Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Women's sport

Transgender?

What about 'Transwomen' and sports ? Sfan00 IMG (talk) 21:32, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

Added a reference to it in scope. When I start fine tuning the project more, I will keep that issue in mind. --LauraHale (talk) 03:52, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

Welcome!

Hey Women's Sports Project! A big welcome from the College Football Project! We will be happy to coordinate with you and help you expand articles stemming from the List of female American football players or anything else you may need!--Paul McDonald (talk) 18:27, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

Statement of gender

I've just made an edit on Ice Hockey World Championships denoting that it is a men's tournament – a simple and obvious distinction which had not been made explicit before. Having a cursory glance, our articles on Major League Baseball and the National Football League do not make this distinction either. Even Premier League (a featured article) fails to tell the reader the exclusive gender of its participants.

Such presentations (presumably unintentional ones made by male editors) serve only to (a) underline the bias of sporting culture in favour of men and (b) perpetuate the underlying idea that there is "sport" and "women's sport". While improving Wikipedia's coverage of women's sport is the foremost purpose of this project, we should also try to counteract these notions in articles on men's sport. In Synchronized swimming—a principally female sport—half the lead is dedicated to covering the position of men in the sport. Yet, it goes unspoken that women are excluded in the three above articles (and i assume many more) – a fact which by its very omission says that this exclusion is not important. If the exclusion were done by any other means rather than gender (race, culture etc), we would doubtless give this aspect much attention. SFB 20:53, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

The articles don't make the distinction in your examples because they allow women to play. Just no women have managed to attain the level required to play at that high a level. You need to be careful when making such changes as saying its a men's league when there are no rules barring women is inaccurate. -DJSasso (talk) 21:08, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

This is a frequent kind of error actually. What often happens is that amateur and pro leagues and their scholastic counterparts are generally set up to discourage or ignore attempts at female participation, resulting in no girls/women with the skills to compete at higher levels. As this has been written about many times in reliable sources, some kind of overall article on discrimination and women's sport[s] would be useful, and could be linked to from articles like the one Sillyfolkboy mentions. There's a lot of info available from old newspapers that clearly shows this sort of bias going back to the 1800s, and I've seen various modern pieces on the topic as well; i.e., it's not only a current concern but has a rich history. I think this would be about 1000% more encyclop[a]edically productive than either trying to add usually untrue allegations that particular professional leagues are sexist (rather than everything leading up to them) or creating article after article after article that consists of little but examples of such segregation on a local, per-sport basis, as has been done in Category:Women's sport in Australia. Most of those articles needs to merge, though I'm declining to participate in them any further due to conflicts with their principal author becoming too irritating. The content of this sort gathered so far would be best used in a wider and less parochial piece about the undeniable stunting of women's participation in sports. And a Women's sport in Australia article could, per WP:SUMMARY style, be more encyclopedic than a bunch of hopeless micro-stubs like Women's archery in Australia, Women's boxing in Australia, etc. Some of the sport-specific articles do report on notable, organized sporting as in Women's golf in Australia. But not every single recognizable sport needs a separate "Women's [sport name] in [place]" content fork, only those where cultural context generates a distinctive phenomenon of note. This is why we don't have separate "[race] [activity name] in [place]", "[sexual preference] [activity name] in [place]" or any other articles on random triple-intersections of demographic, verb and location. — SMcCandlish Talk⇒ ʕ(^Õل^ō)ˀ Contribs. 17:55, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

Put the flogger down and step away from the dead horse. Hawkeye7 (talk) 20:14, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

@DJSasso: That's not necessarily true. There are several instances where women have qualified to participate in professional leagues or tournaments and have been told they cannot participate solely because of their gender and instead have to compete in the women's league or women's tournament. The U.S. Open, for example, is known for explicitly excluding women from the main tournament (although I'm not sure if this is still the case). I believe this sort of gender discrimination is legal so long as an "equivalent" women's version exists. This is also why, for example, men are generally excluded from participating in women's leagues although they could potentially qualify. The trick, however, is that the women's leagues/tournaments are rarely "equivalent" in terms of money, prestige, media coverage, etc. Kaldari (talk) 18:15, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

The qualification criteria are a bit of a smokescreen to be honest. Even if women are technically allowed to participate, the fact that these competitions go on with just one gender in reality is enough to make a statement saying as such in the article. Leaving discrimination issues aside, it's an encyclopaedic failing not to mention gender at all when gender is a defining aspect of a competition. SFB 18:57, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

I was referring specifically to the ones linked to in the comment I was replying to. There are definitely competitions that do specifically bar women. But the ones in the comment I was replying to do not. -DJSasso (talk) 19:47, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

Any comment on my rationale for adding a men's descriptor to the Premier League article and you subsequent reversion? SFB 22:52, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

Lehigh Valley Rollergirls

The Lehigh Valley Rollergirls article is currently nominated for deletion. One editor commented to ask that the deletion be mentioned here. Warofdreams talk 11:04, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

Table Tennis

We recently had a donation of images from the International Table Tennis Federation to Commons. There are various images of female and male tennis table players in action, so perhaps it might interest some folks here. Check out the uploads, thus far, here: ITTF contributions SarahStierch (talk) 17:11, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

Connecticut lacrosse league accused of gender bias

Thought this might be of some interest here: Connecticut lacrosse league accused of gender bias SarahStierch (talk) 16:19, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

WikiWomen's History Month

Hi everyone. March is Women's History Month and I'm hoping a few folks here at WP:Women's sport will have interest in putting on events (on and off wiki) related to women's roles in women's sports. We've created an event page on English Wikipedia (please translate!) and I hope you'll find the inspiration to participate. These events can take place off wiki, like edit-a-thons, or on wiki, such as themes and translations. Please visit the page here: WikiWomen's History Month. Thanks for your consideration and I look forward to seeing events take place! SarahStierch (talk) 21:06, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

Quite a few " men's" pages in WMNSPORT

I have noticed quite a few pages with " men's" in the title have been added to WP:WMNSPORT by the bot User:LauraHale requested. I have suggested a review on the bot's page and mentioned it on her talk page.

I understand some of these may be correctly targeted because they discuss women's sport as well as men's, but I think most of them are due to the categories listed for the bot to process weren't completely female entries. Mark Hurd (talk) 10:43, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, there are a few goofy cases where that appears to have happened. :( When I've spotted them, I've been manually removing them myself. : / --LauraHale (talk) 11:35, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

Portal:Athletics and Portal:Sailing

I made two requests here for promotion to Featured portals. Any suggestion or contribution is welcome. --Kasper2006 (talk) 03:26, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

My first women's sport article

It's not much: Alice Legh. Apparently there's more information about her in the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography, but I don't have access to it :( Kaldari (talk) 07:02, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

Here is Oxford Dictionary of National Biography. --Edgars2007 ^{(talk/contribs)} 08:58, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

Thanks! Kaldari (talk) 18:05, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

club Women football by year?

International women's club football, as 2011–12 UEFA Women's Champions League and others simils are not in articles likes 2011 in association football, 2012 in association football, 2011 association football continental champions, 2012 in sports, also we have a rule of how post it in? is there a article to use as a example--Feroang (talk) 01:45, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

Jade Bailey (footballer)

I am the creator of the article Jade Bailey (footballer) I came here hoping to ask for help in expanding it because you folks presumably know what you're doing. I don't know enough about footballers to do a good article here. I need 1500 characters to get it past http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Jade_Bailey_(footballer) . Would you care to help? Regards, Anameofmyveryown (talk) 12:26, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

Concussions in women's sport

I have this project called The Concussion Project, and one of the pages I created was Concussions in women's sport, though I later decided to merge, but then I moved it to User:ZappaOMati/sandbox/3. All I want to know is: Do any of you think this could be an article, or should it just stay merged with Concussions in sport? ZappaOMati 00:39, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

If there are sources for it to justify its own article, why not? :) --LauraHale (talk) 03:19, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

Feedback requested on the best way to expand coverage of the history of women's basketball

I would like to expand the coverage of women's basketball history.

There seem to be three logical places for coverage of the history

1. Women's basketball
2. Basketball
3. History of basketball

In order to keep discussions together, I am posting this teaser on the talk pages of the three articles listed, plus the talk page of Wikipedia:WikiProject Women's sport and Wikipedia:WikiProject Basketball. I'll post a more complete post on Talk:Women's_basketball and urge anyone with any feedback to post it there.--SPhilbrick(Talk) 22:07, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

RfC on the use of flag icons for sportspeople

An RfC discussion about the MOS:FLAG restriction on the use of flag icons for sportspeople has been opened at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Icons. We invite all interested participants to provide their opinion here. Qwyrxian (talk) 02:34, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

Women's football/soccer players articles up for deletion

You are invited to join the discussion at:

• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cari Roccaro
• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Toni Pressley (2nd nomination)

Hmlarson (talk) 17:42, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

Portal:Sports is up for featured portal consideration

This is a courtesy message to inform the members of this project that I have nominated Portal:Sports for featured portal status. The discussion is at Wikipedia:Featured portal candidates/Portal:Sports. The featured portal criteria are at Wikipedia:Featured portal criteria. Please feel free to weigh in. Sven Manguard Wha? 18:41, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

Naming of Men's/Women's National Football Teams under discussion

Discussion is ongoing at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football/National teams#Proposed change: consistency in article title gendering.--Carwil (talk) 23:45, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

16 women's football / soccer teams navboxes up for deletion

As at least 16 of the templates up for deletion in this discussion are relevant to the history of women's soccer in terms of development of the sport and individual players, please consider contributing to this discussion: Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2013_June_3 Hmlarson (talk) 19:14, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

College Softball project notice

Hello, everyone. I've recently started the College softball task force, working to help expand Wikipedia's college softball coverage. If you have an interest in the sport, please consider visiting the project. Thanks, Ejgreen77 (talk) 08:17, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

ErnaLowSki.jpg

image:ErnaLowSki.jpg has been nominated for deletion -- 65.94.79.6 (talk) 06:25, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

File:ErnaLowSki2.jpg

File:ErnaLowSki2.jpg has been nominated for deletion -- 65.94.79.6 (talk) 05:42, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

Emilia Appelqvist AFD

The Emilia Appelqvist article has been nominated for deletion, and the following discussion is now open for comment: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Emilia Appelqvist. Any members with an interest in women's football are encouraged to participate. Thank you. Clavdia chauchat (talk) 23:05, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for Laura Robson

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Task Force on women's basketball

I'm gathering feedback for the possibility of starting a Task Force on women's basketball, with the intent that it would be a task force of WikiProject Women's sport as well as WikiProject Basketball (and maybe college basketball). I've read Wikipedia:WikiProject_Council/Guide/Task_forces#Setting_up_a_task_force_structure, but I did not see whether one is supposed to get permission from the Wikiproject to form a task force, or if one should be bold and just do it. I posting this as a third way - if someone identifies that I am required to get permission, I'll start that process, if I do not hear back soon, I'll be bold.--SPhilbrick(Talk) 14:19, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

At WP:FOOTBALL they usually ask that at least five editors are involved to start a taskforce. I'm not sure if this is a requirement or a sort of rule of thumb. I suppose if you started things off with fewer than about five editors you might get some resistance. Although, in my experience the response from the 'parent project' (WP:FOOTBALL) to the women's football taskforce has been to completely ignore it! Only breaking out into open hostility now and again. I wish you well with your endeavour - being a task force of two separate wikiprojects is a very interesting idea. Is this possible? Clavdia chauchat (talk) 07:37, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

LFL Australia

Legends Football League is tagged under this WikiProject, and members are invited to comment in a discussion at Talk:Legends Football League#LFL Australia. ZappaOMati 00:55, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

Alerts

I couldn't find a link to Wikipedia:WikiProject Women's sport/Article alerts on the Main page, many other projects have added this - though it can also be watchlisted by individual users to keep a handy eye on all AfDs, RMs, etc. In ictu oculi (talk) 03:08, 3 August 2013 (UTC)

3rd party eyes needed

We have a WP:FULLNAME related problem regarding the article first mention name of a Serbian tennis player. This is the last twist in a long pattern of "controversy" between advocates of national spellings and "Tennis names" which started with an attempt to remove ć from the players name in 2009 at Talk:Ana Ivanovic/Archive 4. That was rejected 13 vs 5, but inexplicably a RM in 2012 years later went 0-4 in the other direction, and there's been 2 unsuccessful attempts to undo that since. Anyway, that's background, this isn't about the title it's about the first sentence, the lead WP:FULLNAME part of the a MOSBIO guidelines.

All other Serbian tennis players Tamara Čurović, Jelena Genčić, Jovana Jakšić, Jelena Janković, Tatjana Ječmenica, Ana Jovanović, Karolina Jovanović, Natalija Kostić, Aleksandra Krunić, Vojislava Lukić, Teodora Mirčić, Sandra Načuk, Milana Špremo, Ana Timotić, Ana Veselinović, Dragana Zarić, Nataša Zorić have WP:FULLNAME in line with WP:OPENPARA, similar to the draft guideline at WP:SERBIANNAMES.

Ana Jovanović (Cyrillic: Ана Јовановић; born 28 December 1984) is a Serbian professional tennis player.

That excludes obviously former-Serbians, Australian Serbians, who follow a similar pattern to American citizens:

Martina Navratilova (Czech: Martina Navrátilová; born Martina Šubertová; October 18, 1956) is a retired Czech American tennis player and coach.

The extra spelling in Cyrillic is unique to Serbian and some Bosnian articles. In Serbia Latinica (Latin script) is only used by the popular media, tabloids, sports press etc., while government newspapers, the church continue to use Cyrillic, so every Serbian has to read and write both. The Serbian is absent from Croatian WP:FULLNAME.

Ivana Abramović (born September 3, 1983 in Zagreb) is a Croatian professional tennis player.

So the problem, the problem is the lead of Ana Ivanovic which was given duplicate names in this edit immediately following the move creating the lead

Ana Ivanovic (Serbian: Ana Ivanović Serbian Cyrillic: Ана Ивановић, born November 6, 1987) is a Serbian tennis player...

This is contrary to WP:FULLNAME. The RM didn't make any case for changing the lead, nor through going through the article and stripping out 157 more -ć, leaving the only -ć in brackets in the lead sentence. Also in my experience (if anyone knows different please give an example) we only ever do Martina Navratilova (Czech: Martina Navrátilová) type leads if someone has very clearly changed citizenship, not even green-card Dominican baseball players in the US have their Spanish accents removed in WP:FULLNAME.

At this point this is highly sensitized, by mentioning it here I'm leaving poop on WikiProject Women's sport's doorstep. But then there is a WikiProject Women's sport tag on the Talk page and this article "belongs" to WikiProject Women's sport as much as WikiProject Serbia and WikiProject Tennis. So there it is. In ictu oculi (talk) 03:56, 3 August 2013 (UTC)

Cricket

I'm noticing that several pages about women's cricket (such as England women's cricket team) have got stuck in 2009. I hope that the publicity surrounding the current Ashes series will encourage more editing in this field, but I mention it here in case anyone on this project feels capable of bringing these articles up to scratch. Thank you, W. P. Uzer (talk) 07:46, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for Hope Solo article

Hope Solo, an article that you or your project may be interested in, has been nominated for a community good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Hmlarson (talk) 06:01, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

Request for comment

There is a discussion open about moving Australia national association football team to Australia men's national association football team. The move would include converting Australia national association football team to a disambiguation page that would include a link to the women's team article as well as the men's team article. Contributions to the discussion are much appreciated. Thank you. Hmlarson (talk) 01:46, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

I've now started a formal RfC here: Wikipedia:WikiProject Sports#RfC: How should articles on national sports teams handle gendered teams? I invite you to share your views. —Tom Morris (talk) 18:01, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

Move request for Li Na - request for comments/wisdom welcome

Since there are several famous female athletes named Li Na, I just wanted this project to be aware of a move request at Talk:Li Na (tennis). Fyunck(click) (talk) 05:17, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

Steph Davis

I'm working on the article Steph Davis, a female rock climber. Would love help! Wadewitz (talk) 22:18, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

Pageview stats

After a recent request, I added WikiProject Women's sport to the list of projects to compile monthly pageview stats for. The data is the same used by http://stats.grok.se/en/ but the program is different, and includes the aggregate views from all redirects to each page. The stats are at Wikipedia:WikiProject Women's sport/Popular pages.

The page will be updated monthly with new data. The edits aren't marked as bot edits, so they will show up in watchlists. You can view more results, request a new project be added to the list, or request a configuration change for this project using the Tool Labs tool. If you have any comments or suggestions, please let me know. Thanks! Mr.Z-man 22:50, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

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Naming of articles in Category:Men's national field hockey teams

Hi everyone, I just found your project. You might be interested in Category talk:Men's national field hockey teams#Mass rename. Help would be appreciated. Multichill (talk) 13:14, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

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These two articles could do with some help

Can anyone help me with this Women's MMA and Women's tennis article. Dwanyewest (talk) 20:33, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

Fort Worth Panthers

This is a women's soccer team in the Women's Premier Soccer League. That article has a red link: Fort Worth Panthers (WPSL). Fort Worth Panthers redirects to Fort Worth Cats (Texas League), which is about a defunct minor league baseball team, the Fort Worth Cats, which once used that name. Fort Worth FC might be a club of some sort, but it's certainly not the team's name, although the article claims that. Can you fix that? 71.23.178.214 (talk) 16:11, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

Heather Clark pro Ice Hockey player?

Does anyone have any information about Heather Clark (fighter) or Heather Jo Clark apparently before she became an MMA fighter she played pro Ice hockey[1]. If so does anyone know the name of the team she played for and for how long so I can create an article. Apparently she may have played for EHC Visp and Vancouver Griffins can anyone confirm this? Dwanyewest (talk) 17:41, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

Comment on the WikiProject X proposal

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Request for Comment

There is a Request for Comment about "Chronological Summaries of the Olympics" and you're invited! Becky Sayles (talk) 07:29, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

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Question at the Village Pump

There is a question at the Village Pump that should be of interest to this group:

Risk in identifying as a woman editor on Wikipedia

--Lightbreather (talk) 02:21, 23 January 2015 (UTC)