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::I agree it doesnt need to be from her youth, but this particular image also doesnt look particularly flattering. Surely theres gotta be a picture from the last 20 years where she actually poses for a photo and looks into the camera. [[User:Jonas1015119|jonas]] ([[User talk:Jonas1015119|talk]]) 00:59, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
::I agree it doesnt need to be from her youth, but this particular image also doesnt look particularly flattering. Surely theres gotta be a picture from the last 20 years where she actually poses for a photo and looks into the camera. [[User:Jonas1015119|jonas]] ([[User talk:Jonas1015119|talk]]) 00:59, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
:::I would say waiting a week and starting a discussion giving options of 2 or 3 images is probably best. No reason to rush to it today. [[User:Dennis Brown|<b>Dennis Brown</b>]] - [[User talk:Dennis Brown|<b>2&cent;</b>]] 02:09, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
:::I would say waiting a week and starting a discussion giving options of 2 or 3 images is probably best. No reason to rush to it today. [[User:Dennis Brown|<b>Dennis Brown</b>]] - [[User talk:Dennis Brown|<b>2&cent;</b>]] 02:09, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

== Friendships ==

Why is this section in here? It is irrelevant.

Navigate over to the pages for Lucille Ball, Bea Arthur, etc…you won’t find a section on “Friendships”. [[User:Kristinafh|Kristinafh]] ([[User talk:Kristinafh|talk]]) 02:41, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

Revision as of 02:41, 1 January 2022

Template:Vital article

cause of death should be narrowed down in article, "preliminary reports indicate death by natural causes"

I think its very important because her death will be widely talked about. Qwesar (talk) 21:32, 31 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Last surviving MTM cast member.

There are still a few reoccurring cast members still alive, such as Gordy the Weatherman as portrayed by the iconic John Amos. 173.73.183.99 (talk) 16:01, 23 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Main cast. (CC) Tbhotch™ 19:20, 23 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 31 December 2021

12-31-21 RIP 2601:280:4F00:EBC0:DDA9:5E38:134D:BE9B (talk) 19:13, 31 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: This is not an edit request: the article does mention that she has died. Pupsterlove02 talk • contribs 19:16, 31 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Semi-protection needed as all the Wiki-hounds come out to be the first one to "break the news"... Garchy (talk) 19:21, 31 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I should add, generally protection requests are directed to administrators, the people who can actually protect... Garchy (talk) 19:24, 31 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Died on 30 December

TMZ

i'll say it and shoulder the blame if Im wrong but .... is TMZ a reliable resource? Im skeptical, especially given that just yesterday she was giving an interview with Fox News talking about her upcoming 100th birthday. Thanks, —Soap— 19:23, 31 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Put another way, all reports so far trace back to the TMZ tabloid story.—Soap— 19:24, 31 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I've revert this until we get a source better than TMZ. WP:TMZ says not to use if they are the only source (or in this case, the source everyone else is pointing back to). I strongly recommend not adding it until a more reliable source reports on her death (if it occurreD). --Masem (t) 19:25, 31 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Per WP:TMZ, I'm okay with waiting for a more reliable source before saying she's dead. Prcc27 (talk) 19:29, 31 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed. Only 3 days ago there was an online death hoax for her (see mediamass article by Jessica Smipson which I couldn't link because the site is blacklisted for details on the hoax) and it's plausible TMZ fell for that. DJK (talk) 19:32, 31 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Deadline Hollywood has confirmed with her agent. Now we're good. --Masem (t) 19:33, 31 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Deadline says her agent says she died Thursday night; Dec 30th, not 31st. Schazjmd (talk) 19:37, 31 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Needs to be changed to December 30


Needs to be added she died 30th

WaPo is hedging: "died during the night of Dec. 30-31". Schazjmd (talk) 19:42, 31 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

But aren’t we going with what agent said

It’s been 45 minutes and I saw nothing on NBC or CNN’s websites. They certainly have prewritten articles and want to be early to that punch. Zkidwiki (talk) 19:48, 31 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

CNN has it [1]. There's no doubt at this point. --Masem (t) 19:51, 31 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Roflol of course it happened 48 minutes later. But like… they don’t mention confirming it with primary sources. This reporting is so strange. Zkidwiki (talk) 19:55, 31 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

www.latimes.com/obituaries/story/2021-12-31/betty-white-dead%3f_amp=true

LA Times has reported she died overnight. Turtleshell3 (talk) 20:00, 31 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Well that was weird, hang on.

https://www.latimes.com/obituaries/story/2021-12-31/betty-white-dead Turtleshell3 (talk) 20:02, 31 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sources report she died at 9:30AM EST on December 31st. Bobherry Talk Edits 20:09, 31 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Should say police responded at 9:30am, not that she died at that time.[1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.67.98.161 (talk) 20:20, 31 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 31 December 2021 (2)

Her death date is wrong. It is December 31, 2021. Respect the woman! 47.196.79.171 (talk) 19:47, 31 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Please do not make solely emotional comments. This is an encyclopedia that relies on outside sourcing. No one is disrespecting her, much less when preliminary sources indicate either. Zkidwiki (talk) 19:50, 31 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

 Already done Whatever it had said before, it's correct now. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:05, 31 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox death date

Does not agree with text. Dec 31 173.90.75.20 (talk) 19:59, 31 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

As of at least this edit, the text and infobox show the same date. If there is another disagreement, feel free to mention it with a quote. --Super Goku V (talk) 20:08, 31 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
It was reconciled the same minute I posted. 173.90.75.20 (talk) 20:33, 31 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
No idea what other sources are saying, but Deadline is saying, "White passed peacefully Thursday night at her home, her agent Jeff Witjas confirmed to Deadline." Any other sources saying this that may possibly warrant a change to December 30 death date? Magitroopa (talk) 20:11, 31 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The most trusted sourcing I'm seeing, including Washington Post states that she died overnight (Dec 30-31). A set date has not been provided. Missvain (talk) 20:13, 31 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Variety says, "White is believed to have died Thursday night at her Brentwood home." and The Hollywood Reporter says, "...died overnight Thursday into Friday at her Brentwood home". Magitroopa (talk) 20:13, 31 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I am of the opinion that we need to have an Or in the death date until the matter can be conclusively settled, so I believe a change is warranted. --Super Goku V (talk) 20:17, 31 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Should say police responded at 9:30am, not that she died at that time.[2] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.67.98.161 (talk) 20:19, 31 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I did read a reliable "Friday morning" source, but consensus would be appreciated. Because of that source, I have her listed at 31st on the 2021 om American television page--CreecregofLife (talk) 21:14, 31 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ https://variety.com/2021/tv/news/betty-white-dead-dies-golden-girls-mary-tyler-moore-show-1235145407/
  2. ^ https://variety.com/2021/tv/news/betty-white-dead-dies-golden-girls-mary-tyler-moore-show-1235145407/

Semi-protected edit request on 31 December 2021 (3)

2nd paragraph, last line reads "She is also known"

should say "She was also known" 24.160.125.236 (talk) 20:16, 31 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Elli (talk | contribs) 20:18, 31 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

City of Brentwood

Check the link to the city of death. There are 2 cities by the name of Brentwood in California. 67.161.54.219 (talk) 20:22, 31 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Brentwood is a neighborhood in Los Angeles, where White lived. The other Brentwood is a nondescript town in northern California. The article should just say Los Angeles in the infobox, as that's the city. Moncrief (talk) 20:35, 31 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Knocking on TMZ

At least with celebrity deaths, TMZ has been very reliable. They were the very first organization to report Betty's death.

They're usually the first ones to report a celebrity's death before any other organization. They continue to post updated information on Betty's death too. 73.65.212.57 (talk) 20:23, 31 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The above comment doesn't really belong here, as it's just an opinion, which is not the point of an article talk page. See WP:TMZ for Wikipedia's stance on TMZ as a source. Moncrief (talk) 20:37, 31 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict) Per WP:TMZ, there isn't a consensus on if TMZ is a reliable source or an unreliable source. It is noted that TMZ gets cited by reliable sources, but that Wikipedia editors believe it isn't as reliable as those sources. Unfortunately, this caused a bit of confusion. --Super Goku V (talk) 20:39, 31 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
This is all space-wasting. Put it on the TMZ talk page. It has nothing to do with this page, since we're not using TMZ as a source anymore. Moncrief (talk) 20:50, 31 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I disagree with your claims. The talk page is an appropriate location to discuss if we should use a source or not. Additionally, the current revision as I am typing this is using TMZ as a source and regardless of that it was being used as a source when this discussion started. I do not see a problem with my comment nor this discussion. --Super Goku V (talk) 21:00, 31 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Semi Protected Edit Request

In Betty White’s Death section, she is listed as dying in Brentwood CA, in Contra Costa County. However, in the article it states that LAPD responded to the natural death of a 99 year old woman at that address. That must have been a typo as Brentwood and Los Angeles are 8-10 hours away by car. The correct authorities would have been either the Brentwood Police Department or the Contra Costa County Sheriffs Department. 2602:306:3163:3130:E17C:7656:40EB:9541 (talk) 20:35, 31 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Where does it say this? It should be Los Angeles. Brentwood is a neighborhood, and it's not relevant enough for the infobox. Moncrief (talk) 20:38, 31 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
It looks like that's already been corrected. —C.Fred (talk) 20:39, 31 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 31 December 2021

Grammatical error under https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betty_White#Death "White died at her home in the Brentwood on the morning of December 31, 2021, at the age of 99, seventeen days before what would have been her 100th birthday."

There is an extra "the" before "Brentwood" which should be removed and should read as follows:

"White died at her home in Brentwood on the morning of December 31, 2021, at the age of 99, seventeen days before what would have been her 100th birthday." Samjrock (talk) 20:41, 31 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: It's correct in that context: the Brentwood neighborhood of Los Angeles. Brentwood is not a city name, and merely saying "Brentwood" is fine if you live in west L.A., but useless for Wikipedia's global audience. It needs the surrounding context. Moncrief (talk) 20:46, 31 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 31 December 2021 (2)

Put her death day 2600:6C5A:447F:A851:E896:A7F:BCEC:2440 (talk) 20:45, 31 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 21:06, 31 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Wrong Betty White Credited in First Job

This is incorrect: White's earliest work in entertainment came in 1930 when she was eight years old and appeared on an episode of a radio program called Empire Builders which was first broadcast on December 22 that year.

Per Variety's archives, in the Dec. 29, 1931 issue of Variety, a feature refers to a different Betty White appearing on "Empire Builders." (Photo attached.) The story reads: BETTY WHITE: Her grown-up pose belles her fame as radio's foremost child-character actress. For the past two years she has been the frequent feature of the enduring 'Rln-Tln-TIn Thrillers." Her voice is also familiar to listeners of the "Empire Builders" and "Junior Detective" programs. Betty is a graduate of Grinnell College, Iowa; she began her theatrical career in a road company of "Three Wise Fools," where she met her equally famous husband, Bob White, radio actor-author. Together they deserted the stage for the microphone. Soon they are to be heard in a new daily dramatic series from Chicago. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:4640:8B70:48B8:B6D8:C4C4:81D4 (talk) 20:53, 31 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 31 December 2021 (3)

"Comedian" in the infobox should be lowercased as it is the second list item after the first capitalized 'Actress'. Also, File:Betty White and Barack Obama in the Oval Office.jpg is duplicated, posted twice in the article. 159.33.10.194 (talk) 20:54, 31 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the sharp eye re the repeated image, I've deleted that.
Not sure what our style guide is via infobox, so I'll leave that up to others. (Also, I wonder if it refers to her as a comedic actress, or as a panelist and talk show host. Comedian usually implies writer or standup performer.) -- Zanimum (talk) 21:08, 31 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I think this would be considered answered, as the dupe image was taken care of, right?--CreecregofLife (talk) 21:25, 31 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
 Done @CreecregofLife and Zanimum: The capitalization request has been carried out, since guidelines at Template:Infobox person indicate that IP is correct, so I'm closing this now. If "comedian" is removed in favor of another term, that probably should be discussed in its own section. I've got no input there. Pupsterlove02 talk • contribs 21:32, 31 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

In Death section

There is an unnecessary portion with a link to People Magazine, I was trying to add something to the section with her agent but it came out wrong. Turtleshell3 (talk) 21:47, 31 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

People is a pretty reliable source, no harm in strengthening a statement--CreecregofLife (talk) 21:53, 31 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, forgive me, I wasn't clear. I mean “something” as in a text section regarding her agent's thoughts about her passing. But now the text and I'm wondering if it would be a good fit. Turtleshell3 (talk) 22:00, 31 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Very confusing Comment

First paragraph --- "A pioneer of early television, with a career spanning over seven decades...."

Third paragraph, first line --- "With a television career spanning over nine decades...."

Moriori (talk) 21:55, 31 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. That is confusing, particularly because she wasn't in television in the 1930s, and it effectively didn't yet exist as an entertainment medium. You or someone reading this should untangle what it says in the links. What does the link on her Guinness award say about her start date in the industry? We need to mirror the WP:RS cited. Moncrief (talk) 22:01, 31 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, see my comment under "television career". Appears the correct # of decades calculates to 8. StarofDavidCox (talk) 22:06, 31 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

According to her filmography, Bitey White did not appear in Forky Asks A Question's two episodes released in 2020, so that's not considered. Her first television appearance was on an experimental feed in 1939, her first wide gig was in 1949. So '40s through the '10s is indeed 8--CreecregofLife (talk) 22:34, 31 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Betty white television career

According to buzzfeednews, "whites first TV appearance was in 1939". Basic math calculates a career therefore of 8 decades, not "nine decades" as currently stated in Wikipedia. Her fabulous record does not require exaggeration, only correct citation. StarofDavidCox (talk) 22:02, 31 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Done. But I think even eight might be overstating it. The thing to do is to look at the sources in this article and mirror what they say, or add new reliable sources. I think it's fair to say that her TV career did not "span nine decades," but please be specific about what WP:RS say. We still have a discrepancy between "seven decades" and "eight decades" in the intro. Moncrief (talk) 22:22, 31 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • It is not original research to do basic math. If the sources disagree, do the math yourself using dates everyone agrees with, and go with that source for the duration claim. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 22:38, 31 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • Also note, if someone started in 1969 and stopped in 1971, some sources will say "spanning two decades" (60s and 70s), which might be accurate in an odd way, but it's really 2 years and misleading, so you try not to use those kinds of sources. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 22:40, 31 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 31 December 2021 (4)

Died 12/31/2021 2601:440:8380:79D0:48A9:81A6:9E6B:F332 (talk) 23:26, 31 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. We know, read the article - FlightTime (open channel) 23:42, 31 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 31 December 2021 (5)

Edit deaths date to December 31 on top of page 173.72.113.157 (talk) 23:39, 31 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. - FlightTime (open channel) 23:41, 31 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Remove Biden remark

Remove the Joe Biden comment. He’s too controversial and she never appear on her page 98.158.210.231 (talk) 00:12, 1 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

He's not controversial--CreecregofLife (talk) 00:20, 1 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I agree. When a public figure dies it's not unusual for a president to express condolences, as he did re Archbishop Tutu. (We're losing too many good people.) Manannan67 (talk) 02:37, 1 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 1 January 2022

Betty’s is not 99 on December 31. She is 100 and died 84 days before her 100th birthday.2601:192:4C7F:C2BB:B524:2E82:BFE3:F02D (talk) 00:21, 1 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Both incorrect--CreecregofLife (talk) 00:34, 1 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Should we change Betty White's Profile picture ?

Usually, when a entertainer dies, what i notice is that their profile picture gets changed to when they were at their " peak " years. We have not done so for Betty White. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:204:CF80:7440:B4A9:309F:7648:28B0 (talk) 00:30, 1 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Because it just happened. And considering the 2009/early 2010s period was one of great resurgence for her, I'd argue it doesn't need changing--CreecregofLife (talk) 00:32, 1 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I agree it doesnt need to be from her youth, but this particular image also doesnt look particularly flattering. Surely theres gotta be a picture from the last 20 years where she actually poses for a photo and looks into the camera. jonas (talk) 00:59, 1 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I would say waiting a week and starting a discussion giving options of 2 or 3 images is probably best. No reason to rush to it today. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 02:09, 1 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Friendships

Why is this section in here? It is irrelevant.

Navigate over to the pages for Lucille Ball, Bea Arthur, etc…you won’t find a section on “Friendships”. Kristinafh (talk) 02:41, 1 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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