:::The source you cited [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nikola_Tesla&type=revision&diff=1006923251&oldid=1006236928 here] specifically cites ''a letter by'' Tesla saying he wished to meet Vivekananda ''"again"''. So they met at least once, your source says maybe 3 times. The “Unfortunately, there is no record of this meeting” was a forth meeting they planed that may have never happened. [[User:Fountains of Bryn Mawr|Fountains of Bryn Mawr]] ([[User talk:Fountains of Bryn Mawr|talk]]) 20:29, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
:::The source you cited [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nikola_Tesla&type=revision&diff=1006923251&oldid=1006236928 here] specifically cites ''a letter by'' Tesla saying he wished to meet Vivekananda ''"again"''. So they met at least once, your source says maybe 3 times. The “Unfortunately, there is no record of this meeting” was a forth meeting they planed that may have never happened. [[User:Fountains of Bryn Mawr|Fountains of Bryn Mawr]] ([[User talk:Fountains of Bryn Mawr|talk]]) 20:29, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
Any sane person would ideally prefer to quote Tesla’s own writing. Again, the letter claimed to be from Tesla to Vivekananda exist only in Paranjape’s book on Vivekananda—published in India. I can’t find it on any of Tesla’s own works that says they met and “the two talked about how <i>the inventor's ideas on energy seemed to match up with Vedantic cosmology</i>”. See, the last part is very critical, because none of the sources you said mentions that Tesla said his idea on energy match up with Vedantic cosmology. I am from, India these such claims are being used to promote pseudoscience here. Kak is someone who claims that Tesla was trying to prove mass-energy equivalence, which he also said is the one that match up with Vedantic cosmology. Kak is also someone who claimed Indians knew speed of light thousand years ago. [[User:ChandlerMinh|ChandlerMinh]] ([[User talk:ChandlerMinh|talk]]) 04:25, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
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Editors may be interested to read this letter by Tesla, which could be of use for unnecessary debates about his origin which might reemerge. Sadkσ(talk is cheap) 16:25, 27 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Users pushing a POV will likely have some objections (either WP:PRIMARY or WP:BIASEDSOURCE, whether there is any merit or not to such objections) 'cause the source is a Serbian newspaper. Maybe it would be better if we could know where the original letter comes from? I have this from an English language source that refers to some other letters which are from the Tesla museum in Belgrade. This (undoubtedly neutral) source also describes Tesla's ethnic origin as follows: "An ethnic Serb born in 1856 in the Austrian Empire in present-day Croatia" Other neutral sources such as DW (here) refer to Tesla as "an ethnic Serb who spent most of his life abroad, after being born in the Austrian Empire in a small village in what is now Croatia.". RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 20:51, 27 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Vivekananda
The account of Vivekananda meeting does not occur in any of Tesla's own writing. The event is mentioned only in a letter by Vivekananda addressed to a not-so-famous New York resident named E. T. Sturdy.
And the source of the claim is Subhash Kak ChandlerMinh (talk) 16:25, 3 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
All sources are based on the letter[by Vivekananda] I mentioned above. Remove that part. One of the sources you gave clearly says “Unfortunately, there is no record of this meeting” [4]ChandlerMinh (talk) 14:59, 15 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The source you cited here specifically cites a letter by Tesla saying he wished to meet Vivekananda "again". So they met at least once, your source says maybe 3 times. The “Unfortunately, there is no record of this meeting” was a forth meeting they planed that may have never happened. Fountains of Bryn Mawr (talk) 20:29, 15 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Any sane person would ideally prefer to quote Tesla’s own writing. Again, the letter claimed to be from Tesla to Vivekananda exist only in Paranjape’s book on Vivekananda—published in India. I can’t find it on any of Tesla’s own works that says they met and “the two talked about how the inventor's ideas on energy seemed to match up with Vedantic cosmology”. See, the last part is very critical, because none of the sources you said mentions that Tesla said his idea on energy match up with Vedantic cosmology. I am from, India these such claims are being used to promote pseudoscience here. Kak is someone who claims that Tesla was trying to prove mass-energy equivalence, which he also said is the one that match up with Vedantic cosmology. Kak is also someone who claimed Indians knew speed of light thousand years ago. ChandlerMinh (talk) 04:25, 16 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Fountains of Bryn Mawr changed general statement about conflict (documented in Tesla's autobiography) on 8/2/2021 and then deleted his own change claiming this fact is not relevant (10/2/2021). Conflict is relevant because it shows Tesla's deep understanding of the technology at an early stage of his university studies and that he had the courage to dispute over the topic even with his prof.--Josephine1915 (talk) 22:03, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"Conflict is relevant because it shows Tesla's deep understanding of the technology at an early stage of his university studies". And there is the problem, its your original thought derived from a primary source. And the section in the book is about a priority claim to the invention of the induction motor. Its out of context in the article section (section is not about the induction motor). Fountains of Bryn Mawr (talk) 23:46, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
* Describes Tesla’s first contact with new apparatuses (historic newspaper source retrieved from the newspaper archives of the Austrian National Library (Österreichische Nationalbibliothek, ONB). Newspaper is dated from May 1892 (approx. 20 years prior to Tesla’s autobiography) and states: “…Von 1876 bis 1880 beschäftigte er sich hier vorwiegend mit Mathematik und Physik und lernte unter Regierungsrath Professor Jakob Pöschl im physikalischen Laboratorium der Technischen Hochschule, damals im Joanneum, zum erstenmale elektrische Maschinen und Apparate kennen…“ * Tesla’s experiences with different professors at the university comes in the chapter of his autobiography “My late endeavors – the discovery of the rotating magnetic field” almost right after the passage with his school experiences (see my last point pls.). He gives some detailed information of the professors and how they influenced him “My first year’s showing had won me the appreciation and friendship of several professors. Among these were Prof. Rogner,…; Prof. Poeschl,….and Dr. Alle…” He then briefly describes the personality of all three of them followed by the experiment with the Gramme dynamo and then the dispute. Then “For a time I wavered imprest by the professor’s authority, but soon became convinced I was right and undertook the task with all the fire…All my remaining term in Gratz was passed in intense but fruitless efforts of this kind,…” So Tesla describes how he got some glimpses but could not really see a proper solution yet. * During the demonstration of the newly arrived Gramme machine, Tesla saw room for improvement despite the fact that he was a young student. Those facts underline the moments of his innovative mind and might be relevant in the bio of an important inventor. Why deprive the public of such facts? * How come it is spoken of the induction motor at this point – there is no such mention in the sentence that was removed. * Now cited clearly (though I didn’t write that sentence at first). * Argument with primary source doesn’t hold against other info in the Tesla article related to his early years because most of that is generated from his autobiography (even if sources state differently e.g. the quote with regard to his school experiences “… made him want "to know more of this wonderful force".[30]” which originally derives from his autobiography as well) --Josephine1915 (talk) 19:27, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
It is funny how every little detail (up to the influence of Twain's books) is kept but the important ones for the actual development are not. What is more relevant for an encyclopedic entry about an inventor?! That is how one writes history, isn't it?!--Josephine1915 (talk) 19:54, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
That's how a historian writes history. We are not historians. We don't interpret primary sources. We also can't state them as fact in Wikipedia's voice per WP:NPOV. I have actually re-inserted some of this based on what secondary sources say about it. Fountains of Bryn Mawr (talk) 20:07, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
There was no interpretation of any kind in that sentence that was removed, it was stating pure facts according to sources given - just the explanation of relevance was an interpretation. I can and will not comment on the new sentence as I do not know that source. As with regard to my former comment I tried to deliver that independant source that was asked for. Not more and not less and the last point of my very long comment at 19:27 is still true for many parts of the Tesla article.--Josephine1915 (talk) 20:21, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Not done: Read the notices at the top. Cheers, RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 22:41, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
