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February 7

Scoring a single in Canadian football

Although I've read single (football), my American mind can't quite grasp the way in which it's scored. I understand that a single is scored if a field goal falls short, lands in the end zone, and bounces goes out the back, but that's the only bit that I'm confident about. What about a punt — if a punt is caught in the end zone and the receiver takes a knee, is that a touchback like in American football, or is that a single? Finally, would someone please try to provide a few simple examples (hopefully comparable to scenarios in American football) of other ways that singles could be scored? Nyttend (talk) 05:32, 7 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The touchback does not exist in Canadian football. Any kicking play (kickoff, punt, or FG attempt) where the receiver is tackled or kneels within his own end zone scores a single. The idea is that a kick that doesn't score a field goal should almost always be followed by a runback, which can be an exciting play because the players are spread out that the kick returner may be able to gain considerable yardage. (Note that Canadian football also doesn't have the fair catch rule, instead requiring the kicking team's players to stay back 5 yards from the player catching the kick.) Unfortunately, today the receiving team often prefers to kneel and concede the single point, so we don't see so many runbacks after failed FG attempts. In my opinion the line of scrimmage following a single should be changed to about the 5-yard line of the receiving team. --Anonymous, 07:54 UTC, February 7, 2011.
In effect, a single is recorded any time the ball is kicked into the opposite end zone and is not brought out by the receiving team. It can be on a punt or on a field goal attempt, but not on a kick-off. A missed field goal does not result in a single if the ball fails to reach the end zone. The receiving team can also kick the ball out of the end zone instead of running it out if it doesn't want to concede the single point; because such a kick usually results in great field position for the original kicking team, this option is only used when time is running out and the single point is crucial to the final score. Typically, most singles are recorded on missed field goals that end up in the stands or in the netting behind the end zone, however. --207.236.147.118 (talk) 15:35, 7 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
There is one exception, I believe -- you don't get a single if a kickoff goes through the end zone. But otherwise, you basically get a point if you force the other team to take a touchback on a kicking play. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 01:08, 8 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Mw is right and 207.236 is wrong -- you can indeed score a single on a kickoff. The exception that you don't get one if the ball goes clear through the end zone (when on other kicking plays, you would) has never made sense to me. --Anonymous, 09:08 UTC, February 8, 2011.

Query about The Way Back movie

In the film The Way Back, the Ed Harris character appears to pour something he's freshly molten into his boot, or down a hole in its lining at least. It's never referred to again, so I'd like to know what he's doing and why? Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Theediscerning (talkcontribs) 16:56, 7 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It's not gold or some other precious metal? Gold melts at quite a low temperature, and shoes are commonly used for hiding valuables. Maybe someone who's read the book knows more. --Colapeninsula (talk) 16:58, 7 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I've not seen the movie, but could it perhaps be gold dust rather than molten gold? Gold dust was commonly used as a means of transporting and storing gold, since it could more easily be molded to various containers than could buillion bricks or coins... --Jayron32 17:45, 7 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Well it did appear to be metallic, but I wouldn't have thought pouring it direct into a boot one was still wearing was completely sensible, even though forced to do it in secrecy. It's not just what he was doing, but the frustration of it never appearing anywhere else in the film... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Theediscerning (talkcontribs) 09:27, 8 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Off speaker Super Bowl Chrysler Commercial?

Hi, I am wondering who's the off speaker of the chrysler commercial with Eminem aired at the Super Bowl 2011. Here the link to the video. His voice is impressive and I think that he's more or less famous for it. If so, can you name him? --Pilettes (talk) 23:31, 7 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It's Kevin Yon from Rockford, Michigan, according to the Detroit Free Press. ---Sluzzelin talk 23:52, 7 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, that was quick. Danke schön! :) --Pilettes (talk) 13:07, 8 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Identify old instrament

I am looking for a catalog that will help me identify my very old mandolin/banjo. It has no markings of any kind. It has 17 fret bars 8 string short neck. I am looking to see if I can fine and identify the inlay,neck top cut and bass cut and style. Can you direct me and help me? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.44.84.148 (talk) 23:48, 7 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

These types of instruments often have a label inside the body, which you way be able to see by using a torch.--Shantavira|feed me 11:02, 8 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Since the OP seems to be in the United States, we should probably say "flashlight" rather than "torch" to prevent the destruction of the instrument by combustion. Deor (talk) 13:02, 8 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
You'll want to find a luthier in your community that specializes in old instruments. They are likely to know of ways to identify such instruments, and if they don't they can find someone who can. Use google or the local phone directory to find a luthier, and then start calling around to see if someone can take a look at it. --Jayron32 19:24, 8 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]


February 8

Where was this scene filmed?

Where was the scene,(in the 1985 film Goonies)where they were in the cave with the piarte ship, filmed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by KingofEV (talkcontribs) 01:57, 8 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

There is a huge amount of information online of the locations in Astoria where certain scenes were filmed, but the pirate ship scene is not one of them. IMDB notes that some scenes were filmed on Stages 12, 15, 16 and 28a in the Warner Bros Burbank Studios. I would imagine the cavern was created on one of these soundstages. Nanonic (talk) 02:16, 8 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The chronology in Zork

Reading the pages about the series, but there's still something I don't get about it. All I know about the continuity and chronology in the series is that Zork Zero takes place before the Zork trilogy. I want to know more about which game takes place when. Could someone be nice and make something like Template:Metroid chronology or Template:Kingdom Hearts chronology in the series page, or somewhere else? And before someone tries to contradict me, yes there is a timeline in the universe. For example, on The open Directory Prject, there are a few pages with lists describing said timeline. However, the lists about the chronology are incomplete and/or unclear. That's why I'm asking about help here, instead. Grey ghost (talk) 09:34, 8 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

EastEnders pays tribute to Coronation Street, but not for the first time

In an episode of EastEnders broadcast in the second week of December 2010, the series paid tribute to its rival Coronation Street by having the character Dot Branning say she was a huge fan of the soap. At the time, the Street was celebrating its 50th anniversary. However, it is not the first time EastEnders has paid tribute to its rival. Coronation Street is referenced in an episode from Christmas Day 1987. My recollection is that Christmas is being celebrated at Pete Beale's flat. Several of the characters are playing charades when Den Watts calls to offer everyone Season's Greetings. He is persuaded to join in and chooses a television programme, which turns out to be Coronatio Street. I have found this which makes reference to it, and as Hilda Ogden left The Street at that time I'm guessing it was by way of tribute to her, but am really not certain. Can anyone shed any light on this for me? It would be interesting to add this fact to the Coronation Street Live (2010) article if there are any references available. I have Googled it, but didn't find a great deal. Cheers TheRetroGuy (talk) 20:50, 8 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]


February 9

Find a How-To

For this card trick? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.181.202.2 (talk) 06:08, 9 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It is basic sleight of hand techniques. In the first case, several times, you can plainly tell that he does a "fake cut" or "fake shuffle" of the deck. The fake cuts, when they are obvious, are really obvious. He cuts the deck into two portions, gives the top portion a 180 or 360 degree twist, and drops it right back on top again. The rapid movement and twist makes it look like he's swapping the position of the two halves, but he really isn't. Secondly, its obvious he is using at least two decks; one deck that he does real shuffles with, and which he has the audience members handle, and the other that is his fixed deck that he tells the story with. The decks are likely being swapped with the aid of the square black pad on top of the black table cloth. That black pad is a bit odd, isn't it? I'm sure it allows him to conceal the swapping of the decks in some way. The way he palms the deck is a dead-giveaway that he is swapping cards and/or decks. Magicians always hold objects in their hands in a specific and peculiar way. They practice it so it looks natural to them, that is it is fluid and graceful, but it is in no way how a normal person handles a deck of cards; the way he holds it is specifically designed to hide the cards from view most of the time, obscuring any sureptious swaps and changes he may make. The story itself is classic misdirection; when he tells the story, your attention drifts from watching his hands, so you don't notice anything he's doing there. --Jayron32 07:00, 9 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Magician School

Is there a magician school for basic magic or street magic? Specifically in New Jersey. How do folks like David Blain and Davie Copperfield get their start? --Endlessdan (talk) 20:02, 9 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I typed "magician classes new jersey" into Google, and one of the links was this: [1]. Professional magicians learn their trade often by apprenticing with older magicians and by LOTS of practice. Magic is a highly precise and choreographed thing, even basic card tricks are highly routined. Magicians make it look natural and spontaneous because they practice a LOT, just as much as professional musicians and dancers and atheletes do. There are also lots of books about how to do magic. Most magicians actually have a pretty common toolset of sleight of hand and other techniques that they all use; once you learn to spot these you'll be surprised how simple most of it is. Note that simple does not mean "easy to do yourself". What a basketball player does when he shoots a basketball is "simple", playing in the NBA is still hard. --Jayron32 00:33, 10 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Raymond Chandler programmes on BBC radio

I understand there are several of them this week. I am only aware of two so far: The Saturday Play "The Big Sleep" on the 5th. February, and A Coat A Hat And A Gun on the previous Thursday. What other ones are/were there please? Thanks 2.97.217.143 (talk) 20:52, 9 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

See http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/features/classic-chandler/ Nanonic (talk) 21:28, 9 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

In past years, BBC7 (now called BBC Radio 7) has broadcast The High Window, also known as The Brasher Doubloon. I'll look back in my files. I remember a series of Philip Marlowe stories in what 7 called their American season. David32768 (talk) 01:59, 12 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Yep, just found The High Window with Ed Bishop as Marlowe broadcast on Dec. 1, 2007. I'll look for more. David32768 (talk) 02:03, 12 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The Big Sleep on Nov. 17, 2007; Farewell My Lovely on Nov. 24, 2007; The Lady in the Lake on Dec. 8, 2007; The Little Sister on Dec. 22, 2007; The Long Goodbye on Dec. 29, 2007; The Lady in the Lake on Aug. 23, 2008; The Big Sleep on Sept. 27, 2008; Farewell My Lovely on Oct. 4, 2008; The High Window on Oct. 11, 2008; The Little Sister on Oct. 18, 2008; The Long Goodbye on Oct. 25, 2008. All these starred Bishop as Marlowe. David32768 (talk) 02:32, 12 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Film made at Camp Cooke, CA - 1943

My grandfather, Harvey L. Hargis, was with the 1st platoon, Comp G, 66th Armored Regiment of the 2nd Armored Division of "Hell on Wheels" 702nd Tank Destroyer Battalion, 195th Anti-Aircraft Battalion. He was inducted July 11, 1941; departed overseas Feb 12, 1944; arrived Feb. 23, 1944; departed Oct 2, 1945 and arrived back in the United States Oct. 11, 1945; separated from the army on Oct 17, 1945. As his granddaughter, I have many of his photos, a couple of large maps and misc personal items belonging to him, he passed away Nov 9, 1980.

Among these photos, which I found very interesting, was photos of a film crew taking pictures of what looked like army tanks in battle. One tank had smoke coming out of it and a couple soldiers, one wounded, one on the ground near the tank. Another photo showed what looked like an actor with a mustash wearing a hat, scarf and western shirt with belt with several soldiers around him. I did not recognize the actor. I have photos of the film crew making the film.

My questions are: Was there a hollywood film made at Camp Cooke in California in 1943? What was the name of the movie? Who starred in it? and, How does my grandfather's tank platoon fit into all of that, if at all. Was it just a training movie for the army?----

If you were to scan the photo and post it to a site like Flickr and direct us to the site, someone might be able to identify the apparent actor. Comet Tuttle (talk) 23:03, 9 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
According to TCM's notes, "some scenes were shot on location at Camp Cooke" for This Is the Army (1943). It starred some actor with higher aspirations. Can you tell if the tanks are from World War I or II? After reading the synopsis, it looks like this film would only have battle scenes from WWI. Clarityfiend (talk) 00:18, 10 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
you might also be able to look on real military flix to see if there was a training film fitting that description they have a sizeable archive of them ranging from basic training stuff to OSS top secret-level training films about establishing cover in enemy territory... I didn't see anything that meets your description right off the bat though in their WWII section. 65.29.47.55 (talk) 01:44, 10 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Just so I can win an argument, this is in 12/8 time, right? The article is evasive on the subject. 86.6.193.43 (talk) 22:11, 9 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Personally, and I've just gone through the original theme to do this, I find you can map it to a straight 4/4 time sig. Don't know where 12/8 comes from, sorry. --TammyMoet (talk) 22:29, 9 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I can see how it's quadruple meter. But it's completely in triplets; no-one would write a piece in 4/4 where every beat was tripletted, you'd rewrite it more legibly in 12/8 surely... (For the record, the person I was arguing with said it was 6/8.) 86.6.193.43 (talk) 23:20, 9 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Just as a counterarguement, I'm right now looking at sheet music for Jesu, Joy of Man's Desiring (Hal Leonard's Greatest Guitar Songbook) which is notably written in 3/4 time and its all triplets, notably not written in 9/8, which would be the equivalent compound meter for 3/4 as 12/8 is for 4/4. Not being a huge music theory expert, someone else could likely explain why this is different than the Dr. Who debate above, but I just wanted to point out that sometimes music is written is simple time signatures and all triplets. --Jayron32 03:41, 10 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Not sure what it will take to win the argument, but it is indeed 12/8. (To Tammy- this means 4 beats per measure, and each beat is subdivided into triplets.) See Compound meter. Staecker (talk) 03:33, 10 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
(See also: example of a rhythm notated in 12/8 and in 4/4.) --Bavi H (talk) 04:13, 10 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Is your argument specifically about the original score? If not, as long as it fits mathematically, the choice of time signature used in the notation seems more of an editorial decision, not a property intrinsic to the music. As you noted, if there's a constant triplet beat, 12/8 can help remove the need for writing little 3s over every eighth note trio. But if it's a syncopated or occasional triplet, 4/4 may be used: example 1, example 2. Or perhaps you might choose to divide each 12/8 measure into two 6/8 measures, if you consider measures with total durations of more than 4 quarter notes may be confusing for your music readers? --Bavi H (talk) 03:50, 10 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
According to this it's in 4/4. I rest my case. --TammyMoet (talk) 13:58, 10 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I think much of the confusion comes from the use of echo. If you remove the echo, it fits into 4/4 time easily. With the echo, each note is repeated a few times very quickly, sounding like a long string of triplets. I don't think there is a standard notation for "4/4 with a strong echo". -- kainaw 14:29, 10 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Jo Stafford biographies

Can anyone tell me, have any biographies been written about the wartime singer Jo Stafford? I have been looking for one for ages, but without luck. 81.151.31.198 (talk) 23:21, 9 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

A quick Google Books search doesn't turn up one, but searching there for Jo Stafford does yield one book (the second one in the list) that at least gives her a few pages of biography. Comet Tuttle (talk) 23:47, 9 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]


February 11

forgotten animal actors

I remember seeing a black-and-white dog in Against All Odds. The dog's name, I believe, was Mike the Dog. What kind of dog was he? Is there more information about him? What are Panther the Cat (from Early Edition) and Happy the dog (from 7th Heaven) up to nowadays?24.90.204.234 (talk) 08:28, 11 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Though not a super reliable source, IMDB's credit lists are usually accurate. Their credits page for Against All Odds lists a dog with the real name of "Tundra the Wonder Dog"; Tundra's other appearance seems to have been in this episode of The New Leave It To Beaver. Googling tundra the wonder dog mostly yields mirrors and translations of the IMDB pages, but it also yields this 1989 article from People magazine, which mentions Tundra briefly and says it's a female Samoyed; Google also yields this page, advertising an American Sign Language video about dog care and training, which Tundra seems to have starred in. Samoyeds are all white, though, not black-and-white; is this the dog you remember? Comet Tuttle (talk) 19:53, 11 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

No, afraid not.24.90.204.234 (talk) 22:29, 11 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Panther the Cat, according to IMDB and this site was born in 1987, so he would be 24 if he's alive today. He doesn't seem to have appeared in anything other than Early Edition. Happy was born in 1995 and has only appeared in 7th Heaven (again from IMDB). She was trained by Shawn Weber who works for Boones Animals for Hollywood - Happy appears in their photo gallery, but not in the animals available for hire. The trivia section for 7th Heaven says that the series' creator saw Happy on another set, implying that she has been on other shows, but it's not clear if she was working or where, and IMDB trivia may not be reliable. --Kateshortforbob talk 20:13, 11 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

S.K.U.N.K: Irish 1990s children's fiction

Hello everyone, I am trying to trace a children's (or young adult) novel series published in Ireland in the 1990s. The heroine was named something like Ashling Daly from Dalkey or Dún Laoghaire, whose fantasy was to play hockey internationally. She was drawn into adventure by having to look after a grouchy elderly disabled man perhaps named Séamus, who was secretly involved in a heroic organisation dedicated to fighting the evil agency S.K.U.N.K. (a SPECTRE clone). Two prominent members of SKUNK are a Latvian (or Lithuanian) pair with the dimensions of Laurel and Hardy. In one of the novels Séamus and his allies travel around in the back of a vehicle designed to look like a container, and are betrayed by their driver (Kevin).

Maddeningly, I haven't been able to track this down using search engines. Does it ring a bell? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.70.249.97 (talk) 08:40, 11 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds like you're looking for the S.K.U.N.K. series by Margrit Cruickshank, on which and on whom we don't seem to have a page. --Antiquary (talk) 18:40, 11 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
That's exactly it! I am bewildered at how little the internet knows of it. Thanks, Antiquary! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.70.245.96 (talk) 18:55, 11 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Image in infobox

Could anyone please tell me how to add an image to a Wikipedia infobox? Thanks for any help! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tina-Cassiopeia (talkcontribs) 09:10, 11 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox has some info: you can modify the example there. Wikipedia:Upload will help with uploading images. If you have more questions about how to edit Wikipedia you should ask on Wikipedia:Help desk rather than here. --Colapeninsula (talk) 10:26, 11 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Question about the Pet Shop Boys song "Opportunities (Let's Make Lots of Money)"

Which version of the song "Opportunities (Let's Make Lots of Money)" appears in the Pet Shop Boys debut album Please? The 1985 version or the 1986 version? And which one of these versions appears in the PSB compilation Discography: The Complete Singles Collection? 186.104.114.29 (talk) 15:54, 11 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Based on the article you referenced, under the "history" section, it appears that the second version is on Please . (edit) Although that may not be the case. There is more information about the tracks here: [2] .10draftsdeep (talk) 17:16, 11 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

February 12

Oldest football player to have ever won a World Cup and oldest tennis player to have ever won a Grand Slam.

Who is the oldest football player (including goalkeepers) to have ever won a FIFA World Cup? Who is the oldest tennis player to have ever won a Grand Slam tournament? Thanks in advance. --190.19.29.74 (talk) 00:01, 12 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

For Open era (after 1968) tennis, it looks like Ken Rosewall in 1972 at age 37y 2m 1d and Martina Navratilova at age 46 and 8 months in 2003. Rmhermen (talk) 00:37, 12 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
And the oldest player to win the World Cup was in fact a goalkeeper: Dino Zoff. He was also the oldest player to participate in a World Cup final, according to FIFA World Cup records. ---Sluzzelin talk 01:03, 12 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
As for the oldest player to win the FIFA Women's World Cup, I couldn't find that information readily available anywhere. So far, the oldest I found is Renate Lingor, who won the 2007 FIFA Women's World Cup 11 days before her 32nd birthday. But I didn't check any other winning teams, only the German team in 2007, so there may well be older ones). ---Sluzzelin talk 16:43, 12 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Now I checked some more, and found that Michelle Akers won the 1999 FIFA Women's World Cup at 33 1/2. ---Sluzzelin talk 16:53, 12 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Silke Rottenberg won it in 2007, she was part of the German team and was 35. Nanonic (talk) 17:06, 12 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, good catch. I only looked at the players who were on the field during the final. ---Sluzzelin talk 17:28, 12 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

identify the singer of hindi song

who is the singer of hindi song ' Dum bhar de udhar moo phere' —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.225.96.217 (talk) 12:43, 12 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Lata Mangeshkar and Mukesh do the singing in the film Awaara, according to various sites. It is usually transliterated as "Dam Bhar Jo Udhar Munh Phere" ---Sluzzelin talk 13:09, 12 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

identify the singer of the hindi song 'jawa hai mohabbat'

who is the singer of the hindi song 'jawa hai mohabbat' from the film -anmol ghari —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.225.96.217 (talk) 13:40, 12 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]


noorjehan. http://www.bollywoodhungama.com/movies/audiolisting/769/index.htmlGabenowicki (talk) 18:54, 12 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Judie Tzuke's son-in-law

I've just been watching the Six Nations Rugby on BBC One and my query is indirectly connected with a question asked by the presenter. Before the match the presenter - I think it was Sonja McLaughlan - asked some of her guests if they knew the identity of Judie Tzuke's son-in-law. I missed the answer and wondered if someone who'd also seen this segment could tell me what it is. Could be useful for a pub quiz or something. Thanks 86.135.40.124 (talk) 14:57, 12 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Lewis Moody. Judia Tsuke's partner is Paul Muggleton, Lewis married Paul's daughter Annie in 2006. Nanonic (talk) 15:51, 12 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
And Lewis Moody was the guest she was interviewing at the time: it was a joke she played on her co-presenters in the studio, to whom she posed the question (and who naturally did not know the answer) before reposing it to Moody himself to elicit the surprise answer. 87.81.230.195 (talk) 18:24, 14 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Pop culture question from Africa

Great future can also be seen through, the world of the others. i am a young and devorted boy in africa; cameroon having a strong love for acting or singing but circontances never alow us her to share with the world what we can do.on my kneels i stand to begg for help from any one of help even afer repay back i will be happy to ,please i will like to become even one of my greatest dreams reviles .in look series like Kyle xy, scott brothers and secrete life of american teenagers i see and understand that all messeges can only be translated through films, series,music and many more.. I do believe in the message that is there and sure on famous persons out there to help poor like us so please if any one thinks of being able to help let him contact me through facebook or my email which will be given below.A m sure i will have nothing doing after my year of school not even being able to go to the university so in the real terms am begging for help for a better future that will be directly next year.thank for understanding. my name is betangha john <email removed> —Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.202.202.39 (talk) 15:22, 12 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Fever fetishism

I have heard yellow fever meaning Asian fetish and jungle fever meaning black fetish. So, is there a term for a person who has desi fetish meaning fetish towards Indian, Pakistani, Sri Lankan and Bangladeshi? What about Latina fetish? What about white fetish? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.92.152.3 (talk) 16:13, 12 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

"Curry fever" and "salsa fever", also listed on urbandictionary are "falafel fever", "oolong fever", "hay fever", "rice fever", "cocoa fever", "sand fever" "snow white fever", "monsoon fever" "Bieber fever" etc, although I doubt many of these have much currency. Other than jungle, my slang dictionary only seems to list "curry queen" and "yellow fever" both of them from homosexual usage. Jungle fever originally meant white desire for black but it was reappropriated to black desire for white with the movie Jungle Fever, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SikqrRQHbrw meltBanana 19:41, 12 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Discography of Blowfly

I've been downloading all the Blowfly albums i can find over the last few days, and i've noticed that i've been finding albums that are not listed on Blowfly's wikipedia page, but are still real albums that he put out. I wonder if someone could update the Blowfly page's "Discography" section so that a more accurate list of albums and dates they were originally released is presented. it could aid me in my search to find all his material. I always use wikipedia when i am looking for the entire discography of an artist, and this is the first time that the discography section has not been entirely correct (which is incredible, by the way. well done guys!), so i was hoping i could get some assistance in the matter. Thanks guys! Here are some links to sites that i've found with other Blowfly albums that are not included in the Discography section: http://henrystonemusic.com/store/hsmstoreblowflycd.htm http://www.amazon.com/Blowfly/e/B000APTJRA/works/ref=ntt_mus_teaser It's all very confusing because alot of his album's titles have the same words in them, for example, "Zodiac Blowfly", "Zodiac Party", "Blowfly's Party", ect. Any Assistance would be much appreciated. --Garebare (talk) 18:38, 12 February 2011 (UTC)Garebare[reply]

Guidelines for creating page about Musician?

I want to create a page about a musician; specifically a guitarist of a certain genre. I plan to include factual information (with reference links) about his albums, songs, gear equipment, career, and a short bio. I'm worried about the later and anything else that could cause a page deletion to occur. When I went to create the page (searching his name first to make sure it didn't already exist) the results showed two prior deletions for the same name with the following codes and reasons:

(Page deleted in 2008) - A7 (bio): Real person; doesn't indicate importance/significance

(Page deleted in 2007) - CSD A7: Article does does not indicate why its subject is important or significant

I've read what these mean but just looking for what 'not to do' when making a page about a living person. I see plenty of other Wikipedia pages about living musicians and guitarists that apparently meet the criteria. I just don't want to add anything extra that merits deletiion. Please advise, thanks.

Steve N. Mavronis (talk) 20:36, 12 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Your subject needs to meet either the general notability guideline or the notability criteria for musicians, so take a look at those links first. Your article needs to demonstrate how he meets the guidelines; in other words, you need to cite substantial coverage of him in reliable sources. You're looking for articles about him in newspapers, magazines and books, or on reliable independent websites (not blogs, Facebook pages or self-published sites). Create the article in a user sandbox first, so you can work on it with less chance of it being deleted before it's ready. Clicking on this redlink: User:Snmavronis/sandbox will create such a sandbox if you wish. Listing it at WP:RFF for feedback when you're done will also help minimise the danger of another deletion nomination. Karenjc 21:42, 12 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

February 13

Animal Crossing help

For anybody who owns the original Animal Crossing for Gamecube, I need some assistance. I remember hearing about a special event within the game in which the Mayor directs you to maintain the lighthouse in town while he is away. I don't know how to turn the lighthouse on! How does one go about this? (Sorry if this question seems strange, but this is the first place I thought of to ask.) 75.73.225.224 (talk) 03:25, 13 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know but possibly your best bet for such specialized info would be at GameFAQs.com. Dismas|(talk) 06:22, 13 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
If you enter it through the back between the hours of 6 and 10 p.m., there should be a lever on your right you can activate with the A button. 207.118.2.115 (talk) 23:13, 14 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Music

Can a professional musician explain to me what constitute as good music? I find this piece http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hVGWdvTgMo&playnext=1&list=PL48D4F446CDFC484E one of the greatest masterpieces of all time, it sounds so nice, yet the composer doesn't even have a wikipedia page. Furthermore, I have extreme difficulty in enjoying many classical masterpieces, especially the slow ones. I do not like modern music much (I say this because apparently most modern listeners don't like classical). I like the fusion of classical and epic like the one in the link. If someone can explain to me my strange taste I would really appreciate it. Thanks. Money is tight (talk) 10:51, 13 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Musical tastes are very individual and do not require any explanation or defence. You like what you like and you dislike what you dislike. Rather than getting hung up on what's "good" and "bad" music, just say "I like it" or "I don't like it". Nobody can ever argue with that. As for music you don't like, sometimes it's possible to be trained to hear what others hear, and to then start to appreciate the music they think is fabulous but which you can't quite get, at the moment. But sometimes a lifetime of training will never work; for example, I know I will never learn to like heavy metal, and others will never learn to like opera. Horses for courses. -- Jack of Oz [your turn] 11:16, 13 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Then why do some composers achieve so much fame and others don't? Like I said, the guy that wrote the piece in my link doesn't even have a wikipedia page. I respect people like Franz Schubert and John Williams but I only like a small part of their music, and yet they are so famous. Furthermore, Mozart is widely regard as an opera writer (and I believe that's where he wrote his best pieces?), yet I hate all his operas and really enjoy his symphonies and piano concertos (and for that matter the ones I do enjoy seem to be the "non famous" ones, like piano concerto no 25). Also Hans Zimmer definitely deserves a lot more recognition than what he has. I know that most people like listening to rock / hiphop / modern music and nothing else, so how do some composers get so famous when the majority of people don't even like them? Money is tight (talk) 14:52, 13 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Modern "classical" composers may get famous by writing movie music (Dmitri Shostakovich), video games (sometimes performed in concert Symphonic Game Music Concerts, for example), or being just weird (John Cage's 4'33"). 75.41.110.200 (talk) 19:20, 13 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
You seem to be trying to make a connection between the number of people who like a particular composer's music, how much of their oeuvre is likeable and by whom, and whether or not they're famous. These are all different things. Some composers are now famous for exactly one piece yet they wrote many other works. There were classical "one-hit wonders" long before the term was used in popular music. I might mention Henry Charles Litolff and the Scherzo from his Concerto Symphonique No. 4, for example. The Scherzo is righly famous, but very few people know even the rest of the Concerto, let alone a single other work by Litolff. Why is that single excerpt enough to keep Litolff's name alive? People like it, that's all. When I say the name Albinoni, what do most people think of? That's right, Albinoni's Adagio - a work of which Albinoni wrote not a single note. He wrote a lot of other stuff, but he's world-famous for a work written centuries after his death by someone else (Remo Giazotto) and misattributed to Albinoni. Who knows anything he actually did write? He has a tiny following, at best, for these authentic works. The classical CD catalogue has been greatly expanded of recent years with works by composers that very few modern-day people have ever heard of; they maybe had a level of fame in their day, then sank into obscurity; but someone has rediscovered them and is sharing their works again. Some of these people would have WP articles, others wouldn't. Not yet, anyway. Schubert wrote a vast amount of music - just under 1,000 separate compositions, from simple 2-minute songs to 4-movement sonatas to 4-act operas - but almost nobody knows it all. People who like Schubert will generally know a handful or two of pieces, and listen to them regularly. That might represent only 2 per cent of his total output, but it still qualifies the listener to call themselves "a Schubert lover". You picked a bad example, in a way, because Schubert's quality was amazingly uniform, which is true for very few other composers. I love Mozart and Beethoven, but there are some pieces by both these guys that I cannot abide. For me it's not about opera vs. concertos vs. symphonies - there are examples of all of these that I love, but other examples of each type that I'm not so cracked on. When it comes to the Hans Zimmers of the world, the establishment tends to look down their noses at composers who write film music; no matter how popular and successful it may be, it will never be up there with the Mahlers and Brahmses. Look at Erich Wolfgang Korngold - a fantastic genius who put Mozart in the shade for precocity, and had a burgeoning career as a "serious composer", then went to Hollywood where his fame shot to even greater heights, while his reputation sank like a stone among academicians. Why? Because he was writing film music that people immediately liked, and did not have to "struggle" over. Therefore it was obviously of little consequence and it - and he - were not to be taken seriously anymore. Thank God these "experts" don't get to decide what people actually like and actually buy. Is it "good music"? Abandon this paradigm, it will get you nowhere. If it's good enough for you to like, that's all that matters. -- Jack of Oz [your turn] 19:49, 13 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Right, so these "academicians" are the problem. Well I really think they should get off their ass and actually do something useful. I guess my misunderstanding was due to that in mathematics we don't have this kind of "academician problem". If you're good and publish revolutionary ideas solving open problems you will get recognized by everyone in your field (unlike the natural science math can be verified by human hand, not super expensive particle accelerators). Money is tight (talk) 20:48, 13 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Other factors include cultural stereotypes, historical hypocrisy, snobbishness et al. They're relaxing somewhat, with the rise of the crossover culture. Purists hate it, but ordinary people don't seem to mind in the slightest. -- Jack of Oz [your turn] 20:56, 13 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Robert Wyatt/Julian Glover

On Julian Glover's page it claims he is the half brother of Robert Wyatt. This claim does not appear on Wyatt's page. The links given don't mention it either. I wonder if anyone out there can confirm it? If so I'll do the necessary editing. --TammyMoet (talk) 17:11, 13 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Discogs has "Born: Robert Wyatt, January 28, 1945 in Bristol, England to Honor Wyatt a teacher and BBC journalist. Wyatt became Robert Ellidge [or Robert Wyatt Ellidge] and moved with his mother and father, George Ellidge an industrial psychologist, to West Dulwich, England in 1950. The family included three other children from previous relationships: George's son Mark Ellidge [later a renowned photographer and a pianist on Wyatt recordings] and Honor's daughter Prudence and son Julian Glover [later to become a renowned actor]."[3] ---Sluzzelin talk 17:31, 13 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks Sluzzelin. I've added Glover to the family section, but can't quite remember how to insert the reference! Blast! Can someone oblige please? I've got to go and make tea! --TammyMoet (talk) 18:10, 13 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Done. Clarityfiend (talk) 01:08, 14 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
A community edited website should probably not be used as a reference in a biography. meltBanana 05:42, 14 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, I've replaced it with Sluzzelin's Theatre Record one. Clarityfiend (talk) 21:52, 14 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks Clarityfiend. MB, surely any reference is better than none, which is what was there before? Maybe the reference needs to be added to Glover's page as well? --TammyMoet (talk) 10:42, 14 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
After a lot of Googling I can't find any reliable sources. Neither Debrett's People of Today nor BFI Screenonline mention anything in Glover's bio. Glover certainly comes from a family of Wyatts, though I'm not convinced Robert is a relative. --Colapeninsula (talk) 13:14, 14 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Google books has some indirect references. "Any reference is better than none" is a poor idea as a bad reference conceals the fact that a better reference needs to be given. Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_48#Discogs pronounces it unreliable, if it was merely about Wyatt's discography then it might not matter but as it is about family then a higher standard should probably be upheld per Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons#Reliable_sources meltBanana 13:30, 14 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I checked some old copies of The Wire, which have often featured Wyatt, but found nothing. One of the indirect references mentioned by MeltBanana is viewable on their own site: Theatre Record, Issue 15 - 2004. It doesn't mention the parents or other siblings, but it confirms that Wyatt is Glover's "younger half-brother". ---Sluzzelin talk 13:47, 14 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The suggestion appears to be that Wyatt's mother Honor Wyatt was a BBC journalist and producer once married to fellow journalist Gordon Glover. She had two boys, Julian Glover and Robert Wyatt, by different fathers, as well as a daughter named Prudence. Wyatt's father George Ellidge joined Honor's household when Wyatt was about six (see Wyatt's statement in this Guardian interview), bringing with him his own son Mark Ellidge. Wyatt mentions this in the interview ("Then my big brother turned up, his other son"). This doesn't seem to be an independent reliable source, but gives a clear explanation of what is supposed to have happened. I can't find any authoritative single source that confirms it.This is Glover's birth record at ancestry.co.uk, and this is Wyatt's. Both give the mother's name as Wyatt. This source says Glover is the son of the Honor Wyatt who was married to Gordon Glover and was a friend of Robert Graves who visited him in Majorca, and that Prue Glover was his sister. This one says that Wyatt's mother was the Honor Wyatt who was a BBC producer. I think it's pretty clear the statement is true, but the only way I can find to reference it is an unsatisfactory synthesis of sources. Karenjc 16:55, 14 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

February 14

daisy fame actress sonia

where is the daisy film actress sonia(also know as sonia of sheika )now —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.83.56.81 (talk) 08:38, 14 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

"Do you remember" song

I heard on the radio a song in which the lyrics repeated the phrase "Do you remember?" every once and then. No, it's none of the songs listed on the Do You Remember? disambiguation page. The song, sung by a man, had a very nostalgic mood. The singer's voice and the song itself reminded me of the song Forever young, by Alphaville.

I've searched everywhere but I couldn't find the song. Thanks in advance, TomasBat 14:17, 14 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Wild guess #1: "Try to Remember". ---Sluzzelin talk 14:36, 14 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Another wild guess: Kayleigh by Marillion? -- Ferkelparade π 14:39, 14 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Do you remember, cherry blossom in the market square? Do you remember, we thought it was confetti in our hair? ring any bells? That's Kayleigh by Marillion. DuncanHill (talk) 14:42, 14 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
An even wilder guess: I Remember It Well from Gigi (musical), though that is a duet for a man and a woman, memorably sung (in a nostalgic mood) by Maurice Chevalier and Hermione Gingold in the film version. AndrewWTaylor (talk) 15:58, 14 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, one more :-) "Sea of Love" repeats the chorus "Do you remember when we met? (That's the day I knew you were my pet)" ---Sluzzelin talk 16:08, 14 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The web is filled with lyric pages, including those which, intentionally or not, incorporate most mondegreens. If you can remember any more lyrics (*especially* the non-memorable ones, as they're more likely to be unique), you can search for the phrases in quotes, and have a page with the song title pop up as the first hit on most search engines. Failing that, more lyrics will at least help us narrow it down. -- 174.21.250.120 (talk) 16:15, 14 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Ooooh, that's true, but we try to intuit and grok these questions too. I missed the Alphaville part. I believe Ferkelparade and Duncan grokked it immediately. But only TomasBat can resolve it now. ---Sluzzelin talk 21:43, 14 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Wow! I can't believe you guys got it! Ferkelparade and DuncanHill had it right: Kayleigh was the song I was looking for. Thanks to all for helping me find it :) TomasBat 02:28, 15 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

February 15

identify the singer of marathi song and movie

who is the singer of the marathi song'anand chi doe anand hi anand' also identify the 'movie" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.225.96.217 (talk) 11:21, 15 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Where to watch Jeopardy with Watson?

Hi all, Does anyone know where I can watch a complete or partial version of last night's Jeopardy match? Preferably, not a video that gives away what happened straight away, as I don't know the outcome yet... Thanks! — Sam 63.138.152.135 (talk) 13:29, 15 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I found yesterday's complete show on YouTube. Thanks. — Sam 63.138.152.135 (talk) 14:35, 15 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The Man Who Came Back

About 25 years ago I read a novella titled The Man Who Came Back which was set in the year 2375, but I can't remember the author's name.

Plot summary

The plot saw the main protagonist (and narrator of the tale) placed in suspended animation in 1970 after being diagnosed with a terminal illness, then woken again when technological advances mean he can be cured. He finds himself in a USSR-style country where everyone is ranked as types of citizen - A Citizens, B Citizens, etc. The whole thing is run by The Group. Enemies of the state are disatched in horrendous fashion. The protagonist becomes an A Citizen and meets a girl named Cresta who apparently belongs to an undergroun organisation and the pair plot to escape the country. However, Cresta turns out to be a double agent, and the narrator is arrested as they make their bid for freedom.

Does anyone know the name of the author? I have googled this and there are several hits for books and films of this title, but I can't find a synopsis to match this one. Can anyone help? Cheers. TheRetroGuy (talk) 16:55, 15 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Brian Stableford. The novella is listed under collections 16. --Cookatoo.ergo.ZooM (talk) 17:08, 15 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think that's the one I have in mind. I've just found it on Google Books and it seems to be a different story. Interesting though so thanks for finding it. I've ordered a copy from Amazon. TheRetroGuy (talk) 17:34, 15 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I can confirm that Stableford's (very short) story of this title isn't the one, RetroGuy, having just re-read it in the October 1966 (Vol 1 No 8) issue of sf impulse where it first appeared. The title does ring a different bell with me, though, so I'll dig some more. 87.81.230.195 (talk) 14:58, 16 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Don't we have a user who edits here sometimes under the handle "TheManWhoCameBack"? That guy might know :) TomorrowTime (talk) 20:59, 15 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
That would be The Fat Man Who Never Came Back, whose chosen moniker now seems quite apt. Matt Deres (talk) 21:23, 15 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
It's also not the story of that title by Robert Silverberg, first published in 1961 in the UK's New Worlds magazine, reprinted in 1974 in Galaxy magazine, in 1975 in the Lester del Rey-edited Best SF of the Year 1974, and in anonymously edited anthologies in 1982 and 1983 (I've just read the last-mentioned appearance). 87.81.230.195 (talk) 15:28, 16 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The short Badger Books-published 1964 novel The Man Who Came Back by "Neil Thanet" (Robert Lionel Fanthorpe) is a possibility, but the cover (not always a good guide with Badger Books) doesn't seem appropriate to your remembered plot - regrettably, I haven't a copy to hand with which to check definitively. 87.81.230.195 (talk) 15:41, 16 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Robert Taylor on I Love Lucy

Why has Robert Taylor's guest episode of "I Love Lucy" never been seen since the 50's? I was a child but I do remember his appearance with Lucy set in a farmers market. Syndication of "I Love Lucy" never shows it! List of I Love Lucy episodes skips date March 7, 1955. Was his episode aired then? and why never shown in syndication??? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 169.244.148.235 (talk) 19:45, 15 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

According to this, Taylor never appeared on I Love Lucy, just an orange fictionally signed by him. IMDb doesn't list Lucy among his credits either. Clarityfiend (talk) 23:38, 15 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
This list[4] indicates a reference (ep. 122) to Robert Taylor signing an orange, but he is not in the cast. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots07:40, 16 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

McFly / Enigma

Does anyone know if the song sung by McFly towards the end of Enigma is original, or is one of their existing songs, with new lyrics? AndyJones (talk) 20:49, 15 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I believe it's "Obviously" rewritten with new lyrics. MorganaFiolett (talk) 16:40, 16 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

February 16

watching tv programs online like online news

Where can Jeopardy that plays for free on local tv stations be watched online via real time streaming? --Inning (talk) 00:16, 16 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I don't believe it can be done legally in the US. I've been searching on and off for a couple weeks and haven't found anything. In particular, I'd like to see the recent episodes with the Watson computer but can't find them either. Seems you and I are in the same boat. Dismas|(talk) 13:11, 16 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I think the problem is with advertising. TV shows on channels with adverts basically exist to expose people to advertisements. If the shows were streamed, the adverts might not be part of the stream; the TV channels want to force people into watching the adverts, which is why streams aren't often provided. In the meantime, there is an answer to the question of how you can watch Jeopardy vs. Watson just a few answers above this one. --Viennese Waltz 13:16, 16 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Yep, the IP said that they found it on YouTube but didn't provide details or links. I've looked using various search terms. I found a number of promotional pieces but not the episodes in question. Dismas|(talk) 13:35, 16 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
It may have been deleted from Youtube for copyright reasons since the IP wrote that. I've seen people get around the copyright issue by pointing their video camera at the TV screen and uploading that to Youtube, but I dunno, that seems like a lot of work to me. --Viennese Waltz 13:50, 16 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Of course, that doesn't get around the "copyright issue",but it might get around YouTube's attempts to automatically detect copyright violations. APL (talk) 14:46, 16 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I always assumed that it would get around the issue. Surely you're allowed to upload anything that you record in your own home (as long as it's not pornographic, violent etc)? --Viennese Waltz 14:50, 16 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
As a smoker who can't smoke indoors, it's really annoying when something I'm watching doesn't have commercial breaks. Hulu.com has them, sometimes, and of course you get them at places like ABC.com. (Pausing an online stream, of course, can work -- but somehow the structure of it, both dramatically and temporally, just isn't as satisfying as just stepping away for the duration of a typical commercial breaks). WikiDao 13:34, 16 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Looks like you may be able to get the torrent at thepiratebay.org. WikiDao 13:34, 16 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
This should be interesting, the last time I referred people to a torrent site for a question like this my post got deleted within a few minutes. Let's see how long this one lasts... --Viennese Waltz 13:47, 16 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Frankly, I'd "VandalPatrol" myself on that one if I could convince myself that it really is a clear and willful violation of WP:LINKVIO. WikiDao 14:03, 16 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I've gone ahead and de-linked it. For the sake of consistency if nothing else. It's nearly as useful this way, anyway. APL (talk) 14:49, 16 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Fair enough. First time I've ever tried to link there; was actually expecting it to be spam-blacklisting, was surprised when the link actually got posted. WikiDao 14:57, 16 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I would like to see more on the young film director Brendan Moriarty ...

Brendan Moriarty directed the feature film "The Road To Freedom" and now is doing Kings of Angkor and producing the war film "Mayaguez" in Cambodia late this year. Just google this kids name. Thank you for your time Willie Barela. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bajanvista (talkcontribs) 06:39, 16 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

We rely on published information, and there seems to be little information about him beyond what is in the article which you have already started. The issue of whether he is (yet) sufficiently notable for an article of any sort needs to be considered. Ghmyrtle (talk) 09:24, 16 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Which Wizardry series game is this?

I remember a much-beloved game from my childhood, I'm fairly certain it's a member of the Wizardry series, but I don't remember which it is. The cogent points about it I remember are:

  • I played it on an x8088
  • It came on a fair number of 5.25" floppies, at least four or five, maybe more like six, it wasn't a CD-ROM
  • The graphics were 3d-like, you could turn and walk around, the graphics were about on-par with Eye of The Beholder, even though due to a lack of distinguishing features on walls it was very easy to get turned around (for a 10-year-old anyway)
  • At one point near the start of the game you find yourself putting rotten cheese in front of a hole to open up a new area due to rat stampede breaking down the wall
  • There was a bell tower of some kind, I remember bats being up there
  • it was AMAZINGLY difficult, at least for a 10-year-old
  • it was not Crusaders of the Dark Savant
  • I don't remember any sort of town or starting area, it started rather abruptly without a whole lot of guidance, with you facing in a room with lots of doors that were immune to your bend bars/break gates ability at that level.

I think it may be Bane of the Cosmic Forge, but I can't find much detail on that game. Any help would be very appreciated 65.29.47.55 (talk) 08:54, 16 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Ex-Porn star now in US Army.214.13.163.133 (talk) 22:47, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

What is the name of the Ex-Porn star that is now in the US Army. I know she is in a Communications MOS.