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- 1 Pronunciation
- 2 Kateri vs Catherine
- 3 Canonization
- 4 One more source to use
- 5 Official canonization
- 6 potential resource
- 7 File:CatherinaeTekakwithaVirginis1690.jpg Nominated for speedy Deletion
- 8 Editing to remove redundancies
- 9 Structural issues
- 10 First Native American woman?
- 11 Protectress of Canada
- 12 Surname
- 13 New Edit November 29, 2016
Does anyone have any pronunciation advice for this article? Sandover 03:47, 14 May 2005 (UTC)
- The pronunciation is closest to that described by Laerwen, but depending on which Mohawk dialect used the pronunciation varies. In the U.S, specifically New York state, the letter 'K' is pronounced as a 'G' and the letter 'R' spoken as an 'L'. Also, the letter 'T' is pronounced as a 'D' or when followed by an H (th), as 'T'. Gah-da-lee Deh-gah-Gwee-tah. Jam i amonnit (talk) 10:01, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
- It seems that sources on Mohawk language tend to use the central dialect spoken in Ahkwesáhsne, in which r is pronounced as l. Since KT was of the Kahnawà:ke community, she presumably would have spoken the eastern dialect, in which r is pronounced r. I've added the pronunciation in IPA to the article. Johanna-Hypatia (talk) 00:11, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
- I've always heard her name pronounced cat-AIR-ee teck-ah-KWEETH-ah, but that's not official. MamaGeek
My home church is a St. Kateri Tekakwitha and we all pronounce it like MamaGeek described. This is a great article by the way! Timan123 13:19, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
- Her first name is a Mohawk rendering of Katherine, thus the anglicized accent should come on the first, NOT second, syllable: KA-tir-ee (many people mispronounce it by accenting the 2nd syllable). A more native pronunciation would not place accent on any syllable: ka-tah-ree. LotR 14:14, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
Kateri Tekakwitha figures prominently in William T. Vollmann's Fathers and Crows. It's strange that Vollmann isn't mentioned here.
- I have seen "ga-DAI-ree deh-GAH-quee-tah", as well as "kat-AIR-ee teck-a-KWEETH-ah". I've seen the former as a more Mohawk pronunciation, but I've not a clue as to the validity of this. Laerwen (talk) 05:20, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
The Mohawks of Akwesasne, an offshoot of Kateri's community of Kahnawake, pronounce her name as "Gah-deh-LEE (Kateri) Deh-gah-GWEE-tah (Tekakwitha). Kateri is a common Christian name and has been in use long before Ellen Wallworth published it in the late 1800's.
Kateri vs Catherine
If I'm not mistaken, there used to be a section in this article about the origins of the name "Kateri" as an artificial contrivance of feminist writer Ellen Walworth, who was the first person to use that rendering. Tekakwitha, who had a fairly functional grasp of the French language, took on Catherine at her baptism in conscious honor of Saint Catherine of Siena - she knew how to pronounce her own name. It was only in the 1890's that "Kateri" came into use, when Walworth suggested it as an alternative to the "patriarchal" Catherine because that's how she imagined she, as a Native American, would have pronounced it.
- Even if you are correct, which I suspect you are. BUT Wikipedia gives priority and prominence to the most notable name given to her by the general media. So Kateri superimposes Catherine, but we added Katherine on top for your consideration. To note, Catherinae is on her beatification register. We will wait what the Pope declares of her official name in October 2012. LoveforMary (talk) 16:12, 22 January 2012 (UTC)LoveforMary
You are correct, (talk). Catherine is her name on the register, not Kateri. I have the source for the beatification register as Catherine. The Holy See also notes it as Catharinae-Virginis, which is Latin of "Catherine". http://newsaints.faithweb.com/year/1680.htm . I do agree with the people here that Catherine is the name of her choosing, not Kateri. In my honest-to-goodness opinion, Kateri is her feminist name imposed by feministic groups like Ellen Walworth who wish to divert from so-called "Patriarchal influence". Anywho, this article wouldn't receive prominence if it wasnt for the approbation by the Roman Catholic Church, so I honestly feel the name they designate in her beatification register should prevail. But I have not pushed for an effort to change it because the Wikipedia rules remind me to use the name mostly used by the general media. So I will just rather wait in October when the Holy Father changes her name to Catherine, as it should be. LoveforMary (talk) 03:49, 23 January 2012 (UTC)LoveforMary
- No, she hasn't been canonized. This is a common error that has been seen in various places on the internet. Laerwen (talk) 05:14, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
- Does that mean I can't use her as a patron for my confirmation? Also, I saw all the different things she was supposedly the patron of. She is the patron of Ecology, a form of science. Environmentalism is sacrilegious. It puts the earth before human beings. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.8.131.52 (talk) 15:45, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
- You can use her name as your patron. The difference between Blessed and Saint is that Blessed individuals are given a limited cult within the LOCALE of their territory, in this case---Canada and New York. When Holy Mother Church proclaims a Saint, the individual is granted universal veneration which may be used in all countries. And it certifies that the Successor of Saint Peter ensured that her soul really is in Heaven with God. LoveforMary (talk) 04:01, 23 January 2012 (UTC)LoveforMary
- Stewardship for the environment is a Christian virtue. What is wrong with ecology being a science? The Church has supported scientific progress in all kinds of fields for thousands of years. The world was created for man, and as long as we remember this, and who our Creator is, we will treat the world and everything in it with respect, as everything belongs to the Lord. Elizium23 (talk) 04:30, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
Please confirm if she is indeed the official patron saint of the vicariates and dioceses in the Cordillera region of northern Philippines. In addition, please add the date in which she is commemorated outside the United States and Canada. Jose Corregidor (talk) 14:18, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
One more source to use
John Steckley wrote about Kateri Tekakwitha in 'Beyond their Years: Five Native Women's stories'. Canadian Scholars Press 1999 ISBN-13: 978-1551301501 This book could also be mentioned under 'further reading' Grotea (talk) 21:14, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
Kateri Tekakwitha has been officially canonized by Pope Benedict XVI. There will likely be more announcements as the day goes on on other sites. But as such I've edited the article accordingly. If this was not allowed or I jumped the gun, I apologize in advance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.108.40.206 (talk) 17:11, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
- This is not canonization. As Catholic News Service reported, the pope on December 19th signed decrees recognizing miracles attributed to various candidates for sainthood, including Tekakwitha. The article points out that there must be a public consistory and then the official canonization ceremony. In other words, the Vatican plans to canonize her but has not done so. --- OtherDave (talk) 02:07, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
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Editing to remove redundancies
In places the article awkwardly combines material from different sources. I have deleted some redundancies and corrected for style, trying to make it more Wiki encyclopedic, rather than New Advent Encyclopedia.Parkwells (talk) 18:28, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
There is considerable repetition between the account of her life and later material on alleged miracles and beatification process; am working to reconcile these and make the article tighter, as well as improve sentence style (rewrote the material on latest miracle in Washington state).Parkwells (talk) 18:28, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
First Native American woman?
- AFAIK she was the first Native American woman - there have previously been indigenous males. Could be wrong, though. Nikkimaria (talk) 20:40, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
- She was likely born in Iroquois territory - whether Britain or France thought they were "claiming" it would be beside the point, according to your construction above. Just like political administrations, territorial winners do often assume the history of a place as well.Parkwells (talk) 14:09, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
Protectress of Canada
During the canonization ceremony, while speaking in both French and English, Pope Benedict specifically called her the protectress of Canada. I think this settles the controversy on whether she should be considered a Canadian or an American. She was born in Iroquois territory, which was a buffer zone between England and France, and which was not part of the 13 British colonies (now USA). But she did in fact move to the South Shore of Montreal, in the French colony of Canada.
- So...was the pope speaking with a forked tongue? Oh, God forbid that I should even think such a thing! Gandydancer (talk) 17:21, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
There are formalities that Papal enthusiasts are very keen on regarding Patronages. In many Catholic countries, the distinction and territorial honor of these patronages are very sharp and sensitive to people. Perhaps in USA, you have none of these because there is no Catholic culture, but outside the American version of Catholicism, devout followers of Saintly cults are very territorial and is only quashed by an Episcopal proclamation or a Papal bull.
Yes I agree she is under the patronal jurisdiction of Canada and not New York. Lets call a spade a spade, so just move on and be grateful for her saintly inspiration. In the first place, the people who submitted her postulancy are from Canada, so render to Caesar what is his. 2606:6000:80C1:6900:5148:78C5:546B:8966 (talk) 00:44, 4 April 2014 (UTC)
Is "Tekakwitha" intended to function as a surname? The article explains that this is her Indian given name, so it seems to me that "Kateri Tekakwitha" is a double given name and she should be referred in the article as Kateri according to WP:SURNAME. Elizium23 (talk) 14:40, 10 October 2016 (UTC)
- Up to my knowledge Tekakwitha is her Indian given name and Kateri (derived from Saint Catherine) the name she took on baptism, nevertheless, the liturgical calendar of the catholic church refers to her as Saint Kateri Tekakwitha. HTH,--Turris Davidica (talk) 11:12, 11 October 2016 (UTC)
New Edit November 29, 2016
Hello everyone. I shall be editing the Wikipedia page for Kateri tomorrow around noon. I shall be posting new information not found on her page including the Roman petitions and the Walworths pushing for her veneration in the 1800's, ancestral opinions on Kateri and what she meant to Native Americans, the Tekakwitha Conference, Protestant attitudes towards her veneration, and Lamberville's letter written before her baptism. Jrc3123 (talk) 03:14, 29 November 2016 (UTC)