User talk:Dharmadhyaksha

Changing profile. So please avoid bringing following stuff to me. No-No... I don't do peer/GA/FA/FL reviews. I don't discuss at AFD/FFD/RFD anymore. I don't fight vandalism anymore. It's bound to return back and there is no point in both me and vandal returning to the same articles. So lets have it their way. I don't revert your reversion of my edits anymore howsoever right i maybe per policies and facts. Same logic as vandal's. And i don't edit cinema related articles.

		The Indian Cinema Barnstar
		You deserve one of these for your work on old Bollywood movies. Please don't let what happened at the GARs deter you from editing what interests you. If you want to work on any older films together I'll be the first to support you and encourage you. I've been creating a lot of stubs recently on 40s movies, but need some assistance fleshing them out. Your work is much appreciated, don't think otherwise.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 14:47, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

I salvaged List of songs by Lata Mangeshkar. It's very important to Bollywood and you've done a great job to date on it which would be a shame to erase. I'm sure somebody else will continue it. I've long thought we needed such an article.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 15:09, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the barnstar, for keeping the list and for the offer; but i will pass it. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 03:21, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

Sameer Dharmadhikari

I'm ignoring your disclaimers to share with you my wonder that Sameer Dharmadhikari had a page in Croatian before it was created on English wikpedia. Yogesh Khandke (talk) 04:37, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

Aah... Maybe they had a drive sometime to create articles on all people who have some minimum x number of films on their credit enlisted in IMDb. We have that kinda list somewhere. It never struck me to create an article on him. Also, with Marathi film/actors i have been overly cautious. They are lesser known and editors not familiar with subject are anyways happy to tag yellow labels of POV and notability. I now see that SD's article created by a newbie was rejected before. Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Sameer Dharmadhikari. So unless i have a huge bulk of information, i havn't created those article. Nonetheless they are still tagged and questioned upon. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 05:01, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Shivajirao Girdhar Patil

Hello! Your submission of Shivajirao Girdhar Patil at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 08:04, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

Priyanka Chopra

Could you please take a look at Priyanka Chopra and make any comments on the talk page? I am not sure if Dr. Bofeld is done with it yet, but I just gave it a copyediting. I am asking you now because of the interactions I saw between he and you over those recent GARs involving Prashant. I want you to be happy with the article before we take it back to FAC (not during or after). Thanks, BollyJeff | talk 18:27, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

I am happy by not being involved in it. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 03:47, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

Ascents of Niger

Hi, Thank you for your recent inquiry about the racially censored theological articles on Wikipedia. The full text of the censored articles discussing the events at the formation of Christianity in the Temple of Jerusalem in AD 70 are below. It includes the original text and sources for the DYK Ascents of James article. I am a hunted man for leaking such information, but if you would like to un-censor it by reworking and reposting it yourself, you would have my thanks and also have assisted in bringing a bit of light to the theological dark age that this system is hell bent on maintaining. NigerJamesJesusChrist (talk) 16:05, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

Ascents of James...

The Ascents of James is the conventional name given by scholars to a book believed to have been used by a Jewish Christian sect in the Transjordan, written in Ancient Greek in the second century BC. Context The Ascents is no longer in existence and all that remains of it is known from a few references found in a heresiology written by Epiphanius of Salamis known as the Panarion (Adv. haer. 30.16.6-9). The Recognitions of Clement also contains source documents (Rec. 1.27–71 & 1.33-71), conventionally referred to by scholars as the Ascents of James. Content The Ascents discuss various topics and salute Jesus Christ's brother, James the Just instead of Saint Peter for starting the first Christian Church. It derogates Saint Paul as "the enemy" who stopped the whole Jewish population converting to Christianity. The narrative in the Clementine literature suggested to be related to the Ascents calls for the abolishment of the Jewish sacrifices substituting a Christian water baptism for the remission of sins. It gives a Jewish Christian discourse of the history of Israel from Abraham through the prophets to Christ and discusses the concept of pre-existence Christology in relation to the notion of the continuously re-appearing "True prophet" resembling Moses and the comparison with Jesus. Ascents also discuss the meaning of the word "Christ" as a Jewish king, qualified by having been the first annointed with an oil taken from the wood of the Tree of life. It does not discuss the death of James by stoning that was recorded by Flavius Josephus or Hegesippus who described him being taken to the "summit" of the temple in Jerusalem, stoned by pharisees and scribes and finally killed with a throw of a staff to the head. This has suggested he fell victim to some type of inter-Jewish conflict. In the Ascents, James climbs the steps of the temple with the twelve apostles and a "great multitude" to bare witness to the High Priest that Jesus was the true Christ. Original Black Madonna of Częstochowa Niger of Peraea was a first century C.E. Jewish military commander, and governor of Idumaea. He was one of three leaders in the attack on Ashkelon during the Jewish War. Attack on Ashkelon The Romans invaded and took control of Ashkelon, a historic centre of the Essenes under a General Antonius. In December of 66 or January of 67 CE, three noble military commanders launched the largest offensive attack of the Jewish war against Antonius at Ashkelon. The attack on Ashkelon was made up of three waves of Jewish and Essene forces under three commanders. The first commander was John the Essene, who was a governor of North Judea, who attacked from the direction of Joppa. The second commander was Silas of Babylon, a highly ranked noble from Herod Agrippa II’s army who had deserted during the Great Rebellion and likely came from the Babylonian military colony of Batanea. Silas launched his attack from the east, from Judea. The third commander, Niger of Perea was a famed warrior and governor of Idumaea. An unusual name for a Jew that meant "black" or "dark skinned" that has now become a racial pejorative. He attacked from the southeast, from Idumaea. The Roman commander Antonius was prepared for the assault and charged the Jewish infantry with Roman cavalry, the result was a massacre of ten thousand people, according to Josephus. John and Silas died in the first attack whilst Niger managed to escape with the wounded to a nearby town called Chaalis in Idumaea. Before their wounds could heal, Niger launched a second attack on Ashkelon resulting in another Roman ambush and the slaughter of eight thousand more Jews. Miraculous Escape Niger however escaped a second time to retreat to a strong tower called Bezedek in another village. The Romans pursued Niger and set fire to the tower, burning it to the ground and presuming him dead. Niger had however leapt from the tower, broken both his legs and crawled away to a nearby cave, where he was found by friends three days later. This act soon became widely regarded as an act of God and Niger regarded as a messianic figure of divine intervention. Siege of Jerusalem and execution Niger lived for another three years fighting Romans until the Siege of Jerusalem (70), when he was brutally tortured, dragged through the streets and killed by the Zealots, who he cursed with his last breath. Robert Eisenman has noted the numerous parallels between the death of Niger and the crucifixion of Jesus Christ saying "one can only bring to mind Jesus of the Gospels". Another parallel to note is that with the death of Simon Magus in the gnostic literature from Nag Hammadi, who is described as levitating with the power of God in front of the Roman Emperor Nero. The apostle Peter prays and Simon falls to break his legs in three places. He is then taken away and tortured elsewhere. References

Hello! My enquiry was in no way related to racism/radicalism or whatever you are calling. It was just a curiosity to know why a DYK article was deleted. The admin had noted that it was deleted for "Creation by a blocked or banned user in violation of block or ban: see Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Paul Bedson/Archive". I didn't even know what the article was like. In case you have complaints against this deletion of the article, please approach Wikipedia:Deletion review. I can't help you here as i have no knowledge of the subject. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 19:45, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Shivajirao Girdhar Patil

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Kindly reconsider

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How about now? ☯ Bonkers The Clown \(^_^)/ Nonsensical Babble ☯ 11:52, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

Jagdish Mali

I have added DoB, though that Better photography article has more info, I think it is ready for DYK. Please go ahead. In case you do not have QPQ, you don't need to review one, I have some advanced QPQs, use this one as QPQ: Template:Did you know nominations/Rock Drill (Jacob Epstein) --Tito Dutta (contact) 08:16, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

We have a better source that says he was 62 years old when he died. So he must be born in 1951/52 and not 1954. (I personally don't trust DNA either. But thats a newspaper and hence should be considered more reliable.) But good that you found the betterphotography link. It has good info. Will have to add it. I have few unused QPQs. But i don't see anything interesting worth a hook as of now in the article. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 08:31, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

I have a doubt, that ToI has used the image I uploaded. I cropped Bollywood Hungama, they cropped me! That January 2013 Andheri wandering or one of most celebrated photographers of 1990s may have some potential as hook! --Tito Dutta (contact) 09:00, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Andheri wandering incident has a bad connotation and can't be used. Plus his daughter has said that the reports are false. Such likely untrue statements can't go on main pages. "Celebrated photographer" is a POV of the reporter, who himself isn't much notable for his penmanship. Its just like how every old celebrity is "veteran". Nothing interesting in it so far. And recently i have been strolling around on WP:TDYK and rejecting/commenting on such mediocre hooks. There are many editors who are of the opinion that such hooks are a reason why DYK section should be removed from main page. Adding one more to their example would only help their case stronger, which i personally wouldn't want. I like DYK more than any other section on main page. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 11:43, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Sources to help your case

17 Facts About Narendra Modi you might not know:

FACT 7

In 1965, there was a war between India and Pakistan. Modi had volunteered to serve the soldiers in transit at a railway station.

10 facts to know about Narendra Modi:

2.Narendra Modi is a patriot since childhood. During Indo-Pak war of 1965, Modi, as a 15 year old boy, volunteered to serve the soldiers in transit at the railway stations. Similarly, in 1967 at an age of 17 years, he served the flood affected people of Gujarat.

I hope it helps improve the article further. Mr T^{(Talk?) (New thread?)} 15:55, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

I had also found the indiatvnews link. But was waiting for Sitush to speak. Read your both's posts together. Thanks a lot. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 16:21, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Did you know that this page said:

"Don't place a tag merely because it's technically permitted. Not every article needs a tag, even if the article could be expanded or improved. Use your best judgment and consider all of the facts and circumstances. Will the tag prompt a positive improvement? If not, then skip it."

These guys are forgetting it perhaps. Mr T^{(Talk?) (New thread?)} 15:35, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

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DYK nomination of Sunil Barve

Hello! Your submission of Sunil Barve at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Drmies (talk) 05:03, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

Hi Drmies! I did not nominate it. But i have asked the nominator Vivvt to look into your comments. If he doesn't wish to too, he will withdraw the nomination. Thanks for your review. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 05:09, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

Nomination Withdrawn. - Vivvt (Talk) 13:38, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

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See this

Exclusion of numbers is less informative: Sitush is white-washing the article. In Wikipedia the more information one article has the better. Numbers put perspective into things. "Many" is an imprecise word. We don't add imprecise things deliberately. Mr T^{(Talk?) (New thread?)} 16:25, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

Is this wrong? If no, then watch it. If yes, then edit it. I have left a note in the talk explaining my edit. Mr T^{(Talk?) (New thread?)} 07:44, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Am fed up of that article. Am not watching anything. You guys carry on. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 07:50, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Even I have lost interest. -sarvajna (talk) 09:56, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

You don't have to edit just watch it. Both of you are doing great. I thank you for your contribution. I am not good with motivational speeches but still I will just say true test of character comes when things go rough, drastic vicissitudes of life seem unbearable; don't loose hope if it's dark now because light will soon follow. Mr T^{(Talk?) (New thread?)} 12:13, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Notice

Hello. There is currently a response to your comment in the discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is Editor (Sitush) behaviourial issues. Thank you. Mr T^{(Talk?) (New thread?)} 12:59, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

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Your input, if you feel so inclined

Hi Dharmadhyaksha, I see that you state that you don't do vandal fighting any longer - I respect that, because it is an eternal uphill battle and tends to sour the editing experience... I hope you don't mind me asking your input on something, though; if you don't want to comment, please ignore this message and remove it if you like, and accept my apologies for bringing you potentially unwanted commentary to your talk page. What I am wondering about is a possible new Shrik88music sock - Lionbase1234 (contributions). I don't want to start SPIs frivolously, and I really may be seeing similarities where none exists, so I would very much appreciate it if you would just cast a quick eye on their editing and let me know if I'm way off base here. But as I say, I respect your wish to stay out of some of the more unpleasant sides of Wikipedia, and I have felt rather discouraged by this particular sockpuppeteer in the past myself (which is why I dropped the previous SPI, which you later brought up, for which I thank you), so if you wish no involvement in this I completely understand. Sincerely, --bonadea contributions talk 10:22, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

Hello Bonadea! You are right. WP:DUCK it is. You may file the SPI based on their statistical edits to M. S. Viswanathan. Previous socks like PrithviSanju (talk · contribs) and Onceshook1 (talk · contribs) have shown similar styles. Their differences can been picked from old SPIs. Also he seems to be fan of Himansh Kohli on whose article he is working at User:Lionbase1234/Himansh Kohli. Kohli's previous articles had been edited by some proven socks. He also seems to have great interest in the article Humse Hai Liife of a TV show where Kohli plays lead role. Big fat duck i would say. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 12:19, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

See this immediately

DS recently started a WP:RM at Talk:2002 Gujarat violence where he wanted to move the page to Anti- Muslim pogrom in Gujarat 2002

Then seeing how it was getting "oppose" responses, he unilaterally created Anti- Muslim pogroms in India (also see WP:A10). I have left a comment on Nick's page. I think this needs to stop.

You know what's worse? This page was autopatrolled, Darkness has auto-patrolled rights. Mr T^{(Talk?) (New thread?)} 11:55, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

A10ed it for duplication of Persecution_of_Muslims#India. Lets see if it gets deleted or not. Many admins would probably turn a blind eye to it. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 12:08, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

Why Persecution_of_Muslims#India? Why not put a custom rationale and mention both Persecution of Muslims#India and 2002 Gujarat violence and the fact that it is a hoax (unproven allegation). (Trust me on this)

Can be classified as an attack page? I think AFDing would be best. Mr T^{(Talk?) (New thread?)} 14:46, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

I will have to AFD it once the speedy is rejected. Also i chose Persecution article because if this article ever grows into something more than Gujarat violence, it will eventually become similar to persecution section. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 14:57, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

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Darkness Shines (talk) 17:49, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

Hmm! §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 17:54, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

Darkness Shines' deleting spree at Religious violence in India

[1] Kindly, take a look. Mr T^{(Talk?) (New thread?)} 07:25, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

Anti- Muslim pogroms in India

Two days, front page as a DYK. Cheers, Darkness Shines (talk) 18:34, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

Not in two days on front page for sure. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 18:50, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

I have all day tomorrow, wanna take a bet? I already have the sources BTW Darkness Shines (talk) 19:27, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

Still you can't get it to main page in two days. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 03:34, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

[2] He is going back to create Anti-Muslim pogroms in India. Mr T^{(Talk?) (New thread?)} 11:41, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

I know. Its at User:Darkness Shines/Pogroms. Will take action on it once its in article space. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 11:46, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

• In case I am absent to raise these issues myself once that is on article space, I request you to quote these from here, I would like to point to the following things:

1. The following articles Persecution of Muslims#India, Religious violence in India and 2002 Gujarat violence cover the topic in detail.
2. This term, "Pogrom" originates from 19th-century Tsarist Russia where it was first used to label attacks against Jewish civilians that were officially approved by the authorities but carried out by civilian mobs who acted with impunity while the police watched idly.
3. The pogrom thing, as of now, is mentioned in context of Gujarat. Now, there is no proof that it was formally instigated by the Gujarat authorities. Far from stoking violence, the authorities, in an attempt to quell the riot, actually declared a curfew immediately after the first signs of attack — and this was spelled out even in media reports. Thus, the police didn't sit back and watch idly.
4. In the aftermath a good many people (mostly Hindus) were punished (sentenced to life in prison). Hence, they weren't acting with "impunity".
5. Thus there were no "pogroms" against Muslims in India.

Yes, there were communal riots here and there since independence (which is covered in Religious violence in India in detail). But to take this sort of extraordinary leap from riots to "pogrom" would be grossly unfair. Mr T^{(Talk?) (New thread?)} 17:45, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

Oh, by the way, I saw your comment on 'Religious violence in India' the content about Vijayanagar sack is still missing from the article. The sources

• Farooqui, Salma Ahmed. A Comprehensive History of Medieval India: From Twelfth to the Mid-Eighteenth Century. Pearson Education India. pp. 124–125. ISBN 8131732029.
• Swell, Robert (2004). A Forgotten Empire: Vijayanagar (reprint ed.). Kessinger Publishing. p. 144. ISBN 1419101250. {{cite book}}: |access-date= requires |url= (help)

corroborate the claims. DS cited, "Hindu culture during and after Muslim rule: survival and subsequent challenges 1994 p43 Originally from Sewells A Forgotten Empire". However, he didn't even try to specify which part is the copy-vio and confirmed that "that really is all [he] can do".
Nonetheless, majority of the removed content was inside quotation marks. Mr T^{(Talk?) (New thread?)} 17:45, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

On the pogroms, i or someone else will take care if you are not around when the article is out. On religious violence, i will get to that when i get time today. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 05:31, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

[3] I'm sorry about that, I don't know what happened! I thought I was reverting faizan, not you. Mr T^{(Talk?) (New thread?)} 08:59, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Yeah! I understood that. Your edit summary was for Faizan. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 09:12, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Amit Deshpande

bhai.. have a look at this article.. the info is outdated.. can u edit the article?? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amit_Deshmukh Aniketp007 (talk) 04:58, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

Can't! Please do it yourself. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 05:07, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

You need to see this to save your back

Click this read the discussion. Mr T^{(Talk?) (New thread?)} 07:08, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

Pictures upload

I need your help regarding picture uploads for Aashiqui 2. I want two promotional pictures of cast, one for Theatrical release poster and one for album art. And, one more of Both part 1 and part 2 to show resemblance with each other (theme of poster). Would you please, upload those pictures from Bollywood Hungama. I would be grateful to you.Prashant 08:08, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

Give me the links from BH and i will upload it. But why don't you learn it yourself? Last time also i asked you to start uploading images on your own. If you have any doubts, ask and i can help you. Once you know it, you wont have to run to other editors for help. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 08:13, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

Here is the link.

• three posters. As one is album artwork (one the green themed pic). one which is similar in the article and last the fourt poster which shows 2 between couples.
• And two any of promotional event photoPrashant 08:31, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

And, if possible then. This pic, joint picture of part 1 and part 2. I want to show resemblance of new poster to older 1 as the theme (under the jacket) is notable and highlight.Prashant 08:38, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

You can not have so many non-free images on this article. If you want the green raining poster to compare with old Aashiqui's poster then the current one i.e. File:'Aashiqui 2' First Look official Teaser Trailer.jpg has to be removed. Same old Aashiqui's poster will also go in the infobox at Aashiqui. And check Brokeback Mountain on how the comparison is made. Promotional images i will upload on Commons. These posters will be uploaded here on en wiki. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 08:58, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I have seen Brokeback Mountain's page and you can remove the current as this violates copyright issues.Prashant 09:02, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

Done as File:Aashiqui 2.jpeg and File:Aashiqui 1.jpg. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 09:15, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

No, that is the album art which you added in the infobox. Upload these two pics.

• [4]
• [5]Prashant 09:21, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

These are the two images you will need. Now where and how you want to place them, you know and you do it yourself. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 09:28, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

First is for comparison. Okay don't upload second one. Please don't do this. The image which u used was album cover. But, you didn't added promotional event pic (which has two lead actors). Only these two pics. Please upload it.Prashant 09:35, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

I will upload the promotional images on Commons later on. I will have to check through many images and choose. Most of those seem to have watermarks and watermarked images cant be used on articles. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 09:47, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Gnana Suvidha

Hello Dharmadhyaksha. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Gnana Suvidha, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: A7 does not apply to software. Thank you. Salvio ^{Let's talk about it!} 08:38, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

A bowl of strawberries for you!

For this fix. I regret, I did not know that my edit messed up with the casualties. Thanks again! Faizan 08:27, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Thats fine. It happens. Thanks! And have answered you on the article's talk page. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 08:29, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

I did not find any reason for their removal or proof of their repetition at the talk. Faizan 08:32, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Explained further on talk page at Talk:2002_Gujarat_violence#See_also_section. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 08:47, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

The Truth: Gujarat 2002 – Tehelka report

I noticed you blanked some material here. I couldn't tell exactly why from your edits, perhaps I missed it. If you don't like the fact that CBI report authenticated the recordings, instead of blanking the sourced material, why don't you find a source that contradicts this point and just add it? Crtew (talk) 12:16, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Replied to you on Talk:The_Truth:_Gujarat_2002_–_Tehelka_report#Repeated_lines_reinstated._Why.3F. Keep discussion on article's talk page so others may participate. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 12:28, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

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Help

In case an edit request on a protected page is pending since long, where do i re-request admins to check this request? §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 11:12, 31 May 2013 (UTC)}}

As a last resort, you could try Wikipedia:Protection_requests#Current_requests_for_edits_to_a_protected_page. The request adds the page to a maintenance category that is patrolled by admins but my suspicion is they are deliberately ignoring the request for now due to the numerous ongoing debates at Talk:Narendra Modi. - Sitush (talk) 11:15, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

I know of the category Category:Wikipedia protected edit requests. But i am seeing few more 2-3 days old request in it. Dunno if those pages are also heated ones. Hence wanted to wake up some admins. You think that particular request is controversial? §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 11:20, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

I am not in a position to comment on the content of the request because I lack the ability to see the books mentioned. They may be hagiographies, they may be impartial or they may be critiques. Given your tendency to appear pro-Modi, I'd guess that an admin might be cautious in accepting the request but I am no mind-reader. It is odd that no-one has commented for or against, so you might want to bump the thread; otherwise, I can only suggest that you list it at the link I mention above. Given the sheer volume of traffic on the page, perhaps people are not commenting for/against the proposal because they are just getting tired of dealing with relatively minor stuff. The entire thing is a war zone at present! - Sitush (talk) 11:32, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

Oh, btw, I do know that Modi recently pulled his approval of a biography - it is mentioned somewhere in the archives. Is that biography one of the books that you have listed? It probably should be. - Sitush (talk) 11:34, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

I don't have access to any of those books. I simply searched on Google and found these relevant to him and hence enlisted them. The "further read" section should just list all books that are written on him, irrespective of their nature. If the book you mention is not in this, then add it. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 11:43, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

Ah. I don't think Further Reading is intended to be just a random list. Basically, if you haven't read them yourself then I don't see how you can be certain that they comply with Wikipedia:Further_reading#Considerations_for_inclusion_of_entries. So, perhaps the request needs to be withdrawn. - Sitush (talk) 12:10, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

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Anti-Muslim pogroms in India

This is disruptive. The article is inherently biased starting from the name. It claims, "Anti-Muslim pogroms in India refer to pogroms carried out with the states tacit approval" who can really claim that where was it proved that it was a "pogrom"? Mr T^{(Talk?) (New thread?)} 16:40, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

Are you guys seriously going to deny that the BJP use anti Muslim rhetoric on a regular basis? And deliberately foster this violence? And that these pogroms happen? Read the sources, then condemn those who do this. Darkness Shines (talk) 16:45, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

You created an article about Anti-Muslim violence and speak about BJP rhetoric? You should know that majority of violence occurred under congress rule. Also you seem written a lot of biased things on the article.-sarvajna (talk) 17:20, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

It occurred under congress rule as it was an electoral strategy by the BJP. What in the article is biased BTW? All is academically sourced and neutral so far as I can see. Ironic really, Mrt asked me to look at the Godra train burning article and here we are, now I am detested both sides of the LOC, best I stay in England. Darkness Shines (talk) 17:26, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

I am not sure if you really know this, BJP is almost non-existent in Assam, BJP formed the govt along with JD(U) in Bihar where Bhagalpur is situated only in 2005. BJP was power in Gujarat even before 2002 violence, they were actually in power since 1995 I guess. There had been no riots in Gujarat since last decade, probably the most peaceful decade in Gujarat.No riots in MP or Chhattisgarh. I feel that you should do some more research before coming to a conclusion. I will try to stay away from this article as much as possible, I have already been accused of being a paid agent :-(-sarvajna (talk) 17:47, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

Hmm, a paid agent? I think not . The violence had tapered off for a while as the BJP had been going strong, when they were not they used the good old divide and conquer rule. That actually needs to be added to the article, I had forgotten it, but if you look through the sources you will see I am very accurate in following them. Darkness Shines (talk) 18:02, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

That article is rabble-rousing to the point of ridiculousness. The following articles Persecution of Muslims#India, Religious violence in India and 2002 Gujarat violence cover the topic in detail. A whole article based on allegations and propagandist assertion is nothing but disruptive. Who cares what "Christophe Jaffrelot" thinks or believes, he, or anybody for that matter, has not proved that the "riots" had official approval of the "Government", that's what "pogrom" implies.

I am not denying religious violence has always existed in India as a pestilence since the very inception of this civilization, but to label them as "pogroms" is grossly biased.
The article reels off many popular names of organizations and appends very derogatory claims behind them, based on what? Garbled assertions and twisted claims which, after a thorough scrutiny, prove to be patently false. It distorts many things. It omits the cause as well as the aftermath of the riots, the actions taken by the government altogether, why? I think it is so that the crimes seem more like "pogroms". Darkness Shines makes it seem the gujarat violence was a "pogrom"-thing as of now. There is no freaking proof that it was formally instigated by the Gujarat authorities. Far from stoking violence, the authorities, in an attempt to quell the riot, actually declared a curfew immediately after the first signs of attack — and this was spelled out even in media reports. Thus, the police didn't sit back and watch idly. In fact Modi has been exonerated by the SIT. In the aftermath of 2002 Gujarat violence a good many people (mostly Hindus) were punished (sentenced to life in prison). Hence, they weren't acting with "impunity".

"The destruction of the Babri Mosque by nationalists lead directly to the violence in 1992" (Bombay Riots) — how on earth is "Bombay Riots" a "pogrom" now? Nellie massacre, 1989 Bhagalpur violence are "pogroms" now? Did DS even read the target articles before adding them in this article? Just because some self-styled "author" doesn't know how to use some English words in right context or tremendously lacks basic knowledge of history, does it make every one of his radical claims true? That article is a POV-hellhole, and the language oooh it's pure seditiousness. Mr T^{(Talk?) (New thread?)} 06:36, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

• No use discussing all this on my talk page. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 05:38, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

It is discussions like this which make me believe that wikipedia is a waste of time. Something I have already know of course. But it is not something that happened overnight, it has always been like this, compare with this article on Google Groups alt.wikipedia groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/alt.politics.india/j9kEYaZ7DrQ --Cuffasofas (talk) 18:04, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Why?

I really don't know what has happened to you of late, Animesh, but you've changed from being a helpful, positive contributor to being someone who, well, isn't. And you've changed from doing good stuff on movies etc to doing somewhat more iffy stuff relating to right-wing/Hindutva politics. What you do and why is your affair, of course, but I'm sorry to see this development because it is likely to end in tears. I will say no more here but you have my email address if you want to use it. - Sitush (talk) 05:32, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

I am still helpful and positively contributing. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Its you who cant see good stuff in my editing. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 05:45, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

Well, I guess I tried. I'm sorry because you are going to find yourself blocked and even topic banned if you keep this up, especially when you start making unfounded insinuations about me and the admin corps: you've lost all sense of proportion and reason. As you are aware, the sanctions are wide-ranging and you should be aware that you are under the microscope. - Sitush (talk) 05:59, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

"I'm sorry because you are going to find yourself blocked and even topic banned if you keep this up" - why are you so vague, is that a threat? Why don't you look in the mirror, Sitush? What exactly did Dharma do to merit a topic ban or block? Stop this attitude. Mr T^{(Talk?) (New thread?)} 06:34, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

You'll likely find out why - it is out of my hands now. Life would be a lot better all round, Mrt, if you didn't feel the need to insert your own comments across quite so many talk page. Mine was a gesture of good faith based on knowledge of Animesh both on- and off-wiki but, of course, you go straight into accusatory mode. - Sitush (talk) 06:50, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

"Mine was a gesture of good faith based on knowledge of Animesh both on- and off-wiki" - do you know him in real life? In that case It would be preferable, I think, if you didn't mix the two. I am not the one who is accusing, it was an observation, or rather a query. You're habituated to threatening others, you've in past vilified, vituperated and threatened me too. It seems as though it's your habit. You already know how Dharma feels about you, yet you come here and threaten him with Blocks and Bans?? How amicable! Mr T^{(Talk?) (New thread?)} 07:26, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

• Dharma always remember you were, are and you will always be a good contributor if you are clear to your conscience and adhere to Wiki-policies. Don't let other people demotivate you or dictate you what you should or should not do. You're free person, not an intellectual slave of somebody. Mr T^{(Talk?) (New thread?)} 06:34, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

Thanks Mr. T. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 12:07, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

A bowl of strawberries for you!

For your wide participation in DYK nominations. Faizan 13:08, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

Please reply there, I have fixed the hook. Faizan 13:21, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

Sourcing issue

I am unsure if any information of this page verifies this sentence Since partition these pogroms have been endemic in India! Your take on it? --Tito Dutta  (talk • contributions • email) 14:40, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

The line you refer to does come from that source. But the line is a quote with no attribution. So if Johnny Lever has said that line it would be our stupidity to use it. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 17:59, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

I don't know why they didn't add Google Books previews in that Anti-Muslim pogrom article, few more sources have similar issues. But, without direct preview link it is getting difficult to verify those. --Tito Dutta  (talk • contributions • email) 18:23, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

I would assume good faith here and suppose that DS simply missed that and also years of publications. Those years also help in getting proper perspective. It is stupid if we use old sources for claims which were later proven wrong in court. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 18:31, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

I always add year of publication, dunno why they are not showing but if you edit the article and look at the refs you will see date, month and year. Darkness Shines (talk) 18:39, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

@Darkness Shines: Date and month is not required for books. That's why the year wasn't seen.
@Titodutta: You are right. There are issues on several sources. Misrepresentations mostly. I see no point in cleaning it. Cleaning it would mean writing "according to XYZ" after every sentence. Taking it to AFD straightaway. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 05:06, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

• Yes, I was just seeing the AFD. I'll try to check the sources once again on/after 9th when I'll get back my normal internet speed. --Tito Dutta  (talk • contributions • email) 05:12, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

Sure! No rush. Given the nature, the AFD is not gonna close in one week's time anyways. We will be seeing few IPs, few socks, few simply I-hate-this-AFD kinda votes, big walls of posts and what not. You will need good net speed for sure. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 05:17, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

It is disturbing to see the article does not provide direct Google book preview link. Currently one needs to click on ISBNs and then search in a) Google Books b) Amazon preview c) and finally Questia etc to verify sources. A good number of sources "have" Google Books preview. I don't know if it was an attempt to create hindrance so that someone faces difficulties to verify sources. See Baboon43's first !Keep vote at AFD, I doubt if he has read all the sources (in just 9 minutes) before commenting "well-sourced". In my opinion, statements and allegations in that article have been exaggerated. In addition, your definition of "pogrom" i.e. attacks on Jews may not be "totally" correct (note "totally") as well. Current use of the word suggests "attack on minority groups or helpless people" --Tito Dutta  (talk • contributions • email) 05:34, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

I wouldn't be totally surprised if such hindrance was actually intended. What more should we expect from a person with that user name?! I know that with fashion the word has been used for various other applications. But that's where it doesn't satisfy our WP:COMMONNAME. Funny thing... as fashion catches so soon, one user was actually proposing calling Persecution of Biharis in Bangladesh as Anti-Bihari pogroms in Bangladesh. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 05:49, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

• It has been requested to rename the article 1984 anti-Sikh riots to 1984 anti-Sikh super pogrom. If riots claiming 2000—3000 lives ^{("riots" are never anticipated and are reprehensible)} are being called "pogroms", then the 1984 anti Sikh riot, in which 11000 people died, must be a Super pogrom! --Tito Dutta  (talk • contributions • email) 06:10, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

Since we're just throwing random labels around, I would not be offended if somebody moved that page to "1984 anti-Sikh holocaust". Come on. I mean what is this shit that's going on? Mr T^{(Talk?) (New thread?)} 06:34, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

We should have a competition of most-creative names. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 06:42, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

From a serious point of view and "in general" I think "riot" or" "massacre" will be better words, following List of massacres in India. An editor feels this/this part of discussion is a WikiProject India related topic and is requesting to either consider moving this discussion to WikiProject India Noticeboard or inform the noticeboard about it. Please see this essay for details. --Tito Dutta  (talk • contributions • email) 06:53, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

You should

You should notify other concerned editors about the AFD, to get a clear consensus. Mr T^{(Talk?) (New thread?)} 06:29, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

They will come in sooner or later once the AfD gets sorted. Also all concerned people have these articles and my talk page on watchlist. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 06:49, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

Advice: You shouldn't let others use your comments to keep on filibustering. Mr T^{(Talk?) (New thread?)} 15:47, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

INCOTM invitation

INCOTM is restarting and you are welcome to nominate articles for collaborative improvement during July 2013. - Project co-ordinator: Sitush (talk) Messages posted by Tito Dutta  (talk • contributions • email) 07:20, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

GARs

So, when are you closing those GARs? In next birth? It was very easy for you to take both the articles to GAR and now you have got slap across your face, when you'll close them. When everytime I see those GARs, my blood pressure rises to see as why it happened. You should be shameful for that as if you can't respect others hard work, how could you expect respect? Please, close them as soon as possible. But, it will remain a thorn in my hand (as I typed these articles with my tired hands).Prashant 10:40, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

Read the section "Guidelines for closing a community reassessment discussion" on Wikipedia:Good_article_reassessment/guidelines. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 11:24, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

I think, you haven't read that. Both pages screams "Keep", which were the thinking of all the editors. You go and close by contacting the coordinator/ administrator.Prashant 13:12, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

"When a community reassessment has run its course, it can be closed by any uninvolved registered user." (emphasis mine) §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 15:14, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

You were so eager that you reassessed not one but two GAs. Now, its your problem. Go and tell anyone according to you can close them.Prashant 22:04, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

Nothing of it is my problem. I am an involved user and hence i dont think i can close it or canvass about it. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 05:48, 8 June 2013 (UTC)