User talk:LouisAlain/Archive 7

June

Thank you for a stady flow of articles in May! New wish: Ernest Bourmauck, conductor, not even in French, but there must be something for a stub. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:39, 1 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Now, what you've got me doing! As pertains your pics, it seems you're a member of the new Barbizon school. LouisAlain (talk) 08:46, 1 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

See below, + whatever you can source in Druet. It would be a shame not to have such a great singer on DYK. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:10, 4 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

next wish (short): Le Soleil des eaux --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:39, 22 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

That's great, - can you translate the title? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:38, 22 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

DYK nomination of Isabelle Druet

Hello! Your submission of Isabelle Druet at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 01:59, 4 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

anything useful in https://www.lexpress.fr/actualites/1/culture/la-francaise-isabelle-druet-transcende-les-langues-pour-ses-debuts-aux-etats-unis_1672470.html ? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:09, 4 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Do you want me to translate the page ? LouisAlain (talk) 08:13, 5 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

No, just look if it supports a fact that needs a ref (like her masters degree, or the first of the prizes), or has a fact that would be good to mention. I sourced all recordings, sigh, - proud. She has a few red links, hint hint ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:17, 5 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Is it necessary to indicate in the lede and in the first paragraph that she started as an actress? I've added one category and noticed the red links LouisAlain (talk) 10:21, 5 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

thanks

thanks for your message. I appreciate your understanding. yeah, I am mostly adding biography tags to the talk pages; especially for living people. I'm also learning a lot about French musicians and composers I didn't know about (and some I do!); so thanks for that! --FeanorStar7 10:01, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

References

Hello, can you please add WP:INLINECITE references to Jean Micault? This is a requirement for biographies of living people. 'External links' just means 'suggestions for further reading', but we need to know your sources. Thanks, Boleyn (talk) 06:57, 30 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, not sure if that is what you were asking for. LouisAlain (talk) 07:20, 30 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Please click on the link I gave: WP:INLINECITE. I am asking for you to add your sources clearly to the article. Did you understand my explanation about external links above? Since my message you have created Pierre-Yves Artaud, which is also a biography of a living person with no clear sources, and they need to be clear and inline. Please see WP:INLINECITE and Help:Referencing for beginners. You do seem to know how to do this, such as at Marie Vermeulin. Thanks, Boleyn (talk) 06:30, 1 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, neither in the German article have I found the slightest refs or source (well, actually it was a translation from French). Apparently no article is available on the internet as pertains this French flautist. Some people such as Gerda Arendt excel at plowing through the Internet but I'm not one of them alas. I always hope some Wikipedian will fill the blanks.

As regards Marie Vermeulin, the refs were already available on the French article.

Thanks for following my creations though... Yours, 09:50, 1 July 2018 (UTC)

It's no good if the refs are in French Wikipedia, to readers of English Wikipedia. We can't have unreferenced biographies of living people. I'll move them to draftspace; please work on them there. Please do not create/translate any articles without sources. Thanks, Boleyn (talk) 10:44, 1 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I'm currently listening to this piece and am not in the mood to argue endlessly on Wikipedia. I see two possibilities: You ask for this article to be masked like you did for Jean Micault and as many articles I translated as you want or you add the needed refs yourself (I kind of remember Wikipedia is a participative encyclopedia). You may also be interested with Michel Merlet that I don't feel like completing since it may be deleted within minutes.

Anyway, I've lost all trust in Wikipedia and you've provided another reason.

Time to have my daily nap to keep reality at bay. Some rosé will do the trick. Yours, LouisAlain (talk) 11:13, 1 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for improving article quality in June, for starting things from French that others could improve! Wikipedia is nothing to be trusted, but a good way to tell readers something about a Messiaen composition, which is better than nothing. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:57, 1 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

wishes in July: Pierre-Philippe Bauzin

Done, + the other red links on Louvion ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:00, 2 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, Gilles Durant de la Bergerie --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:53, 5 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, Les Siècles (heard them, excellent!) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:10, 9 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! Can you please look at the longish image caption for Psalm 138, and say in English what needs to be said, - seems too verbous ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:18, 15 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! We need fr:Julien Hamelle in English, could be Hamelle or Hamelle (publisher), for example. DYK 24 August, there's time ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:53, 21 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

If you like more work, this image has plenty of info about the Palais du Trocadéro, which is a lousy redirect and could be something like La salle de spectacle du fr:Palais du Trocadéro, - well, anything more will be better than the few lines we have now. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:07, 21 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The WP:BURDEN is on the creator to add references, especially important when you are writing about living people. None of your articles have been deleted - they have been moved from mainspace to draftspace and can be moved back at the click of a button, when they have clear sources. Michel Merlet is fine, it has a reference. Best wishes, Boleyn (talk) 13:38, 1 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Watching, and not knowing if you were talking to me. When I translate from German, I often find no inline citations, just books. I usually translate as a first step, and try to do inline citations in a second step. When a person has an article in another language she is more notable than if not. Interlanguage links are accepted, for example for List of composers by name, regardless of referencing in the other language. When you see external links from the French National Library, don't say it's unreferenced, - if you need to tag "inline" is the proper tag, not "unreferenced". --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:50, 1 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Gerda Arendt, no, I was addressing LousAlain. Different Wikipedias do have different rules, and some aren't well sourced - but here it's the rules of English Wikipedia we are looking at, and biographies of living people are required to have inline citations. 'External links' are not always used as sources for the article, it just means suggestions for further reading, so I would be wary to assume, without the creator confirming, that those were the references and that the only issue was that they needed to be moved inline. Boleyn (talk) 20:13, 1 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

My understanding is that in BLPs, contentious facts need inline citation. - When I translate a German biography, and find only three books (they usually call it "Literatur"), I am unable to transform that in inine citations, because when I don't have access, I don't have page numbers, and I don't know which facts are actually suppported by which book. My claim: I can still assume in good faith that the facts are correct. For DYK, I do have to search for sources, and I can tell you, that's a tedious process and takes an estimated five times as long as the translation. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:25, 1 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I tried to explain to LouisAlain how to add in-line references to Wikipedia articles a while back. I am not sure if he understood. It may seem more difficult than it is. He is a fantastic editor doing very good work but he needs to learn this. If he learns how to use the citing template, it is fairly easy to do I think... It should only take a few minutes to get used to--just click on "Templates", "cite news/book/journal etc", fill in the blanks...repeat the process at the end of each sentence or at least paragraph.Zigzig20s (talk) 06:51, 2 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Zigzig, can you talk to LouisAlain, on his talk? - From my perspective, it's not a matter of citation template, but you need to have the source first. What do you do when your German/French/whatever article has 3 books which you can't read, so you don't know which book supports which fact? - I believe that a translation from another language is worth having, even without inline citations. They fill red links, and invite to search further, and perhaps find inline citations. Compare that to the red link remaining red, and the information in draft space where nobody sees it. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:33, 2 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I am of the opinion that unreferenced content is worthless and should be deleted until references can be added.Zigzig20s (talk) 09:47, 2 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

You didn't hear me. There are reference, only, they are in books they I can't access, - maybe offline, maybe a language I don't read. I can still trust AGF that the information supported by them is correct. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:02, 2 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Well, if you, or our friend Louis, are unable to cite the specific page numbers, it is useless. Unless the entire book backs up the content you're adding. But if there are several pages and you are unable to retrieve them, how can we double-check the references? Maybe it's made up? We need to be careful about sources, otherwise anybody can add anything to Wikipedia anytime.Zigzig20s (talk) 10:12, 2 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

You seem not to understand. The books are there, but I don't have them. Example: Catherine Gayer, a red link for Barry McDaniel, an article with 6k+ views for three days in a row after he died (also thinking it's a shame that an American soprano has an article German but not in English). So I translated her from de:Catherine Gayer. Do you see inline citation there? - I didn't have the time to check then, so left it at that, step 1, red link blue! Today, step 2, I searched, and found three good refs which I added (of course), one enough to add a lot to the article, but again I don't have the time ;) - My pov: better to have credible information right away, without waiting for the time-consuming ref search. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:37, 2 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I understand and I disagree.Zigzig20s (talk) 12:40, 2 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

We will have to disagree on that matter then. Boleyn, what do you think about the Gayer example? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:47, 2 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Zigzig20s, as regards putting in-line references, I've got the how-to-do-it in my archives thanks to you. I've done that several times on the fr. Wiki but have forgotten since. The same goes with adding pictures to Wiki Commons. I once made it in this Wiki but couldn't repeat the feat. If you want to know what I looked like in my early thirties, it's here (Street vendor proposing Paris Passion in the Café Costes in Paris) LouisAlain (talk) 10:21, 2 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

That's a good picture!Zigzig20s (talk) 12:40, 2 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Gerda Arendt. I do understand your point, and have created many articles in a similar way - until it became clear that the info I was taking from other parts of Wikipedia was dubious and all needed to be redone, taking far longer than creating them from scratch. I wouldn't copy any information where I didn't have a source. I would, in an example such as the one you gave, create a very short stub with a source or two I could find online, and leave it to be expanded in time. Best wishes, Boleyn (talk) 20:11, 2 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Looks like my TP has turned into a salon littéraire à la Parisienne with educated women at the helm . LouisAlain (talk) 20:27, 2 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Boleyn, the difference in approach is "taking from other parts of Wikipedia was dubious". For me, there was nothing dubious about Gayer, one of the stars of my youth, part of my education ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:52, 2 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Wishes in August

When I compare Opera Fuoco in English and French, English could profit from an update, and if you'd find sources - even better. Don't miss my talk today ;) - she sang with them. Posed for me, I wish I had gotten a little closer. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:17, 2 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Today: Two questions.

A user changed "Et expecto" to "Et exspecto", referring to Et exspecto resurrectionem mortuorum. Messiaen was right. Is it that strange in French in general, or just for this one piece? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:41, 3 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Is it fr:La Damnation de Faust (as the French article states). the BNF is wrong which seems slightly suprising.--Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:41, 3 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

La Damnation de Faust d'Hector Berlioz. Indeed there's some ambiguity here.

I confess I'm too exhausted these days to produce any valuable output... LouisAlain (talk) 20:03, 3 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure the Wiki policy regarding capitals ans italic titles is always consistent. This page for example should provide arguments pro and con. LouisAlain (talk) 08:21, 4 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Some uncapitalized works in English just are in French; Go figure LouisAlain (talk) 08:21, 4 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Not easy for someone who is neither French nor English. Just translated The little Nigar (from Dutch), until I found a serious source say The Little Nigar, - extra tricky when the French speaks English. Hard to believe that it has no article in French. The Damnation thing, please speak up at the article, I was chicken and undid my comment, in the light of these majestic Grove and BNF, and Michael who is practically always right. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:26, 4 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Henry Bidou if you have the strength --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:31, 15 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

If you allow me bringing my two cents in this discussion, I have some idea (as a professional editor) of what the usage of capitals for titles should by in various languages – I mean what it should be, the problem is that many publishers do not care any more...

In English, the usage is to capitalize the first word, then any important word. The correct way to write therefore appears to be "The Little Nigar". (The initial "The" capitalized as first word, the following ones as important.)

In German, the first word is capitalized, then all substantives. Thus, Der kleine Neger, I think. Dutch apparently does not expect that many capitals and probably would write De kleine neger, but I am not aware of specific rules about this.

In French, capitals should be avoided as much as possible. However, there exists a rule that I think more typographic than orthographic, that the first word following the initial definite accent should also be capitalized. Therefore: Le Petit nègre (but probably Un petit nègre, if this were the case). It seems so odd in this case to capitalize the adjective and not the substantive, however, that I think many would write Le Petit Nègre (or, possibly, Le petit nègre).

The most striking and difficult case in French would be the Prélude (with a capital) written by Debussy about Mallarmé's L'Après-midi d'un faune, where both "L" and "A" in L'Après-midi would be capitalized by virtue of the rule of the initial definite accent stated above. The full title, for me, should read Prélude à L'Après-midi d'un faune, with implicit quotation marks (which Debussy apparently did not want) around Mallarmé's title.

These rules are often implicit, and I am very sorry to acknowledge that they remain largely unknown and unrespected today, especially in French ... Hucbald.SaintAmand (talk) 20:33, 20 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry for the delay to answer, I'm less active here than I used to be.

Thanks for all these precisions; indeed, it's mainly in French that there exists apparently so many variations and much irrespect regarding these rules so that at the end of the day not many - save professional editors and typographers - still remember what they are.

Thanks for the input, I'll keep it as a reference. LouisAlain (talk) 05:21, 22 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

another wish, on Debussy's birthday: Eugène Fromont, earlier publisher of his music, no article fr, but IMSLP and BNF, stub will do if you have a little time. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:30, 22 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Serge Blanc (violinist)

On 25 August 2018, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Serge Blanc (violinist), which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Serge Blanc was the first to record Leonard Bernstein's Serenade after Plato's "Symposium" in France? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Serge Blanc (violinist). You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Serge Blanc (violinist)), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Vanamonde (talk) 00:01, 25 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

DYK that thanks to you, Leonard Bernstein is mentioned on the Main Page on the day of his centenary? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:57, 25 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for drawing my attention to this. Without your input, this article would never have made it to the "DYK department" though. LouisAlain (talk) 16:56, 25 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I love collaboration! - My last one, being asked to help with a German-Albanian martyr, made it to 18k+ clicks ;) - Years ago, I wrote Dieter Thomas Heck with a friend who asked me to help, - now he died (Heck, I mean, - the friend is blocked, the one who took the pic of the sapphire for precious). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:46, 25 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

There's this red link for the Opera orchestra on his page ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:23, 25 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Wishes in September

August

If possible fr:La Belle et la Bête (opéra) to same in English, just without the accent. Can't believe that an opera by an American has an article in French but not English ;) - Other operas by him have one, so you have models, Einstein on the Beach. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:14, 4 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! Here's a shorter one: Eric Chafe. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:50, 5 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! Pictured and linked: Philibert de l'Orme --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:55, 19 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Stupid me, - I could have looked ;) - Joseph Meissonnier [fr]. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:44, 19 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Another: Jean-Jacques Eigeldinger --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:27, 19 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Eugène Vauthrot

Bonjour et merci d'avoir remarqué cette petite traduction d'un article que vous avez créé. La raison pour laquelle il a attiré mon attention est que Vauthrot a obtenu le Prix de Rome et que je complète la Category:Prix de Rome for composition. Il existe en allemand un certain nombre d'articles consacrés à ces compositeurs, articles qui n'existent pas en français ni en anglais.

Ce qui m'amène plus précisément est que bcp de ces articles n'ont pas la moindre référence, ce qui est ennuyeux sur Wiki comme vous savez.

Pouvez-vous me dire à partir de quelle(s) source(s) vous avez rédigé votre article ? D'avance je vous en remercie. Bonne continuation, LouisAlain (talk) 04:48, 12 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Bonjour, J'utilise beaucoup Gallica pour "sourcer" les articles que je crée. Gallica sur Wikipedia en Français.

Comme ici par exemple Richard Wagner et le "Tannhäuser" en 1861 à l'Opéra de Paris.

Recherche Grand Prix de Rome de composition sur Gallica. Voir aussi ici. Best --Thcollet (talk) 05:04, 12 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Xavier Leroux

Bonjour, J'ai crée l'article en français sur l'opéra Astarté de Xavier Leroux (Prix de Rome). J'ai mis en référence des articles de presse disponible sur Gallica. Ces articles donnent des éléments sur sa carriere Voir. Best --Thcollet (talk) 15:43, 17 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Bonsoir. À première vue c'est de la belle ouvrage qui sera disponible sans doute demain dans une version en anglais. Bravo pour le travail et les recherches associées et merci de cette suggestion de traduction. Yours, LouisAlain (talk) 17:41, 17 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Done J'ai relevé 2 ou 3 erreurs de frappe, je ne me souviens que d'"allemend" au lieu d'"allemand" bien sûr (analyse plus moderne). Étant banni de Wiki fr je ne peux corriger moi-même sauf à sortir dans un café... Yours LouisAlain (talk) 09:18, 18 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Alexandros Markeas

Bonjour Thcollet,

Je viens de traduire cet article de Wiki.fr et m'aperçois que ce compositeur est censé avoir remporté un Grand Prix de Rome en 1999. Or ce Prix de Rome a été supprimé en 1966 sur décision d'André Malraux. Il y a donc malentendu quelque part. Comme vous semblez spécialiste des articles relatifs à la musique et aux musiciens en général, je m'en remets à vous pour corriger ce qui doit l'être.

Bien cordialement, LouisAlain (talk) 13:49, 24 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Best--Thcollet (talk) 14:07, 24 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Wishes in October

August

Aimez-vous Brahms? - it's just too little, Done and how was it translated to English? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:15, 2 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I had no idea you were a Françoise Sagan fan... (especially of "Do you like Brahms?")... I'll beef up this page after my daily nap. LouisAlain (talk) 10:21, 2 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I'm no fan, but just discussed over breakfast how the title would be translated to English, and I was sure I'd find it in our article, but no ;) - I love Brahms, and still hope to sing one his greatest works tomorrow, but have a bad cold ... --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:57, 2 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Could be "Do you love Brahms?, Do you enjoy Brahms?, Do you appreciate Brahms?", pick your choise. The Italian title (Le piace Brahms?) matches the original as well as the German Lieben Sie Brahms?. LouisAlain (talk) 11:11, 2 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! Yes, I love. Our performance was good, I loved the first movement which had some unexpected fluency. The review is used as a ref here. I just expanded Requiem (Saint-Saëns) on the composer's birthday, - you are welcome to add, from fr or wherever. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:06, 9 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Yvonne et Christine Lerolle au piano [it] -

Done and there are more red links on Pour le piano.

(never signed the above, never mind. The Brahms review is back.) Rue de l'Université (Paris) [fr] - "flowery" (below) - most people are not buried before they died, - the wording made me smile, but thought in the face of death, I'd change it ;) - Sorry about the missing "(Regisseur)", Flüchtigkeitsfehler, I make them a lot. - what I came for (and a stub will suffice to change an ugly red link in a FAC): Rue de l'Université (Paris) [fr]

Turning to Sophie Koch who absolutely deserves a DYK: I added two references, - would you have time to assign them to the facts in the article? (I don't right now, sorry.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:22, 20 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I did most of the job now, but a few bits are missing, like the people for Alceste, and the patron thing. Help, or drop? And the recordings, sigh. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:25, 22 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

You may not have noticed that in between I translated Michel Glotz which now makes this page red links free. It should be a plus for a DYK nomination.

You may be interested in Alexandrina Miltcheva

What is a FAC? LouisAlain (talk) 10:44, 22 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Red links are no problem for DYK, but thanks for filling another one ;) - I added francemusique, - is there anything in the prose that might be added? - The other mezzo is interesting but too short for DYK. - WP:FAC, - in the past they tried to keep featured articles red-link-free, but ill has been accepted more recently. In my current FAC, I have a few but plan to turn them blue shortly before the hoped-for date. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:00, 22 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Wolfgang Rennert

Hello, I happened to see your remark on Gerda's talk page. When I edit a translation, I do not check it word for word against the German. I look only when a question comes up. If you see any change you think is inconsistent with the source text, please let me know. Regards. Jmar67 (talk) 23:46, 12 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, when Gerda corrects the pages I create it's usually not because I misunderstood the original German texts (even less the French ones) although it could happen of course, but essentially to rewrite certain formulations of mine which are not what they should be in English and also she helps with the templates and the htlm subleties.

Example: "After he died in Berlin, he was buried at the Dorotheenstadt cemetery" became: "He died in Berlin and was buried at the Dorotheenstadt Cemetery". I often make it too flowery...

When I leave a red link without the {{ill|Erhard Fischer|de}} template, it means that I'll soon translate it. In that circumstance, you'll see that such as it is, the redirection to the German page leads to a disambiguation one. I'll take care of "Erhard Fischer (Regisseur)" today. I use the Template:Ill/de when I have no intention to translate the article (whether the original is too long or I'm not interested in the topic).

Finally, don't underestimate my natural lazyness and nonchalant approach when it comes to being professional.

Thanks for your proposition. Best, LouisAlain (talk) 07:20, 13 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Wishes in November

I am going to write on Andreas Bauer (bass), and the so far most detailed ref is in French [1]. Could you please, once begun later today, check if I understood it right, and add what I missed? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:17, 5 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

See how well you fare in French! Paolo Barbacini doesn't even have an article in Italian hence the deletion of the red link. LouisAlain (talk) 20:11, 5 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Guess what, I knew that he had no article in Italian, or would have used "ill" ;) - I removed - with a comment - the discogs for him which says nothing about Bauer. Can't find if any of 8 discogs for a Andreas Bauer is this one. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:25, 5 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Und einige sagen, dass die Deutschen in ihrem Ansatz nicht leicht sind. Why did you red linked Paolo Barbacini then? Since this singer is mentioned, I thought a ref. would be welcome. Try to lend a hand and that's what you get. LouisAlain (talk) 21:46, 5 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

You get an explanation ;) - IF you want to say PB recorded (but why? it's not about him), then copy the ref that follows to before. The ref for the tenor is not for the Bauer studies. - I don't think it's particularly German to need a ref for Bauer's studies in a Bauer article more urgently. I red-link people who deserve an article, and PB seems to be one of them. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:02, 5 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

My touchiness will be my loss. A misundersting of your answer that I mistook for a bitter mockery led me to blow a fuse again. Apologies. Commissions still very welcome. LouisAlain (talk) 00:28, 7 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

No problem, as long as the short fuse becomes long ;) - Nothing right now, vacation. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:29, 7 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

grin, here we go with a special wish: fr:Chœurs et solistes de Lyon-Bernard Tétu, but I'd prefer Bernard Tétu. Can't believe that the man has no article when the choir is named after him. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:10, 7 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Livio Retti --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:12, 7 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Cecilia, vergine romana - her day is 22 November, and as it's probably too short for DYK, we could do it that day? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:59, 13 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you so much!! - Pour Mi: I found a good book source, in French, - please take what you can get from there. We have a conflict about when the premiere of the orchestra version was, 1937 and 1949 are in the game. Can you expand the stub on the lake just a little bit? Eventually create that Marcelle singer who must be notable if she was known as Brünnhilde? - Good topc for today ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:55, 15 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Cecilia: I found a good ref, but Italian, - can you add from there? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:53, 18 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding the Dumas critic, is this any good? Did he die on Tahiti or Haiti? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:42, 24 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Today would be the day to nom him for DYK. I found a 1855 bio, now under external links. Can you find things in it to use it as a ref for the many things not yet referenced? There or somewhere else? - I can't tell, nor do I have time. --

Today is Helmut Lachenmann's birthday. Any chance for Mouvement (- vor der Erstarrung)? There are two more compositions in French, but I don't want to ask too much ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:22, 27 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Apparently this was an emergency case... LouisAlain (talk) 12:19, 27 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

An iconic work ;) - Do we have a ref for the flowery description you kindly translated? Don't want copyvio problems. Saw a French opera yesterday! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:12, 30 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Ausklang, Guero (Lachenmann) and Reigen seliger Geister must be the other pieces you refered to. It should be done by tomorrow. As for ref, if you can't find one there's no way I could. As regards copyvio, do translations with slight modifications count as copyright infringements? Stéphane Lissner is part of a series dedicated to the Paris Opera directors. 4 remain untranslated. LouisAlain (talk) 10:44, 30 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

A translation is no violation, but if the translated text was a copyvio (and it feels a bit like that) the translation is also one. I haven't found where it came from, but also had no time to look. At the airport. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:52, 30 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I have unreviewed a page you curated

Thanks for reviewing Alexandre Georges, LouisAlain.

Unfortunately Boleyn has just gone over this page again and unreviewed it. Their note is:

Has not been tagged despite referencing concerns.

To reply, leave a comment on Boleyn's talk page.

Boleyn (talk) 19:50, 18 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Ways to improve Maurice Clerc

Thanks for creating Maurice Clerc.

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About Massimo Bogianckino - an El País article that may be helpful here

Buona sera from Melbourne, amico mio. "El actual director administrativo del Teatro de la Ópera de París y antiguo director de La Scala de Milan es el nuevo alcalde de Florencia" - cliquez ici Pete AU aka --Shirt58 (talk) 10:21, 27 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hi and thanks for the link you provided. It now has been incorporated into the external links section of the page. LouisAlain (talk) 10:41, 27 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Precious anniversary

Precious
Six years!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:54, 2 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I forgot to thank you Gerda. Shame on me all the more since that was my first "award" on wiki. LouisAlain (talk) 06:37, 4 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Can you help Blandine Verlet to references? She died yesterday. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:42, 31 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I got the refs over, but can't read them. Could you please check what they support besides the date of death? There's also Ruggero Gerlin. - DYK what the best advice was I ever got on this site? ignore ignore ignore - if that's not enough there's also Ray's Rules. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:59, 31 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Gerda, you know you've got a hold on me, so I obliged. But now I'm on the radar of several sysops so I know my fate is already sealed. Yes I may look like a paranoid but life has told me some things. I'm of the old school (66 years of age) and old enough to know better. The insolence, animosity, lack of manners and impudence of Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (who masters French and Spanish subjonctives) has confirmed my prejudice regarding the unprofessionality of many sysops here.

Thanks for your attempts at driving me here back.

Thank you for whatever you say ;) - it's not exactly ignore ignore ignore, but better than deadly silence. I was angry enough to want to put to rest precious for the master of the subjonctive, but found nothing. Happy New Year (preview, better tomorrow)! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:24, 31 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Machine translations

Please don't use machine translations, as you did here. It leads to hardly intelligible and often simply wrong results, like "My father, being the first gentleman of the room and first squire of Louis XIII, made his father's small fortune, who found himself a man of merit and finished him off." Finished him off? I don't think so...

It is better to have no quotes or translated text, than to have translated text which is wrong or meaningless. Fram (talk) 10:46, 3 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I admit I didn't check the Saint-Simon part. If that was the only mistake you noticed you could have spared your time writing me your advice and correct yourself the erroneous part. Please, don't brush off other people's work - how faulty they may be - the way you do. Wikipedia is a collaborative encyclopedia after all. Thanks, LouisAlain (talk) 11:01, 3 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Uh, no. That section was filled with similar errors, this was just the most blatant. I don't plan to clean up after editors inserting machine translations without checking them, these editors should learn not to do this in the first place. That doesn't mean that you are not allowed to make any errors, just that you are not allowed to use a system which is bound to create many errors.

Your reinsertion of that section with only a minimal change is vandalism. Please don't do this again. Fram (talk) 11:16, 3 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Well, do as you please. LouisAlain (talk) 11:31, 3 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

So, you decided all of your own without consulting anybody to mask Nicolas Joel‎ which took me about 3 hours to create. The chutzpah! That is the last straw on the camel's back. I'm not sure it is a plus for Wikipedia but if you're satisfied with this move, that's all that counts. Since you're at it: you also can mask the 3000+ articles I have translated. But I must thank you for that: From now on, no more translation machine and no more articles above 2ko. Gérard Serkoyan has been reduced from 150 ko to 3 ko and André Mocquereau has lost 45 ko in the process. Keep on the good job! Great way to encourage everybody at the mercy of anybody's whim. And spare me your threats, I know the line. First a warning and a 24 h suspension, then a second warning with a 1 week suspension and finally a definitive ban. I've been here before. LouisAlain (talk) 14:06, 3 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Is that so? With what account? I note that your very large pages, e.g. Henri Médus, are achieved by having a very, very large portion of it not displayed at all, since you left it in a French template which doesn't exist here. I have just removed 128K of hidden comments there... In any case, you are welcome to continue contributing here and translating articles, but just make an effort to translate manually, and to produce a text which is understandable and faithful to the actual meaning of the original, and not a word-by-word translation which doesn't make sense or has a different meaning in English. Whether the end result is short or long is not important. Fram (talk) 14:26, 3 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Breaking news: I had Jean-Louis Martinoty in my program but someone wrote a stub about him. I couldn't help but add my two cents (without translating machine) on this page, hope you don't mind. 25ko+ in the original version, reduced to 1,2 ko. Wikipedia needs more people like you. LouisAlain (talk) 14:20, 3 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

"Breaking news: I had Jean-Louis Martinoty in my program but someone wrote a stub about him." That would be me. Pete AU aka --Shirt58 (talk) 12:19, 4 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Il faut imaginer Shirt58 heureux. That Stubby McStubface stub was a result of of my edit there. I'm also looking at creating a category and/ot "directors of the Paris Opera"

Hi Shirt58, I created that category a couple of weeks ago

Thanks for the reference to Camus. LouisAlain (talk) 11:37, 5 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I once was a gloomy adolescent who read too many books instead of enjoying the more usual pursuits of teenage Tasmanians like shoplifting and breaking windows on building sites. As the years went on, people stopped saying of me "how cynical for one so young" and simply said "how cynical".

My apologies. I'll try to fix any mistakes I made in this context up asap. Pete AU aka --Shirt58 (talk) 10:45, 6 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Shirt58, I know you created that stub and I am thankfull to you for sparing me the work since it was a rather long article in French. But since I have been sternly scolded for my poor translations, I was happily surprised to discover your work one day or so before I was to do it myself. Thanks again. , LouisAlain (talk) 12:54, 4 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Lovely! Collaboration! Assuming good faith! - Fram, when I translate from German, I often leave untranslated sections, always in the hope that I or someone else will have time to expand. Feel free to remove if you find such a thing, if it bothers you. It would be easy to retrieve in the translated article. Busy today, began music "ganz großen Stils" for a birthday of someone who has played it, and want to translate Andreas Bauer (bass), the other way round. Also to Fram: LouisAlain translated all Bach cantatas to French in 2012, DYK? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:03, 4 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

When I translate from French I sometimes leave untranslated sections, always in the hope that I or someone else will have time to expand. My position exactly. LouisAlain (talk) 16:03, 4 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Gerda, please never leave untranslated bits (add them to the talk page or at most add them in comments, but not visible for the readers). Note also that the untranslated bits here were half sentences, e.g. you had a sentence starting in French and ending in English... We have draftspace and sandboxes as a place for half-finished articles, but the main space is not meant to put articles with clearly unfinished bits in it. This has little to do with AGF, pointing out to people that some things in their articles are not good enough to be in the main space is not a violation of AGF. Fram (talk) 13:55, 4 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

"Never leave untranslated" is good theory. In real life, I often arrive at a point where I hit "publish" because I need to do something else in the middle of a translation, and don't want to loose it, and when that is over, I forget about the unfinished job. Perhaps that never happens to you, personally, congratulations then. - I didn't say anybody "violated" AGF (could one?), but confess that "With what account?" wasn't the sweetest question I heard today. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:17, 4 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(talk page stalker)I don't think Fram was aware of L-A's block on French wikipedia it only shows up if you go to his French user page and I think it is quite good advice to say it's better to use a sandbox when translating. Dom from Paris (talk) 16:07, 6 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

When I translate an article that is supposed to be short (even if long in the original) I don't use a sandbox. Example: first attempt vs. St. Nikolai, Kiel now. Just a few days of patience. The first day, I don't know yet what of the details I'll get sourced, so keep it until I know better. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:45, 6 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Fram, although she's a very young girl, Gerda perfectly knows what you're reminding us here. Aren't users allowed momentary lapses of memory which leave them forget what they've recently been working at and omitted to note they shall finish their translations later?

Receiving your advice is all very fine and dandy but what have you done recently to really enrich the encyclopedia? LouisAlain (talk) 16:03, 4 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Merci insertion Photo

Bonjour LouisAlain,

Merci d'avoir inséré la photo de Jean-Louis Martinoty dans la version English, j'en ai été incapable. A qui doit-on s'adresser chez Wikipedia pour avoir une assistance technique sur le Wikipedia en langue anglaise. Cordialement. Joisy78. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joisy78 (talk • contribs) 08:46, 4 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Bonjour Joisy78,
Rien de plus facile que d'insérer une photo sur une page, il suffit qu'elle soit disponible sur une version (quelque langue que ce soit) de Wikipedia. Vous cliquez à droite sur la photo et l'ouvrez dans une autre fenêtre qui apparaît ainsi : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Jean-Louis_Martinoty.jpg. Vous n'avez plus qu'à reprendre File:Jean-Louis Martinoty.jpg tel quel et le placer dans l'infobox ou en haut de la page (l'image s'affichera d'office à droite), ce qui vous donne ceci :

Perso je centre les légendes, plus élégant à mon sens.

Quand il m'arrive d'avoir une question technique, je m'adresse Ici.

J'espère vous avoir aidé, essayez et n'hésitez pas à revenir vers moi if need be. Cordlt, LouisAlain (talk) 09:11, 4 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hatnotes

Please don't use hatnotes from a specific name to a general disambiguation of the last name, this is not necessary and not normally done at our articles. Fram (talk) 09:49, 4 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Merci encore

Merci pour toutes ces informations. Je reviendrai effectivement vers vous si besoin. Bien cordialement. Joisy78 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joisy78 (talk • contribs) 15:47, 4 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Wolfgang Rennert

On 14 December 2018, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Wolfgang Rennert, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Wolfgang Rennert conducted the world premieres of Louise Talma's Die Alkestiade at the Frankfurt Opera and Rainer Kunad's Sabellicus at the Staatsoper Berlin? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Wolfgang Rennert. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Wolfgang Rennert), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Gatoclass (talk) 00:03, 14 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Checking facts and references when translating articles

It looks as if, while translating articles, you don't actually check whether the claims in the original article are actually correct and supported by the reference. For example, in Stélios Vlavianós, there is the claim "1976: The English magazine Music Week named him "Composer No. 1 of the Year".", referenced to "Music Week: 1000 number ones of The Seventies - n°392: Composer No. 1 of the Year". That link doesn't work, so it looks as if you didn't use it. Luckily, the original French article also has an archive link added (any reason you didn't copy this?), to here. Looking at that link, it becomes clear that Music Week did not call him the "Composer No. 1 of the Year" (or any variation thereof), they don't even mention him: all that happens is that the song "Forever and Ever" is listed as one the #1s of the year 1976, from the "The 1000 Number One Singles Of The Official UK Charts". So this is not some separate Music Week award about Vlavianos, but just a republishing of the hits of the year.

Your article also claims "His song Forever and Ever was a world success and entered the Guinness Book of Records", sourced to this Demis Roussos obituary. But that article claims "Demis Roussos, the Greek singer who has died aged 68, became an unlikely heart throb in the 1970s when his album sales earned him a place in the Guinness Book of Records. " No mention of Vlavianos in that article at all, nor an indication that it was a song Vlavianos co-wrote which got in the Guinness Book of Records.

Then we find "Some of his chamber music pieces were presented by the Orchestre de Chambre de Paris under the direction of Pierre Duvauchelle,[4] of whom he was a close collaborator. " with the source [2]. I can't find a reference to Vlavianos on that page, and I can't find any other source linking the two together at all.

Please always check the articles you write (whether you write them completely or translate them), and don't blindly trust an article on another version of Wikipedia. Wikipedia is not a reliable source, and it is your responsability to get it right and not to introduce factual errors into enwiki. Fram (talk) 11:14, 17 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

As pertains the links, I admit I cheched they worked but didn't search the content. My bad. Other than that I fully agree with your remarks. They raise an intersesting question though: that of thruth, what is it, where is it to be found and how to establish veracity? Was Stélios Vlavianós actually born in Athens on 7 July 1947? Did he really was a student of the École Normale de Musique de Paris ? Did he actually exist at all ? You may be interested at looking here as well as here.

I was about to delete the contentious parts when I realized you already had done the clean-up. Thanks for your move. It confirms my new decision to be less ambitious and be satisfied with stubs. Yours, LouisAlain (talk) 13:23, 17 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Don't ever change the comments by others in the way you did here[3]. You may ask for a correction, you may reply that I am wrong or that I should have written X instead, but you don't get to change what I (or others) write like this.

As for your interesting question; while we hope to write the truth, what we actually do is write verifiable information. So for example we don't know when he was born, but we go with what reliable source write. If they are wrong, then we will be wrong as well. Fram (talk) 13:47, 17 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Peace be with thou Fram

Thanks for your efforts

		The Special Barnstar
		Many thanks Louis. for your efforts in translating articles from other language wikis. Your hard work is really appreciated. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:32, 17 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your award Martinevans123 , I've just moved it on my home page. It's always a pleasure to notice one's work doesn't pass unheeded. Next should be Orchestre de chambre de Paris. LouisAlain (talk) 13:06, 17 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Poèmes pour Mi

On 20 December 2018, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Poèmes pour Mi, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Poèmes pour Mi is a song cycle by Olivier Messiaen, who set his own poems for a grand soprano dramatique and orchestra, and dedicated it to his wife? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Poèmes pour Mi. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Poèmes pour Mi), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Alex Shih (talk) 12:01, 20 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Copyright problem on Orchestre de chambre de Paris

Content you added to the above article appears to have been closely copied from http://www.orchestredechambredeparis.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/OCP-Brochure-internationale-mars-2015.pdf. Copying text directly from a source is a violation of Wikipedia's copyright policy. Unfortunately, for copyright reasons, the content had to be removed and I paraphrased some. Content you add to Wikipedia should be written in your own words. Please leave a message on my talk page if you have any questions. — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 17:33, 21 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your intervention, I didn't know the text was from the source you link to. LouisAlain (talk) 18:37, 21 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Nadolig Llawen a Blwyddyn Newydd Dda

Martinevans123 ^{(Santa's Hard Brexit Grotto)} ... sends you ...

... warmest seasonal wishes for ...... Nadolig Llawen a Blwyddyn Newydd Dda.

Merry Christmas Baby... and hoping that you have a good New Year !!

Martinevans123, thanks for your new year wish and the links to musicians I didn't know about. As you can guess, I'm unable to answer in Welsh (or isn't it?) to your message. Yet here is a link to a song written by the author of I wish you love, among others. Charles Trénet is to French song what J.S. Bach is to Western music (mutatis mutandis though).

I chose this song because obviously there's no piece of classical music that you wouldn't be aware of.

A plea to you: Please don't hesitate to ask me a translation from the French Wiki, as Gerda regularly does. I will be please to oblige.

Goes without saying that I also wish you the best for the new year which indeed is already here. Douce France. Sincerely yours, LouisAlain (talk) 23:11, 23 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks so much for that LouisAlain, how utterly charmimg is Charles Trenet ... "there's no piece of classical music that you wouldn't be aware of" ... haha, if only that were even partly true. "Quand tout change et s'en va sans regrets, Quand on est seul debout sur la pass'relle!" Martinevans123 (talk) 23:22, 23 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Buon Natale

May you have very Happy Holidays, Louis Alain ...

and a New Year filled with peace, joy, and beautiful music!

Best wishes and many thanks for all your work on opera and classical music articles, Voceditenore (talk) 08:26, 24 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your unexpected whishes Voceditenore, that I am glad to return to you.

This is the kind of collage music I've always be very found of. But maybe not to your taste. Otherwise I could listen for hours to Hindustani music (or Carnatic as well).

Other than that, I'm totally unable to set up a page with a frame like you did.

Once again, thanks for your delicate attention. LouisAlain (talk) 14:18, 24 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Some banket letter for you!

I hope you like almond paste (if you don't, all the more for me). Wishing you and yours a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year! Narky Blert (talk) 00:15, 25 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Narky Blert and thanks for your good year wishes. I'm not a gourmet, but rather a minimalist who could (perhaps) have led the life of a monk (with computers though...). This the kind of image that never ceases to stun me cos' they make me feel I'm in direct contact with the very ancient time, so ancient that it was before the appearance of men on earth. The wisdom and lassitude I see in elephant' eyes are humbling and speak directy to me. The same goes with fishs' eyes on the stall market, eyes which have seen the dephths of seas and oceans; Mother Nature in a nutshell and the only means to raise above the daily fray of life: Life is present through our eyes and wouldn't exist without your consciousness.

But I digress... Let me seize the opportunity to thank you for the many corrections you bring in the pages I create with so many wrong or incomplete links. My bad! I'm rather amateurish in the way I work generaly speaking.

Hope you like this piece. Makes me think of a lost parasise.

Cheers, LouisAlain (talk) 09:59, 25 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Ways to improve Victor von Halem

Hello, LouisAlain,

Welcome to Wikipedia and thanks for creating Victor von Halem! I edit here too, under the username Boleyn and it's nice to meet you :-)

I wanted to let you know that I have tagged the page as having some issues to fix, as a part of our page curation process and note that:-

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Victor von Halem moved to draftspace

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Ways to improve Elmar Schloter

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Ways to improve François Huguet

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Axel Duboul moved to draftspace

An article you recently created, Axel Duboul, does not have enough sources and citations as written to remain published. It needs more citations from reliable, independent sources. (?) Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of "Draft:" before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline and thus is ready for mainspace, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page. Boleyn (talk) 15:46, 25 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Boleyn, after three pages I recently created were laid to waste by you and another sysop, working for peanuts is all very fine but I've decided to keep a low profile on Wiki and be satisfied with stubs. Your overzealous approach to the rules regarding refs I understand and agree with. Just, if one stick blindly to these rule, one can as well mask about 4 millions articles on the project. Where does the information in the British encyclopedia come from? Are they all referenced?

I've just come accross this one Symphony No. 2, "The Imp of the Perverse" with simply no reliable or verifiable reference, source, external links, portals, missing categories etc. Not to mention it's an orphan page. Enjoy!

I've also noticed the German Wikipedia is often very light as pertains references. Are the operators there less competent than the American ones or more pramatic?

Maybe should I turn to the practice of the most prolific categories creator on en/Wiki and leave translation completely out of the way and focus on editing only.

For the mean time, keep wandalizing the encyclopedy while I'm bringing my little bricks to it. Cheers! LouisAlain (talk) 18:47, 25 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

LouisAlain, why don't you just add one ref to each and move it back. I'm busy, or would do it myself. To do such a thing on Christmas Day, - I have no words, sorry. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:59, 25 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Dam if I do, dam if I don't. For the record, I'm an absolut atheist so Christmas bears as much importance to me than does the Ramadan or any religious celebration. Why should I invest more time and energy in Wiki when I see what I get and knowing well that eventually I'll be banned from this site? (should happen next year).

I'm sorry if I was overzealous, LouisAlain, I hadn't realised how many of your creations I had edited today. As I've said before, there are other unreferenced articles on Wikipedia - thousands of them - that doesn't mean we should create more. Different Wikipedias will also do things differently, but showing your sources is important for readers to know the information is correct. These articles all have more issues than a lack of references though, and you have been asked many times to add references when you create articles, but you choose not to. Again, I'm genuinely sorry that I have upset you. Best wishes, Boleyn (talk) 20:36, 25 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

"but you choose not to". That one takes the cake. Like I didn't try to find some links on the internet. Just, I refrain to link to commercial sites since I understand it's not allowed. Another reason for me to diminish my involvement in Wikipedia. My definitive break away won't be missed by anybody here. All is for the best in the best possible world. LouisAlain (talk) 23:55, 25 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

What do you mean by commercial sites? ∯WBG^converse 10:04, 26 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Amazon, FNAC, Flûte de Pan to name a few and all sites where they sell items (books or records). Now if you tell me it's allowed, I'll refer to them. LouisAlain (talk) 10:41, 26 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Yep. Links like this are perfectly acceptable as cites. ∯WBG^converse 11:29, 26 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

LouisAlain, you would be missed tremendously! - Others: what's better: a red interlanguage link, or a blue link as a bridge to the article in the other language? I know what I prefer. - I was recently admonished not to write a sloppy article on the German Wikipedia, - but then - before I had time to do something about it - three people helped, and it's on the Main page now, collected 6.5k views yesterday. - I think that Wikipedia is a collaborative effort, - and one of my favourite lines in the Christmas lyrics is "ban complaining". For atheists: Call is causelessly merry. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:21, 26 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Merci Gerda. LouisAlain (talk) 12:22, 26 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Quality vs quantity.......I ain't stepping there:-)

At any case, I'm busy writing my own articles but, if I manage to get some time, I will try to main-space these with due care. I spot-checked a few and most seems notable, at first glances:-) And that you have a far-greater expertise in the arena, won't it be wonderful, if you can help in the basic-referencing?!

On a side-note, Boleyn pulls off the (mostly-thankless) task of vetting new pages quite impressively and we need to understand that there are very good reasons behind our policies' demanding inline cites for a BLP. ∯WBG^converse 11:42, 26 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

You seem to have missed "if I had time" above. We still have Christmas, and I am with company, more important than anything on Wikipedia. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:28, 26 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Carola Nossek moved to draftspace

An article you recently created, Carola Nossek, does not have enough sources and citations as written to remain published. It needs more citations from reliable, independent sources. (?) Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of "Draft:" before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline and thus is ready for mainspace, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page. Boleyn (talk) 08:14, 26 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Boleyn, while I totally agree with your policy I wonder why you didn't move Symphony No. 2, "The Imp of the Perverse" and Rico Gulda among so many others to draftspace? Is your mind really set on me?

Ways to improve Marianne Schech

Hello, LouisAlain,

Welcome to Wikipedia and thanks for creating Marianne Schech! I edit here too, under the username Boleyn and it's nice to meet you :-)

I wanted to let you know that I have tagged the page as having some issues to fix, as a part of our page curation process and note that:-

Please add references.

The tags can be removed by you or another editor once the issues they mention are addressed. If you have questions, leave a comment here and prepend it with {{Re|Boleyn}}. And, don't forget to sign your reply with ~~~~ . For broader editing help, please visit the Teahouse.

Delivered via the Page Curation tool, on behalf of the reviewer.

Boleyn (talk) 07:56, 27 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I will take care of her next year, just too busy right now. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:25, 27 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Boleyn, can you please check before using a template that says "Welcome" how many thousands of articles a user created? - The one about Schch is already better than no article about her. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:28, 27 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

We'll have to agree to disagree on that one, Gerda Arendt. LouisAlain, you are choosing to create many more unreferenced articles - can you please stop? Perhaps translate articles which are referenced? The ones you are copying across, you have no idea if they are accurate. Boleyn (talk) 08:37, 27 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

We do disagree. Scheck was a leading singer at her time. It's a shame that we don't have an article, an a stub is a start. Again, I promise to take care of her. - Do we agree that welcoming a profilic editor is not the most personal thing to do? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:41, 27 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

It's not the most personal, yes. Boleyn (talk) 09:01, 27 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

If you see a personal relation for six years (above), and greetings from Voceditenore (above) who is sort oof project opera in person, can you please get a bit more personal? - I changed my mind: I'll do Schech today. I do only one a day. --

Boleyn you win: I'm through with translations and will focus now on details such as categories, authority control, portals, external links, ^{[citation needed]} (I'll have an open field here) etc. You haven't even answered my above question as regards 2 articles without the slightest ref. and didn't care either to tag them. I now see how biased you are.

Whether long or short, some people will always have something to complain about the articles I create. You seem to prefer no articles at all rather than one which meets the basics of Wiki: Portals, categories, pictures, authority control, dates and places.

I have my fill with opening my T.P everyday to discover another of your messages. I want to be alone.

Hallo Gerda

LouisAlain, your response above doesn't match my messages. I'm not trying to 'win' or discourage you from translations, just to discourage you from creating articles if you can find no references for them. WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS (including other articles you have mentioned) but I am working, mainly, on the New Page Patrol and stopping that amount expanding. I am sorry that my messages have upset you. Boleyn (talk) 09:01, 27 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The German Wikipedia works differently from ours. They typically have a section Literature where the things are given on which an article is based. - I'd agree with concerns about missing references for non-notable people, but not for those who are notable enough to have an article in a different Wikipedia. Louis-Alain, please consider taking care of the red links in fresh FA Schloss Ludwigsburg, and thank you for those you did already! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:27, 27 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Let's get real

Boleyn, do you know what "authority control" means? It gives references to the person in respected directories such as the French and German libraries. Please stop saying "no references" for biographies where it isn't empty. For Schech, it's rich.

LouisAlain, authority control is your friend, for dates of birth and death. German has a separate page (for her: pages, 81 entries of works, which can be cited.

Next ref always is Großes Sängerlexikon, [4]. This is a German singer who appeared at the MET.

This book is good for recordings. - I have company, and little time, but will do later today if nobody beats me to it. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:50, 27 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Gerda, I've looked at Schloss Ludwigsburg red links and would be happy to oblige but that means being met again with remarks regarding the lack of online references. By dint of rambling on the de. Wikipedia, I've learned they don't use online citations over there as is the case here and that the authors of the articles use the book(s) they mention as sources for the information. I was about to work on Johann Christoph David von Leger [de] where there isn't one online citation. I have no online evidence that 1741 wurde Leger in den Adelsstand erhoben nor that he was born in Veitsweiler [de] u.s.w.

Another sysop (somewhere above) asked me to give references in English because we were on the English Wikipedia. Like Johann Christoph David von Leger was mentionned somewhere in English (save in the Library of Congress perhaps)!

My rule: No translation of articles that would be orphan here. Since Boleyn has masked some 20 new articles, there are some 60+ existing articles here with links to deleted articles. Talk of being constructive!

I need a break

LouisAlain (talk) 17:28, 27 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Take your break, and I'll do something for Schech, but it's close to midnight ... --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:58, 27 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Autopatrolled

Hi LouisAlain. Given the concerns above about un- or under-referenced articles, I have removed the autopatrolled right from your account. This isn't a judgement on the quality of your contributions, just a recognition that these articles may benefit from a second pair of eyes. Thank you for your hard work. – Joe (talk) 12:29, 29 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Joe, I didn't even know what the autopatrolled right mean so no big deal here. Your friendly message is just another sign that 2019 will be the termination of my presence on Wikipedia like I've seen it coming from the beginning. Since we never "met" before, I wonder who may have informed you about the issue you mention. I have my suspicion though. Have a nice day. LouisAlain (talk) 12:36, 29 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

LouisAlain, please think about how sad that would make me. - There seems to be a test for "mechanically" checking for a references section, rather regardless of context and notability. So, simple remedy, you take the list of works rom the French and/or German National Library and format it as an inline citation. Problem solved. Mensch, ärgere dich nicht. Happy new year, and hopefully not without you. It's bad enough that people die. (Amos Oz, Raymond Arritt, too many.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:25, 29 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry that my message came across as unfriendly – that wasn't my intention. Feminist requested autopatrolled on your behalf in 2016. It exists purely to manage the workload new page patrol and has no effect on your ability to edit or create new pages. Administrators working at NPP regularly add and remove it at their discretion. I was made aware of the issue through a discussion at Wikipedia talk:New pages patrol/Reviewers#Reviewing 2. – Joe (talk) 19:09, 29 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

You are of course not mentioning the reason you began editing en.Wiki was because you are indeff blocked and banned on your home Wiki. It is of no interest to you who 'informed' on your refusal to comply with en.Wiki policies and guidelines. The point here is that two independent, uninvolved administrators are now concerned with this issue, and in case there were to be an escalation, our Wikipedia also has a BU. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 02:01, 30 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

And a last threat to boot! GOODBYE WIKIPEDIA LouisAlain (talk) 02:17, 30 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
There was no threat, but I will concede that you may not fully understand the English subjunctive. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 02:52, 30 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Atheist or not, I'd prefer you happy especially during Chrismastide, LouisAlain. Kudpung, I am here with the outcasts. People die, - we don't have to drive away helpful souls. I'd know nobody to ask for translations from French, such as Eugène de Mirecourt and Évron Abbey, to complement our featured articles. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:26, 30 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

2019

Die Zeit, die Tag und Jahre macht

Happy 2019 -

begin it with music and memories

Thank you for your help last year, and your good wishes, mentioning echoes of spring! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:51, 1 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]