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Rename to Czechia

Should we rename this to Czechia per the Czech government’s recommendation? 2600:100C:A208:620D:4049:FAA0:8615:4B94 (talk) 20:22, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The Czech government has recommended no such thing. All they've done is declare "Czechia" to be a legitimate "short form" name for the country. The long form continues to be "Czech Republic". We have considered the matter of whether to switch to the short form many times—see above for all the past discussions. It has not yet been established that a change is warranted, taking into consideration the applicable guidelines at WP:COMMONNAME. Largoplazo (talk) 20:28, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
"Rebranding" efforts has progressed in previous months with clear recommendation (for Czech authorities) where to use the short name - see. Sure, it is Czech sources in English, but finally Czech government does something concrete for the promotion of the short name and mainly for the preference of the short name. Just FYI to contradict your All they've done is declare "Czechia" to be a legitimate "short form" name for the country. They have done a little more than that now. Chrz (talk) 20:52, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, this is a new development, I stand corrected. Mostly. Did the Czech government really make a recommendation specific to this article? Largoplazo (talk) 23:16, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
What do you mean? Czech government finally does its homework, does its part for Czechia to be seen as travel destination, in official results of sport events etc. Now it is English sources turn (newspaper type) to notice and comply (or not). Is it a time to move this article? I don't think it would be successful. But it is a time to say in which contexts it is thinkable to have Czechia on Wikipedia (for example it sport result tables - not translate from English to different English, but use the name as is used and seen during that sport event). And maybe, just maybe switch the order in the first sentence from The Czech Republic, also known as Czechia, to Czechia, commonly known as the Czech Republic, or something like that. Chrz (talk) 07:05, 20 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The only correct way to switch the order of the sentence would be Czechia, officially the Czech Republic. Next ghost (talk) 23:04, 24 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Both names are official... so... Czech Republic is official long name for UN, ISO, EU. Czechia is official short name for UN, ISO, EU and only official name for NATO, IOC, FIFA, EBU, UPU... So I would say Czechia is more official that the Czech Republic ;) Chrz (talk) 08:53, 25 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Is it Turkey-Türkiye situation now? Not quite but of course similar. Türkiye introduced 3rd and 4th name (informal and formal), Czechia introduced missing 2nd name. To teach/learn a new name versus to teach/learn a shorter "nickname". Chrz (talk) 07:09, 20 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The recommendation mentioned in the news article is available on the website of Czech Ministry of Foreign Affairs (in Czech): https://www.mzv.cz/jnp/cz/zahranicni_vztahy/verejna_diplomacie/jak_na_cesko_v_zahranici.html
I could not find any official English version of the MFA recommendation. However, the official recommendation does not say that "Czechia" should be used everywhere when "The Czech Republic" is not required for one reason or another. The recommendation has 3 points:
1. Use "The Czech Republic" on official documents, in international treaties or during diplomatic events.
2. Use "Czechia" in informal texts and speeches, news articles, promotional materials for cultural, scientific or sports events and personalities, etc.
3. Otherwise follow the example of other countries, particularly EU member states. Next ghost (talk) 23:02, 24 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I would now support this move, having previously opposed it. I see the name of this country in English a lot in my daily life and it's definitely now at least 50/50. We should probably prefer Czechia per WP:NAMECHANGES (even though I know this isn't a name change per se, the principle still applies). At the very least I think editors need to stop changing "Czechia" to "Czech Republic" in article text, which I still see a lot of. – filelakeshoe (t / c) 🐱 00:21, 20 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Regardless of the article name, I agree people should stop changing "Czechia" to "Czech Republic" in articles because both names are equally acceptable. I see people doing this under the justification that that's what the article's title is and that the name "Czechia" was rejected and therefore shouldn't be used (see User talk:ThecentreCZ#Recent_mass_edits_on_a_large_number_of_articles_changing_the_name_Czechia_to_Czech_Republic), but that's not a requirement for links. For example, USA is referred to as USA all over Wikipedia regardless of the fact that the article itself has a longer title - that's irrelevant, it's a common acronym. Similarly, Czechia is also a common and valid name for the country and doesn't need to be corrected in any way. Neme12 (talk) 00:53, 20 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
There is Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_(geographic_names)#General_guidelines #3, though. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:45, 20 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Czechia is now the common name, it seems to me. I would support this change. Doric Loon (talk) 09:00, 21 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support! The time has finally come. Just do it already. Czechia is just as, if not more commonly used than Czech Republic. Nobody is surprised when they hear Czechia, nobody is confused, nobody bats an eye. Czechia has become a perfectly usual and normal name of the country.
Now, some opposers like to argue that Wikipedia should be informed BY language, not changing it… Well guess what, by not moving the article, Wikipedia affects language just as much, and I would argue probably even more. This article, being the first result for millions of people who search about the country, is probably one of THE biggest factors hindering the inevitable transition.
How is that fair? How can you say "we should use whatever the majority of sources uses", if for so many of those sources, the Wikipedia result itself informs the usage? This is an ouroboros situation, an endless loop.
It's time to read the room. At this point, there is no reason to continue using, and promoting, the formal, long name of the country simply for the sake of status quo. Isametry (talk) 10:28, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
This is not the place to voice your disapproval of the applicable guidelines. That place is at the talk page for those guidelines, Wikipedia talk:Article titles. Here, we go by what those guidelines currently are. Largoplazo (talk) 11:09, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
On "Wikipedia affects language just as much", there are other sources of language than en-WP (and if en-WP is the deciding factor here, then you can't "win" this, right?). IMO "WP-use of language doesn't change off-WP use of language very much" is a more plausible hypothesis. I have no WP:RS to support either hypothesis, and it's off-topic for this talkpage anyway. Start the WP:RM#CM when you're ready. It's been more than 1,5 years since the last (proper) one, so you (or anyone else who wants to) are good to go. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:42, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Here you can read about the progress since the last true try in July 2021 Name_of_the_Czech_Republic#Adoption_of_Czechia. A lot of "databases" has changed, but I don't think the usual opposers would be impressed so much, they are waiting for newspaper articles and the shift is not so impressive there. Chrz (talk) 18:32, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
As, yes, the Czech government has recommended the use of Czechia as a short form, and its modern wide use across English language media, I would support this change. Asheiou (talk) 19:56, 14 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support Yes, yes, yes. We should have done that long time ago. All notable international agencies are now using Czechia instead of the Czech Republic. It is an irreversible trend. 2001:8003:908F:BB01:184C:2D88:E7D6:5CCB (talk) 08:17, 6 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support In the last months or years the Czech Republic changed to Czechia in some sports associations (for example IHHF, FIFA, IOC). This is at least one of the significant changes from past name change discussions as these changes relate to international television broadcasts watched by a lot of of people around the world. Patrik L. (talk) 20:37, 16 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
So start the WP:RM#CM instead of wasting time with this thread. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:48, 16 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support for the same reason why we don't refer to countries like Italy and France by their long form names, WP:COMMONNAME . FusionSub (talk) 12:47, 20 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support
IOC uses Czechia - https://olympics.com/ioc/czechia
EU uses Czechia - https://european-union.europa.eu/principles-countries-history/country-profiles_en
Eurovision uses Czechia - https://eurovision.tv/countries
UEFA uses Czechia - https://www.uefa.com/nationalassociations/uefarankings/country/seasons/#/yr/2023
UN uses Czechia - https://www.un.org/en/about-us/member-states#gotoC
NATO uses Czechia - https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/nato_countries.htm
Thomediter (talk) 20:42, 4 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Czechia is no more common name than the Czech Republic, actually less so. I oppose the change. Cimmerian praetor (talk) 10:53, 21 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Close it like this: Talk:Czech_Republic/Archive_11#Requested_move_13_September_2022Chrz (talk) 18:00, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

If this section is to be considered as a move request, then it needs to be listed as such, per the instructions at WP:RM. Personally I am yet to see evidence that usage has significantly shifted since the last time we discussed this. For example, from a very brief search, New York Times and BBC are still using 'Czech Republic'.  — Amakuru (talk) 18:10, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
As are the top of pages like these:[1][2]. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:10, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
[3]: According to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs (MFA), the longer name Czech Republic must be used only in official government documents, in the names of embassies, official correspondence, powers of attorney or in contractual practice, including declarations, instruments of ratification, memoranda, etc. This is based, inter alia, on the MFA's guidelines for embassies. 
The Czechia (Česko) brand should be used in all other cases.
That's why ministries won't rename. Like eg. this Slovak one or Polish and it DOES NOT matter. Do not create unique obstacles especially for Czechia. Chrz (talk) 22:02, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Well, different countries do differently.[4][5][6] Preferred style/something, I guess. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:59, 24 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Let's say that a lot of countries think that formal name of the country must be repeated in the names of all "formal" government agencies as is in their native language. Similarly you can compare passports. Finland, Sweden - informal short name; Germany, Poland, Slovakia - long formal. Effect on Wikipedia: zero. Chrz (talk) 08:12, 24 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I see we just had this: Talk:Czech_Republic_in_the_Eurovision_Song_Contest#Requested_move_10_February_2023. And a little further back, this: Talk:History_of_the_Czech_lands#Requested_move_15_November_2022. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:31, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I was at the European Parliament in Brussels a fortnight ago, and saw that Czechia now appears as the country name on many signposts and documents. We've certainly come a long way from the days when people were arguing on this talk page that Czechia is "not a word". Doric Loon (talk) 20:43, 16 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Style guide effect. Centralized change, one day it is one name, the second name it can be another. 5.12.2019 Cabo Verde: short name ‘Cape Verde’ is replaced by ‘Cabo Verde’ ... etc. Chrz (talk) 20:56, 16 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

how is this pronounced? / and opinion on "czechia" vs "czech republic"

is this pronounced "zech" or "kech" or is it "k-zech" or is it something else? or should i just say fuck it and call it bohemia and then always immediately think "rhapsody" and dammit now i gotta look up what a rhapsody is.

but yeah this should be in the article. kthxbai.

stuff added after edit:

i wasn't completely sure that czechia was the czech republic, which is actually why i came to the article in the first place. i was being facetious with the statement above (i know it's pronounced "check", at least as far as i have ever heard). however i am positive that if i were to ask random people "do you know the difference between czechia and the czech republic" that eh probably like 75%-95% of them would not know they are the same place and therefore would not reply with confidence that they are. i'm sure you could reword the question and get the same results. if you were to ask people "what's the difference between soda and pop?" people would tell you they're the same thing, just different names for the thing.

75.180.24.96 (talk) 23:00, 22 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@75.180.24.96 Yeah, CHECK-ia, CHECK republic -Asheiou (they/them • talk) 00:50, 10 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Rename to Czechia as Germany, France, Slovakia or Poland

This article is about the country Czechia with its more than a thousand-year long history. Thus, it should be named Czechia (similarly to other countries). A strong argument of linguists from Czechia is, that Czechia (as well as other short names) refers to the country whatever the political system was while the Czech Republic is the name which is used for the country from its creation in 1993 and refers to its political system. Pažo (talk) 09:46, 30 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Because of repeated past discussions on this, you'll find them linked among the templates above on this talkpage, there is some bureaucracy involved. Check the earlier discussions to get a sense of what is involved, and start the WP:RM#CM when you're ready. The last one, Talk:Czech_Republic/Archive_10#Requested_move_25_July_2021, was in 2021, so there is no rule against starting a new one.
Note that what matters on en-WP regarding article-titles is "What is it generally called in English-language WP:RS?", more at WP:COMMONNAME and WP:PLACE. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:06, 30 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Czech Wikipedia is slowly warming up... It WILL happen, English Wikipedia is just scared to allow it prematurely. Chrz (talk) 17:13, 2 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that it should be re-named to Czechia.
IOC uses Czechia - https://olympics.com/ioc/czechia
EU uses Czechia - https://european-union.europa.eu/principles-countries-history/country-profiles_en
Eurovision uses Czechia - https://eurovision.tv/countries
UEFA uses Czechia - https://www.uefa.com/nationalassociations/uefarankings/country/seasons/#/yr/2023
UN uses Czechia - https://www.un.org/en/about-us/member-states#gotoC
NATO uses Czechia - https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/nato_countries.htm Thomediter (talk) 20:40, 4 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It proves that the argument "No one is using Czechia" is now obsolete. But it is not enough, since all those sources use Türkiye without any significant effect on Wikipedia. (Turkey changed one short name to another, Czech Republic added nonexistent short name, but it is the same thing for Wikipedia). Chrz (talk) 15:12, 5 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Doesn't that just mean Turkey should be changed aswell, instead of meaning that this shouldn't be changed? Thomediter (talk) 20:25, 5 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Per WP:OTHERCONTENT, it doesn't have to mean either. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 21:34, 5 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Alright so then let's leave Türkiye out of this discussion. Still what arguments exist in favor of retaining the name Czech Republic, when almost no organziations do that anymore. Thomediter (talk) 22:20, 5 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Try ghits. Mutt Lunker (talk) 23:16, 5 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
One argument is offered by the Czech government itself, in its predominate use of "Czech Republic" on its English-language website. Their own lack of urgency over it suggests to me that the people here who have pounded the most heatedly for changing the title of the article, especially the ones who have described the failure to change it an insult, are fretting way more over this than the situation merits. Largoplazo (talk) 23:20, 5 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
That website doesn't appear to have a lot effort put into it.
I think that IOC, EU, Eurovision, UEFA, UN, NATO using Czechia, along with an overwhelming win of support in the Talk:Czech Republic#Rename to Czechia, is more than enough to make the change. Thomediter (talk) 00:37, 6 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
You mean "Government of the Czech Republic"? It is the official name, same as Government of the Slovak Republic and it means nothing against Slovakia. Ministry of foreign affairs uses Czechia (on Twitter too)so... foreign affair it is. And BTW when government uses it Wiki says "it does not matter" (eg. Türkiye case). When government does not use it Wiki says "it does not matter". So leave this argument since it is not decisive. Chrz (talk) 07:13, 6 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Yes! Now is there anything left to argue for why it shouldn’t be renamed? Thomediter (talk) 09:08, 6 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
What was your finding re ghits for COMMONNAME? I did a rough-and-ready one but even after some heavy refining, starting at 6.5:1 against is not a promising start for Czechia. FWIW, it's my preferred term but that counts for nothing here and this is not a place to WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS. Mutt Lunker (talk) 10:20, 6 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
[7] is one argument. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:49, 6 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
IOC, EU, EBU, UEFA, UN NATO > Google Books Thomediter (talk) 11:33, 6 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
That's one way to look at it. We'll see when the next WP:RM#CM is closed. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:40, 6 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
IOC, EU, EBU, UEFA, UN NATO (2023) > Google Books (2019) Chrz (talk) 11:45, 6 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
That's one way to look at it. We'll see when the next WP:RM#CM is closed. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:46, 6 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
You mean previous RM, where majority supported the move? Since it is only one piece of puzzle, we won't know. We know what does not matter - name of authorities. And you mean previous RM, where majority supported the move? Google results, English, last month - Czech Republic 19.6 M, Czechia 4.6 M. Still "behind" but far better than obsolete Ngram results would suggest. Chrz (talk) 12:14, 6 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I have no idea if you counted the Talk:Czech_Republic/Archive_10#Requested_move_25_July_2021 majority right or not, but per the 2021 closing comment "While a headcount might suggest that both sides are even, this is not a headcount.", it doesn't matter in the WP-context, does it? The next WP:RM#CM will take care of itself. But yes, per your WP:GOOGLETEST, behind. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:41, 7 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Of course it is not a vote.
I can see that in possible RM no one would be impressed with the changes which happened since the last try like IIHF or IOC... even though there are not a lot of places left where it could be changed now. Registered nearly everywhere, now to boost the usage numbers in newspaper and other media.
BTW that government issue: Czechia.eu - official site, not a thing in 2021 during last RM, now it exists. #VisitCzechia is a "rebranded" government agency campaign (for the time being it is still hosted under visitczechrepublic.com, but visitczechia.com is a redirect, maybe it will be switched soon). So there is a lot of effort visible. Chrz (talk) 15:31, 7 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
What is the next step? I don't think it makes sense to keep "Czech Republic" now, so do you know what can be done? Thomediter (talk) 23:16, 8 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know. Wait until BBC or CNN have no choice but to accept the "new" name, at least for sports and competitions? Chrz (talk) 15:00, 9 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Gråbergs Gråa Sång BTW, if it is not a vote, why a lot of people even bother to comment it with "Oppose/Support, same as the other dude above. Signature. Date."? Such opinions without any new argument are... useless. Chrz (talk) 14:59, 12 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Well you know, some people like to comment on talkpages:[8], a fewer some almost exclusively. The closer will give such comments the weight they think appropriate. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:53, 12 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I was not the one who used such voting answer, but feel free to kick. Chrz (talk) 16:15, 12 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
2019 is hardly an argument for 2023 situation. It would leave a lot of renamings on Wikipedia in the past since Ngram is years behind. Chrz (talk) 11:42, 6 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, I'd support this move. Now is the time. With many major sources, especially international events, using Czechia, I think we should move the page. Czechia is how the country is presenting itself on the global stage, and is how it's being referred to. In reference to the BBC style guide, they have always been very slow to adopt change, slower than WP in a lot of places. -Asheiou (they/them • talk) 22:41, 9 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Why are there no women on the culture pahe

Hermína Týrlová, mentioned in article, no ref though

Every famous artist etc. displays a male and their photograph. Can you please include women 2603:6011:F741:3100:5936:1B2B:2E84:97FD (talk) 02:24, 10 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This is not a bad idea. What women/images do you suggest? Note that images are supposed to illustrate the article text, so article content with refs should be added first. I scanned through the Culture section, the only women I saw was Irena Dodalová/Hermína Týrlová, so if there is a WP-usable pic of any of them, that may be the "quick" way. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:28, 10 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Gråbergs Gråa Sång Some ideas? Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 10:55, 11 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Closure of "Rename to Czechia" discussion

Czech Republic → Czechia

Per recommendation from WP:RM I will now attemept to close the discussion started in February concercing the name of "Czech Republic / Czechia"

My own opinion is that a name change is necessary. When you look at the discussion I'm referring to, I would find a total of 2 editors who expressed a stance against the move, whilist there being 9 editors who expressed a stance favoring the move.

Let's start by taking a look at the 2 editors who are against the move. One of those expressed a disagreement with the move, by arguing that "Czechia is no more common name than the Czech Republic". However, I don't agree with him/her about this, as IOC, EBU, EU, UN, NATO, and UEFA all use "Czechia". It's probably also worth mentoining that this argument was presented back in February, possibly before a lot of these organizations made the name change.

The other arguemnt is "the Czech government has not recommended using Czechia, but just declared "Czechia" to be a legitimate "short form" name for the country". I have not found the article this argument stems from, of course however that doesn't mean it's not true. But I do not believe this argument is stronger than the arguments favoring a name change, especially when I can't seem to find a verification of what the government exactly said.

Now the arguemntations for why the name should change are fairly homogenous because they take their starting points in what other (large) organizations call the country. So here is a list of some of the large organizations that use "Czechia".

IOC - https://olympics.com/ioc/czechia

European Union - https://european-union.europa.eu/principles-countries-history/country-

European Broadcasting Union - https://eurovision.tv/countries

UEFA - https://www.uefa.com/nationalassociations/uefarankings/country/seasons/#/yr/2023

UN - https://www.un.org/en/about-us/member-states#gotoC

NATO - https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/nato_countries.htm

IIHF - https://www.iihf.com/en/associations/337/czechia

World Bank - https://data.worldbank.org/country/CZ

WHO - https://www.who.int/countries/cze


My personal opinion based on the info we have avaliable, is that a change is occuring in accordance with how the country is being referred. I believe it is just a matter of time before the last organizations follow up and change their name to "Czechia", and I don't see any reason why we shouldn't be ready to eo that here. There has also been editors who have been critical before but is now positive to the change.

Right now I just think it's confusing having the big organizations referring to the country as "Czechia" while Wikipedia refer to "Czech Republic". We also call it Slovakia and not "Slovak Republic", depsite the latter being used somewhat regularly. The same goes for a lot of countries where we don't call them their full name, and I don't see why the same logic shouldn't be used for "Czechia".

This is why I hope a move can be run through :) Thomediter (talk) 10:49, 11 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I think you misread the recommendation from WP:RM, but what happens, happens. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:03, 11 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, haha. I was a bit confused but saw Primefac (talk) originally posted here, but sorry for my misunderstanding. What should I do instead? Thomediter (talk) 11:08, 11 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I have removed the text I used in the original nomination, as that one was reverted/removed. Primefac (talk) 12:11, 11 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per previous arguments, but what really sold me on it was googling "Czech Republic" and finding that many of the results used "Czechia" in the title or as the primary name. I know that's a silly criteria, but I feel like it's a good sign that the new name has overtaken the old one. casualdejekyll 13:16, 11 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support mostly per wp:modernplacename but there has been a clear shift in usage amongst new outlets—blindlynx 14:14, 11 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per others, the more formal Czech Republic is increasingly supplanted by Czechia and I strongly oppose any moratorium. Recently, the city of Allahabad was finally moved to Prayagraj and that had been stonewalled for years by stubborn editors whose concern trolling keeps pushing for more goalposts. --Killuminator (talk) 14:57, 11 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose move for the same reasons as always. The request was made as a "personal opinion", and no evidence was provided that the public at large has switched over. A quick Google Trends search shows that most results in the last 12 months are for the long-form "Czech Republic", and even if limited to news, "Czechia" was only prevalent for one week of the last 52. O.N.R. (talk) 17:06, 11 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Quick close, opening RM is literally a list of WP:OFFICIALNAMES links, which is particularly weak. An RM with such a weak opening is a waste of community time, and an own goal liable to set back any move requests further (assuming it might be moved at this point). Suggest withdrawing, lest this spin out into another moratorium. CMD (talk) 17:29, 11 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    At least a new moratorium may save the community some time. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:51, 11 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    I'm still new to editing on Wikipedia, so please help me learn, or do what is necessary to take the next step. Thomediter (talk) 17:53, 11 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    So: It is not allowed discuss this issue because it could succeed. It is necessary to figure out some bogus reason how to avoid Czechia happen on Wikipedia. Weak opening? Since last attempt a lot of new and important sources switched. Chrz (talk) 18:05, 11 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    @Chrz, that's both false and probably inappropriate. Please remember to assume good faith in situations such as this - there is no evidence that anyone's attempting to "figure out some bogus reason" to stop this RM. casualdejekyll 20:04, 11 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Well there's evidence someone wants to close it quickly quickly, and with a moratorium, longer the better, without a chance to add missing things to the application (if there really is something important missing). Chrz (talk) 20:58, 11 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Assuming this oblique comment is meant to refer to me, it's an odd misreading of what I said. CMD (talk) 08:20, 12 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    You wanted to quickly withdraw to avoid moratorium. GGS liked the idea of another moratorium. Adding better than "official" sources was not suggested. I am not against reasonable moratorium but after proper failed attempt, not after 5 hours. Max 1 year, as we can see now, a lot can change in one year and I value those, who are against, but acknowledged the changes. Not the ones who say, oppose, nothing change, forever against. Chrz (talk) 15:16, 12 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    You should show that these so called "official" changes have some effect on "unofficial" sources. IMHO newspapers and such. Chrz (talk) 18:47, 11 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - Last attempt in 2021 was nearly successful. Since then a lot of high profile organizations switched (listed above). Another changes: AP style guide acknowledged Czechia; Czech Ministry of Foreign Affairs uses Czechia a lot; #VisitCzechRepublic campaign renamed to #VisitCzechia, official site czechia.eu... So on "official" level the "homework" is nearly done. Maybe newspapers are little behind, but sport results change it. Who is "the public" we are waiting for? 51 % in Google results in last... year or what? And the attempts to close it for technicalities is... sad. Chrz (talk) 17:42, 11 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    How did you get "51 % in Google results in last... year or what?"? That's not what you got here:[9] Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:50, 11 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    It means "Who is "the public" we are waiting for? Are we waiting for 51 % in Google results in last year". Chrz (talk) 18:11, 11 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Ah, now I get it, thanks. Well, that will depend on the Wikipedians who discuss it at the time, and if they think a namechange is motivated per WP:Article titles and WP:Naming conventions (geographic names). I guess you could start a "Can we all agree that when [10] shows X numbers for X time, this particular article will be moved?" Rfc at some point. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:22, 11 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Google Trends is a website by Google that analyzes the popularity of top search queries in Google Search across various regions and languages. Yeah, one way how to approach it - give people what they search, and somehow balance it with how it actually is now called and spelled by the media. Chrz (talk) 21:10, 11 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Nice numbers in Canada though. It's mostly thanks to hockey, peaks during world championships are clearly there. So there you have it, official names (here IIHF) matter, people see it during the match and then search it. Chrz (talk) 21:16, 11 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose for now. The official presidency of council of the EU page calls themselves the Czech Republic, and only mentions Czechia once [11]. Additionally as per the United Nations, Czechia is the official short name for the Czech Republic [12].Davidstewartharvey (talk) 18:57, 11 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Exactly. The Wikipedia article should be called Czechia, because Czechia is the official short name for the Czech Republic, just like Slovakia is the official name for the Slovak Republic or France is the official short name for the French Republic. Wikipedia should be consistent and up to date. Danda Panda (talk) 20:04, 11 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
But it's not universal yet. As I pointed out only one mention on an official Czech government website, as well as the likes of ESPN [13], The Guardian [14] [15], Reuters [16] CNBC [17], ING [18], Washington Post [19], NASA [20]. As i said Oppose for now, when it becomes universal then change. Secondly Slovakia is used because it is historical, Czechia is not so as it was previously known as Bohemia. Davidstewartharvey (talk) 21:16, 11 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
These sites use both, sometimes the first, sometimes the second, sometimes both in one article. Czechia is now everywhere, somewhere prevalent, somewhere rare, now how to do some kind of decision, weighted average of significance and frequency... Chrz (talk) 21:34, 11 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
When we see major and official use of the title widely by respected organisations like The Guardian and the Washington Post, and even their own government?Davidstewartharvey (talk) 21:43, 11 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
All of those using Czechia, some more, some less, in average OK :) So move per WP:new and modern names are better. The Government uses Czechia, then the official site Czechia.eu, on site of Ministry of Foreign Affairs, #VisitCzechia campaign, completely different picture that in 2021. But you must decide, someone says that government is WP:OFFICIALNAMES and does not matter and want to quickly stop RM because of it. Chrz (talk) 21:58, 11 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The articles I put forward only use Czech Republic. If you search the Washington Post or The Guardian it comes up with Czech Republic but not Czechia in its searches. Yes some news channels are, like The Times, but it is still not universally used. As I pointed out the Presidency of the Council of the EU, which was held in 2022 by the Czech Republic has one use, while Czech Republic is used frequently - these pages are managed by the nation state and not the Council. Czechia is new (2016) as s short name which is being slowly used, but as per Google Trend data, people are searching the official name not the short name, so there WP:COMMONNAME is not really met - yet. Once it has become commonplace then we should change it.Davidstewartharvey (talk) 22:08, 11 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, you picked one article per source proving your point. But there are articles from the same sources proving my point. What does presidency page prove? Nothing. EU pages use Czechia and it is considered useless or WP:official names, ministry of foreign affair is overlooked, etc. so what. The "old" political name is here to stay (unlike other name changes where both changed, political and short, like Eswatini) and of course politicians incline to use it more. Don't create obstacles which other countries did not have, some kind of need for universal agreement and dominant use in every single source. Sport, culture, tourism has switched significantly and it affects everyday news in newspaper. And especially don't say (plural) that the situation is the same as in 2021 during the last attempt. Chrz (talk) 05:55, 12 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I am not creating obstacles. As I quote from Wikipedia rules on Article Titles If, on the other hand, reliable sources written after the name change is announced continue to use the established name when discussing the article topic in the present day, Wikipedia should continue to do so as well. At the moment there is still a clear divide of usage across the media, though one which we should look at again next year. It's not if it should be changed its when.Davidstewartharvey (talk) 07:10, 12 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Czechia based English language news outlets have switched to using Czechia and it has become ubiquitous and nearly exclusive term to refer to the country:
https://english.radio.cz/search?fulltext=Czechia
https://www.expats.cz/czech-news/search?s=Czechia
I now see Czechia absolutely everywhere in Canadian, Australian, British, American press, twitter, sports events, Eurovision, etc. Canadian Anglophones keep telling me "You're now called Czechia". The official websites of the country have switched from czech.cz to CZECHIA.EU and visitczechrepublic.com to VISITCZECHIA.COM
The Czech Republic Wikipedia article should be moved to Czechia and standardized to the typical intro Wikipedia uses for every other country: Czechia (Czech: Česko), officially the Czech Republic (Czech: Česká republika), is a country in Central Europe. Danda Panda (talk) 19:42, 11 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support It is time for Wikipedia to finally make the move. There has been a lot of changes recently.The evidence supporting the move has been provided above from all major sports, international institutions, media etc. Millions of people have been watching Eurovision featuring Czechia this year. Also, CzechTourism switched from VisitCzechRepublic to VisitCzechia despite failing to change the web address so far:
https://www.visitczechrepublic.com/en-US How long do we want to wait? Using official short country names is normal in English. Czechia should not be an exception.Geog25 (talk) 20:20, 11 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose I much prefer "Czechia" over "Czech Republic", and look forward to its eventual substitution. But outside a few official outlets, I don't see it as the common name yet. Widespread usage is still overwhelmingly "Czech Republic". I am afraid I must oppose for now. Walrasiad (talk) 01:14, 12 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Let's do it. Czechia is here to stay! Helveticus96 (talk) 05:57, 12 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    It's not a question of "let's do it", this isn't a vote, and the decision isn't made on whether you like it or not. Comments need to focus on whether the proposed name fits the policy at WP:AT better than the current name.  — Amakuru (talk) 07:05, 12 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I honestly don't know, I'm curious how the community will decide. I got used to the name Czechia and my objections from the last big discussion no longer apply; an abbreviated name is used in the largest sports organizations. Compared to the previous discussion, a shift in other fields is also noticeable. But it's hard to decide if it's finally a commonname. Unless you live in a social bubble of young and/or educated people, you may find that the name Czechia is not as popular as you think. Google Trends search, presented by User:Old Naval Rooftops, tells the most about it. And the interesting thing is that the term 'Czechia' is most often googled from the Czech Republic. There is no doubt that there has already been a change in majority of official and popular websites, but to balance the scales, here are a few examples who still uses 'Czech Republic': OECD, Council of Europe, Tripadvisor. FromCzech (talk) 06:01, 12 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Next time in one or two years the discussion would be: Yes, since the last time OECD, Council of Europe and Tripadvisor switched, but now I found these popular pages which hasn't switched yet which I find important now... Tell us these indicators in advance and we'll nag them to switch ;) Chrz (talk) 06:32, 12 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    @Chrz: I just contributed my research and thought processes to the discussion. Your post is a misinterpretation and the ironic tone is inappropriate for this discussion. Given your history, I warn you as a precaution that commenting on every dissenting opinion may be considered WP:BLUDGEON and is therefore undesirable. We already know that you don't agree with some of the opinions of others, and you don't need to remind us. FromCzech (talk) 10:09, 12 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Ironic unironic, experience. Last time there were some sources soooo important, now Czechia has won them and magicaly new superimportant sources to conquer occur. Chrz (talk) 14:51, 12 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    No one has more experience of this talkpage than you:[21] Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:13, 12 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    And that is the answer to my remark? 442. Chrz (talk) 16:26, 12 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per my comments in the section above. – filelakeshoe (t / c) 🐱 07:44, 12 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    As an example of what I mean, I've just been to skyscanner to look up flights from Prague to London, and the point of departure was given as "Prague, Czechia". This kind of thing is becoming more and more common and will not reflect in cursory google searches of news and book results. No one who regularly encounters the name of this country in English in their daily life can honestly claim that "Czechia" is not commonly used in 2023 - it is, and is clearly becoming more common, so we really may as well just go with the trend and move the article. – filelakeshoe (t / c) 🐱 11:19, 12 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose.
    As always with these discussions, the principal thing we are here to determine, is which of the two proposed titles fits with the Wikipedia policy WP:AT, which advises us that in general, the WP:COMMONNAME is the one which best fits that policy's intent. More specifically, we have the WP:NAMECHANGES clause, which advises us to switch the name if reliable sources do so, but "if, on the other hand, reliable sources written after the name change is announced continue to use the established name when discussing the article topic in the present day, Wikipedia should continue to do so as well". So the question boils down to what recent sources say. The indicator we use most often in determining this is the Google ngram, measuring usage in English-language books, and as we can see: [22], this shows a huge lead of at least an order of magnitude for Czech Republic, all the way up to its latest date of 2019. Now obviously that was four years ago now, but if I had to guess at a trend since then, I'd find it highly unlikely that the Czech Republic usage has fallen off a huge cliff since 2019, with Czechia climbing massively to match. Most likely ngrams will still show a strong lead for Czech Republic when 2023 data is eventually made available. Another thing we look at is recent news sources, and although it's hard to make a quantative assessment thereof, it's clear that Czech Republic is still very widely used in such sources, e.g. [23][24][25][26][27]
    Now, regarding the list of organisations supplied as evidence in the nomination header, that's an impressive list, but as CMD points out, these almost all international organisations of which the Czech Republic is a member, and which therefore to some extent reflect the wishes of the country's government and officials, rather than independent secondary common usage. To counter that, I can cherry pick a similarly impressive list of independent reliable sources in English, which continue to use Czech Republic:
    And curiously, this page about the Czech presidency of the European Council, also uses Czech Republic almost throughout, despite presumably being strongly connected to the Czech government itself!
    So, in summary, I am far from convinced by the argument that usage has significantly shifted in English, and moreover the evidence seems to strongly point to Czech Republic remaining the common name, therefore I think the policy argument is that this move should not go ahead right now. I'm not dogmatic about this, I argue only the evidence, not personal opinions, and of course if this situation ever changes (as it did with the name changes at Kyiv and Myanmar) then I would support the move at that time. Would also support a moratorium at this time, because I don't see this changing quickly enough to make another RM worthwhile within the next year.  — Amakuru (talk) 09:37, 12 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    You are technically wrong. The member of the International Olympic Committee is not the state it is the Czech National Committee as well as national sports unions are members of IIHF and UEFA. The members of the European Broadcasting Union are Czech Television and Czech Radio, not the state. Martin Tauchman (talk) 16:04, 12 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Per O.N.R. and Amakuru. Also support a new one-year WP:MORATORIUM on article-name discussions, apart from this RM there have been several threads (now archived) on it since the last moratorium ended in August last year. It can rest in peace for awhile, saving editors some effort. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:02, 12 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. I second the argument above. Cimmerian praetor (talk) 11:57, 12 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per the posts preceding this, particularly Amakuru, and my own posts in the previous discussion. Credible and palpable indications that the overwhelming use of Czech Republic over Czechia is becoming less overwhelming, and enthusiasm for the latter term, which I share, do not overturn COMMONNAME. I have no doubt that the advance of the usage of the term is likely to progress to the point of dominance in coming years but it is in no way supportable to make the change now. The evident prematurity and poverty of the claim of the bulk of supporting posts will set back the case, as the tedious recurrence of this never-endum is likely to invoke another year’s moratorium. When this RM is rejected again, I support such a moratorium as the tide will not have turned in the space of a year and we could all spend our time more profitably in the interim. I welcome the time we can reflect the reality that Czechia is the common name but that is some stretch in the future. Mutt Lunker (talk) 13:51, 12 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    That's a very good point. Even if "Czech Republic" is less of a common name before, it's still the common name. O.N.R. (talk) 21:52, 13 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support the change to the name ‘Czechia’. I have to emphasize that according to the Wikipedia:Naming conventions (geographic names) there are plenty of sources that use the term Czechia: GNS, CIA World Factbook; as provided by Cambridge University Library: GeoNames, The Permanent Committee on Geographical Names for British official use; and from their maps list: Google Maps. I would also add Eurostat as a major statistics authority. Since I have included Google Maps on the list, I think it is necessary to mention Bing Maps as well. I have to mention other technical giants as well: Apple or Nokia. --Martin Tauchman (talk) 15:53, 12 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Naming convention is just a guideline. We must base it upon the rules i.e. WP:Article Title, which has been quoted above by myself and Amakuru.Davidstewartharvey (talk) 06:38, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    And it clearly says: ‘It is a generally accepted standard that editors should attempt to follow…’ Martin Tauchman (talk) 08:01, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - this article will eventually be moved to Czechia. I think as more and more sources use Czechia, a move becomes more and more reasonable. Interstellarity (talk) 11:11, 13 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support – I support this step and consider it a shame that it has still not been taken. Czechia officially adopted the name in 2016, and since then more and more institutions (including the UN, NATO, EU, WHO, World Bank etc.) have adopted the shortened name. It is understandable that this is not happening as fast as it could - after all, Wikipedia serves as an important electronic resource that influences the discourse. Within the EU, Czechia is the only country where the full political name of the state is spelled out everywhere on Wikipedia, and this is completely unnecessary when the state has an official shortened name, which is becoming commonly used within the institutions of which Czechia is a member. –Unloose (talk) 12:08, 13 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - In the last two years, the IIHF has been using "Czechia". GoodDay (talk) 19:49, 13 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    And it is already used in the articles about IIHF Champioships. See: 2023 IIHF World Championship. And it works quite well. --Martin Tauchman (talk) 13:18, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support in line with Wikipedia's article titling policies. WP:CRITERIA states that 'a good Wikipedia article title has the five following characteristics':
    • Recognisability – Both possible titles are recognisable to 'someone familiar with, although not necessarily an expert in, the subject area'. Following the Czech Republic's request Czechia is now used by the UN ([28]) and European Union ([29]) and has now been used in popular culture, for instance, in Eurovision and the Olympics (https://olympics.com/ioc/czechia). Both names are recognised.
    • Naturalness – both possible titles are ones that 'readers are likely to look or search for'. Again, given its increasing use in popular culture, one would expect that readers may search both Czecihia or Czech Republic. Both names are natural.
    • Precision – Again, both 'unambiguously identifies the article's subject and distinguishes it from other subjects'. Nothing else is called Czechia or the Czech Republic and Czechia already redirects redirectly to this article.
    • Concision – However, Czechia wins on conscision. WP:CONCISE gives the example of Rhode Island, which is more appropriate than the official name State of Rhode Island and Providence Plantations.
    • Consistency – Finally, nearly every other sovereign state uses its official or common short name rather than its official long name. The only exceptions are the DRC and Republic of the Congo, which for obvious reasons need separate titles and also need to be disambiguated from the river and basin, and the Republic of Ireland, which needs distinction from the island. Czechia has no such issues. Contrastingly, the two Koreas use their short names, e.g. South Korea, despite the fact these countries use their long name officially at the UN and elsewise.
Additionally we can review WP:PLACE for specific conventions around geographic names. It states to use 'a widely accepted English name'. Advised sources to glean a widely accepted name use both Czech Republic (e.g. [30]) and Czechia (e.g. [31]). Clearly there is no longer a widely accepted English name, so 'the modern official name (in articles dealing with the present) ... should be used'. The modern official name, as requested by the Czech Government, is Czechia.
Jèrriais janne (talk) 16:37, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support for many of the reasons listed above. Czechia is certainly the most common name for the country in English. I agree with @Jèrriais janne that it's not the widely accepted name, and that there isn't one. The shift to Czechia has, however, been going on for a very long time, and it's most certainly a matter of when, not if, the article will finally be moved. I say, why not now? The average English speaker will now encounter Czechia much more often than the long-form Czech Republic, in the a similar way as they encounter France more than the French Republic. Czechia is the most used form by everyone except for some news sources (BBC, CNN, New York Times), and I imagine they too are constantly having the same debate that we are. I wonder if some of them are looking at us and seeing that we haven't changed our name for the country yet, so they're not changing theirs. -ASHEIOU (THEY/THEM • TALK) 21:57, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
What evidence do you have that "Czechia is certainly the most common name"? The Google Trends numbers I gave above show the reverse by a large margin. Even if I limit it to news only, "Czech Republic" is far more common over the past year. O.N.R. (talk) 04:17, 15 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
And I can limit it like this and Czechia is the winner :D Chrz (talk) 15:01, 16 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Well, it was the only form to be seen in last night's Eurovision Song Contest. Doric Loon (talk) 23:43, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
So what? Nobody denies that some sources use "Czechia", and that it appears quite often, but the question we're asking (and which nobody supporting the move seems to directly address) is which name is the WP:COMMONNAME. Although we don't have conclusive data, my !vote above gives clear indicators that Czech Republic remains the common name. If you have arguments against that, please provide them, but cherry-picking sources isn't going to help us here. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 08:10, 15 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Amakuru It's not exactly cherry-picking to note the continuation of the tsunami of major institutions changing their usage. That is absolutely an indicator of a shift in common name. Doric Loon (talk) 12:31, 15 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. Czech Republic is still the clear WP:COMMONNAME. Even on the Eurovision Song Contest it was pointed out several times that it was the country commonly known as the Czech Republic but that it was appearing as Czechia because they requested it. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:15, 16 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Who pointed it out? When was it done? Could you provide a source of it? Martin Tauchman (talk) 14:21, 16 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    I'm guessing it was on British tv. Not much of an issue where I live:[32] Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:46, 16 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Indeed. The BBC. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:58, 16 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    But you have not provided an exact reference, so other people would be able to review it. Martin Tauchman (talk) 15:02, 16 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    See here, for instance. And it was also in the commentary. That fact is, we've called it the Czech Republic in English since the end of Czechoslovakia and we're not going to stop any time soon. Any more than we're going to change what we call Turkey. And appeals that it's the WP:OFFICIALNAME never go down well on Wikipedia. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:04, 16 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    It says that Czechia is ‘also known as the Czech Republic’. The source does not use the word ‘commonly’. Martin Tauchman (talk) 15:11, 16 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Why do you think it even says it? Because most people in the UK have never heard the name Czechia, so will be wondering why a new country seems to have entered! Trust me when I tell you that this is the case. Most native English-speakers have never heard of Czechia and would probably think it was a mistake for Czechoslovakia! And then wonder why the old name had come back into use again. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:19, 16 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    And this nicely sums it up anyway. If using Czechia, clarify in the story that the country is more widely known in English as the Czech Republic. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:21, 16 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    At the end of the day, wanting it to be so does not make it so. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:24, 16 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    So do you want to suggest that BBC uses the AP Stylebook? Martin Tauchman (talk) 16:04, 16 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    And does not it mean that BBC is already in the "transition phase" and includes both, new one to be accurate with the current state of things, and the older for old times sake? It would be point for Czechia, not against. It would mean The change is here, just how long do we want to wait?! One solution would be to use similar dualism as sourced from the news here on Wikipedia. But it is not allowed (rename everything to Czechia and stuff it with "also known as the Czech Republic" in every article. Chrz (talk) 15:33, 16 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    You misunderstand. The only reason they called the country Czechia in Eurovision was because that's how it asked to be referred to in the competition. It officially competed as Czechia, so the BBC had no choice but to use that name (but still pointed out that it was the country we all knew as the Czech Republic). But, as we should all know very well, official name and common name are not always the same thing and on Wikipedia we use the latter. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:42, 16 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Hm, and here was BBC bold enough to manage it without the Czech Republic altogether. Of course that the wish for the new name begins with registration, officialization, and then there is a phase of getting used to the new thing. And I would say that the world is getting used to Czechia just fine, no big bang, just gradual change which IMHO crossed the point where the change on Wikipedia is thinkable. Much better odds than during last try in 2021 where it was all "Oppose: not even Eurovision/NATO/UN/whatever use it"... And 2023 attempt shows no one really cared about these "official" places Chrz (talk) 15:58, 16 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support to chage to Czechia Well, we should do it this way: The way of counting the majority is not provided. So let's look at the fact, what people actually use: [33] The most people use Google and Google uses Czechia. I would exclude Wikipedia because we discuss about the Wikipedia. Let's not include porn - it actually is not a reliable source. Bing Maps do use the term Czechia as well. So, using this method, we can say that the majority of reliable and significant sources do use "Czechia". From my point of view, we should not count newspaper that affects only a part of the world same way as those global actors and it would be a nonsence to think that people use just things like newspapers. The time has change and we use mobile apps. Everyone uses Google Maps to find a restaurant or a mall. Wikipedia should reflect such a thing. --185.58.42.223 (talk) 17:29, 16 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Further discussion

This article just came out and it nicely sums up how much "Czechia" is really used: What is Czechia and where is it? Czech Republic confuses Eurovision viewers with different name Cimmerian praetor (talk) 08:32, 15 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Cimmerian praetor Thanks for that source. The main takeaway from that is that most people in Wales don't think about Czechia from one year's end to the next. Anybody who is actually talking about the country will know what is meant. And of course, anyone who is NOT talking about the country is making no contribution either way to the question of what the common name is. Doric Loon (talk) 12:43, 15 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
That's a very odd way of looking at it. Everyone's heard of the Czech Republic, while many people haven't come across the Czechia name yet, which makes the proposed name dubious on WP:RECOGNIZE grounds. And why don't they recognize it? Because the new name isn't the most commonly used yet, and doesn't qualify for NAMECHANGES. It really is that simple.  — Amakuru (talk) 12:56, 15 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Well, they don't present the source of information or the way they got the information. So I would not count it as valid. --Martin Tauchman (talk) 15:51, 15 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Normal title would be "Czech Republic competed under the name Czechia". Journalistic bombastic title: Everyone was toooootally confused and noone know what Czechia is. Who was confused? How does the "senior reporter" know it? Did she read some posts on facebook or not even that? We don't know. The content of the article is moreorless true, but the title is pure clickbait. Chrz (talk) 16:28, 15 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Just an example of yellow journalism. Martin Tauchman (talk) 17:51, 15 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Google Trend data just backs this up the Wales Online article as pointed out earlier in this discussion! Davidstewartharvey (talk) 18:37, 15 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@ User:Doric Loon Quite the contrary. This article - like all Wikipedia articles - is geared for people in Wales - meaning, the general public who is not talking about the Czech Republic all the time. They, the casual readers, are our audience, they are the ones who must recognize the article, "common name" is for their benefit, not ours, nor the Czech government's. Walrasiad (talk) 22:17, 15 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
And the web euractiv.com uses rather Czechia than the Czech Republic. Choosing one random article in live style section is not optimal. Martin Tauchman (talk) 23:05, 15 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The article provides no evidence. It just says that something is true but without any background. So we can reject their statements without any background as well. Martin Tauchman (talk) 22:54, 15 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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