User talk:Dale Arnett/Archive 3

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This archive page covers approximately the dates between June 11, 2006 and May 18, 2007.

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Brian Lara[edit]

Had editing conflict with you apparently, which messed up the page (showed up with big chunk of article missing which was still apparently there when I went to edit). I reverted to a version prior to both of our edits and have added my edits to this version. Please do so for yours, cheers.Feelfreetoblameme 03:29, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Regarding the shortening of display names in college athletics articles[edit]

I noticed some school names were shortened to names the media does not regularly use (such as University of Tennessee-Chattanooga to Chattanooga) simply because the school stopped using that name for athletics. Therefore I also shortened the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee to Milwaukee, as that school does the same for all athletics. I do think it would be prudent here to continue using the accepted standard of listing a school by their chosen brand when referring to athletics teams, i.e. Wisconsin instead of Wisconsin-Madison, UAB instead of Alabama-Birmingham, Chattanooga instead of Tennessee-Chattanooga, etc., etc. CollegeSportsGuy 11:06, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Mid-major discussion[edit]

You might find the current revision of this page interesting...


I had no idea the WAC was a major conference, but the MWC was a mid-major. I've tried reasoning with this fellow here, but have since given up and moved all the non-BCS conferences that met his asinine, undeterminable definitions into the "Major" category, only to have him move several (but not other comparable conferences), including the MWC, back to mid-major. He's also received numerous notes and warnings for his editorial antics and at times, vandalism. Not to mention he's very poor at picking up on sarcasm ;)

Maybe it's time for an admin to act? CollegeSportsGuy 08:05, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Because of their length, the previous discussions on this page have been archived. If further archiving is needed, see Wikipedia:How to archive a talk page.

Previous discussions:

Anglicanism and the Anglican Communion[edit]

Hello! I noticed that you have been a contributor to articles on Anglicanism and the Anglican Communion. You may be interested in checking out a new WikiProject - WikiProject Anglicanism. Please consider signing up and participating in this collaborative effort to improve and expand Anglican-related articles! Cheers! Fishhead64 22:58, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Long talk page[edit]

Greetings! Your talk page is getting a bit long in the tooth - please consider archiving your talk page (or ask me and I'll archive it for you). Cheers! BD2412 T 23:38, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Your DYK nomination for George Zidek was successful[edit]

Updated DYK query Did you know? has been updated. A fact from the article George Zidek, which you recently nominated, has been featured in that section on the Main Page. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

Thanks for your contributions! ++Lar: t/c 12:22, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Hertha BSC Berlin[edit]

I know it doesn't make sense for the reason you mentioned in the UEFA Intertoto Cup 2006 edit, but that's their official name according to UEFA (and also the Bundesliga). So that's why I reverted. - Pal 18:58, 23 June 2006 (UTC)


Updated DYK query On June 26, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Corné Krige, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

Charmaine Hooper[edit]

How much caps have to Charmaine Hooper? (128 or 117) DONOVAN 08:52, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Throughbred racing project[edit]

A number of Wikipedians have come together and formed the WikiProject Throughbred racing to help to expand and better organise information in articles and categories related to the sport of thoroughbred racing. As a past contributor to horse racing articles, we invite you to consider becoming a participant in the project, and/or adding the page to your watchlist so that you become aware, and can join any future horse racing discussions, which may be of interest to you. Regards - Cuddy Wifter 23:38, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

2006 Sooners[edit]

Thanks for fixing that for us on the 2006 Sooners page. Nmajdan and I would have had absolutely no idea to not include the "State" when talking about MTSU athletics. z4ns4tsu\talk 13:45, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

2006 Tri Nations Series[edit]

Hi Dale, I have seen you editing quite a bit of rugby union related articles, perhaps you would like to support the Tri Nations to go on the main page under in ther news. You can vote here: Wikipedia:In the news section on the Main Page/Candidates.--HamedogTalk|@ 08:24, 19 August 2006 (UTC)


Updated DYK query On 20 August, 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Heartland Championship, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

Nice article Dale. Enjoyed reading it. Cheers -- Samir धर्म 06:24, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Notre Dame[edit]

How could song lyrics written ca. 1905 still be under copyright? Wahkeenah 11:58, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

  • I'll have to take your word for it that the verse was written > 1923, barring any other evidence. I have sheet music for it somewhere. I'll have to dig it up. Wahkeenah 17:25, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject Musicians[edit]

A collaboration is currently underway to establish guidelines for musician and band pages. You input is welcome here.--Esprit15d 20:20, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Five tool player category[edit]

I have clarified the intent of the five tool player category and explained my rationale at the CfD you voted on. This may not change your opinion of the matter, but I felt it best to notify you of the change. Erechtheus 00:18, 30 August 2006 (UTC)


_ _ I couldn't imagine why you'd take the trouble to go thru a LoPbN file changing (female) "actor" to "actress", so i consulted my three Collegiate & larger dictionaries. I found that while there is no question what the denotation of "actress" is, none of them gave "a male who acts" as one of the senses of "actor", nor even (to my surprise) used the phrase "esp. a male one" nor in fact used the word "male" at all.
_ _ I don't touch "actress" in bios (since i don't want to go thru the effort of judging if it is a useful and compact clarification there) despite its current connotation of "professional pop-topper, and not to be classed with DeNiro, Branagh, and other practioners of the highly refined craft". But LoPbN is beset with editors who think it is not so much a nav'l device as a good place to "get out the word" on whoever they see fit to add: vital stats, nationality, and field of endeavor that produced their notability is not enuf, everyone should know their beliefs and ancestry and the highlights of their resume and who they sleep next to. And even extinguishing the current increments of that is more than a full-time job. So whatever clarifies the role of LoPbN as navigational is a plus. "Actress" does nothing to help users who come to LoPbN for what it is relatively good at: helping people who have a rough idea of a person's name find that person's bio, via putting lks to similarly spelled names near each other, and giving just enough of the information they are reasonably likely to already have, so that they can usually rule out names that are close but belong to someone else. Having an explicit statement of the gender of an actor (especially one whose given name is shown!) is of essentially zero value in avoiding finding the wrong actor. And typing extra characters to provide that info is an "All details welcome" sign where substantial effort is being expended to communicate that dates, nationality, and field are the only details acceptable outside of clearly visible special cases like father-and-son politicians with identical names.
_ _ List of people by name: Fo is next on my list for cleaning up the previous month's entropy; i trust you'll understand why i'm removing your "actress" designations there without further discussion.
--Jerzyt 17:05, 30 August 2006 (UTC)


All official UPS communications, such as this press release, call it Worldport, not WorldPort. It may have been intercapped at some point, but very soon after the name was changed from Hub 2000, the current form has been in use. Adamkik 08:23, 6 September 2006 (UTC)


the page is protected, so please don't edit it, even though technically you can. -- Chris chat edits essays 18:58, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Busch Gardens Europe[edit]

Good edit about JCC. Hadn't seen your Virginia work in a little while, just thought I'd say hi and good edit! Mark in Historic Triangle of Virginia Vaoverland 17:15, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

WP Bluegrass Region invite[edit]

You are invited to join WP Bluegrass Region, a WP project aimed at improving articles within the central Bluegrass region of Kentucky. I just set the project up not long ago and will be making improvements on it (it's still greek to me!). Seicer (talk) (contribs) 15:19, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

You're a machine![edit]

...And I mean that in a good way. I was editing a couple of completely unrelated articles and I recognized your name from the history of the first in the history of the second. It took me a while to find/remember the first article because your contrib history is so dense. I don't know whether to tell you to keep up the good work or to take a vacation. Anyway, thanks. —BozoTheScary 02:55, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

edf energy cup[edit]

hi there, considering we have done a good job updating the guinness premiership season so far, i suggest when the premiership teams start there edf energy cup campaigns that we start updating the fixtures and group tables for that aswell. do you agree ? User:Noface1

Madison Square Garden[edit]

Hi, since you have written on the Madison Square Garden article before, I want to know if you can comment on the current debate on the Talk page, about whether a sentence I wrote, about WWE blocking WCW from ever having a show in the garden, belongs in the article. My opinion is that the fact is as important to MSG history as it was to the WWE. Milchama 10:56, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

PGA Tour event redirects[edit]

Before you correct anymore redirects of PGA Tour events on players' pages, you might want to consider the overall maintenance issues. Since PGA Tour (and other tours for that matter) event names change quite frequently, is it easier to go into every event winner's page and change the redirect to the new name of the event or go into each version of the event name and change the redirect to the new name? Tewapack 22:15, 30 September 2006 (UTC)


Not a bad effort on the old rugby articles. Are you a fan of the game? Just one tip - in New Zealand, the list of participants ordered by points is called "the table" rather than "the log" (as in "X was top of the table until the unfortunate incident"). The log means something quite different in NZ rugby. Thanks for all your contributions. Orpheus 00:31, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

List of Parkways and named roads in Kentucky[edit]

Do you know how to force the template (table) to the right so it doesn't 'blend' with the route listings? Seicer (talk) (contribs) 20:31, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Your opinion?[edit]

Hi Dale, can you please have a look at Portal talk:Current events/Sports and give your opinion on which of the examples you prefer? Thanks, SportsAddicted 15:25, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Horses born here, and born there[edit]

Would you make a category for Racehorses bred in Texas? And Ohio? Pan Zareta and Stymie were born in Texas, Imp in Ohio. I am sure there are others, or will be. I do love your new category. Going through all my articles to include it. ..Ki Longfellow 17:19, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Wikiproject:Italian Football[edit]

Hi ya. I see you add to Italian Football articles from time to time. Just wondering if you want to check out Wikipedia:Italian Football. We are just hoping to organise our efforts towards improving articles better. If you want to sign up just put your name down under participants on the project. You can do as much or as little work as you like and any ideas on improving pages would be great. Niall123 19:09, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Rugby redux[edit]

Thanks for the 2006 Heartland Championship semifinal updates. I'm still amazed that you've even *heard* of the thing, living outside NZ. On a more personal note, I'm thrilled to see that the two teams I support (the mighty Waikato and the mighty King Country) have not followed their usual pattern of fizzling out early, but are in fact in their respective finals. Not a bad season all round!


Updated DYK query Did you know? was updated. On 21 October, 2006, a fact from the article Miami-FIU brawl, which you recently nominated, has been featured in that section on the Main Page. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--Srikeit (Talk | Email) 19:00, 21 October 2006 (UTC)


Updated DYK query On October 23, 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article James Laurinaitis, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

Proposal for rugby super league[edit]

Leave your opinion on this[1] matter if you are interested. It is basically about the term rugby super league being used as a disambiguation for all rugby competitions by that or a similar name. --Ehinger222 12:44, 23 October 2006 (UTC)


Original Barnstar.png The Original Barnstar
For your hardwork and dedication to making Wikipedia a better place. I, Sharkface217, award you this Original Barnstar. Good job! :-)Sharkface217 04:32, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Did you know[edit]

Updated DYK query On 2 November, 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Miha Zupan, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--GeeJo (t)(c) • 08:32, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Jamestown, Virginia[edit]

I have nominated this article for improvement. Knowing your fine work on Virginia geography articles, I was wondering if you would consider a vote in support? Wikipedia:Article Creation and Improvement Drive Many thanks, Mark in Historic Triangle of Virginia 21:23, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Proposed merger of State-related into Commonwealth System of Higher Education[edit]

I have noticed that the material in these two pages are nearly overlapped entirely, hence a proposed a merger. Please comment on Talk:Commonwealth System of Higher Education. --Samuel Curtis-- TALK 03:35, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Discussion on what to include on sports news page[edit]

Hello Dale,

An important discussion is taking place on Portal talk:Current events/Sports on what scores should be included. Your input would be appreciated. Thanks -- Mwalcoff 02:31, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Women's football (soccer)[edit]

Hi... I notice you've made several contributions to the article Women's football (soccer). This article was recently edited from an anonymous ip which has in the past been a source of vandalism. Could I ask you to review these recent changes for accuracy? Cheers. --Rrburke(talk) 01:32, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject Munich[edit]

TfD nomination of Template:NCAA Tournament MOP Men[edit]

Template:NCAA Tournament MOP Men has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. --American Patriot 1776 17:35, 1 December 2006 (UTC)


Updated DYK query On December 8, 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article 2006 Boise State Broncos football team, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

Hello Dale, and thanks for the article. Great work on the American sports coverage. Happy editing, Blnguyen (bananabucket) 23:51, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

2006 Lexus Cup[edit]

Thanks for fixing some of the city links. ludahai 魯大海 22:27, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Yao Ming[edit]

Hello Dale. I deleted the Rush Hour 3 rumor from Yao's bio. The Houston center rejected the role back in September 2006. Thanks for posting, however. Keep it up. - USLeatherneck 14:29, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

I apologize for the mix up, Dale. I thought it was your post. Clearly, it belongs to user "M3131". Sorry for the error. And, thank you for the correction. - USLeatherneck 14:39, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Request from User:Vaoverland[edit]

Hi! I have been busy working on Wikipedia: WikiProject Virginia and several other projects with User: No1lakersfan most of this past year, partially in preparation and supprt of the Jamestown 2007 event. He is now a high school senior hoping to gain admittance to one of Virginia's public university for the Fall 2007 semester. Following advice, he has done maintenance and reference adding work, as well spending time on articles. He is a good collaborator and I believe he would enhance our efforts with WP as an administrator and use the additional tools and powers wisely. Since you know me from our past communications, I wanted to request that you consider entering a vote, hopefully in support, if you agree with my judgment and recommendation at Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/No1lakersfan 2.

Basket Napoli translation[edit]

Hi Dale,

could you please have a look at this diff? That would "complete the translation" from Italian (so you can move the entry to recently completed) but I'm not sure that Coppa Italia (Italian Cup) qualifies as "division" title. I suppose "division title" is the shield, isn't it? Thanks, Gennaro Prota•Talk 10:07, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Question on your proposed DYK for the 2006 Insight Bowl[edit]

Are you going to nominate it soon? I saw your posting on it on the College Football Project, are you asking the rest of us for some feedback? Personally, you summarized a game I was unable to see even though I live in downtown Minneapolis, less than a mile from the Gopher's home stadium (thank you, NFL Network...). Maybe the problems with the NFL Network (also with the Texas Bowl --which got a lot of media coverage over no cable system in NY/NJ being able to carry the Rutgers game) should be noted as well. --Bobak 21:36, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

New AfD on LoPbN[edit]

I had noticed your recent work on the LoPbN tree, and was writing a long comment for your talk page, partly in the hope that your concerns could trigger a long needed broad discussion about the lack of a WP:MOS for its pages. Then i got word of another deletion debate on the whole tree; at this moment, vote is 10 Del to 7 Keep on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of people by name (2nd nomination). I would appreciate it, if you care to weigh in. Thanks in any case, happy holidays, and i'll be back in touch about the longer-term issues.
--Jerzyt 16:31, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

College football barnstar[edit]

NCAAFootball barnstar.jpg The College football Barnstar
I, User:BigDT, present you with the new college football barnstar for your work with college football articles this season, most notably, creating the much-needed 2006 Boise State Broncos football team article. BigDT 22:31, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

NCAA Userbox Archive[edit]

Hey, I noticed you had made some changes to the userbox for Rutgers on the main archive page. Just so you know, those changes did not get set out to the users who have those boxes transcluded because the source for the boxes is actually on a sub-page and they are then subst'd onto the main page. I changed the Rutgers one already and re-subst'd it onto the main page, but if you made any other changes they probably didn't get put on the actual box. Let me know if you have any more questions. z4ns4tsu\talk 17:23, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

An article which you started, or significantly expanded, 2006 Insight Bowl, was selected for DYK![edit]

Updated DYK query On January 5, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article 2006 Insight Bowl, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

Thanks for your contributions! Nishkid64 04:41, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Notice of Process Inquiry re my msg to you, "New AfD on LoPbN"[edit]

_ _ A colleague has questioned the wisdom and/or propriety of my messages to you and to 14 others, each a retention-voter in a previous LoPbN AfD and/or recently showing heavy interest in LoPbN. For the benefit of the eventual caller of the current AfD, and secondarily as it reflects on my individual behavior and judgement as a Wikipedian, i have undertaken to place this 2nd message before you and the three others who have not acknowledged my respective earlier msgs to you-all.
_ _ I defended my actions in part by asserting the responses to my talk-page messages do not support misgivings on the part of those recipients, while admitting that the non-responding recipients might have been inhibited from responding at least in part by just such misgivings. At my own initiative, i am making this second contact to ensure that at least knowledge of the process question informs your choice to remain silent or comment on the AfD subpage.
_ _ The AfD nomination is stamped 15:44, 31 December 2006; 5x24 hours expires at 15:44, 5 January 2007, approximately (as i post this on the AfD sub-page) whoops, an hour ago, with closer attention of course more likely after midnite UTC, 8 hours hence. I assume potential closers will give it at least a full day from now if any of you have not saved edits between now and then.
--Jerzyt 17:30, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

List of African-American firsts[edit]

GREAT edits! Important disambiguations and an additional entry with a terrifically comprehensive, clarifying footnote. Would that everyone contributing to this article (and Wikipedia) were so encyclopedically savvy! --Tenebrae 01:19, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Athletics at Rutgers University[edit]

Here is my comment here, duplicated here for the purpose of redundancy:

  • I disagree with the proposed move. Mostly for consistency, and because I don't think it necessary (Athletics at Rutgers University is not ambiguous, it's recognizable, and it's within the guidelines of WP:NAME), and until there is a de jure standard, I think it's best left to the decision of the contributors as long as the contributor's decision isn't a departure from the guidelines WP:NAME (which this isn't). Right now, I'm the majority contributor (98% or so of content). Also, considering that I am intending (eventually) of adding a section about recreational or "club" sports (which some of our varsity teams are being reduced to), I'd prefer to keep it at "Athletics at Rutgers University" rather than moving it Rutgers Scarlet Knights because club sports don't fall under the "Scarlet Knights" rubric. Lastly, for consistency, the articles affiliated with Rutgers are all set up as X at Rutgers or X of Rutgers. History of Rutgers University won't be renamed Rutgers University history because most affiliated history articles are entitled History of X. To have one article be renamed as such (or even as Rutgers University athletics) and others X of Rutgers, etc. would be deal an aesthetic deficiency to any enumeration of Rutgers-related articles. Lastly, this article's title is consistent with an incalculable number of articles like Transportation in Azerbaijan, Politics of New Jersey, etc. —ExplorerCDT 09:45, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

I do hope that your statement of "I'm an admin" won't be manifested in your taking executive action to move this regardless or an attempt to intimidate by an appeal to authority, because, frankly, that's what it seemed to unnecessarily smack of. What Shelley referred to as that "sneer of cold command." —ExplorerCDT 09:56, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

  • Thank you for withdrawing that proposal. —ExplorerCDT 10:04, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

An article which you started, or significantly expanded, Kentucky High School Athletic Association, was selected for DYK![edit]

Updated DYK query On January 14, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Kentucky High School Athletic Association, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

Thanks for your contributions! Nishkid64 00:58, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Administration request[edit]

Could you please ban User:Alansohn for a very long time for what he's been doing on Joyce Kilmer? Also view the talk page to find out more as to "why". I'm to the point now that I really wish he'd die or go away, but I know he won't. —ExplorerCDT 06:42, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Heineken Cup[edit]

So Dale you seem to be an Ardent Rugby Fan so I would like 2 ask you who do you think would win the Heineken Cup .My bets on Either Munster or Biarritz.!! What about You??..Anywayz Congratulations on your 45000th Edits Cometstyles talk

European Challenge Cup[edit]

Ther needs to be a lot of work to be done in the above mentioned article and I hope you are the person to do it because you are the only admin i know who is a Rugby enthusiast.The article needs to be updated and Wikified and I hope you can do something about it..Bye..Hope 2 hear 4rm U Soon.. ø~Cometstyles~ø(talk)

THE SCORELINE BETWEEN PARMA AND BORDERS ISNT 39 -30 BUT 45 37 ..OK CHECK IT OUT 4 YOURSELF--Cometstyles 17:14, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Fiji Rugby[edit]

Hi I was interested in asking you if you would like to be part of a project WP:RUFR, started by me but revamped with the help of Shudda. Its basically a workgroup regarding Fiji Rugby and it would be a great pleasure 2 have you Abroad.Just click on the above link and sign up..Thanx and yeah thanx 4 Joining WP:RU..ø~Cometstyles~ø(talk)

Crusaders peer review[edit]

Hi, I've requested a peer review for Crusaders. Could everyone please take a look and help out? I'm trying to get the article up to Featured Article standard, and would like any feedback I can get. You can add any comments here. Thanks a lot! - Shudda talk 03:37, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Re: Collapsed NC sports venues and Triad sports categories into new Triad venues category[edit]

OK, when I caught a glimpse of that edit summary, my first thought was, "What? Ernie Shore Field collapsed?" d:) Wahkeenah 19:35, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Flag icons[edit]

Hello Dale, I noticed you changed some flag icons at Calendar of current and future sports events and I was wondering what the reason behind those changes was? Not that I bother much, but the codes I used are the ones normally used in sports and the result is exactly the same, which is a flag of the country. Cheers, SportsAddicted | discuss 00:23, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

I was wanting to eliminate redirects, but now that I think of it a little more, it's not really that much of an issue.  :) — Dale Arnett 03:19, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
LOL, good, as I have used these all over Wikipedia ;) Isn't that what we have redirects for? SportsAddicted | discuss 07:13, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

An article which you started, or significantly expanded, Andy Dalton, was selected for DYK![edit]

Updated DYK query On February 1, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Andy Dalton, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

Thanks for your contributions! Nishkid64 21:27, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Greg Page Apartments (University of Kentucky)[edit]

I found the campus plan that provides a lot of insight on future projects and renderings. I would like to incorporate the renderings and map sketches into the pages, but wondered if splitting it off onto another article would be best. For now, I placed some at Buildings at the University of Kentucky#Future. I also created Greg Page Apartments (University of Kentucky), but this needs expansion with the future residential village (that will include the demolition of Shawneetown) - but should the two complexes be combined into one article? Seicer (talk) (contribs) 17:22, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

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Executive Order 9835 - Peer review[edit]

Hello. I noticed you had edited the article Executive Order 9835 in the past, which is now up for peer review. Eventually this will be followed by an attempt at Good Article status and maybe one day, FA. Any input and or editing help you could or wanted to contribute would be greatly appreciated. I think the article is good and has the potential to be great. Thanks in advance. A mcmurray 05:00, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Christophe Lamaison[edit]

Hi, because of your request for the article Christophe Lamaison I've started one in my sandbox here. Considering he is France's record point scorer it is ridiculous he doesn't have an article. I've been trying to find some good sources for info. If you have any, please add them to sandbox's external links section. If you could help contribute, that would be great also. Thanks. - Shudda talk 03:23, 9 February 2007 (UTC)


I'm writing about three aspects of your work on the LoPbN tree:

  1. I've intended for some time to address more than an edit summary to your use of what i'd perhaps describe as "British sub-nationalities" on sports-figure entries, but worrying the discussion would take more time than i want to give it right now in the face of other (even more) pressing LoPbN matters. Let me just hint at my line of thot for now, w/o giving in to the temptation to muster what i always fantasize will be an irresistable compilation of evidence! To wit, the format of LoPbN is intended to be terse and standardized (rigidly so, frankly, in both cases), and to parallel WP:MOSBIO, which calls for vital stats & what i think of as "passport nationality" (for moderns) in the lead sent. I think i grasp the merits of your preference, and i would support its use in bio articles, in the context of a style guideline consistent with keeping the beginning of the lead sent as at present, and with avoiding confusion. Regardless, i can't see how it could reasonably be fitted into LoPbN entries, since it amounts to a special case for a single area of endeavor, and for few (if more than one) fully recognized independent states. I've been (at most!) sporadic at reversing your introductions of it, bcz i don't want to deal now with that distraction if we can't easily reach agreement about it. And for now, i'm going to try to be even more conscientiously blind to new and old instances -- unless you should turn out to be so (IMO) unreasonably generous as to respond "Oh, the person not the team; OK, i get it." in response to such a brief case as this.
  2. I think there is probably no harm (and maybe a bit of long-term benefit, via increasing awareness on the part of infrequent entry contributors) in your practice of converting existing entries to {{Tl:LoPbN Entry}} transclusions. But for me that would be more work than i see as worthwhile. I think its creator was intent on reducing mis-formating (with ease of formatting the lk itself as a side benefit); my sense is you are too conscientious to need the Tl to get it right, nor by the same token, to save enuf effort in getting it right to benefit from not having to think abt the punctuation. I use the Tl in 2 situations myself, with the goal of saving effort:
    -- when adding new entries, and
    -- when fixing entries that need piping bcz the original editor lk'd unpiped, mentioning only the article title, or only the inverted and/or non-Dab'd version of it.
    That saves me on cut-and-pasting, which i do too much of despite introduction of the Tl. So if you preferred to follow my example in that, my opinion of your work would not suffer in the least.
  3. Having said all that, i'd be neglectful if i failed to go on and say that seeing your sig in my intensive RC patrol of the tree is a comforting thing (aside from the thot "oh, gosh, i still haven't given Dale the attention [hmm, i guess Dale Evans's influence was short-lived; i make this 11.5:1 odds against "she", since you're a Yank after all:] he deserves". I appreciate the frequency with which you work on this IMO-under-edited resource, the notability of the entries you add, and your evident care in coding them.

--Jerzyt 00:21, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

_ _ Your admirable persistence re soccer/football has

  1. made headway against my stubbornness (Congratulations!), and
  2. convinced me that my stubbornness is counter-productive with respect to the issue you raise (at least most recently) in the form of yr summary
    (→Lai - Lal - For Lalas, "soccer" is a better term than "football". Calling an American a "football" player implies American football.)
    and that your sustained interest in this aspect of LoPbN terminology will likely mean your taking the lead in resolving it, and puts it in good hands in the long run.

While i'm still not convinced that you've already found the best available solution (and while longer experience and perhaps even more eyeballs will surely be worth attention), i think your persistence and apparent intrinsic interest bode well for your leading the effort to identify that solution.
_ _ I don't like counting on users to infer that LoPbN means different things depending on the nationality of the person playing "football" (and not primarily bcz, IIRC, there are Irish nationals playing Australian-rules -- or was it Australians playing Gaelic-rules?): many users may forget that there is any context in which "football" can mean "soccer", or presumaly (for a different set of users), one where it can mean "American football". No more, i think, than you like counting on them to put the broadest possible reading on the word "football", which (under pressure) i have to admit has a similarly spotty prospect of success. I'll mention other thots that i might pursue, if i had adequate dedication to the subject of sports, in line with my sense that

  1. providing info on LoPbN pages,
  2. using specialized terminology (e.g. lama, deacon, mullah, or for that matter bishop or preacher) where a general description (religious leader, in these cases) will do, or
  3. relying on nationality to set context

each undercuts WP goals. I offer these, really, only to perhaps stimulate your imagination in your long-term musings on the problem:

  1. I've previously met neither
    a Dab where i saw any justification for including a lk to something other than the article with the best info on one sense of the dab'd term, nor
    an LoPbN entry where i saw any justification for including a lk to something other than the bio of one, (rarely) two, or (almost never -- e.g. Ritz Brothers) three people
    but this may be a situation calling for
    [[<bio-article title>|<inverted name>]] (<vital stats>), <nationality> [[Games involving both running and ball-kicking|kicking-game]] player
  2. For either soccer or other-football players (and similarly for other figures related to those sports), whose names are not subject to confusion with those in other team sports, imitate:
    Parker-Dugashvili, Bucky (born 1975), American team-sport player
    but in the few remaining cases, imitate this pair:
    Smith, Jo (born 1970), American team-sport player -- football (soccer)
    Smith, Joe (born 1968), American team-sport player -- football (rugby-descended) [or "(gridiron)" or whatever]
  3. For the same bios, but regardless of whether confusion can occur, re the construction <nationality> <game> <role in game> (with <role in game> being, e.g., player, coach, manager, but not a playing position), deploy a bot that tours the LoPbN tree, via Template:List of people by name exhaustive page-index (unsectioned), searching for entries with "football" but lacking the appropriate parenthetical, as the <game>, checking the bio's Cats for descendants of Category:Football, modifying the <game> by inserting the indicated parenthetical (in the absence of a {{No football bot}} tag in the bio), and in other cases providing the operator with the text from the portions of the bio most likely to be relevant, and the options to change the entry to "... (soccer)", etc., or insert the No-football-bot tag, or other options to be determined.

_ _ With best wishes, and hoping for your continued interest,
--Jerzyt 17:56, 24 February 2007 (UTC)


Thank you for your adding of some interesting content to the Kentucky article, as well as doing some cleanup. The info about county creation exhibits very good detail. Stevie is the man! TalkWork 19:31, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Mid-Continent Conference[edit]

Thanks for including the original names of SW Missouri State and Troy State. However, I think we should make them read as SW Missouri State University (now Missouri State University).Fbdave 02:15, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Montreal screwjob FAC[edit]

Hi Dale Arnett - observing your interest in professional wrestling articles, I request you to have a look at this article and weigh-in on its FAC. As you can understand, there is a paucity of interest in the subject around here so I do value your input. Rama's arrow 20:16, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Josh Heytvelt on DYK for 9 March 2007[edit]

Updated DYK query On 9 March, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Josh Heytvelt, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

Thank you for expanding the article. — ERcheck (talk) 02:14, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Portal: Current events/Sports[edit]

Hi Dale
As a regular contributer to this article, I'd like to see your opinion in the discussion on the talk page. --Nitsansh 23:45, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Can you help me out?[edit]

With editing the article Carolina Blue. I think it is relevant in the discussion of the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, as well as North Carolina Tar Heels. I am having a time editing it, as I am not very proficient in editing wikipedia. I just have the basics down. Thanks for your help Ebtunc2006 16:25, 16 March 2007 (UTC)


Hi, I need a bit of help from an administrator with some pages. A group of us Wikipedian’s started a WikiProject under the name Wikipedia:WikiProject Kurdistan, but someone went and changed the name of the project and all its subpages to different names. I tired moving some of the pages back, but some of the pages cannot be moved back. It requires an administrator to move them back to their original names. Any help would be appreciated! --D.Kurdistani 22:20, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, in fact it is just the opposite. Following the discussions at WP Proposals, this user unilaterally started that page. There is a discussion at its talk page, any such moves are premature.. Baristarim 16:11, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Too early for April[edit]

Hello. Can you please zap April 2007 in sports in preparation for the upcoming month archiving process? I've already moved the detail so nothing will be lost and I will be alert late on March 31 to make the archive go smoothly. I am assuming that you are familiar with this archive process and how it works, as to why this is necessary, but if you want me to go into more detail, please let me know and I will be happy to elaborate. --After Midnight 0001 15:10, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

LOL, ironically, after waiting a while before asking you, AzaToth took care of this just 9 minutes later. --After Midnight 0001 15:33, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

In the News[edit]

Whoops! Good catch. Much embarrassment on my part. Thanks for the fix! Teke 03:48, 30 March 2007 (UTC)


Working Man's Barnstar.png The Working Man's Barnstar
For your fine work on all things sports related, especially Rugby union - Shudda talk 07:06, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Hey, thanks for your work on the 2007 Hong Kong Sevens. I was going to update the article earlier today but you had already done it! You deserve that barnstar, you contribute a lot to RU related articles. Btw, you should consider trying to have the HK 7's result in the In the news section. I'd consider Sevens' most prestigious event notable enough. - Shudda talk 07:06, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

No one outside the USA, save sports fans...[edit]

...knows what "LSU" stands for. Remember, Wikipedia is an worldwide resource. Hence, "Louisiana State" fits into the criteria. NoseNuggets 7:39 PM US EDT Apr 1 2007.

Some additions to the Palabarbuto article[edit]

Hi Dale,

I thought you might be interested to check some (few) additions I made to the PalaBarbuto article. They are from the corresponding Italian entry, but I'm not enough into basketball to verify them (the location is exact; for the rest I don't know).

Cheers, Gennaro Prota•Talk 17:55, 2 April 2007 (UTC)


Original Barnstar.png The Original Barnstar
In recognition of your astounding work in all aspects of sports, especially with college football, I, Mastrchf91, award you, Dale Arnett, with the Original Barnstar award. Congratulations, and keep up the good work!

eu:Txantiloi:Izar arrunta


Updated DYK query On 7 April, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Adriano Moraes, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--Andrew Levine 19:26, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Frank Jasper (Vision Quest) Article Scheduled For Deletion[edit]

Hi there, You have shown through your contributions that you're a fan of the 1980s movie "Vision Quest". I created an article on actor Frank Jasper who played the villian, Brian Shute, in the movie. I've also included information about what Dr. Jasper is doing now. Many people have wondered through Wikipedia and Imdb whatever happened to him, and I've tried to put this information out there for everyone. Unfortunately, some people think the article should be deleted for whatever reason. If you loved the movie as much as I did, please go to this link and voice your support before the article is deleted. Thanks a lot. I would appreciate your support very much.

Mister Jinxy 20:10, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Help Please[edit]

There is a vandal on here who is trying to get me blocked, I don't know why, he is User:Glfootball92.

Southluver 12:52, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Yr fine LoPbN work[edit]

_ _ How time flies! It's been two full months since i've distracted you. I scratched my head a little over your edit on Eidur G.'s LoPbN entry, mostly bcz i've pretty much go around leaving transliterations as i find them, or occasionally moving them in the direction of the article title. But on reflection the point i cite in the "counter annotation" i left there in a comment next to it (re putting even merely-apparent surnames first) applies to your change as well: edh & thorn are for specialists, and thanks for reminding me that just bcz i've been made moderately comfortable with them is no reason to doubt the good sense of their suppression in the piping of LoPbN lks. I'm not gonna make that project, but i'm glad for that edit by you. (I'm not sure what percentage of such usages are on my sometime list of them -- i see that the vaguely familiar Eiður is -- but in case you have enough interest, it's there for you.)
_ _ In any case it's an opportunity to note (i hope not for the first time) how often i have the pleasure of noticing your work on the list. Thanks, & hope you find it worthwhile keeping up the good work!
--Jerzyt 18:33, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

A. W. Tillinghast[edit]

On principle, i dislike "golf-course architect": it's too many words for the amt of info it conveys, and it is unlikely to help users, who already roughly know the person's name, in their finding the right person by that name. In practice, i wouldn't care except that it is a camel's nose for the sentence-long descriptions whose elimination "low-resolution terminology" is essentially about (which is why i'm still mulling it). (And i also think architecture is a discipline where even those who are the most narrowly focused on the buildings themselves are competent outdoor architects. (Note the standard "architects and engineers" business model; if there's someone focused on buildings, its the engineers you're thinking of, IMO.) Hope you'll give this more thot; IMO you're more likely to come up with a better term than i, who would probably continue to settle for just "architect". Thanks for your attention.
--Jerzyt 00:03, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Scores being removed[edit]

Dale, NoseNuggets has removed scores of 2nd round hockey games on Portal:Current events/Sports in what I believe is violation of the consensus on Portal talk:Current events/Sports. I really don't want to start a revert war over there, but it seems like he thinks that he owns the page and trying to convince him is like talking to a brick wall. Can you please consider intervening in the matter? --After Midnight 0001 10:19, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Let me say, of course, that if you would rather not get involved, or feel that I am in the wrong, you sould please let me know. --After Midnight 0001 15:51, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
I looked at the talk page in question, and apparently there was a consensus a year ago to omit individual scores for the first two rounds of the Stanley Cup Playoffs on the "current events" page, except games that eliminated a team and results that were unusually newsworthy (e.g. multiple overtimes, suspensions). — Dale Arnett 15:54, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
OK, so are you basically saying that last year's consensus overrides this year's consensus to start posting scores for each game in the round of 8 as is done with MLB? --After Midnight 0001 18:18, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
Hmmm. Now that I think of it, maybe this is something I don't really have a strong enough opinion on one way or another to get involved. However, I do think the suggestion to have different "current sports events" pages for North America and the rest of the world is an idea that's long overdue. Of course, this would require a consensus on which events and stories should be crosslisted. — Dale Arnett 18:23, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
OK, thanks, anyways. Regarding the other item, I can't imagine anyone ever coming to consensus on that if people are removing scores because they are taking up too much bandwidth. --After Midnight 0001 21:06, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Deletion debate on ZIP codes[edit]

An {{afd}} tag has been placed on List of 56 ZIP codes and many other pages, requesting that they be deleted from Wikipedia. All Wikipedians can join the debate at Articles for deletion, where articles asserted to be inappropriate to Wikipedia are discussed. You are encouraged to submit your opinion, and remember that Articles for Deletion debates are not a vote. Please do not remove the deletion tag yourself, but don't feel inhibited from editing the article, particularly if doing so makes it clear that it is a useful contribution to an encyclopaedia. On behalf of Snowolf, my owner, Snowbot 16:21, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Kansas Lottery Indy 300[edit]

I definitely botched this when I posted it, I'm not sure what I did, perhaps I posted the season standings from before the race? I guess how I did it doesn't matter... At any rate, I think that the results that you posted (Tony Kanaan, Dan Wheldon, Vitor Meira) are also incorrect. Is it supposed to be Wheldon, Franchitti, Castroneves per [2]? I'm afraid of changing it until I know that I've got the right results. --After Midnight 0001 22:25, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

You're right. Looks like I read the wrong report from the IRL site. — Dale Arnett 22:42, 30 April 2007 (UTC)


I do not know whether Billy Jack Haskins is related to Clem Haskins, but your assumption that they are not related solely based on the color of their skin is both racist and ignorant. Interracial marriage is legal in the United States and their is such a thing as miscegenation. Please leave racist explanations for edits off of wikipedia.--Thomas.macmillan 00:19, 3 May 2007 (UTC)


Updated DYK query On 5 May, 2007, Did you know? was updated with facts from the articles Multistate Essay Examination and Multistate Performance Test, both of which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--howcheng {chat} 07:25, 5 May 2007 (UTC)


I noticed you switched the positioning of the NHL series games, to put the winner first. I had originally entered them as "away team" vs. "home team". I prefer this way, but I would assume you prefer the now-current way. Do you think we should switch it back, or go ahead and just leave it? Just a curiosity thing here. Please reply on my talk page. Jmlk17 07:01, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

I must have missed that. I shall keep that in mind for my future edits and updates. Thanks! Jmlk17 07:43, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Deletion of Category:Clubs formed by a merger[edit]

As the person who started this category, surely I was within my rights to expect that I would be told about the discussion which occurred, in my absence, to delete the category. This would have given me the opportunity to give my reasons for creating it in the first place.

In future, if one of the articles or categories that I started falls into the category for deletion, surely it is only good manners to let me know!!

Please respond Dreamweaverjack 16:40, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

I had what one might call a "brain fart". Should have thought about looking in the history to see who the creator was. Admittedly, I wasn't the only one who didn't think about looking up the creator, but as the nominator I should have been the first one! Criticism noted and accepted.

World Thoroughbred Racehorse Rankings[edit]

I've noticed that in the article 2006 World Thoroughbred Racehorse Rankings you recently changed every occurrence of "Great Britain" to "United Kingdom" and "Ireland" to "Republic of Ireland". The International Federation of Horseracing Authorities, which issues the WTRR, always refers to GB and Ireland (see IFHA International Agreement, Article 4, Appendix 2). The two regions are covered by separate authorites, the British Horseracing Board and Horse Racing Ireland. Northern Ireland, which is part of the United Kingdom, is covered by the Irish Board and so "UK" should not be used. I hope you understand my reasons for reverting the edit. -- Zafonic 18:36, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

  • Noted and accepted. — Dale Arnett 18:43, 18 May 2007 (UTC)