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Mark Textor

The Mark Textor article is a disgrace. It was written by Market maven (talk · contribs) (who also contributed to the related Lynton Crosby) and would seem to breach Wikipedia:Autobiography. It is self-serving and fails to mention any controversy of which there are plenty - that we allow such non-neutral articles is very embarrassing. I have put some links on the talk page. If anybody wants to take it up I would be very pleased. I will get to it at some stage but can't right now --Golden Wattle ^talk 22:52, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Note also the contributions of 165.228.99.187 (talk · contribs) - possibly related given the scope of the articles. Promotion of the firm in a favourable light seems to be the agenda, eg [1], [2] and [3].--Golden Wattle ^talk 23:01, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm sure the article could do with some improvement, but I'm actually glad that he hasn't touched on the controversies, as it may be better to have no content on the controversies than biased content. Market maven seems to have prioritised boring overview stuff instead of controversy, whereas many wikipedians thrive on controversy. Andjam 03:49, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

I read it as an advert. I note also that a mention of Lynton Crosby was modified to reduce the controversial aspects by using weasel words, possibly justifiably but I really wonder. My concern is the breach of Wikipedia:Autobiography, the promotion in the John Howard article ... and the controversies if you read the links I have provided on the talk page are many. Biassed content would not be created if the first principles of wikipedia:autobiography had been observed - don't edit articles about yourself.--Golden Wattle ^talk 03:55, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

When making negative statements about a person in article space, it's probably a good idea to use inline citations rather than just listing references at the end of an article. With regards to "[reducing] the controversial aspects by using weasel words", are you referring to this edit? It has weasel words sure, but I don't exactly see it as reducing controversy. Andjam 22:15, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

I bleieve all my edits to the Mark Textor article are supported by inline citations - see diff.--Golden Wattle ^talk 02:36, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

My apologies - I was looking at the Lynton Crosby article, and you weren't responsible for the negative accusations there. Andjam 03:00, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Infobox vote

A proposal on including cadastral units in the Australian place infobox? Vote here --Astrokey44 12:10, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

independent review needed

Could somebody please review and remark on recent history of articles such as Solar updraft tower and EnviroMission? It appears that some of the references have been replaced by blog entries (maybe a highly respected and reliable blog, I don't know). Around June-July last year these articles received a lot of attention, culminating in Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2006-07-12 Solar Updraft Tower but eventually the main editors found something better to do. The accusations at the time were biased POV and original research. User talk:ScottDavis#JdH response to /Archive 7#solar tower. As I was accused of inserting EnviroMission propaganda against Wikipedia policy last time, I'd prefer someone else to have a look instead. Thanks. --Scott Davis ^Talk 13:29, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Solar updraft tower looks ok at the moment... not a bad article at all with all of the references appearing reliable and no dodgy external links I can see. As for EnviroMission I've removed the two blog links as the author only has 1 news hit and so is probably not a recognised authority. Treehugger.com certainly seems to be an acceptable link though and all of the other links are now to news sources, government or the companies website. - Peripitus (Talk) 03:51, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. Did the removal of some of the text and references by JdH on March 10 also look reasonable? The article used to be longer, and I don't believe that editor is neutral, however he does appear to be knowledgeable in the field. --Scott Davis ^Talk 10:55, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Looking through a random 50 edits - he seems clearly knowledgeable but I can't really pick the neutrality. In regards to the March 10 removals.#1 - removing a link to what is close to a press release and is not referenced in the article looks ok. #2 seems to be removing some crystalballism and promotional or it could be content removal - my ignorance on the subject lets me down here. All up the article could not be much longer without effectively re-reporting what the company has told news outlets and they've slavishly printed. Until they build the thing it's just another listed startup- Peripitus (Talk) 11:42, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

OK - thanks. Perhaps I was showing a bias. The previous version showed the five-year history of "it will be built in two years" stuff. Maybe that belongs somewhere, but not Wikipedia. --Scott Davis ^Talk 12:03, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Are you referring to Rohar1? Rohar1 identifies himself as Robert J. Rohatensky, see http://www.shpegs.org/index.html and SHPEGS. I think he is knowledgeable, but in view of the fact that he is promoting a "competing" project I do have some concerns wrt neutrality. JdH 08:47, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Map request

Perth

Adelaide

Melbourne

Newcastle

Central Coast

Sydney

Queensland

Wellington

Is anyone aware of a map like this one http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Australia.png , except:

• SVG format
• Accurate state borders
• includes New Zealand

?

I'd like to re-do this one, except use text labels so that it can easily be used for other sports which have a NZ team(s) in their league such as rugby league, basketball, and netball. (An Australia-only version would be good for Aussie rules and rugby union as well).

(Note I didn't include a thumb of the first map here, as it is located at commons and a duplicate named image is on en.wikipedia.org) -- Chuq 05:30, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Update: I'm going to use this one in the meantime but an SVG version with state borders would be better! -- Chuq 23:31, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Why would you want to include New Zealand anyway :-) DXRAW 10:58, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Because most major Australian sports leagues have a NZ team in them :P Oh and by the way, I have put one of these maps live at A-League#Clubs. -- Chuq 11:05, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

It would be great if you could combine them with text labels, as on User:Zondor/Labelled Map Documentation. Also an inset for Melbourne might be a good idea for the AFL one --Astrokey44 01:05, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

See updated example from A-League shown at right. I"m not really sure about the AFL ones as I didn't think there was much geographical significance to the Melbourne teams? -- Chuq 05:50, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Looks great! Maybe it should go in a template so that you dont have to put all the code on the article itself. AFL team rivalries talks about neighbouring teams so there is some significance.--Astrokey44 08:44, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Boatsheds - are they an Aussie Icon?

Having grown up with boatsheds here on Port Phillip Bay, I was surprised not to find an article on the subject when I first went looking. This led me to wonder whether they are peculiarly Australian, or whether they're known by another name in other countries. I've since created a small article, complete with a nice photo taken by yours truly, but it could do with some expanding. Any ideas? Ian Fieggen 06:44, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

I've never seen anything of the sort anywhere in Queensland (so much so that on my last visit to Victoria I gawked like an idiot tourist at the ones you have down there). Lankiveil 07:07, 17 March 2007 (UTC).

They look like the classic English beach huts that now change hand for tens of thousands of pounds. I suspect beach boat sheds are prevalent wherever you'd want to take a boat on the water, which excludes the English channel or North Sea. --Steve _(Slf67) ^talk 07:37, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, the beach huts (aka "bathing boxes") are very similar, though much smaller and minus the boat launching ramp, as they were generally only intended for people, not boats. According to my 76yo father, Port Phillip Bay had them also, and recalls one burning down on Edithvale beach. I haven't seen any bathing boxes for years - are there still any? Ian Fieggen 23:37, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Both Indented Head and Avalon Beach are known for having plenty of boat sheds. There's some pictured in the former article. -- Longhair\^talk 23:40, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

I didn't mean boatsheds, I meant bathing boxes - are there still any? I don't know of any around my neck of the woods (Port Phillip Bay). Ian Fieggen 00:37, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Hey Ian, there are still some around Port Phillip Bay and they're generally expensive to buy. It is not that unusual to hear of one being vandalised or burned down, as your father recalls. They seem to be easy targets for vandals. There was one at Dromana that was set fire to a couple of years ago. Sarah 04:43, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Quite a few at Dromana when I was there in 2003. Scattering of them at locations up the east side of the bay at places like Sandringham. Orderinchaos78 14:03, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

new collaboration of the fortnight is relations with the United Nations

Irrigation in Australia was Australian Collaboration of the fortnight from 4 March 2007 to 18 March 2007

• the article did not exist when nominated, so all content is related to this nomination
• 6 contributors made 38 edits
• See how it changed during the collaboration

The new collaboration is an entirely new article named Australia and the United Nations which was nominated recently but rapidly collected the necessary support. Please help to make it a valuable contribution to Wikipedia. --Scott Davis ^Talk 12:15, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Afds on this page

Can whoever removes every AfD as soon as they are completed please not do so - Australian AfDs should be left up for a day or so on this page so that people can see the outcome of each discussion. They're being removed immediately and it becomes hard to track what's been happening where. JRG 06:44, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

You can always look to the page history. The list would become unwieldy if we didn't limit it to current debates.--cj | talk 06:55, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Exactly. That list is for people to be able to access current debates which are open. If you want to view closed ones, use the log. Daniel Bryant 13:45, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

I didn't say that we should keep every closed debate - I asked that they not be removed straightaway. A 24 hour gap is not unreasonable. JRG 05:01, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Why not add AfD's of interest to your watchlist? -- Longhair\^talk 08:35, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Because AfDs open and close all the time - it's too much work - leaving them on there even for 24 hours allows me and others to see the outcome of the debate without forgetting what was there beforehand. JRG 13:34, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Jimbo on Australia Talks

If you're interested, you can get a podcast of Jimbo talking on Radio National's Australia Talks here. Hesperian 06:51, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Good interview, with the founder debate ("the founder, not the co-founder!" says Jimmy), Brandt, Essjay, Bomis and even Peter Hollingworth popping up.--cj | talk 08:08, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

How awesome is the ten year old? hehe :) --pfctdayelise (talk) 11:42, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

I liked the Peter Hollingworth bit... he complained that Wikipedia accurately copied things from newspapers where the original news article's facts were wrong. Sort of a nice back-handed compliment - Peripitus (Talk) 11:47, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

And I totally agree with the guy at 22:15. (newspapers are hardly infallible.) --pfctdayelise (talk) 11:58, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Any idea who the "RAF hero killed by communists in Malaysia" was? One of the callers (Gordon from New Norfolk) seemed a bit miffed that he wasn't the subject of a Wikipedia article. I'd be happy to start one, but the name of the fellow in question was not mentioned. --Canley 12:47, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Category List of rage guest programmers

Has been put up as a category for deletion. but I want some input from Aussies. link —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Farsouth (talk • contribs) 03:23, 27 March 2007 (UTC).

I've added it to the Candidates for Deletion box above. --Canley 03:43, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Dude, where's my country?

Citizendium launched yesterday. It currently does not have an article on Australia. I know that you can't produce everything at once, but even conservapedia has a half decent article! 12:18, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

I love the way that Conservapædia is all backwards about what "liberal" means. It's my favourite parody website! To get back on topic, I don't have more letters after my name than in it, so I doubt that Citizendium wants me. Lankiveil 12:31, 27 March 2007 (UTC).