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Possible POV pushing, maybe

Amazingly enough, this article seems to be very well balanced. Except that this line in the Kono statement section "Although this statement gave the pretense of being an apology" seems to be wandering off into speculation or at least using a weasel word (And yes, I am aware of the irony there). But, the reference seems to have gone by way of the dodo (The Washington Coalition for Comfort Women Issues) so does anyone know if this was a direct quote from the source, a paraphrase, or was this added in by someone? If it was added in, may I suggest a change to a more neutral "Although this statement was offered as an apology" and leaving the rest of the entry as is to show the problems with the Kono statement? --Jusenkyoguide (talk) 05:21, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

harvnb link disconnects

I just fixed a bunch of broken {{harvnb}} link disconnects in this article. Some remain.

• CSIS 2007, p. 142
• CSIS 2007, p. 139

I don't see a cited source named CSIS -- Boracay Bill (talk) 01:26, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Protected Page Edit Request

{{editsemiprotected}} can add this hyperlink to the reference "Ex-Japanese PM Denies Setting Up Brothel": http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/23/AR2007032300304.html

 Done Thanks for the link! — Deon555^talk_{I'm BACK!} 07:19, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Protected Page Edit Request

I think a case of recruitment of comfort women by fraud in China by Japanses Imperial Army should be added. According to Judgement of Tokyo Trial(International Military Tribunal for the Far East), p1022, these sentences appear.

During the period of Japanese occupation of Kwelin, they committed all kinds of atrocities such as rape and plunder. They recruited women labour on the pretext of establishing factories. They forced the women thus recruited into prostitution with Japanese troops.Judgment International Military Tribunal for the Far East, p1022 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dermajay (talk • contribs) 16:29, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Suggestion

At the summary part, article mentions about recruitment of comfort-woman. It syas "It has been documented that the Japanese military itself recruited women by force." followed by "However Japanese historian Ikuhiko Hata stated that there was no organized forced recruitment of comfort women by Japanese government or military."

I think it gives impression to the readers that in most cases comfort women were recruited by militaly, in organized manner. But among sources, there is UN report which blames comfort woman, and it says

"In many cases private recruiters, asked by the comfort station operators who represented the request of the military authorities, conducted the recruitment of the comfort women. Pressed by the growing need for more comfort women stemming from the spread of the war, these recruiters resorted in many cases to coaxing and intimidating these women to be recruited against their own will, and there were even cases where administrative/military personnel directly took part in the recruitment"

(McDougall, Gay J. (June 22, 1998), CONTEMPORARY FORMS OF SLAVERY—Systematic rape, sexual slavery and slavery-like practices during armed conflict, retrieved 2007-11-12 . )

This reads like in most cases recruitment has been done by private recruiters, and only in some cases administrative/military personnel directly performed recruitment.

I think this POV is different from POV of the article, and can be added to the article, to keep neutral POV matter.

I know there are many revisionists in Japan, and the matter of recruitment would have been discussed frequently, but I couldn't find debate about this UN report.(I checked some versions of discussions, not all, so may be there was discussion about this source. If you know, I appreciate if you tell me.) --124.210.21.10 (talk) 19:32, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

I would like to delete this part in Evidence, "Historians have searched for evidence of the Army and Navy's coercion, and some written proof has been discovered, such as documents found in 2007 by Yoshiaki Yoshimi and Hirofumi Hayashi." as they have not found any evidence yet (2011), just Yoshimi Yoshiaki and Hayashi Hirofumi had a press conference on 2007. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AU1206 (talk • contribs) 16:38, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

Rape as weapon of war, illegal warfare or terrorism?

Is rape a legitimate weapon of war, illegal or unconvetional warfare or is it terrorism? It seems that rape is still commonly used as a legal weapon of war today. For example, Russian soldiers used rape against Georgia in the South Ossetia conflict [1] and it was used in the Congo [2] Truthbedarned (talk) 16:45, 16 November 2009 (UTC)Truthbedarned

I would say no, but I don't think this is really a question to be addressed on this page. This page is about discussing the Comfort woman article. Tweisbach (talk) 01:51, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Historical Error -- in reference to a Prime Minister's Name

In the following section taken verbatim, there is reference to "Abe Hiroshi" as the "prime minister". I'm not sure who the reference is supposed to be, but he was never Prime Minister of Japan.

''Evidence Rangoon, Burma. August 8, 1945. A young ethnic Chinese woman who was in one of the Imperial Japanese Army's "comfort battalions" is interviewed by an Allied officer.

After its defeat, the Japanese military destroyed many documents for fear of war crimes prosecution.[49]

Historians have searched for evidence of the Army and Navy's coercion, and some written proof has been discovered, such as documents found in 2007 by Yoshiaki Yoshimi and Hirofumi Hayashi.[20] The surviving sex slaves wanted an apology from the Japanese government. Abe Hiroshi, the prime minister at the time, stated that there is no evidence that the Japanese government instituted a brutal sex slave industry.'''''

J. Glass

Asian Women's Fund

Hi. I was doing a little research on this topic and according to this website here: http://www.awf.or.jp/e3/dissolution.html the Asian Women's Fund was closed in 2007. Shouldn't this information be added? Also, the Asian Women's Fund was not wholly a "private fund". though of course there are many private contributions to the fund, it is ultimately the Japanese government which is financially responsible, according to the JPRI paper here: http://www.jpri.org/publications/workingpapers/wp77.html

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 180.1.44.156 (talk) 04:41, 10 January 2011 (UTC) 

Interview not article

THis article seems to be an interview, should maybe be refiled under wikiquotes?

Clean-up

According to the victims, they got the sexual acting more than 30 times a day. Ahn, who is from Netherland which is the only nation convicted in Europe, is the victim coming out the first in the world, 1990 year. She testmonied this in the interview with KBS documentary, <KBS special>. She lived in Indonesia (Netherlands' east india) at the very time of WWII. She had run away from the sexual slavery, but was caught by Japanese military again. Ellen van the flugh also revealed she was another victim.

— Original text

According to the victims, they were forced to perform over 30 sexual acts in a day. In 1990, Ahn, an ex-comfort woman from the Netherlands—the only nation to be convicted in Europe—was the first victim to come forth. She testified in "KBS Special", a documentary on the Korean Broadcasting System, that she lived in Indonesia during WWII and had run away from the sexual slavery, but was recaptured by Japanese military. Ellen van the flugh revealed she was another victim.

— Working text

The intro to this article reads like it was written either by an idiot or somebody who doesn't speak English fluently. Suggest clean up

Most of the intro is fine. The fourth paragraph ... well, you have a point. In any case, it's out of place here; assuming it's worth keeping at all, it should be moved down into the section on the victims and their testimony (and extensively rewritten.) Unfortunately, I can't access the video it links and I frankly can't make out all of what the paragraph is trying to say. --Yaush (talk) 04:05, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

The information might be useful but has no place in the introduction. It is the personale experience of a single victim, not the experience of all of them. the third and fifth paragraph should probably be combined. Dimadick (talk) 07:53, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

It looks like the paragraph was written by someone unfamiliar with the English language, but could contain useful information, though perhaps not for the lead. I removed it for now and modified the lead a bit, but perhaps we could work on it here on the talk page. My first going-over is at the top of the section, feel free to keep working on it. — Bility (talk) 23:23, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

NPR

http://www.npr.org/blogs/pictureshow/2011/06/04/134271795/comfort-women-untold-stories-of-wartime-abuse — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.96.226.6 (talk) 09:45, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

Comfort Women as VOLUNTARY PROSTITUTES

The comfort women were VOLUNTARY PROSTITUTES who got paid high salary. Even the US military report proved that the comfort women were well-paid. (http://www.exordio.com/1939-1945/codex/Documentos/report-49-USA-orig.html)

• In the US report interrogated Korean comfort women, though they said the Japanese agents (NOT MILITARY) induced them by not specifying the job details, it is possible that they lied because they were ashamed to admit that they knew what they were going to do.

There were vile brokers who deceived girls sometimes but Japanese police officers were cracking down on those crooks. (Document to increase police officers to crack down on vile brokers --> http://makizushi33.ninja-web.net/aa08.jpg)

And there were also the advertisements (http://photo.jijisama.org/ianfu.html) on papers seeking the women who want to work as comfort woman.

There were also Japanese comfort women. The prostitution was legal at that time.

Those who claim the comfort women were forced sex slaves are Koreans and they don't have any proof for their claims but only their ever-changing statements. Wiki kitkat (talk) 02:46, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Stop. Now. This is not the place to argue your opinion. This is a place to provide reliable sources to discuss improvements to the article. Period. There are many reliable sources that explain that your opinion is only one side, and not the one that is supported by most reliable sources. Neither of the sources you provide above qualify as reliable sources, nor do they, somehow, disprove everything else in the article.

If you want to make a specific suggestion for a specific change, feel free to do so. Otherwise, stop attempting to use this page as a soapbox. Qwyrxian (talk) 02:49, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Disputed testimony of an ex-soldier: About Seiji Yoshida

(Please add the texts below in the ===Disputed testimony of an ex-soldier===.)

In May 1996, weekly magazine Shūkan Shinchō published remarks by Yoshida made to them in an interview, admitting that portions of his work had been made up. He stated that "There is no profit in writing the truth in books. Hiding the facts and mixing them with your own assertions is something that newspapers do all the time too".[5][6][7] (Excerpted from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seiji_Yoshida#Memoirs_controversy)

And he regretted later in his life saying "I was stupid being utilized by people who profit from Human Rights Business.　（Excerpted/summarized from http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%90%89%E7%94%B0%E6%B8%85%E6%B2%BB_%28%E6%96%87%E7%AD%86%E5%AE%B6%29#.E6.A6.82.E8.AA.AC）

All the stories about kidnapping Korean women in his novel has not been proved. Wiki kitkat (talk) 02:38, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

 Done (partially). I've added the first bit. I have not added the second bit because it cites a wiki as a supporting source (see WP:SPS). The cited wiki is in Japanese, which prevented me from looking at it to try to get to the underlying supporting sources. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 03:34, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

South Korea army invaded in Vietnam

Japanese army paid to prostitute, and the prostitutes were highly paid. Because prostitutes were getting 1.5 times the salary of police officers. The following leaflets are written "Salaly = 300yen". convert to the current value of this amount, the amount become about 15,000$/1month. (Detail -> http://park6.wakwak.com/~photo/image/ianfu01.jpg)

When the South Korea army invaded in Vietnam, they did not establish a comfort station. As a result, In Vietnam, , the rape occurred frequently. And many "Koreans and Vietnam mixed-race children" borned. This issues called "Lai Dai Han" in Vietnam. (Detail -> http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%83%A9%E3%82%A4%E3%82%BF%E3%82%A4%E3%83%8F%E3%83%B3)

But "Japanese and Korean mixed-race children" most does not borned in Korea. All Korean Comfort Women does not give birth the mixed-race children. This means the Japanese have proved that it was properly managed for sex. Usually, slave does not get a salary. And "Contraception" is not called "Violence". At least, It's inappropriate that they called "slave". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wingwrong 05:51, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

Neither of those are reliable sources. A picture, basically by definition, can't be a reliable source, and that site (i'm not visiting it, but based on the URL alone, it's an SPS) doesn't meet wP:RS; the other site is another version of Wikipedia, and no wiki, including Wikipedia, counts as a reliable source. The rest is just your opinion/original research. If you have new reliable sources, please feel free to add them, but no information will be added to the article unless based on RS. Qwyrxian (talk) 05:55, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

Inappropriate Notes about Fig.1

The right ad was placed by Imai Agency, who is a private company, and the left was placed by 許(Huh) 氏, who is perhaps a self-employed procurer. Both are not published by Japanese official agancy. However, Notes [13]-[16] mislead the readers publishing by Japanese government. Especially note [15] has no relation with Fig.1 and note [16] is inconsistent with the pic.