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Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Paranormal[edit]


An Arbitration case in which you commented has been opened: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Paranormal. Please add any evidence you may wish the arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Paranormal/Evidence. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Paranormal/Workshop.

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, Thatcher131 01:21, 22 April 2007 (UTC)


As my change got reverted, I moved your question to the above talk page. -- User:Docu

Thanks for the heads-up[edit]

That was poorly worded. My point is that we need to be allowed to correct misconceptions in the encyclopedia, not simply pretend that it's okay that the majority of people have them and therefore we should simply report them as the "majority opinion". --ScienceApologist 15:01, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Wilfred Owen[edit]

No problem bro. I only ever removed the relatively uninteresting quotation about him dying. Good to see a skeptic on the ped. 04:57, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Coordinates from Infoboxes of Template:Infobox Swiss town[edit]

Maybe you are interested in Template_talk:Infobox_Swiss_town#Font_problems.

We are trying to find a way to fix the way the coordinates are displayed.

Maybe you can suggest us a solution to fix the recent additions. -- User:Docu

Thank you for your comments. Would you restore a version that looks like one we can agree on? -- User:Docu


Hi BillC: I've been doing little but reverts the last few months as I seem to have less free time than I did. I looked at transformer a few days ago and it's cleaning up nicely, I think. Perhaps some of the stuff I put in about large power transformers could be separated and so the transformer article could be more about fundamentals. Working for a living interferes with my editing, I'm afraid. --Wtshymanski 17:26, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Have a look at Transformer design - this either needs to be severely simplified or possibly just stifled. This is a topic for a Wikibook, not a general encyclopedia article. --Wtshymanski 22:45, 18 May 2007 (UTC)


I vote for "Special Astrophysical Observatory of the Russian Academy of Science", with redirects. 01:59, 15 May 2007 (UTC)


The word comes from Arabic originally.The article is about the word and it's uses.For example we have many words used in English that origiate from Greek and Latin and their uses are mentioned in both languages.Why is that? because people must know where it comes from and why it is used there.Understand that Turkish,Arabic and Persian all pre-date English and many words surprisingly are borrowed from those languages so adding meanings of those words is essnetial.Vmrgrsergr 22:22, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Thankyou for the reply.No it doesnt mean rare in English, but we must still inform people of it's current meanings and uses in the language it came from.the article is aobut the subject and not just it's English defination.

For example the word Pakistan has no literal meaning in English.Yet it's native meaning is explained in English.But why is the use of the word given in the article? this is to inform readers more about the subject and not just meanings of the word. The article discusses not just the meanings of the word but the subject and adding it's meaning in the languages of origin is essential. There are many words in English evolved from greek.However the litreral Greek menaing does not match its English counterpart and yet the literal menaing is mentioned.Regards.Vmrgrsergr 23:13, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

The articles don't necessarily need only the English meanings of the word.Articles are more about the subject of the word.Take the Khemed article.It describes the word and its menaings in Hebrew and Arabic.I didnt create the article but it is not morw about the words meaning but about the word as a subject itself."Iran" has no meaning in English yet we have an article on it and also include it's persian meaning.Why? Because we are discussing Iran as a subject, not a word with an English meaning.If you want further discussion please move it to the talkpage.Thanks.Vmrgrsergr 23:45, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

HMS Royal Oak[edit]

Hi there, a few weeks back you edited this disambiguation page to read Eight (or twelve, depending on how one counts) vessels of the British Royal Navy have been named HMS Royal Oak. Isn't the correct figure Eight (or eleven, depending on how one counts)? 8 physical vessels, one of which was rebuilt three times, making a total of eleven. Or am I going mad? Regards, — BillC talk 20:06, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

No you are right. I spotted that the first figure was wrong, and assumed the second would be out by the same amount. Rich Farmbrough, 21:32 23 May 2007 (GMT).


Bill, I work as a Quality Assurance Technician at a tranformer manufacturer which produces power distribution transformers. I have a ton of information on production of these transformers and industry(IEEE, ANSI, NEMA, ...) standards. Concerning BIL levels: 10kV to 25kv(actually a greater range) are the standards for external arresters. The transformers are internally insulated, from what I have seen and tested, from 60kV BIL up to 250kV BIL. We do 60 Hz withstand(impulse) testing on all transformers that are built. We actually hit the HV bushing(s) of each transformer with the rated BIL. I am new to WIKI. I also work with Instrumentation Transformers.

Your recent edit to Sweet Jane (diff) was reverted by an automated bot that attempts to recognize and repair vandalism to Wikipedia articles. If the bot reverted a legitimate edit, please accept my humble creator's apologies – if you bring it to the attention of the bot's owner, we may be able to improve its behavior. Click here for frequently asked questions about the bot and this warning. // MartinBot 19:35, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

False positive, User:AntiVandalBot/diffs informed. — BillC talk 19:44, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Crystal Links[edit]

Thanks for the head's up. After you posted your message I noticed that that page quoted directly from the Wikipedia page I was trying to cite for! Ironic! I'll try to find a better source. Thanks.


Ah, I see your point then, I think I'll add that to the article then so no one else gets confused then. --IdLoveOne 21:08, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

FA Count[edit]

How did you do a count? It was my mistake. I saw that the automated stats on the index page were generated after the last manual update on the FA page. I didn't realize they counted lists and the other didn't. ColdFusion650 13:05, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Springheeled Jack[edit]

Thanks for switching the spellings in this article back to British English. I was trying to get one of the editors who spent so much time changing them to American ones to switch them back, but they refused, and I was dreading having to do it myself some time. DreamGuy 04:07, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

You're welcome. — BillC talk 17:09, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Peer review/Tanner Trail[edit]

Thanks for your review. The pointers are great and I'll be working on them these coming days. Again thanks for your review and your input.
Gonzo fan2007 talkcontribs 08:07, 26 June 2007 (UTC)


re: Hi, I don't think a graph about CO2 trends at Mauna Kea is relevant for an article about Venus. Regards, — BillC talk 22:01, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Whatever... 90% to 0.0380% says a lot to ME though. Makes terraforming a real bitch to contemplate! Cheers! // 19:27, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Thank you not just for replying, but for doing so in good humour. Regards, — BillC talk 20:54, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Use of {{anchor}} in Transformer[edit]

Hi, can you tell me what this edit is doing? I can see it has created an HTML anchor, but it's dropped the box heading, and removed it from the table of contents. Best regards, — BillC talk 16:45, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

I noticed that the section head looked a bit odd with the edit link. Then I noticed that there was a comment mentioning explicitly not to remove it as it was to be used as an anchor. So, I figured that they didn't know about anchor template. You can revert it, or put in a bolded non-heading text. —Dispenser 16:58, 6 July 2007 (UTC)


answered you in the talk page man! cheers


Like you, my article has been sitting around for a while at peer review. I propose a peer review trade: I will peer review Transformer and you peer review The Age of Reason. Please don't blanch when you see my userpage. I do know something about science and have a live-in physics and technology expert, so anything I don't understand will be cleared up immediately. I am actually quite a good peer reviewer, even of science articles. I can give you references. Really. Or, you can look at my latest "science" peer review on Introduction to general relativity. From your userpage, it looks like you might enjoy reading The Age of Reason, too. :) Awadewit | talk 12:45, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

As The Age of Reason has managed to attract a good peer review already, you might consider reviewing Mary: A Fiction or Maria: or, The Wrongs of Woman. These are both novels by Mary Wollstonecraft. I can understand why you might be more interested in The Age of Reason, though, and two peer reviews is certainly better than one! Awadewit | talk 08:10, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Interesting article[edit]

I'm not very familiar with most things British, including Boris Johnson, I came across the article while on vandal-patrol. Is that article a subject of interest for you? Just curious how you happened to come across it yourself, it's not something I would have normally been interested in - not being from that region myself. If you're familiar with that subject, you're a better editor than I to make changes to it. Dreadstar 06:42, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Johnson is the MP for a nearby constituency. I don't much care for his line of politics myself, but he's certainly rarely out of the news. With respect to the description of him in the article to the effect that he plays the part of a bumbling clown, this is very much an image that Johnson does not reject, but positively cultivates. Regards, — BillC talk 14:02, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
Oh, cool! So you actually live in the area and are familiar with him! Excellent! I'll take it off my watchlist and leave it in your capable hands! Yeah, the "bumbling clown" stuff, I'm sure there are some folks who would view that as a negative, but either way, since it's a WP:BLP, it (along with a lot of the other material in the article - positive or negative), should be solidly sourced. Dreadstar 17:56, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

interested in adminship?[edit]

Hi Bill, I hadn't seen your contributions at the missing encyclopedia articles site for a long time and was wondering what you were up to. I'm happy to see that a productive and skilled Wikipedian is still active, just not in the same circles as me. I was surprised to see that after an early RfA where you said you might be interested later, you hadn't been renominated. I think you've done a great deal of good work and have dealt with situations well, and would be happy to nominate you if you're interested. Rigadoun (talk) 17:41, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

re:Abas, son of Lynceus[edit]

Thanks! I'm trying to buff up as many stubby classics topics as I can. Ford MF 23:15, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Your NPWatcher application[edit]

Dear BillC,

Thank you for applying for NPWatcher! You've been approved to use it. Before you run the program, please check the changelog on the application page to see if there is a newer release (or just add the main page (here) to your watchlist). Report any bugs or feature suggestion here. If you need help, feel free to contact me or join NPWatcher.

WODUP 16:08, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Edits in Format[edit]


I am new to editing. Works with communication protocols. Please review my edits as well as links.

GP —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gp1973 (talkcontribs) 18:07, 14 September 2007 (UTC)


Hello, I am also trolling the new pages right now and I noticed you speedied some w/o putting a note on the author's talk page. Please remember to notify the author in fairness. Just a head's up, keep on keepin' on.--Old Hoss 19:13, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Transformer drawing[edit]

Sorry I got that caption wrong--it actually said "core" rather than "transformer" before I changed it. I changed it because it included a winding and wasn't just a core. I didn't really understand that the twisted leads represented two windings. It might help to color the two windings different colors to clarify that--not sure if that would be easy or not in your software. In any case thanks for making a nice picture.Ccrrccrr 04:08, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Palace of Heavenly Purity[edit]

Oops - I copied the material out of the main Forbidden City article - that's where the error came from. I will fix ASAP. Thanks for notifying me! --PalaceGuard008 (Talk) 00:32, 29 October 2007 (UTC)


Adminship.png My RFA
Thanks for participating in my request for adminship, which ended with 56 supports, one oppose, and one neutral. I hope to accomplish beyond what is expected of me and work to help those that lent me their trust. east.718 at 02:34, 11/4/2007

Can you update Wikipedia:WikiProject Missing encyclopedic articles/es?[edit]

Hello, you've worked some on this list and I think you generated one of them (French?) sometime in the past, using the Perl script. I wonder if you would be able to run the same script for Spanish, which recently finished its first list (from two years ago)? Please answer or leave comments at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Missing encyclopedic articles/es. I'm asking a few different people I've seen who seem to be able to do this, so if you think you're too busy, don't worry about it. Rigadoun (talk) 19:57, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Fleet Signal[edit]

dont bother, im finished with wikipedia. bunch of assholes.

Lincolnshire Poacher 22:59, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Wave Selling[edit]

Just to let you know that I altered your {{context}} tag on this article to {{db-nocontext}} because the originator had already had two articles under nearly-identical titles speedied today, and I didn't think it really had the makings of a serious article. I have put a note on his talk page advising him to read and understand Your first article before he tries again. JohnCD 12:59, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. I thought it was borderline, but was prepared to give the benefit of the doubt until the article might be expanded into somethhing worthwhile. I wasn't aware that he had made multiple attempts at recreation, all of which had been speedied. You might want to also take a look at Generic sales scripting (which title he initially misspelled). — BillC talk 13:06, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Henry Blagrove[edit]

Thankyou very much for your comments. I will amend the Prien time issue, you are correct, it appears I misread the material I was going from. I am considering putting it up for DYK, I hadn't got as far as nominating it though. Out of interest, how did you come across the article so fast? Regards--Jackyd101 14:06, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

I see. Out of interest, can you think of anywhere else Blagove could be linked from at the moment, I've been looking but I can't see any further obvious links (The article doesn't need them necessarily but it would be nice to give it as wide coverage as possible)--Jackyd101 14:11, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
Thankyou for your comments and help. All the best--Jackyd101 14:26, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Mark batey[edit]

I don't consider this a prolematic issue at all. Hoaxes are not speedy candidates because they are hoaxes. To put it bluntly, someone has posted an article with certain claims, someone else claims that those claims are false. Why should I believe the person claiming hoax more than the person posting the article. Suspected hoaxes must be put before a broader audience. Dsmdgold 20:40, 11 November 2007 (UTC)



Editing Help[edit]

Hi, could you help me with editing... I want to include references to the same source by adding "a", "b", etc. Could you please tell me how to do this. Thank you. --H.Musleh (talk) 03:10, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Missing encyclopedic articles/es[edit]

Hi, I see you've removed a large number of interwiki-linked communes as done, but as far as I could see they weren't. Abrest, for example, has no article yet. Regards, — BillC talk 23:47, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Hi Bill. I don't know how it happened but I did something wrong with Abrest and Achenheim. I have now corrected it. The rest should be alright.--Wafry 00:02, 1 December 2007 (UTC)


[1] - ?
diff (talk) 10:54, 5 December 2007 (UTC) (also: here)

I believe from the above that you are asking me if I will upload that picture of the Horizon 202 to the Commons, so that you may use it in the Polish Wikipedia. I am happy to do so, and have now done so, the file is available at [2]. — BillC talk 18:59, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Thx. I am a en-basic person, but I`m really happy that you understand me :D (talk) 19:21, 5 December 2007 (UTC) (Kkaktus)


Thanks for pointing out the restrictions on that image. I guess I didn't look carefully enough. I'll try to find something else. --Lance E Sloan (talk) 21:08, 6 December 2007 (UTC)


I think there's an error in the description of the image. The economiser is labeled 23 in the key and in the description it says:

"A steam governor valve (10) allows for both manual control of the turbine and automatic set-point following. The steam is exhausted from the high pressure turbine, and reduced in both pressure and temperature, is returned to the boiler reheater (23)."

Based on your description I tried following the pipes around and the only way it fits the description is if the pipes above the economiser are the boiler reheater, which is unlabeled. Calibas (talk) 04:53, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Citation Problem[edit]

Hi BillC, I am trying to cite a work that is by the same author as another work I cite. However the work itself is different. The problem is that it keeps referencing to wrong work. Please help...--H.Musleh (talk) 04:08, 9 December 2007 (UTC)


Thanks for the tip, and the compliments! VanTucky talk 00:28, 10 December 2007 (UTC)


Thank you very much for the help!--H.Musleh (talk) 03:24, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Chinese Ghost Marriage[edit]

The article was Nonsense and if left accessible would have been negligent. You should not remove tags unless you have a good reason. A simple 'search' of google/yahoo and you happen to see a number of hits but don't read them does not constitute a viable reason to remove a tag.

If this is not what happened and you did have a reason, please enlighten me. --Pmedema (talk) 03:03, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Venus FAR[edit]

Venus has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here.

I should say that I don't consider this article particularly bad, it's just that the other featured planetary articles (except Mercury) are far longer and have more citations, so I thought as the Featured Topic nears completion it would be a good idea to revisit the old articles and see if they need any work. Serendipodous 23:55, 18 December 2007 (UTC)


MAKE SURE TO DELETE EVERYTHING I ADD!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by DarthBotto (talkcontribs) 23:44, 19 December 2007 (UTC)


Hey, Bill. I've been noticing you around the encyclopedia recently, and I've been checking through your contribs; and I think you're a good candidate for RfA. I'd be delighted to nominate you, so if you are interested, please leave a note on my talk page. Qst 15:00, 23 December 2007 (UTC)


I don't know, I assume they got slowed up bc of the holidays. I was tempted to ask, but I don't want to piss them off.  :) VanTucky talk 21:21, 28 December 2007 (UTC)


Barnstar-atom3.png The E=mc² Barnstar
For putting up with my FA review, and for his massive contributions to Venus, I award BillC the E=mc² barnstar. Hope to be joining him in his updates as soon as Europa's FAC is finished. Serendipodous 02:31, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

RE: Interwiki links[edit]

Thanks for the reminder. It takes little effort and is a good addition to any new article. Happy New Year and happy editing. --Merovingian (T, C) 00:21, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Three-phase power diagram[edit]

Hi, I have nominated your animated GIF at Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Three-phase current flow. Thanks, Cacophony (talk) 00:52, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi BillC. The green in the picture isn't very visible against the white background. I know you just recently lightened the colours, but I think it would be much easier to understand if the green were a bit darker. Thanks, GeiwTeol 11:23, 24 April 2008 (UTC)


Yes, any and all help at force would be greatly appreciated. ScienceApologist (talk) 16:45, 3 January 2008 (UTC)


Thank you for the heads up on the date in the citation reference template. I have it fixed now. The article is coming along at great leaps and bounds BTW. Great improvements since I last looked at it! SriMesh | talk 02:25, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Help at Venus[edit]

As a friend of the Venus Express I try to help to save Venus!--Stone (talk) 22:48, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Going to bed, but found a few refs for geology vulcanism and atmosphere. I will have a look tomorrow and add what is necessary!--Stone (talk) 23:50, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

One line diagram[edit]

Hello. Yes, electrical substation could use a one-line diagram ( as could the latter article). However, I'd like to to match the substation in the photo to show the correspondence hetween physical devices and symbols - if I put togehter a really ugly sketch for the Warren sub in the photo, could you turn it into something Wikipedia-worthy? I could probably do it in Inkscape as a .png which would at least give you a starting point. --Wtshymanski (talk) 17:16, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

The one-line diagram here looks fine - but it occurs to me that general readers won't understand the significance of the symbols. These are IEC symbols, not ANSI but the difference isn't important for our purposes here (anyone in the trade should understand both). Now I've expanded the caption. --Wtshymanski (talk) 15:25, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Electricity[edit]

The article Electricity you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold.Symbol wait.svg It hasn't failed because it's basically a good article, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needed to be addressed. If these are fixed within seven days, the article will pass, otherwise it will fail. See Talk:Electricity for things needed to be addressed. Blair - Speak to me 11:38, 18 January 2008 (UTC)


Hello Bill, If you don't mind me asking, which program do you use to make your images, namely Image:Spring-mass2.svg. It isn't Inkscape is it?-- penubag  04:34, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

That 3-D block on the Spring-mass image, was that created through Inkscape? If so, I honestly did not know that program had 3D image features, or did you just create the sides of the box individually and group them together? -- penubag  22:38, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for the reply, I was looking everywhere for the 3-D button, but I guess there isn't one. And yeah, POV would look awsome, but overkill for such a simple design. -- penubag  03:53, 25 January 2008 (UTC)


Nuvola apps important yellow.svg

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Updated DYK query On 30 January, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Unsinkable Sam, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Wizardman 14:08, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Replaceable fair use Image:Intacsonfinger2.jpg[edit]

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8th London WIkipedia Meetup: POSTPONED![edit]

Hi! I've decided to postpone the meetup pending a new date, as too many regulars / people who signed up have said that they will not likely make it. Please go over to the talk page and let's discuss a new date! Poeloq (talk) 01:37, 1 February 2008 (UTC)


let get more info on getting in to this page and talk I still in the dark about the internet and how to go here or their and get this and that any help in oping a page like this would be helpful

                                        redscorico  —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 22:59, 7 February 2008 (UTC) 


Thanks for your note. I have my doubts that we'll be able to get that anon editor to join the discussion, but all we can do is try. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 13:53, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

It was inevitable, given their actions. Too bad; they seemed to have something to say. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 18:54, 13 February 2008 (UTC)


Updated DYK query On February 14, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article TenneT, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Great work Bill. Keep it up! Blnguyen (bananabucket) 02:15, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Doczilla's RfA[edit]

Thank you BillC for the extra citation[edit]

And for the heads up on the book on "The New Wave Of American Heavy Metal" - it really did help tie up loose ends over at Groove Metal Thanks again for your support. —Preceding unsigned comment added by DarrelClemmons (talkcontribs) 02:22, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Dispatcher training simulator[edit]

An interesting article, and a topic that I would like to learn I had a quick look; I have little relevant expertise so my comments are general.

  • As always, the article could use a picture, though I imagine it would be a very generic "people sitting at a computer screen and keyboard" sort of image.
  • A little more history would be great - when did computer simulators displace analog methods? How widespread are they now? Who had the first, who has the biggest, etc. ?
  • I know my local utility Manitoba Hydro has something like this installed at their System Control Center, however on the last tour I didn't bring a camera. MH's training includes things like setting up lines for ice melting, and how to respond to ice rolling on lines - they use the simulator to rehearse these ice removal procedures.
  • Implementations - can a realistic simulator run on a laptop at home, or do they need to be connected to the real-time database and large-scaled computing resources?
  • Were AC network analyzers used for operator training? My impression is that they'd be hard to use.
  • Put in links to Simulation, and Computer-based training, even if "see also" and backlinks to this article.
  • Any discussion of relevance of operator training to the 2003 blackouts in North America and Europe?
  • Limitations - what scenarios are hard to simulate, and what effects does this have on operator training? Can someone qualify just on "simulator time"? How long would someone spend working on a simulator? (This would vary by utilities, I guess)

--Wtshymanski (talk) 20:40, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Dispatcher training simulator DYK[edit]

Updated DYK query On 23 February, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Dispatcher training simulator, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--BorgQueen (talk) 07:22, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Kenneth Dewar[edit]

I don't know if I can think of anything creative to say for DYK. Something along the lines of "Captain Kenneth Dewar was court-martialled for refusing to go to sea with his Admiral" or something similar? I've been using The Times records of the trials which have proven very useful and quite exhaustive. Just need to read through all the damn articles now! If you could cite at some point that would help, before the [citation needed] police start trolling the article. Thanks for the "candidate" insert too; Dewar as the entire Labour Party is a worrying thought! --Harlsbottom (talk) 11:43, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Many thanks for your help. Having thieved your hook (I hope you don't mind) Dewar is now on the Main Page DYK. Just need to find some more citations and kick the article into a better quality classification. And somewhat delayed but thanks for the heads up on Nichols and Vanguard - most interesting. --Harlsbottom (talk) 10:50, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
I decided, somewhat rashly perhaps, to put Kenneth Dewar up for GAR review at Wikipedia:Good article nominations#War and military. It looks rather backlogged, so would you mind perhaps getting the ball rolling on this one, or maybe point out where the article could be improved otherwise? Cheers, Harlsbottom God's Own Navy 23:05, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
Hey again. While I twiddle my thumbs hoping to get some more feedback on Kenneth Dewar's FAC, if you've got your Royal Oak books handy would you mind seeing what Dewar did in the Second World War? While trawling through Google Books I came across a mention of him doing something with the Admiralty in one of the Royal Oak books - can't find the reference againand it was Snippet View only so I couldn't see what he actually did. It's probably a good thing I can't find his memoirs for sale - from what I gather from the book reviews in 1939 he was claiming all kinds of exaggerated distinctions from his naval service.
By the by, I noticed that you created the article on the Assisted Places Scheme. I was fortunate enough to be in the last batch eligible in '97 after a certain landslide election, so I have a special interest in it! And the University is starting to look a little strange - it won't be long before they're building on St. George's Park! Regards, Harlsbottom (talk) 17:05, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Keratonconus (again)[edit]

I don't know about you, but I'm just about ready to leave the pro-Boxer Wachler sockpuppets and the anti-Boxer Wachler anon IP editor have an edit war and let an admin sort it out. Sorry to see you're being attacked like that. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 01:15, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

I've asked for outside help here. Delicious carbuncle (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 15:13, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
I'm hoping that patient, rational discussion -- from someone who isn't either of us -- will calm down the situation. I'm sure the article can live without you for a while. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 00:23, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

HMS Royal Oak (08) reference check[edit]

Hi BillC,

Looking at consolidating two references to "Snyder The Royal Oak Disaster p174" on the HMS Royal Oak (08) article, I came across an inconsistency I wanted to ask about.

The source for one instance is:

  • <ref name="Snyder_p179-180">{{cite book | last = Snyder| title = The Royal Oak Disaster | pages = p174}}</ref>

the name has p179-180, but the ref has p174.

Not sure if this is an error, if so which one is correct. "Snyder_p179-180" is reused twice further down the article. This was added to the article on the 10:29, 17 February 2007 edit.

Thank you, XLerate (talk) 23:52, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing this out. After checking, the correct pages are indeed Snyder, pp179-180, which brings the number of uses of this reference to three. Regards, — BillC talk 01:17, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

comment/help on Megaselia scalaris[edit]

It seems to me, based on the content being added, that Megaselia scalaris could easily be redirected to Phoridae, but the author insists on creating and editing the article anyway, ignoring my note. Perhaps an editor with more experience with biological articles such as yourself could help determine whether my redirect was appropriate or not. Thanks! - CobaltBlueTony™ talk 21:08, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Question on transformer diagram[edit]

Hi, I have a question on the excellent diagram you made:

Doesn't current flow from positive to negative? Why does the arrow on the secondary winding point outwards from the positive end if so? I'm only learning about transformers atm so forgive me if I'm making a silly error. (talk) 05:44, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your message! Yes, the current does flow from positive to negative. Imagine placing a resistor between the two blue terminals on the right side. The current in it will flow from top to bottom, from positive to negative, and so in the same direction as it is drawn. The 'from positive to negative' convention is current flowing from the terminals of a voltage source, within the source the current is, so to speak, in the other direction. Consider a simple circuit, like this one, supplied by a battery. Current flows from the positive terminal, round the circuit and back into the negative terminal. But which direction does current flow within the battery? I hope this helps, but feel free to drop me another note if I didn;t explain it clearly enough. Regards, — BillC talk 08:59, 26 March 2008 (UTC)


Updated DYK query On 30 March, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Carley float, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Wizardman 04:12, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Excellent article on the Carley float[edit]

Just wanted to mention that I thought your article on the Carley float was very well done, and useful to my contributions as well! - Tundrawinds (talk) 19:21, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Thomas Wakeman[edit]

My apologies for not thanking you earlier for your edits to Thomas Wakeman, which made it to DYK. BTW, I'm no expert either; Sioux language seems to be correct; the article's references mention Lakota, which is Sioux. Thanks again, and good editing. Truthanado (talk) 00:16, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

London meetups[edit]

Good to meet you the other day! Come along to the next one : Wikipedia:Meetup/London 9. Same place. Sunday May 11th. -- Harry Wood (talk) 16:07, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Patnet use opinion[edit]

Editors should include patents in article over people? Editors should include patents in article over devices? Editors should include patents in article over scientific concepts? I would take the above to mean yes on 1 and 2 and no on 3. Is that right? I would appreciate your opinion. Thanks. J. D. Redding 19:05, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

thank spam[edit]

Mohkam Mopping.jpg Thank you for voting in my RfA, which passed with 194 supporting, 9 opposing, and 4 neutral.
Your kindness and constructive criticism is very much appreciated. I look forward to using the tools you have granted me to aid the project. I would like to give special thanks to Tim Vickers, Anthony and Acalamari for their nominations.
Thank you again, VanTucky


I'm looking for BillC is he hiding here ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 04:06, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

I am here, though not hiding. — BillC talk 08:20, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

So what happened to you, you disappeared ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 14:08, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Conditions on the talk page deteriorated to the point where it was clear that further dialogue between ourselves would not be productive. Frankly, you drove me away from the article. So I recused myself from any further editing on either the talk page or article. Go to it, and good luck. — BillC talk 22:03, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Its because you could not answer questions you went away. You can't call people a vandel and think your going to get away with that.

My main concern is only to differentiate the two methods of crosslinking, properly, so its clear.

Who is "whatamIdoing" have they got KC ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 00:35, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

I have absolutely no idea. — BillC talk 06:48, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

I do think you have done and wonderful job bill with the KC article over the years. Its just thast now we are getting more involved in the detail. I am just here so that you can get the other side to balance things up a bit more. I can't spend too much time tending to a person page or get involved in anything else. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 05:29, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Bill, its only a matter of getting consensus. My input is just getting deleted with out any discussion, I thought Wiki is meant to be fair ? Come on, we can work it out... If the cold war can be sorted out, this is nothing ! —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 22:28, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

I think the trouble was that a new person to Wiki just don't know how things are to be done - you on the other hand know - its very easy to take for granted what you have done for a long time and think everyone just knows how it is. I have not got no idea if I can edit article or what. Because if I do it gets deleted, and if I want to discuss it WITH EVIDENCE I CAN GIVE YOU then that this ignored as the editors (not you per say) just don't want to say nothing, hoping the problem will just go away. We much speak the truth, isn't that the right thing we all must try to do ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 04:31, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

I am sorry, but I think you are on your own at this point: I made a decision some time ago that I wasn't going to edit the article. Of course you can edit the article - anyone can - just make sure your edits are good ones. Your last edit created a huge 85-word sentence "However, it must be emphasized, that the asymmetric radial keratotomy technique has not yet gone through the official experimentation and follow-up period, which is generally required by the Italian National Health Service to accept a new surgery technique before it can be proposed to patients in the Italian National Health Service, but it is done and can be done privately at a clinic in Rome quite legally, where it was invented, and so have the most and best experience in this type of surgery.". That edit was reverted by Seicer (talk · contribs). Why not drop him a note on his talk page, asking why he did so? You could say something like "Hello. Some time ago you reverted this edit of mine, and I would like to understand why. I am only interested in improving the article, and think that the information in that edit was important. Can you say why you reverted it? How should such a thing be written?" You don't need to, and probably shouldn't, use my words, but I am sure that Seicer would respond favourably to that sort of question. — BillC talk 07:33, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
Thanks Bill for your note: I did start a new section on Seicers disscussion page but he deleted that as well ! If he a high ranking person in Wiki ? as he said he was admin and to contact him in the KC discussion page ?
Bill you have done excellent work when there was nothing, no info on kc that much, to get the article up to tis point. The thing with mini-ark is that its used for PMD as correction with contacts is more difficult and transplants are difficult because the irregularity is on the edge of the cornea. Transplants tissue has to be bigger to cover enough over the edge of the cornea, which increases risks. So mini-ark becomes an option. But weare living in the days of Intacs, however with mini-ark there is not something plastic in the eye. Also not having to wear contacts is achieved. Most people do have a PMD eye and the other eye having a central cone. The mainstream have not cotton on to this, and it will not if more peopleare not aware of its use.


Hi. As a result of research for the J.B. Hutto page, I found a page for a Benjamin Hutto which had had information about J.B. added to it (the same text copied from the biog as on the J.B. Hutto article). I've reverted it back quite a long way (although there hadn't been too many edits in the meantime). Is this edit[3] acceptable? Do I need to contact any of the other editors involved?

Any observations on the current version of the J.B. Hutto page would be welcome as well. Brunton (talk) 13:15, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

J.B. Hutto has, as far as I'm aware, always been known by his initials, at least as far as the musical activities for which he's notable are concerned. His first records were released as by "J.B. and his Hawks". And see, for example, here[4] (hope the link works). Brunton (talk) 23:44, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Disambiguation and nicknames[edit]

Hi again. Is the use of a nickname to disambiguate Johnny 'Man' Young from Johnny Young acceptable, or would it be better to use "Johnny Young (blues musician)"? Also (I've so far failed to find anything in the style guide although I'm sure it's there somewhere): should the nickname be in single inverted commas (as I have it) or double quotes? Regards, Brunton (talk) 11:44, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

SVG offer?[edit]

Bill, you offered to draw SVG diagrams for Negative resistance. Might I interest you in doing something similar for the new article Lambda diode that I just wrote? I just whipped up a PNG using SwitcherCAD but it's ugly - and there's no I/V curve. The illustration at might be a good starting point. Thanks and no obligation of course! --QEDquid (talk) 13:32, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Sunday Lunchtime Meetup[edit]

Can I interest you in Wikipedia:Meetup/London 10? This Sunday 1p.m.! -- Harry Wood (talk) 00:40, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Research Study on the creation of medical info on Wikipedia[edit]

I need your help. I am working on a research project at Boston College, studying creation of medical information on Wikipedia. You are being contacted, because you have been identified as an important contributor to one or more articles.

Would you will be willing to answer a few questions about your experience? We've done considerable background research, but we would also like to gather the insight of the actual editors. Details about the project can be found at the user page of the project leader, geraldckane. Survey questions can be found at geraldckane/medsurvey. Your privacy and confidentiality will be strictly protected!

The questions should only take a few minutes. I hope you will be willing to complete the survey, as we do value your insight. Please do not hesitate to contact me or Professor Kane if you have any questions.

Thank You, BCeagle0312 (talk) 00:04, 10 July 2008 (UTC)


Darn;[5] so many editors studied that split for months before we did it, don't know how we missed that one. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 18:07, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

No matter what it sounds like <grin>, all of us who looked at it know what it is, so we shouldn't have missed it. Well, that split was looming on the horizon for months, and was making me crazy, so I guess one mistake is permitted. Anyway, thanks for the find. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 18:14, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

venus axial tilt[edit]

Good answer, but how could you explain the link between the value of axial tilt and the pro or retrograde revolution of a planet?Is it simply a convention in astronomy or is there a more profound physical relation? Sorry for my insistence but I like precisions. Have a good day (talk) 06:16, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply! There is no definitive answer, so far as I know, as to the tilt: either Venus spins the 'wrong way' round and has a small axial tilt, or it is spinning the 'right way' round but has a tilt that places it almost completely upside down. Which is correct is a matter of definition or convention. Best regards, — BillC talk 20:16, 1 August 2008 (UTC)


i just wanted to congratulate on your removal of jagged absurd contribution to the history of electricity. You must have realized what i realized that in order to create artificial lightning would require some way of generating huge amounts of electricity and being able to control it somehow, or the other option would have been that he knew how to recreate the atmospheric conditions perfectly, which would be pretty hard since that isn't known fully to this day. Check out some of the debate's i have had with this guy on his edits to several history of science pages.Tomasz Prochownik (talk) 00:57, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Electrical substation[edit]

Could you perhaps correct the information for the UK. It was merged here from a new article. If it's deleted, the correct thing to do would be to unmerge the article, which is probably not the best thing to do. Thanks. Truthanado (talk) 01:02, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. I agree with you and will leave things as they are. BTW, I used to work in the electrical power industry in the US (I'm now in rail transportation) and the common US voltages (all AC except for 500KV DC) are:
  • Transmission: 765KV, 500KV (DC+AC), 345KV, 230KV, 138KV, 115KV, 69KV, 34.5KV
  • Subtransmission: 34.5KV, 11.5KV
  • Distribution: 12KV, 7200V, 4600V
Cheers. Truthanado (talk) 02:12, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Conductor gallop[edit]

Updated DYK query On 2 October, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Conductor gallop, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Cirt (talk) 21:16, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

DYK Article[edit]

In the article Uniforms of the Confederate Military the statement has been changed as you requested, I would like you to look at it again. Have a great day. --LORDoliver † (talk) 00:17, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

I added a reference/note to that quote (thanks for the advice) and added so more info on the Did you know about the article, I would like you to check it out again. Thanks for the help!--LORDoliver † (talk) 01:06, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Indeed, my bad, now that I read that website... I don't really understand Lordoliver: if he owes the book, read it throught, make a richer and better article, with page references to every pargraph. It does not matter if it takes a couple weeks to read everything, it would be a good article.
Also, I see some questions with [6] and [7]. Is it ok to just draw them? Normally, you would take your grand-grandfather's and make a photo of them? The belt especially is simple to draw, but is this really how the CSA belts were? Where does Lordoliver has seen a belt? If he has one, just make a photo!
Also, [8] - this way I could make free all the images in all the books on earth. OK, in this case it is not a big deal, b/c it is not so difficult to draw them yourself. But still, it is a copy from a copyrighted book, and I suspect Lordoliver's real name is not Patricia Faust. I hope Lordoliver does not get angre with me, I really think the article is very informative, but it takes considerable effort to right it properly.Dc76\talk 22:07, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

I have uploaded the cover of my book onto wikipedia type in Image:Historic Times Illustrated.jpg on the Wikipedia Search Bar.--LORDoliver † (talk) 22:57, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

I would like your advice on this article, what do you think I can do to improve it. --LORDoliver † (talk) 00:44, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Hey, check out the new info I put on the article.--LORDoliver † (talk) 23:19, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks so much for the help! --LORDoliver † (talk) 23:45, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Henry T. Waskow DYK[edit]

Would you mind checking number of characters, links, hook, etc., before the suggestion for WP:DYK expires? Think his is an important story with relevance today. I'd be much obliged. --Leifern (talk) 14:37, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

And, thanks! --Leifern (talk) 20:48, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Stockbridge damper[edit]

Updated DYK query On 15 October, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Stockbridge damper, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:14, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

I really enjoyed the article - thanks for writing it! Royalbroil 23:48, 15 October 2008 (UTC)