User talk:Gilabrand

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*User:Gilabrand/Awards and barnstars

I, Shuki, hereby award you the Israeli Barnstar of National Merit for your extraordinary contribution to Israel-related articles on WP. Thank you --Shuki (talk) 08:19, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

		The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar
		For working on an article that you felt shouldn't even exist and helping to bring it up, even if temporarily, to encyclopedic standards. Nableezy (talk) 18:32, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

		The Jewish Barnstar
		For editing the page Jerusalem stone.Elan26 (talk) 20:32, 17 September 2008 (UTC)Elan26

		The Photographer's Barnstar
		I hereby award you The Photographer's Barnstar for the beautiful photos of Israel and Jewish stuff you have taken and graced Wikipedia with! I had noticed your contrbution way back in July 2007! The one of the Dome of the Rock viewed through the Cotton Merchants Gate (right) is my favourite! Happy snapping! Chesdovi (talk) 02:16, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

		The Original Barnstar
		For your work on Hat, I hereby award you this barnstar. →Wordbuilder (talk) 17:23, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

		The da Vinci Barnstar
		This award is given to User:Gilabrand in recognition of all your imaginative and original photographs related to topics about Israel and Judaism, as can be seen on your user page. In particular, I was impressed by how many of these photographs enhance so many articles about people, places and things in Israel. Mazal Tov and may you be blessed to continue contributing to Wikipedia in this productive fashion for a long time to come. See Wikipedia:Barnstars: "The da Vinci Barnstar may be awarded to anyone who has enhanced Wikipedia through their technical work..." and you most certainly deserve it. Sincerely, IZAK (talk) 04:31, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

		The Original Barnstar
		I was going to give you the copyeditor's barnstar, but I then realized that would be shortchanging your many other valuable contributions to and helping out with Israel and Judaism related articles. Much appreciated! nadav (talk) 07:12, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

		The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
		For all your quality contributions to Israel-related articles, you fully deserve this. пﮟოьεԻ 57 20:00, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

		The Exceptional Newcomer Award
		i frummer give you this award for all the great work you've put into many judaism, jewish and israel relates articles, all the while steering clear of controversy! ..thnx Gila!

		The Editor's Barnstar
		For the excellent editting and formatting that helped lead to Israel's promotion to featured article status. --Jdcaust 16:20, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

		The Jewish Barnstar
		I award you with this Jewish Barnstar Award for your helping keep the Judaism article up to standards. Keep up Your Good Work! Nimrauko 23:50, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

		The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar
		For defending Wikipedia from all lies-on-the-ground :).--Mbz1 (talk) 14:25, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Golden Wiki Award In recognition of all the work you’ve done lately! 66.87.0.115 (talk) 20:56, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

		The Modest Barnstar
		You are among the top 5% of most active Wikipedians this past month! 66.87.2.33 (talk) 23:07, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks

Hi Gilabrand, Thanks for all your contributions on the Israeli cuisine article over the past few months. I'm happy to see that it has been promoted to GA status and I'm sure that is in no small part due to your efforts! Best regards, --- Chefallen (talk) 19:41, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks

Thank you so much for the edits in Jewish wedding. I thought it would take years to make it a decent article, and you made it in a few minutes. Definitely this is a case where being WP:BOLD is the one and only solution ! --Licory (talk) 19:12, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

re Child

Thaks for this. I have this article on my watchlist and it seems to be a target for vandalism etc., so it's nice to see your good and useful contribution. Keep up the good work! Herostratus (talk) 17:32, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

Mount of Olives

Hi, nice editing and picture-adding on this article. What are your thoughts on breaking off the cemetery into a separate article, such as Mount of Olives (Jewish cemetery), which would help us expand on the history of burials here? Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 08:03, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

Sounds like a good idea. The lists on this page are really getting out of hand...I wouldn't write "Jewish cemetery" in parentheses, though. I think I would call the article "Mount of Olives Cemetery" and link it to this one.--Geewhiz (talk) 09:00, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

Thank you

for the interesting etymological article you linked to in Emek Refaim. I have learnt something, for which I am grateful. RolandR (talk) 11:20, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you for this edit. I was going to do something similar last night, but was too tired when I got home, and had to go to bed. --NSH001 (talk) 06:28, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for reassessing Ayoob Kara. :) --Metallurgist (talk) 03:23, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Also, do you have any recommendations for how to improve it further?

Allar, Jerusalem

Please restore the original article name and open a move request. Thanks. Tiamut^talk 19:14, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Ahalan wasahalan, Tiamut. Haven't heard from you in a while. Hope all is well. About Allar, the article clearly states that it is 17 kilometers from Jerusalem, which puts it in the Jerusalem District. The only reason for adding anything to the village name is for disambiguation purposes. For that purpose, Allar (village) seems best but since you have done some nice work on the article, I'll leave that up to you.--Geewhiz (talk) 06:13, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Ahlan fiki Gilabrand. I don't know which source says its 17km from Jerusalem so I've removed that bit and gone with Petersen's description which is simply southwest of Jerusalem. Palestinian villages depopulated in 1948 are generally disambiguated by including the name of the district they were located in without prefacing it by "District of..." - its too wordy. As a result, I've moved it back to the original title. I think I violated 1RR by doing so, but don't want to undo and create an even bigger mess, so I've asked at arbitration for advice on how to proceed. In the future, if you could open a discussion on the talk page before moving pages, that would be good. We could then avoid these back and forths altogether then. Take care, Tiamut^talk 08:48, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Water supply and sanitation in Israel

Thank you for your edits to this article, which are greatly appreciated. I noticed that the history section has been moved only partially and perhaps you had to interrupt your work on the article. If that is the case, I just wanted to encourage you to continue to move the history section completely. Also, I noticed that you added a picture of the Menashe artificial recharge plant. Since the article has no content on artificial recharge yet, you may want to add such information. One possible source is here:http://www.mekorot.co.il/Eng/Activities/Pages/WastewaterTreatmentandReclamation.aspx. Keep on the good work!--Mschiffler (talk) 20:47, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

Be'er sheva

Hi you said that all my changes are vandalism on be'er sheva articale. Education:

I've added notes about the educational research facilities (they are external enteties of SCE and BGU) but you removed them. In israel there is a very strong differences between academic colleges that provide Bachelor and Masters degrees to some college that provide courses , you removed the modification about that. Geography: you removed information about the be'er sheva-gaza canyon (that is in the middle of the city) you removed the notes about Nahal Be'er sheva (the polution and the cleaning ) the situation that was with the west nile virus. Rasicsm issues: you removed all the points to the russian panthers (political movement) to the attacks against the russian speaking children (that was the reason for the success of the wrestling teams). Smoking issues: isn't that important that in the chances to get a fine for smoking in public in this city are the largest in the country ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.226.26.136 (talk) 13:46, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

All information added to the article must be based on reliable sources. The data you added was "original research." Not everyone editing here is a native English speaker, but when you make additions in English, you should try your best to check the spelling and grammar, and use capitalization where necessary. Some information was removed because it gives undue weight to issues that are trivial in the context of a city article. Your editing may not have been intentional vandalism, but it certainly looked like it. --Geewhiz (talk) 13:57, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

I can understand problems with the language , but each of the fact I pointed had referenced (from the russian panthers) to the news papers pointing about fines and pollution. allmost each point had it facts. now page provide false information as in Israel there is a definitive difference between Uni+ Acdemic college and some ZZZ college.The names are written wrong in the page after undoing my changes (example the existence of a CAMPUS of Air and Space college and not the college being only in Be'er sheva). the references I added was from newspapers and from government publications (about the pollution and cleaning). for example the fines on smoking are extremely rare in Tel aviv (254 against more then 1000 in be'er sheva) Jerusalem Ashdod and Haifa (some the cities with the biggest population in Israel). Forgot to say that Nahal Be'er sheva is a tourist attraction facility and the polution with that area had effects on tourism — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.226.26.136 (talk) 14:12, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

Givat Shaul

Hi, could you take a look at the recent edits to this page? Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 19:39, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

Thank you! Yoninah (talk) 21:51, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

Cut & paste moves

I see you recently moved Ein Kerem to Ein Karem by cutting and pasting, which is forbidden as it is a licencing violation (and it also means the talk page is effectively lost). If you want to move a page, you have to use the move tab at the top. If that doesn't work, you have to use the WP:RM process. I've repaired the mess this time, but please try and avoid such moves in future. Thanks, Number 57 14:54, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

Liege

Is there a reason you're not reporting the Belgian IPs that're hounding all your edits lately? They've become quite a nuisance.—Biosketch (talk) 09:37, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

Genealogy

Re: Folke Bernadotte - I have seen to it that the excessive genealogy once in this article (and many others) has been edited and reduced considerably. So I fully agree with your edit summary comment. But isn't it customary to mention the children of a person with a WP biography? SergeWoodzing (talk) 12:50, 27 February 2012 (UTC) moved to article's talk page. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 12:56, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

"your opinion of the source is of no significance"

This insulting edit summary of yours is factually incorrect. Just as you are, I am required by the rules to judge the reliability of sources. A source that thinks Bernadotte was the Chairman of the International Red Cross and was killed with a bomb is not reliable. I happen to be familiar with both these sources, are you? Zero^talk 09:35, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

Your opinion is of no significance. John Loftus has written a book and there is no indication it is not an RS. You have called it rubbish, and that is your opinion, which may have significance for yourself, but not for Wikipedia. You have not been appointed as a judge. You must be reading a different set of rules.--Geewhiz (talk) 09:43, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

There are no rules for the applicability of WP:RS to particular sources other than the judgement of editors. You make such judgements very often, there are several examples right on the first page of your contribs. Moreover, the onus is on insertion not deletion, so actually it is you who has to establish reliability. Zero^talk 09:57, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

As far as reliability goes, it doesn't look very promising.     ←   ZScarpia   23:25, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

Merge regarding Caesarea

You have participated in discussion over possible merge of similar articles into Caesarea, you are welcome to participate in the ongoing merger discussion there.Greyshark09 (talk) 07:29, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

Template:Neighborhoods of Jerusalem

Having made several additions to this template, I thought you might be interested in the disussion. Last section: "Sources" --@Efrat (talk) 12:41, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

I'm going to update Template:Neighborhoods of Jerusalem in a day or two. I would appreciate your comments before the fireworks begin. --@Efrat (talk) 08:25, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

Need Hebrew-language translator

I need someone to translate my English proposal into Hebrew to delist File:Taylor, Elizabeth posed.jpg as a Featured Picture of Hebrew Wikipedia. This issue is discussed in WP:Editor assistance/Requests. This is the same message from User talk:IZAK. IZAK recommends me to contact you if you are available. --George Ho (talk) 08:51, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

The problem is that I don't understand the English.--Geewhiz (talk) 09:02, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

Here's my broken version, but hopefully simple English for you:

Photo made in 1955. Available to public (or "publication" if you understand) unknown and not well-proven. Deletion proposed in commons:Commons:Deletion requests/File:Taylor, Elizabeth posed.jpg

I hope this helps you translate into Hebrew easily. --George Ho (talk) 09:16, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Forgot the link he:קובץ:Taylor, Elizabeth posed.jpg. --George Ho (talk) 09:20, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

Hope this works for you.

צילום משנת 1955. נסיבות פרסום לא ברורות וללא סימוכין. מציע למחוק. --Geewhiz (talk) 09:31, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

Not bad, but don't forget: צילום משנת 1955. נסיבות פרסום לא ברורות וללא סימוכין. מציע למחוק (commons:Commons:Deletion requests/File:Taylor, Elizabeth posed.jpg). (copyedit if that doesn't look good) Also, in he:ויקיפדיה:תמונה מומלצת/הוספה למומלצות/דיונים, where can I propose a delisting? --George Ho (talk) 09:45, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

Israel project assessments

I should be able to diagnose any problems with the assessment tables. Could you let me know which table you are looking at, that may not be updating correctly? You can just tell me which page you are looking at and I can work from there. Thanks, — Carl (CBM · talk) 23:56, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

I'm talking about this page.[[1]] One example of an article that was upgraded from start to stub (out of dozens) is Gan Shmuel. But it is still on the stub list.--Geewhiz (talk) 09:18, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

NDS Group

Hello Gilabrand. An IP editor made a rather confusing complaint at WP:AN3#NDS Group. Replying to a single-use IP is not always worthwhile. I noticed your name in the edit history, as someone who had previously reverted one of the people who possibly has a COI, User talk:Shmecklebort. If you think this issue needs wider review, consider opening a report at WP:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard. This would be a better place than AN3 to look into such a problem. If you don't think any admin assistance is needed, then ignore this. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 20:49, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

Beersheba

Hi , could you please add the images to beersheva of the Gaza-Be'er sheva canyon in the dalet neighborhood and the pyramid house in Dalet ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.226.6.106 (talk) 11:19, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

Ephraim Henry Pavie

Hi, how was your Seder? I don't know much about extracting images from Flickr, but maybe you can help find a photo there to accompany the content I just added here. Hopefully you'll agree this guy's work is vastly more deserving of attention than that other architect I contacted you about a few months ago.—Biosketch (talk) 19:23, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

Shmuel HaNavi (neighborhood)

Hi Gila, I noticed you restored some information about Mandelbaum Gate, the Jerusalem Biblical Zoo, and the archeological digs to this article. I just started a new page, Shmuel HaNavi Street, which is more appropriate to these subjects. I limited the information in the neighborhood article to the neighborhood itself. Best, Yoninah (talk) 10:06, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

Hi, I really don't understanding your thinking. Shmuel HaNavi is a distinct neighborhood with those fairy-tale looking buildings. Anything east of that is part of Arzei HaBira and Beit Yisrael. Simcha Mandelbaum's house and the Jerusalem Zoo have nothing to do with the neighborhood, which was built long after, in the 1960s. Maybe the Mandelbaum Gate could be mentioned in the part about the armistice line. For the same reason, I deleted mention of the Shabbos demonstrations at the corner of Shmuel HaNavi Street and Yechezkel. I thought it best to focus on just the neighborhood itself, and leave the larger description for Shmuel HaNavi Street. Best, Yoninah (talk) 11:25, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

What fairy-tale houses do you mean? The Project Renewal buildings? According to reliable sources, the Mandelbaum house, the zoo and the quarry excavations are in the Shmuel HaNavi neighborhood. Mandelbaum's house dates from 1927 (which certainly predates Arzei HaBira) and the zoo was established in 1941, before it moved to Mount Scopus in 1947, followed by Bar Ilan and Malha. I believe that neighborhood articles should include the history of the neighborhood, and that includes landmarks that were there in earlier times, which may or may not be included in what is popularly considered its boundaries today.--Geewhiz (talk) 11:55, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

OK, I thought about the presentation some more and edited the page so it would flow better. Hope you like it. Yoninah (talk) 15:21, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

Here's an interesting question. When you added the "street" information to the "neighborhood" article, the two articles now read almost the same, save for some extra details about the Shikun Shmuel HaNavi housing project. Do you think the pages should be combined back into one article, Shmuel HaNavi (neighborhood)? Yoninah (talk) 16:44, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

When I added material earlier today I kept it short so as not to compete with the street article, and thought that having two articles was fine. With your current editing, I do see them starting to sound similar. So now I don't really know the answer to your question...Maybe we should ask for other opinions--Geewhiz (talk) 17:36, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

Jaffa riots

About the "commonly known as Me'oraot Tarpa", what do you think about rewriting it so that it is more like the start of the Bangkok article ? It says what it is known as in Thai, providing the transliteration, and it says what it literally means. Just saying "commonly known as Me'oraot Tarpa" seems quite vague to me e.g. known by whom/where and in what language, Hebrew or Arabic ? Also if Me'oraot Tarpa is going to be treated as an alternative name in bold, there needs to be a redirect to Jaffa riots. Sean.hoyland - talk 02:37, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

Yom Hazikaron - but not "On this day..." (WP:MP)

Dear Gila, I appreciate your edit to repositioncontent in Yom Hazikaron#History. My content editing on that page these past few hours - mainly to add references and inline citations ASAP - is spurred by the continuing omission of Yom Hazikaron as a Selected Anniversary on the Main Page's "On this day...". This wasn't a problem in the past seven (!) consecutive years, as I noted in my ongoing Main Page Error query. I'm having difficulty believing that the requisite good faith is being universallly practiced here. User:Dweller, with no prompting from me, spontaneously removed the maintenance template, so far to no avail with that page's admins. I hope this will end soon, and favorably. Please let me know if you have further advice for me. -- Deborahjay (talk) 13:35, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

Hello, Gilabrand. Please check your email; you've got mail!
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Ephraim Moses Lilien‎

Hi in your comment concerning the image caption (diff | hist) . . Ephraim Moses Lilien‎; 10:35 . . (-32)‎ . . ‎Gilabrand (talk | contribs)‎ (credits are not cited on photographic material) the museum is not cited as a credit but rather as a location of the item, similar to other artwork found in Wikipedia for example Las Meninas where the museum is noted Drkup(IMJ) (talk) 19:21, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

List of Lighthouses

Hi again, Gilabrand. First, thank you for adding material to the article. I've been meaning to do that for a long time and push it to FL, but real life keeps requiring my attention elsewhere. It actually went through peer review but I was not able to take it forward. I take it that you forgot our previous discussion, which still applies. the format is the standard format for lists of lighthouses, and until someone comes with the knowledge and time to write a full-fledged article about the history of lighthouses in Israel, I think a list, which has the chance of going FL, is preferred to an article with zero chance. With our previous discussion in mind, I hope it is OK that I am reverting it back to the list format. Best regards. --Muhandes (talk) 12:34, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

1RR violation at Barkan Wine Cellars

Please self-revert. Thanks. --Frederico1234 (talk) 06:40, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia is based on reliable sources, not original research. What you believe the reader should know is all fine and well, but the source does not say that. Hope this clarified things. Best, --Geewhiz (talk) 06:51, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

What doesn't the source say? That Golan Heights and West Bank is Israeli-occupied? --Frederico1234 (talk) 07:09, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

Forget about the 1RR. I might have done the edit based on an erroneous assumption (see article Talk). --Frederico1234 (talk) 07:40, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

Israeli wine

Thanks for your kind words. I noticed the sad state of many Israeli wine related articles a few weeks ago and decided it would be a fruitful (pun intended) place to focus my energies for a little while. --Bachrach44 (talk) 11:54, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

Completely off-topic, would it be possible to communicate with you by email? I see that function is disabled on your page. I wanted to ask you something about DC, with which you seem to have some familiarity, judging by your photo contributions--Geewhiz (talk) 14:12, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

Sure - just slap @gmail.com to the end of my username. --Bachrach44 (talk) 08:37, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

Question about an edit

Hi Gilabrand,

I was wondering about this edit: you removed some content, but wrote 'add' in the edit summary. Did you intend to remove the content? (If you did, I can understand why, but the edit summary implies that this was unintentional).

Cheers, Ynhockey ^(Talk) 14:17, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

You are right. I deleted content that was added without a source, but added information in the following paragraph. At that moment, a crew of workers walked into my house and I pushed the save button without writing a full summary. Sorry about that.--Geewhiz (talk) 14:20, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

Hi!

Hi Gila!

So nice to meet you once more on this page. The article I am writing about Ariadna Skryabina is in Hebrew wikipedia in my user page (subpage). My nick name there is the same as in English wikipedia. The article is not finished, but you can look how it goes and, maybe, fix or add something. I will put the article to the articles' area when at least the most important stuff, WWII and Ariadna's death, will be there. --AllaRo (talk) 19:19, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

Re: Assessment page

I assume that is because the Toolserver account for the person/people who made the assessment tool expired. Maybe tonight I'll ask around. Cheers, Ynhockey ^(Talk) 12:31, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

Israel State Archives

If you want to write a noninfringing version of the article, do so on a subpage, as instructed in the notice I've added to the article; and leave a note on the article's talk page explaining that you've done so. The content you restored to the article was a clear copyright infringement, your subsequent minimal rewording does not prevent it from being an unacceptable close paraphrase. Deor (talk) 08:18, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

I have added new sources to the article, reorganized it, and rewritten parts of it. Certain responsibilities of the archive cannot be worded in a different way. At this point, you are scaring off the newbies, which is worthy of reporting to Jimmy Wales, who expressly condemned such practices. I suggest you remove the tag and allow the article to be improved, as I wrote on your talk page and noted on the article's talk page.--Geewhiz (talk) 08:22, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

You can certainly report me to Wales or to ANI if you want to. All I did was delete the copyvio in the article some days ago and then redelete it when it was readded (in an unwikified paste of the displayed version of the predeletion content) by Yarrowplant today. I left an explanation on Yarrowplant's talk page, which hardly constitutes "scaring off the newbies".

As I said above, you should follow the instructions on the notice in the article (the third boldfaced line under "Can you help resolve this issue?") if you want to write a noninfringing version, not just add material to the text hidden by the notice—though "Certain responsibilities of the archive cannot be worded in a different way" is not an adequate justification for a literal reproduction or close paraphrase of the Web site's language. Deor (talk) 08:41, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

Mount Herzl

Could you hold off for a bit? You're trying to clean up what I'm already cleaning up. Beastiepaws (talk) 10:18, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

In my view, better two hands than one. There is much cleaning to do.--Geewhiz (talk) 10:20, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

I agree, but we're generating edit conflicts, and I think your ideas about structure are different from mine. I was trying to get the Museum/Education stuff into one lump, tidy up the Military/police section, delete the most incomprehensible bits (and there are a few), and then work out what to do with the stray gardens and sculptures. Also, I think Garden of the Missing Soldiers and Herzl Museum need to be merged back in. Do you have a more logical approach? Beastiepaws (talk) 10:24, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

My take is that the article is about a cemetery. Therefore material on the cemetery and its main burial plots should take precedence to educational facilities and museums. Sections should be illustrated with relevant photos. There is no need for dozens of photos, and those that are included should be of good quality. Incomprehensible English needs to be removed. Ditto for original research unless reliable sourcing can be found. At the moment, this article, about a very important place, is a disgrace.--Geewhiz (talk) 10:30, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

I agree with all of that. I believe some of the OR is factually correct and I don't mind hunting up sources for it. I also think some of what looks almost like normal English isn't-- for example, I'm pretty sure all those "central memorial"s are machine translator artefacts that should be "main memorial" or maybe just "memorial". I'm going to leave you to it, since it's late here. If you go lightly over the OR aspects, I'll look for sources in the morning. Beastiepaws (talk) 10:40, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

No problem. I'll leave it be for the moment. Thanks for caring! Anyhow, the real world beckons...--Geewhiz (talk) 10:48, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

You're welcome :-) Editing anything Israel-related can be a bit of a fraught process. I don't think I've done an A-1 cleanup job by any stretch, but it's considerably better than it was. What do you think about the merge suggestions I made?Beastiepaws (talk) 01:30, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

A lot of important information was deleted. Please take note of what you deleted the article, If you decide that there will be no Memorials here so maybe it is better to make them in a separate article. פארוק (talk) 10:50, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Farouk, our goal is the same. I agree that the material is important, but it needs to be written in proper English and backed up by reliable sources. Having mangled sentences that nobody can understand does not help anyone. The article needs cleaning up. After that, data can be restored, but the right way this time, not just to fill up space.--Geewhiz (talk) 10:54, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

I agree. But you can be sure that everything I wrote here it is already in the Hebrew version. And if you decide that some articles should be merge into the article here so why now you say it takes too many place in the article ? ..... I wrote separate articles that can take a lot of space in the article. פארוק (talk) 11:21, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Re: IDF Squadrons

Hi Gilabrand,

I agree that the articles are bad, but there are a few articles about squadrons which are actually very good and of sufficient length—as with other topics, it depends on having someone knowledgeable on the subject expand them. Before merging, I would talk to User:Poliocretes about it, he has lots of knowledge and sources.

Cheers, —Ynhockey ^(Talk) 16:45, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

P.S. Don't forget this.

Merge discussion for Garden of the Missing Soldiers

An article that you have been involved in editing, Garden of the Missing Soldiers , has been proposed for a merge with another article. If you are interested in the merge discussion, please participate by going here, and adding your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. Beastiepaws (talk) 07:05, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

this section in Mount Herzl have all empty graves for soldiers that have no graves. and i think that someone here hates Israel and because of this he delete articles about Israel or merge them into other articles. even in Hebrew wikipedia we don't delete/merge short articles or articles with a few links and never delete half Article. פארוק (talk) 21:48, 1 September 2012 (UTC)פארוק (talk) 08:07, 23 August 2012 (UTC

We cannot presume such motivations. The best course of action is to improve the article being contested by adding information and reliable sources, preferably in English. Hebrew Wikipedia tends to be more forgiving on the subject of original research. If you translate a Hebrew article by using some push-button translation app, which produces a text that is mainly gibberish, don't be surprised when someone challenges it.--Geewhiz (talk) 08:41, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

Jerusalem Academy of Music and Dance

Dear Gila, I remember that the "conservatorium" was located in Kikar Zion (early 50's). There is some confusion as to the early complicated development of this institution, but one cannot ignore this location while mentioning that "Israeli composer Josef Tal headed the academy in 1948–52". Etan J. Tal^(talk) 12:09, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

Can you cite a source for that? I don't see it mentioned on the academy's history page.--Geewhiz (talk) 12:22, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

pls refer to http://www.haaretz.co.il/gallery/1.1415436?userName=etantal%40gmail.com&password=18zbyh&passwordName=%D7%A1%D7%99%D7%A1%D7%9E%D7%90

specifically to the third paragraph:

המוסד החדש, בהנהלתה של יוכבד דוסטרובסקי-קופרניק, עבר מהבניין בכיכר ציון לפעול בכיתות שנשכרו בבית ספר בעיר.

Will this be OK? I suspect there was a personal bias which caused someone not to mention this fact in the formal web site. Ironically there is no mention of Tal there even today... Etan J. Tal^(talk)

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Yad Kennedy

Dear Gilabrand, I appreciate your looking at "Yad Kennedy" and moving it from "start" to "C-class." Since you did that, I have done a lot of work on the article and think it might even be better than C-class at this point. If you have a chance to take another look, I'd appreciate it. Thanks! NearTheZoo (talk) 04:12, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I see you have made some good improvements. But I see several problems. One, the location map is much too large and has little value. Two, I don't think this page is the right place for potted histories of JFK and his assassination. Both can be read about via links to those pages. I think this page should be devoted to the monument.--Geewhiz (talk) 04:59, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

I had a lot of problems with the map. I tried the Jerusalem map, but the location mark ends up being outside of the map. I guess that for readers unfamiliar with Israel the map could help a little, but I also couldn't figure out how to make the map smaller. If you (or anyone else reading this comment) could find a better location map or downsize this one, I would be happy to see that done!

In terms of the very small amount of info about Kennedy and the assassination, I hope that is retained, because I know that fewer and fewer young readers know about him, and a memorial to him and his assassination should (in my view) give some quick synopsis of the history behind the memorial. A fuller reading can be found from the "main article" dablinks above each paragraph. I took my cue from the layout of the Martin Luther King, Jr. Memorial page, where the same is done: most of the article deals with the memorial, but small paragraphs describe the man and the assassination. I know it's a matter of taste and opinion, but my personal hope is that these short descriptions are retained..... NearTheZoo (talk) 13:32, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks very much for adding the new photos! NearTheZoo (talk) 23:57, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

Sodom Apple

Why did you undo my edit? I tried to constructively remove a direct quote from a foreign website when I couldn't figure out how to rewrite it. I hope I didn't do something wrong. I explained the reasoning on the talk page. 96.238.211.171 (talk) 07:48, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

No you didn't do anything wrong. You alerted readers to the need for further information and sourcing, which is a good thing. However, deleting a sentence that is backed up by a reference is not necessarily the way to go about it. Quotes from the Bible or Talmud are not plagiarism. It is also worth noting that translations in general (and maybe even especially) of Scriptures and ancient texts are only approximations. Sdom apple, for example, may be used today as a popular name for the plant, but not by translators in the ancient world.--Geewhiz (talk) 08:04, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

It was these sentences I was worried about. "Sodom apple tree is mentioned in the Mishnah and the Talmud. The long fibers attached to the seeds may once have served as wicks". Those are a copy from elsewhere, and might need changing. Perhaps "Sodom apple is listed in the Mishnah. The fibers attached to the seeds may have been used as wicks. However the Mishnah forbids this for the Sabbath." 169.232.131.133 (talk) 21:09, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

Adding Jewish villages depopulated during 1948-1949 war

Hi ,

I'm having trouble adding Jewish and Israeli villages depopulated during Israel war of independance in Sirya and Jordan. I found a list from 1933 of villages but I fail to add (each time they are being deleated) .

perhaps my language is full with POV but I would be glad if you could add the links (or help).

http://www.gplanet.co.il/prodetailsamewin.asp?pro_id=1554 http://www.golan.org.il/616/325.htm109.226.49.34 (talk) 11:35, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

This is clearly inappropriate canvassing. --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 11:38, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

What do you mean ? (sorry I don't understand what you mean )109.226.49.34 (talk) 11:45, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

p.s. I took the sources from the Hebrew wikipedia 109.226.49.34 (talk) 11:46, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

I hope you will not be scared away by editors like SupremeDeliciousness, who have apparently forgotten what it's like to be new around here. If you have something to contribute, please go ahead. It is not "canvassing" to ask for help. The data you add needs to be reliably sourced. Preferably, the sources should be in English, but Hebrew or Arabic are also acceptable. Try to write the text in a Word file before you place it in the article. That way you can do a spelling and grammar check.--Geewhiz (talk) 13:50, 9 September 2012 (UTC)