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Create an article for the IMGA

Hi there!

We want to have a Wikipedia article for our awards, that exist since 2004. There are more than 3000 entries on Wikipedia about the awards but no page at the moment: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=International+Mobile+Gaming+Awards&go=Go

What would be the best methodology to write this article? Should it be our team (but we don't want it to be considered as promotion) or another writer from Wikipedia community?

Thanks!!!

Anne90.37.1.22 (talk) 13:30, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

Hi Anne - welcome to the Teahouse, and thanks for asking! To put it simply, no, people shouldn't be directly writing about themselves or the companies they work for. That's considered having a conflict of interest, and it's very difficult to write on a subject neutrally - even with good intention. Ideally, if the subject is notable enough, someone not affiliated with the subject will write on it. What I do recommend doing is creating a draft of the article, which will let you prepare the article and submit it for review when you think it's ready. An editor will swing by and review it, and either approve the article or let you know why they're rejecting it. Your draft could be located at Draft:International Mobile Gaming Awards. If you'd like, the Article Wizard will guide you through the process of preparing for writing an entry, and will let you create a draft at the end. Wikipedia:Your first article is also a nice resource for getting started. Keep in mind that article subjects on Wikipedia require significant coverage from a variety of independent and reliable sources, which should be used to get information to write your article with - this lets readers verify information and shows that the subject is notable (or "significant") enough for an article. I also recommend creating an account, which will let editors more easily find and communicate with you. Hope this helps. ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 14:14, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

confusing way to get around Wikipedia

Group:

Somehow, somewhere I saw a response from Plasmic Physic to a request for a reference and he seems to have made it, but cannot find it again or find how to find his talk page if that is how one does it. This is the worst website I've ever worked with in either trying to find your way around or trying to make corrections to typing. I just went through 3 or 4 periods of waiting 30 seconds to a minute for the focus to come back to the posting page. I know this will be a major insult, but what grade school people does Wikipedia use to run this website? Chem4EngrChem4Engr (talk) 11:15, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

Hi Chem4Engr, at the top right of all pages is a link saying "Contributions". Click it to see edits you have made. Click the little arrow "→‎" to go directly to the section User talk:Plasmic Physics#Know who authored statement. See more at Help:User contributions. Posts are either answered where you made them or on your own talk page, linked on "Talk" at the top of all pages. Wikipedia is the sixth most visited website but runs on a modest budget because advertisements are not allowed. Some things can be slow due to limited resources. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:13, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

Picking up on one part of the original question 'corrections to typing'; is there an undo facility when pasting or typing in an edit has gone wrong? SovalValtos (talk) 12:19, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

Before clicking on Save page the keyboard combo of Ctrl-Z should undo. Cheers JoeHebda (talk) 13:30, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

(e/c x2) At the top of this page or any page you will see a permanent link labeled "contributions". Those are your contributions. Clicking that will show you every page you've edited (that's not hidden or deleted) with a link to it and lots of other information and navigation abilities. You will find there that you edited that user's talk page and can click on it to visit it again. Every user has a talk page, and that will always be at "user talk:name", so you could always type that into the search field, i.e., User talk:Plasmic Physics. Every page also has a page history. So since you knew from your post the other day that User:Plasma Physics was recommended to you because they were a major contributor to Methyl radical, you could have gone there, clicked history at the top and navigated to the talk page of every user whose contributions are linked there. Also, since you knew that you had made your prior request at this page, and were provided a link in the response to that user's talk page, you could have searched this page for the prior thread, which is still there. If you know how to use your browser's basic find function it would take literally 2-3 seconds to find the prior post by finding your name on this page, or "plasma physics" or " Methyl". What I'm saying with all this is that there are numerous easy ways to have found the post and your being stymied and impression that it's all very complex and difficult is only a result of being unfamiliar with a new environment.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 12:25, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

BnF inline template

I have an id number for an item in the France national library (BnF No. FRBNF36688567g). What is the Wiki inline template that I can use to link this id number? When a reader clicks on the link, it will automatically go to the France national library and look up the item.

I would like an inline template similar to the "asin" template that uses an Amazon id number to automatically look up an item on Amazon. I am not interested in the authority control templates (because they are not inline).

Thanks for your assistance. Knife-in-the-drawer (talk) 05:15, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

It sounds to me like you want to embed a link to external website into the body of a Wikipedia article. I don't believe this way of linking is acceptable any more on Wikipedia per WP:CS#Avoid embedded links. I think you can add such links to the external links section if they satisfy the criteria listed at WP:ELYES, but if you want add the link in-line then I think you are supposed to use a footnote instead. - Marchjuly (talk) 06:33, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

"This page was last modified" displayed an incorrect date

What does it mean when a page has the message "This page was last modified on X" but at the article's history the last edit shown is from a date different from X (I saw it giving a date before X for the last edit)? That someone made an invisible edit or is it just a bug? (it goes to normal if someone makes one edit then it usually shows the new date correctly) Lolaszvodikech (talk) 03:47, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

Btw, it wasn't problem with browser cache. Lolaszvodikech (talk) 03:47, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Lolaszvodikech. I am not a tech oriented editor, but my guess is that it may have something to do with your user preferences regarding time displays. Main Wikipedia time is Universal Time, similar to Greenwich Mean Time, but users can choose to display local time zones in their preferences. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 04:29, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for answering! But it's not this, because it showed correctly for other pages. :X Lolaszvodikech (talk) 04:37, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

Maybe someone else have experienced the same phenomenon I described? Lolaszvodikech (talk) 04:38, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

@Lolaszvodikech: Which page was it and which dates did you see? PrimeHunter (talk) 12:21, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

Help getting an article reviwed

Hello! I have been working on a article for weeks, getting it reviewed, recieving feedback and making the edits and now I can't get anyone to look at it. I have reached out twice to the reviewer that worked on it and have heard nothing. Anything else I can do?

Thx SusanChana (talk) 02:00, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, SusanChana. "Anything" includes asking here. The quality of the sourcing in your draft article is very weak. A routine Bloomberg catalog listing plus some local coverage about a tax incentive is "really" weak. What is the best you have to offer with your sources? Significant coverage in reliable sources is golden here on Wikipedia. If your sources remain weak, then experienced editors are reluctant to waste more than a minute looking at your draft. I gave you ten minutes. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 04:39, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

Account Hackers

Apparently, this user, was known as AHLM13, was considered a hacker, and is threatening to hack User:Mar4d and has little attention. Was hackers an often problem in the past? Was many users have been hacked before? I notice that there is little reports about this problem, and the majority of the influence, the most used: "Religions, cultures, and also humiliation or just plain prank". I am currently thinking of an idea that will let new users decide if they or not follow the rules. If they create a profile, before editing, they will be redirected into the "rules" page so that they can have the time to read, and also be invited by The Wikipedia Adventure immediately, if they don't know how to edit after their pages have been created. I am actually gonna add this at the Wishing Well, but the real main question here is, does Hackers really give off huge problems here in Wikipedia? CryOCed (talk) 22:44, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

Hello, sit down and rest for a bit. We are happy to have you here. I think you are talking about what we call WP:Vandalism. Check out that page and then get back to us. BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 23:01, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

As far as I can tell, given the discussions I've just looked at, you're misinterpreting what happened here, which I'll sum up (without using any user names) as: One user used Twinkle to revert many edits they did not like, using an edit summary calling these edits vandalism, or naming the users as vandals. A bunch of users told the other to stop doing that. Some observed that these edits appeared out of character for the user, and postulated that maybe their home computer was hacked or they failed to log off a public one and someone then used their account to make these inadvisable edits. However, a later discussion revealed that the original user was making the edits – was using the word "vandal" or "vandalism" in their Twinkle-assisted reverts for any edit they did not like, and a discussion ensued that this must not be done, and there was eventually agreement by the user to stop doing that. I saw no threat of the user to hack the account of anyone. There have been a few major instances in the past of users whose home computer's were hacked, or who had their passwords hacked either through the their home computer (i.e., via a keylogger) or directly in our interface) because they has a weak password), and then a third person went on a rampage using their Wikipedia account. This happened to an admin a few years back. However, given the number of users we have, it's a true rarity.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 23:12, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

@User:Fuhghettaboutit I see, but this kind of user is actually making more and more sockpuppets to explain his own opinion that regards religions. Actually, these kind of users aren't so rare outside Wikipedia, and this user has bypassed all the warnings whatsoever. I am actually curious about that currently, but can we even prevent these kind of users? Especially, they're making new profiles repeatedly. Here's the link by the way. User_talk:Mar4d#My_account_is_hacked. CryOCed (talk) 23:32, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

I still see only a user claiming they were hacked and that got them blocked, nothing in that conversation about a threat by the user to hack Mar4d. Did I miss it? Unfortunately, yes, we can and do end up playing whack-a-mole with persistent sock puppeteer vandals who are sophisticated in using proxies and IP hopping and setting up sleeper accounts.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 00:46, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

People claim to have gotten hacked, or to be hackers but in reality it is very rare. It's like the "My brother did it" excuse, often times a user just decides to go vandalising and then pretends it wasn't them, often times using multiple accounts at the same time. I personally wouldn't be concerned about it, just choose a choice password and you'll be fine. EoRdE6^{(Come Talk to Me!)} 00:51, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

Google shows someone will hack upto 10 wiki accounts for $5 USD ... probably due to weak passwords people use. The same group offers a 1,000 reddit votes or 10 wikipedia affirmations (whatever that is) for $2 USD. Generally speaking, hacking threats are idle - but it really depends on how much you piss someone off - if you're not a donkey (live the wikipedia codes), you have nothing to worry about. -- IamM1rv (talk) 14:08, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

pictures

I'm new to the process and I understand that we have access to a library of free pictures. Where do I access the pictures?

Hbazarte Hbazarte (talk) 19:07, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

Hey Hbazarte. It's called the Wikimedia Commons. It hosts almost 26 million putatively free media files that can be used here. Images and other types of media files hosted there can be used her natively, using our normal file markup. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 19:19, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

Beautiful Userpages? or Blank?

Greetings, members of the Teahouse and the hosts, I was wondering if, you turn your user page into a more sophisticated and complicated look, which means if you beautify your own page, does it really tell exactly who you are? I had this question since some of my friends suggest I ask it. Either way, I have seen other experienced editors that they make their user pages just plain blank, which is better actually, putting more information about you in your own user page, or just plain blank to define imagination, can you really identify the attitude of the person? and which would you prefer? ~Cry (talk) 16:12, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

I would say not. My user page is not beautiful, but I am. Fiddle Faddle 16:20, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

I don't think so either. A beautiful layout might make me go "wow, they're good at design," but that's about it. If I was looking to hire a web designer, that might be important, but alas I am not. As for how much information a user has: I do think it's valuable for editors to discuss themselves. It establishes identity, lets others know what type of work you do on Wikipedia, etc. At the same time, I completely understand the reasons behind why someone might not disclose much information (if at all), such as privacy, avoiding harassment, or being young. So in the end: up to you! ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 18:45, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

definition of third worls countries

what is the definition of third world countries and how they differ from superpowers define crieteria

2601:6C5:201:C4D0:6126:C4A2:3C0E:16A9 (talk) 13:16, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

This sounds like a homework question. Please note that we will not do your homework for you. In any event, see developing country.--ukexpat (talk) 14:15, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

I agree, that merely looks like a homework. We cannot answer your homework for the sake of your understanding, please, you may only ask questions regarding about Wikipedia and other related topics. You can try searching the specific subject in the search bar above. CryOceD (talk) 14:57, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

2601:6C5:201:C4D0:6126:C4A2:3C0E:16A9 hello and welcome to The Teahouse. If you have made a genuine attempt to find the information, which might include the search bar above, try the reference desk.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 21:43, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

What oversight prevents veteran editors from misbehaving?

If these editors treated all articles the way they treat this one, you would try to add NPOV RS content to an article about elephants, and they would revert you and call you a single purpose account POV pusher. And you would say, "What??!!" They would delete blocks of relevant RS content, you would revert based on WP:PRESERVE suggesting we discuss before deleting, and they would immediately rerevert and again call you a single purpose account and POV pusher and they'd go on to say how ridiculous elephants are and how anyone who tries to expand the article with encyclopedic content must be working for the elephants. These are veteran editors behaving this way. Where is the oversight? Which dispute resolution process is meant to resolve this? Thanks for listening. :-( OnlyInYourMindT 11:00, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

@OnlyInYourMind: You are the overseer, as is everyone else. Handle it within policy at the article on its talk page. You have mechanisms available to you if unable to solve it by discussion. Fiddle Faddle 11:21, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

Indeed, I see you have filed a DRN matter about this. Fiddle Faddle 11:30, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

I also note that you did that before coming here. Please be aware that WP:FORUMSHOPPING is deprecated. Please settle your dispute at the article talk page or the DRN. Bringing it here is not appropriate. 11:34, 21 May 2015 (UTC)Fiddle Faddle

@Timtrent: I'm sorry, I didn't think asking for advice would be considered forum shopping. I actually posted here first, but it got archived. DRNs apparently cannot discuss behavior, so I'm asking what resolution system is best for when all content is constantly disputed irrationally (even a tag to expand a 100 word film synopsis). I do not intend to forum shop while the DRN is active. Although the DRN result is quickly becoming irrelevant because the veteran editors have now also removed the content that was the context for the dispute. It's easy to look the other way when elephants are discredited and almost universally disliked, but that should not be license to mistreat other editors and corrupt article content. It's the behavior. This behavior is something all wikipedians should care about. OnlyInYourMindT 12:45, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

@OnlyInYourMind: Well, you have the advice. You will find that rants that fail to assume good faith also fail to attract the help you expect that you deserve. This is a content dispute, not a behaviour issue. You can make it a behaviour issue if you choose to. If you place {{Helpme}} on your talk page and ask for help someone will come along and guide your hand. Note that everyone's behaviour in a behaviour dispute is under scrutiny. Starting one is no guarantee of immunity. Fiddle Faddle 13:14, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

okay, I'll take it to my talk page with {{help me}}. Thanks. OnlyInYourMindT 16:38, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

I have found, at the Help Desk, that one should be wary when an editor asks a question that is posed hypothetically, because it never is a hypothetical question, and the editor posing the question is usually providing a biased description, specifically in order to get the answer that they want, and to use that answer to wikilawyer in the actual case. This isn't about elephants. It is about Zeitgeist (film series). Zeitgeist is already being discussed at the dispute resolution noticeboard, apparently successfully. If you don't think that the moderated discussion is successful, address your concerns at DRN to the moderator. If moderated discussion fails, the moderator will provide advice as to what to do next. You say that you do not intend to forum shop while the DRN is active, but asking for advice here, rather than at DRN, is forum shopping. If you really think that there is a conduct issue, raise it at DRN, because discussing the same issue in two or more places seldom works well. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:50, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

No. Don't take it to your talk page with the HelpMe template. Raise it at DRN. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:51, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

@Robert McClenon: WP:BOOMERANG usually takes effect very soon after such an editor finds out how to raise it as a behavioural issue. It is, of course, not one. It is just a discussion not going their way at DRN, and is a content issue, plain and simple. I suggest we wait and watch with interest. There is, of course, the thought that whoever responds to my suggested helpme template will have the good sense to advise them politely where to go. Fiddle Faddle 16:56, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

my page keeps geting deleted. How do make it stop??

My page: Donovan deleney/sandbox/the Corpse Bride Video Game, was deleted by Jeraphine Gryphon. Can you or someone get my page back?? how do I block people and make sure it never happens again??Donovan delaney (talk) 06:09, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Donovan delaney. If you want to be sure that your contributions are not deleted, then be 100% certain that they improve the encyclopedia. Be prepared to explain how your edits comply with our most important policies and guidelines, and then we can have a conversation. Details are more persuasive than outrage. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 06:16, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

@Cullen328: User:Donovan delaney/sandbox/The Corpse Bride Video Game. is the page in question. Was U5'ed. EoRdE6^{(Come Talk to Me!)} 06:27, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

I am well aware of all that, EoRdE6, and was gently trying to point the new editor in the right direction. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 06:35, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

Just I checking, I was not so well aware of that and your answer seemed to skirt around the reason... EoRdE6^{(Come Talk to Me!)} 06:39, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

Oh and #my page Donovan delaney/sandbox/the Corpse Bride Video Game has been deleted again. I don't won't to start all over again. Is it still on here?? and can you find it?? might help reading EoRdE6^{(Come Talk to Me!)} 06:29, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

@Donovan delaney: Apparently this topic has already been answered by @Chrislk02:, for the following reason: @Donovan delaney:, per the first line which reads "The Corpse Bride Video Game is a fake game based on Tim Burten's Corpse Bride.", and the length of the content (at least 2 pages), this content is not encyclopedic in any way, and there is no way that having it available on Wikipedia can be rationalized (see WP:NOTMADEUP). CryOceD (talk) 9:55, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

FYI - see WP:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk#02:31:44, 21 May 2015 review of submission by Donovan delaney where this same issue has come up. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 09:50, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

Donovan delaney, I don't know your article but I will tell you in general. There are many articles on Wikipedia which have just 3-4 lines still they have survived on Wikipedia just because of their WP:Notability and 1-2 reliable sources. You should also know style of writing, for that you should read 9-10 featured or good articles related to your topic. If your topic is games then read some standard articles on games on Wikipedia, you will get idea that how long should be the lead, what to mention in lead, what should be the other relevant sections etc. But you must have reliable sources attached to it. Such articles usually don't get deleted. Human3015 Say Hey!! • 10:13, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

@User:Human3015 the stuff he keeps posting specifically and definitively violates WP:MADEUP. Please investigate the issue a bit before giving wrong advice that inadvertently encourages misbehaviour. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 10:26, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

So this is about a made-up game, admin deleted it, then restored it on request, telling them to save it, and get it off Wikipedia. They ignored this request, so it appears to have been deleted again. WP:NOTAWEBHOST Joseph2302 (talk) 11:59, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

Indeed, looking at the deleted content, the answer to the headlined question is: you don't; this material has no place here and was properly deleted.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 12:26, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

May I suggest we continue on the editor's own talk page. I've left them what may be descried as a hint there. Fiddle Faddle 12:36, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

I'd suggest he gets a blog account somewhere if it's just made up -- IamM1rv (talk) 14:24, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

Copyright status of an image

I uploaded an image of William B. Strang Jr, which was taken from the Johnson County Museum's webpage. I am not sure who whould have copyright on this 100 year old image or where I make the copyright status known.Art davis (talk) 23:09, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

If the image is 100 years old, then it is in the public domain. Does the museum's web site specify when it was taken, so that you can state that it is in the public domain? Robert McClenon (talk) 23:41, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

It is true that most (U.S.) images you come across are in the public domain if 100 years old, but this is not always the case. If published before January 1, 1924 they are indeed public domain; if published after that date (or never), then a series of other factors comes into play. A very useful chart can be found here.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 00:21, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

Is it acceptable to use a URL from archive.org for a reference?

If a specific webpage no longer exists but there is an older version of that page at archive.org, are we allowed to use the URL link from archive.org (showing the older page version) in a reference? Lupine453 (talk) 22:11, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Simply put, yes – if and only if the underlying source would have been acceptable as a reference, were it available. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:40, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Thank you Fuhghettaboutit Lupine453 (talk) 23:17, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

You're welcome.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 12:27, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

What if I want to cite a source that is not online?

I understand how to cite online sources. How do I cite a source that is not online like a magazine? Thanks in advance! Alex Buxton (talk) 20:47, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Hi Alex Buxton, use {{cite magazine}}, there are cite templates for a wide variety of source types. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 20:59, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

(ec)Hello Alex Buxton, welcome to Teahouse. You can "cite book" or "cite journal"<ref>{{cite journal|author1=Author name|title=You can add title of article here|journal=Nature|date=date of issue|volume=3|issue=January 2014|page=11|url=URL is important, but it is not available then don't post it|accessdate=20 May 2015|language=English|quote=any relevant info}}</ref>. You can post this way. As long as other editors don't have any problem regarding verifiability of your info then mostly no one will object it. If your edits are controversial then people may object. (All this is according to my knowledge)--Human3015 Say Hey!! • 21:04, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

If the edits are controversial the person questioning them can always go to WP:RX and hopefully someone will investigate. I did it myself once when I had access to the source.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 21:12, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Hey Alex. To sum up, you cite it just like you would a source that is online, but don't provide a URL (and you would not of course, use the template {{cite web}}). You can cite manually, but the citation templates, placed between your <ref>...</ref> tags, are preferred as they provide consistent formatting (they also help remind users of the information a fully-attributed citation should contain). Links to the citation templates User:Human3015 referred to are {{cite book}} & {{cite journal}}. See more at {{Citation Style 1}}, and a beginner's guide at Help:Referencing for beginners with citation templates. On a side note, leave out the accessdate= parameter in these templates when your citation is to a paper source. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 21:30, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

I just wen't to the page I was told to go to so I could ask the person to bring my page back. It did not work because there was nowhere to ask it. I wan't my page back. Can someone get it back for me??

I just tried to get may page back. I just wen't to the place I was told to go. But you can't ask the person the question about how to get it back. Can anyone help me get my page back?? Donovan delaney (talk) 19:10, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Hello Donovan delaney. Go to User talk:Chrislk02, click the "new section" link, and make your request there. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 19:17, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

my page Donovan delaney/sandbox/the Corpse Bride Video Game has been deleted again. I don't won't to start all over again. Is it still on here?? and can you find it??

My page User:Donovan delaney/sandbox/The Corpse Bride Video Game., has been deleted again. I don't won't to start all over again. Can you find it for me?? Donovan delaney (talk) 18:38, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

@Donovan delaney: Apparently it was deleted by @Chrislk02: under WP:CSD#U5, blatant violation of WP:NOTWEBHOST. You'll have to ask them if you want the page restored. Joseph2302 (talk) 18:41, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Let me look into it and I will get back to you. Chrislk02 ^{Chris Kreider} 19:14, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

@Donovan delaney:, per the first line which reads "The Corpse Bride Video Game is a fake game based on Tim Burten's Corpse Bride.", and the length of the content (at least 2 pages), this content is not encyclopedic in any way, and there is no way that having it available on Wikipedia can be rationalized (see WP:NOTMADEUP). What I am going to do is undelete the page, and blank it. You have a day or so to get the content from the revision I will link below, after which I will delete it again. (Here is the link [1]). (Please note, you cannot host this there, please move it into word or notepad on your local machine until you find a more appropriate place for it) Chrislk02 ^{Chris Kreider} 19:24, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

photo upload

Hi, I'm confused about which copyright category my jpg belongs to.

It is a photo of Lawrence Pitchko taken in the 1970s. I scanned it from a programme for a concert his was performing in Europe at the time Rayneet (talk) 15:32, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

The image is almost certainly subject to copyright and inappropriate to be uploaded, unless the subject is dead in which case it may be possible to upload it pursuant to our non-free content criteria.--ukexpat (talk) 15:47, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

How to draft an article in userspace

Unrelated to my previous question, how do you draft an article in your userspace? Rubbish computer 15:22, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

@Rubbish computer: You can create in at User:Rubbish computer/article name here. Winner 42 Talk to me! 15:26, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Thank you. Rubbish computer 15:27, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

How to cite a reference twice

I have forgotten how to cite a reference twice. How is this done? Rubbish computer 15:19, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Hello and welcome back. I am sad to see that your computer is still rubbish. However, Wikipedia:Named references should provide what you need. Arthur goes shopping (talk) 15:22, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Thank you. Rubbish computer 15:23, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

At start of first citation add a name, e.g. <ref name="Abcdefg">, and then the code for using it again would be <ref name="Abcdefg"/>. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:24, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

How can i create a wikipedia page

Good morning everyone at Teahouse. I would be grateful if someone of you could provide me some useful information.I'm interested in creating an account and additionally create a new page,but i can't find the steps that i have to follow in order to do it. Moreover, am i able to write some private details in my page about myself (e.g educational background, work experience,etc), or it is forbidden by Wikipedia policy?

Thank you in advance.Aidanika (talk) 10:48, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

• See WP:Your first article. Everymorning talk 11:16, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

To answer your second question - user pages are NOT the place to post your CV/resume "your user page is not a personal website. Your user page is about you as a Wikipedian, and pages in your user space should be used as part of your efforts to contribute to the project."
So you might want to mention which languages you speak, or what your special interests are, because it can be useful for other editors to know this, if, for example, they need help with translating.
However, your education and/or work experience are not relevant to your editing. For more detail please see Wikipedia:User pages - in particular, for what is generally allowed see WP:UPYES and for what is generally not allowed see WP:UPNO - Arjayay (talk) 11:28, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Aidanika hello and welcome to The Teahouse. Arjayay says "your education and/or work experience are not relevant to your editing" but that's not entirely true. What you know about can be helpful to others if your knowledge helps you to understand how to do research and evaluate sources for articles that relate to your experiences.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 20:18, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Hello, Aidanika, and welcome. Everybody here is glad to see you, and we'll be watching to see what you put on your WP:User page. Just look around at other folks' pages and you can see the wide variety of our very diverse group of editors. Good luck! BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 23:17, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

7:00AM and 7:00PM

Hey. How should AM and PM be written in an article? I have seen AM, am, a.m., A.M., PM, pm, p.m. and P.M.. Does it even matter? —DangerousJXD (talk) 09:00, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

DangerousJXD, always lowercase but either am or a.m. is acceptable as long as the article is consistent. WP:MOSTIME explains it all more fully. Nthep (talk) 09:13, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Can someone see my first article and let me know the changes i need to make to conform to the Wikipedia guidelines

Dear friends at Teahouse, I have created my first article i.e, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAATH_Charitable_Trust Unfortunately i have got the following message https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Saath123#Welcome.21

I obviously don't want this article to be removed. Can someone tell me what the changes i can make on my article so that it survives!

Cheers! saath123Saath123 (talk) 08:44, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Hi Saath123, Welcome to Teahouse. You wrote article nice, but it lacks sources. You should attach atleast 1-3 sources that mentions work of this organization. That organization is from Gujarat, India. Then if not The Times of India, Indian Express or Hindustan Times then atleast you have to mention some leading Gujarati newspapers mentioning work of this organization. Second Big mistake you done is your user name and organization name is same, it means that it is your own organization, and people will think that you just want to promote it. Promotion is against policy of Wikipedia. Read WP:Promotion. You can write article on your organization, but you have to provide some reliable sources regarding notability of your organization. Read WP:Notability.--Human3015 Say Hey!! • 11:10, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Saath123: I have to disagree a little with Human3015: you need sources which do more than just mention the work of the organisation. You need two or three substantial pieces about the organisation, written by people who have no connection with it, and published in reliable sources such as those Human3015 mentions. If at least two people unconnected with the organisation have not written about it, then it is not at present notable, and Wikipedia will not accept an article about it, however that article is written. --ColinFine (talk) 16:56, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

ColinFine, now no use of replying him, he has been already blocked for indefinite time for using promotional username. Thats why I already said him that he done "Big Mistake". Hope he will learn from this experience. --Human3015 Say Hey!! • 17:12, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

There should be a link in the notability tag showing what you need to do, and the message from the user is very helpful. I've added the copy edit tag to your article, and I'm happy to do some research and add sources for you later. KieranTribe (talk) 11:11, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

The article was deleted as a copyright violation. Robert McClenon (talk) 18:06, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

What is the difference between External Links and References?

I completely understand why the References section is needed and that its used to backup the information that is represented on a certain page or article. However, I noticed that many articles have a lot of external links, which lead to a homepage, which adds no value to the page/article and don't support the information that page has.

My question is how can you determine whether to add/have an external link on a page/article - do they have to add value? and what are the main purpose of them in comparison to references? (I guess thats two questions!!)

Thank you Kingoptimizer (talk) 07:03, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Kingoptimizer I think you have pretty much answered your own questions but to expand a bit. References are there to ensure that readers can check for themselves that what they are reading on Wikipedia is not just made up. That's why it is preferred that material is backed up by verifiable information from reliable sources that are (normally) independent of the article subject.

Also allowed are external links which do not in themselves support information in the article but they need to conform to the guidelines found at WP:External links. In the main the number of external links should be kept to a minimum and they do need to add value which is why, for example, lists of all a subjects social media outlets are not encouraged but perhaps a link to the subject's official web site would be considered acceptable. Also acceptable are links which do add information to the article but are too voluminous to be used as references. An example might be a website that records every performance by an athelete where the Wikipedia article has only summarised their career and highlighted notable preformances.

External links are one of those areas that are commonly misused and numerous links added which don't conform to the guidelines by people who misunderstand the purpose of Wikipedia which is to be an encyclopedia and not a promotional tool for the article subjects. Nthep (talk) 09:11, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Thank you Nthep for the detailed explanation. It makes more sense now. Kingoptimizer (talk) 17:47, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Nice to see you, Kingoptimizer. Please come back and chat with us again. BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 23:22, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

Conflicting sources

Hi I'm still new on Wiki and am in a bit of a predicament. I'm working on the article Tove Lo and in some of the research I've done while expanding the article, I've came across instances where sources differ on certain facts. These instances are:

• Some sources say she wrote her first song at age ten and others say at age 11.
• Some sources say her first song was titled "Crazy", while others say it's "People Think I Am Crazy".
• Some sources she met an A&R (which connected her to a publishing company) at Icona Pop's record deal celebration party in Stockholm, while others say she met the A&R by chance in London.

I'm not familiar as to what I should in such a situation. Some assistance would be really appreciated. Thanks in advance. Slay A Bit (talk) 05:43, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Slay A Bit if you think the sources that are providing the conflicting information are reliable then use both of them. Something to the effect: "Lo wrote her first song at an early age, some sources say she was only 10<ref1> and others say 11<ref2>". This way the entry remains neutral and the information is verified. Nthep (talk) 08:30, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Thanks Nthep. Slay A Bit (talk) 11:52, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

request for additional information from an article

Forum:

This is my first attempt at asking a question relating to an article. The article is "Methyl Radical". There is a statement about its PRODUCTION. I would like to be able to ask the writer if there is additional detail that can be offered about the statement. But, first is that kind of question allowed? If so, how does one and where does one pose the question? Second, there would have been an initiaql writer than good chance one or more editors that could have changed the statement so to whom would such a question be addressed? A responder for Wikipedia mentioned raising the question in the "Teahouse" so here's my question.

Further, when at the article. "Methyl Radical" I see there is a "Talk" tab and that reading seems to be poster identities followed by "(talk)" which may be a discussion summary page, but if any of this is relevant, does one register for a "(talk)" page, is it assigned if someone registers? and where would it be stored?

Any comments or directions or suggestions on how to proceed would be appreciated

On other websites, my ID frequently is "fairweather" 98.198.62.21 (talk) 00:15, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, 98.198.62.21. Creating a Wikipedia account greatly facilitates communication among editors, so I recommend that you consider that. There is a talk page for every registered editor and for every IP editor such as you, as well. My talk page, for example, can be accessed by clicking "Let's discuss it" in my signature. Every article also has an associated talk page, and that is the best place to discuss the content of that article. But often the talk page on more obscure topics are inactive. Every article and every talk page also has a history page, which shows every edit to the page going almost all the way back to when Wikipedia started, nearly 15 years ago. So you could figure out who added the content in question, but there is no guarantee that the editor who added the content is still an active editor. Since they are volunteers, editors come and go all the time. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 01:54, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

The talk page for Methyl radical has been inactive for nearly two years, but the most active editor on that article seems to be Plasmic Physics. I recommend that you address your question to that esteemed editor. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 02:23, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Wanted to thank Cullen328 for his initial comments, but cannot see how that is done within the depths of Wikipedia. In other forums I belong to, one just clicks on "Reply" or "Post" and it gets done. If one clicks (in green) Cullen328, it goes to to a User / Profile Pager for Cullen, but no way to communicate. If you go to the (maybe a title in blue), seems in his case to go to a hisotry page of past (Talk), still no way to communicate. Wikipedia must set a record in the detail in this website. I'm in detail "OVERLOAD" Can't there be a more straightforward way to use the information in Wikipedia?

Wanted to do the same thing for the User? / Writer? / Editor "Plasmic Physics" mentioned by Cullen328 which was the reason for trying to ask a question of the article "Methyl Radical" Chem4EngrChem4Engr (talk) 16:27, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Hi, Chem4Engr. There is a lot to learn in Wikipedia, as you are finding. Stick with it! Most user's signatures contain two links, the first to their user page and the second to their user talk page. So for Cullen328, picking that name takes you to his user page, and picking "Let's discuss it" takes you to his uesr talk page. (For reasons I cannot fathom, users are allowed to have only one of these links in their signature. In my view, doing so is obstructive behaviour, but the guideline explicitly allows it. In that case, if they have only their user page linked, you can go to that and then pick "Talk" at the top).

If you look at the history of the 'Methyl radical' article (which you can also get to by picking "History" from the top of the article), you'll see that each editor's name is a link (to their user page), and is followed by a "(talk)" link (to their user talk page). In particular, there is one such link to User Talk:Plasmic Physics --ColinFine (talk) 16:50, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Chem4Engr, there is one correction that needs to be made in the above information, and this is why it is so important that you registered. Cullen328 is one of the most helpful people here at The Teahouse and he gives some of the best answers. But he left one detail out of his response (he almost never makes a mistake) in this case when he said, "There is a talk page for ... every IP editor such as you, as well." Actually, there is a talk page for every IP address, and if yours changes, that makes it harder to communicate with you. It could also mean more than one person is getting messages at the talk page of your IP address.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 20:29, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

You are correct, Vchimpanzee, and I oversimplified things a bit. An IP talk page is for an IP address, not for a specific editor. Some people do edit through static IP addresses, and carry on talk page conversations that way. But many IP addresses change frequently, and that makes a conversation difficult. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 02:26, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

@Chem4Engr: I think the other answers here may have missed part of your question too. When you visit a talk page, take Cullen's for example, in the top right inbetween the history link and the edit link is a "new section" link. You write your message there and save it, and it will appear on his talk page (think like a public discussion page for that particular user or page). If you have any more questions, come back here and ask! EoRdE6^{(Come Talk to Me!)} 06:37, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

You can see what a helpful, friendly place the Teahouse is! I might add that "IP" means "Internet Protocol," which is an identifying number assigned to your computer. That means that your computer is visible on Wikipedia, but not your name. And you might not want to get your IP number out in front of the world. That's another good reason for registering. BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 23:27, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

BLPs and age

So I've been helping out with a BLP article on an American Idol contestant, Quentin Alexander. I have a question about how ages are supposed to be formatted when we don't have a source on his exact birthdate, but we have a source for how old he is. One editor has objected to me removing it entirely, but I'm wondering if using a date-retroactive template that gives a vague 21-22 range is necessary if we don't have his exact birthdate-- my idea for handling it was just to type 21 in plaintext in the lead, until we've got a source for his birthdate. Is there a MOS precedent for this sort of thing? BlusterBlaster^kablooie! 23:02, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Hey BlusterBlaster. At Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Dates and numbers#Uncertain, incomplete, or approximate dates, they do not suggest providing an age but rather alternative birth years: "(born 1912 or 1913)". Does that work for you? Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 23:11, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

I'll propose your suggestion on the article talkpage to open discussion in case there's objection, but I'll be bold and put it in the article as well. Thank you! BlusterBlaster^kablooie! 23:14, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Anytime!--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 23:16, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

What does patrolled mean?

I’ve read the Wikipedia page for ‘patrolled’ 3 times, a little worried bout what it means. Patrol-abilty is reserved for the higher echelon of Wikipedia. I understand it’s an administrate tool that prevents ‘patrollers’ from visiting a page more than once as it marks on some level ‘patrolled’ , and these patrollers are looking for vandalism. What else are these patrollers looking to find? Is patrolling random and TAG I’m it? Bobmodikiw (talk) 21:28, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Hey Bobmodikiw. A page that has been patrolled is one that (ideally) a person has checked for problems, performed whatever task is needed to address them (such as nominated it for speedy deletion; flagged for maintenance [e.g., "this article is not written in the formal tone expected of an encyclopedia article..."; this article is an orphan..., etc.] moved to a new name in conformity with Wikipedia:article titles and a million other possibilities) and then marked as patrolled to indicate, in effect "I've already looked at this page so no one else needs to". If someone marked a page you created as patrolled, and did not make any changes to it, then you can take that as the person having checked, and indicated to everyone else, "everything is okay here". Patrolling is often not completely random. For example, it's often done to brand new pages in the article mainspace, as they show up at the Special:NewPages feed by new pages patrollers who are our first line of defense against the raging firehose of crap (with a few diamonds in the mix), that is constantly coming our way. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:19, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Any feedback on this new article?

My second new article...

Any feedback welcome. It's short & sweet. Okay to post this?

It will be better with pictures (see: https://www.google.com/search?&tbm=isch&q=Cruise+Room+Denver+Bar ) Not sure how to solve that just now.

Thanks. Justapersona (talk) 20:31, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

User:Justapersona/Cruise Room -- I assume that's what you're talking about? — Jeraphine Gryphon ^(talk) 20:36, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

I like it Justapersona. I have made two minor WP:MOS fixes and that's all. For the most part pictures from the internet are not allowed, unless they are under the correct license. Best place to learn more is c:Commons:Licensing. EoRdE6^{(Come Talk to Me!)} 22:27, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

I have made some additional MOS, grammar and typo fixes.--ukexpat (talk) 13:01, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Wow. Thank you, everyone. So much to learn. Love it. Justapersona (talk) 14:44, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Citation template for Historical Trust

Can anyone figure out a good citation template for this?

National Register of Historic Places?

NRHP Reference # 79000590 "National Register Information System". National Register of Historic Places. National Park Service. 2009-03-13. http://nrhp.focus.nps.gov/natreg/docs/All_Data.html

Thanks, Justapersona (talk) 20:01, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

@Justapersona: in many confusing situations you can simply use "cite web". <ref>{{cite web|title=National Register of Historic Places|url=http://nrhp.focus.nps.gov/natreg/docs/All_Data.html|website=nps.gov|publisher=U.S. Department of Interior|accessdate=19 May 2015|quote=You can add here any relevant info}}</ref> --Human3015 Say Hey!! • 20:19, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

HI Justapersona. There is a whole world of templates (including an infobox) associated with articles about places in the register. See Template:NRISref which is probably what you are looking for. StarryGrandma (talk) 04:17, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Image License

I have tried unsuccessfully to upload an image for Amanda Oleander, but for various reasons there are issues with licesne. How will I obtain one if the image is available from a web site such as New York Magazine, or even from Ms. Oleander herself? If I take a screenshot from my phone and use that instead, will that require a license?

Thank you very much.

Org0198 (talk) 16:17, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

In order for an image to be correctly licensed, the copyright holder (which is USUALLY the photographer themselves, or the organization which pays them, but may be someone entirely different depending on contracts and the like) must explicitly license the image to be compatible with Wikipedia's own copyleft license, which is CC-BY-SA. Many professional photographers and organizations do not necessarily want to do this, as this allows any and all downstream users to reproduce or modify the work without limit, as long as they attribute the initial copyright holder. If, however, they wish to do so, they have two options 1) If the picture has never been published anywhere before, it can be uploaded at Wikimedia Commons, which is the media repository for all Wikimedia sites, including Wikipedia. 2) If it has previously been published, they can still release it under CC-BY-SA, instructions for doing so are at Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials. Note: under normal circumstances, images you find on other websites are not eligible for use at Wikipedia, as their copyright is held by the original publisher or photographer, who has often retained full copyright privileges. This includes publications such as New York Magazine, so you cannot upload such pictures here. Also, while Ms. Oleander may own copies of pictures taken of her, copyrights on professional photographs are often still held by the photographer, and their use is still restricted. I hope all of this helps. --Jayron32 16:54, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Proper attribution for an article.

This is more of a point of information than a question. Your footnote No. 3 on the Dave Hakstol entry ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Hakstol ) notes that it comes from Frank Seravalli via Philly.com and the Philadelphia Inquirer. Please note that Frank Seravalli is a Philadelphia Daily News staffer (as am I). Philly.com shares web space with the Daily News and Inquirer, and you shouldn't automatically default to the Inquirer when citing sources via Philly.com. Thanks 71.168.221.244 (talk) 14:59, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Point taken and amended. If you find other instances you can edit those articles for yourself to correct the misunderstanding. Nthep (talk) 15:58, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Barnstar

Am I eligible for any medal ? This is my statistics https://tools.wmflabs.org/xtools-ec/?user=Svpnikhil&project=en.wikipedia.org. If you denied too I can accept it.Svpnikhil (talk) 12:43, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Svpnikhil Barnstars are a way of users thanking each other for their efforts. They aren't obligatory and many users ignore them and don't award them or receive them. The one area you can award something to yourself are the awards listed at Wikipedia:Service awards if you think you are eligible for one or more of those go ahead and add them to your user page. Nthep (talk) 15:54, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Link I added was informative with proof

My link was removed and stated that it is not adding anything, but if you read the Wiki Page, my link is adding much more information then the actual one.175.100.147.62 (talk) 07:46, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Which article and what link are you talking about? The edit is not showing up in your contributions for your current IP, you must have made that edit from an account or a different IP. Please let us know what edit or article you're talking about. — Jeraphine Gryphon ^(talk) 09:10, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

How do I handle this situation since I'm not an administrator?

In a biography of a living person, there was a link to the website "beenverified.com". I interpreted that link as an advert|affiliate link and deleted it noting that it was an advert. In the normal course of editing Wikipedia, I've noticed that the link has been re-inserted,

I'm not one to get into edit wars; so what's the correct procedure for handling this? The article in question is Ryan Ruocco and is one of only four on all of Wikipedia referencing that site.
Mikeylito^TALK  07:30, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Looks like it has been removed again by another editor. But, if that hadn't happened, you would've needed to either explain on the article's talk page why that link shouldn't be used, and/or posted on the reliable sources noticeboard asking for confirmation that that link shouldn't be used (so a consensus would be formed, and any editor wanting to add that link back would have to join the discussion instead of adding the link back). — Jeraphine Gryphon ^(talk) 09:14, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Can we use non-English newspapers as source?

There are many issues which are covered by non-English news papers in detail than English. For Example, The Times of India is reliable English source, it is largest selling English daily in the world. But same "Times of India" publishes Marathi language version in Maharashtra state(Population=110 million) of India named Maharashtra Times, also it has Hindi language version Navbharat Times. Times of India will not cover every important issue of Maharashtra state as it is a national level newspaper but Maharashtra Times will cover every detail of work relating to Government of Maharashtra or Biographies of people related to Maharashtra which can be very useful for readers. (Marathi language is also 16th most spoken language in the world). We can write it on Marathi Wikipedia, but as we translate articles from English Wikipedia to Marathi Wikipedia based on English language sources, then why we can't translate Marathi language articles to English based on Marathi language sources? Human3015 talk • 06:26, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Human3015, and thank you for your excellent question. The English Wikipedia is the free encylopedia of the entire world and universe. It is not the encyclopedia of the English speaking world. Reliable sources in other languages are perfectly acceptable, for topics where English language sources are lacking. So, when building an article on any given topic, English language sources are preferred if sources in many languages are ample. But if high-quality reliable sources are limited to those in other languages, those sources are perfectly acceptable as long as the resulting article otherwise complies with our policies and guidelines. Be sure that the sources are of high quality, and are cited properly. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 06:38, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Thanks Cullen328 for your nice guidance. Nice to know that we can use non-English newspapers as source. --Human3015 talk • 07:49, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Human3015: One thing to add is that if you are citing a source that isn't in English, it is helpful to English readers to provide a short translation of the relevant portion of the text (no more than a sentence or so). For example <ref>{{cite newspaper|last=Rane|first=Vinayak|title=मुंबई इंडियन्स फायनलमध्ये|trans-title=Mumbai Indians Won by 25 Runs|language=Marathi|url=http://maharashtratimes.indiatimes.com/sports/cricket/mumbai-indians-won-by-25-runs/articleshow/47350020.cms|date=May 20, 2015|quote=short translated text here}}</ref> — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ahecht (talk • contribs) 06:19, 20 May 2015 (UTC+9)

Not sure if the OP knows but there are several on-line translators available e.g. google - some of these are very good.DrChrissy ^(talk) 21:36, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

@User:DrChrissy, sorry but Google translate is nowhere near the required quality for Wiki-work. In fact, machine translation technology as a whole is still far from being an acceptable substitute for a competent multilingual human, thus machine translations are definitely deprecated. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 21:48, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Hi Human3015. I suggest a slight tweak be made to the template markup suggested above by Ahecht. I think it would be better to use |script-title= for the Maharathi text and |title= for a romanized version of that text. See Template:Cite web#Title for more specific details on how to do this. - Marchjuly (talk) 04:13, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Can't find answer

I received an email to say that there was a message from John from Idegon but I cannot find it anywhere. Can you please help. Thank you. Maplepond (talk) 04:56, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

I posted what us known as a talkback template on your talk page (User talk:Maplepond) to let you know I'd replied to your earlier question here. Until you respond to the question I posed there, I have no interest in helping you further. John from Idegon (talk) 05:36, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

@Maplepond:HERE Click it. It might help you more than that reply above mine... John from Idegon Consider at least pointing them in the right direction next time. EoRdE6^{(Come Talk to Me!)} 05:56, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

@Maplepond: Your original question and the replies to it have now been archived here. If John from Idegon had left the section name on his talkback, you may have found it before it was archived. The question that John from Idegon refers to above is “what is your connection to the company you are writing about?” Perhaps he suspects you have a conflict of interest on the company. —teb728 t c 08:00, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

I work for ClearView, the company that I am trying to create the entry for. I am the marketing manager at ClearView. As mentioned before, someone unknown to the company, created an entry on Wiki for ClearView that was not factually correct. I am just trying to get factual information approved. Thank you. Maplepond (talk) 08:29, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

@Maplepond: Please read Wikipedia:Conflict of interest. Since you work for the company (and particularly in marketing the company), you are strongly discouraged from writing about it on Wikipedia. Also if as you say there is already an article about the company, a second article would not be accepted; any changes would be in the original article. Although you should not edit the article yourself, please feel free to request changes on the article talk page. —teb728 t c 09:06, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

I cannot find the existing article, only a disam page at Clearview.--ukexpat (talk) 12:34, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Probably ClearView: According to its second AfD, it was about an Australian company, like Maplepond’s draft. @Maplepond: if the previous article has been deleted, there is no need to correct the information in it. And not all companies are notable enough for an article in an encyclopedia. —teb728 t c 18:39, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for this advice. I was not aware of this criteria. I would like to request the original article be amended. Is it possible to provide access to it and for me to provide corrected/updated information? Also could you please advise how a similar company in Australia, AMP, has a Wiki page? My assumption was they created it themselves? Here is the link. This company is very similar to ClearView. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMP_Limited thank you for your continued assistance. Maplepond (talk) 22:05, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Hi Maplepond. I'll try and answer your question about similar articles. There are lots of articles that have been added to Wikipedia over the years: some very good and some very bad. Ideally, the bad ones are eventually discovered and improved if possible or deleted when they cannot be fixed. The reality of the situation, however, is that Wikipedia editors are all volunteers with limited time and energy, so many bad articles continue to go undetected.

Your draft is being judged based upon its own merits and whether it satisfies the notability criteria laid out in WP:ORG. The fact that other stuff such as the AMP article exists is not really relevant and does not automatically mean that your company should have a Wikipedia article. You need to establish that your company has received significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources (not trivial coverage or passing mentions or coverage in primary sources). Wikipedia notability is not something that we can create or add through editing. It's not something that can be inherited from others.

Often copying the format of similar articles, especially really good ones such as featured articles or good articles, can be helpful when creating an article, but we cannot copy the notability of its subject. I don't mean to discourage you, but there are many things that Wikipedia is not and it looks, at least at the present, that your company does not satisfy Wikipedia's notability criteria. -Marchjuly (talk) 02:50, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Just for clairty, all I did in the firt instance was amend the original entry which someone must have thought was notable enough to allow it. So, still not sure why I can't get my updated version approved? Thanks. Maplepond (talk) 22:10, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Hi, Maplepond. I'm afraid that assumption is wrong. There are many articles which were created by people who didn't know or didn't care about notability, and slipped in "under the radar". I think that is less likely to happen now than in the past, because there are many people patrolling new pages; but it certainly used to happen, often. --ColinFine (talk) 16:35, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

@ColinFine Sadly, since I spend quite a bit of time looking at Special:NewPages, I would say the problem is as bad as it's ever been and may be worse. The business world has discovered Wikipedia to an extent we didn't see in other years. The reams of spam we see is monumental. Every non-notable business in the world wants a Wikipedia page, and every notable business too, and we can't keep up – to a large degree because we hamstrung ourselves. The culture of talking about COI – discouraging it "<milquetoast>it is permissible but we strongly suggest discourage it"</milquetoast>) – with no prohibition or even enforcement mechanism with teeth for self-interest promotion but use of G11 (easily foiled by anyone sophisticated) is sinking us; we are bailing but we can't keep up. I hate to see what we are becoming. --Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 02:01, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

When is the proper time to insert a non-free image in an article?

As I mentioned in my guest profile, I've been a Wikipedian for more than 9 years now. So, I figure it's time I learned to do things correctly.

I'm in the process of developing several articles. Some I've written as userspace drafts;one currently resides in the Draft namespace. When I've uploaded a non-free image for use in my drafts, it has either been deleted or, preferably, commented out.

So, when is it proper to insert a non-free image into an article, assuming all other criteria have been met for using a non-free image?
Mikeylito^TALK  00:38, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Hi Mikeylito. Non-free content may be used only in article namespace—not in draft namespace or in userspace drafts. So the correct time is when the draft is moved to article space. —teb728 t c 00:49, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Hi Mikeylito. As TEB278 points out, non-free images are not allowed to be used in the userspace per WP:NFCC#9. I believe, however, that you may link to an image if you like so that the link acts as some sort of place holder until your article is ready for the mainspace. This is easily done by adding a colon before "File" name like this [[:File:file name]]. This will create a wikilink to the file's Wikipedia page. Once your article has been added to the mainspace, simply remove the colon and the wikilink will be replaced by the actual image. One last thing, make sure the image satisfies all 10 criteria for non-free use specified in WP:NFCCP. The one people seem to forget the most when adding non-free images to articles is the "separate specific non-free use rationale" required per WP:NFCC#10c. - Marchjuly (talk) 02:01, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Thanks to both TEB728 and, especially, Marchjuly for your responses. Indeed, I was aware that all other criteria for non-free images needed to be met. In fact, I put the use rationale for the userdraft articles in the image's description, but clearly that was insufficient. However, the edit tip you gave, Marchjuly, is a quick method of developing an article with the least amount of bother while still being able to "see" the article as it should finally be presented.

I'm going to test it out with the article in the Draft namespace as that's the article most ready to go. However, I'm going to check some other places to make sure a violation isn't being caused elsewhere. Thanks!
Mikeylito^TALK  02:20, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Just a quick addendum. After a quick test, I prefer to edit out the reference to the non-free image and then implement it when (and if) when the draft is moved to Article namespace. Thanks for the responses.
Mikeylito^TALK  02:34, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

@Marchjuly: and @Mikeylito:. Actually a non-free file is not supposed to be hosted on Wikipedia unless it is used in at least one article. So the :File: workaround does not work unless the file is used in another article or unless the idea is to create a red link to a file that has not yet been uploaded (or unless you are relying on the fact that it takes several days to delete an orphan non-free file). —teb728 t c 06:55, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

You're right TEB728. I was basing my suggestion on the assumption that the non-free file being discussed above had already been uploaded and was being used in another article. I should have been clearer about that when I mentioned wikilinking because all you will get is a red link if no such file yet exists. - Marchjuly (talk) 07:53, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Writing about a book thats beneficial for the public and the environment

Dear Friends in Teahouse!

I read a book about two people from Melbourne who cycled to meet, interview and explore different people simpler living styles reducing, recylcing and reusing. I am a Singaporean citizen and an Australian permanent resident.

However I am working in China for couple of years now. I thought this was a great book that had the chance of finding main stream interest in Asia where many of these ideas need some attention. Also because its written in an easy to read manner and talks about a cycling adventure.

I am new to wiki and I wrote an initial first paragraph and it has been turned down twice. I dont want to give up because I think its worth the trouble. Can anyone please offer me some tips or ideas on how I can overcome this obstacle?

Thanks a million!

J.Raavenan (talk) 00:35, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Hi J.Raavenan. I am sorry to say that it does not help if a subject is beneficial. What is required is that a subject is notable (in the sense that it has received significant coverage in reliable sources) and that the article is written from a neutral point of view. Your draft was rejected because it was not neutral. —teb728 t c 01:01, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Alright. I will focus on the neutrality of the article and re-submit quoting a few reliable neutral sources.

J.Raavenan (talk) 22:27, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Little cleanup help please - screwup at AfD

Eek. I just seem to have made a certain amount of mess at Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Log/2015_May_18, by listing an AfD for Access intelligence and then unwisely doing a move of the AfD page (Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Access_intelligence). Link seems to be correct now, but the entry in the log has failed to process correctly and now is glued to the bottom of the "Persona 3 The Movie: No. 4, Last Episode" entry, w/o a heading. Can't see how to rectify it. Can some savvy person fix it please? Cheers! -- Elmidae (talk) 16:57, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

@Elmidae: Fixed in this edit. Make sure to follow WP:AFDHOWTO next time, or the a lot easier way use WP:Twinkle. EoRdE6^{(Come Talk to Me!)} 19:22, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Cheers! Apparently following WP:AFDHOWTO with additional stupid little flourishes is not indicated :p ---Elmidae (talk) 07:48, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

How to find pages that need more citations or edits so I can start editing and helping out the community?

Hello - Love the teahouse. I did some tutorials on WIkipedia and learned a lot. I found this page that shows a few pages that need editing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Community_portal/Opentask. However, is there another way to find pages in a specific niche that need editing. I am asking, because I am knowledge in the tech niche so I can help edit articles/citations/wrong information much better for that niche!

Any help is appreciated! Kingoptimizer (talk) 19:26, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

Hi @Kingoptimizer: You might be interested in WikiProjects, which are groups of editors that have a similar interest in a topic area. For example, if you're into software, you might check out Wikipedia:WikiProject Software and consider joining. If you look at the 'Project Articles' section, you'll see a summary of articles by quality; if you look at the stub articles, you'll find many short articles that probably need expanding or references. Further down the page, you'll find a to-do list with articles that also need help.

Each WikiProject is independent and runs differently, so not all might have a to-do list - but as far as I've seen, most do have a list of project articles sorted by quality. ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 19:55, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

Thank you! User:SuperHamster. I think I have a new addiction now! Editing Wikipedia.. Thanks for your help - how can I boost your reputation or make you a friend or something? :-) Want to make sure that people know your a great user!! :-)Kingoptimizer (talk) 20:14, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

No problem Kingoptimizer, happy to help. Alas, there's no reputation to boost or built-in friend feature :) See you around! ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 02:39, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

But you could choose aBarnstar and leave it on SuperHamster's user talk page if you wanted, Kingoptimizer. --ColinFine (talk) 17:10, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

Thank you! ColinFine. I will do just that! :-)Kingoptimizer (talk) 03:23, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

History of Moropa High School

Draft article

Name of School: Moropa High School Postal Address: P.O. Box 132, GOMPIES, 0631 Physical Address: Madisha-Ditoro, Zebediela, Mokopane, 0631 Tel: (015) 662-0114 email: moropa@live.co.za Principal: Mr. M.J. Nambo Mobile: 0825050114 email: nambo@webmail.co.za The school was built by the community of Madisha-Ditoro in Zebediela, Limpopo Province, RSA (south of the Capital Polokwane). The school was originally started in 1984. It was initially operating from Mmammati Primary School with two teachers, namely Mr. Molepo and Mrs. Mphulo (nee). This is after the community realised that it was growing and needed a higher school nearby for their children. During 1985, the school got two more teachers, namely Mr. Sediba and Mr. Kekana. During 1986, the community built one maiden block of three classrooms and the pupils and their four teachers were relocated from Mmammati Primary School to the new building at the western outskirts of the village, next to the Gompies River (its current location). Another block was added in 1987 to cater for the then Form 1 upto Form 3, modern day Grade 8 to 10. The name of the school was given in honour of a great community leader named Moropa Madisha, who helped many community members to settle peacefully in the village under the old apartheid regime of bantustans (black African homelands). Ditoro is the grandfather of Fika Madisha, who is well-known in the village, hence the village being named Madish-Ditoro.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 197.76.131.245 (talk) 03:47, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Hello, 197.76.131.245. This is not the place to present a draft article. If you want to create an article about your school, please read WP:Your first article. Pay particular attention to notability: while this is less strongly applied for high schools than for many subjects, it remains the fact that every single piece of information in a Wikipedia article should be cited to a reliable published source. Before even thinking of writing an article about it, you need to find where other people, unconnected with the school, have already written about it, because that is what you must use for the basis of the article. --ColinFine (talk) 17:05, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

The OP came to the Help Desk on 18 May and asked how to create an article on the school. The advice given was first to create a registered account, and then to use the WP:Article Wizard to create the draft article in draft space, providing references to reliable sources for the information. Create a registered account, then follow the advice given by User:ColinFine, which is the same as the advice that you were given at the Help Desk. (Posting the same request at two different pages, after ignoring the advice at the first, often results in one's edits and requests also being ignored.) Robert McClenon (talk) 18:01, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Adding pictures

Hello everyone! I've just added a picture to the page Charles de La Vieuvillebut I don't know how to make it smaller. Could you help me, please?

Courtously, User: The Count of Zielin — Preceding undated comment added 11:39, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

 Fixed After the file name, you can add a size, for example |200px makes them 200px size (which is a standard sort of size). Also, for reference, new Teahouse question usually go at the top of the page (unlike most other boards, where it's at the bottom). Joseph2302 (talk) 11:46, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Bad things

Hw do i fill in morning when i got up on my bed — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.79.122.26 (talk) 21:39, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

I'm sorry but I've read your question three times and I do not understand what you are asking. Please note that this page is for asking questions about using and editing Wikipedia, not general knowledge questions, as yours *appears* to be. We do have a reference desk that is for general knowledge questions, but I'm afraid even there you will have to write out what you mean more clearly. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 21:43, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

How to deal with admin abusing his/her powers?

The reason I am asking this is that some of my edits have been overwritten by certain W admin who removes all positive references and supporting research and leaves only negative information about the subject. Considering that the ratio of positive research/references to negative is 10 to 1, his actions are at least questionable. Yet, being new to Wikipedia, I don't really know how to deal with such situation, it is obviously pointless to go into editing wars with admins...Wiki-shield (talk) 22:46, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

To anyone giving an answer to this you will want to see this thread Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard#Please keep an eye on this user for some background info. MarnetteD|Talk 22:52, 21 May 2015 (UTC)