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RPC (Russian Paras) flag

According to the IPC Russia will compete as RPC in the 2020 Summer Paralympics. I mention this because they've announced the flag, and would like to request someone make an svg of said flag for use in our article. I'm cross-posting in quite a few places, but since it mostly falls into our purview (and this page is watched more than the Paralympics subproject) I figured this would be the "home" of the discussion. Primefac (talk) 17:35, 5 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

As a note, I did ask Mboro over at Commons as well, since they made File:Russian Olympic Committee flag.svg, so might be worth checking there as well (I'll try to update if they create it). Primefac (talk) 18:24, 5 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
 Done, flag created. Primefac (talk) 12:21, 15 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Two more Olympians at AfD

Hi. Please see the following discussions:

Thanks. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 06:21, 11 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Eyof 2022

I dont know if i can write this here, but i found that Eyof belong under this portal. I tried fix next two Eyof in 2022 but i dont know how to upload logo of this two games. If there is someone who know how to upload fair use logo fot this two games i would be very happy and will continue to do work on Eyof in future. I added official links to Vukoatti 2022 and Banská Bystrica 2022 if someone wanted help me with those logos.

Thanks, Dancer1313 (talk) 11:56, 21 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Non-medalled Olympic countries without GA

Hello. I was wondering if anyone wants to help make Good Articles for countries currently competing that have not won an Olympic medal. So far, I've done Laos at the 2012 Summer Olympics and Oman at the 2016 Summer Olympics. The remaining countries are:

  • Countries without Olympic/Paralympic Good Article: Angola, Cambodia, Democratic Republic of the Congo, Guinea, Guinea-Bissau, Liberia, Libya, Mali, Papua New Guinea, Turkmenistan
  • Countries without Olympic GA but have Paralympic GA: Burkina Faso, Republic of the Congo, El Salvador, Honduras, Madagascar, Nicaragua, Palestine, Seychelles

Thanks! --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 00:04, 22 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Jaroslava Bajerová

This page needs sources if anyone has time. Best.4meter4 (talk) 12:36, 23 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Women in Red hosting Olympics and Paralympics

Greetings from WP:WikiProject Women in Red! Starting 1 July, we’re going to have a focus during July, August and September on the women of the Olympic and Paralympic Games. Your participants are warmly welcomed to join us for the event, documenting as many women as possible; additionally if you have relevant lists of red links that we should encourage participants to take up, we’d love to know. Thanks very much!--Ipigott (talk) 15:06, 24 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Gillou at the 1900 Olympics

How can we know who was the partner of Pierre Verdé-Delisle at the Tennis at the 1900 Summer Olympics – Mixed doubles?

SportsOlympic (talk) 19:10, 28 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Olympedia would be the better source (same folks as S-R, but with more up-to-date research). -- Jonel (Speak to me) 19:26, 28 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Jonel: Thanks, done. And created Antoinette Gillou. SportsOlympic (talk) 11:10, 29 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Tripartite Commission

I'm not an Olympics expert, and was confused while creating a stub for someone who was the first to qualify for the Olympics in her sport from her country but not the first to compete. (Though one confused source said she was first to compete). I found this which explained a little about the Tripartite Commission, but it might be helpful if someone could write an article, or a section, describing the system, for the benefit of non-experts. I see that the term crops up in quite a few articles already, and there are five redlinks to it. PamD 17:35, 30 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I'm one of the Women in Red project - see previous-but-one post. Getting this drafted ahead of tomorrow's start date. PamD 17:37, 30 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I've started an article. -- Jonel (Speak to me) 19:09, 30 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, @Jonel:, looks useful. I see that there are 3-400 articles with "Tripartite Commission" and "Olympics", so someone who's a dab hand at AWB might like to link a few more than the 8 or so currently linked, for the benefit of other non-Olympic-geek readers like myself who read the term and are curious about it. Thanks. PamD 20:20, 5 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Getting into the weeds (infobox thoughts)

Okay, so I just came across an issue that I'm honestly not sure how to resolve. This involves specifically {{infobox country at games}} as it relates to the 2020 Summer Paralympics and the Independent Paralympians at the Paralympic Games. In the Summer Olympics, we have had multiple years of Refugee teams ('16 and '20) so ROC (the Russians) fits in with the other "Independent Olympians" in their date list, so there's not much of an overlap.

Technically there is no "Independent Paralympians" group this year (at least as far as I can tell), but there is the Refugee team and (of course) RPC. The issue is that the Refugee Team technically competed as Independent Paralympic Athletes in 2016.

I'll include the {{team appearances list}} for all five years so you can see what the bottom of the {{infobox country at games}} looks like regarding "other appearances" lists.

  • On Independent Paralympic Participants at the 1992 Summer Paralympics →
  • On Individual Paralympic Athletes at the 2000 Summer Paralympics →
  • On Independent Paralympic Athletes at the 2016 Summer Paralympics →
  • On Russian athletes at the 2020 Summer Paralympics →
  • On Refugee Paralympic Team at the 2020 Summer Paralympics →

I see a few options here.

  • First, consider the '16 team as Refugees and break it out of our summary article (thus having '16 and '20 Summer being "Refugee" and '92, 2000, and '20 the "Independents"), so the '16 link would be pulled from the first four lists and added to the fifth
  • Second, consider the '20 Refugee team as its own/new thing. This is basically the status quo at the moment.
  • Third, consider the '20 RPC (Russians) as the outlier and put the '20 Refugees in with the Independents.

Personally, I'm somewhat with the second option, because from everything I've seen they specifically didn't call the '16 group "Refugees" even though they're now referring to the '20 group as "the second group of refugees". Anywho, thoughts and opinions are appreciated. Primefac (talk) 01:10, 3 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I think the second option is the best for the reasons you listed at the end. Nimrodbr (talk) 11:17, 4 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I would go with the first option. As you explain, it is the same "team", just with a new name. (And to cover all bases, the current Russian-not-Russia Olympic/Paralympic team, of course, is unaffiliated with the previous team Russia, and thus is covered separately.) Kingsif (talk) 22:20, 7 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Number of team rosters in several sports at 2020 Summer Olympics

On 3 July 2021, the International Olympic Committee (IOC) confirmed alternates can be used in EACH association football/field hockey/handball/rugby sevens/water polo match at the 2020 Summer Olympics due to the challenges posed by COVID-19. (Sources: 1, 2)

Sport Number of rosters
Association football 18+4=22
Field hockey 16+2=18
Handball 14+1=15
Rugby sevens 12+1=13
Water polo 12+1=13

Do we need to change the number of competitors in these sports in section "Competitors" of the articles "Nation at the 2020 Summer Olympics" (e.g. Japan at the 2020 Summer Olympics, United States at the 2020 Summer Olympics)? Thanks! --Phikia (talk) 05:12, 4 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

In my opinion, if a specific NOC add the alternates to the delegation, then it is necessary to change accordingly. Nimrodbr (talk) 07:11, 4 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I would say yes, as the "Alternates" are able to play due to the flexibility, so all 22 footballers could play for one country. Joseph2302 (talk) 13:05, 6 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, if they are listed by the NOC. Should the non-playing alternates be removed from that number after the Olympics? SportsOlympic (talk) 13:20, 6 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Addition, it's not that team will increase in football from 18 to 22 "Only 18 players can be named in match day squads, despite the increase." SportsOlympic (talk) 13:25, 6 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Agree with Joseph. GiantSnowman 15:19, 6 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I say yes - there is now no difference in status between the original 18-player squad selected and the 4 players formerely named as alternate players. Squads, like Zambia, who announced after the decision to change the rules named a 22-player squad and no one is named as alternates. --SuperJew (talk) 15:31, 6 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with the others comments, from the few Rugby Sevens squads I've seen so far they've not tended to name who the additional player is. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 17:48, 6 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I think we need to put a note on the page of each country with alternates explaining they can compete. However, they do not count towards the official total of the team. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 03:53, 14 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This discussion has been expanded on here. Could we get some more input? Thanks, --SuperJew (talk) 13:12, 14 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Haiti at the 2022 Winter Olympics

I am looking for some help in modifying their infobox/template to accommodate their first Winter games appearance, and to eliminate all the red links for past games that they were not part of. I am a little cautious though since they have not actually sent an athlete to any games, but merely have qualified one. Thank you.18abruce (talk) 16:47, 5 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Cannabis and sports

New stub: Cannabis and sports. Any project members care to help expand? ---Another Believer (Talk) 17:54, 8 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I remember Dutch gymnast Yuri van Gelder was temporary banned and sentences. source SportsOlympic (talk) 20:59, 8 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The rules doping rules regarding cannabis changed this year see here SportsOlympic (talk) 21:07, 8 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Great Britain or United Kingdom?

Seeing this project's banner on the talkpage at Talk:Great Britain at the 2020 Summer Olympics, I thought some here might be interested in the discussion there over whether the nation being represented by the British Olympic Association at the Tokyo 2020 Olympics should be called Great Britain or the United Kingdom. -- DeFacto (talk). 17:53, 9 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Slate journalist covering Wikipedia and Olympics

Hello WikiProject Olympics,

I am a journalist who has written a lot about Wikipedia for different publications. Some of my stories are available here www.stephenharrison.com

Reaching out because I am writing a story for Slate about coverage of the Olympic games on Wikipedia, and how Wikipedia can be used as a second screen while watching the games. I have reached out to a few editors on this project, specifically, and would prefer to speak to as many voices as possible. :) Would any of you be available to answer some questions about how volunteer editors such as yourself are covering the Olympics? If so, my email address to contact me is available on my website above. Thanks for considering. Stephenbharrison (talk) 22:58, 10 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I've responded to this request by email. Schwede66 19:11, 11 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Team sport alternates - Tokyo 2020

Earlier this month the IOC announced that some team sports will have flexibility to use alternates as part of the Olympic competition. I wanted to gauge opinions here. Do we include the alternates within the full team size of countries or do we omit them and provide a note indicating alternates can be selected to the team? For starters, Canada did not include alternates as part of its team size. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 21:22, 13 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Could you please link to the announcement so that I can see the list of sports, Sportsfan? Schwede66 02:16, 14 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
[1] Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 02:19, 14 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I mean the IOC announcement, Sportsfan. I'm interested in their definition of team sports. Schwede66 02:40, 14 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Sportsfan 1234, Schwede66. There is a discussion above (Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Olympics#Number of team rosters in several sports at 2020 Summer Olympics) about the IOC announcement and the number of competitors in these team sports (association football/field hockey/handball/rugby sevens/water polo). Please see and join the discussion. Thanks. --Phikia (talk) 03:20, 14 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. Overlooked that. The reason I asked is because there's a curious situation with New Zealand's rowers and wondered whether they were counted as a team sport (in particular, it's the women's eight, which consists of a team of nine—8 rowers plus 1 coxswain—but they've listed eleven for that boat). Hence my interest. I don't have a strong opinion on it outside of rowing. Schwede66 03:57, 14 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Stephanie Barrett up for deletion

The article Stephanie Barrett who will be a Tokyo 2020 Olympian is up for deletion here: [2] Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 13:39, 18 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Populating categories for the 2020 Olympics

Hi. I've reverted some edits by editors who've already added X person to a sports category at the 2020 Games (example). Now looking at Category:Competitors at the 2020 Summer Olympics, I might be fighting a losing battle on this, although 252 wrestlers have already competed... I'm under the belief that until someone starts an event, then they get added to the category. Not simply qualifing, or on a plane to Tokyo, or even at the athlete's village. Actually starting an event. Seeing as the Games haven't started, and the ongoing COVID situation, I thought this would be the best way to go about it. But maybe not? What do others think? Thanks. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 14:50, 19 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Agree. I would wait until they competed or in team sports, until the competition is going on and they are on the team sheet. Kante4 (talk) 15:16, 19 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Agree that until they actually compete, they're not competitors at the Games. Especially when I expect we'll see a number of late COVID-related withdrawals. And there will unused alternates for some sports (e.g. relay races) who I would only count in that category if they actually compete. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:16, 19 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks both. If it was a few days before an Olympics, and without the COVID threat, I wouldn't even mention it. But it will be interesting to see how much disruption (if any) the C-situation brings. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 16:39, 19 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Copying career history from FIS

Hello, I have a question. Instead of manually putting everything into a table, can I just copy and paste the career stats from FIS site? How will it violate copyright?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Anthon_Bosch https://www.fis-ski.com/DB/general/athlete-biography.html?sectorcode=sb&competitorid=194169&type=result

DyingLightquests (talk) 21:36, 19 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Debate over 2020 Summer Olympics opening ceremony

Hi there. Could I ask for discussion over the content and format of the 2020 Summer Olympics opening ceremony? Namely if the main section should be called Ceremony or Proceedings and the formats that have been presented. I'm looking for resolution, rather than agreement. Lama12 (talk) 21:43, 19 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Tie-breakers in group stages

I've been trying to update the table at Softball at the 2020 Summer Olympics, and also to add a few paragraphs of information about which tie-breakers will be used for that purpose (run difference, total runs scored, ...), but I couldn't find anything. Any help would be appreciated. Cheers, RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 13:06, 24 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Nevermind, seek [at the right place] and ye shall find. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 15:06, 24 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved

3x3 basketball

Since competition in 3x3 basketball have started we should also create appropriate categories for both competition and players. Any suggestion on how to do this? My guess is that it would be best idea to copy structure used for beach volleyball? Nightfall87 (talk) 13:27, 24 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I was planing to start the category "3x3 basketball players at the 2020 Summer Olympics" for this olympics later on (or earlier). Same for Olympic 3x3 basketball players of COUNTRY. Kante4 (talk) 13:30, 24 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Olympic Games page move

Hi. Please see this discussion. Thanks. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 07:54, 26 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

List of Olympians and Paralympians from Peel, Ontario at AfD

Please see this discussion. Thanks. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 19:11, 27 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Events templates

Should the events templates (Category:Summer Olympics events by year navigational boxes) include links to specific team events (e.g., link to football, men's tournament, and women's tournament), such as currently the case at Template:Events at the 2016 Summer Olympics, or treat team events like individual events and only link to the sport (e.g., only link to football), such as currently the case at Template:Events at the 2008 Summer Olympics? My view is that there should not be links to specific events in this box. Why should we link to men's football and women's football when we don't link to men's golf and women's golf? -- Jonel (Speak to me) 19:34, 27 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Yes, they should include such links, for easy navigation between men's basketball and men's handball tournaments, for example. The criteria for inclusion is a "team ball sports". 178.93.135.126 (talk) 01:20, 28 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    That doesn't provide any reason to treat team sports differently from individual ones. Why have navigation between men's basketball and men's handball, but not easy navigation between men's basketball and women's golf? A 339-event template would be unwieldy. But having certain specific events but not others makes no sense. All of the links should be to sports/disciplines. -- Jonel (Speak to me) 12:56, 28 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Golf has no team competitions. Only team ball sports were included. 178.93.135.126 (talk) 18:29, 28 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    I agree with Jonel. This team ball sports rule for inclusion of event specific links (rather than links to displine only) is unjustified (as far as I can tell). I see no reason why men's football should be treated differently to men's javelin (for example). The "only team ball sports were included" isn't even correct. Table tennis is a ball sport, and has team events, same with tennis. The actual rule is "only ball sports which only have team events", which is an equally unjustifed disinction.
    SSSB (talk) 18:36, 28 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Nairobi Treaty on the Protection of the Olympic Symbol

Hi all

I just discovered there is an international UN treaty protecting the Olympics logo. If anyone would like to create the article for it here is the Wikidata item with more info.

Thanks

John Cummings (talk) 12:16, 28 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hello! I have just made the page Draft:Sailing at the 2020 Summer Olympics – Finn and I was wondering if this was the place to ask for it to be checked and published, as this is my first time making a page related to the Olympics. I'm also planning on doing the other Sailing events that are missing. Thanks!

Rambor13 (talk) 00:22, 29 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Rambor13, I've published it. It's rather "risky" to make Olympics pages in draft space when the Games are already underway as somebody else may start the page in parallel. I suggest you make Olympic pages in article space by using the redirects that are in place everywhere. Main thing you need to watch out for is links pointing to disambiguation pages. Please check all links for this article are pointing to the correct spot. Schwede66 03:05, 29 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Template: FlagIOC vs FlagIOCteam

The use of FlagIOC (the only difference being the IOC code is removed) is the standard template being used for other related articles. See rugby sevens [3], softball [4], swimming [5] etc. However, other articles like fencing [6] use FlagIOCteam. Is there a difference on which template should be used? For starters I don't think the IOC code is necessary as it adds nothing to the article (I am assuming most people do not know IOC codes). Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 02:09, 1 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

In Some cases, such as in judo, the event you have deleted to IOC codes from[7][8][9], the athletes backpatches[10], as well as the writing on the screens in the competition venue[11] and the TV broadcast show the IOC code and not the full country name. This is only one reason why this information should be shown in the medal tables. This information also appears in official Olympic medal tables[12]. Please, provide a reason why it shouldn't appear on the medal tables. Deancarmeli (talk) 10:28, 1 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"Medals by sport" & "Medals by day" tables

I've opened a similarly named section at Talk:2020 Summer Olympics.

Main issue: The need, of lack thereof, of "Medals by sport" & "Medals by day" tables for NOC's with only a few medals, sometime a single one. As Lucky102 showed me, Jr Tahun has been adding them to every medaling NOC, such as Argentina, Azerbaijan, Finland & Ivory Coast.

Take Portugal for example. Currently, their Medalists section looks like this:

In my opinion, so long as no more than one medal has been won by the NOC in any single day, there is no need for the "Medals by day" table.
In the same way, so long as no more than one medal has been won by the NOC in any single sport, there is no need for the "Medals by sport" table.

I believe that Nimrodbr Will agree with me, at least in part, and that Sportsfan 1234 who has recently joined the edit war will oppose it. Deancarmeli (talk) 10:10, 1 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I do agree. When there is no long list of medals (say over 10) there is no reason for additional tables summarizing information that exists and is displayed. Adding additional tables is a visual burden. In my opinion also that a country wins 2 medals on the same day there is no reason for another table. These tables are good for countries that win many medals and then it makes sense to present summaries of the medals in different aspects. Nimrodbr (talk) 10:43, 1 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I agree. The tables are very useful for countries with many medals, but for countries with less medals it's just repeating information. If the country has won five medals, I can pretty quickly find out which days and which sports they were won in, because that information is already there. As Nimrodbr also suggested, I think 10 medals would be a good mark. Countries with 10 or more medals could have the tables added, countries with less don't need it. Kaffe42 (talk) 11:52, 1 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Not sure the "Medals by day" table is ever needed. Why is it of use to breakdown which day was which medal? The fact that athletes won medals on the same day doesn't mean a necessary connection. --SuperJew (talk) 12:14, 1 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I see SuperJew's point, and wouldn't object to a complete removal of the "Medals by day" tables. Deancarmeli (talk) 12:20, 1 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I think adding the dates to table with the names is sufficient, that way the separate date table can be removed. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 20:42, 1 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Since the main medals table can be sorted by date, I agree with the position that the Medals by Day table is redundant. The Medals by Sport table provides a graphically compact summary that is nice even for countries with smaller medal counts, once more than one medal has been won. --Chefallen (talk) 21:10, 1 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Agree with Sportsfan. Schwede66 21:12, 1 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I'll just add that in my view, if the "Medals by sport" table will be added, it will have to be sortable, but that's a different discussion. Deancarmeli (talk) 10:06, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@MangoTareeface9: you wrote It's interesting to see what days did a country gain the most medals and when they didn't. Why is it "interesting"? Or the more correct question to ask on Wikipedia, which is an encyclopedia and not a tabloid style newspaper, why is it informative or notable? The fact that certain sports were played together on the same day has no bearing one on the other and there is no relation between them. For example, the fact that Shi Tingmao and Wang Han won a gold medal in diving on 25 July didn't inspire Chen Lijun to win his gold medal in weightlifting. The things are not connected, while putting them together in such a table implies there is a connection. Regarding the argument below that media nicknames things like Super Saturday or Fantastic Friday, that is first of all journalistic tabloid-style writing written to pull readers and clicks, and secondly doesn't have lasting effect. In one year will there be articles about that one day that a country won 4/5/6 medals? Probably not as it's irrelevant. However, there will be articles about the athlete who won 8 medals in the 2004 Olympics. --SuperJew (talk) 09:33, 6 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, since you asked - this is purely my own opinion but USA didn't get a single gold on their first day. That is unprecedented and can be seen on that table. Also people are interested on which country is going to end up with the most golds and like to know the latest daily updates. I bet unevenly on both USA and China to top the medal chart and the daily medal table was very fascinating to me as I like to know who scored the most golds in the latest day. It's a nice supplement table to refer to when following the gold medal race and it gives a decent historical view of tracking how the gold medal race progressed over the 16 days however I may just be the minority who are super interested in the daily gains table. If others disagree and think it's uninteresting, that is their opinion but it's definitely not mine. MangoTareeface9 (talk) 11:16, 6 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@MangoTareeface9: It sounds like (and correct me if I'm wrong), you're putting the emphasis on the use of Wikipedia as a place viewers use to track the medals on a daily basis while the Games are ongoing. However, such use is more in line with statistic sites or the official Olympics site. Here we are building an encyclopedia, and the aim is to include information which is notable and inforamtive in the future. For example, if you go now to read about the 1992 Summer Olympics, are you interested in the breakdown of medals per day for each nation? --SuperJew (talk) 11:38, 6 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Fair enough. I guess such information would not be as important or valued as the years go by. Nobody would care about it as much in the future so I see your logic and ultimately agree with you.MangoTareeface9 (talk) 11:43, 6 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I think that template should have stayed until the Olympics are over because removing them makes it difficult to keep count on number of medals won in the day to correctly count medals a nation won. BattleshipMan (talk) 13:48, 6 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]


Lets try and formalize this discussion with two votes, one on each table:

Complete removal of the "Medals by day" tables.
@Paora: I think that that's quite literally WP:TRIVIA. Legendary days like you speak of, if any exist, could be mentioned in the page header or a separate section. The "Medals by day" table does nothing to inform the reader of the cultural significance of any date, and so is true for it's nickname as well – if one exists at all. Deancarmeli (talk) 10:38, 6 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Deancarmeli: If it were trivia, why would you suggest that it should be mentioned in the article lede, or that it deserves a separate section? If that's the case, then it clearly isn't trivia! Paora (talk) 10:54, 6 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Paora: A complete list of dates is Trivia. One, special day in one NOC's history is worth a mention. Again, not in a table without any context. Deancarmeli (talk) 11:01, 6 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - medals by date is really trivial stuff. Fyunck(click) (talk) 04:15, 6 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per Paora, it also makes it easier for people to reference rather than calculate manually Yeungkahchun (talk) 04:41, 6 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Partial oppose as User:Paora stated there can be value in it for countries which have won a lot of medals, to show if the country has an exceptional day of medal winning. I would suggest that there be a threshold above which these tables can be included, maybe the top 15 countries in ther medal table, where the country has won enough medals to make the table worthwhile? Obviously however they are of little value for countries which have only won a handful of medals though, and I would support them being ommitted in these cases. G-13114 (talk) 04:44, 6 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. It's interesting to see what days did a country gain the most medals and when they didn't. And maybe it's pointless for countries that barely win anything but I think the top ten countries with the most medals be the exception to the rule.MangoTareeface9 (talk) 09:12, 6 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Oppose Useful, interesting and informative for countries like Australia that have a surge early, and then a drought most years. The-Pope (talk) 03:47, 4 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Oppose Interesting and notable statistic. For example, Australia had its most successful day at an Olympic games ever last week, which garnered significant media attention (link). Macosal (talk) 14:42, 6 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Further comment - Torlek (talk · contribs)'s suggestion below is not a bad idea, but need to consider where the lines should be. Macosal (talk) 13:28, 7 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose with a compromise For countries like the United States and China with a list of medalists a kilometer long provides an interesting snapshot of the country's performance over the course of the games and only takes up a small amount of the massive tracts of whitespace on the right side of that section. Perhaps it should only be populated for countries that win medals on five or more days and win four or more medals on at least one of those days.Torlek (talk) 14:54, 6 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose with a compromise: per to what Torlek said above. BattleshipMan (talk) 17:08, 6 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Oppose Agree with Torlek above. Showmebeef (talk)
  • Oppose and Conditionally Support only if we agree to remove both "by day" and "by sport" tables regardless of the medal numbers, since the information provided by the two tables can be obtained by sorting the detailed medal table, hence technically they ought to be treated the same way. --阿pp (talk) 02:35, 7 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@阿pp: The argument is that the "Medals by day" table has no value what-so-ever, while the "Medals by sport" table has value when it holdss information about an NOC with many medal that otherwise couldn't bee seen all together in the "regular" table. Deancarmeli (talk) 11:23, 7 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Deancarmeli: At least to me those two have equal values. With a sortable regular table, both kind of information (medals on a certain day and medals for a sport) can be easily read with at most two sorting clicks. Yesterday I was talking to a friend of mine about whether USA's gold medals would pass China's on the final day. At that moment what I needed was exactly "medals by day" tables from past games as reference. Therefore I do think the "medals by day" table has some value. --阿pp (talk) 11:49, 7 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@阿pp: By that, you assume that events are held in the same order on all games — which is an unsupported assumption. In addition, for NOCs with many medal, one cannot see all medalist together in the regular table. for some, not even in two glances. That is why "Medals by sport" can bu useful for some country, while there is no basis for the claim that "Medals by day" is more than just trivia. Deancarmeli (talk) 12:45, 7 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Deancarmeli: I am not saying that all competition schedules are the same. They are all different but somewhat similar but they do serve as supportive reference. I cannot see how "medals by sport" could be more meaningful than "medals by day". Some Nation got 1 gold and 2 silvers on 1 August. Meaningless indeed. Some other Nation got 2 golds and 2 silvers in athletics. What is that supposed to mean? The Nation is good or bad on athletics? You cannot judge that if you do not know how many athletes of the Nation entered, right? Then how about adding entry numbers of each sport also to the table as well, making it meaningful? --阿pp (talk) 12:59, 7 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@阿pp: Realy? You're saying that a conversation like "Remember that time we won a medal in judo?" is less likely than a conversation like "Remember the time we won a medal on August 3rd?"? Come on, That's pure trivia. If an NOC HAs medal in athletics, they are probably good at it. No NOC specializes in "August 1st competitions". Deancarmeli (talk) 13:14, 7 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe I am too stupid to see it. I will stick to my original vote. Thank you for your time. --阿pp (talk) 13:19, 7 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Hey, look. It's best to have that table for countries that have large amount of athletes who won medals in a day. BattleshipMan (talk) 04:48, 8 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support I don't find the date tables meaningful. I accept others' arguments that there are situations where a particular day medal haul is interesting (like USA's first day, Australia's early surge), but I think those cases are rare enough to better be covered by a summary mentioning this on that country's page. Adding a table to every country is excessive. -- Lejman (talk) 19:36, 8 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]


Removal of the "Medals by sport" tables for every NOC that either won less than 10 medals OR didn't win more than 1 medal in any single sport.
With nobody opposing and a solid support, I think we can safely remove 'medals by date' tables from all pages and 'medals by sport' tables for countries with less than 10 medals or only 1 medal in each sport. Following WP:BOLD I will begin doing this. Kaffe42 (talk) 16:32, 5 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Unsurprisingly, several of my edits have been reverted by anonymous IPs. I will refrain from reverting back to avoid editwars, but just to keep track of the reverted pages I will list them here: Australia, Great Britain, Greece Kaffe42 (talk) 21:59, 5 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Updated with South Korea, Japan, China, USA. Kaffe42 (talk) 06:17, 6 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The consensus appears to be that "Medals by sport" tables should be removed only for every NOC that either won less than 10 medalsYeungkahchun (talk)
Yes, but by consensus ALL "medals by day" tables should be removed. Fyunck(click) (talk) 04:26, 6 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Yes the reverts are an issue even though we already have consensus. Also, has anyone informed Jr Tahun yet? Yet I think he may revert your removals too once he sees them Atom105 (talk) 06:43, 6 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
What consensus? There is no consensus. I misread the distinction of the two voting sections as "remove all, or keep if over 10 medals", not "remove by date or remove by sport". The-Pope (talk) 14:26, 6 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Am I missing something? Aren't there 8 votes in favour and 8 against? Where is the consensus? In general, I'm quite surprised how eager you are to remove information without any need. I quite often compare the timing of the medals won between olympic games. Why not just keep it? Is there any necessity to save these few bytes? Bloche (talk) 17:45, 6 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Bloche Yes, I was clearly too quick to make the change, that's my bad. But at the time there were only support for the suggestion. It wasn't until after the change was carried out that the oppose-votes came. Either way, it's my bad, I apologize. Kaffe42 (talk) 17:50, 6 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Partial Support I'd like to lower the limit to less than 5 medals. (So keeping the table for countries with 5 medals and more.) Four is the upper limit for how many items most individual can subitize, so beyond that people would need to start counting. -- Lejman (talk) 19:36, 8 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I just read this lovely piece in the Guardian and was wondering if we know what Guy Fraser's username is, I searched his name on the off chance he used that but couldn't find it; I'd love to give him a project-specific barnstar for all his work! Kingsif (talk) 15:23, 1 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I just backlinked the url and found he has it on his userpage, should have done that before. Well, this drew attention to a good user, anyway. Kingsif (talk) 15:25, 1 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Great idea, until the WP:GNG zealots come in to AFD a few of them. Back before the Rio games I made a list of all Australian Olympians with the same goal. Excluding post-2016 Olympians, we only have 7 baseballers to do. The-Pope (talk) 16:01, 1 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Per WP:NOLYMPICS, any athlete competing in the modern Olympics is assumed notable, no? --SuperJew (talk) 11:57, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Good luck with that assumption if you get challenged and you can't find any non-directory/routine coverage, ie for an bench player in the Japanese handball team. Per WP:NAFL, playing in the top level league is assumed notable, but of the >13000 players who have done that, one was deleted at AFD earlier this year. The-Pope (talk) 16:36, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Medal count box for olympic players

Hi Project Olympic Team, can I check if we are allowed to create medal count box in individual player profiles for olympic players in each sport category and their world championships etc.?

For example, using badminton:

|- | colspan="3" style="padding:0" |

Event 1st 2nd 3rd
Olympic Games 0 0 1
BWF World Championships 0 0 1
Sudirman Cup 0 1 1
Thomas Cup 0 1 0
Asian Games 0 0 1
Asia Championships 2 1 1
BWF World Junior Championships 0 0 3
Asia Junior Championships 0 0 4
Total 2 3 12

I have been creating medal count box for some badminton players profile(WIP) but there is another wikipedian(from this olympic project and badminton project) reverting my edits for medal count box so I wish to clarify with the team here what is the standard?

Also, are we allowed to display the Olympic logo using "

" within the profile for players who won olympic medals just underneath the olympic games header for the olympic year and games that they won?

For example:

Olympic medal record
Olympic Games
Gold medal – first place 2020 Tokyo Vault



Thank you for the clarification!!Atom105 (talk) 08:33, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I would leave out the rings, makes it look clumsy and serves no purpose as the link is right aboveItalic text. For the medal count, i add "total=yes" to the top so we don't need to add the number to a total (did it to your original post if it is ok). Kante4 (talk) 09:18, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Its ok!! so just to clarify, it is ok to put medal count boxes for athletes who don't have them? What if the WP(WikiProject) Team for that discipline(E.g. badminton) does not agree? can we still put the medal count infobox since the Olympic WP team here should take higher precedence? how can we resolve this between WP teams? Atom105 (talk) 09:48, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Atom105:Not sure i got you but i would only add the competition (or the medalbox) if the athlete did win a medal in it. Kante4 (talk) 09:51, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, the athletes which i am editing have won at least 1 medal(bronze/silver or gold) and some of them up to dozens of them from various tournaments Atom105 (talk) 09:54, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Atom105: Ok, i see no reason te remove them when added. But that's just me, may need to wait for more editors to chip in. Kante4 (talk) 09:56, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The Olympic rings are a registered symbol or trademark, so my recommendation is not to use them. Nimrodbr (talk) 09:23, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks! noted on the olympics logo causing potential legal issue due to trademark. will remove them from athletes infobox when i edit them Atom105 (talk) 09:52, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
My opinion is that this kind of table might not be very effective. It's big, but it contains very little information. How about something like this? Build a more detailed table. --阿pp (talk) 10:55, 5 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Mass edits in wrestling articles

An IP mass-edited the 2016 Olympic wrestling articles yesterday making edits like this one. Is the edit correct?--Ymblanter (talk) 08:51, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It seems that the edits were correct. The format for wrestling in 2016 was seemingly changed to only one round rather than two, so the edits are entirely in line as I see it. Should probably have been changed back in 2016, but better late than never. Kaffe42 (talk) 12:03, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Good, thanks.--Ymblanter (talk) 19:01, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

New female Olympic Diver for Norway

Hi WP Olympic Team, I was updating the scores for the women's 10m diving event for 2020 Summer Olympics and discovered that there was no diving section in the wikipedia page for Norway's 2020 Summer Olympics. I therefore created a new section and added in the relevant data. However, I am a new wikipedian and am not sure if I did it correctly(This is the first time I am doing such a major editing). Can I request a team member here to check the page to ensure that all the updates/citations and links are ok? Thank you!! Atom105 (talk) 09:52, 4 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Atom105: Looks good to me. Kante4 (talk) 09:55, 4 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Atom105: Looks good to me as well, thanks a lot.--Ymblanter (talk) 10:00, 4 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Great! Thanks a lot for the proofread. I appreciate it. Atom105 (talk) 10:24, 4 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Issue with Template Table for Sports Climbing for all participating countries

Hi WP Olympic Team, I have encountered another issue when updating scores for the 2020 Olympics.

Firstly, I noticed that the Score Table for Sports Climbing for all participating countries (I assume this because I checked AUT/GBR/FRA/POL/JPN pages and all have the same issue) is created using a template called "Generated from: 2020SportClimbingOlympics". When i clicked into the template using visual editing, I cannot update any scores. Switching to source editing also have the same issue where i cannot find the athlete's name and column to update the data. This template table is different from all other tables I have encountered so far which are basic tables which we can key data into. Can I check if this is intentional? How do we input scores and data in this case for template tables?

Secondly, I assumed that this was an error and deleted the empty template table and then created a basic table for Japan to update the data and scores BEFORE I noticed that all participating countries have the same issue. If the intent is to use Template Tables, please delete my Basic Table for Japan and revert the Template Table instead. I apologize for this. I should have checked here first and asked before doing this step.

Thanks for all the clarification. Atom105 (talk) 14:10, 4 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I think the results go into the template code and once that’s done, the country results tables will automatically populate. At least that’s how I interpret this template setup. Quite genius but rather user unfriendly. Schwede66 16:36, 4 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I see. I tried typing random data and inputs into the template fields but it doesn't show anything once I save it when using the visual editor. I will be grateful if anyone can teach me how to input the scores into such a template. Otherwise, is it ok if we switch back to basic table instead? Atom105 (talk) 17:01, 4 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Also, I have re-checked a few pages. Someone has deleted the template for USA and ROC a few days ago and used a basic table instead and populated the scores. The rest of the country pages(besides japan which i edited) are not updated cuz I think they are equally stumped as I am by the template Atom105 (talk) 17:13, 4 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Addendum: The Sports Climbing records for USA/ROC tables are also different as USA page has Lane A/B data and ROC does not. I think we need to fix this issue before it snowballs. Atom105 (talk) 17:19, 4 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Pinging @Primefac: as the creator of this template. Not sure why there was a template to start with but maybe there is a good reason. Kante4 (talk) 17:19, 4 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The theory was that it would give one central place to put all of the scores, because some sports in other locations we have had wildly different layouts, styles, and content from country to country (even with the same sport/event), so I thought it best to standardize. Once the Women finish up tomorrow I will be updating and standardizing everything for consistency and accuracy across the various pages. Primefac (talk) 22:45, 5 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Also, for what it's worth, it was definitely a "road to hell" situation; I was looking at it yesterday and realized that the code is quite convoluted... Primefac (talk) 23:39, 5 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Understood @Primefac:. I won't update the basic table for Japan then(ROC and USA also have basic tables but someone else is updating all the data) and all other countries template since you wish to use the template to updated them. Anyhow i also do not know how to update the template haha. It's too complicated for me as a new wikipidian Atom105 (talk) 01:07, 6 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
With all the results in I decided that the "convenience" template isn't really that much of a convenience, so I just converted them to straight tables and updated all of the NOC pages. Primefac (talk) 00:36, 7 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Editing issue at United States at the 2020 Summer Olympics

A editor name Trackfan20 added an Overview section at United States at the 2020 Summer Olympics with mostly negative stuff about it. I saw that other U.S. Olympic pages don't have overview sections and I deleted the overview section because of it, but someone else brought it back. Here's the page history of it. What do you think it should be done? I just want an input about this. BattleshipMan (talk) 01:07, 5 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I saw that. It has been removed again. None of the other articles have it so it needs to be discussed if ever brought back. But even if it was agreed to, what was there was pretty much all negative. Fyunck(click) (talk) 02:43, 5 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Fyunck(click): I saw that. It was set up by Trackfan20. If you want to speak to the user about it, go ahead. BattleshipMan (talk) 04:04, 5 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Having a look, there seem to be a lot of opinion ("only a bronze", "disappointing" etc.) these require a direct citation. Having a look, there seem to be a handful of WP:NPOV issues that need to be fixed. It is worth pointing out that if the article ever wants to go beyond start-class it will need summaries about the events.
SSSB (talk) 10:32, 5 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Hello! Yes, I agree. I started adding notable wins as well to have a balanced overview.Trackfan20 (talk) 08:32, 6 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The edits also seem to suggest that being a world champion means that not get a medal automatically means a bad performance, which is simply not true, as well as placing unjustified weight on "bad" results, and ignoreing "good" ones. I am about to place a neutrality tag on the page, and leave some info on the talk page.
SSSB (talk) 10:39, 5 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Without looking at the section, is the material supported by reliable sources? And, if so, is it free from the original synthesis? If one of the answers is no it should go.--Ymblanter (talk) 10:46, 5 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Trackfan20 has been adding WP:NPOV stuff in sections of United States at the 2020 Summer Olympics again. BattleshipMan (talk) 15:05, 5 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@BattleshipMan: I just wanted to come on here and apologize to you and everyone else dealing with the overview. I looked back at my edits and I was the one who accidentally brought it back yesterday when I was updating results on the page. For the record, I also support leaving that out. Rscala1 (talk) 17:18, 5 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I hope that NPOV problem on the 2020 United States Olympics pages get solved soon. BattleshipMan (talk) 23:45, 5 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Politics section at China at the 2020 Summer Olympics

China at the 2020 Summer Olympics#Politics Hi. Just wanna ask if the community has any consensus on if such section belongs to Nations at Olympics page. My opinion is that the Nations Summary page mainly focus on the delegation itself. Politics section seems off topic. Also I would like to quote part from the Team Summary issue at USA page above, "None of the other articles have it so it needs to be discussed if ever brought back." Thank you. --阿pp (talk) 05:05, 5 August 2021 (UTC) On 6 Aug the situation got worse. User:Horse Eye's Back added more out-of-portion negative information to the section and removed a neutral politics statement (political leaders sent congratulation to the team). I no long assume him with good faith and I encourage more editor from this WikiProject take part in this discussion. --阿pp (talk) 02:31, 7 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @阿pp, I second this and have already found a Wikipedia Page where this section on politics can be moved to. This is the controversies Page for the Tokyo 2020 Summer Olympics. If there are no disagreements, I propose we proceed to shift the content of the politics section to this page and delete it from the China's Nation Summary for the Olympics Atom105 (talk) 12:50, 5 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Support per aboveYeungkahchun (talk) 03:41, 6 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Given the feature coverage in WP:RS I’m not really seeing the "out-of-portion” or “negative” here. Why exactly have you stopped assuming good faith? Also just to be clear I didn’t mean to remove the piece you added from the government site, I’m not sure how that happened, sorry. I’m also curious as to why you took this here instead of trying to resolve it on the talk page, why blank the section and escalate? In theory you should open a talk page discussion before doing either. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 03:12, 7 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The first news of information you added is "Chinese diplomats complain to NBC on coverage of Chinese Taipei/Taiwan", it's related to China, USA, and Taiwan, if you think non-delegation information should be on the nation's page as long as they are related to the nation, why only add the news on the China page? Another one: "A win by Taiwan over China in badminton increased tensions between the two countries". Again, why only add it on China page? "[T]he Embassy of China, London criticized the BBC’s coverage", how about Team GB page? --阿pp (talk) 03:21, 7 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
We can definitely make sections on those pages if the coverage supports it, the coverage we have focuses on China because its Chinese diplomats taking action. I would note that our coverage comes from a broad range of reliable sources, it is certainly due coverage. Note that I did add it to China–United Kingdom relations[15]. Anytime a superpower talks about grave concerns thats a big deal, especially as its language almost never associated with sports. Also note that the BBC and NBC are corporations not governments, the Chinese state was not criticizing those countries directly so it isn’t really the same thing. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 03:27, 7 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
You see, it is the Chinese diplomats who are taking actions, not China at the 2020 Summer Olympics (THE DELEGATION). Chinese diplomats are taking actions all year around, but they do not somehow suddenly becomes part of the delegation during the Games. The page is not Chinese Government at the 2020 Summer Olympics. Of course those information could be on the China–UK relations page. That is not what I am against. I agree that those news are due coverage, but they do not belong to the page. Also you can see from this very talk page, consistency issue is very important on WikiProject Olympics. We have discussions on whether to add certain kinds of information on all Nations at Olympics page, or remove from all of them. (I am not saying there is some kind of policy or consensus already there, but this is in fact the practice here.) --阿pp (talk) 03:39, 7 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
You think that government-related information (diplomats) should be on the page, meanwhile you removed a news statement from the Chinese government. I still don't assume you with good faith. --阿pp (talk) 03:52, 7 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, China at the 2020 Summer Olympics... Not "Chinese athletes at the 2020 Summer Olympics.” It wasn’t a news statement, it was a press release from Sun Chunlan’s office and I already said that was a mistake. Perhaps you have such a strong feeling about what the page should be about because you’ve made 625 edits to it (49.7% of all edits)? Horse Eye's Back (talk) 03:55, 7 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Yes I contributed a lot on this page. What's wrong with that? That's pretty normal during the Olympics actually. I am against you not only because you are the only one proposing this idea to add the politics section, but also because you used a totally legal but actually unfair method to your advantage --- you asked for a semi-protection on the page and thus prevented at least two other users against your idea from editing the page, one of them is User:Atom105. I don't think you are a good faith editor, I think you are a troll. --阿pp (talk) 04:02, 7 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Firstly, There is NOTHING wrong with User:阿pp making 625 edits(49.7% of all edits) on China's page. If you checked his Talk Page, 阿pp is from China and he is merely updating the scores for all the events that his countrymen is taking part in. As the events take place over time, the edit will increase after the addition of scores for each event. There is nothing wrong with this. Why are senior wikipedians here(User Zoglophie is also accusing me of massive edits) questioning us when we are making LEGIT edits and updating the Olympic 2020 records!?. You can double check our contributions. We are not vandals. We are doing out part to update the massive amount of results. I have barely started to do citations. There is so much work to do and we are being targeted here for doing many edits??
Secondly, I supported the removal of the politics section of the china page as Sports is Neutral. As 阿pp have said, those comments are not made by the chinese olympics delegation. I have also checked other countries page and there are no such section either. I did find many controversies(with regards to Tokyo 2020 Olympics) in the Page which I linked previously which I believed(and still do) that it's a better section to report the news that is mentioned for the politics part, hence my recommendation.(Disclaimer: I am also not from China. I am from a neutral 3rd country here so please don't think I am supporting 阿pp cuz we are from the same country)
Thirdly, yes the semi-protection did prevented me from updating scores and citation for China's page. but I gotten auto-confirmed rights yesterday to edit semi-protected articles so this is no longer an issue. But this was annoying though previously cuz i update olympic data according to the participants in the event so i go through all countries to update their pages from Rank 1 to the last ranked player. Luckily 阿pp is actively updating china's page or else I have to note down and round about back to re-updated the scores for china again after a few days.
Just FYI edits need to be sourced when they are made, reviewing both of your edit histories it seems that you both regularly make changes and additions without citing a source. Thats generally discouraged. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 05:45, 7 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, i am aware of wikipedia's citation requirement when inputting data. It is not forgotten but the quantity of data being added is staggering. Additionally, if you have checked most NOC olympics pages, nobody is inputting their scores with citation at the moment. However, I have and AM inputting the citations after the finals of a particular event is completed as best as I can.

I have also looked at your Edit Contributions. Instead of criticizing us here, perhaps you can help us to add the citations and update the olympic results too? Many events have ended and their official results can be cited and also needs to be archived. The inputted data also needs to be double-checked against the official results for consistency. There is so many things to do and yet you have not edited a single Tokyo Olympics 2020 article(besides this china page politics issue) but you are commenting here on the rest of our efforts for the olympics. Atom105 (talk) 06:41, 7 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
If you’re aware of our citation requirements and purposefully ignoring them in BLP contexts then you’re being actively disruptive, theres no excuse for that. Wikipedia is not a race, it is not news, and there is no deadline, slow down and do the bare minimum that is required of you per policy and guidelines. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 15:26, 7 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
As per HaeB's advice. I an stopping any further discussions on this part Atom105 (talk) 16:21, 7 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I would like to encourage participants of this discussion to base their arguments on Wikipedia policies and guidelines rather than on personal opinions and attacks on other editors.
Specifically, 阿pp's ask to declare political aspects "off topic" instead of having the article reflect all significant views that have been published by reliable sources on the topic is in clear contradiction to WP:NPOV, and their blanket deletion here of all such RS coverage has resulted in that article violating NPOV. Regards, HaeB (talk) 15:34, 7 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Hi HaeB, can i have some clarification then with regards to updating wikipedia articles for the olympics. Is is NOT ALLOWED for us to update the scores/data first and then thereafter add in the Citations at a later date? I ask this because this is being done by many wikipedians(besides me) on each countries's NOC olympic page. Is everyone of us doing it wrong? or am I being singled out because i was the one who brought this up here? Atom105 (talk) 15:56, 7 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Atom105, in case it's helpful, I agree with the two experienced editors who answered your question about the same issue over at the Teahouse by confirming that what Horse Eye's Back said is correct and advising that "You are being asked to do things correctly, and instead of being very tired of it, you should be grateful for the advice". Regard, HaeB (talk) 22:14, 7 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Hi @HaeB:@Horse Eye's Back:I have just read and understood the viewpoint of all of you experienced editors(including the Teahouse editors). But I wish to do an addendum here that I am not lying when I say everyone is doing it. Please check the contributions pages for Japan, United States and Russia(ROC) as examples(FYI, The other countries pages are also the same). As a new wikipedian, my first exemplar will be to follow what other wikipedians here are doing. I have no idea that what they are doing(i.e. updating articles without citation) is incorrect. While I understand it now, I wish to add that I did all these with the best of intentions and no malice was intended nor did I intended to lie. Atom105 (talk) 22:58, 7 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Pay attention to the article name China at the 2020 Summer Olympics. Are those Chinese diplomats complaining NBC or BBC at the Games? They are complaining about TV coverage. Are this page China at the 2020 Summer Olympics and other Nations page related to TV coverage at all? I assume most, if not all, WikiProject Olympics editors would agree that in this title China at the 2020 Summer Olympics, China clearly refers to the Chinese Olympic Delegation, the Athletes and the Chinese Olympic Committee, not the Chinese government, hence news related to Chinese diplomats belong to somewhere else. So prove me wrong.
@HaeB:, I see you are referring to this edit, I would like to refer to a earlier "blanket deletion" if I may quote you. The only one news item related to the Chinese delegation was deliberately removed, leaving only negative news towards the Chinese government. Is this what you called NPOV? Seriously? You think that editor has good faith?
Also, on the Manual of Style, it states that those "Nations at Games" pages are "articles describing the results obtained by the competitors of a specific National Olympic Committee (henceforth referred simply as "nation") at an edition of the Olympic Games or Paralympic Games. " Is that still not clear enough? --阿pp (talk) 16:49, 7 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
It wasn’t deliberately removed, I’ve told you multiple times that it was an accident. You need to review WP:AGF. Also again it was a press release not a news piece. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 17:46, 7 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
That was super weird. I added in a full proper reply and clicked publish yet somehow most of my message didn't get shown. So now have to rewrite what I tried to add in the first time. And copy my text before clicking publish.

My take was basically that there shouldn't be doubles standards here. Chinese diplomats also mentioned Simone Biles and what great sportsmanship she did. And also mocked on how American media uses a self serving weird medal table. Can we add that in or just narrowly focus only on the hostile diplomatic responses only? If so, the section can be endless and overwhelm the article with match outcomes and people outside the Olympic delegation. You cannot add every single topic just because it's related.

Otherwise why not add in a Politics section for all other countries too? Why not add in a politics section to America and talk about what their politicians said about Simone Biles? It's also very significant and relevant. But we don't because it overcrowds and takes away the original purpose of such articles. Which is to basically to track medals, the number of people in the delegation and a brief summary of the delegation.

If you want to write paragraghs about what Chinese diplomats say. Make a new dedicated article. Because this page is about the Chinese Olympic delegation..also fyi, WP:NPOV is pushing sensationalised info. "A win by Taiwan over China in badminton increased tensions between the two countries.?? - That press release made it seem like the whole country had issues with Taiwanese badminton players. But they were talking only about Chinese trolls. Not government officials or even the majority of people in China for trolling those Taiwanese badminton players after that one match. It would be grossly unbalanced to claim that a handful of Chinese trolls is the whole country. 49.180.228.204 (talk) 21:12, 7 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I largely agree with the anonymous editor above. A section about politics, controversies, criticisms and reception in the respective country could be added to the pages - but it probably shouldn't. See WP:CSECTION. There's the Concerns and controversies at the 2020 Summer Olympics, and most controversies and criticism should probably be directed there instead of on the individual countries' pages. The manual of style, while needing an update, is still what we should be following and there is no 'politics' section or anything like it on that. Kaffe42 (talk) 21:51, 7 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
That's a serious misinterpretation of WP:CSECTION - it actually explicitly recommends "Reception" type sections, in direct contradiction to your claim.
And the fact that some outdated Wikiproject style page does not explicitly list a certain section title among its generic list of recommended (not: mandated) standard section does not at all allow us to violate core Wikipedia content policies, such as the requirement to reflect "all the significant views that have been published by reliable sources on a topic." Regards, HaeB (talk) 22:29, 7 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
But after reading through the topics at Concerns and controversies at the 2020 Summer Olympics, The politic issue flagged above is similarly a controversy. Why is it not appropriate to move the politics section in the china page to Concerns and controversies at the 2020 Summer Olympics instead? or is it your views that a See Also page(at the china page politic section) to Concerns and controversies at the 2020 Summer Olympics on the China page is more appropriate? Atom105 (talk) 23:07, 7 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Which political issue? There are a considerable number of them. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 00:10, 8 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
As I was saying. Can you imagine putting a Politics section in America Olympic page and putting 4 large paragraphs on what politicians are saying about the issue on Simone Biles or what they say about transgender weightlifters? You don't put it in as the page is simply for the medal count, names of athletes and a short summary of the country. There has to be a universal standard or as another said, 'manual of style' for all class of wiki pages and not have double standards for one country.49.180.228.204 (talk) 03:34, 8 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
If thats how its framed in the WP:RS then of course I would support putting a politics section on the America Olympic page as I would support it being added to any page if the coverage justified it. Your argument against double standards is a straw man, nobody here is arguing for one. Would you prefer that if the coverage is of just one sport that the information be included under that sport instead of a dedicated politics or responses section? Horse Eye's Back (talk) 15:42, 8 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@HaeB: You mentioned twice "all the significant views that have been published by reliable sources on a topic". Let's figure out what is the article's topic, and what can be included as significant views of that topic. My understanding is that the topic is about the delegation's performance and activities at the Games, and significant views of the topic might include: 1. Is the delegation performing well or bad? 2. Is there some activities against Olympic regulations going on? 3. Are some athletes doping? On the other hand, information like "China's officials or other personnel complain about another delegation" has more reason to fit in the said delegation's page as it's more related to their topic. For example, one removed item goes "A win by Taiwan over China in badminton increased tensions between the two countries. Tensions between China and Taiwan over the Olympics has also resulted in increased calls in Taiwan to rename their Olympic team." Yes, it reflects a significant view that have been published by reliable sources on a topic, but what topic exactly, the topic of the China page, or the topic of Taiwan Page, or the topic of Controversy Page? From the very beginning I have never said those items have source issues, all I said is that those are off topic on China page and they should belong to somewhere else. --阿pp (talk) 03:47, 8 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Also lastly, I don't see why you cannot just move the politics section in the china page to Concerns and controversies at the 2020 Summer Olympics. It seems like the ideal place already for those kinds of topics. China rejecting Taiwanese independence was never even new. Japanese politicians joking about the Holocaust or Republicans attacking Simone Biles. That's new yet not shown at all in the America or japaneae olympic 2020 page as the page isn't supposed to be focused on controversy by what diplomats have said for every issue during the games. That belongs to Concerns and controversies at the 2020 Summer Olympics where controversial issues like Simone Bile, Chinese trolls, transgender weightlifters are already added there.49.180.228.204 (talk) 04:14, 8 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Suggestion: Changing the Medals by sport table format

After a consensus was reached to include the Medals by sport table only for NOCs with more than 10 medals and at least 1 sport with more than 1 medal, I'd like to suggest a change to the table's format:

The new format uses less text and is sortable without using more of the page's width.
In addition, the sports names are highlighted and aligned to the left for an easier read.
Thoughts? Deancarmeli (talk) 11:54, 6 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I had though to try something like that but hadn't got around to it. The left align is a good idea and does bring things more in line with every other table on these pages. My only suggestion would be to get rid of that second line for the sorting buttons. Yes, it does make each column a bit wider, but only marginally so and looks less confusing. Also, I'd make the Sport and Total header cells the usual #efefef header cell color. Torlek (talk) 15:13, 6 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
A good idea. But i would not bold the text when we use a "!", makes it look clumsy and fat. Now if we use the bold or the "!" is to each their own i guess, i like to go with the "!". Kante4 (talk) 16:00, 6 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Looks good except the bolded words:
Medals by sport
Sport 1st place, gold medalist(s) 2nd place, silver medalist(s) 3rd place, bronze medalist(s) Total
 
Athletics 0 0 1 1
Boxing 0 0 1 1
Canoeing 2 0 1 3
Cycling 1 0 2 3
Diving 0 0 1 1
Equestrian 0 1 1 2
Field hockey 0 1 0 1
Rowing 2 0 2 4
Sailing 2 0 0 2
Skateboarding 1 0 0 1
Surfing 0 0 1 1
Swimming 9 3 9 21
Tennis 0 0 1 1
Volleyball 0 1 0 1
Total 17 6 20 43
Why is it needed since I feel it looks cleaner without? Fyunck(click) (talk) 18:55, 6 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I support this new format. I.e. The latest table just above User Fyunck's comments. It looks cleaner and more readable. There is no need to bold the sports categories(as shown). But as the tables tend to float by itself on the right hand side of the NOC pages normally, wouldn't it be better to encapsulate the Title "Medals by sport" inside the table? Atom105 (talk) 05:05, 7 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Atom105:: The title is a part of the table. See the |+ section.
If you guys do prefer the version without highlighted sports names, I'll suggest this left version, that looks like the one above but with a slightly slimmer code, the the right one that is a bit fancier a version:
I do still think that the addition of the sorting buttons row is worth is worth it, having the table narrower than otherwise. Deancarmeli (talk) 12:38, 7 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I think the number should be 3 sports and at least 5 medals, to create the table. 10 is too much to not have a table. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 15:15, 7 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
You're in the wrong discussion, buddy. Deancarmeli (talk) 15:39, 7 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Yes the latest Left table looks good enough now. Understood that the title is still inside the table so I am fine with it. Also ok with the sorting buttons for users who wish to toggle and see their preferred results Atom105 (talk) 16:19, 7 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Venezuela at the 2020 Summer Olympics

Venezuela at the 2020 Summer Olympics
Would like some opinion on this page; another user has added quite a lot of information that I feel is unnecessary or best suited on the individual athletes pages. It makes the page very busy and hard to read. But I don't see anything in the manual of style about this. Chantella28 (talk) 13:48, 6 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The manual of styles do probably need updating, and I think we should start a discussion for that at some point after these Olympics and Paralympics, seeing how there's many discussions about formats, tables, etc. Regarding the Venezuela article, I can definitely see what you mean. The 'Athletics' section is very messy and in need of cleanup, but the descriptions themselves aren't that bad imo. They explain the content of the result tables, which is always ideal. There are some confusing paragraphs here and there, and some really weird formatting, but a cleanup should fix all that. If the intention of the "country at the xxxx olympics" pages are to only act as a list of results, nearly all of the written text on the Venezuela page should be removed. But if it's more of an overview of that country's performances in the games, I think the Venezuela page is a good example of how that could be done (keeping in mind that a cleanup is needed). In general I think it's pretty solid work from whoever is doing it. But this is definitely a topic open to discussion. Kaffe42 (talk) 17:15, 6 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
That's me. You could ping me since I come here sometimes (or just as a courtesy anyway). I've been working on the various Venezuela Olympic articles for a few years, actually, from first (1948) onward (but obviously it was easy/relevant to handle the current edition now). There aren't really any Olympic style guides, I checked before expanding the first one, but these articles are intended as complete overviews. If you look through the Good and Featured "COUNTRY at YEAR Olympics" articles, you will see they generally have much more text (per event) than I have included here. Also consider that if you only want results tables, well, the articles would be unnecessary, as they would merely duplicate information from the year's "EVENT at YEAR Olympics" articles. And it would be a list article, too, a different scope. The article's fine to have significant information (it could also be argued that excessive detail of one competition in a whole career would be excessive at the bios instead), having text has always been encouraged (even list articles like context); you're free to help improve the text if readability is your issue, but at the moment I've just been trying to get everything in there. Kingsif (talk) 22:51, 7 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Total athletes

Hi all. Per the main article, 11,090 athletes are expected to compete. Doing a very quick count of the pages in Category:Competitors at the 2020 Summer Olympics, there are currently 9,617 athletes on WP for the 2020 Games, or about 87% coverage. I think the vast majority of "missing" articles simply aren't in their category. Big thanks to everyone who has being creating articles and adding the categories during the games. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 19:05, 6 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Now at 10,769 athletes (97%). Big thanks to @Edgars2007: who's been prolific at adding the categories. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 12:49, 7 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion at Wikipedia talk:In the news § The next Olympics: Appropriate article target(s) for ongoing items and other questions

 You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:In the news § The next Olympics: Appropriate article target(s) for ongoing items and other questions. {{u|Sdkb}} talk 22:56, 7 August 2021 (UTC)Template:Z48[reply]

At CfD: Category:Athletes (track and field) at the (Year) Summer Olympics

Hi. Please see this discussion. Thanks. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 07:23, 8 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

OLY postnominals

Hoofjr has added OLY postnominals to names of a couple of Olympians e.g. Sky Brown. According to the article OLY, these are postnominals created by the World Olympians Association in 2017. My question is: should we be adding them to articles for Olympians? To me, they seem like a made up thing that isn't used in sources. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:38, 8 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Joseph2302 Thank you for bringing this up. Just to defend my actions, the OLY postnominals have been used on other Olympians which made me look into it further. After looking at some articles and seeing that some Olympians haven't got them on their profiles on wikipedia I started to add them. Also, they aren't made up as the official Olympic Committee sanctioned them to be used. I believe that all Olympians should get as much recognition as possible. Hoofjr (talk) 11:48, 8 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I don't see the problem. It's no more made up than PHD, OBE, MD, or any other postnominals. --SuperJew (talk) 12:27, 8 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Hoofjr: @Joseph2302: Caution. I did some research and find that although the WOA is endorsed by the IOC, the OLY postnominal is not an automatic certification. An Olympian (an athlete who took part in the Olympics) has to proactively apply for the OLY postnominal here. Therefore, The OLY postnominals on Olympians' pages require reliable sources to prove that the Olympian indeed applied for OLY and succeeded. Adding OLY to Sky Brown seems incorrect as I didn't find any source saying that she applied. --阿pp (talk) 12:41, 8 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

阿pp Thank you for your input, just to clarify then. If there is evidence of the Olympian applying for OLY, then we can add it for them. Is that correct, if so I shall remove it for those I have added it to and just add it to those who I find who have applied?Hoofjr (talk) 12:45, 8 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Hoofjr: Yes, as long as there are reliable sources to prove it, because it's the WOA that gives out OLY, not Wikipedia. We can't make things up. I just want to make sure that you and other fellow editors understand that an athlete does not automatically become an OLY by participating in the Games or winning Olympic Medals. --阿pp (talk) 12:49, 8 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, but adding them to the lead sentence of articles seems quite trivial. Most people with OBE's also don't have them attached to the lead. Sure it can be mentioned with a source in prose but not after their name in the lead. Someone mentioned it could be like PHD, but people like Albert Einstein don't have a PHD after their name. It's mentioned that it was awarded but it isn't a postnominal. Fyunck(click) (talk) 18:52, 8 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I have seen plenty have postnominals added in the lede. For example: David Beckham, Stanley Matthews, Maggie Smith, Judi Dench, Usain Bolt, James Herriot, Hugh Jackman to name a few. --SuperJew (talk) 19:05, 8 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Just because you can doesn't mean that they should. Fyunck(click) (talk) 03:59, 9 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Marcell Jacobs sudden popularity led to too much confusion in the article

I created the article year ago and kept it until before the Olympics following the rules of Wikipedia:WikiProject Athletics and the Wikipedia:WikiProject Athletics/Manual of Style/Biographies. Now I will arrange the article step by step according to the MOS of the project and detailing every single change in the "edit summary" of the article after each modification. But I'll go into more detail on my edits, explaining its, in this section.

  1. In the MOS first goes the biography section (which eventually includes the career section) and then the statistics section. --Kasper2006 (talk) 21:51, 8 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  2. World, European and National records need a specific section in the Statistics section. --Kasper2006 (talk) 21:55, 8 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Also national titles need a specific section in the Statistics section. --Kasper2006 (talk) 22:06, 8 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Add Others international meetings section (why national meetings and not Diamond League?) --Kasper2006 (talk) 22:06, 8 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Olympic diplomas

On the Mexico at the 2020 Summer Olympics, a new "Olympic diplomas" was added on 6 August, after having been first posted on the talk page, but without soliciting or attracting any discussion. It has since been the subject of an edit war, which has removed and restored it several times. While I do not believe such sections exist on any other pages, but Olympic diploma does has its own page confirming the practice.

Question for discussion: Should the section be allowed in the article, even if not part of the typical "<country> in the <yyyy> <Summer/Winter> Olympics" article layout?

I remain neutral. -- Tom N talk/contrib 22:22, 8 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I do not think it should be included. Coverage of the event doesn't say "x finished in 6th and earned a diploma" for ex. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 22:36, 8 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I want to remind everyone that "Olympic diplomas" are issued to all athletes finished 1st to 8th, including the medalists. In other words, they partially overlap with medalists, and the table added and removed on Mexico at the 2020 Summer Olympics contains only 4th (or 5th) to 8th, which is technically incorrect and incomplete. --阿pp (talk) 04:11, 9 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

URGENT:How to do mass edit of citations

Hi, I noticed a User from this project(Sahil0411)(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Sahil0411) adding citations as manual links to over 500+ edits of olympic 2020 articles. An example of his edit is at this Page I was just informed at Teahouse that this is not an appropriate way of citation. Is there a way to amend a group of this citations at the same time or must we manually go to every edit to re-edit and create the proper normal citations(i.e. [1])? Thanks! Atom105 Talk 13:49, 9 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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