Talk:Eva Perón

Nearly half of the citations are from the same source

"Fraser and Navarro" are cited thirty-odd times, and a lot of the article is cited with their work and no other citations. Even if they are a reliable source, other sources should be brought in, especially because of the sensitivity of the subject matter. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.237.251.57 (talk) 00:51, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

I know. Isn't it great that most of the quotes in the article come from the best, most objective, most well researched, and balanced biography on Eva Peron? And isn't it great that there are so many other references from other books and articles and websites as well? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.134.128.76 (talk) 18:06, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

What a joke! Reading that source it appears to me that Frazer and Navarro are describing a different country rather than the one I lived in during the whole period described. Discrepant articles are deleted from the text and references by its gate-keeper. See his YouTube clip69.9.27.73 (talk) 04:31, 16 March 20p13 (UTC)

That's because this is a researched work by historians, not the extremely biased view of someone who grew up in Argentina in an anti-Peronist family where people probably took the most outlandish hearsay about Eva Peron seriously. Julie M. Taylor writes in the book "Eva Peron: The Myths of a Woman" [1] that some of what the anti-Peronists believed about Evita was so outrageous that she couldn't believe they were repeating them to her with a straight face. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 140.211.119.178 (talk) 03:48, 19 October 2013 (UTC)

Regarding the original statement in this section: the sad reality is that there aren't many biographies about Eva Peron to begin with, and the book "Evita: The Real Life of Eva Peron" [2] is the only biography of Eva Peron written by a historian. Juan Peron is the one who has received more attention in academia and political science, whereas his more famous wife has usually been relegated to portrayals in popular culture. If you want a lot of other biographies of Eva Peron cited in this article, then please dig up the yellow journalism like "Evita: Sinner or Saint?" [3] and The Woman with the Whip. But such books are unintentionally hilarious. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 140.211.119.178 (talk) 03:53, 19 October 2013 (UTC)

OR?

The following is unsourced and over-emotive in phrasing etc. I'm assuming that it was not present when the article got GA status. Can it be fixed?

At the time of Perón's imprisonment, Eva was still merely an actress. She had no political clout with the various labor unions that supported Perón, and it is claimed that she was not well-liked within Perón's inner circle, nor was she liked by many within the film and radio business at this point. When Juan Perón was imprisoned, Eva Duarte was suddenly disenfranchised. In reality, the massive rally that freed Perón from prison was organized by the various unions, such as General Labor Confederation, or CGT as they came to be known. To this day, the date of 17 October is something of a holiday for the Justicialist Party in Argentina (celebrated as Día de la Lealtad, or "Loyalty Day"). What would follow was shocking and nearly unheard of. The well connected and politically rising star, Juan Peron, actually married Eva. Despite Eva's childhood illegitimacy, and having an uncertain reputation, Peron was in love with Eva, and her loyal devotion to him even while he had been under arrest touched him deeply, and so he married her, providing a respectability she had never known. Eva and Juan were married discreetly in a civil ceremony in Junín on 18 October 1945 and in a church wedding on 9 December 1945.

Many of the adjectives need to go, as does much of the commentary. The grammar is wrong in places and statements such as "it is claimed" are simply not acceptable without a source. It is pointless me fiddling with it unless there is a source to work off. - Sitush (talk) 15:12, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

I was the primary editor at the time that the GA status was granted, and, no, this isn't how it appeared at the time the status was granted. Such is Wikipedia; anyone can edit it. This section is now a mess. However, with regard to it being "emotive," that's inevitable given that she is one of the most emotional figures in Latin American history. She's kind of a Latin American version of Marilyn Monroe, Princess Diana, and Mother Teresa, rolled into one. If that sounds confusing and unlikely, well, welcome to the world of Evita! (Seriously. Some people have claimed that she is such an emotional and mythologized figure that it is impossible to be objective about her or to know her true story.) Andrew Parodi (talk) 11:30, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

English-speaking nations misunderstood Argentina's response

biographer Robert D. Crassweller claims that the English-speaking nations of North America and Europe largely misunderstood Argentina's response to the death of Perón as well as the ornate funeral she was granted

It's unclear what's meant by this. How did they misunderstand it, and how did their understanding differ from the reality? Omc (talk) 15:42, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

Crassweller was referring to the different cultural responses to death. He argues that the "reality" was that Argentines were truly mourning the loss, to an unprecedented extent, an extent unknown to English speaking nations. Latin American cultures, particularly during the era when Evita died, are simply more emotive in their public mourning than Anglo Saxon nations tend to be. The Anglo Saxon nations at the time of Evita's death didn't understand how loved she was by the people of Argentina, and the style of mourning was unprecedented by Anglo Saxon standards, and so the Anglo Saxon nations interpreted that the masses were not truly mourning Evita due to their love for her, but were rather responding to the manipulative propaganda of Juan Peron. I hope this helps. (It wasn't until the death of Princess Diana, a figure sometimes compared to Evita, that the UK saw public mourning to the scale of how the Argentines mourned Evita. And the public mourning of Princess Diana also left the establishment dumbfounded; this is the plot of the movie The Queen (film).) Andrew Parodi (talk) 11:19, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

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The result of the move request was: Withdrawn. Shhhhwwww!! (talk) 00:42, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

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• Eva Perón → Evita
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– WP:PRIMARYTOPIC and WP:COMMONNAME. Most topics listed in Evita is about Eva Perón. Shhhhwwww!! (talk) 14:39, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

• Oppose per WP:AT – The proposed title is not in the encyclopaedic register, and is too vague. "Evita" can refer to many other things, currently listed at that page. RGloucester — ☎ 18:03, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
• Oppose. Per WP:NCP. DrKiernan (talk) 18:39, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
• Oppose per being an encyclopedia not a pop blog. In ictu oculi (talk) 01:49, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
• Oppose – seems too informal in tone. —BarrelProof (talk) 20:28, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
• Oppose, per all of the above. Don't cry for me, Wikipedia. Randy Kryn 12:58, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

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Fascism

The section on "Allegations of fascism" is important. However it falls short of the required encyclopaedic standard. Allegations that she was a fascist are quoted, but no objective academic or historical analysis given. It seems to me that she was a fascist, as her husband and party were fascist. There wasn't much difference politically between the Peron's and Mussolini, or Franco.101.98.74.13 (talk) 18:08, 21 March 2016 (UTC)