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As is, this is just a list of works written and a hint of a biography. It's a long stub, but I think it's still a stub?... Schissel : bowl listen July 7, 2005 20:30 (UTC)

The list of works is a disaster--almost all redlinks, and the few blue ones point to the concepts of "heat" and "ice" rather than the novels... --Dvyost 8 July 2005 05:09 (UTC)

Found an unlinked list at 87th precinct for those, but I'll leave the rest of the delinking to others, unless someone would like to spend their summer filling each of those in... =) --Dvyost 8 July 2005 05:13 (UTC)

A number of titles seem to be missing from the bibliography, especially non-series titles published under the McBain pseudonym. The Sentries (1965) and Guns (1976) immediately come to mind. The bibliography at [1] has more. --Clampton 12:26, 1 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It's missing Candyland: A Novel in Two Parts, by Evan Hunter and Ed McBain. In which section would that go, or would it be in both? Ralphmerridew 19:58, 4 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Murder in the Navy

Was it originally published in 1955 or 1964? You have it both ways.... --K D Faber—Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.64.135.19 (talk) 11:36, 21 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Films

Only a partial list here - Buddwing was filmed for example starring James Garner.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.20.55.243 (talk) 19:20, 1 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Children

Says 3, only lists Mark and ted. I believe the third is Richard. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ponchojuan (talk • contribs) 21:00, 19 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move

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The result of the move request was: moved per request. Favonian (talk) 18:24, 15 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Evan Hunter → Ed McBain – Article naming conventions on Wikipedia insist that the most well known came of the topic of the article should be the article name. The name Ed McBain is far more famous than Evan Hunter, as even the lead of the article admits. Relisted. Favonian (talk) 11:02, 7 July 2012 (UTC). DreamGuy (talk) 00:38, 30 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *'''Support''' or *'''Oppose''', then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's policy on article titles.

Support. Authors, actors, etc., are usually listed under their professional name, rather than the pseudonym, per WP:COMMONNAME. In other words, we have an article for O. Henry, not William Sydney Porter. Likewise we have an article for Lady Gaga, not for Stefani Germanotta. We do, however, have redirects from the born name to the pseudonym. •••Life of Riley (T–C) 22:06, 7 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support. I was going to close the move myself, but found that I had made Evan Hunter the target of the Ed McBain redirect in 2008. So I'll just add my voice to the support. -- JHunterJ (talk) 13:06, 14 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

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Move Review

Oppose - I guess I'm a bit late for this, but I'm opposed to the name change. "Evan Hunter" is the name he used in day-to-day life, and as the author of his "serious" writing. "Ed McBain" is just a pseudonym for writing in a niche field (regardless of how popular the niche was). While the name "Ed McBain" may be better known, it's only marginally so, and this is really only relevant if the other name is virtually unknown, which is not the case here. The name "Evan Hunter" is firmly established as the writer of The Blackboard Jungle, and the screenplay to The Birds and others. So to sum up, I don't see this as choosing "Lady Gaga" over "Stefani Germanotta" but as more akin to choosing "Jo Caldrone" over "Lady Gaga" JamesCurran (talk) 16:54, 15 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 2014

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The result of the move request was: Withdrawn. George Ho (talk) 23:59, 2 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Ed McBain → Salvatore Albert Lombino – Both his pseudonymous names (Ed McBain and Evan Hunter) are too well-known to debate which to choose. If Wikipedia chooses Sean Combs instead of either "P. Diddy" or "Puff Daddy", why not the same for this man who write many crime mysteries? Besides, both his pseudonymous surnames were fully pure 100%-Caucasian, while his actual surname (Lombino) is Italian. George Ho (talk) 07:34, 2 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose the move as proposed; weak support moving to Evan Hunter. This case isn't like Combs's overuse of novel pseudonyms, because in his case we can document that independent reliable sources got tired of referring to him as anything but "Sean Combs". There's no question that this person was born "Salvatore Albert Lombino", although we would normally just have such a person's article at Salvatore Lombino. But he legally changed his name to "Evan Hunter", and his most famous pseudonym is "Ed McBain", so either of those is preferable to his birth name, even though he used a lot of other pseudonyms. If there's consensus that Ed McBain is the wrong title, I'd support moving to Evan Hunter, but not to the proposed Salvatore Albert Lombino. 172.9.22.150 (talk) 16:13, 2 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per WP:COMMONAME. He is not well known as "Salvatore Albert Lombino". The difference is that Sean Combs has used that name professionally at some point during his career. As far as the reliable sources I see, "Salvatore Albert Lombino" has never been used as the author's professional name. Zzyzx11 (talk) 20:07, 2 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. His birth name was never used professionally.--Dmol (talk) 20:14, 2 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Pen name?

Since "Evan Hunter" became his legal name in May 1952, I don't think it should be referred to as a pen name. ChrisWinter (talk) 18:37, 27 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 10 May 2021

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The result of the move request was: Consensus to move to Evan Hunter. While there is a well-argued dissent from Randy Kryn, there is a consensus that the subject was well-known and wrote "serious" works under his legal name as well, and is a more appropriate title than the pen name. Similar arguments have been brought forward from both sides on the talk page above. I will move the {{Ed McBain}} along. No such user (talk) 08:45, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ed McBain → Evan Hunter – Article title should be Evan Hunter, the writer's real name, under which he wrote several noteworthy books, including "Last Summer" and "The Blackboard Jungle." Ed McBain is a "pen name." Just because the name Ed McBain is, perhaps, more known than that of Evan Hunter, is weak reasoning to make it the article title. Hunter himself would probably be displeased to see his Wikipedia entry placed under a pseudonym he devised up, and just one among many. Why? Because he went through life by his legal, real name, Evan Hunter, not the pseudonym Ed McBain. If he had used the name Ed McBain in real life, the title should then be Ed McBain. But Hunter didn't do that.

Evan Hunter is listed as Evan Hunter in the following:

Paperback Confidential: Crime Writers of the Paperback Era by Brian Ritt (Eureka, CA: Starke House Press, 2013)
Merriam-Webster's Encyclopedia of Literature (index says McBain, Ed see Evan Hunter)
A Checklist of Evan Hunter by Christopher P. Stephens (Ultramarine, 1992)
Let's Talk: A Story of Cancer and Love by Evan Hunter a.k.a. Ed McBain (Orion Publishing Co., 2005)
Ed McBain/Evan Hunter: A Literary Companion by Erin E. MacDonald (Jefferson, NC: McFarland & Company, Inc., Publishers, 2012)
Encyclopedia.com
SFE: The Encyclopedia of Science Fiction
"Evan Hunter, Writer Who Created Police Procedural, Dies at 78" NYT Obit, July 7, 2005

Of importance is the last in the list above — the New York Times obituary, virtually an official record. The obit was for Evan Hunter, not Ed McBain, the pen name. TheGrayLion (talk) 06:44, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose, commonly known (per WP:COMMONNAME and WP:NICKNAME) as Ed McBain, the Hunter name was not his birth name and he was 26 when he chose it. And per the 2012 RM above and consistency with the template {{Ed McBain}}. Randy Kryn (talk) 13:13, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Text of WP:NICKNAME: "The name used most often to refer to a person in reliable sources is generally the one that should be used as the article title, even if it is not the person's 'real' name...", which would cover this title. Randy Kryn (talk) 13:57, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nomination. The fact that Evan Hunter is listed under his legal name, which was also his pen name, in all the above-listed encyclopedias, databases and, yes, The New York Times obituary, are the convincing and deciding factors. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 18:48, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Roman Spinner. Have you checked them? I looked at Encyclopedia.com and, while fighting through incoming ads (goddess bless our no-ads policy), see that their listing is under 'Ed McBain'. One more, the science fiction ency. states "who ultimately became better known as Ed McBain", which is our title criteria. Randy Kryn (talk) 19:03, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Randy Kryn. I did glance and Encyclopedia.com has both — a separate entry for Evan Hunter and for Ed McBain. Tellingly, it even has a redirect — "Ed McBain: see Hunter, Evan." As for The Encyclopedia of Science Fiction, it also has, as the main title header of its entry — Evan Hunter, with Ed McBain as a redirect to Evan Hunter. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 03:35, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Support, but not because of "real names". His birth name was Salvatore Lombino, his most commonly used byline for publication was Ed McBain. Evan Hunter was a separate byline that he assumed as his legal name in adulthood. All of those names are "real". However, since it happens that he was well known by the name Evan Hunter as well as his Ed McBain byline, it makes sense to give a slight preference to his chosen legal name regardless. 50.248.234.77 (talk) 01:23, 12 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Evan Hunter wrote his "serious" books under this name, and his genre books under pseudonyms. His genre books are well done, but they are entertainments significant mainly to aficionados of the genre. He wrote a screenplay for the 1963 Alfred Hitchcock film The Birds under the Hunter name. Hunter had a respected career as a serious novelist, primarily in the 1960s, as Evan Hunter. I suggest the Ed McBain page be linked to the Evan Hunter page, and cover the books he published under the pseudonym Ed McBain. Hifrommike65 (talk) 07:04, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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