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Lunafreya Nox Fleuret

Hi. I've just created an article for the FFXV character Lunafreya Nox Fleuret. There was an article created for her before the game's release which was swiftly deleted, and I wasn't thinking of creating one now, but due to finding a lot of information surrounding her creation and portrayal in addition to at least some commentary on her reception (and seeing other GA-status FF character articles with less content), I decided to create her own article. I'm planning on taking the article to GA in the near future, but want other opinions as to whether it passes notability. If it doesn't I'll happily merge it back into the main character article. --ProtoDrake (talk) 16:54, 3 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Wow, the article is already over 40k in size, and everything is sourced, so I'd be completely shocked if there wasn't enough to meet the GNG. Nice work! Sergecross73 msg me 17:06, 3 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The article size seems neat already just by seeing it. Don't know too much about the other XV characters but the other ones already have similarly big receptions as Square released DLCs for them which resulted in more creation and reception information in the process. I am aware of the problems with Noctis' prose which led to make a copyedit request once I finished expanding the reception section.Tintor2 (talk) 20:57, 5 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Steam Deck as a platform

Should we be adding Steam Deck to the platforms in {{Infobox video game}}? Or would this be a form of emulation, and therefore inappropriate? I haven't found any prior discussion about this, and I've started to see it pop up in articles.--十八 21:32, 5 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I'd say no. A lot of games can run on Steam Deck even without special tweaking. It would either go under Linux, or be a form of Windows emulation. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 21:52, 5 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Agree with the above. Don't think it counts as a platform in and of itself, more as something to be noted as having compatibility with. --ProtoDrake (talk) 21:55, 5 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
No, it'd still just be PC. Sergecross73 msg me 22:54, 5 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I'm going to say no it's not a platform. It's really just a mobile PC that runs Steam OS. I don't think i would really consider Emulation but it's definitely not it's own platform. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 00:11, 6 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Games on Steam Deck are either Linux native or Windows versions running on Proton. It's not a separate platform. Valve has even said it does not expect Steam Deck exclusive games due to this reason. --Masem (t) 00:22, 6 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with those who say it doesn't need to be separated out as a new "platform". The article is fine as a technology that supports a version of Linux, plus whatever hacks are out there. Shooterwalker (talk) 02:06, 7 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Opinions on move discussion at Talk:Full-motion video

It would be good to see more participation on this discussion regardless of the outcome, I'd just be interested in seeing what other people think on the subject. It seems there are 2 almost redundant articles on this. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 16:56, 6 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Draft:Minecraft Clone

The Article will be live in 2 minutes. - KaptianKharisma (talk) 23:53, 7 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It's been declined twice, and rightfully so. It's not ready. Sergecross73 msg me 23:58, 7 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

New Articles (February 28 to March 6)

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Wh-why did someone recreate Homebrew Channel? I highly doubt it's notable enough to have its own article. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 01:11, 8 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Sergecross73: Pinging since they were the last person to turn into a redirect. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 01:14, 8 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I've boldly restored it, as it was done by the same guy who just got his Minecraft draft rejected twice. (See section above.) I don't think they have a good grasp on policy yet... Sergecross73 msg me 01:18, 8 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Sergecross73: If you hadn't done it I would've done it myself. It's tempting to request semi-protection since it keeps getting recreated (salt protection won't work since it's already created). ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 01:23, 8 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
KaptianKharisma appears to be a block evasion for TzarN64. They're both brand new editors with an editing focus on Wii and wrestling video games. I left them a note on Kaptian's talk page to maybe head off a larger situation in the making. Axem Titanium (talk) 05:10, 8 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Axem Titanium: You were right. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 14:01, 8 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Axem Titanium and Sergecross73: Checkuser confirmed and blocked. Clean up as needed. -- ferret (talk) 14:03, 8 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I've requested G5 speedy on the files they uploaded (which would've been deleted anyways). They created a few redirects but those seem relatively harmless (mainly just lowercase of another redirect), and redirects are cheap. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 14:19, 8 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
User:Ferret, thanks for the help on this. Is TzarN64 able to edit their own talk page to request an unblock under their current block settings? I hope they at least have this one avenue to potentially become a productive wikicitizen, rather than become a serial block evader who will badger the project perennially. Axem Titanium (talk) 19:59, 8 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
They are not talk page revoked on any of the three accounts. -- ferret (talk) 23:46, 8 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
On another topic, whenever I see "MumboJumbo games" I always think of the Youtuber MumboJumbo, only to remember there's a company completely unrelated to him with the same name. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 01:51, 8 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
After-the-fact update: I've finally fixed the bug re-reported last week that articles that are 'created' by being moved out of User or Draft space, if they had originally been made a while ago, were getting tagged like "(newly tagged - originally created 29 days ago)". In the process, I've added a new feature, so articles like that now get their own tag: "(was previously a draft)" or "(was previously a userpage)", with a similar "moved out x days ago" if the talk page tag lagged significantly behind the page move. I attribute these articles to the original creator, since the pagemover if different is usually an AFC helper. --PresN 03:02, 8 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@PresN: This is such a minor change that I wouldn't have noticed if you hadn't said this, and yet it's still a good feature. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 03:06, 8 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The level that you're willing to go to fix even minor quibbles that we see on this is absolutely impressive. Thank you so much for continuing to maintain this throughout the years. Nomader (talk) 06:13, 10 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. Why it was no means necessary, it is more accurate now. The glitch usually affected my stuff, as most of my creations start off as user drafts and aren't published until I have time to develop it further down the line. Sergecross73 msg me 21:19, 10 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Stand-alone character class articles

I recently prodded the new article Death Knight (character class), which, unsurprisingly, was removed. I'll likely take it to AfD, but I wanted to have a larger discussion about the articles in Category:Character classes. Are (most of) these subjects really notable enough to warrant their own articles? Most of the content on just about all of them are unsourced, and most of the sources that are being used are poor (e.g. Assassin (character class) not a single source in the article could be used for GNG). Should most of these articles be merged/redirected? – Pbrks (t • c) 16:33, 9 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I believe they should (entirely?) be merged into Character class. The D&D ones should all similarly be merged into Character class (Dungeons & Dragons). (I honestly think that should be outright deleted, but my AfD on that one failed several years ago). ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 17:00, 9 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Probably a merge is the path of least resistance. A lot of the character class stuff I think is prevalent and understood in a colloquial sense, but doesn't seem to have any rigorous sourcing behind it to actually suggest notability, let alone writing a decent article on it. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs talk 17:05, 9 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict) Concepts like "Healer" or "Tank" are fine but they shouldn't really be in this category (Character class doesn't even mention these). But everything like Warrior or Shaman are a pile of WP:SYNTH and WP:OR at the moment, in my opinion. Just because there are similarities, doesn't automatically make them the same thing across games regardless of influence and intention. Reliable sources should describe these first specifically discussing multiple unrelated games. I don't see a single source across any of these article that talks about more than a single game. —  HELLKNOWZ ∣ TALK 17:12, 9 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Agree a merge in a list in Character Class is fully appropriate. High level archetypes are fine here. --Masem (t) 17:15, 9 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox video game, credit fields

A discussion was opened about credit titles at Template talk:Infobox video game#Staff precedence. I've proposed restricting the fields to notable individuals (blue linkable), or, eliminating the various fields altogether for a "notable personnel" field. Please discuss at the template. -- ferret (talk) 17:44, 9 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Wii Chess Image

I have a screenshot of wii chess that you can use on the wii chess article TheSecondComing10 (talk) 19:06, 10 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Please upload your content to Wikimedia Commons for usage in articles. PerryPerryD 20:00, 10 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@PerryPerryD: What? No! That definitely DOES NOT belong on commons since it's from Wii Chess which means it would be copyrighted and not permissible. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 20:12, 10 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Hm? Im confused then, how do screenshots get uploaded to wikipedia? PerryPerryD 20:13, 10 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Blaze Wolf PerryPerryD 20:15, 10 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@PerryPerryD: Not through Commons. I can't remember how but it locally uploads the image to enWiki only. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 20:15, 10 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, Thank you for letting me know, (No wonder my aqua aqua screenshot got deleted) PerryPerryD 20:16, 10 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
by the way @Blaze Wolf, The second coming 10 got deactivated shortly after posting this, They made several edits and all of them got reverted. So i would not advise using this screenshot in any instance. PerryPerryD 20:18, 10 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@PerryPerryD: I wasn't going to anyways. Especially not because it was uploaded to a file hosting service so they could've uploaded anything, including a virus. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 20:21, 10 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I deleted the URL to the file hosting service. David notMD (talk) 20:24, 10 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
For uploading copyrighted or other non-free content, you have to do so locally through the Upload Wizard and fill out all required fields. Commons is a sister project that's exclusively for people to upload free images made by them for anyone to use. However, this user is right in the context of "the article needs a gameplay image". I'll upload one now. Panini! • 🥪 20:26, 10 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
they say wikipedia is this big project but i have seen literally all of you before. PerryPerryD 20:33, 10 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@PerryPerryD: IT is a very big project. However this is a single Wikiproject. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 20:37, 10 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
True, true. PerryPerryD 20:38, 10 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
This may be because Blaze and I are both frequent in video game and newcomer related projects. You may see some overlap every once in a while :) Panini! • 🥪 20:41, 10 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
we really gave a toasted sandwich the ability to edit wikipedia didnt we PerryPerryD 20:46, 10 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@PerryPerryD: Not any worse than giving a wolf the ability to edit Wikipedia. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 20:49, 10 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Or a whatever the heck a dejekyll is casualdejekyll 00:12, 11 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I would recommend using the local Wikipedia upload tool and then using the Template:Non-free use rationale video game screenshot to justify the image. Basically, if you are trying to upload a "non-free" image, you can upload it to en.wiki, but not to Commons. When you upload it to en.wiki, you just need to justify why it qualifies as fair use under U.S. copyright law, which is what the template will help you do. DocFreeman24 (talk) 06:00, 11 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

NFCC or VGBOX?

Hello! I'm here to ask a simple question, does WP:NFCC override the preference for box art as described in WP:VGBOX? ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 01:19, 11 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

In what way? It'd probably be easier to give an answer if you explained what spurred this question? Sergecross73 msg me 02:35, 11 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Genshin Impact. A user is changing the image to the cover art for the game and another user is reverting it back to what's currently there per WP:NFCC (which I agree with as the current image is a free alternative and therefore the cover art is not allowed). ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 02:37, 11 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
There is also a edit waring report regarding the cover art Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring#User:Neocorelight reported by User:Awesome Aasim (Result: ) and a deltion discussion by thae reported editor trying to delete the logo currently in use Wikipedia:Files for discussion/2022 March 10#File:Genshin Impact logo.svg. This seems like a bit of a mess.--65.93.195.118 (talk) 04:36, 11 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Blaze, read MOS:LEADIMAGE and ask yourself if the plain text logo is satisfactory enough to fulfill the purpose of the lead image. I don't think it is. TarkusABtalk/contrib 08:02, 11 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Agree with TarkusAB. A logo might be a good lead image for a series article but for an individual game the cover is almost always a better identifier. I don't think the non-free/free argument should be the primary motivator in this case. Salavat (talk) 13:11, 11 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
NFCC1, NFCC3, and NFCC8 in this case are relevant. I also have other examples of cases where we use the logos since those suffice for identification - Dance Dance Revolution is one of those. Specifically, we do not use the entire cover if parts will suffice. At the same time, we don't go extracting the logo from the cover ourselves. We already have a free alternative for the Genshin Impact cover - the logo itself is so iconic that people can recognize what the game is right away. Aasim - Herrscher of Wikis 17:05, 11 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The NFCC is one of those policies that is non-negotiable because of the legal implications surrounding it. The Genshin Impact logo is not a "plain text" logo, but a specific arrangement of letters in a specific style and formatting with geometric shapes added to it. Not enough to meet the threshold of originality in the US and so in the public domain and thus considered "free" for Wikipedia's purpose. Although enough to be above the threshold of originality in China.
In fact as soon as you get permission from the copyright holder to release the image under a free commercial license, NFCC no longer applies. Aasim - Herrscher of Wikis 17:18, 11 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Not every reader knows what Genshin Impact is. I don't. A cover art with characters and art is more helpful to get an understanding of the topic. Let's not sacrifice that in an attempt to avoid entirely hypothetical and trivial legal issue which have no precedence of occurring anyways. We use thousands of non-free covers and no one is complaining. TarkusABtalk/contrib 19:15, 11 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I have to agree with this sentiment. I can only speak for myself, but when I see a logo in a video game-related infobox, my first thought is that the article is about a franchise or series, and not a singular game. – Pbrks (t • c) 19:46, 11 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I mean, we could use both the logo and cover art, that is how some articles like Seven Dwarfs Mine Train works. With a non-free logo and a free image. (Oinkers42) (talk) 19:47, 11 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
(ec) The discussion at hand is misspecified. It's not a choice between a cover and a logo in the infobox. It's between a non-free cover and a free logo+non-free character image somewhere else in the article. Both options include one non-free image so most of the NFCC arguments are mooted. To the extent that the cover adequately displays the major characters and obviates the need for an additional character image (I know very little about Genshin), I support including the cover. Axem Titanium (talk) 19:51, 11 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
If you guys want my two cents, I would say that using a cover art is more helpful and visually attractive for the article, as it conveys the game's world and characters. Roberth Martinez (talk) 20:25, 11 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, a video game cover is more visually attractive, but no, it does not always meet Wikipedia:Non-free content criteria or fair use. Visual appeal does not make a video game cover meet NFCC8.
Take the lead image for something like Windows 11. I know this is not a video game, but it conveys important information that cannot be put into words. It shows what the operating system looks like, and specifically what makes this different from a different version of Windows. For Genshin Impact, the cover, on its own, does not convey that this is an open-world RPG. A screenshot of the video game would be needed anyway for someone to understand how the game truly works.
And I feel like you may be missing the point - the manual of style is not policy but describes generally agreed on best practices/guidelines for a specific situation. Copyright and NFCC are policies with legal implications, which means we must be extremely conservative when handling these situations. Violations of legal policies can and does result in a block from editing to protect the site. Aasim - Herrscher of Wikis 21:52, 11 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
In fact WP:VGBOX is missing a lot of context on its own, one section above that is WP:VGIMAGES, which states that image use must also satisfy the all points of the core policy: Wikipedia:Non-free content criteria which has greater limitations on the use of non-free images than US law requires. Any and all non-free images must meet the NFCC, including video game covers and screenshots. Aasim - Herrscher of Wikis 22:04, 11 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Neocorelight here, I'm logging out because seeing the notifications is stressing me out. Aasim insisted to use the logo because he believes it is a free "alternative" to cover arts. I do not think logos are alternatives or equivalent to covers at all, they're not proper visual identifier because they do not show art or image for the game. There are almost a thousand free video game logos on Wikimedia Commons, and English WP articles don't use those because of this and WP:VGBOX. 182.1.106.220 (talk) 23:14, 11 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
So here are my first impressions of Genshin Impact and its relation to MOS:LEADIMAGE. I actually thought that lead image was the box art for it, but then I learned the game has no physical release. I looked it up on the PlayStation store, saw 4 characters, but I'm not sure if those are the same characters. Honestly, there wasn't a logo on PSN, this could've been anything else. So the only consistent promotional piece is the logo.[1][2]Promo piece not on the homepage
Honestly, that promotional piece screams waifu-generic. It screams please play this free-to-play game with harem-suggestive art. It screams anime art brought to you by Google AdSense. While we could use different artwork, I feel these free-to-play games tend to have bad or misleading artwork. BOTW's box tells me open-world. This doesn't. League of Legends (free-to-play) seems fine without one. « Ryūkotsusei » 04:37, 12 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Ryūkotsusei Kind of agree, kind of disagree. I would not object to the usage of the game artwork if there was no better alternative; but there is, and it is one that is free (in the United States). I am not sure if it is just me, but I feel like the NFCC criteria are listed in order of importance. NFCC1 makes it clear that non-free works (be it cover art, logos, screenshots, etc.) are not to be used if there is a free alternative available. This would automatically disqualify use of the cover artwork since the purpose of identification of the game can be done through the game's logo. They also fail NFCC3 since even if the cover art was not free, the logo (which is already present on the website) is only a part of the image, and would serve the same purpose of identification as the entire cover. (Hence my revert from the Honkai Impact 3rd cover back to just the logo.) NFCC8 means that the item must significantly increase a reader's understanding of a topic. A non-free game logo, while it does not on its own help increase a reader's understanding of the topic, tells the reader that they are looking at the right page. A cover art might fulfill the same criteria as NFCC8 but it would fail NFCC3. I have already said that Genshin Impact, with over 80 million downloads, is such an iconic free to play game that even someone who has never heard of the game could identify the logo and see "yes, this is the right place".
On another note, I was wondering if it would be appropriate to move this discussion to a wider forum like Wikipedia:Media copyright questions or Wikipedia:Village pump (policy). The reason is as this is a WikiProject page, this is almost certainly just going to get input from members of WikiProject video games (unless if an RfC is opened). I am taking a conservative stance because copyright is a serious issue, and uploading something copyrighted to Wikipedia is not something to be done liberally. Aasim - Herrscher of Wikis 05:52, 12 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Aasim, the amount of words you have sunk into this thread is approaching WP:STICK levels. Open an RFC if you really insist, but do not go forum shopping. As I pointed out above, replacing the box art with a logo does not actually reduce the total number of non-free images because losing the box art would warrant adding a new non-free image that depicts the characters and art style. Another 800 word essay isn't likely to convince anyone here otherwise. Axem Titanium (talk) 12:12, 12 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
He's got a point. With everyone so gung-ho to claim that logos are pretty much all PD-text and throwing up vectorized versions, if you have a free-to-use logo that identifies the game, the argument that you need a separate non-free element of the key art (that not having it would significantly harm readers' understanding of the topic) is weakened. And frankly, our insistence that you have to have a cover is pretty spurious as is. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs talk 15:48, 13 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Axem Titanium I think I have said most of everything I need to say anyway. :) Taking a look of the comments more clearly, I think there were a few things I was missing from here (given I am a Genshin player and I noticed a comment about the characters). So I am going to add that here in this last portion and then I will have said everything kek
The game cover (now deleted) uploaded only has a few characters of the 40+ characters there are. The main character (Aether/Lumine) is not even on there. In terms of artwork, the only thing used to consistently market Genshin is the launcher art, which is used before releasing every major version.
I took a couple of days from this thread to see what would happen here, it is wonderful to see all this (even somewhat heated) debate. I think feeling misinterpreted can be a bit frustrating, haha. I think a bigger question to reconsider (where it was asked before in an RfC in 2010-2012, see the footnote of Wikipedia:NFCI, but context matters greatly; in 2012 people were still buying out flashcarts and game CDs, now we have video games that are distributed solely through the cloud or online marketplace) is when the game cover should be used, when the logo should be used, and which has preference. But that is for a different discussion. Aasim - Herrscher of Wikis 18:55, 14 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Minecraft and SSTV

There's a newly added Minecraft paragraph at slow-scan television, which is unreferenced and poorly written. Does anyone know anything about what that is about? -- 65.92.246.142 (talk) 13:50, 11 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I think it is a real thing as it's relating to MInecraft's 2020 April Fool's update. HOwever I can't really add much to it as that would be WP:OR. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 15:37, 11 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

D.I.C.E. Awards: Main Page Cleanup, More Pages for Annual Ceremonies & Category List Pages

I have noticed that the D.I.C.E. Awards, formerly Interactive Achievement Awards, does not have a list page for the Game of the Year Award. I have noticed that there are individual pages for each of the BAFTA Game Awards Ceremonies and not the D.I.C.E. Awards. If we include the years when it was still called the Interactive Achievement Awards, the D.I.C.E. Awards are one of the longest running annual video game award ceremonies. In addition, the BAFTA Game Awards also individual list pages for each award category. The website for the Academy of Interactive Arts & Sciences, has the complete history all the winners and nominations from each year, under the awards tab. In addition, awards for individuals (Hall of Fame, Lifetime Achievement, Pioneer, and Technical Impact) can be found under the special awards tab.[1]--MR.RockGamer17 (talk) 16:50, 11 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I think there are too many dedicated individual award pages already on Wikipedia (and not just for games, but that's a bigger discussion). The existence of other stuff does not automatically mean that we need this stuff for consistency. Axem Titanium (talk) 20:43, 11 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ "Welcome to the Academy Of Interactive Arts & Sciences". Academy of Interactive Arts & Sciences. Academy of Interactive Arts & Sciences. Retrieved 11 March 2022.

Redirecting sub series articles into Command & Conquer?

Specifically, Command & Conquer: Tiberian series and Command & Conquer: Red Alert (series) don't seem like they should exist on their own and have been fancruft since 2009. Do other people think that these pages should be redirected to the main series article? There doesn't even seem like there is much to merge that is actually cited to something. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 20:22, 12 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Merge. Not to OSE it, but, we don't have separate articles on every COD sub-series. -- ferret (talk) 20:31, 12 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, I have redirected them; people are still free to merge anything from the article history if there is anything relevant that isn't in the main series article. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 02:15, 13 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

N64 technical specifications and programming characteristics

Hello! I came across the articles Nintendo 64 technical specifications and Nintendo 64 programming characteristics through Suggestbot on my talk page. I"m wondering if it would be worthwhile to propose a merge of these articles into their relative sections on Nintendo 64. A lot of it seems like it could really just be summed up in the appropriate sections on the article N64, and also I noticed that no other Nintendo console has these as separate articles (which I know is WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS but might mean that technical specs and programming characteristics generally aren't notable on their own). ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 15:47, 14 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, it appears to be a sort of spin out article that we used to tolerate, but have moved away from? There's also PlayStation 3 technical specifications and Xbox 360 technical specifications, but no Nintendo Switch technical specifications or PlayStation 5 technical specifications. I'm of the mindset that they need merging or deletion, as we rarely have reliable sources that cover them in the proper level of detail. Sergecross73 msg me 16:04, 14 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Alright I"ll go ahead an propose a merge for at least the technical specs article. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 16:59, 14 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
These details were pruned many years ago from the SNES article, as info: Talk:Super_Nintendo_Entertainment_System/Archive_4#Lack_of_technical_specifications_in_the_article. Around the same time, Nintendo Entertainment System technical specifications was redirected as well. -- ferret (talk) 16:16, 14 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I would agree these should be redirected/merged and heavily pruned. We're not a technical manual, and it doesn't really seem like there's proper sources that demonstrate we should have this much info. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs talk 17:04, 14 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I've proposed the merge at Talk:Nintendo 64 ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 17:22, 14 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

New Articles (March 7 to March 13)

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So, I actually made a bunch of changes to the script last week, but waited until now to use them instead of re-running the post (again):

  • Splits – where a page is moved to a new title, leaving a redirect behind, and then a new article is started at the original title (e.g. "Pocky and Rocky" is moved to "Pocky and Rocky (video game)" leaving a redirect, then a series article is built at "Pocky and Rocky") – are now being recorded- previously they were being either dropped as a redirect or manually caught because of an ancient "new tag" of the moved page. Go forth and mangle the edit history of pages (by leaving redirects behind that you don't intend to keep) in peace
  • Added attribution and "newly tagged" bits to new categories, because they should get some love too
  • Made user attributions shorter (just the linked username) so as to make each line less busy
  • Bugfixes: fixed an issue where authors couldn't be found for articles with only a single edit, due to a mediawiki bug that's producing invalid html. That's... only happened once with articles that I know of, but it was really obvious with categories since they usually only get one edit ever. Also fixed an issue where dates couldn't be found if the edit was revdel'd, which has happened at least twice.

Unrelated to all that: looks like we're getting a ton of "related to GPUs or graphic processing" articles being tagged for the project, which feels... odd? But maybe it's okay. --PresN 22:21, 14 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Do we really need a category dedicated to the Dream SMP? There's the Dream SMP page, and then only 6 unique pages in the category, with there being 3 that are redirects, 2 of which redirect to the Dream SMP article. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 22:37, 14 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
No we do not. I marked the category for CFD as it does not contain enough content to justify an entire category IMO. PerryPerryD Talk To Me 23:19, 14 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

WWE Aftershock AfD

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article WWE Aftershock is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/WWE Aftershock until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. TheSecondComing10 (talk) 15:34, 15 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

What are notable Game Studios?

What are notable Game Studios? How does who determine what a notable studio is? CityScraper (talk) 09:41, 17 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The guidelines for notable studios are the same as any company that falls under WP:NCORP. To restate what it says while being more specific to games, a studio is not notable merely because they developed a notable game. The studio itself must have been discussed in reliable independent sources for it to be considered notable. It's important to distinguish articles about a studio's game with ones about the studio itself. A studio being notable tends to be rarer than a game unless they are a rather large and prominent one. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 10:18, 17 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Request for revision delete

During a dispute with another editor on zhwiki, I am informed that Tears of Themis contains direct quotation from the official website which obviously consistutes copyright violation. I have removed the relevant parts, but I am clueless how to request for a revision delete. Thanks :-) MilkyDefer 14:46, 17 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@MilkyDefer: Tag it with {{revdel}}. Be sure to include the parameters the start, end, and url. – Pbrks (t • c) 14:51, 17 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Adding idea

Iv would like to add my article wrestling revelutotion Newzlighter (talk) 08:57, 18 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

FYI, your article has been moved to a draft at Draft:Wrestling Revolution because it's not ready to be published yet. You didn't use any sources, for starters. Sergecross73 msg me 11:57, 18 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move at Talk:Gex (series)#Requested move 12 March 2022

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Gex (series)#Requested move 12 March 2022 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. 🐶 EpicPupper (he/him | talk) 01:06, 20 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hyperbolica

I've been working on a draft for Hyperbolica, but it's not finished yet. If you could help, please do. There still isn't a reputable review of it, but I'm hoping it'll come eventually. Sultan the Sultan (talk) 05:28, 20 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

WikiProject Video Games Newsletter

The newsletter for WikiProject Video Games hasn't had an issue published since April 2021. The next issue was supposed to be published in July 2021. I find it odd that I cannot find a posting related to the delay of the newsletter in either the talk page of Wikiproject Video Game or the newsletter. In fact, the last postings of the newsletter talk page were by Thibbs and Panini! in May 2021 and were related to a survey that was going to be a part of the next issue. The last edit to the draft was on June 2021. Does anyone know what happened to the newsletter, and can we relaunch it? Lazman321 (talk) 14:56, 20 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I think it's just that they've been busy, and no one else picked it up. Thibbs used to be one of its biggest proponents, but I don't think he's been very active in recent years. (Either that or I just don't cross paths with him much anymore.) I don't see any issue with starting it back up outside if manpower - you'll have to see if there's any willing participants. I imagine they take a bit of time and commitment... Sergecross73 msg me 15:09, 20 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
As Sergecross73 says, Panini! and I were the last staffers before I fell ill. And with only one participant it's just too much to keep it up. Sadly I really can't participate in the Newsletter any more at all. But I'd love to see anyone else take the project up. I found that the VG Newsletter was useful to document the history of WP:VG. I can try to help anyone who is interested, but only to advise... -Thibbs (talk) 01:27, 21 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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