Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Novels

Latin translations of modern literature

I think this article is a candidate for becoming a "list of" ; "List of Latin translations of modern literature". I have some titles to add to it, but I don't want to do the work and then have it undone, I may as well do it right the first time. Opinions? EraserGirl (talk) 20:28, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

Definitely better as a list. PrincessofLlyr ^{royal court} 21:32, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

I was bold and moved it, hope there are no objections. It has been sitting around for a year, so I think you are more than welcome to revise it. I recently added the article to my watchlist, so I can also help along the way, Sadads (talk) 21:43, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

Quality improvement project - Slaves of Sleep by L. Ron Hubbard

I am going to try to work on a quality improvement project - Slaves of Sleep by L. Ron Hubbard. It'd be nice to see if there is enough source coverage to fully cover the topic for eventual improvement to GA quality. (Right now it'd simply be nice to flesh it out a bit more with additional WP:RS secondary sources.) Help would be appreciated - if you'd like to collaborate on this project and pitch in somehow, please post to Talk:Slaves of Sleep. Thank you for your time! ;) -- Cirt (talk) 22:20, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

Sue Grafton novels

The entire range of Sue Grafton's "Alphabet mysteries" has been placed up for deletion. Since 20 of the 21 article at issue were not tagged by the nominator nor did he put it in the Literature deletion discussion listing, I bring the discussion to your attention so that it is not lost in the holiday shuffle. - Dravecky (talk) 21:54, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

5-5-5 Improvement Drive

I am proposing a modest improvement drive modeled after the new Wine WikiProject Drive. Basically, during January, we ensure that at least 5 novel-articles have maintenance tags removed, 5 novel-stubs are improved to start/C/B-class, and 5 novel-articles are created. If you are interested in participating, please indicate so here. maclean (talk) 05:49, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

I am certainly interested, there are numerous important articles that need work. Might I make a suggestion for the improvement of articles to include unreferenced starts as well?

FYI, I plan to improve The Sailor Who Fell from Grace with the Sea which is an unreferenced start and write James Fenimore Cooper's Lionel Lincoln which I have started in a draft at User:Sadads/Lionel Lincoln, and I will continue deorphaning Novels articles which I have been doing en-mass for about the last month, check out my links at User:Sadads#To_do if you want to help (I find the best way to deorphan a novel is to create a navbox for the author's publications, if you want some examples, you can see the ones I have been working on at User:Sadads#Templates_I_have_started), Sadads (talk) 05:58, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

For clarification, is the entire project doing 5, or per person? I will most likely focus on removing tags and improving stubs/start-class. Great idea! PrincessofLlyr ^{royal court} 13:59, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

I think we should start small with the project doing 5-5-5 minimum the first month, and keep a record of what we do, and if we have enough activity do a 10-10-10 or larger the next semester month, Sadads (talk) 14:22, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

My thoughts are that we should start with modest objectives and a large scope (5, 5, 5 for the entire Novels Project) and see what kind of participation it draws. We can tailor the next segment (Feb?) to that participation level (ie. increase to 10, focus on a specific novel category/genre, etc.) depending on where the participants want to go. maclean (talk) 19:46, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

I have updated Wikipedia:WikiProject Novels/Collaboration where we can keep a record of this Improvement Drive. maclean (talk) 06:14, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

I think I will try to AWB advertise that we are doing this, hopefully it will engender a few more people supporting. Sadads (talk) 16:25, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the notification. My to-do list includes creating a few articles on missing Vince Flynn novels and if that's the sort of thing that you're hoping for with the 5-5-5 it's a good of a reason as any to get moving. JesseMSmith (talk) 02:56, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Waves (novel)

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Serials and dates

I've started to sort the entries in Category:Science fiction novels into Science fiction novels by decade categories and I've come across a problem. Novels that were originally published in magazines are classified by their first book publication. Taking the example of Almuric, I'm inclined to classify it as a "1930s science fiction novel", and to "be bold" and change the main category from "1964 novel" to "1939 novel" too. But is there a policy about this that I don't know about? Robina Fox (talk) 20:16, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

It was published as a novel in the 1960s, serialized in the 1930s - so it can be classified as a 1930s serialization but not as a 1930s book, in my view. TK88 (talk) 21:37, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

I suppose the point is, is it only a novel if in book form? Wasn't it always a novel? One could say that "novel" is a sub-category of "book", but then does a "book" have to be in book form (i.e., hardback or paperback)? I think one would have to say no, because of audio books and ebooks. Robina Fox (talk) 01:15, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

There are categories for books that were serialized first - sorry, but am terrible with categories and don't have the time at the moment to look - but I'd add the serialized cat and the book cat. It's not considered a book until published in that format, in this case didn't happen until 1964. At least that's how I'd treat it. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 01:20, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

Indeed - but the point here is what makes a novel. Not it's publication in book form. e-publishing should have highlighted that anomoly to anyone who thinks about it. The issue is the work a novel if it is published in series form or only whan publishing in one piece. Personally it is only logical to say it is a potential novel "while" in serial publication but "is" a novel once completed, regardless of format or media. :: Kevinalewis : ^{(Talk Page)}/_(Desk) 13:00, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Quotation Marks in Nav Template

Does the {{Nathaniel Hawthorne}} template require quotation marks around every story? It's adding a lot of cruft that's making it difficult to read.Smallman12q (talk) 23:03, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I was working on one of these articles the other day and saw this template. Short stories should be in quotation marks (see the template for Ernest Hemingway), but they should all be redlinked or something. It does look extremely messy. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 01:26, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

Yes to the quotation marks and they should be red linked, Sadads (talk) 17:17, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Scope question

I see no indication in the section on the scope of this project that in includes novelists. As such, I have never tagged any writers for this project. I noticed where Mark Katzman was just tagged for this project. (I don't at this point know if any other writers have been thus tagged.) Has there been a change in consensus about this? (I don't care one way or another; I just want to know.) LadyofShalott 15:38, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Generally, authors should not be in our scope. However, several exemption cases should be included IMHO:

1. Author pages with substantial sections on novels, which the novel page redirects to
2. Author pages which belong explicitely to the scope of one of the taskforces

If anyone disagrees, feel free to correct me,Sadads (talk) 17:21, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

I agree with you Sadads. Authors should be within the scope of Wikipedia:WikiProject Biography and this NovelsWikiProject should focus on writing articles on novels. Biography-articles and novels-articles are fundamentally different types of articles. maclean (talk) 02:56, 11 January 2011 (UTC)