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December 2019

Please stop your disruptive behaviour. It appears you are purposefully harassing another editor. Wikipedia aims to provide a safe environment for its collaborators, and harassing other users potentially compromises that safe environment. If you continue behaving like this, you may be blocked from editing. MyankMyank (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 17:40, 20 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

A belated welcome!

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In future, when you are uploading a new version of the same file, like this one File:Malgudi Days, TV series, DVD cover.jpg, you do it there it self. Instead of creating a new file. Makes things simpler. Thanks! --Ekabhishektalk 03:57, 4 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you

For updating this [1] Best Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 00:38, 3 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Rollback at Otello Corporation

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Unique username

I just used it randomly as a joke. A combination of numbers and letters that are difficult to read.--3E1I5S8B9RF7 (talk) 17:57, 22 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Chhota Rajan Infobox

Can you please check Template:Infobox criminal and fill up the prison status , location etc details as described in the template. thank you. --DBigXray 21:48, 24 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • Thanks, that is good for now, It is not expected to fill all the fields. there are far too many of them. we should only try to fill to importnatn onces and valid ones. it is helpful now. --DBigXray 09:45, 25 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Disambiguation pages

Hello, Gotitbro. When you moved Asianet to a new title and then changed the old title into a disambiguation page, you may not have been aware of WP:FIXDABLINKS, which says:

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Before moving an article to a qualified name (in order to create a disambiguation page at the base name, to move an existing disambiguation page to that name, or to redirect that name to a disambiguation page), click on What links here to find all of the incoming links. Repair all of those incoming links to use the new article name.

It would be a great help if you would check the other Wikipedia articles that contain links to "Asianet" and fix them to take readers to the correct article. Thanks. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 10:30, 25 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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@SshibumXZ: I see the issue with capitalization but then the page should have been moved to "District courts of India", as all references in the article state it, not to District courts in India. I am going to move the page to District courts of India, if there any issues let me know. Gotitbro (talk) 14:54, 6 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Undid revision 867509345 (Nuclear Triad page)

Hi !

Thanks for going through my edits on the article on Nuclear Triads. I have various independent sources (not wiki articles) that confirm that Pakistan successfully tested SLCM Babur III in January 2017. The test was conducted in the Arabian sea by the Pakistan Navy and SPD, and the press release includes footage of the cruise missile during it's launch and flight over sea and land.

Regarding referencing, I understand I am rather new to referencing on wiki pages, therefore i'll try to double check and correct mistakes where they exist. Please let me know if you have any pointers.

Please see the following articles related to this matter:

Press release tweet with missile launch footage (ISPR Press Release)

Articles (Article 1)

News and media (Dawn, The Diplomat) — Preceding unsigned comment added by AAG Baron (talk • contribs) 00:55, 7 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@AAG Baron: Yes, its correct that Pakistan tested the underwater nuclear missile Babur 3 but it still hasn't been tested from a submarine, it was launched from "an underwater, mobile platform" (per the tandfonline.com source), which is what qualifies as a nuclear triad. From the T&F source:

Once it becomes operational, the Babur-3 will provide Pakistan with a triad of nuclear strike platforms from ground, air, and sea. The Pakistani government said the Babur-3 was motivated by a need to match India’s nuclear triad and the “nuclearization of [the] Indian Ocean Region”.

The missile isn't even operational as of now. ISPR press release is not to be used per WP:PRIMARY, Dawn is just a rehash of the press release, The Diplomat is good. Also see what has been mentioned on the Babur missile article itself:
"On 9 January 2017, Pakistan conducted a successful launch of the Babur III missile from an underwater mobile platform. The Babur-III has a range of 450 km and can be used as a second-strike capability. It has been speculated that the missile is ultimately designed to be incorporated with the Agosta 90B class submarine which has been reported to have been modified. However no such tests have been carried out yet."
I'd recommend not adding the PK section in the Nuclear triad article as of now, if you want add it under the "Suspected triad powers" in the article and tweak the text to say that Pakistan is still developing its program. I see that you undid mine and another editor's reverts without providing a valid reason, this is not considered good and you should always discuss such changes rather than reverting multiple editors. I have undone your edits for now, let me know of there are any other concerns. Gotitbro (talk) 01:20, 7 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I believe the evidence is sufficient as for the successful tests of the SLCM Babur III, as for operational deployment, surely those details are not always sent out as press releases and can not be easily verified. I disagree regarding putting the edits under "suspected nuclear triads", there's far more evidence to support nuclear triad capability than lets say Israel (or previous triads, e.g. France). I reverted your edits because I was making changes to improve citations. I hope you understand, and take a few minutes before the changes are updated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AAG Baron (talk • contribs) 01:29, 7 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The Kashmir footnotes

Hi Gotitbro, I am responding here to your comment at the Pakistan-adminstered Kashmir AfD, because there is too much noise there already. Frankly speaking that footnote is needed only for the AJK article because "Azad Kashmir" is a loaded POV term in India and Indian editors would come and change it to POK. But the pro-Pakistan editors insisted on a reciprocal footnote on Jammu and Kashmir as well, and so I acquiesced. The Gilgit-Baltistan page does not have any of these problems. It is a purely geographical name and has no POV's attached to it. So I am not sure what footnote to put there. Pinging DBigXray as well. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 22:30, 10 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

That footnote to me spoke out as to what others are calling the respective regions. While the AJK lead mentions that both it and GB are referred to as Pakistan-administered Kashmir no such thing is there on the GB article. A simple mention of this and preferably even (obviously reworked) a note would be great for users who land on the pages via the different terms. Gotitbro (talk) 22:47, 10 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Sajjad Kishwar

Just a friendly heads up on Sajjad Kishwar. I declined your speedy deletion request -- if you look at the sources, one is for a lifetime achievement award, which is definitely a good faith claim of importance. ----Fabrictramp | talk to me 20:34, 18 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Fabrictramp: I see, I only marked the page as I could not find anything about the individual elsewhere. Not sure how notable the award is but even the linked article just makes a passing on the individual. Gotitbro (talk) 21:00, 18 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
That would definitely be a reason to request deletion via PROD or AfD. Avoiding speedy is a lower standard -- A7 is meant to quickly delete articles like "Prof Jones is an Adjunct Professor at Podunk College who wrote an article once." Cheers! ----Fabrictramp | talk to me 22:51, 18 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]


Need to create a page for Koyal.pk (An official Music Platform like taazi and Patari)

Hello, This is mr afshaan memon from the Koyal.pk. Short details:

Koyal.pk is an Pakistani music streaming service. It was launched in 2018. The entire Pakistani Sindhi, pashto, balochi and Urdu music catalog is available to users in all over Pakistan. Koyal.pk features music from 7 languages including the major languages such as Urdu, Punjabi, Saraiki, Sindhi, Pashto, Balochi, Hindko and other Pakistani regional languages.

As i can't create it my self so please need your help kindly create if you need any sort of information and data you can ask.

Thanks Afshaan Memon Koyal.pk — Preceding unsigned comment added by Koyal.pk (talk • contribs) 17:29, 29 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Deletion of reliable content from Indian state articles

Why are you deleting reliable govt. sourced content from articles like Uttar Pradesh and Bihar? Different Indian Govt. sources group states into different regions that need to be highlighted in the article. The regional terms like North India or East India are not mentioned in the article bodies either. If you want, different govt. definitions can be added in the article body and then highlighted in the lead. Check Germany which mentions it being part of "Central and Western Europe". Lead fixation can be corrected as well. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 07:10, 19 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Fylindfotberserk: We don't use government definitions for geographic places, only widely accepted ones are used and placing administrative territories in multiple regions is generally avoided. For Bihar, the general definition is that it is in eastern India as can be seen from Bihar at the Encyclopædia Britannica, for Uttar Pradesh as well it is generally accepted as a northern state ("Uttar Pradesh". Lexico UK English Dictionary. Oxford University Press. n.d.). The WP:STATUSQUO for a long time has been the same and I don't see anything that has changed. Gotitbro (talk) 07:21, 19 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
States are government defined not geographic so I believe they need to highlight govt. definitions. Secondly, why should we rely on Britannica and Oxford for definitions only. Check Germany, lede mentions it to be: ...is a country in Central and Western Europe while Germany at the Encyclopædia Britannica mentions it in "north-central europe". And thirdly, is there a consensus regarding how a Political region be defined? - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 07:30, 19 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Fylindfotberserk: As I said multiple regional locators such as those added by you and an editor before are avoided as confusing and unclear, Germany might as well be a exception here. It makes no sense to list a state as "north, north-central, eastern etc." all in one go which renders it completely meaningless and confusing. There is a reason the articles described the locations of the states as are definitively accepted. We'll follow the STATUSQUO here and the widely/generally accepted definitions as such. Gotitbro (talk) 07:37, 19 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Why would Germany be an exception. Obviously its geo-political position has been discussed heavily in Wikipedia. I agree that "north, north-central, eastern etc." looks confusing and can be cleaned but Germany being part of "Central and Western Europe" is just as confusing. The thing is, a lot of states do not fall in a specific region. Do you think Uttar Pradesh is absolutely Northern Indian, obviously it has a big chunk in Central part of India. And you didn't explain why we should follow "Britannica" like a sheep. European country articles do not follow it as it is. Sorry I'm not convinced. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 08:04, 19 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Well then it should be discussed at the article of Germany. States might not a fall in a "specific" region but we aren't going to list a myriad zones in the lead. The generally accepted definitions were used before and Britannica is definitely a useful guideline, pointing to any resource does not mean being a sheep. The precedent and STATUSQUO has been clear for a long time, don't see anything that's changed since and needs convincing. Gotitbro (talk) 08:10, 19 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
You didn't provide a concensus or rule regarding this. And why should we consider only Britannica? Doesn't make any sense since European articles do not copy paste from those sites. I agree that multiple regions mentioned might be confusing but we can correct those by mentioning which govt. sources are grouping the states within which zone. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 09:36, 19 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The WP:LEAD has to be straightforward and uncomplicated, by mentioning multiple zones/regions add on top of that mentioning govt. sources is the opposite of that. Moreover the govt. zones shouldn't be used to describe the location of the states especially when their location is widely described otherwise [also the government zones are for administrative purposes which do not consider the situation of places]. Britannica isn't the only source but it is definitely a guideline and has been used as the basis of a lot of articles on Wikipedia. What you're suggesting is just confusing and simply unencyclopedic. Gotitbro (talk) 09:46, 19 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

What about removing the geographical identifier altogether. We can write it as "Uttar Pradesh is a state in the Upper and Middle Gangetic plains of India, etc, etc". That would be succinct enough. I saw a lot of articles where this has been done. I find the "northern India" confusing since if you see the geography neutrally, you'll find that UP is into central India as well. I don't think 2 sentences Britannica should have that much priority. Nonetheless, Britannica also mentions Uttar Pradesh as multiple regional "north-central India". And about the Bhojpuri region? The one in UP is northern Indian region and neighboring one in in Bihar be is eastern Indian? Kinda absurd don't you think? For identifying a state geographically, you need a geographic source not Britannica. I agree with some of the things you say but not all. I agree that mentioning multiple regions in the opening sentence doesn't look good but they are needed. If not in the first few sentences, then in the latter part of the lead. See Spain. And you want, that can be added into the article body as well. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 10:29, 19 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
That is confusing as well, not everyone what the Gangetic plains are etc. While descriptors such as north-central etc. might be kind of acceptable they aren't applicable here as again these aren't accepted widely. The two sentences of Britannica do hold weight because if we go completely technical on geographic basis we'll be straying away from writing for an encyclopedia. Mentioning multiple regions in the lead is definitely not needed and adding a few supporting in the body isn't helpful wither. In the end fact of the matter is, UP is considered a northern state regardless of that it borders Bihar and similarly for other states. Being pedantic and adding a multitude of regions for technicality isn't going to help the WP:READER. Gotitbro (talk) 10:46, 19 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
"Northern" is confusing and vague as hell. A neutral Non-South Asian will definitely think that Uttar Pradesh is not the same as Punjab or Kashmir location wise if he compares it in an Atlas. Gangetic plains or Ganges river is much more specific. And Indian govt. definitions for an Indian state is far from trivial information. I'm flexible enough to agree to some of your concerns but you are getting too much rigid with your POV using Britannica and Oxford dictionaries as supports. Even Great Britain article doesn't have a single reference to Encyclopedia Britannica. And what's this "accepted widely"? By Britannica? You don't seem to accept Britannica's definition of Uttar Pradesh as "north-central" either. Your definition that UP is "northern Indian" is unsourced. Secondly, Britannica is not considered much reliable and is only suitable when there's no source supporting a specific topic. See Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_115#Is_Encyclopedia_Britannica_a_reliable_source.- Fylindfotberserk (talk) 13:42, 19 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The govt. sources used for zonal arrangements are definitely trivial and best ignored. I don't see anything related to POV in here, simply restoring the STATUSQUO before this multiple region conundrum is clearly not that. UP is clearly a northern state and was thus as such in the article from the beginning, I don't see any reason to unnecessarily table sources for this. [Though descriptions such as "north-central" are better than "northern, north-central, eastern" etc.] The location of Bihar can be discussed, its also best done at its Talk page. Yes, Britannica is tertiary but its definitely WP:RS and has served as the basis for many articles on Wikipedia even the ones being discussed now; so it definitely serves as guideline to follow for encyclopedic articles. Also look at the GA version of the article for Uttar Pradesh. Gotitbro (talk) 14:06, 19 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Since it is a Govt. sources versus "widely accepted" Britannica sources, it is better to have the centralized discussion. I moved it to WP:IN. Check it. I forgot to mention it. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 14:21, 19 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Fylindfotberserk: I somehow got notified of it, but thanks for letting me know. I'd like to clarify that I meant widely accepted not just for Britannica but generally. Gotitbro (talk) 14:27, 19 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Misleading summaries

Stop using misleading edit summaries like you are currently doing. The earlier revert was perfectly explained and since you can't even understand WP:TERRORIST per your exlpanation that "refs does not fall under LABEL; the description can be discussed on Talk" then you need to better stop editing these articles. 39.42.106.141 (talk) 18:12, 30 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@39.42.106.141: Please tone down that WIKILAWYERING. You have removed references and legitimate content from the article which does not fall under LABEL or TERRORIST. If you have a problem with a specific descriptor change the word to something more neutral like militant but removing content under such WP:ES is not done. You are the one who is using "misleading" edit summaries. Gotitbro (talk) 20:44, 30 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Gotitbro, this is your second reminder that Khalistan Commando Force is under an Arbcom 1RR discretionary sanction (the first reminder is the editnotice displayed before you edit). Please undo your most recent revert, and discuss the content matter on the article's talk page. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 23:19, 30 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Ivanvector: I see. I have tried to address the concerns in subsequent edits and have explained it on the Talk page. Thanks. Gotitbro (talk) 23:32, 30 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I understand, and I appreciate your efforts to discuss the situation. However, consensus has not been established, and you have reverted twice in violation of the restriction. If we don't enforce the restrictions as written then they become meaningless - if I don't follow up on you breaking the restriction then anyone else has a good reason to expect that they can revert multiple times too. So I have to ask you one more time, in good faith, to please undo your edit. I am dealing with the IP separately. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 23:51, 30 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Okay I have done so. I think my subsequent were useful hopefully they can help. Thank you. Gotitbro (talk) 00:00, 31 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Gotitbro appreciate your contributions and the fact that you agreed to self revert after being requested. Ivanvector as you can see on the talk page, the person behind this IP and Harmanprtjhj who are clearly only interested in whitewashing this page are not even responding to the talk page concerns or engaging in a fruitful conversation. WP:LABEL (which is a guideline and not a policy) doesn't really ban the use of the word terrorist, but these users believe it does and are actively enforcing this imaginary ban. --DBigXrayᗙ 05:46, 31 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Maharashtra state - central and south

Hello.Can we continue discussion on https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Noticeboard_for_India-related_topics#Deletion_of_reliable_content_from_Indian_state_articles Many states such as Karnataka, Kerala, Andhra, Telangana are written with more than one region. For example Telangana is mentioned as centre-south part. So in the same way why cannot we write for Maharashtra south, centre and west? Many sources are writing it is also stretching in south and centre regions in India. Can we continue the discussion on that page? BelgaumGoan (talk) 00:22, 26 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@BelgaumGoan: I have already said what I wanted to regarding that there and don't want to get involved in the dispute further. Maybe other editors can help, hope you understand. Gotitbro (talk) 01:07, 26 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Gotitbro: I added talk here because I think you were original person who changed those edits and argued for it. So who else can I discuss with? Do you think it is wrong to add central and southern, to describe it in more detail? BelgaumGoan (talk) 04:27, 30 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@BelgaumGoan: From what I can see in the discussion on the discussion board, the general opinion seems to be to leave the regions as they were before the recent edits, i.e., not including multiple regions in the lead like in Maharashtra and Uttar Pradesh. So I would recommend not changing the lead. Gotitbro (talk) 07:26, 30 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Gotitbro: Then why are multiple regions mentioned for all South states? Telangana was called centre south, Karnataka and Kerala is called south west and Andhra Pradesh is south east. None of them are mentioned by Britannica definition. I am wondering why that double standard?? BelgaumGoan (talk) 13:15, 30 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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You do not provide substantial or reliable source to confirm that Naya Raipur/atal nagar which is scarcely populated and not dignified as a city by the state government, would be future capital wiki123 (talk) 16:45, 24 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
You remove a reliable source then say there is none. Please stop this edit warring. Gotitbro (talk) 03:55, 26 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Reverting

(Hi. Me again.) You seem to be using the same edit summary, "rvt vand by IP", over and over again, in cases where that doesn't seem to adequately describe your changes. For example, how can this change possibly be considered reverting vandalism? In several other cases that I checked, I could not determine which edit(s) you were "reverting". So, for the benefit of other editors, could you please clearly specify which change(s) from the past you are undoing when you use (a form of) the word "revert" (unless you are undoing the last change(s) prior to yours, in which case that should be sufficiently clear to everyone)? This can be done by specifying a name and date of an edit, a revision number, or by using the semi-automated "undo" feature. And please try not to describe innocuous changes as "vandalism". Thanks. - dcljr (talk) 01:36, 7 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Dcljr: Sorry, I meant to link the edits I was reverting in the edit summary but somehow forgot to do so. I came across many disruptive edits from the same IP range (2601:CB:8200.* / 2601:CB:*) Pakistani POVPUSHING on multiple articles. It is most likely the same user and had been warned on multiple IPs and even blocked on one too. I will make sure to clearly mark the edits I am reverting in the future. Gotitbro (talk) 01:47, 7 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Dawn Media Group article has misinformation in introduction

Hi Gotitbro. I have noticed that you have previously taken an interest in the Dawn Media Group Wikipedia page. I would like to point out that the page has quite a lot of outdated/ false information on it. Probably the most egregious error is in the page's introduction section, something that I have already pointed out on the talk page:

The second paragraph of the introduction states, "The group is headed by the Pakistani media mogul Hameed Haroon, its current CEO. His son, Masood Hameed Haroon, was found dead in his car by the police in Karachi in 2015." This is erroneous on two counts:

1) The person found dead by police in Karachi in 2015 was Masood Hamid (not Masood Hameed Haroon, as the article states).

2) Masood Hamid was a Director at the Dawn Media Group at the time of his death, but he was not related to the CEO, Hameed Haroon. The article states that he was Hameed Haroon's son, which is false.

More information on the demise of Masood Hamid, and his role in the Dawn Media Group, can be found here: https://www.dawn.com/news/1176553

I would be grateful if this could be corrected. It has been online for at least six months and is a demonstrable falsehood. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.163.104.235 (talk) 06:22, 9 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Wikipedia:No Nazis is the guidance you were after. Hope that helps, Cabayi (talk) 11:51, 29 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Request reason:

I realize I should have been more cognizant of my own edit warring while reporting an IP for it. I will make sure to not abuse the revert in the future like this. I also did not realize I violated 3RR as I thought it was violated when you made "more" than three reverts. I will take note of this as well. I do not plan to engage in any edit wars on the problematic article. Please consider my unblock request as it is the first transgression I have made and do not want to do this again.Gotitbro (talk) 17:12, 23 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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I count four reverts: one, two, three, four. El_C 21:24, 23 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@El C: I absolutely did not realize that and do not want to engage as such further. Please do consider the rest of what I've written in the unblock request as well. Thank you. Gotitbro (talk) 02:12, 24 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Disambiguation links

Please stop linking to disambiguation pages. The first couple of times you did it could be regarded as understandable mistakes, but after the number of times you have received notifications about it, continuing to do the same is serious carelessness. JBW (talk) Formerly known as JamesBWatson 21:16, 23 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@JBW: I am not sure I understand. I don't remember leaving any disamb links any time soon. Maybe you mistook me for someone else. Gotitbro (talk) 02:18, 24 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
When you get a notification like User talk:Gotitbro#Disambiguation link notification for October 6, go back and check your edit - it means you have a wikilink to a disambiguation page. Even if it's unintentional (reverting a problematic edit), you should still fix it. It may be easier if you change your preferences. Lessee... In preferences, under "gadgets" down the page to "Appearance", about 5th from the bottom of that section, you can see "Display links to disambiguation pages in orange". Check that, then go back to the Assam page and see the orange link to Nepali that shows up under the Assam#Education section. Regards, Tarl N. (discuss) 03:42, 24 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Postscript - it's been fixed since, but it shows up when looking at the diff. Tarl N. (discuss) 03:45, 24 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Tarl N.: Oh, I see thanks for that. Not sure why I would need to be specifically objected about that @JBW: though, I am only human and oversight can occur. Most of the times I have fixed the disamb links (after being notified) anyway. Gotitbro (talk) 04:33, 24 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
You should not be correcting disambiguation links "after being notified": you should not create disambiguation links in the first place. Notifications about disambiguation links are mainly for new editors who don't yet know about them, but you have received bot notifications about them 10 times, beginning in May 2018, so you clearly know about them. It's perfectly simple: never add a link to an article unless you know what you are linking to, and if you know it's a disambiguation page then don't link to it. JBW (talk) Formerly known as JamesBWatson 16:15, 25 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@JBW: Alright, I'll keep that in mind. I didn't realize the function of the notifications, thanks for letting me know. Gotitbro (talk) 16:18, 25 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

WP APO

Sorry, I realise I might not have been explicit enough. Articles about personal names (which frequently list people with the name) are not disambiguation pages, but anthroponymy pages (the corresponding wikiproject is WP:APO). Anthroponymy pages serve a different set of purposes and follow different style guidelines compared with dab pages. – Uanfala (talk) 15:25, 8 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Uanfala: As I said the scripts are not doing any good on the name list page. While WP:INDICSCRIPTS policy may not exactly apple to such a page, the point about script cluttering,which eventually happens, stands. Hence, the I see it best to rmeove the scripts since other pages on Indian names don't have them as well. Gotitbro (talk) 15:29, 8 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Articles about topics associated with a language other than English typically have the name of that topic in the relevant languages, see MOS:FORLANG. This is especially relevant for anthroponymy articles, as these are primarily articles about words, so it's rather odd to hear that including the spellings of those words "does not do any good". Any name article that's not just a single sentence will typically have them (see a random sample: Irina, Ahmed, Sunil). And frankly, for all those years, this is the first time I'm seeing someone object to their use. If you still disagree with their inclusion, I urge you to propose your view at WT:APO. Thanks! – Uanfala (talk) 15:38, 8 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Uanfala: I was just acting in good faith and removing the scripts which I believed were unnecessary as the name isn't specific to the scripts/languages added (moving us into script cluttering, see point above) and I still don't see their purpose, the better to thing to do would be just add a pronunciation or transliteration. Gotitbro (talk) 15:48, 8 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Well, there was a transliteration there, but you removed that as well. Yes, Devanagari isn't the only script that is relevant to the name, but it's the de facto standard for names of Sanskrit origin, and it's the most widespread of Indic scripts, and so should be comprehensible to a large segment of wikipedia's audience (which probably includes a lot of people who aren't familiar with the transliteration schemes in use). 15:54, 8 November 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Uanfala (talk • contribs)
@Uanfala: I have tried to better use the script for Sanskrit, see edit. You are right about the Sanskrit Devanagari script use, but then the use should be made explicit, the problem arises when specific modern languages are added, Hindi/Urdu etc. (leading to the script cluttering issue). Gotitbro (talk) 16:14, 8 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

kalapani territory

Hello Gotitbro, I am here to discuss you about the revert you made in Kalapani territory. In the revert you made is baised ehich is against wikipedia's policy. So, before doing edit war discuss about it in the talk page.Rawal Bishal (talk) 04:09, 10 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Rawal Bishal: Please do the relevant WP policies, such as WP:POVPUSH before making such egregious comments on User Talk pages. The version I restored was a stable you reverted it without any relevant reason reading POV material to the article. Gotitbro (talk) 04:12, 10 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
   You are welcome to edit in this article but before doing anything you should have references and evidences and you should write the reason why you did it. If you are doing a big edit then describe it in the talk page.Rawal Bishal (talk) 04:17, 10 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
You clearly don't know what is and isn't allowed on Wikipedia, please go read the WP:Five Pillars and specifically WP:NEUTRALITY. Also, I have not added anything to the article I have only reverted WP:POV edits made by you. Gotitbro (talk) 04:20, 10 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]


Hira Devi Waiba

Hi Gotitbro, the changes you made onHira Devi Waiba and Bipul Chettri is not valid. You have removed category 'Nepalese Folk singer' and everything relating to 'Nepali' and 'Nepalese'. Let me make you aware that there are 2,926,168 Nepali people (Indian Nepali citizens) living and citizens of sovereign India and this populous is referred to as 'Nepalese' too. 'Nepali' 'Nepalese' is not just a citizen of the country Nepal. It is also a language and prefix to other expressions i.e. Nepali song, Nepali movie, Neplai clothes, Nepali food etc. Not all of these have to originate from the country Nepal. To seal the argument further it is not necessary anyone singing an English song has to be from England. One can sing an English song can be categorized as 'English language singer'. Thanks. Tabletop123 (talk) 15:08, 12 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Tabletop123: The categories you are mentioning are for the citizens/nationals of Nepal just because someone speaks the Nepali language does not make them a Nepali/Nepalese citizen. There are other relevant categories for that, like Category:Nepali-language singers, Category:Nepali-language poets, you should use them rather than the ones for Nepali citizens. Gotitbro (talk) 15:13, 12 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Vandalizing?

How Tf is stating the ethnicity of the people who died vandalism. That crowd was more than 95% Punjabi. What justification is there for calling them Indian? Explain it to me. AnonymousFixer (talk) 07:33, 6 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@AnonymousFixer: No WP:RS on the subject lists the dead ethnically, you are just WP:POVPUSHING here. Moreover, your edit summaries which state the term Indian as derogatory is simply vandalism. And keep your language WP:CIVIL on Wikipedia. Gotitbro (talk) 08:59, 6 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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@Kthxbay: Do you even check what you're reverting? I was clearly undoing vandalism by an IP who added "Indian" to the lead. Do not blindly revert anything and then post non-sensical warning templates on user talk pages. Gotitbro (talk) 20:49, 13 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Gotitbro: Oh I just checked. Regret this.Kthxbay (talk) 20:51, 13 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Samosa

Hi, I see that you just reverted an edit from back May in Samosa, but I don't understand why. You didn't leave an edit summary. The edit looks ok to me, it doesn't look like vandalism. Could you please explain the problem? Thanks. --IamNotU (talk) 08:05, 17 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@IamNotU: Just reverting disruptive edits by a block evading IP hopper. The cat isn't correct as well the cuisine is not specific or even inherent to the Muhajir community of Pakistan (migrants from India at the time of partition). Gotitbro (talk) 08:09, 17 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Grid plan

Hi - I, too, am confused about your revert to Grid plan. The info looks well-sourced (haven't checked when it was added, but there have been quite a few edits since). There was some interference in that section by 167.217.31.60 (now blocked), but that was reverted soon afterwards. Can you please ping me with a reply to this? Laterthanyouthink (talk) 01:59, 18 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Laterthanyouthink: The original para referred to the ancient cities of the Indus Valley Civilization (Mohenjo-daro, Harappa) which was later edited to insert cities of an entirely different region and quite later time period [which should not have been on the top of the History section at all]. This was then laced over by a Pakistani POV [unneeded mention of Pakistan, then the addition of the modern city of Islamabad to the section]. Hence, I removed it. Gotitbro (talk) 02:43, 18 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
>haven't checked when it was added
I linked the original POV edit by the IP in my edit summary by the way. Gotitbro (talk) 02:46, 18 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, sorry, I didn't notice the link to the original edit. There does seem to be something worth retaining there though, without mentioning Pakistan and with a decent citation. I might just restore that bit. Thanks for getting back to me. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 03:03, 18 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Unexplained removal

Please stop vandalising sourced information the excuse of blocked users only works for pov or vandalised content your clearly upset with Pakistan being mentioned in ancient terms in distillation but this is not India its Wikipedia where sources matter not blind nationalism which you maybe used to. 31.205.18.37 (talk) 17:57, 20 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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