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Re: Argentine economic crisis (1999–2002)

The issue is that a depression is much worse than a simple crisis and statistics show that what ocurred in Argentina wasn’t a mere crisis, but a severe downturn, namely a depression. The fact that it was a depression doesn’t exclude it of having been a crisis to some extent, however, the term crisis is very loose and generic so it is necessary to specify, as a deceleration could be tagged as a crisis without not even having occurred a recession.

Definition of a depression is as follows:
  • A decline in real GDP exceeding 10%.
  • A recession lasting 2 or more years.
Argentine economic performance:
  • Only in 2002 it shrank 11%. Overall decline was greater than 20%.
  • The economy’s contraction lasted for 4 years.

Many economists and eminent organizations have called it a "depression", and some even as a "great depression", and it is indisputable that it met the criteria for being a depression:

Argentina Since Default: The IMF and the Depression, Center for Economic and Policy Research

But this approach has failed for more than four years, as the economy remains mired in a depression, with a loss of more than 20 percent of GDP since the last business cycle peak in 1998.

Argentina’s collapse: Scraping through the great depression, The Economist

Argentina: Depression, Revolt and Recovery, James Petras

Between 1998 – 2002, Argentina experienced the worse socio-economic crises in its history. The economy nose-dived from recession to full scale depression, culminating in double digit negative growth in 2001 – 2002.

Ignorance and Influence: U.S. Economists on Argentina’s Depression of 1998-2002, Kurt Schuler

What Can We Learn from the 1998–2002 Depression in Argentina?, United States Federal Reserve Bank of Minneapolis

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The economy of Argentina finds itself submerged in a great depression that, even if it began four years ago, deepened after mid 2001 with average quarterly falls of deseasonalized GDP with respect to the previous quarter of 5 percent for the last two quarters of 2001 and the first of 2002. This violent deepening of the recession occurred just at the moment that economic agents, almost universally, became convinced of the impossibility of sustaining the Convertibility Plan. (...) Argentina was the poster child for “Washington consensus” economists and policymakers. Less than three years later, Argentina found itself in an economic depression as severe as any in a moderately industrialized country over the past century. It could secure emergency funding from the IMF only after seemingly endless negotiations.

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Although it started more slowly than the U.S. Great Depression, the 1974–90 great depression in Argentina lasted longer and resulted in a larger deviation in output from potential as measured by the 2 percent growth path. Figure 2 shows that between 1974 and 1990, real output per working-age person fell by almost 44 percent compared to the 2 percent growth path, with a decline of almost 25 percent in the first decade. Notice that this economic performance was horrible even ignoring the trend—real output per working-age person fell 23 percent, making the period 1974–90 in Argentina a great depression by any reasonable definition. Over the period 1990–98, except for a brief downturn in 1995 associated with the Tequila Crisis, Argentina boomed, with cumulative growth almost 17 percent more than the 2 percent growth path (37 percent ignoring the trend). Starting in 1998, however, Argentina entered yet another great depression, with real output per working-age person falling by more than 29 percent by 2002, compared to the 2 percent growth path (23 percent ignoring the trend). As noted by the Argentine government in the earlier quotation, the decline was particularly severe in 2001 and 2002.

Britain is following Argentina on the road to ruin, The Telegraph

In 1998, Argentina entered what was to become a savage depression.


By the way, the title is not even correct, since the depression began in 1998, not in 1999, as one can see when quarterly data are evaluated, so the title must be changed. ★ Nacho ★ Mailbox ★ 18:49, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your thorough response, it's clear that you are more familiar with this stuff than I am. Put the way you did, the article should be renamed, and the references you provided above included in the article as well. Would you like to start a move request at the article's page, or directly proceed to moving the article to its new name? Needless to say, I support the move.--Jetstreamer Talk 21:13, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Flight International

Peace be with you Jetstreamer, how are you doing? I just wanna pop by to inform you on how you could improve your referencing skills, particularly with the magazine Flight International since I can see that you use this resource quite extensively. If you haven't already, I recommend you treat this resource as a journal from now on, and so this would mean that it should be listed under the "Bibliography" section of any article. I suggest you use this referencing format within the article:

Author Year, page number(s). If there is no author, use Flight International.

And use this template, filled out with the relevant details, at the end of the article:

{{Cite journal |title= |url= |magazine=Flight International |date= |issue= |volume= |page= (page range if the article spans multiple pages) |location=London, UK |publisher=Reed Business Information |archiveurl= |archivedate= |issn=0015-3710}}

The issue and volume numbers can be found on the first or second page of that particular edition. For example, this is the first page of the 13 October 1999 edition, and at the top left it says "Number 4698 Volume 156". These are the issue and volume numbers. --Sp33dyphil ©hatontributions 05:45, 2 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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 Fixed--Jetstreamer Talk 21:58, 3 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Upload

I am not vast in information technology but that does not make my research a trash. You may wish to upload it the way that seems best to you.197.210.248.57 (talk) 02:31, 4 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know what are you talking about.--Jetstreamer Talk 12:29, 4 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

/* Airlines and destinations */

Air France,El Al and Iran Air are also fly in manila in a past years but now it's now a terminated destination.check your facts.

I have to check nothing, it's you the one that added unsourced content. See WP:BURDEN. I just reverted your changes and warned you. By the way, you should sign your posts.--Jetstreamer Talk 13:01, 10 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Transportes Aéreos Nacionales

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Béchar

hi Jetstreamer

about Air Algérie, i know the city Béchar and it called "Béchar" not Béjar in spain . --Houcinovic (talk) 17:38, 13 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, you are right. It's been fixed.--Jetstreamer Talk 00:13, 15 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Lao Airlines Flight 301

Why is a ref needed in the lede for the flight number? Per WP:LEDE, there shouldn't be refs in the lede, which should be a summary of the article. If you want to use the ref in the article, feel free to extract facts from the source and reference them in the usual way. Will you please revert your edit? Mjroots (talk) 10:29, 17 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I concur, but there's no need to wipe the source out. You can simply move it to other sections of the article. Flight International is one of the most reliable sources in the aviation industry. Don't you think the reference should stay? If not, you're free to remove it.--Jetstreamer Talk 10:34, 17 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Agree that Flight International is an excellent source, which I checked when forming the article, but at the time they had nothing to contribute that wasn't already references. Will check the source and see if there's anything new which can be used now. Mjroots (talk) 10:40, 17 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Managed to find something new from Flight Global . Mjroots (talk) 10:50, 17 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
That's great!--Jetstreamer Talk 13:59, 17 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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added links pointing to Muscat, Sharjah, Sanaa, Merowe and Wau
 Fixed.--Jetstreamer Talk 23:11, 19 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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added a link pointing to Carnot
 Fixed.--Jetstreamer Talk 14:12, 19 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Uploading Images

Hello, I successfully uploaded the image File:US Airways E175 at MHT.jpg. However, the image has been rotated. Is this because the original image's dimensions were not appropriate? How can I fix this problem? Thanks. Sunnya343 (talk) 23:47, 19 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Have you uploaded it to Commons? If so, you can request a rotation.--Jetstreamer Talk 23:48, 19 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
No, I have not. I can't upload the same file, at least with the same name, onto Commons. So should I still upload the same image, with a different file name, and then request rotation? Sorry, I'm quite new to Wikipedia. Sunnya343 (talk) 23:53, 19 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
No problem, you may ask all the questions you want. I'll be posting a question here on how to rotate your image, as I don't know the way to do that.--Jetstreamer Talk 23:58, 19 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hello there Wikipedians! Does anyone know how to rotate the image above? The author uploaded it landscape. Thanks in advance.--Jetstreamer Talk 23:58, 19 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there. I have rotated the image and have also created a version that's not so blue. If the original colours are preferred, the file can be reverted back to there. Cheers, -- Diannaa (talk) 00:18, 20 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, Diannaa. Will notify the uploader.--Jetstreamer Talk 00:34, 20 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Kabul International Airport

Can you keep an eye on this page? Someone keeps un-disambiguating Tehran, Istanbul, and Moscow (since those cities have more than one airport with passenger service). I have left a message at the IP's talk page. Thanks! Snoozlepet (talk) 02:07, 24 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

TK to Lahore

Now officially announced by TK: http://www.turkishairlines.com/en-int/corporate/news/news/turkish-airlines-launches-a-new-route-to-lahore. 68.119.73.36 (talk) 05:56, 27 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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DYK nomination of Agence et Messageries Aérienne du Zaïre

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DYK for Agence et Messageries Aérienne du Zaïre

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PLUNAs CRJ

Hey there, I did some research again and it was my mistake. Cosmo indeed bought them so the information is correct. They just never flew them and tried to lease them out as soon as they got them at the auction. Sorry for any confusion! --84.156.5.176 (talk) 14:32, 30 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

No problem. Glad to see this is solved. --Jetstreamer Talk 14:33, 30 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

User:UBX/LiveEditCounter

Hello there Wikifellas! I've tried to set the counter in my user page for the template above to provide a live count of my edits. Maybe (most likely!) I did something wrong, because neither this version nor this other one seems to be working. The number of edits stood at 28397. It is supposed to provide a live count, right? Thanks in advance for your time. Regards.--Jetstreamer Talk 19:34, 30 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Jetstreamer – have you tried taking the userbox out of the boxboxtop template and letting it appear on its own? I did this on my user page and it works okay. – Paine Ellsworth CLIMAX! 04:40, 31 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I think maybe I see what you mean – there is a very different tally on X!'s Edit Counter page than in the user box on my user page. You may need to go directly to the creator of that user box to see what's up. – Paine Ellsworth CLIMAX! 05:09, 31 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for your response. For the record, I tried to put the template out of the boxboxtop and nothing changed. Will contact the creator.--Jetstreamer Talk 21:38, 31 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
You're very welcome! In addition to X!'s page, which is found at the bottom of our contribution pages, is this global account manager. My edit counts don't jive from one to the other nor to the user box edit count. I wonder which is correct, if any of them? – Paine Ellsworth CLIMAX! 00:54, 1 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Seems to be working now. At least, the number has increased from 28397 to 28768.--Jetstreamer Talk 17:05, 1 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I could not see a count; I brought up your user page, even purged it to get a fresh copy, and the userbox still just read "N+ edits". – Paine Ellsworth CLIMAX! 08:05, 2 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I can see a number at my user page, but when I visit another user's one, it happens exactly the same you describe.--Jetstreamer Talk 15:02, 2 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Awhile back, when I kept track of my number of edits, I used {{User contrib}}. The count has to be entered manually, so I'd check the X! count and update the number on my user page. Then for some reason, I don't know why, I stopped doing it and rm'd the box from my user page. In case you haven't seen these yet, here are Wikipedia:List of Wikipedians by number of edits and Wikipedia:WikiProject edit counters, a couple of pages I found interesting. – Paine Ellsworth CLIMAX! 22:34, 3 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the tip. I contacted the author of the template that originated the discussion. S(he) will answer soon. At least I hope so...--Jetstreamer Talk 22:47, 3 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Best of good fortune to you, Jetstreamer! I'll close the help me banner for now; if you need it again, just turn it back into a {{Help me}} template. Joys! – Paine Ellsworth CLIMAX! 16:04, 4 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Austral airfleet 22!!!

This is the source.

Vivo en la Argentina y leo los diarios y noticias, aparte es oficial querido.

http://www.aerolineas.com.ar/es-AR/Prensa/Comunicado/3151_aerolineas-argentinas-recibio-un-nuevo-embraer--e-190-erj

Son 22 aviones operativos en Autral. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.97.51.198 (talk) 13:33, 1 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Freixo vs. Freizo

Hi, thanks for the reply...I understand that there has to be a policy, a referencing procedure, but I thought (and that is the principle under I work on Wikipedia) that the truth was the ultimate goal. In this particular case, I assume (correct me please if I am wrong) that you have one source that says Freizo, but there are hundreds of other sources that says Freixo. Are these other sources not good enough for verifiability? Please look at the DETA map route of 1973 (http://macua.blogs.com/moambique_para_todos/2012/07/a-deta-linhas-a%C3%A9reas-de-mo%C3%A7ambique-em-1973.html), an official publication of DETA, and you will see Nova Freixo in there. In my opinion it does not get more official and verifiable than that. Anyway, just an opinion. Keep the good work! Teixant (talk) 08:52, 2 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for bringing this up, Teixant. Yes, I have a book from which I've been extracting all the material used in the recent expansion of the article. I've added a note that I believe will settle the discussion. Nevertheless, I'll ask you to take a look at the first paragraph of the ″Renaming″ section. There appears Moz as a city served in 1995, for which I could not find an article to link to. Can you please take care of that? Cheers.--Jetstreamer Talk 15:10, 2 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Jetstreamer, I looked at the 1985 publication and there Moz appears after Pemba (in the article you put it in alphabetic order). I believe that the Moz indicates that the destination they are listing is Pemba, Mozambique and not Pemba, Tanzania. They have that kind of disambiguation in the Wikipedia itself for Pemba Airport. Regards. Teixant (talk) 21:09, 3 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

re: Air Centrafrique

http://books.google.com/books?id=kEPbRmivj7IC&pg=PA69 talks about a Caravelle plane having been donated by the Pompidou government to Bokassa (for his private use) in late 1970 as a political move to patch up relations. Would this plane have entered in the Air Centrafrique fleet? --Soman (talk) 15:47, 2 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe that's the aircraft that joined the fleet in the late 1970s, as mentioned in the article (four paragraph, last sentence).--Jetstreamer Talk 16:03, 2 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Air Brousse

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 All fixed.--Jetstreamer Talk 20:29, 3 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Air Centrafrique

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Aeroflot (again)

The article has been semi-protected for a year, with the latest protection implemented by JamesBWatson (comment from this admin regarding the matter I mention). The silver lock worked for the year the page was under protection; since it expired less than a month ago, IP edits started introducing unsourced changes again, as you can see from the history of the article. Does this behaviour warrant protection again? Thanks in advance.--Jetstreamer Talk 23:04, 4 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I reckon it does, at that - so I've re-protected the page accordingly. Let's see if another year off is enough to discourage them... Yunshui 雲‍水 13:49, 5 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I would have protected it for longer than that. We are dealing with an editor who has been doing the same thing over a period of three years, and has not been deterred by several short-term protections and one for a year, and so is unlikely to be deterred by another one year block. However, as in all cases of page protection, we have to balance that against the collateral damage on legitimate IP editors caused by a long block, so maybe Yunshui's one year block is best. I certainly wouldn't have even considered anything less. JamesBWatson (talk) 18:16, 5 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
@JamesBWatson and Yunshui. Thank you both for your responses. Kind regards.--Jetstreamer Talk 18:30, 5 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
@JamesBWatson, If you want to extend the protection, I'd have no problem with that. Jetstreamer, you're more than welcome; any time. Yunshui 雲‍水 08:46, 6 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Biman interior

Hi Jetstreamer! I have noticed that Biman Bangladesh Airlines page does not have a good picture of an aircraft's interior. Since I am not good with uploading images, would you consider uploading this image of 777's economy class and business class after getting the author's approval. Thanks - Ahnaaf (talk) 08:37, 6 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Philippine Airlines Destinations

Please accepted Potential Future Destinations in Philippine Airlines Destinations because those destinations are possibly fly with PAL.Please don't delete it.Other airlines have a Potential Future Destinations. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Paul eva11 (talk • contribs) 13:54, 6 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'm afraid that content falls into WP:CRYSTAL, i.e. prediction of the future, something Wikipedia is not for. Only include verifiable content that relies upon reliable sources, please.--Jetstreamer Talk 14:40, 6 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Aerolíneas Argentinas fleet

I'm sorry, Ijust read your message. I have direkt access to this data (actual seating configurations for Aerolíneas Argentinas). The references are old and mostly refer to planes that have already been returned to their lessors. Hope that helps and sorry again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.136.73.80 (talk) 14:26, 7 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

"I have direct access to this data" is not enough proof to support your modifications. I have reverted your edits again. Please be prepared to add reliable sources for your changes the next time you add or modify any content. Thanks.--Jetstreamer Talk 22:00, 7 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Editor User:AltynAsyr

You had a run-in with the above editor in October. The user has since added a lot of material to the Awaza article. Some of it alright, albeit lifted off another article, but most of the other stuff is quite poorly-written. Some of the material is sourced, but my Russian is not sufficient to read whether it supports the source or not. The user doesn't respond to my edit summaries explaining this, though they seemed to respond to yours, so all the better that I invite you to take a look at the article in its current state. Eik Corell (talk) 17:29, 8 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'm currently kinda busy in real life, but will take a look ASAP.--Jetstreamer Talk 17:55, 8 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
It seems someone has beaten me.--Jetstreamer Talk 22:06, 8 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Response to Flag carrier information

The reason I did not reference the information I provided was because I do not know how to add references, I find it a fairly confusing endeavor and I also think it was rude of you to remove the reference-able information I provided on this page. However at least you had the decency to explain why etc. The link below is the reference for the information I provided if you would be so kind as to put it back on the flag carrier wikipedia page.

http://www.dartmouth.edu/~control/travel/listofusflagcarriers.html

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