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    January 17

    Page creation

    I just attempted to create a Wiki page (Photos to Space) and am probably missing something obvious, but how will I know once it's active? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Steveshurtleff (talk • contribs) 00:07, 17 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    You have created a draft at Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Photos to Space. Please take a look at WP:CORP - if the company doesn't meet those guidelines, I am afraid it does not meet Wikipedia's inclusion criteria.--ukexpat (talk) 00:42, 17 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    I have added a draft template with some information and a link to submit it for review, but it's currently unsuitable. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:59, 17 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    Looking for a block template

    Do we have a block template for use on the talk pages of operators of misbehaving bots? Looking for something that would say "Sorry, but I've had to block your bot because it was misbehaving. Remember that this doesn't imply any wrongdoing on your part. When the bot's fixed, let me know and I'll unblock it." I've looked through Wikipedia:Template messages/User talk namespace without finding what I want; the only bot-related templates I can see are {{Uw-botblock}} (for unapproved bots; I'm asking about approved bots that are messing up) and {{Uw-botublock}} (for non-bots whose usernames include "bot"), not anything that I want. Nyttend (talk) 04:25, 17 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    I am not aware of such a template. I could create one for you if you like. I don't have the time to do it right now, but if you want me to create it for you, simply drop me a line on my talkpage with a reminder of what you want to have (and maybe a link to this help desk section) and I will see what I can do as soon as I come home again (in case nobody else has taken care of it by then). -- Toshio Yamaguchi 09:44, 17 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    Well, I just created User:Toshio Yamaguchi/Template:Bot block message. Is that what you have in mind? If that's the case, then feel free to move the template out of my userspace and into template namespace (remember to move the doc subpage as well, if you want to retain it, although I think as an admin you have some button somewhere allowing you to move a page including its subpages in one sweep. Also, you need to adjust the template name in the documentation to the actual template name (without User:Toshio Yamaguchi/)). -- Toshio Yamaguchi 12:39, 17 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    Thank you! After some tweaks, I moved it to {{Bot block message}} and have announced its creation at WP:AN. Nyttend (talk) 14:04, 17 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    How to block an editor

    What single page does one go to for advice on beginning an action to block an editor? I went to WP:Requests for mediation/Guide, but was confronted with a notice stating "This Wikepedia page is outdated." Is there now a page that replaces this one? GeorgeLouis (talk) 04:34, 17 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    If you are asking how to block an editor when you are an administrator, you can see Wikipedia:New admin school/Blocking. TBrandley (what's up) 04:41, 17 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    [edit conflict] Is it a simple case, like vandalism, egregious personal attacks, or copyright violations? If so, go to WP:AIV. If it's something that will need explaining, consider whether you've done your best to resolve the issue in other ways, such as explaining to the other editor that his actions are problematic. If you've not done that, go do it. If so, and if the other editor simply keeps going, you'll need either to ask an admin privately (best on the admin's talk page, although doing it by email is reasonable if you need to keep it private) or to go to WP:ANI. Either way, lay out with links (diffs are best) the behavior that's led you to believe a block to be necessary, and be careful to say as little as possible that's not related to the dispute in question. Finally, be careful not to overwhelm the page; WP:TLDR is good advice. Nyttend (talk) 04:44, 17 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    Thank you both. Can one of you handle the problem of the page above which bears the legend "This Wikepedia page is outdated" and refers the reader to the Talk Page, and yet there is nothing on the Talk Page to explain why the Project Page is outdated and where the searcher should go for information? GeorgeLouis (talk) 04:48, 17 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    Unfortunately, I can't find any way to do this, short of modifying {{Update}}, and that would remove the notice from lots of pages where the talk page is helpful. In this case, note that the talk page is redirected somewhere else. Nyttend (talk) 05:09, 17 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    User:AGK is listed as chair of the Mediation Committee, so he's probably the person you want to talk to, GeorgeLouis. – Philosopher Let us reason together. 09:08, 17 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    What is good practice to ask a question if there seemed to be no answer?

    Should I ask the question again and again or ask in different pages where someone might be interested?--Inspector (talk) 05:20, 17 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    What question do you need answered? --Jayron32 05:35, 17 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    I wonder if Inspector is referring to this question? Maproom (talk) 09:41, 17 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    It has been answered. Forum shopping when you don't like the answers that have been given, is frowned upon here on WP. Roger (talk) 16:07, 17 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    Sorry, but I mean the Tokugawa Ieyasu one: Wikipedia:Reference desk/Humanities#Palmistry of Tokugawa Ieyasu: can it be verified? I had asked a wider question about Tokugawa Ieyasu once before in the Humanities desk and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan, also. --Inspector (talk) 00:05, 18 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    Link on page

    I had my acct blocked for adding the link to our group Demo the waldo to this page in addition to Save the Waldo. Waldo Hotel#References

    Both links were removed and I was told that links were not allowed as it was advertising.

    Now someone else evidently has logged in and edited the page adding savethewaldos link back.

    I edited the content using a link to a recent artical in our newspaper that is a reference to recent information on the buildings condition. However I did not add a link to our activist group Demo The Waldo because I didnt want my acct blocked again.

    Im asking if they are allowed to link to the group that is for reviving the building a link to the group that wishes to have it razed also should be allowed, or neither should be. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.76.38.179 (talk) 05:50, 17 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    I have removed the duplicate and unsourced material.--ukexpat (talk) 14:18, 17 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    20 millions miles to earth

    Venus not Uranus — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.110.101.183 (talk) 11:40, 17 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    I guess you refer to 20 Million Miles to Earth. Somebody has rewritten the plot section and changed Uranus to Venus.[1] Thanks for telling us. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:06, 17 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    WIKIPEDIA PAGE OF RAFAEL SERRANO

    Page I want help with:

    Rafael Serrano

    Rafael Serrano’s Wikipedia page is currently displaying the message: “This article appears to be written like an advertisement. Please help improve it by rewriting promotional content from a neutral point of view and removing any inappropriate external links. (November 2012)”

    All of the information provided in the article is true and accurate. In order to remove this banner I have found some very useful articles to be used as citations.

    1. Rafael purchased the 125 year lease of Admiralty Arch, the Grade I listed entrance to the Mall, from the UK Government in October 2012. Admiralty Arch is the first major building to be sold by the Government, part of austerity measures to rationalise their property portfolio and raise funds for the Exchequer.[citation needed] http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/9a01ff80-1df1-11e2-8e1d-00144feabdc0.html http://www.cabinetoffice.gov.uk/news/government-leases-historic-admiralty-arch

    2. Rafael Serrano started his career in 1991 at JP Morgan as an Investment Banker in Capital Markets and International Fund Management, Rafael spent three years in London before moving to the offices on Wall Street, New York. On his return to the UK in 2002, he became the Managing Director of Focus Investment Group, Europe, an investment management company.[citation needed] http://www.thecorner.eu/2012/07/londons-admiralty-arch-spanish-owned-hotel-buckingham-palace/

    It is in our interest to remove this banner as soon as possible. Please advise me on how I can assist in presenting the article from a neutral point of view. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Prime Investors (talk • contribs) 12:03, 17 January 2013 (UTC) [reply]

    I fixed the advertising problems. If Serrano acquired only the lease to the building, the UK did not actually sell the building as the article states. Also, are you sure that, since its formation in 1707, the U.K. has never leased/sold a major government building until Serrano came along in 2012? That would be a very impressive accomplishment! -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 15:20, 17 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    Nice work as always. I am wondering about the page title - not sure whether it should be Rafael Serrano, Rafael Serrano Quevedo or Rafael Quevedo (entrepreneur) . Thoughts?--ukexpat (talk) 17:56, 17 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    Code for a character in math formula using TeX

    Resolved

    What is the code to generate an exclamation mark (!) in a math formula using TeX markup? I checked Help:Displaying a formula but can't seem to find it there. -- Toshio Yamaguchi 12:04, 17 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    Well, I just looked at factorial and found that I just have to add ! inside the TeX markup. Sometimes things can be really easy.... -- Toshio Yamaguchi 12:12, 17 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    Article on: Pathological demand avoidance - Reference to Dr Judith Gould

    Article on: Pathological demand avoidance - Reference to Dr Judith Gould

    The blue link for Dr Judith Gould is incorrect. If Dr Gould's name is clicked on it goes to a totally different Judith Gould who appears to be a US novelist.

    Pathological demand avoidance — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.223.2.173 (talk) 12:59, 17 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    I've changed the link to point to Judith Gould (psychologist), although that article does not currently exist. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 13:08, 17 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    Reliable Source

    From where & how I can get reliable sources? for an article, titled "Imaam Siddiqui" — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sajidkhan4u (talk • contribs) 13:25, 17 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    Hello there! There's a help page at Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources which goes into some detail as to the kinds of source Wikipedia holds to be reliable, and how to go about finding them. Please be aware, however, that reliable sources don't just appear like magic waiting for us to cite them. They need to have been written by real people who have real jobs as scholars, journalists, academics, etc. There's a rather significant possibility that no such sources exist about a particular subject. For example, my life has never been the subject of a well-researched and edited biography by a well respected scholar. So, insofar as source may exist, the page I linked above should help you know how to recognize them. However, you should be prepared for the possibility that the sources may not actually exist. --Jayron32 14:14, 17 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    For Imaam Siddiqui, there does not appear to be much in English language reliable sources: Google archives However, "Imam Siddique" seems to bring up more information.[2] -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 14:29, 17 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    Just to clarify, however, there is no requirement that sources have to be in English. Sources from any language which meet the guidance at Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources are just fine. If such sources do exist in English, it would be good to use them, but if such sources only exist in other languages, that's fine too. --Jayron32 14:34, 17 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks. I originally meant to explain something along those lines, but forgot to include something about it by the time I finished writing the above. -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 15:27, 17 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    Infobox templates

    Template:Infobox artwork doesn't allow for a website if a piece of art has an official one. Template:Infobox ice hockey player doesn't allow for a signature/autograph. I added them to The Drop (sculpture) and Wayne Gretzky if someone wants two pages to test. They are both entered at the bottom of the two infoboxes.--Canoe1967 (talk) 16:12, 17 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    I don't think we should be adding signatures for any living or recently dead person, the risk of a signature being used fraudulently or for identity theft is too great.--ukexpat (talk) 17:53, 17 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    Most famous people have them in their articles. I just checked Bill Gates and he has one. The commons has a big warning template about illegal use.--Canoe1967 (talk) 22:35, 17 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    That doesn't mean it's a good idea. I can see the encyclopedic value in having the signatures of, say, the founding fathers, but Bill Gates and Wayne Gretsky?--ukexpat (talk) 03:52, 18 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    Resolved
    Fine by me. The sculpture article actually has more info than its website and the link to Gretzky in commons images has his signature if anyone really wants to see it. Btw, if you every come to Edmonton bring an accurate map and GPS because 80% of the streets are named after him here. Gets really confusing.--Canoe1967 (talk) 20:50, 18 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    My comments above were directed solely to your signatures question. If a work of art has an external link that meets the guidelines at WP:ELYES, I don't see any reason why it should not be in the ibox, so you should probably make a request to that effect at Template talk:Infobox artwork.--ukexpat (talk) 21:50, 18 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    Electro Technical Officer

    Electro Technical Officer (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

    please help me to keep this article(Electro Technical Officer)..i dont know how to correct this thing..i tried a lot but nothing working..so please help...

    thanking you

    G Navin Nair — Preceding unsigned comment added by Navingnair (talk • contribs) 17:55, 17 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    It's a clear copyvio of http://www.marineinsight.com/careers-2/career-of-electro-technical-officer-on-ship/ so you will have to rewrite it in your own words.--ukexpat (talk) 18:00, 17 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    Chip Kelly

    Chip Kelly (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

    Hello,

    You are pretty up to date on your information on former Ducks coach/now Philly Eagles coach Chip Kelly but you keep leaving out that he was married from 1992-1999.

    Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.61.165.17 (talk) 17:58, 17 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

     Not done I'm unable to find any evidence of this. Please cite your source. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 20:04, 17 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    ESPN says exactly the opposite. From http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8734011/do-fbs-coaches-usc-lane-kiffin-need-perfect-home-lives-success-espn-magazine "Oregon's Chip Kelly, the only current FBS coach who has never married, continues to succeed, garnering interest from the NFL, where 30 of 32 coaches have wives."

    Citing findarticles.com

    I've noticed FindArticles no longer works and any citation to a weblink on it is now dead and bounces straight to search.com's search page. This affects a substantial amount of articles. What options do we have to resolve this? Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 21:56, 17 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    I checked Wayback Machine— FindArticles had robots.txt set to not allow archives. You will have to search and find the articles elsewhere. For example, Irish Rebellion of 1641 references Noonan, Kathleen M. "Martyrs in Flames: Sir John Temple and the conception of the Irish in English martyrologies*". Albion, June, 2004. A search of the title finds it at JSTOR 10.2307/4054214. --— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 22:12, 17 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks for the advice. Is there anything else we can we do about the now-dead references in articles, other than hope that editors come across them? Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 22:17, 17 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    You can use Special:LinkSearch to locate use in articles. --— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 22:38, 17 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    A handy tool for identifying and repairing dead-links (from Wayback or WebCite) is Checklinks   ~E:74.60.29.141 (talk) 03:19, 18 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    But both honor websites that don't allow archiving, so they are not useful here. --— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 13:18, 18 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    Adding a picture

    I'm not sure how to add a photo to an article.

    I put one on before with some help from a friend but can't remember how we did it. Besides that, you folks deleted it anyway because you didn't know who owned it.

    The picture I want to post is from a baseball card...its public domain. Am I going to have problems?

    Will — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wllmlos (talk • contribs) 23:32, 17 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    Unless your baseball card is very old, it is probably not in the public domain. I recommend you ask at WP:IMAGEHELP for advice on the copyright. RudolfRed (talk) 03:29, 18 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    January 18

    Martin Degville

    martin degville date of birth not as published it is 27.01.1958 his facebook page evan says this — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.171.123.233 (talk) 00:29, 18 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    That date is referenced to what appears to be a reliable source, though I haven't got the book to check. Facebook is not a reliable source (to be frank, it is not unknown for people to "massage" their ages - though this would not appear to be the usual direction). If you can find a reliable source, independent of Degville or his publishers and agents, for the 1958 date, you could add it to the article with that reference; but you should probably not remove the 1961 date unless there is an overwhelming preponderance of sources that say 1958. In that case you should discuss it on the article's talk page. --ColinFine (talk) 09:30, 18 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    The article says 28 November 1961. http://www.dellam.com/english/SP/SPUTNIKWORLD%20LIMITED.html says 27 January 1958. I also found sources saying 27 January 1961. I don't know what is right. Can you give a Facebook link with the date? PrimeHunter (talk) 20:56, 18 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    Pathetic that you guys are instrumental in....

    It's pathetic that you're instrumental in the deletion of Sheikh Imran Nazar Hosein's wikipedia page. I'd like an explanation as to why that page was taken down. Was it an order from Tel-Aviv? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.190.8.70 (talk) 00:59, 18 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    See WP:AGF. Come back when you can rephrase your question. --Jayron32 01:13, 18 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    The most recent deletion was for being a copy of copyrighted material. It had previously been deleted for lacking references. RJFJR (talk) 03:29, 18 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    User:RiseOfMann/Nick Savoy

    I have created a draft for Nick Savoy, one of the leaders in the field of seduction. I am requesting guidance in properly citing references to this article since I am new to the editing scene. From my research there were prior articles written about Nick Savoy that were deleted for advertising and not having proper sources; thus I am trying to avoid this. I am in no way affiliated with Nick Savoy, just believe he is worthy of an article due to his popularity and relevance to modern culture.

    Any help is greatly appreciated!

    RiseOfMann (talk) 03:32, 18 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    Start at Referencing for Beginners RudolfRed (talk) 03:44, 18 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    Creating account

    I noticed in the Swonder Ice Arena (Evansville,IN) page, it says the place is home to the Rollergirls of Southern Indiana. This league doesn't exist anymore. When I went to edit, it prompted me to sign in...I needed to create an account but the page to create an account only had the option of "log-in issues"...or something along those lines. I need to log-in to get rid of that dated information. Please and Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.76.194.165 (talk) 14:56, 18 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    Try: Special:UserLogin/signup.--ukexpat (talk) 15:39, 18 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    I don't see any reason why you cannot edit Swonder Ice Arena from an IP. In order to edit the first section, you need to pick the 'Edit' tab from the top of the page. Thank you for improving the article: if you wanted to do more to improve it, it is badly in need of some references: as it is, a reader has no way of knowing whether information in the article is reliable, or whether it is out of date, or mistaken, or the result of vandalism. --ColinFine (talk) 16:47, 18 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    IP's see MediaWiki:Anoneditwarning which since November has been more aggressive in encouraging login. It includes "Please log in or sign up". Maybe the poster thought it was required. Use the "sign up" link to create an account. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:24, 18 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    Why was my page deleted.

    My page, Matty Staudt, was deleted and it seems it was a speedy delete by the foundation. I work in media and it is importan that I have my page up. Can this be remedied? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.239.199.2 (talk) 20:19, 18 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    It wasn't deleted by the Foundation, it was deleted by a volunteer editor, after another volunteer editor proposed it for deletion under the WP:PROD process. The reason for the proposal was that you do not appear to pass WP:GNG.
    Just incidentally, it wasn't "your" page; it was a page about you. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 20:39, 18 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    (edit conflict) It wasn't speedy and it wasn't by the foundation but by a volunteer editor with high user rights. Matty Staudt was nominated for deletion per Wikipedia:Proposed deletion with argument "Not notable." See Wikipedia:Notability (people). The article was unsourced, nobody objected to deletion and after a week it was deleted. Even though the page may have been about you, it is not your page. We are an encyclopedia and our articles have to satisfy our criteria. It is not a factor that the subject wants to have a biography (although it can be a factor if they want it to be deleted). However, anybody can go to Wikipedia:Requests for undeletion and request undeletion of an article deleted per Wikipedia:Proposed deletion. It may then be nominated for deletion under another process. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:43, 18 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    What is important to you is not necessarily what is important to Wikipedia. promotion of any kind is forbidden in Wikipedia. That is why the criterion of notability is applied: only topics which have already been written about in reliable organs may have articles in Wikipedia. --ColinFine (talk) 21:51, 18 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    There are other places for you to create a bio such as WikiBios (unrelated to Wikipedia).--ukexpat (talk) 21:54, 18 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    While the general rule is that anyone can context a prod, given that the only objection is the subject, who shouldn't be directly contributing anyway, I think it would be a process waste to restore it only to inevitably delete at AfD.--SPhilbrick(Talk) 14:56, 19 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    Curious enigma

    At the time of writing, the Wikitrends web site appeared to indicate that our article Curiously recurring template pattern was the most visited English Wikipedia page today, this week and this month. I am curious to understand why. Is there a way of determining where this traffic was coming from? --Senra (talk) 20:26, 18 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    stats.grok.se shows similar.--ukexpat (talk) 20:41, 18 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    It was also asked at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 107#Why this article is viewed so much? with the below reply. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:47, 18 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    Normally these peaks are the result of a mistake in some code someone's made that ends up requesting the page over and over again. Given the subject matter I think that's likely in this case. Grandiose (me, talk, contribs) 14:55, 7 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    Thank you both. @PrimeHunter's link indicates a possible reason why this article has had so many page views. Is there any feasible way of determining where the traffic was coming from? --Senra (talk) 20:54, 18 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    Violation sovereign rights of a nation

    Not only I'm going to rate your app as not useful and very bad, I'm also going to spread the word that you are politically inclined and are doing someone's (in my case putins) dirty job of convincing or confusing world to believe in his geopolitical ambitions. There is no "republic of abkhazia" on planet earth! There is region called Abkhazeti in Georgia and there is region Samachablo in Georgia. Just because they are occupied by putinist Russia it does not change what is recognized by civilized world to be reality! Regretfully Alla Wagner — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.144.196.245 (talk) 21:12, 18 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    If you refer to our article Abkhazia then it says "The Georgian government and the majority of the world's governments consider Abkhazia a part of Georgia's territory." But it also mentions a few countries which recognize it as the Republic of Abkhazia. Whether you agree with the recognition or not, Wikipedia shouldn't hide the fact that some countries recognise it. See also International recognition of Abkhazia and South Ossetia which says "Georgia and the vast majority of other countries of the world do not recognise their independence and officially consider them as sovereign territory of the Georgian state". PrimeHunter (talk) 21:22, 18 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    We don't actually care what you think. As far as WP is concerned the only opinions that matter are those that have been published by Reliable Sources. Roger (talk) 21:34, 18 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    See also: Principality of Sealand which has an article here.--Canoe1967 (talk) 21:36, 18 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    @Roger: I beg to differ. We do care what our potential new editors think; we do not bite the newcomers. However, it is of course true that one of our guidelines requires editors to use reliable sources to back up claims such as Abkhazia is not a republic --Senra (talk) 22:22, 18 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    Wikipedia:Neutral point of view is the more relevant policy here. We mention both sides in the dispute over Abkhazia but don't take sides. The poster didn't refer to a specific article but if there is an article stating there is a "republic of abkhazia" without mentioning that its status is disputed then please tell us. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:55, 19 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    I concede that "we don't care" was probably not the most diplomatic way to put it, but it is in fact true per WP:OR, WP:NPOV, WP:V and WP:RS. Roger (talk) 07:15, 19 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    January 19

    To use this ID in another wikipedia

    Hello, I wonder how this id can be used in another wikipedia. What should I do to use my account and where? please give me a tip. Thanks --Mar del Este (talk) 01:55, 19 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    See the links at WP:SUL for help on this RudolfRed (talk) 02:00, 19 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    Is ko:User:Mar del Este at the Korean Wikipedia your account? It has more than 5000 edits. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:07, 19 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    Thank you for both of you! Yes, it's my account, too! --Mar del Este (talk) 10:08, 19 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    Good. I'm confused by seeing "Home wiki: unable to determine" at Special:CentralAuth/Mar del Este but try ko:Special:MergeAccount. If that doesn't give you access to the unified account then try en:Special:MergeAccount and meta:Special:MergeAccount. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:31, 19 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    Is this original research?

    I am unsure whether a decision that I made while working on the article Mike Disa would be considered original research or not. In one reference, Disa mentions that he had developed a film called Wings at Warner Bros. years earlier, but that the film was never produced. He does not give a specific time period for this. Another reference mentions that he developed a film at Warner Bros, but does not specify the name of the project. It does give some frame of reference for when he developed the film though. Although Disa worked as an animator on Looney Tunes: Back in Action at Warner Bros, this is the only film in his resume that has any ties to the studio, and working as an animator is very different from actually developing a project. Thus, it seems clear to me that the unnamed film mentioned in the second source is almost definately Wings. I chose to incorporate the chronology from the second reference in the article and used both references. I feel that this should be okay, but am a little worried that it might be considered original research.

    Here are the two references

    http://www.integratedcatholiclife.org/2011/04/an-interview-with-catholic-hollywood-director-mike-disa/

    http://www.ctnanimationexpo.com/mike-disa/

    --Jpcase (talk) 06:25, 19 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    To me that does sound like OR. However, I don't know if the following is considered a proper WP source, but...
    According to Linkedin:[3]
    Writer/Director Wings — Warner Feature
    2004 – 2004 (less than a year) — Wrote script and Co-directed development for unproduced Warner Brothers feature film titled "Wings"
    ~E:74.60.29.141 (talk) 07:25, 19 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    It seems that linkedin.com is considered a self published source and would be considered an acceptable reference as long as there is no reasonable doubt as to its authenticity and the article does not heavily rely on self-published sources. The article only has one other self-published source (not by Disa himself, but from the official website of another filmmaker) and contains fourteen sources from reliable, third party sources, so this should not be a problem. I see no reason to doubt the authenticity of his linkedin account, especially since the 2004 time frame is consistent with the time frame found in the source that I mentioned (I have even found another source dated to 2004 that mentions Disa was currently developing a project at Warner Bros. at the time - http://www.animatedbuzz.com/WB/52.html).
    The only problem is that when I go to the linkedin page, I can't actually see his resume. There is a white box at the top, with his name, picture, occupation, location, the college that he went to, and a list of previous places that he has worked at (Starz Media, The Weinstein Company, California Institue of the Arts), but below that is a blue box saying "Full profiles for 3rd-degree connections are available only to premium account holders." When I google "Mike Disa Wings" though, the linkedin result does show information on Wings. Do you have a premium account then?
    It does seem that sources that require payment to access are still acceptable under Wikipedia policy, so as long as this does in fact state that he worked on Wings during 2004, then it works. Thanks! --Jpcase (talk) 17:37, 19 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    Oh, by the way, does the linkedin page mention a film called The Seven Dwarfs by any chance? --Jpcase (talk) 19:21, 19 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    No, but it is mentioned in his Portfolio/credit list:[4] ←(a primary source)
    "Director — The Seven Dwarves - Disney Studios (development)"    ~E:74.60.29.141 (talk) 20:43, 19 January 2013 (UTC)74.60.29.141 (talk) 20:45, 19 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    Yeah, I've seen that already. I was hoping to know when exactly he worked on the project. Oh, well. Thanks anyway! --Jpcase (talk) 23:42, 19 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    Browser emulator

    Is there something like a browser emulator which can show what a WP page would look like on various browsers?   ~E:74.60.29.141 (talk) 07:29, 19 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    It depends on which browser you are using. Some browsers allow you to change the user agent, which can give you a basic idea of what a page looks like. The Anonymouse (talk | contribs) 07:32, 19 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    Changing the User-Agent header will change the browser that the site thinks you are running, and therefore possibly the content it sends back to the browser, but it doesn't change how the browser interprets/renders it. Depending on the page, telling a site you are using IE when actually using Firefox could produce a page that looks nothing like it should in either. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 10:09, 19 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    There are free and commercial browser compatibility test sites on the web. Smashing Magazine (not necessarily reliable) has a review of such products that may provide a guide. The Adobe Browser Lab (registration required) is one such free tool --Senra (talk) 11:47, 19 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    Okay thanks, I'll check those out. ~E:74.60.29.141 (talk) 17:18, 19 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    Hi all,
    Now, we all know how seriously Wikipedia takes copyright violations. Even to the point of discouraging links to external website that may contain copyright violations themselves, right? <blushes>I can't find the policy link for the latter.</blushes>
    Help, please! --Shirt58 (talk) 08:30, 19 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    Take a look at WP:LINKVIO. Roger (talk) 08:37, 19 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    Exactly what I was looking for. Thanks mate!--Shirt58 (talk) 09:28, 19 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    Damon Dash

    What's the status of the Damon Dash article? There is more than enough open source new articles than be used for this article. Remove block please.--Ron John (talk) 11:46, 19 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    This is a Wikimedia Foundation issue, an office action. That is, us ordinary editors, and by that I mean, users, administrators, oversighters, bureaucrats, etc.—all of us who aren't among the Foundation's handful of employees—can do nothing (well, I have the technical ability to unlock the article, and if I did do I would [rightly so] be desysopped in about five minutes). There is a legal issue that is pending. We are not here to second guess the Foundation's counsel and don't know the pertinent facts or issues involved. I suggest you drop this. the fact that there are "more than enough open source new articles than be used for this article" is immaterial to the issue.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 12:22, 19 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    It appears that someone was not happy with the way the Damon Dash article was progressing and the Wikimedia Foundation Office is looking into it. The article was temporarily courtesy blanked by order of the Wikimedia Foundation legal department. See Currently under scrutiny. -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 13:48, 19 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    Why is this url on the blacklist?

    Resolved
     – I decided to vent my frustration regarding the spam filter elsewhere. -- Toshio Yamaguchi 14:26, 19 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    I found a website I would like to use as a source in an article I am currently drafting in my userspace. I haven't tried to save the page with the link, but I remember that http://finance.mapsofworld.com/ is included in the spam blacklist. What is the problem with that site? Also it is not possible to get an exemption from the blacklist for my userspace (or my account in general), is that correct? -- Toshio Yamaguchi 11:48, 19 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    Do the replies at Url triggers spam filter in reponse to your 19 July 2012 finance.mapsofworld.com Help Desk request provide any assistance? -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 13:42, 19 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    Ah, yes that's why I recalled having had an issue with that url before, but I didn't remember exactly what it was :) Btw. I think the spam filter is worse than any NFCC enforcing bot could ever be, but the help desk is not the right place for this discussion.... -- Toshio Yamaguchi 13:57, 19 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    You might be able to find the reasons it was black listed here. If the reasons no longer apply, then they probably would be willing to remove finance.mapsofworld.com from the black list. -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 14:26, 19 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    It looks like two IPs and two registered editors were spamming finance.mapsofworld.com into Wikipedia back in October 2007 and that generated Wikipedia:WikiProject Spam/LinkReports/mapsofworld.com. That resulted in User:Beetstra adding mapsofworld.com to the black list 09:34, 16 October 2007.[5]. As noted in 2008 here, "somebody unrelated to mapsofworld.com was persistently adding links for that and other sites to many articles." Given that occured over five years ago, I think the reasons for the black list no longer exist. You might want to try to have the site removed from the black list. -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 14:42, 19 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    I found another link I added to my draft. Thanks Uzma for your suggestion to get the link removed, but since I found a replacement this is not needed (and I don't care whether the url as a whole is blacklisted or not, I am just interested in that one link). -- Toshio Yamaguchi 14:53, 19 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    Double A-Side singles

    Should Double A-Side singles be two separate articles or one articles, and should they be listed with one or two placings in an artist's singles chart. The one in question is "Break My Heart (You Really) / Heroine" by Shakespears Sister. What makes it even more complicated is that they were released as two separate singles in the US, and did not chart anywhere. How should they be listed at Shakespears Sister discography?--202.159.152.14 (talk) 15:00, 19 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    I suggest treat them as though they were different tracks on the same record. If each track is notable in its own right, there is no reason why each should not have its own article.--Shantavira|feed me 15:07, 19 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    Okay, so how should they be listen on the discography?--202.159.152.14 (talk) 15:08, 19 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    Clarification

    Hi, I wanted know What rules applies to renames. If user decides to renamed an article without any discussion, which appears controversial does the WP:BRD rules applies, or is he allowed to decide that his rename is a "fact on the ground" and that any controversy should be resolved as rename vote from his sneaked rename? --Mor2 (talk) 16:00, 19 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    I think the 1st step is to revert the controversial move back to the original and then seek consensus on the talk page before a 3rd move. That is how I would go about it. I did that with Tin Can Cathedral and it stayed as original name with no contension.--Canoe1967 (talk) 16:07, 19 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks.--Mor2 (talk) 16:37, 19 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    Indira Gandhi

    Can someone check recent edits in Indira Gandhi article, not the templates, but, the sourced content they have removed and replaced. I have already done 2 reverts there! --Tito Dutta (talk) 16:10, 19 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    It should be good now since the article has been semi-protected. The Anonymouse (talk | contribs) 17:24, 19 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    Amble article self-promotion

    There's an issue on the Amble page where the owners of website, run as a business, keeps adding a link to said website. I have been removing the link, but they keep readding it. They have have one username blocked already. Is there a way of resolving this without it turning into an editing war?--Jcvamp (talk) 17:32, 19 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    Follow the guidance at WP:DR, or if it is vandalism or spam see WP:ANV. Don't engage in an edit war. RudolfRed (talk) 17:53, 19 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    You could also see about adding the link to the blacklist WP:BLACKLIST RudolfRed (talk) 17:56, 19 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    Thanks for the input. The issue might be resolved in terms of the page as the website owner has taken down the reference to their website, but they've left a note in its place saying it's because of defamatory comments on the talk page. This stems from the fact that they were claiming a community run charity website was also technically a business, and I asked them how they could justify lying about it. I realise using the word 'lying' was a bad idea, especially because they have threatened me with legal action. I really wish I'd phrased it differently.--Jcvamp (talk) 18:52, 19 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    Btw, it's perfectly acceptable to change [modify] your remarks using strikeout: <s> ... </s> Also, as a "disinterested party", I took the liberty of clarifying some external link descriptions. ~E:74.60.29.141 (talk) 19:29, 19 January 2013 (UTC):modified:74.60.29.141 (talk) 19:33, 19 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    • Allowing some travel external links in that external link subsection that did not meet WP:EL created pressure for competing websites to include links to their travel website in Amble. I cleaned up the external link section.[6] An admin may want to keep an eye on the article history to see whether the external link contributors stop. -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 23:48, 19 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    Newly created template doesn't work as it should

    Resolved

    How can I specify a url as a template parameter to be converted as an external link? See User:Toshio Yamaguchi/Template:Google Maps link. When I use {{User:Toshio Yamaguchi/Template:Google Maps link|url=http://maps.google.com/?ll=35.028028,-106.536655&spn=0.077172,0.126171&t=m&z=13|This is a test link}} I get User:Toshio Yamaguchi/Template:Google Maps link. How can I fix this? -- Toshio Yamaguchi 20:55, 19 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    It'll work if you put 2= before "This is a test link" -- at the moment it's the first, not the second unnamed parameter. - Jarry1250 [Deliberation needed] 21:06, 19 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    That does the trick. Thank you. -- Toshio Yamaguchi 21:20, 19 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    Question on an article title with a similar name

    I plan to start up an article called the Komodo, which is a recently made 4x4 tactical vehicle in Indonesia. Thing is there is a Komodo dragon and this vehicle is made officially as the Pindad Komodo. How should I start this. For reference, I remember that the Anoa is made by Pindad. Later, it's renamed as "Anoa (armored personnel carrier)". Hoping for some answers to help me. Thanks. Ominae (talk) 23:58, 19 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    You should name the article "Komodo (vehicle)" or something similar. Then add a link to it from Komodo which is a disambig page RudolfRed (talk) 00:45, 20 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    I think I'll do that. Thanks. Ominae (talk) 02:52, 20 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    January 20

    Hello, a quick copyright question from a Campus Ambassador. One of the students in a course I'm working with had s question about using a study's data on Wikipedia. Her question and my response are below, and I was wondering if my reasoning would be correct.

    • Question: "... I want to copy and paste some tables into my group's Wikipedia page, and I need to know how I can figure out whether the pasting of tables from online journals is permissible by the journals I am using as sources and whether it is what Wikipedia calls 'Fair Use.'"
    • My Response: "... As for the data, it depends a lot on whether the information is in the public domain (essentially, whether or not someone could access the information for free). If that's the case with this journal, I'd say you'd be all set to include it, provided of course that you cite your source. With data, unlike with text, there's no way to express the same idea with different words, so the copyright rules wouldn't be the same. My reasoning is based both on personal experience and the 10 guidelines here. The most relevant ones for you would be to (1) use the bare minimum of data necessary for the reader's understanding, and (2) to ensure that the data corresponds directly with an important section of the text. ..."

    Would that be correct? If not, what would be? Thanks, Kithira (talk) 00:37, 20 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    I don't agree with the implied definition of public domain. Most online journals are not free to copy, even if they are free to access. I agree with your point that text can typically be rewritten with different words, which is why fair use of text is rare. I'd be cautious with data. While I take you point that you can't rewrite it like you can with text, a particular format of a table may be viewed as creative. This is a closer call, but as usual moonriddengirl is the expert. She has done a lot of work with copyright issue regarding lists, which are close to your example of data, but tabular data may well be a more complicated issue than a simple list.
    I'm responding abstractly, and it may be easier to respond with an actual answer. Another question that arises is why does one chose to include a table of data? Lists of items are understandable, but a table of state might open up other questions, Obviously, we have to steer clear of WP:OR, which shouldn't be a problem if the sources conclusions are used an properly attributed, but one wonders why the data is necessary, as opposed to simply the conclusions.--SPhilbrick(Talk) 00:59, 20 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    You should ask at WP:CQ. That's where the copyright-knowable folks hang out. You might need to provide more details such as the name of the Journal and how much from the article you are planning to use. RudolfRed (talk) 01:04, 20 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    Like Sphilbrick said, while data itself is not copyrightable, use of data can be creative so I would think it would depend on whether the ordering of the data met a threshold of originality, which would require seeing the particular use in order to come to an assessment. Disagree though that fair use of text is rare—it's actually ubiquitous—but comes up in a way that is not talked about often, so it may not be evident that fair use is at play. Specifically, all quotations on Wikipedia (of copyrighted material) are instances of fair use. That is why very long quotes are not allowed, because they go beyond what would be considered fair use of the material (the percentage of use in relation to the size of the original work is also a factor).--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 05:22, 20 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    View new pages added today?

    Hello I'm wondering if there is a way to see pages that where added today like new pages. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.74.69.11 (talk) 04:03, 20 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    "Special pages" in the left pane has a link saying "New pages". PrimeHunter (talk) 04:08, 20 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    IP Address

    How can I change my IP address on Wikipedia?

    IJ451 (talk) 04:07, 20 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    Your IP address is determined by your Internet connection and not Wikipedia so I'm not sure what you mean. If you made an edit without logging in and you want the IP address to be hidden for privacy reasons then see Wikipedia:Requests for oversight. If you want to change username from IJ451 to something else then see Wikipedia:Changing username. PrimeHunter (talk) 04:12, 20 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    Would appreciate advice on contentious situation where I'm not sure where to (or if I should) report or ask for assistance on it.

    Hi, I am involved in an AFD that has escalated into unpleasantness, both in the AFD and on the talk page for the article that is nominated for deletion. I'm not sure it is appropriate for me to take this to WP:Dispute resolution but I really feel at a loss. The issues are beyond my ken, and although I have tried to keep things neutral on the AFD nomination discussion, I now feel way out of my depth. I would really appreciate knowing that other, uninvolved people have looked at the situation, as I think I've ended up caught up in something beyond my understanding. I'm not even sure I should be bringing this here... so apologies if I've done wrong, I kept looking for somewhere to get help with no joy, so have come here as a last resort after considering dispute resolution several times over last couple days. Thank you for your advice and help. The AFD in question is Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Araksi Cetinyan Mabalu (talk) 04:14, 20 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    My suggestion is to disengage entirely. If you find you are becoming emotionally involved, or getting into repetitive back-and-forth disputes with the same people, it is best just to disengage. Anything important that needs to be said can be said fairly briefly and only needs to be said once, if you find you are fighting with someone, it's past the time to just go do something else for a while. Wikipedia has lots of places that need work, and if one article is giving you lots of trouble, let it calm down a bit and go do something else. --Jayron32 04:44, 20 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    Hi, I don't know what to do with a spam link I removed in a page.

    User:Cartoonistarif put spam links in several pages (as you can see in his talk page), including The Mag. Nobody removed it, even though it has no relevance to the subject. I kept the link when I cleaned up the links section of The Mag, but upon looking at his talk page I saw the problems... a fan magazine of Newcastle United has nothing to do with an online cartoon magazine in Bangladesh. What to do? — Preceding unsigned comment added by BlueRoll18 (talk • contribs) 04:51, 20 January 2013 (UTC) Oops I forgot to sign -_- BlueRoll18 (talk) 04:53, 20 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    Have they posted again since they got the warning? If so, you can report it at WP:ANV RudolfRed (talk) 04:59, 20 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    User:Jojalozzo reported the spam linking on the user's talk page, but still didn't remove the offending link. I don't know why BlueRoll18 (talk) 05:29, 20 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    columbus ohio

    cowtown is not a nickname. someone even linked it to the definition of hicksville. none of the "sources" are valid. it is all simply slander. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.184.77.26 (talk) 05:53, 20 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    Really? How's this source? Or this one or this one? The fact that I found these with ease leads me to believe that the numerous ones listed in the article, though not linked, likely all check out. I suspect they were added in the first place because of hollow protests like yours.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 06:19, 20 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    Hogtown envies Cowtown--Canoe1967 (talk) 06:52, 20 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    Please, try to be civil here. BlueRoll18 (talk) 07:36, 20 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    Film Festival Wiki - deleted.

    Hello,

    If anyone can offer advice here, we will be most grateful.

    Recently we discovered that the wiki we made about the Saint Petersburg International Film Festival (SPIFF) had been deleted. Before it disappeared completely I managed to read a message on it from a wiki editor. As I remember, it said there were insufficient sources.

    Unfortunately we didn't know how to fix this and subsequently the wiki was deleted.

    We would be very grateful if anyone could send us some guidelines the help us avoid this in future. Also, if it is possible for the wiki to be reinstated, instructions on how to achieve this would be greatly appreciated.

    Thank you for your time, I have you are able to help.

    Best regards,

    C.A. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.172.15.23 (talk) 07:51, 20 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    Moving a category

    I've just discovered a category with a typo in the title - Category:World record holders in paralympic athletics should be Category:World record holders in Paralympic athletics because the adjective "Paralympic" is derived from a proper noun. There is no move link on the category page so how is it suposed to be done? Roger (talk) 08:12, 20 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    According to the advice given here, categories cannot be moved. You have to edit all the articles you want to have placed in the new category. Maybe a tool such as AWB can do it, I am not sure. Otherwise I'd ask at WP:BOTREQ. -- Toshio Yamaguchi 08:39, 20 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    Uhm, I should actually read the stuff I point others to =). You can list a category you want to be renamed at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Speedy (see the advice on that page). -- Toshio Yamaguchi 08:42, 20 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks Roger (talk) 08:44, 20 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    If I prematurely nominated an article at AfD....

    If I incorrectly nominated an article at AfD because of some confusion on my part, what can I do? In the case at hand it is clear that the nomination was the wrong choice, because after some searching I found some sources (and already added some to the article in question). What can I do to remedy the situation? -- Toshio Yamaguchi 09:54, 20 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    Adding an entry

    Hi

    I am a board member of an Australian not-for-profit and would like to post a Wiki article providing information into what we do. Is there a tutorial which can guide me on doing this?

    Regards — Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.168.133.69 (talk) 10:22, 20 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

    Hello, please read WP:YFA for a guide. CURTAINTOAD! TALK! 10:39, 20 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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