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Average size of watchlist

So I finally decided to clean out my watchlist hoard today. I've managed to cut it down to around 6000 pages. I'm guessing this is still waaay too much. I'd like to get a general feel for where I am compared with the rest of the community. Am I in the norm? Am I way beyond average? (I'm thinking it could only be the latter, heh.) It looks like there was a small survey done back in 2007 which was helpful, but perhaps standards have changed since then. So just wondering, how big is your watchlist? ;D -- Ϫ 05:58, 22 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I don't ever look at my watchlist, except to erase to make the number of pages on it to zero. So, effectively, zero, but there might be more than zero on my watchlist. --I dream of horses (My edits) @ 06:02, 22 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I currently have 48 pages on my watch list, but then I frequently look to prune it back. Praemonitus (talk) 18:56, 22 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Currently about 10,400 pages (which surprises me). Only 2,050 of these are articles though. SiBr4 (talk) 19:20, 22 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
857. ~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)problem solving 19:40, 22 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
248 - Richfife (talk) 21:58, 22 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
"Below are the last 404 changes in the last 24 hours" -- zzuuzz (talk) 22:01, 22 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I have 5480.--Ymblanter (talk) 22:07, 22 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
1,203. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 22:08, 22 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
After much pruning over the years - down to 4,600. Collect (talk) 22:28, 22 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Just over 5,000 but a lot are random userspace draft pages. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 22:31, 22 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
1577 here. I tend to prune back the number by one or two hundred every 6 months or so. Sam Walton (talk) 22:36, 22 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
797. Haven't needed to scrub it, because the pages on it are not often edited. -- econterms (talk) 14:11, 23 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
2,874, roughly two-thirds articles. Adrian J. Hunter(talk•contribs) 23:47, 23 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Mine tends to hover around 100.  But I've only been editing for about half a year.  Richard27182 (talk) 08:43, 24 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
22,815. >_< Mostly redlinks. —Cryptic 16:56, 24 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Wow. Ok, so this interests me. Cryptic, do many of those red links often pop up as new articles? Only a few? Do you usually only watchlist potentially troublesome article titles? Or is your watchlist a result of automatic watchlisting CSD deletions? Do you even make use of your watchlist? -- Ϫ 04:41, 29 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I have the "Add pages and files I delete to my watchlist" setting on, yes. Around one or two pop up a month. A bit more, if I've been speedying a lot of images recently; maybe 1 or 2% of files deleted for not having a source or license will get immediately reuploaded by the same user with the same problems after User:ImageRemovalBot takes them out of their articles. My actual displayed watchlist is quite manageable: "Below are the last 138 changes in the last 72 hours". —Cryptic 06:50, 29 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
164. I try to keep the number as low as possible, but I'm surprised that I have so few pages compared to others. Biblioworm 17:18, 24 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I've got 2,627 on mine. Most of them got watchlisted because of my initial twinkle configurations. -- Chamith (talk) 17:31, 24 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I've got 2,738 at the moment, which is about twice as many as I could keep up with. The median number of watchlisted pages for all accounts is zero. WhatamIdoing (talk) 18:17, 26 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I prune periodically, and try to keep it around 1000. — xaosflux Talk 16:27, 27 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
179, only 70 of them articles. See no evil. ―Mandruss ☎ 18:20, 27 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
19,966. I have the option set to add pages I edit to my watchlist and so they accumulate over time. Andrew D. (talk) 23:23, 27 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
This is exactly how mine has grown so large, making it much less useful as it's hard to keep up with all the edits, but in a way I also kind of like it because it keeps me returning back to Wikipedia to check again and again. But, 19966! Man that's a lot. Do you even bother checking every page or do you just scan it periodically and see if anything interesting pops out? -- Ϫ 05:04, 29 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Disruptive editor

Hello. User 1.39.49.93 (talk · contribs) has made several edits today, mostly just deleting photos that didn't need deleting. I reverted most of the edits, but 4 edits were made to sex-related articles, which I don't feel comfortable editing. If someone there wants to have a look at this editor's contributions I'd appreciate it. Thank you. Magnolia677 (talk) 13:43, 29 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

All have been reviewed. Alsee (talk) 05:25, 5 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Peyton Randolph

While editing the page Peyton, I noticed two really strangely named articles:

I would suggest renaming them to Peyton Randolph (politician, 1779–1828) and Peyton Randolph (politician, 1721–1775), respectively. I'm not sure what the convention is for dead people; if it is to only list the birth date, then go with that. nyuszika7h (talk) 23:30, 30 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

In meantime, I found WP:NCPDAB, which suggests just using date of birth. Though maybe the latter is considered the primary topic, I don't know. nyuszika7h (talk) 13:18, 31 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Does Wikipedia respect copyrights of ISIS, etc, ?

There are references in Wikipedia to documents (or video/audio/images) from groups such as ISIS and AQ but no link to the actual material. Is this because of copyright or is it suppressed because of some other legal reason? Keith McClary (talk) 05:48, 2 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Yes we do, even though under US law we don't. Groups like ISIS typically don't have reciprical copyright agreements with the US (there's about 12 countries that don't including Iraq and North Korea), meaning that within the US, works published by the country cannot have copyright within the US even if the country has its own copyright. That said, Jimmy Wales has asked us to respect that copyright, as that means they aren't necessarily free around the world, and making them non-free avoids any potenital issues. --MASEM (t) 06:07, 2 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Jimmy Wales has no more authority than you or I in this matter, and his opinions no more weight than ours. Of course, he has a seat on the broad, and so can vote on any motion on the matter put before them, but as fr as I am aware, there has been no such motion. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:24, 2 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Actually we do need to respect copyright - the conventions and treaties do not say "persons who write for the wrong groups or in the wrong countries do not have any statutory copyright." Any living person gains copyright automatically no matter where he produces the material. For example, DPRK is a signatory to the Berne Convention as of 2003. http://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ38a.pdf is clear. And the argument that a bilateral treaty is needed is marginal - as long as the work is "published" in a country with a US treaty within 30 days of its original publication (it is remarkably unclear as to whether videos are "published" in the country where the server is located), then it has US copyright protection. ISIS is not a nation with treaties, any more than (say) any non-government has "treaties" with anyone. Best course is as Mr. Wales states - to respect copyright and intellectual property rights no matter what. Collect (talk) 13:26, 2 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Happy Public Domain Day!

Logo Public Domain Day
Logo Public Domain Day


On January 1 we celebrate Public Domain Day as many works of authors who died 70+ years ago now enter the public domain and can be used freely.

Let us be aware: copyright is temporary. It only lasts during the authors lifetime and 70 years afterwards (in most countries). During those years it is limiting Wikipedia and her sister projects in showing works of art, literature, public art and buildings in countries without freedom of panorama, and more in the articles. But now a new batch is freed from copyrights!

An overview of images and texts that are restored or added to the Wikimedia Commons, are collected on: this page.

Many of these files still need a place in articles. You can help!

You can also help by uploading new files of subjects that are freed of copyrights.
You can also help by tagging all requests for deletion pages with the category when the file can be restored, which will be/was deleted.

As I follow the log of restored files this week, more images and texts will follow. If still files or texts are missing in the list, let me know or add them yourselves.

A very happy Public Domain Day! Romaine (talk) 11:53, 2 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]


  • Some of the freed files:

Yuribey Bridge images

The article Yuribey Bridge include a claim that "Photos can be shown only on Russian Wikipedia, because of Russian law.". This seems dubious; can anyone explain, or refute, that please? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:18, 2 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Pinging BIL who added that line in 2013. BethNaught (talk) 13:34, 2 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
It is written in the info for the photo which is shown in the corresponding Russian article (which I wanted to have in the English article): ru:Файл:Мост через Юрибей.JPG. The text in the copyright box translates (by google translate) to: "This file is not free (does not meet the definition of free cultural works). In accordance with the decision of the Wikimedia Foundation, it can be used in the Russian section of the Wikipedia articles only in accordance with the criteria of fair use. Any other use (such as in the Russian section of Wikipedia, and outside it) can be a violation of copyright." Russia does not have Freedom of panorama.--BIL (talk) 13:53, 2 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
This file is unfree since the photographer has never released in under the free license, and is uploaded as fair-use. The bridge itself is however free due to freedom of panorama in Russia. Whoever takes their own photo or convinces the author of any photo to release it under CC-BY-SA license, can upload the photo on Commons.--Ymblanter (talk) 13:59, 2 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Russia has FoP for buildings so per Ymblanter I am removing the sentence from the article. BethNaught (talk) 14:06, 2 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
So there is no reason that the photo on ru.Wikipedia could not be used on the article on this project, under fair use? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:28, 2 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
AFAICT the bridge is still standing, so use here would fail the replaceability test? BethNaught (talk) 14:31, 2 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
(ec) It would be difficult to justify that we need a fair-ise photo of a free object, but if one can write a convincing fair use rationale, why not?--Ymblanter (talk) 14:32, 2 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

RfC notice: transhumanist politics

There is a Request for Comment at the Talk page for transhumanist politics. The Transhumanist Party recently finished an American bus tour – should it be mentioned in the "History" section of the article? –Haptic-feedback (talk) 07:00, 3 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hello. Is there an easy way to archive the external links of an article? I used to do this by hand, one by one. But it takes time. Xaris333 (talk) 06:49, 4 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

You can use a JSON query, for example on random page Groundscraper, enter this URL to query all the external links. — xaosflux Talk 19:15, 4 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Xaris333: — xaosflux Talk 19:16, 4 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Pałapus

I m not native speaker of English but i created few days ago new article, Pałapus. I am not able/i cannot insert coordinates into infobox can you help me? Prywaciarz101 (talk) 12:41, 4 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

 Done, @Prywaciarz101: pls check them and adjust if needed.--Ymblanter (talk) 13:18, 4 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Request for comment notice: ExxonMobil among most vocal climate change deniers

You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:ExxonMobil#Request for comment: ExxonMobil among most vocal climate change deniers. Thanks. Hugh (talk) 21:14, 5 January 2016 (UTC)Template:Z48[reply]

RfC notice: Nations and intelligence

Please comment on Talk:Nations_and_intelligence#rfc:_Lead_section. --The Master (talk) 03:44, 6 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Criticism articles + Praise articles = Reception articles

The project has three core content policies one of which is NPOV, the policy which is briefly explained as such: "All Wikipedia articles and other encyclopedic content must be written from a neutral point of view, representing significant views fairly, proportionately and without bias." Looking into criticism type articles, one will find that those articles are not written from a neutral point of view because not all significant views are presented "fairly, proportionately and without bias." Yes, there are some notable views from notable figures, but they are not the whole story. To fix this problem I propose to act based on Wikipedia:Criticism and avoid having separate articles on criticisms besides having no stand alone article on 'praise'. Instead, we may create articles entitled ' Reception of X '. This way, we can gather all the viewpoints and there's a chance to have a 'balanced' and 'neutral' article. Mhhossein (talk) 13:11, 6 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

This had come long ago, but keep in mind the term "criticism" is not necessarily meaning negative criticism but of any type. Criticism can be positive. Also, we can't force a false balance. If X is only negatively criticized by RS, we cant force positive criticism into the article, though we can include counterpoints to existing criticism. --MASEM (t) 13:28, 6 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
MASEM: I think, criticism is mainly done to express the negative points. So, I would say 'positive judgement' instead of ' positive criticism'. Personally, I've never seen a positive criticism but have encountered constructive ones! Some rare cases are only negatively/positively criticized, assuming the existence of 'positive criticism'. Per WP:NPOV we have to balance the articles using the RS which is another way of saying: "...though we can include counterpoints to existing criticism." Having the above definitions, the articles containing both positive and negative points would better not be called 'criticism of X or Y'. Mhhossein (talk) 19:33, 6 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Just as some points of reference, previous discussions are here: [1], [2], [3], and [4]. --MASEM (t) 21:45, 6 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
To follow on , I do want to point out these discussions were mainly about the titling, not content. What I do want to be clear is that because of NPOV/UNDUE, if all of the secondary commentary/criticism is of a negative type, and there does not exist a usable RS to give a positive stance, we can't change that the tone of such an article is going to be negative. So just changing "Criticism of X" to "Reception of X" is not suddenly going to change the balance that didn't exist before. And "reception" is not always the best wording here. I do agree that if the RSes have more balance of positive and negative reactions, maybe "Criticism" isn't the best word but it is appropriate if the reactions are mostly negative. --MASEM (t) 21:54, 6 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Wikimania 2016: call for proposals extended

Dear Wikimedians,
the deadline for the call for proposals for Wikimania 2016 has been moved on 17th January 2016, so you have 10 days to submit you proposal(s). To submit a presentation, please refer to the Submissions page on the Wikimania 2016 website. --Yiyi (Dimmi!) 09:48, 7 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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