a look. Unrelated side note: I don't think we're ever going to resolve whether this should be titled as a biography or as an event; the last discussion closed as no consensus. Anyone objective should be able to see that this article has a little of both, and that's fine. Anyway, her controversy is dying down and this is a harmless improvement. Prhartcom (talk) 17:45, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

*Oppose, now drop the stick — This situation on Wikipedia is just getting childish. We already just finished a RM discussion, and now we are opening another one? Can't we just drop the stick and do something more productive than fight over the name of the article? I am new here, so please excuse me for sounding rude, but I think there is bigger issues we face here on Wikipedia. I oppose moving this page per TheRedPenOfDoom. Thank ya'all. IntelligenceAgent (talk) 21:40, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

• • Some of us are trying to align the title of this article with policy (specifically WP:PRIMARYTOPIC). We are not fighting. We have no sticks. If anyone is fighting, it is those who oppose this effort, with arguments that are not even relevant to this proposal. --В²C ☎ 23:32, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

• Strong oppose WP:RECENTISM this is verging on being still being news. We should wait to see what kind of long term popularity she has, since you're basing it on accesses. So, wait a year or two. -- 70.51.44.60 (talk) 07:14, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
  • 70.51.44.60 (talk · contribs · WHOIS), the subject of this article is clearly the primary topic today. It certainly can be revisited in two years, but why wait two years before remedying an obvious problem today, especially given the very low notability of the other uses of "Kim Davis" making it highly unlikely that she will no longer be the primary topic ten, let alone two, years from now? --В²C ☎ 17:37, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
    • WP:NOTNEWS Wikipedia is not a newspaper. This nomination is based solely on accesses, which is a RECENTISM issue. Waiting a year, or two, will see if there is any enduring access-levels. In a year, we can also more rationally analyze whether this is a WP:BLP1E person, since it will no longer be a news event. We don't flip-flop articles around based on temporal spikes in activity in other article names, so I don't see why we should start here. It's just like when new movie releases happen and people want to move the new movie to the base name. We should wait and see if the temporary spike in activity leads to a permanently higher level of activity. -- 70.51.44.60 (talk) 06:39, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

• Oppose basically per the IP above. The 300k figures have already dropped off sharply - in the past 30 days, this article has been viewed around 136k times, and has since flatlined under 2k views per day. Sure, that's still significantly more than the other two, but let's see if page views are still even that high in 6 months. Let's not play musical chairs with article titles, please. Parsecboy (talk) 12:37, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

::Thank you for your common sense Parsecboy. IntelligenceAgent (talk) 04:35, 24 October 2015 (UTC)

Common sense would suggest we look at not only views (where this Kim Davis continues to beat the others), but also media coverage differences between the Kim Davis's. Have the others ever gotten the kind of heavy international coverage this Kim Davis has received? Highly unlikely. Do others have a chance of ever coming close to the coverage this Kim Davis has received? We don't know, but it doesn't seem likely. It's not the worst thing in the world to wait before renaming this article (one could even call this RM kind of a trivial pursuit), but I think common sense suggests it will be very difficult for another Kim Davis to reach this level of fame/infamy. Stevie is the man! ^{Talk • Work} 04:59, 24 October 2015 (UTC)

You're looking at it the wrong way, Stevie - the question is not whether the other Kim Davises will rise to the level of this one, but whether this Kim Davis will recede back into obscurity. I would argue that is essentially a certainty. The news cycle has already moved on and people have lost interest, and page views are already reflecting that. Parsecboy (talk) 18:17, 25 October 2015 (UTC)

Parsecboy, are you seriously suggesting that it's likely that this Kim Davis will no longer be "highly likely — much more likely than any other topic, and more likely than all the other topics combined — ... the topic sought when a reader searches for [Kim Davis]" in six months? --В²C ☎ 17:37, 25 October 2015 (UTC)

Yes, that's exactly what I'm suggesting. The media cycle has already moved on, and barring any further incident (which appears unlikely at this point), I doubt many people at all will be typing "Kim Davis" into the search bar. As I said, page views have fallen off a cliff, and will only continue to decline precipitously. Parsecboy (talk) 18:17, 25 October 2015 (UTC)

This statement is absolutely correct. I have stated many times on these pages that the controversy is over and it won't be long now before Kim Davis is as forgotten as Joe the Plumber (about 200 page views per day). I still support the rename per primary topic and because it doesn't do any harm; I'm proud of the article; but let's hear no statements about how wonderfully popular this Kim Davis is. Prhartcom (talk) 19:03, 25 October 2015 (UTC)

Even though I am happy to state that the two editors above are correct when they inform us that Davis' future popularity looks bleak, their popularity argument missed something: Davis' future bleak popularity is still likely to be more than the popularity of the other Kim Davis'. Those others each have daily page views of approximately 20, whereas this one will probably drop to around 200, so "that's still significantly more than the other two" and even the other seven; this one is likely to remain at least ten times more popular and be the primary topic for the foreseeable future. Couple that with the lack of harm this rename would do (there will still be a disambiguation page and it will be linked from a hatnote at the top of this article) and you have no good reason to object to this, certainly not for the reason they give. No, we're not going to "wait and year or two" and we're not "playing musical chairs", we are being reasonable, logical, and sensible. Prhartcom (talk) 19:43, 25 October 2015 (UTC)

Exactly. Not to mention that Joe the Plumber did not have anything to do with any consequential legal issues. Kim Davis' actions clarified the meaning of a particular Supreme Court ruling. Finally, we're not supposed to speculate about what may or may not be primary topic in the future. --В²C ☎ 22:04, 25 October 2015 (UTC)

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Kim Davis is one of 59 people IN THE WHOLE WORLD to be a Time Person of the Year nominee

For those of you who still think Kim Davis is not sufficiently notable to warrant having a dedicated biography on WP, how do you reconcile that with the fact that she is one out of only 59 nominees for Time's Person of the Year for 2015? Out of over 7 billion people on this planet, 59 have been chosen as nominees for the person who shaped the world more than anyone else, and Kim Davis was one of those 59. And yet she shouldn't have a biography on Wikipedia? Really? This is taking WP:1E and WP:PSEUDO way too far, folks. --В²C ☎ 17:58, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

57 people, one group of people (refugees), and one horse. It's quite the list. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 18:25, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

slow news year I guess. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 15:27, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

This is probably big enough to reevaluate the consensus for one article, which doesn't seem to have been much of a consensus anyway. Since the article that we have now is mostly about the same-sex marriage controversy and just has some biographical tidbits tacked on, I'd suggest spinning those off into a new biography, but that's going to make the history messy. It would probably be better procedurally to spin off the controversy to a separate article, even though that was already tried and eventually reverted. What do others think? Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 18:32, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

There is absolutely nothing wrong with having a biography article that is dominated by material about whatever the subject is most notable. Almost any bio about an athlete is like that, for example. So, I see no reason to WP:SPLIT the current article. There is room for improvement in the content, of course, but the person and the events for which she is famous are too closely tied together to warrant separating, IMHO. That is, too few people (if any) would be interested in her but not the events, or vice versa. The only problem is the title - it should not be disambiguated. --В²C ☎ 21:46, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

Davis is notable all right, but only for the one event. Prhartcom (talk) 22:13, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

What's wrong with it is that the current "biography" only includes details about the controversy she was involved in, and she hasn't done anything else that we would write about otherwise. The tacked-on biographical info has no bearing on the controversy at all and is completely irrelevant to it. As far as the inclusion standards are concerned, she didn't exist at all right up to the point where she decided to stick her nose into the wrong side of a civil rights issue; what she did before that isn't important at all, and the only thing she's done since then is just this one thing. Athletes, on the other hand, have pursued their craft deliberately and for a significant time, and they are notable for excellence in their fields. The intricate details of how they pursued their sport, often from a very young age, are absolutely relevant to their biography. When athletes get involved in controversies we write about the controversy separately to protect the balance of the biography, and also to protect the integrity of the event article. For example, our article on Bad Newz Kennels dog fighting investigation doesn't start with a description of Michael Vick's playing career, nor does the O. J. Simpson murder case feature any of O. J. Simpson's acting career, nor do any of the three (at least) separate articles covering the Lance Armstrong doping case cover his life in any kind of detail. Davis is not a special case from any of these individuals - the article on her controversy should not be littered with irrelevant details about her life. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 00:11, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

Ivanvector, you contradict yourself. First you say the article "only includes details about the controversy she was involved in", then you immediately refer to "tacked-on biographical info" (those are details that are NOT about the controversy she was involved in).

More importantly, you are holding this biography to standards to which no other biography is held. We have countless biographies with even less "tacked-on biographical info" than this one, but you don't insist they not exist. Why are you picking on this one?

Prhartcom, it's not just one event. There are at least these events, all of which were covered separately in reliable sources:

1. Becoming a county clerk
2. The refusal to issue marriage licenses
3. The court case
4. The court ruling and aftermath
5. Jailing
6. Release
7. The fiasco with the pope
8. Nominee for Time's Person of the Year

Besides, even if there was only one event, 1E clearly states: "...the degree of significance of the event itself and the degree of significance of the individual's role within it should be considered. The general rule in many cases is to cover the event, not the person. However, if media coverage of both the event and the individual's role grow larger, separate articles may become justified".

Kim Davis was absolutely central to each of the events listed above, and the significance of most of the events was high enough to attract nationwide and even worldwide news coverage. The fact that the community has had trouble coming up with a good "event" title is because there is no one event: there is a series of events all of which concern Kim Davis. It only makes sense to make the article about her and her involvement in these events, just like the article is currently written, and title it accordingly, with her name, undisambiguated per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. --В²C ☎ 02:30, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

Precisely what is your point and purpose in starting this discussion section, Born2cycle? What do you hope to accomplish and how does this discussion contribute to the encyclopedia and improve the article? -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 02:59, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

I have to agree. The only reason she's notable is the controversy, and that is the only reason she's considered for Time. The title is still a problem, because it does not describe the event, but only her name. If we were to agree to allow a stand alone biography, it should not be disambiguated, but simply be titled Kim Davis, and then split off 95% of the content into an event article which still uses her name in the title. -- BullRangifer (talk) 06:41, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

100% agree. Well, I disagree on using her name in the title, but if it gets us past this endless naming dispute then I'm fine with it. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 10:15, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

Winkelvi, to answer your valid question, Born2cycle's goal on Wikipedia is to rename mis-named articles (see User:Born2cycle#Great RM decisions of his).

Born2cycle, please listen carefully. This discussion that you are so adamant about having, which Winkelvi (probably wearily) wants to know why you're having it, has been discussed before by all of us (except you) in the archive pages long before you ever showed up. Seriously. You missed it. You're late to the party. We talked ourselves to death for weeks and when the dust settled, nothing was decided. The only thing we all accomplished was the realization that nothing would ever be accomplished: there was not going to be any consensus anytime soon—the article must stay one single article, structured and named the way it currently is. Meanwhile, some of us were trying to improve the article at the same time. Then you showed up, full of vim and vigor, clueless about those weeks of discussion, demanding to talk about it again. Dude, just read the archives. Ivanvector has spoken sensibly in the paragraph above (starting with "What's wrong with it ...") and so has BullRangifer. Even Jimbo Wales weighed in at one point (he agreed that Davis experienced only one event and that this article was only a pseudo-biography). Suggestion to you sir: Type in the article space instead of the article talk space and make this article even better for our readers. Prhartcom (talk) 16:07, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

<APPLAUSE!> Thank you for expressing so completely and succinctly what I, and no doubt others, are feeling and thinking, Prhartcom. You get the Thanksgiving Day Obvious Truth Award. In short: you rock! Gratefully, -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 16:33, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

Primary topic adjustment

I don't think there's any disagreement here that this controversy is currently or universally the primary topic for Kim Davis; that is to say that a reader who comes to Wikipedia and types "kim davis" into the search box is probably looking for the information in this article, and not one of the other Kims Davis. As such, it's standard practice (WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT) to move Kim Davis out to Kim Davis (disambiguation), and create a new redirect at Kim Davis targeting this article. That doesn't settle the naming dispute for this article, but it improves the situation overall.

I've been waiting on this for the latest move review to close, but that seems like it could still carry on for a while, and I'm going offline for a few days anyway so I'll just leave this here and you guys can talk amongst yourselves. Happy Thanksgiving! Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 16:51, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

Read section above on this same page: The result of the move request was: No consensus. And that's fine. Prhartcom (talk) 00:45, 27 November 2015 (UTC)

Works for me. See you in a week. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 01:22, 27 November 2015 (UTC)

I concur with Ivanvector. Prhartcom, the move request decision above is a) still under review, and b) not the adjustment Ivanvector is suggesting. The RM was primarily about changing the title of this article; what Ivan is suggesting affects only the dab page (currently at Kim Davis). As such, it really should be formally proposed on the talk page there. --В²C ☎ 06:54, 27 November 2015 (UTC)

Neutrality Dispute

Why does this article mention Kim Davis' marriage history outside of the section called 'personal life'. Since this is often quoted by liberals to minimize her religious beliefs, the inclusion in the introduction smacks of bias. Other Wikipedia articles do not state marriage history in the introduction and this should be no different. Recommend removal of the marriage history from the introduction (since it is not a substantive biographical introduction or a Neutrality Dispute tag should be placed.