User talk:Ashot Arzumanyan

A long block/unblock story

The discussion

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

Ashot Arzumanyan (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

I am accused of being a sock puppet of Psalm Tours . The reality is the following. Being unaware that role accounts are prohibited I made some contributions to Wikipedia from role account Psalm Tours . After Cirt blocked Psalm Tours he also marked all of my contributions for deletion. In order to provide evidence that the content I provided from that role account is still well sourced and should not be deleted, I signed up for a personal account Ashot Arzumanyan and provided those evidences in the discussion pages. Right after that Ashot Arzumanyan was accused by Cirt for being a sock puppet account and was blocked. Well, I am really sorry for not being aware of the role account rule and would like to continue making contributions to Wikipedia from my personal account and on behalf of myself.

Decline reason:

Checkuser-confirmed sock of Psalm Tours. Blueboy 96 01:43, 22 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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You're not addressing the key issue: the "role account" was blocked for spam edits. Personal account or not, the spam edits cannot continue. Promotional or WP:COI editing cannot occur. Please address this issue. (talk→ BWilkins ←track) 12:04, 21 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: There was a hyperlink to my company website in the role account Psalm Tours which was not put for spamming or advertising reasons. Since we did not know that role account was a violation of rules, we put a hyperlink to the company website in the user page so that others might learn more about the owner of the role account if interested. I kindly request to unblock my personal account Ashot Arzumanyan and tell me if there are some actions I should avoid in the future. Thank you. -- Ashot (talk) 18:30, 21 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment on decline decision of Blueboy96: As far as I am aware Check User examines IPs. It is obvious that in my case the same internet connection should be used both for the role account Psalm Tours and the personal account Ashot Arzumanyan which was created by me right after the role account was blocked. -- Ashot (talk) 06:40, 22 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

{{[[Template:This account is accused to be a sock puppet of Psalm Tours. I claim that it is not a sock puppet for the following reason:Psalm Tours was a role account and multiple persons (including me but not me alone) accessed it because they didn't know about the role account rule. However this account is my personal account and it was created AFTER the role account was blocked indefinitely. Hence there was no single second when both accounts coexisted. It is obvious, that role account would rightfully never be unblocked and hence creation of this personal account was the only opportunity for me to make contributions on behalf of myself. Apart from that please consider the following: I personally admit and am sorry for being involved in role account rule violation. This account has not been involved in any spam or misleading edits. I assure that I will do my best not to violate any Wikipedia rules in the future.|This account is accused to be a sock puppet of Psalm Tours. I claim that it is not a sock puppet for the following reason:Psalm Tours was a role account and multiple persons (including me but not me alone) accessed it because they didn't know about the role account rule. However this account is my personal account and it was created AFTER the role account was blocked indefinitely. Hence there was no single second when both accounts coexisted. It is obvious, that role account would rightfully never be unblocked and hence creation of this personal account was the only opportunity for me to make contributions on behalf of myself. Apart from that please consider the following: I personally admit and am sorry for being involved in role account rule violation. This account has not been involved in any spam or misleading edits. I assure that I will do my best not to violate any Wikipedia rules in the future.]]}}

Your request to be unblocked has been granted for the following reason(s):

I'm going to assume good faith here and grant this unblock with the understanding that the 'socking' was due to ignorance of our policies rather than a deliberate attempt to evade a block. Please note that it is very important you understand that you may not use Wikipedia to advertise or promote Psalm Tours or any other entity.

Request handled by: Versa geek

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Note: Versageek's explanation on the case may also be found at talkpage here. -- Ashot ^(talk) 16:26, 26 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Your request to be unblocked has been granted for the following reason(s):

Autoblock #1795003 lifted or expired.

Request handled by: —Jeremy ^{(v^_^v Boribori!)}

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{{83.139.38.1|{{blocked proxy}}: Used abusively - {{checkuserblock}}|Alison}}

I kindly request also to review my account's block on Commons. Thank you. -- Ashot ^(talk) 05:53, 26 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know how successful you'll be on Commons, Ashot; you'll have to ask at your talk page there. Just because a Wikipedian is an administrator does not mean he edits, let alone possesses administrator rights, on Commons - they're two separate wikis. —Jeremy ^{(v^_^v Boribori!)} 09:22, 26 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I asked for review several days ago, but have no news since then. In the meanwhile I need to put the ((OTRS pending)) note in some images so that they are not deleted on the February 27th. Thank you anyway. -- Ashot ^(talk) 09:58, 26 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have some alternate way to connect to the internet? Editors are generally not allowed to edit from open proxies. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 00:16, 26 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know if that makes a difference, but I login via secure connection and this doesn't help. Right now I don't have any alternative :(( -- Ashot ^(talk) 05:03, 26 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Is there still a pending request here? We cannot do anything on Commons - it's a different process that needs to be done there. I see autoblocks already removed - is something outstanding? (talk→ BWilkins ←track) 15:54, 28 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. The problem with Commons is now solved. Actually the pending request is to unblock 83.139.38.1, so that I am able to use my home internet connection for editing. -- Ashot ^(talk) 17:18, 28 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The problem is that the proxy you are connecting through is openly accessible - there are two open ports on it - and it has been used abusively in the past. I'll contact the checkuser who placed the block to have her take a look at it, but for security reasons, editors are generally not permitted to edit Wikipedia while on an openly accessible proxy. More information can be found at WP:NOP. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 22:01, 2 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, thanks. -- Ashot ^(talk) 05:17, 3 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I have placed the unblock request on hold pending response from the blocking administrator. Unfortunately, we cannot do much as far as your unblock request on Commons is concerned as I don't think any of us who have commented on this page are administrators on Commons. –MuZemike 19:58, 3 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment

This is a very severe case of WP:BITE. The editor falls foul of rules he didn't even know the existence of and the book is thrown at him. When these rules are pointed out, he is immediately co-operative.

The accusation against the "role account" Psalm Tours of "using Wikipedia for spam or advertising purposes"[1] is a somewhat selective analysis. I've just looked through the first 70 or so edits of that account. There were just two questionable external links added, but a substantial amount of content, including articles and images. These article were then nominated for deletion with the following results:

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Makravank Monastery - unanimous keep
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Vaskenian Theological Academy - unanimous keep
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Getik Baghdasarian - pending
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Stepanavan Dendropark - unamimous keep
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Baghdasar Arzoumanian - pending
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sebouh Chouldjian - unanimous keep
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Horomayri Monastery - pending (unanimous keep so far)

A sockpuppet case was made against Psalm Tours[2] because of an IP post to an AfD. There was no evidence of malintent, and no double voting. The edit merely provided useful information on alternate name spellings.[3] Again, it seems the user was not aware of the rules and was given no warning about them.

This user shows every sign of being a valuable contributor of substantial and worthwhile content, and need to be helped and encouraged. The treatment meted out to him so far is rather less than exemplary.

Ty 18:04, 28 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you so much for your time and trust. -- Ashot ^(talk) 20:34, 28 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Your request to be unblocked has been granted for the following reason(s):

IP block exempt status granted so that you may edit without having to worry about having an underlying IP address blocked. Keep in mind, however, that it may be revoked in the case you do misuse the status. –MuZemike 09:16, 5 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Request handled by: –MuZemike

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Infobox Armenian Apostolic Church Diocese

Should be working properly now. Kayau Voting IS evil 11:07, 4 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much! -- Ashot ^(talk) 11:59, 4 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Out of interest, why was {{infobox Diocese}} not sufficient? It is better to improve existing templates than to create entirely new ones for only a small number of articles. I can't see anything in {{Infobox Armenian Apostolic Church Diocese}} which makes it necessary to have this split. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 11:18, 5 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Reply: There are a number of reasons, one of which is that it is designated for a Catholic Church diocese and most of information in that template does not fit the typical diocese of Armenian Church.-- Ashot ^(talk) 16:53, 5 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Re: Thanks for your message. As far as I remember ACR is the only case and I realized that something is wrong some time later. Thanks for taking the time. -- Ashot ^(talk) 08:18, 5 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Thank

Thanks Ashot for your advice. What discuss page we are talking about? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aram-van (talk • contribs) 08:16, 13 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Wikiquette

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Armeniapedia.org

Ashot, Spartaz has a legitimate reason to remove Armeniapedia.org. He's applying the same principle of notability as to other articles on Wikipedia. It's nothing to get upset over. Those really concerned should have an article published about Armeniapedia in a newspaper or journal, and then the topic will have notability. That's the best solution. Serouj (talk) 21:19, 14 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

No doubt about legitimacy of Spartaz's actions and agree with you about the best solution. But I guess we both know how useful Armeniapedia is. And if it is, then there should ways to reflect that with proper arguments. -- Ashot ^(talk) 21:27, 14 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, for Wikipedia it's not really whether Armeniapedia is useful or not, it's whether it is special in some way, and whether a credible source has written about that specialness, which would make it notable. A good question to ask would be "are there other culture-specific or nation-specific Wikis like Armeniapedia"? Maybe it deserves a mention in the Wiki article as an example of a culture-specific Wiki. Scribblescribblescribble (talk) 17:40, 15 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your suggestions and thoughts. You are right - there was no malice, but what was frustrating is that a couple of people who had probably never been to an Armenian website were the only ones who voted. Anyway, I greatly appreciate the bibliography Ashot and agree a couple of articles would be helpful as well. --RaffiKojian (talk) 00:27, 18 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Heyvali (village)

I closed that discussion since there is no consensus to move. Reopening without something new is not likely to result in any consensus to move. Given the number of words written in the discussion without a consensus, I would recommend that you not submit it again. I realize that you feel strongly about the subject, but I don't see you having the support of other editors which would be need to get consensus for a move. Vegaswikian (talk) 06:44, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I can't stop you from having a discussion to try and reach a consensus. If you do that, just have a discussion on the talk page and if there is a consensus, then do another WP:RM at that time. Vegaswikian (talk) 07:46, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

"You mention that there was no consensus for moving, but there wasn't also consensus on support for the current situation." Doesn't matter. In the absence of a consensus, we remain at the status quo. It doesn't mean, "keep fighting until there is a consensus." --Golbez (talk) 13:46, 21 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Hmmm, yes, I agree. Even though one could say that the discussion on the Tsitsernvank is "ongoing", his edits on Gandzasar clearly constitute vandalism because they involve the removal of reliable sources, which plainly identify this monastery as Armenian, and highly contentious editing. You may wish to bring these points to the attention of Sandstein. Best, --Marshal Bagramyan (talk) 16:37, 4 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I've read it Ashot jan but I simply disagree with his assessment. A content dispute means that a legitimate dispute exists between two parties who both act in good-faith and introduce sources which are generally equal to one another in terms of reliability. Unfortunately, neither of those conditions are satisfied in Verman's contributions. His edits on Gandzasar are perhaps the most egregious, since he is actually deleting the sources and replacing them with unreliable websites and selectively using those which conform to his views. Even when he cites De Waal's book (2003), he neglects to mention the opinion of Robert Hewsen on the inscription and the concept of Albania at the time (quote from page 156): Finally we came to the Karabakhi prince, Hasan-Jalal. Professor Hewsen concluded that "I have found not a shred of evidence that [the meliks] ever thought of themselves as anything but Armenians, albeit members of the Albanian branch of the Armenian Church." If Verman still fails to see this and continues with his disruption, that's pretty much close to willful disruption. You may also wish to talk to User:Golbez about this, since he's very familiar with the matter, although I'd be careful because he can be cranky sometimes ;) Best, --Marshal Bagramyan (talk) 05:20, 5 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

So is any admin doing anything about Verman1? Or are they all passing the buck?--Moosh88 (talk) 07:02, 6 April 2011 (UTC) I couldn't follow if the 3RR was violated, if so could you please file it? I'll try to ask one other admin to do something about him... -- Ashot ^(talk) 08:54, 6 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

He has now added two more articles to his list and has gone thru it to change the Armenian name to the Azeri one. I will look at the edits again. I have never filed a 3RR report so it is new to me--Moosh88 (talk) 13:56, 6 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It's not just a matter of violating 3RR but just the persistent edit warring and disrespectful and flippant attitude toward Wikipedia's policies that is at fault. Even if he hasn't made three reverts in a single day, that still warrants some form of action because it is still edit warring, which is a sanctionable offense under ArbCom 2, which he is very well aware of.--Marshal Bagramyan (talk) 16:39, 6 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, and has any action been taken thus far? I see that some of the pages have been protected but will this really end once the page protection expires? I fear that Verman will not accept the wiki process...--Moosh88 (talk) 01:35, 7 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Thanks, --Verman1 (talk) 09:21, 7 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

re

I'm not sure I care enough at this very moment. So if you want a resolution, you should look elsewhere. This isn't a slight against you, I just can't deal with the AA crap at this moment. --Golbez (talk) 16:26, 11 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Re

Yes, I'm very familiar with him. For a while, there were strong indications that he was sockpuppeting and a neutral editor and administrator who is very knowledgeable and familiar with his edits is Buckshot06 so you may wish to turn him for help or guidance. Best, --Marshal Bagramyan (talk) 20:13, 12 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Orontid Dynasty and Satrapy of Armenia articles

They are trying to remove further of our history, can you please explain and revert back to what was always there. 166.216.226.23 (talk) 08:41, 14 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I am not an expert of the epoch. So please try to ask for advice from User:MarshallBagramyan, who I assume, is much more knowledgeable in the area.

And yes, why do you edit from an IP? -- Ashot ^(talk) 09:01, 14 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Look here [4] in Marshall's talk page about the ancient sources. Phoenicians8 (talk) 17:18, 14 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

First of all i'd suggest not to avoid examining his sources and trying to find more to back up our position. Everything will be ok. Ashot ^(talk) 19:19, 14 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

May 2011

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Stepanakert Airport. Users are expected to collaborate with others and avoid editing disruptively.

In particular, the three-revert rule states that:

Making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24-hour period is almost always grounds for an immediate block.
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I reverted Neftchi's change since he changed a much discussed point in the text (certainly not a AGF edit). Please be kind to dedicate more time to research the case before making this kind of statements. Thanks. -- Ashot ^(talk) 05:05, 19 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

re

I took a very poorly-written paragraph and made it usable. I make no statement on if the information in it is quality; I just wanted to clean it up. So my edit of it should not be used to say I endorse it, if it turns out to be questionable on other grounds. --Golbez (talk) 16:31, 21 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Response to your questions

Hello. I have already answered your question you posted on my talk page addressing your concerns you had already expressed in this report. So, there is no need for you to play around the subject. Instead, I would really like to see you post that kind of messages on MarshallBagramyan's page since he was the one dismissing and labeling Azeri authors based on ethnicity and place of residence. For future reference, please open a discussion on that issue elsewhere so that other editors can participate, since I had already addressed your concerns. Cheers, Angel670 talk 06:54, 29 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I did address your concern and I did ask you to post the same kind of message on MarshallBagramyan's page. Angel670 talk 16:46, 29 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Greetings

Hello there! Sorry I was away to react on the articles here. I gave up, in fact, when I saw how poor the knowledge of admins is and the system, especially after the events on the Russian wikipedia (do not know if you know what I mean). I am here seldom and cannot be often anymore. But I would appreciate if you update me about and also keep me informed about what is going on here nowadays. I have even forgotten what e-mail I gave here.. Just changed it. You can write me there, ok? Regards, Aregakn (talk) 12:27, 12 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Help to revert Karabakh Khanate

Help out they are reverting again to the false Azeri info on this article. 75.51.175.187 (talk) 05:30, 29 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I am not very familiar with the sources and can't do a blind revert. I guess User:MarshallBagramyan is much more knowledgeable on the topic.

PS: I'd suggest that you stop editing from IP and sign up. -- Ashot ^(talk) 05:43, 29 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

User:Dighapet

An AE proceeding was launched against User:Dighapet [5]. This may concern you since you were involved in editing articles with his participation. Gorzaim (talk) 00:33, 7 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]