User talk:Peter K Burian

See bio on my web site www.peterkburian.com

Welcome to Project Puerto Rico

You already merit being a member of the project because of your contributions and interest in the subjects related to Puerto Rico, therefore let me officially welcome you. Just place Wikipedia:WikiProject Puerto Rico in your "watchlist". Good luck and enjoy. Tony the Marine (talk) 15:57, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

OK, thanks, Tony the Marine. Nearly all of the numerous edits I have done are about the Economy, Demographics and the referendums on Statehood. These are my areas of interest. Peter K Burian (talk) 16:14, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

Peter, I Tony the Marine with great honor award you this "Boricua" Tireless Contributor Barnstar, not because you asked, but because you have earned it with your contributions. Tony the Marine (talk) 20:18, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

This Boricua Tireless Contributor Barnstar is presented to User:Peter K Burian for his continued work on Puerto Rican related articles. Presented by Tony the Marine (talk) 20:18, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

@Tony the Marine Thank you. By the way, I have been to Puerto Rico twice, only to San Juan, but I loved it. Peter K Burian (talk) 20:38, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

poorly formatted references

{{Editors tools}}

Please could you format your references correctly on John Brown (builder), you know how to do it! Theroadislong (talk) 16:50, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

Yes, I will. As usual, when I first do a major edit on an article, I use the brief format form. But I will fix them tomorrow. Peter K Burian (talk) 16:52, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

Although, as previously discussed in an earlier topic here...

  OK, I have the official word from an Admin On the English Wikipedia now. 

 :(talk page stalker) The citation template is to help combat link rot and assist with a consistent reference format. Its usage is a good practice, and you should use it if you have the time (Or use a tool like reFill to assist), but using a raw URL to source something is fine. Sourcing is more important than perfect CS1 templates.

Peter K Burian (talk) 16:54, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

Yours are not a bare url though, all that is visible is a number which isn't very helpful and makes more work for others. Theroadislong (talk) 16:59, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

Yes, the citations did become a number. I realized what was causing that and have since fixed that. Peter K Burian (talk) 17:22, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

Ref tools--Moxy (talk) 20

11, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

Help:Citation tools

• Google book tool Converts bare Google book urls into {{cite book}} format

.*refill - Edits bare references - adds title/dates etc. to bare references after there in the article.

OK,thanks Moxy, I tried refill on West Montrose, Ontario. It filled some in but was unable to fill in some others. I wonder if it did a good job? Peter K Burian (talk) 20:19, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Barnstar of Diligence
	Don't be discouraged by all the reverts and debates that happen. This is a normal part of Wikipedia. For instance User:Miesianiacal is someone I admire and respect but we still get into heated debates all the time. Keep up the good work. Moxy (talk) 17:13, 9 April 2017 (UTC)

Thanks, Moxy. When I do an edit, you can assume it was done in good faith. Labbatblueboy always does; he sometimes revises it, and occasionally deletes a bit, but we get along just fine. By the time we are done the article is always better. Peter K Burian (talk) 17:44, 9 April 2017 (UTC)

United

Hi, Peter. I enjoyed editing the United Express Flight 3411 incident article with you, including any reverts you had to make because of my hasty edits. I hope we meet again. --Uncle Ed (talk) 22:01, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

Thank you, Ed. This is an interesting story and developing constantly. I am definitely in favor of stating both sides of the story, whether critical of United or not. (Some of the content that was deleted sounded like a witch hunt.) Of course, there are not many favorable aspects, although starting April 11 (2nd press release) and then the April 12 comments on ABC TV, indicate that Munoz now understands the situation and what a responsible corporation should be doing. I am sure he will do just that.

I would also be happy to edit another article with you, Ed. Kind regards, Peter K Burian (talk) 22:14, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

Hey, Peter. I have a user page and can confirm to you I do indeed exist.MitchellLunger (talk) 05:47, 13 April 2017 (UTC)

Ok. good to know, Mitchell. I guess you were away for a while.. Cheers. Peter K Burian (talk) 13:00, 13 April 2017 (UTC)Peter K Burian 12:47, 13 April 2017 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Anti-fascism

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Done Peter K Burian (talk) 23:47, 18 April 2017 (UTC)

London, Ontario

Moved this discussion to the talk page of the article where other editors can see it and comment if they wish. Peter K Burian (talk) 23:16, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
	Awesome work on filling in and expanding histories of towns! Whpq (talk) 22:24, 23 April 2017 (UTC)

Thank you Whpq; the communities are small so not of huge interest but I feel they need to be more fully covered. I did not think anyone would notice. Thanks for doing so. Cheers, Peter K Burian (talk) 22:33, 23 April 2017 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:John Fleming (American politician)

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Done; added a comment in that Talk page. Peter K Burian (talk) 13:45, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

Your edits to Kingston, Ontario

Peter, thanks for providing more information on Kingston. I hope you can find a lot more. It's a fairly comprehensive article but by no means complete. I've been doing what I can to fill in many of the gaps over the years. I had to remove a sentence included in your edits about the city hall/market building being built because at the time it was believed Kingston would become the capital of Ontario. Ontario as a political entity didn't exist in the 1840s and wasn't even being thought of at the time. Kingston city hall was built in its opulent style because it's appearance was meant to reflect the city’s status as the capital of the new Province of Canada, which it became in 1841. There was, apparently, even talk of the city hall becoming the seat of government for the Province, which may have influenced its design. I also couldn't find any reference to the original assertion in the cited reference. BTW, I'm glad I'm not the only one who uses his real name when editing. And, BTW, I remember emailing you several years ago about a photography concept I didn't understand. You were most helpful. Cheers.-- BC  _{talk to me} 01:09, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for your kind comments, User:Brian Crawford. You are right about the sentence you deleted; it was in the source, but I realize it's wrong. Kingston had been the capital of the Province of Canada, and by 1844 it no longer was, so how would that concept be relevant in 1846? There was no such thing as Province of Ontario for some time yet.

  1846 source actually says this, referring to the Province of Canada, not Ontario, but even that seems incorrect: Handsome stone buildings were erected, and the inhabitants, supposing that Kingston would continue to be the capital of the Province, went to considerable expense in improving, not merely the public buildings, but also their places of business and private dwellings.  

Well, I wish I had never started to use my own name. I won't get into why but that's life.

Yes, I have been writing about photography for a long time, and yet, I rarely edit such articles here. Too much like a continuation of work. But if anyone writes me with a question, I am happy to help. btw, I found the e-mails we exchanged; about RAW file exposure, from March 2011.

OK, I will take a more detailed look at this article later this week and see what else I can do. I have worked on some that were much more difficult, small towns that had very, very few sources discussing them. e.g. St. Jacobs, Ontario; I really had to hunt to find sources. With a big city like this, it's easy to find articles and books about relevant aspects.

All the best, Peter K Burian (talk) 01:56, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

I can't believe you still had the emails. I find using my own name is more of a help than a hindrance. There's more of a personal level of contact and communication. You're communicating with a real person rather than some strange anonymous being. BTW, I was thinking of rearranging the history section of the Kingston article (and may be a good idea with other city articles) to be more in line with WP:City structure with the aim of giving it good article status. It would be a lot of work so it may take a while. I started doing this with starting an Etymology section. This my home town, hence my interest.  BC  _{talk to me} 06:16, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for reminding me of WP:City structure. I generally just modify content of articles about towns; have not thought about revising the format in accordance with the Structure. I will think about doing that with other articles too. Peter K Burian (talk) 14:22, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

I have revised the History section further, User:Brian Crawford. Revisions are welcome as you feel necessary. Peter K Burian (talk) 16:12, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

User:Brian Crawford This is the structure we should use for Canadian cities: Wikipedia:WikiProject Canadian communities/Structure guideline Peter K Burian (talk) 14:43, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

Peter K Burian This is almost the same as the WP:City structure but leaves out Etymology (which I think is important as a separate section) and Notable people. Not sure why the Wikipedia:WikiProject Canadian communities/Structure guideline leaves these important things out. Perhaps there should be modifications to the WikiProject Canadian Communities guidelines to reflect this?-- BC  _{talk to me} 17:53, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

@User:Brian Crawford: I created a Government section with some info; if you could beef that up a bit, that would be great. Peter K Burian (talk) 21:42, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

Well, User:Brian Crawford I suggested Etymology as a section for Canadian Cities, but so far, the first response is not positive. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Canadian_communities/Structure_guideline Peter K Burian (talk) 01:32, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

Peter K Burian I see his point. The etymology section used to be in the History section (which made sense), but it seemed out of place because of how the section was organized. And since the etymology was more complex (the community had more than one name) than the "vast majority of community articles", I separated it out per WP:City structure. I have no problem with placing it into the History section but it probably should be placed under its own subheading since it is more than just one paragraph. Remember this is a guideline only. BC  _{talk to me} 04:49, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

Agreed; guideline only. For the Kingston article, I will leave the handling of this issue in your hands. Peter K Burian (talk) 14:51, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

2016 Population, Metro: http://www12.statcan.gc.ca/census-recensement/2016/dp-pd/prof/details/page.cfm?Lang=E&Geo1=CMACA&Code1=521&Geo2=PR&Code2=47&Data=Count&SearchText=Kingston&SearchType=Begins&SearchPR=01&B1=All&GeoLevel=PR&GeoCode=521&TABID=1

2016 Population, city: http://www12.statcan.gc.ca/census-recensement/2016/dp-pd/prof/details/page.cfm?Lang=E&Geo1=POPC&Code1=0415&Geo2=PR&Code2=47&Data=Count&SearchText=Kingston&SearchType=Begins&SearchPR=01&B1=All&TABID=1

We should get Demographic section fully updated with 2016 data. Peter K Burian (talk) 15:17, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

@User:Brian Crawford Someone edited the population/demographics content quite extensively. Revision as of 22:21, 3 May 2017; you are more familiar with that content than I am so will leave it up to you to check the revised version. Peter K Burian (talk) 22:36, 3 May 2017 (UTC)

Edits are fine. Probably no need for the table; just a summary in the text is okay. Also, there was some unsourced and outdated content that were validly removed.  BC  _{talk to me} 23:16, 3 May 2017 (UTC)

Always nice to have a third editor making the article better. Peter K Burian (talk) 23:29, 3 May 2017 (UTC)

My sources

All the books I use I list at our bio pages....Many are readable aND searchable....some more scholarly then others but all used in articles.--Moxy (talk) 04:19, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:List of manufacturers by motor vehicle production

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Done; commented. Peter K Burian (talk) 14:39, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

A beer for you!

Thanks for your work on the London Ontario wiki page! I noticed a few months back that it needed a lot of love. Glad someone has helped bring it up to speed. Cheers!! Database1987 Database1987 (talk) 13:37, 5 May 2017 (UTC)

YEAH, a beer is better than a Barnstar, Database1987. I am updating the articles about a lot of comunities in Southern Ontario. Cheers, Peter K Burian (talk) 14:43, 5 May 2017 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Muhammad

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Done; I added my comment. Peter K Burian (talk) 16:24, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

Colossus

Hi. I'm afraid that saying that Tommy Flowers used "much of his own funds to build" Colossus is wrong. I am a volunteer guide in the Tunny and Colossus galleries at The National Museum Of Computing at Bletchley Park and have read extensively around the subject. Flowes' own paper "Flowers, T. H. (1983), "The Design of Colossus", Annals of the History of Computing, 5 (3): 239–252" does not support the idea. Unfortunately, neither of the two authors that you cite in support of this, is reliable about such matters. I have put a comment on the Talk page and expect support from other editors, but even if not, I plan to change your edit. At the moment I can't lay my hands on the source that says something to the effect of "he even used some of his own funds" but implies it was only for a small part of the whole. When I find it, I will cite it in the article. --TedColes (talk) 06:54, 13 May 2017 (UTC)

I think that it is wrong to describe the cryptanalysts who programmed Colossus as Bill Tutte's team. Despite his quite outstanding achievement, Tutte was quie junior in a team that was led by Max Newman.--TedColes (talk) 20:42, 13 May 2017 (UTC)

Hmm, OK, you might be write. Revise it as you feel is correct. He was junior so I suppose he would not have been the team leader yet.

    .. It took eight weeks of intense mental effort by a Bill Tutte, a young chemistry graduate only recently recruited from Cambridge, to crack the cipher. In the days before computers he achieved this intellectual tour de force using nothing more ...

Peter K Burian (talk) 01:12, 14 May 2017 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Office of Victims of Immigration Crime Engagement

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I was away on vacation so was not able to post a comment in time for it to be relevant. Peter K Burian (talk) 00:09, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Otto Warmbier

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Done; posted comment. Peter K Burian (talk) 00:08, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

Invitation

Hi Peter, thanks for your recent contributions to the Musitano crime family. If you have further interest, there is a WikiProject: Wikipedia:WikiProject Organized crime. Regards, and have a good Canada Day! Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 13:59, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

ok. Did you see today's Star article about mafia in Woodbridge? Blew up a cafe yesterday. Peter K Burian (talk) 14:05, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

yeah that's nuts https://www.thespec.com/news-story/7399780-woodbridge-caf-explosion-suggests-mob-tensions-heating-up-/ I'm curious to find more info on this. Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 14:19, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

Hi Peter. There seems to be conflicting sources between the Spec and the Star on the Musitano brothers release date of October 2006, or October 2007... Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 11:25, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

Hmmm... yeah... I did a google search specifying the period from October to December 2016. And yes, they were paroled in Oct. 2016

https://www.pressreader.com/canada/national-post-latest-edition/20061004/281517926608877 (I will add this as a citation to confirm Oct. 2016)

And, http://www.onewal.com/mn200612.pdf See page 10. So, I am pretty sure it was 2016. Peter K Burian (talk) 11:49, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

You mean 2006, right :) Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 12:08, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

Sorry, yes, 2006.

Here is another article that definitively confirms they were released in 2006. I also added that citation.

(Angelo was re-arrested in March 2007 for an alleged parole violation. He was held in the minimum security Frontenac Institution NOT PRISON until June 2007 when the parole Board decided not to return him to prison.) https://www.pressreader.com/canada/national-post-latest-edition/20070606/281608121011083%7Cpublisher=National Post|date=6 June 2007 Peter K Burian (talk) 13:01, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

Thanks. What do you make of Kenneth Murdock some sources say 13 years, some say 10. Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 13:08, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

Yeah, that was all wrong. I corrected it.

  Murdock was sentenced to three consecutive life terms on the second degree murder convictions and was eligible for parole in 13 years. He was granted day parole in December 2011.https://www.thespec.com/news-story/2250337-kenny-murdock-mob-boss-papalia-s-killer-gets-new-identity/http://nationalpost.com/news/canada/convicted-mob-killer-now-free-impressing-parole-board-by-not-getting-in-altercation-with-angry-motorist/wcm/89dd7ce9-0a18-4a06-b047-38f67e8ebb57 ..http://www.niagarafallsreview.ca/2014/07/12/hitman-out-on-full-parole-after-three-murders Since his release, he relocated to British Columbia and works as a truck driver under his changed surname, Bishop. "Hit man who took out mob boss starting a new life as B.C. trucker after years in jail". nationalpost.com. 24 July 2012. Retrieved 10 December 2016.https://www.thespec.com/news-story/2250337-kenny-murdock-mob-boss-papalia-s-killer-gets-new-identity/  

Peter K Burian (talk) 14:08, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Longquan celadon

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OK, I posted my views on the Talk page of that article. Peter K Burian (talk) 20:55, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

Please comment on Template talk:Infobox former country

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OK, I posted feedback. Peter K Burian (talk) 14:19, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

Please comment on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Airports

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I have posted feedback comment. Peter K Burian (talk) 17:57, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

Avro Canada CF-105 Arrow

FYI: User talk:Parsecboy#Edit war.3F Your edits, and their reversion, are being discussed here. Andy Dingley (talk) 23:49, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

I see a discussion but I don't see my name mentioned. Peter K Burian (talk) 23:59, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

OK, I did find the area you meant, Andy. Peter K Burian (talk) 01:22, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:2017

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Done; I added my feedback. Peter K Burian (talk) 20:47, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Battle of Mosul (2016–17)

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Done; I added my feedback. Peter K Burian (talk) 15:31, 6 August 2017 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Whataboutism

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Done; I added my feedback. Peter K Burian (talk) 14:30, 12 August 2017 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Standstill agreement (India)

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I have posted feedback on that page. Peter K Burian (talk) 21:51, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

Parameter

Since you probably have better knowledge on acceptable usage of parameters on Template:Infobox former country, I would appreciate it if you could chime in on the discussion at Talk:British Somaliland. 92.13.137.81 (talk) 22:29, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

I can do that but which Talk topic in particular would be more useful for me to read? Peter K Burian (talk) 22:42, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

The back and forth between me and Kzl isn't really going anywhere. But the source I used here describes Khatumo as a state. The source he used to counter me actually corroborates that Khatumo is a state through its usage of the word maamulka which means "state" in the Somali language. Furthermore, both the Somaliland map here, and Somalia map here suggest Khatumo is a separate territory. 92.13.137.81 (talk) 22:55, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

So are proto-states permitted mention in such an infobox? 92.13.137.81 (talk) 23:43, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

Honestly, no. Sometimes, it's time to give up the debate and move on. Peter K Burian (talk) 00:42, 19 August 2017 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Massacre of Verden

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Done, added my feedback with a link to several history books to confirm. Peter K Burian (talk) 16:07, 24 August 2017 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Bay Area Rapid Transit

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OK, I posted Feedback on that Talk page. Peter K Burian (talk) 21:00, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Google's Ideological Echo Chamber

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Done. Peter K Burian (talk) 13:02, 7 September 2017 (UTC)

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Date formats

Thanks for your updates to the Governor General articles today, but please respect the established date formats. The two you touched both had Month Day, Year format. It's easy enough to fix that though, and I have done so. Walter Görlitz (talk) 00:07, 3 October 2017 (UTC)

Oh, right. I was sure that in Canada we wrote it as 2 October 2017. But you are correct, if the entire article uses another format, we should be consistent. Peter K Burian (talk) 00:54, 3 October 2017 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:State atheism

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I would add feedback but that Talk topic is closed!

  The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

I posted a new question to the Talk page to ask where feedback should be posted. Peter K Burian (talk) 13:59, 4 October 2017 (UTC)

Accidental Click

Good morning! My apologies for accidentally reverting your comment on Talk:State atheism. I have that page on my watchlist and my sensitive mouse clicked the "rollback" button. I hope you are doing well! With regards, Anupam^Talk 15:09, 4 October 2017 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Stephen Miller (political advisor)

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Done. Peter K Burian (talk) 22:11, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

Reliably sourcing medical information

Hi. I had to revert your recent (all nearly identical) additions to articles about sweeteners. In the case of stevia, the article you cited has nothing to do with the subject. For the other sweeteners aspartame, saccharin, and splenda (although sucralose may have been a better choice), you inserted medical information that treads dangerously into medical advice (which must be reverted on sight), and cites Time magazine, which isn't a reliable source for such information. That article in Time is useless because it relies on one study and mostly verbal quotations from interviews. The JAMA article linked by Time seems like a primary source, which we try to avoid when imparting medical information. See WP:MEDDEF for a definition of the types of medical sources. ~Anachronist (talk) 17:23, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

@Anachronist Well, IMHO, TIME does such thorough fact checking that we can believe their summary of the research. The key here is that everything I have read indicates that artificial sweeteners do increase the odds of weight gain. But no other source that I found really described why it does so.

I feel that readers really should understand the reason, instead of simply being told that a sweetener may lead to a weight increase. (Knowledge vs. information) I have revised the Saccharin article, with citations that lead to scholarly journals. These are not as useful in describing the why, but are the best that I could find.

REVISION: The drawback to any artificial sweetener is that it can increase weight gain because it is sweet and hence, encourages a desire for foods that do contain sucrose. According to research, the sweeteners do not activate the brain's "food reward pathways" as sugar does. Because sweetener does not provide full satisfaction, the user may search for, and then ingest, additional high-calorie foods. https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/healthy-drinks/artificial-sweeteners/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2892765/

Also see page 201 of this book, summarizing the Yang Report. https://books.google.ca/books?id=uD-ECNpLtAsC&pg=PA147&dq=sweeteners+lead+to+weight+gain+because+FOOD+REWARD+PATHWAYS&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjsqrfnj4_XAhWB5YMKHauNDeUQ6AEIKDAA#v=onepage&q=sweeteners%20lead%20to%20weight%20gain%20because%20FOOD%20REWARD%20PATHWAYS&f=false

Peter K Burian (talk) 20:27, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

Um... Time's reputation for fact checking is spotty, in my experience. For example, the Time article mentions stevia but the study doesn't mention it at all. That hardly qualifies as fact-checking and accuracy, it's what we'd call WP:SYNTHESIS. Very sloppy on their part. And the whole article is based on that single study (not what Wikipedia would consider a citable secondary or tertiary source) to make claims about sweeteners, and they pepper the article with personal quotes expressing opinions. This is definitely not something we can cite for medical information.

Your revision is an improvement, although you are editorializing by describing weight gain as a "drawback". WP:NPOV prohibits us from telling readers what to think. Just state the facts, which would be accomplished by removing the whole first sentence (which I have done in saccharin). I also disagree that this same text belongs verbatim in every article about an artificial sweetener; a short sentence in sugar substitute would suffice.

Google Books is a bit capricious in the pages it offers up; the page you referenced is not available to me. ~Anachronist (talk) 21:24, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

This is from the Aspertame article. It cites the Azad report. If it is acceptable in that section, why not in the section that I had revised?

  As of 2017 evidence does not support a long-term benefit for weight loss or in diabetes. Azad, Meghan B.; Abou-Setta, Ahmed M.; Chauhan, Bhupendrasinh F.; Rabbani, Rasheda; Lys, Justin; Copstein, Leslie; Mann, Amrinder; Jeyaraman, Maya M.; Reid, Ashleigh E.; Fiander, Michelle; MacKay, Dylan S.; McGavock, Jon; Wicklow, Brandy; Zarychanski, Ryan (16 July 2017). "Nonnutritive sweeteners and cardiometabolic health: a systematic review and meta-analysis of randomized controlled trials and prospective cohort studies". Canadian Medical Association Journal. 189 (28): E929–E939. doi:10.1503/cmaj.161390. PMC 5515645.  

http://www.cmaj.ca/content/189/28/E929

name=San2017/> Because its breakdown products include phenylalanine, people with the genetic condition phenylketonuria (PKU) must be aware of this as an additional source. "FDA2015">"Additional Information about High-Intensity Sweeteners Permitted for use in Food in the United States". FDA. U.S. Food and Drug Administration. 26 May 2015. Retrieved 28 June 2017. 

Peter K Burian (talk) 21:18, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

See my reply above. I think sugar substitute would be more appropriate, but your revision to saccharin is OK after I removed the first sentence. ~Anachronist (talk) 21:24, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

This excerpt from Artificial sweeteners also quotes the Azad study.

  ===Weight gain===

  A 2017 review did not find evidence supporting the use of non-nutritive sweeteners for weight loss, with a possible association of routine consumption with weight gain and risk of heart disease.   "Azad2017">Azad, Meghan B.; Abou-Setta, Ahmed M.; Chauhan, Bhupendrasinh F.; Rabbani, Rasheda; Lys, Justin; Copstein, Leslie; Mann, Amrinder; Jeyaraman, Maya M.; Reid, Ashleigh E.; Fiander, Michelle; MacKay, Dylan S.; McGavock, Jon; Wicklow, Brandy; Zarychanski, Ryan (16 July 2017). "Nonnutritive sweeteners and cardiometabolic health: a systematic review and meta-analysis of randomized controlled trials and prospective cohort studies". Canadian Medical Association Journal. 189 (28): E929–E939. doi:10.1503/cmaj.161390.  A 2010 review concluded there is a correlation between consumption of artificially sweetened beverages and weight gain in children, but that no clear causal link has been determined. "Brown RJ">Brown, R. J.; de Banate, M. A.; Rother, K. I. (August 2010). "Artificial sweeteners: a systematic review of metabolic effects in youth". International Journal of Pediatric Obesity. 5 (4): 305–312. doi:10.3109/17477160903497027. PMC 2951976. PMID 20078374. Research has shown that the consumption of artificial sweeteners weakens the association of sweet taste as a food cue with post-ingestive caloric sensory. In turn, this can lead to the over-consumption of high-calorie sweet tasting foods when eaten in a diet alongside artificial sweeteners, which may cause weight gain.Davidson T. L., Sample C. H., Swithers S. E. (2014). "An Application of Pavlovian Principles to the Problems of Obesity and Cognitive Decline". Neurobiology of Learning and Memory. 108: 172–184. doi:10.1016/j.nlm.2013.07.014.{{cite journal}}:  CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link)

Peter K Burian (talk) 21:43, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

@Anachronist I am honestly not trying to be difficult, but it was definitely the TIME article that twigged me onto this topic. And with additional research today, I have become even more convinced that the sweetener articles need to specify that these products most likely do not aid in weight loss; quite the contrary is likely. The 2017 Azad report is important because it is so recent. And it is quoted and cited in some articles, so I should also be able to do so.

See my most recent edit ... I copied some of the content (apparently approved) from Artificial sweeteners including the citation to the Azad report. In my reasons for the edit, I clearly indicated that it had been copied from that article. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stevia#History Peter K Burian (talk) 21:51, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

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Hey Peter, thanks for the additions to Paolo Violi about his sons. I think some of this may be realted to the Buffalo crime family as well as a user was adding a bunch of stuff to that page, some of it wrongly and POV, and to the lead instead of sectioned. If interested, please take a look, you might be able to do a good job to clean it up. Thanks. Regards, Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 15:58, 16 November 2017 (UTC)

Hmmm. I think it's the NYC mob but will check later today. p.

Yeah, User:Vaselineeeeeeee; they are all in New York City, not Buffalo. See https://www.justice.gov/usao-edny/pr/members-and-associates-gambino-and-bonanno-organized-crime-families-arrested Peter K Burian (talk) 19:45, 16 November 2017 (UTC)

Okay...there must be some misunderstanding with the user adding it to the Buffalo crime family then... look where it says in the lead "However, in November of 2017 the US Justice Department and Canadian newspapers indicate the family..." he even uses one of the sources about the Violi brothers we used at Paolo Violi's page. Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 20:01, 16 November 2017 (UTC)

I have not checked that article but I just updated the ones about the Bonnano and Gambino crime family. Will do later. Peter K Burian (talk) 20:26, 16 November 2017 (UTC)

OK, I checked it User:Vaselineeeeeeee. It might not be appropriate for me to Revert a major edit on an article to which I had never contributed before. I did post a note about it in the TALK page however. You might want to check that and reply to my post.

However, some of the U.S. articles did mention something about the Todero family although I did not notice anything specific about that family or anything about Buffalo. Peter K Burian (talk) 20:33, 16 November 2017 (UTC)

OK, I read the text AND the two articles that are cited. The quotes are fine. IMHO, the Buffalo crime family article is fine now, with your edits and those of BuffCity. Peter K Burian (talk) 21:42, 16 November 2017 (UTC)

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