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This week's article for improvement (week 44, 2017)

Choreographed dancing at the Super Bowl XLIX halftime show in 2015

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Claude Rains

Hello, talk page stalkers – I have Claude Rains on my watch list, and I was just looking at the latest edit to the article. I tried to look at the TCM website, but the full biography isn't available unless you sign up for an account. Then I did a Google search and saw some sites say he was born William Claude Rains; others have him as Claude William Rains. How do we find the definitive order? – Corinne (talk) 15:25, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) – Hi, Corinne. The biography and movie sites are generally not reliable as they are not fact checked and they are often circular. Go back and find some early reliable sources per WP:RS. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk} 07:34, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

Hi, Corinne. I reverted the edit, assuming good faith, and I put a note on their talk page to that effect. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk} 07:51, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

Or?

Reyk I saw your cogent and well-written comment about Unscintillating on Drmies' talk page just now and was surprised I had never come across your user name before. Out of curiosity I looked at your user page and saw a few interesting user boxes. I hope you will not mind my sharing a thought about one of them. If I'm wrong, please feel free to disregard this. I was puzzled by the last one, which reads:

This user has no idea what 1337 is or prefers to contribute using proper words.

I had never heard of 1337 so glanced at the linked article, which left me realizing I had no interest in what 1337 was, so went back to your user page for a moment. I kept reading that line I just copied, above, and realized that maybe you meant "and" instead of "or". The way it is worded now, "prefers" is merely a second verb following "what", so doesn't make a lot of sense. Judging from the little I read at the article to which you linked at "1337", it sounds like you do prefer to contribute using proper words, so this would make more sense if "prefers" was a second verb for the subject "This user":

This user:

(a) has no idea what 1337 is,

and

(b) prefers to contribute using proper words.

If that's what you really meant, I suggest changing "or" to "and". Best regards, – Corinne (talk) 18:14, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

I only copied this template from User:UBX/1337-0, so I can't change it only on my own user page. If the grammar is a little off, that does not bother me very much. Reyk _YO! 18:36, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

O.K. – Corinne (talk) 18:41, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) – Check out MOS:ANDOR – Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk} 08:19, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

Halloween cheer!

Happy Halloween!

Hello Corinne:
Thanks for all of your contributions to improve Wikipedia, and have a happy and enjoyable Halloween!
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Thank you

Thank you, Corinne, for making a concerted effort to understand my point in the MOS discussion, and for pointing out that, while you disagree with my choice of words, at least my wording wasn't so preposterous, opaque, and antiquated that I must not be a native speaker of English, or must have my head buried in Gibbon. It was hard for me to resist fighting back when I was being ridiculed and insulted just for asking. Your comments made me feel like I could leave the debate with some shred of dignity. And to answer your question, no. Nobody ever talked like that. That's how Americans think Victorian-era Britons talked, which is rather a horrid stereotype. I'm American, I grew up in a house with two college-level English teachers at the top of their profession, and writing is my specialty, so the words that I use and their precise meaning are very important to me. I don't ask that everyone agree with all of my choices. But it's nice to know that not everybody thinks that the proper way to express disagreement is with utter contempt. Thank you again for standing up for me, even though you didn't agree with my point. P Aculeius (talk) 21:11, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

You are welcome, P Aculeius, and thanks for your thank-you note, which, by the way, is well written. I agree with you that disagreement ought to be expressed in a respectful, and, if possible, also kind, way. – Corinne (talk) 23:42, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

Just remember, Corinne, like the wise man said: Living with a saint is more grueling than being one. E Eng 00:33, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

Where did that quote come from? Hey, are you saying that editing with me is grueling?

– Corinne (talk) 01:31, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

Some 13th-c abbot or something, as I recall. I'm just teasing you, you saint. E Eng 01:36, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

I know. Thanks. – Corinne (talk) 01:39, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) – Hi, P Aculeius. Folks who specialize in writing or journalism do not always make the foremost encyclopedia editors. We all bring something to the table. I can tell that you have much experience with a typewriter Having fun. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk} 02:20, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

Percy Bysshe Shelley

EEng and any other tps, what do you think of this edit to Percy Bysshe Shelley? The editor may be right that it is the correct term in England, but very few American readers will know what it means. – Corinne (talk) 00:02, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

It's certainly the traditional term in Britain, or at least Oxford/Cambridge. What I don't know is whether expelled would be as familiar in Britain as it is in America. Paging SMcCandlish, Martinevans123. E Eng 00:31, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

Luckily, we have the technology to resolve this conundrum: wikilinks! I linked the term to Expulsion (education) to help readers who may be unfamiliar with this Britishism. – Jonesey95 (talk) 00:36, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

Well, I guess that works. Where did "sent down" come from? Sent down where? – Corinne (talk) 01:14, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

Jonesey95 I love your "with which" edit summary. ;) – Corinne (talk) 01:34, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

As far as I know, that sense of "sent down" does not exist in North American English. "Expelled" is an everyday word in all dialects – I don't think any English speaker will not get the meaning of that word. "I was expelled from the park by the police", "Janet was expelled from the bar/pub after picking fights with two patrons", "the farmer expelled the stray dog from the barn". Surely everyone knows what is meant. "Sent down" is a colloquialism, like "gobsmacked" and "ornery". "Sent down from Oxford" will, to a non-Brit, imply that Oxford sent someone (presumably on business) to the south. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ >^ʌⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ^ʌ< 02:19, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

I think, strictly speaking, the editor is correct as far at 1811 usage is concerned. Not sure if quotes would be justified. As far as modern UK usage is concerned, however, the "expelled" for schools has been largely replaced by "excluded" so this might help with the meaning. I think, for most UK speakers, "expelled" has connotations of public school. However "sent down" also has courtroom connotations of being sent to prison ("sent down from the dock to the cells"). I agree with Stanton that "expelled" would be the route of least confusion. But, of course, adding a link like Jonesey95 suggests means the reader might learn something. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:55, 1 November 2017 (UTC)|

User name

Hello, talk page stalkers, again – I was intrigued by this long new user name, so wondered if it contained any clue to its meaning, and I saw that the initials spelled a word. See "true"_size_of_Wikipedia_including_Edit_History_--_in_PETABYTES_or_EXABYTES_disk_space this section at the Help desk. – Corinne (talk) 15:56, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

ITU/Nato phonetic alphabet (I checked 'cos Hotel is used in the UK, not Havana- probably sounds too close to "banana"). Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 10:20, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

Thanks, Xanthomelanoussprog. I hadn't know about that alphabet. But the user says s/he's a high school student. Is it possible a high school student would know about that? – Corinne (talk) 14:11, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

To me the question reads as if written by a middle or eastern European; suppose they could know from participating in the equivalent of army or air force cadets at school. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 16:58, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

Oh...I suppose you're right. – Corinne (talk) 17:56, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) – Hi, Corinne. I learned the Alpha-Bravo military/police alphabets when I was very young and taking sailing classes. Also, later when I was a Police Explorer Scout. If you are goofing around, you can use any words you want. I used it a lot from 1990 to 2007 when selling speech recognition software too. I used it yesterday in a conversation. In fact, I use it every few days. I feel that the police version sounds silly, and the military version sounds more professional. Here is the block log for es/aych/eye/tee. I wonder who the puppetmaster is? They usually state that, AFAIK. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk} 07:18, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

I especially use it when spelling my email address in person or over the phone as so many folks get letters mixed up and that makes emailing impossible. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk} 21:24, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

Copyedit request

Hello, I recently had Nodar Kumaritashvili up at FAC, but it failed mainly due to prose issues. In the closing comments it was suggested I get in touch with you to try and help get that fixed up. So after some slight delay I'm here asking if you'd be interested in helping out on that regard? Thanks. Kaiser matias (talk) 12:43, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Kaiser matias. Normally, I would ask you to submit a request for a copy-edit at Wikipedia:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Requests and wait for your request to move up the queue, which could take a few weeks, but since the article is not long, I'll take a look at it. In the future, I would prefer if you posted a request at the Requests page. I will make corrections and changes that I feel confident about. On things I'm not sure about I'll leave questions here.

O.K. I just finished copy-editing the article. It wasn't too bad. Just one thing. In the second paragraph of the lead, you mention "Georgia" in "his grandfather had introduced the sport to Georgia". Don't you want to link this to the appropriate article so that readers will know if it was Georgian Soviet Socialist Republic or Georgia (country)? – Corinne (talk) 01:41, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) – Hi, Corinne (with courtesy ping to Kaiser matias). I did some minor tweaking to make the article Nodar Kumaritashvili flow better visually, to address a few MOS nitpicks, and to allow it to pass a couple of the FAC final check gauntlet of tests (FAC Toolbox). I will do more later, and I will leave copy editing to y'all for the most part. I would assume that Grandpa introduced luging in old Georgia (Soviet Georgia), so I did wikilink that. Having fun. Ping me back. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk} 10:07, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for going through it so quickly; it had already gone through a Guild of Copy Editor request, and I was led to believe a personal message to you would be the course of action, so apologies if I didn't follow protocol here. I do appreciate the effort by you and everyone who went through though, and added a link to the relevant Georgia as noted. Kaiser matias (talk) 08:42, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

You are most welcome, Kaiser matias. I am sorry you have received mixed messages regarding posting a request for a copy-edit here. I am of mixed feelings about it. On the one hand, I am happy to help move an FAC candidate, especially one that has failed and will be re-nominated soon, and am flattered by Sarastro1's referral to me. On the other, we do get some FAC candidate articles at Wikipedia:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Requests, and as requests are completed, the latest ones move up the queue, but it does take a few weeks for one's article to reach the top. If I spend my time copy-editing articles for requests made on my talk page, I never get to the ones on the Requests list. Sarastro1, what do you think about this? What about limiting referrals to me to those articles for which there is some urgency or time constraint, and referring the others to Wikipedia:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Requests? Would that be a good approach? If not, do you have any other thoughts? – Corinne (talk) 15:25, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

At the moment, I tend to ping you if there are articles close to promotion that require a look at the prose, or for an opinion if I think it needs another look. In those cases, it is less that I think it needs a copy-edit, more that it needs a little polish from a prose expert to make sure it meets FA criterion 1a. If I recall, my closing comment mentioned above was intended as a "I would advise getting a copy-edit from someone good", and I apologise if I've muddied the waters slightly! From my viewpoint, and from a FAC viewpoint, it would be better (as long as you are happy) to keep to those which need a last look or a bit of a brush up that are extremely close to promotion (i.e. with at least 3 supports if anyone is reading this who follows FAC closely). And so that you aren't swamped, I can always ping you from the FAC page so that legions of editors don't appear on your talk page! It won't be too often (although there may be one later tonight!!) and I try to spread the burden among the regulars that I ping for another set of eyes. I don't usually ask for nominators to add their reviews to the request list as when I get involved, it is near the end of an FAC and those matters should have been taken care of; reviewers, however, are free to recommend it on the FAC itself. Sarastro1 (talk) 16:28, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

O.K., Sarastro1. Now I understand. I trust your judgment and look forward to your pings. – Corinne (talk) 23:46, 2 November 2017 (UTC) Sarastro1 Thank you for your note. – Corinne (talk) 23:56, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

Kraft Foods Inc.

Talk page stalkers: I don't know anything about this template, so I thought I'd ask you all what you thought of this edit to Kraft Foods Inc.. – Corinne (talk) 01:54, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) – Hi, Corinne. That template is one of many hatnote templates. This hatnote template is named {{about}}. For any template, you can find the details by putting:

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in the search box on any page (including on this talk page) e.g.- try:

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Hatnotes can be created manually with wikitext by using colons, parentheses, italics, wikilinks, pipes, etc., but using templates makes them easier to standardize from memory. At the bottom of each hatnote template you will see a navbox of other hatnote templates.

The user edited the text portion of the hatnote to change the grammar. If you wish to change the text, you can do so, without messing up the hatnote function or purpose.

Most articles lack a hatnote. Hatnotes are typically used to avoid confusion between similar pages. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk} 04:14, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

Mal'ta–Buret' culture

Tryptofish I don't know whom else to ask, so I thought I'd ask you. I've been studying the edits made by an IP editor to Mal'ta–Buret' culture. In this edit, the editor says the [first] two sentences in the paragraph mean the same thing. I wonder if they really do. Does

The skeletal remains of MA-1 have been described as phenotypically East Asian ("Mongoloid")

mean the same thing as

this area was "inhabited by a population of Mongoloid appearance?

I don't know who added the second sentence, specifically this: "Alexeev...in his later publication was more cautious", but if that person had studied the sources and then written this, he or she must have thought there was a difference between "phenotypically..."Mongoloid" and "of Mongoloid appearance". What do you think? – Corinne (talk) 00:15, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

That's a difficult question, and I would not be sure who to ask, either. My impression after looking at it is that the issue is not about the term "phenotypically", but rather about whether the characterization is accurate specifically for MA-1 as an individual, or only something that can be documented for that population of people as a group. I understand "phenotype" to be the outward manifestation of what is encoded in the "genotype", and I'd have a hard time making a case that it's anything really different from "appearance", except maybe that phenotype is determined rigorously whereas appearance can be something less well documented. But the passage as a whole sounds to me more like archeologists consider the group of people to be of East Asian classification, but that Alexeev felt that there wasn't enough evidence to say that for certain about MA-1 specifically. Also, I am under the impression that the term "Mongoloid" may be deprecated (although that may be just for trisomy 21 and not for ethnic groups). --Tryptofish (talk) 13:47, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

Thanks, Tryptofish. Maybe Doug Weller knows something about this. – Corinne (talk) 15:21, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

I'd say it was a good idea to get rid of "more cautious" as that seems to be just editorial comment, ie original research. I think our article on "mongoloid" has it right, deprecated but still in use by some. Doug Weller talk 19:36, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

I find it difficult to determine whether or not it was OR without having read the source material. It's possible that Alexeev says explicitly that he has decided to be more cautious, and that the editor who added the material was trying to paraphrase that. --Tryptofish (talk) 14:22, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

This week's article for improvement (week 45, 2017)

"Pay no more than Ceiling Prices", WWII U.S. poster

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Lascar (volcano)

Twofingered Typist I was just looking at the list of requests at Wikipedia:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Requests and saw Lascar (volcano) was listed. I thought I had copy-edited the article a while back, so decided to look at it. I looked in the revision history and saw that I had not copy-edited it. I must have thought so since I had edited a number of articles on volcanoes in South America for Jo-Jo Eumerus and Lascar was probably mentioned in several of those. I saw the GOCE notice on the talk page showing that you had copy-edited the article on 21 December 2016. I moved the template to within the banner shell. Since you copy-edited the article once before, I wonder if you would like to give it another go. I'm sure there have been many edits since December 2016. Also note the comment Jo-Jo Eumerus left with the request for a copy-edit. If not, maybe I'll take it. I don't know. (I've copy-edited many volcano articles.) – Corinne (talk) 18:02, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

Hi Corinne: For some reason I have not been able to find the critique of the article in the link supplied in Jo-Jo Eumerus' request that mentions "choppy" sentence structure so I had a look at it. It has had many edits and been expanded in the year since I first looked at it, but I wouldn't describe it as "choppy"! I did a very quick run through it and made some very minor changes. I have made it a practice not to do a second copy edit on any GOCE request in the belief that my c/e is unlikely to be perfect, and the requester deserves the benefit of another set of eyes. If you would like to have a go at it, please feel free. Thanks for checking with me. (At least it's on a subject other than Indian films or video games!) All the best. Twofingered Typist (talk) 20:05, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

Hi, again, Twofingered Typist. I completely understand. Out of curiosity I decided to search for that discussion. I clicked on the link in Jo-Jo Eumerus's comment accompanying the request. It led me to the talk page of the DYK project. I didn't see it there, so at the top right, I typed "Lascar (volcano)" in the search bar for the Archives, and clicked on "Search", and it led me to a page with several listings for discussions on the article. It seemed that it was the first one on the page, so I clicked on it. It led me to Wikipedia talk:Did you know/Archive 142#Lascar (volcano) removed from Main Page. – Corinne (talk) 00:10, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for tracking this down, Corinne, I'll have a quick look at it. 11:46, 4 November 2017 (UTC) P.S. I see that Jonesey95 is now working on it, I'll be interested to see the outcome. Twofingered Typist (talk) 12:12, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) – Y'alls banter. Fascinating. Having fun! Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk} 11:15, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

J. B. S. Haldane

Hello, Chiswick Chap – I saw your recent edits to J. B. S. Haldane. I'm glad you took care of removing that unnecessary phrase, but I'm wondering why you removed the no-break-space templates I had just added. I added them to prevent the first initial of a two-initial sequence in a name, or the numbers of the day in a day-month-year date, from ending up alone at the end of a line. – Corinne (talk) 17:20, 7 November 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for asking. I just don't see it as necessary in 99% of cases, and do see markup templates (and HTML) as undesirable. Chiswick Chap (talk) 17:47, 7 November 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply. As I read articles, I often see things broken at the end of a line, so I don't understand your "99% of cases" phrase. I don't think it looks good. It doesn't look professional. Also, why do you see markup templates and HTML as undesirable? – Corinne (talk) 23:10, 7 November 2017 (UTC) Should have pinged you. Chiswick Chap – Corinne (talk) 20:34, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) – Hi, Corinne. I like templates because they are less prone to typos than HTML escape codes are. Plus, they can marry several HTML escape codes into one packaged template. Removing those templates provides no benefit to the reader, and may provide a hinderance if the page breaks on a spot where you made things non-breaking.

As an aside, I saw you used the {{clarify}} maintenance template with an attached comment by using an HTML code, and I wanted to alert you to the fact that the clarify template includes an optional 'reason' parameter. Click on the template link to see the syntax. Ping me back with any questions. Having fun! Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk} 11:11, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

Hi, Corinne. The article J. B. S. Haldane has a disambiguation link in it. Here is a tip-of-the-day tweak that will allow you to easily spot such links in articles. It will not change anything for article readers - only you will see the change. I thought it would be fun for you to enable this gadget in your preferences, and for you to figure out which article is the correct one to wikilink to, and to fix it. Please ping me back with any questions or concerns. Having fun! Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk} 11:50, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

Ikebana

Thank you Corinne,

Could you also take a look at this particular section Ikebana#Vessels? The text is PD, but it could use some updating and less prose maybe. Thank you. Gryffindor (talk) 12:40, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

Gryffindor I had already cut out quite a bit from that section (and updated the prose), but you're right that it needed further trimming. What do you think of it now? What is "PD"? – Corinne (talk) 15:40, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) – Hi, Corinne. PD usually means public domain, such as in not copyrighted, or another meaning. Copyright law is very complicated, and what is okay in the US is not okay in other countries and vice versa. Having fun! Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk} 15:08, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

This week's article for improvement (week 46, 2017)

An optical illusion. Square A is exactly the same shade of grey as Square B. (See Checker shadow illusion.)

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Precious three years!

Thank you again for all the copy-editing you do! I have a FAC open which might profit from prose improvements (say some reviewers). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:32, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

Thrace

Doug Weller Just now on my watch list I was reading Haploidavey's edit sumary accompanying his edit to Thrace undoing a POV edit, and with my smattering of Russian I realized that the last two words in the user name were "Turkish terrorism". I can't read the rest of the user name. I just wonder if that is an appropriate user name for use on Wikipedia. – Corinne (talk) 16:55, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

I ran it through google translation; the first name seems to be a cyrillic version of the previous editor's name. Extreme POV and personal attack, in both edit summary and user name. Efficient, I guess. Anyway, the offending editor is now blocked as a sock. Haploidavey (talk) 17:14, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

DYK nomination of TV-aksjonen

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This week's article for improvement (week 47, 2017)

Gervase Markham's recipe for banbury cake in The English Huswife, 1615

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1966 New York City smog

EEng I was just skimming today's featured article, and I was looking at the images and reading the captions. There is one image where the caption doesn't seem to be describing what's in the photo – it's the one of Nelson Rockefeller and Lyndon Johnson. They don't seem to be seated at a table. They seem to be standing. If they are seated at a table, they don't seem to be seated opposite to each other. Do you feel like making a comment about this at the article? – Corinne (talk) 00:09, 23 November 2017 (UTC)

Sorry, I missed it in the avalanche of recent edits. See [1]. E Eng 20:18, 23 November 2017 (UTC)

Thanksgiving 2017 WikiLove

	For being there
	Our Thanksgiving: we are thankful for Corinne. `{{u\|Checkingfax}} {Talk}` 03:50, 24 November 2017 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Copyeditor's Barnstar
	Thanks a lot for the work on Burebista! Codrin.B (talk) 13:06, 24 November 2017 (UTC)

Eleanor Elkins Widener

EEng I was looking once again at your user page and enjoying, once again, everything that is there, and I ended up clicking on a link to Eleanor Elkins Widener. I know you have an interest in things related to Harvard University, so I thought I'd ask you about a few things:

1) This is the very first article I've read on Wikipedia in which a template is used to allow a word to break with a hyphen at the end of a line. I am really puzzled by this. Readers read articles with different screen resolutions, and in most articles, the layout – that is, how many words end up on a line, and how wide the paragraphs are, etc. – changes when one changes the screen resolution, so I would think there is no reason to use a template to specify that a hyphen be added and a word be broken at the end of a line. I've also gotten so used to not seeing words broken at the ends of lines that now I don't like the look of them. What do you think about this?

2) I see a "clarification needed" tag in Eleanor Elkins Widener#First marriage and a "When?" question tag in Eleanor Elkins Widener#Titanic survival and Widener Library. I thought if you had time, perhaps you could resolve these two issues, but maybe you've already seen these. – Corinne (talk) 02:15, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

Sometimes I just add a {{shy}} to a long word because the spirit moves me, but in general I apply them to long words (12+ letters or so) where there's an unusually small amount of horizontal space available – either in an image caption, or in article text where there's an image both to the left and to the right. Computers have inured us to low-quality typesetting, and avoiding at least the worst ragged right margins is something we can do to fight back.

As to the {when} and the {clarify} tags, the sources are vague on those points and I'm just not up to the kind of research that would be needed to resolve them. But some enthused undergraduate may dig up the answer someday. E Eng 06:10, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

Thanks, EEng. I guess it's good to know about the {{shy}} template. I hadn't known about it before. I agree that the instances you mentioned would be appropriate places to use it. I'm going to add it to my collection of templates. – Corinne (talk) 15:50, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) – A blast to the past! My Dad taught me about the long dictionary word over 50 years ago, and shortly thereafter I learned the Mary Poppins one. I never thought of the Pac-Man sound as being a word. {{shy}} is an interesting template. I wonder how widely used it is? Having fun! Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk} 02:05, 25 November 2017 (UTC)

Burebista

Iridescent I'm finishing up a copy-edit of Burebista. I want to ask you about the first sentence in the third paragraph of the lead:

After Burebista's death, the empire he had created dissolved into smaller kingdoms.

Do you like the word "dissolved" there? I was thinking about substituting "devolved". What's the best word to use there? – Corinne (talk) 00:05, 24 November 2017 (UTC)

Fragmented or splintered. E Eng 01:06, 24 November 2017 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) – Hi, Corinne. Since Burebista is an ancient person, is there a need for he had created to be pluperfect? What about he created? Having fun! Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk} 01:57, 25 November 2017 (UTC)

Checkingfax The past perfect tense is used to indicate that an action took place before another action or a time in the past. He created the empire before he died, or before the time of his death. It is really correct. – Corinne (talk) 17:33, 25 November 2017 (UTC)

I'd be even more basic than EEng, and go with "split" or "broke up". My general rule for Wikipedia writing comes from something Giano wrote back in the early days of Wikipedia—always write as if your reader is a bright 14-year-old with no prior knowledge of the topic.* As well as the children, remember that because the quality and scope of en-wiki are so much higher than that of any other language we have a lot of readers who have only limited English skills, so in my opinion we should always go with the simplest language to reduce the risk of misunderstanding or mistranslation. ‑ Iridescent 17:43, 25 November 2017 (UTC)
*Giano's essay still survives; in my opinion it remains the single most important guide to the deceptively complicated field of writing prose in Wikipedia's unusual house style without making it obvious you're complying with a bunch of arbitrary rules.

Thank you, Iridescent. I couldn't agree more. Thank you also for the link to Giano's essay. – Corinne (talk) 23:54, 25 November 2017 (UTC)

Hatnote

EEng I was looking at the exchange on your talk page at User talk:EEng#When reverting..., and, though I haven't reached the end of it, I did look at the edit you made in an effort to make the purpose of the hatnote clearer. I'm not even clear about the context of the hatnote, so forgive me if I'm off base here, but may I suggest a change in wording from:

"Wikipedia:TQ" redirects here. For the Teahouse ("Wikipedia:THQ"), a forum for new editors to receive greetings and feedback, see Wikipedia:Teahouse.

to:

"Wikipedia:TQ" redirects here. For the Teahouse, a forum for new editors to receive greetings and feedback, see Wikipedia:Teahouse (Wikipedia:THQ or WP:THQ).

– Corinne (talk) 00:15, 26 November 2017 (UTC) – Corinne (talk) 00:16, 26 November 2017 (UTC)

Good idea. E Eng 03:45, 26 November 2017 (UTC)

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		Thank you for your review of the Buck Ruxton article, Corinne, and your modification/insertion to the talk page. I find populating articles of this nature (and other topics) so rewarding. All the best to you.Kieronoldham (talk) 01:45, 30 November 2017 (UTC)

Thank you, Kieronoldham! What a nice surprise! (P.S. My user name is spelled with one "r" and two "n's".) – Corinne (talk) 02:41, 30 November 2017 (UTC)

You're welcome. :) Don't worry, I have a niece whose name is spelled Rebbeca. I'll look at the other issue you mentioned on my talk page shortly. To a degree, I type these articles as I talk, meandering from one reference to the next and inserting the text chronologically as I feel it should be morphed into the article or transposed to where I feel it would be more appropriate. Regards,--Kieronoldham (talk) 02:47, 30 November 2017 (UTC)

Copyedit

Hi Corinne, early this year you copyedited a BLP on Pakistani politician Ishaq Dar after which the article was promoted to GA rank. Recently, I have further expanded political career section and I think ce becomes essential to keep its GA icon intact. I wonder if you would be able to do a quick copyedit? --Saqib (talk) 13:44, 23 November 2017 (UTC)

Saqib I've copy-edited that section. There are a few things I'd like to ask you about, but they will have to wait until later – either later today or tomorrow. Best regards, – Corinne (talk) 17:38, 23 November 2017 (UTC)

Sure, please ask. --Saqib (talk) 05:29, 24 November 2017 (UTC)

Hi Corinne, should I expect you to copyedit the BLP further? Also I was looking to see your questions. --Saqib (talk) 06:46, 28 November 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for the reminder, Saqib. I am sorry I didn't get back to the article promptly. I've been a bit busy, and when I get back onto WP I get distracted by my watch list. I'll try to get to it today. I was pretty much finished the copy-edit, but I might make a few more depending upon your answers to my questions. Thanks again. – Corinne (talk) 15:48, 28 November 2017 (UTC)

Saqib I started reading the political career section and had to make some corrections and changes in wording. I didn't get to the end of the section. I don't remember the questions I was going to ask you. I can't get back to the article until perhaps tomorrow, but I'll take another look at it. – Corinne (talk) 01:30, 30 November 2017 (UTC)

Sure. BTW, I have got a minor things to ask concerning your recent ce. You changed ...Chairman of the Pakistan Board of Investment (BOI), with the status of a Minister of State where he remained... to ...Chairman of the Pakistan Board of Investment (BOI), and Minister of State, in which post he remained.... Don't you think it may imply that the subject had served for two separate entities "BOI and Minister of State"? Dar was Minister of State, not for being a member of the cabinet but due to his charge at BOI. --Saqib (talk) 06:29, 30 November 2017 (UTC)

List of West Virginia state parks

Good morning Corinne! I just finished an expansion of List of West Virginia state parks which I have worked on off-and-on for over two years now! I have nominated this as a Featured List Candidate, and would love if you could take a quick look at it and the language. As you know, brevity and succinctness are not my strong suits! I will be submitting this list for a copyedit once one of my current nominations there has been copyedited. Thank you so much as always! I hope I am not asking too much of you, but I always enjoy and appreciate your copyedits and insights! -- West Virginian (talk) 17:30, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

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West Bengal

Could you just take a look into this section of the article which you recently copy-edited, I had to add more info according to the FARC and ended up muddling the English — comment added by Force Radical (talk • contribs) 07:39, 12 December 2017 (UTC)

Force Radical I did the best I could. I don't know if you were the one who added the HTML &nbsp, but it was over-used and used in the wrong types of places, so I removed them all. The no-break space is to be used sparingly and only to keep single- (or sometimes double-) digit numbers, or single letters, from breaking away from the following word at the end of a line. I prefer the template {{nbsp}}, but that also should be used sparingly. You can leave the addition of these up to copy-editors.

Regarding the literature section I just copy-edited, in the list that appears early in the section, the last item, "and stories related to Gopal Bhar", doesn't seem to parallel the other phrases in the list. It doesn't mention the author; "related to" is a little vague, and those readers not familiar with West Bengal culture will be mystified by "Gopal Bhar". – Corinne (talk) 16:57, 12 December 2017 (UTC)

Also, remember that punctuation goes before references, not after, and, when you use a comma, there should be no space between the word and the comma that follows it. – Corinne (talk) 17:02, 12 December 2017 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) – I feel that the article has too many images. Galleries are deprecated as solitary sections, but maybe a few galleries could be created and folded into existing sections, in lieu of having so many separate images all over the place. Good luck with a FAR! It is worthy. (courtesy ping to: Force Radical) – Having fun! Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk} 22:08, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

Checkingfax – Will do, as soon as the citation issue is done with.- — comment added by Force Radical (talk • contribs) 06:49, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

Corinne,everything's okay, I have no glue as to who put in the nsbp stuff but it was not I. If you could at your leisure run through these two atricles (needing probably minor copyedits and some nbsp templates). — comment added by Force Radical (talk • contribs) 06:49, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

Sloan–Parker House

Good evening Corinne! I just finished expanding the article for the Sloan–Parker House on the NRHP and I was wondering if you could give it a quick look over. I finished this expansion today, and need to look at it with fresh eyes in the morning before nominating it to DYK and GAR. Thank you in advance for all your phenomenal work! -- West Virginian (talk) 03:54, 30 November 2017 (UTC)

West Virginian I didn't even notice until today that you had posted a request for a copy-edit for this article at Wikipedia:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Requests, so, since I had already completed the copy-edit, I accepted the request with the "Working" template, added the "Done" template, and archived it. I hope you weren't hoping for another copy-edit by a different editor. If so, we'll have to re-add your request. Was there more than simply copy-editing that you were hoping I'd do? Let me know if you have any further questions or concerns about the article. – Corinne (talk) 02:27, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

GOCE Requests

Corinne, thank you so much for your recent copyedits of my GOCE requests! I did a cross post request to you, and to the GOCE page for the Sloan-Parker House (with the hopes that you would snag it up there!) I just posted two articles on the GOCE page: Marshall S. Cornwell and List of West Virginia state parks, and I would love, as always, if you could copyedit them whenever you have a free moment! Thanks again for always improving the quality of my contributions! -- West Virginian (talk) 15:50, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

West Virginian You're welcome. I already copy-edited List of West Virginia state parks. – Corinne (talk) 21:38, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

Corinne, thank you so much! When you have an opportunity, would you be able to look over the remarks/notes in the two tables? The list is currently a FLC and one of the reviewers thought that it may be too repetitive if I use full sentence like "The park... I wanted to see what you thought about these. -- West Virginian (talk) 19:25, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

West Virginian Are you referring to the notes in the far right-hand column in the table? I decided to take a look at a similar article that has already achieved featured list status, and found List of Pennsylvania state parks. I see that those notes are either sentence fragments (incomplete sentences, phrases) or complete sentences with a few words left out such as "a", "an", etc. I guess that's what's needed. – Corinne (talk) 22:24, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

I'll get to the notes in a minute; I was just looking at your recent edits. They look fine, but I want to ask you what you think about something in this edit. Do you think that it is clear enough that the possessive adjective "their", in "their integration", refers to "the state park and forest systems" and not to "African Americans"? If so, then leave it as it is. If not, perhaps change "their integration" to "the park and forest systems' integration", "the integration of the parks and forest systems", or "the integration of the parks and forests". I'll leave this up to you. – Corinne (talk) 22:31, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

Thank you so much, Corinne! I've made this change, and appreciate your suggestion! I am putting my finishing touches on Booker T. Washington State Park (West Virginia). After that, I'll have two more former state parks to go! -- West Virginian (talk) 23:16, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

West Virginian You're welcome. I've done my best. I hope I didn't massacre it too much. I took out a few details that I thought were not that interesting. Let me know if you want me to put anything back or if you want me to keep cutting a bit more. – Corinne (talk) 00:02, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

Corinne, thank you so much for your very thorough copyedit! You did a phenomenal job--you know succinctness and paring down sentences are not my strong suits! Since I have been working on this list for over two years now, it was wonderful having another pair of eyes, especially when it comes to selecting out information that isn't that interesting. You know if it were up to me, each of the notes boxes would have an entire article in it! -- West Virginian (talk) 00:05, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

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Iveta Mukuchyan

Hello! Recently, I have nominated an article for copy editing and I have seen that you copy edit articles. If you have an interest in taking a look at the article, please do so. If possible, I would be so grateful. Harout (talk) 15:52 19 December 2017 (UTC)

Harout Thank you for asking. I would be glad to copy-edit the article, but I prefer that you post a request at Wikipedia:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Requests. It takes anywhere from a week to several weeks (depending upon how long the list is and how many copy-editors are working through the list) for an article to move up the queue, but I'll keep an eye out for it and will accept the assignment if another copy-editor has not yet done so. Best regards, – Corinne (talk) 16:15, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for your answer. I have already posted a request at the requests section. I would be glad seeing you accepting the task. Harout (talk) 16:21 19 December 2017 (UTC)

Harout, by my count you have now posted this request, or one like it, on seven different user pages including this one. The whole point behind the GOCE Requests page is that you can request a copyedit there, and it will be taken up by someone in due course. I realize that you are eager to have the article edited, but please do not make multiple requests like this to user pages, just the one at GOCE. As it says there in the instructions, Please be patient, and feel free to improve your requested article while you wait. Thanks! BlueMoonset (talk) 16:47, 19 December 2017 (UTC)