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Hey FD, I wanted to let you know I made some minor edits to slightly refactor and reword your TBAN proposal to use the Support/Oppose format more common to ANI sanction proposals, and to include the boilerplate language usually used for the wording of a TBAN itself: directly referencing the CTOP area and including the "broadly construed" language is highly useful in keeping the constraints of such a CBAN clear, thus being fairer to the person placed under the sanction while also reducing likelihood it will be violated at the edges. Still, I hope you don't mind the presumption! SnowRise let's rap00:26, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
Don't really know what to say here after all this time, other than I feel like a lot of our alleged issues stem from a misunderstanding that I believe we could easily work out were we to actually talk to one another in a frank and open discussion. I'm happy to have it on either of our talk pages, but all things considered I think it would be better to have such a discussion either via email or Discord DM. Det finns så mycket man inte känner till. Will understand if you're not interested, but I think it would be better for the entire community at this point were we to sort this out one way or the other. Kind regards, Homeostasis07 (talk/contributions) 02:51, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
@Homeostasis07: To be honest I don't have any issues with you, I've just been trying to avoid interacting with you. You seem to be the one still holding on to issues with me, given you brought up our past dispute as leverage in an RfA, and then you became the sole opposer of an ANI sanction I proposed as your very first edit to ANI in the over eight months since our last dispute there.
Why don't we just agree to not interact with each other, not mention the other (directly or indirectly), and not participate in discussions that the other has already participated in? That's something I've been doing for a while now anyways, and I would greatly appreciate it if you could afford me the same. ––FormalDude(talk)03:23, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
Please assume good faith, and practice it. Your revisions of edit I have made tend to show a lack of good faith and are highly judgmental. You undid grammatical corrections I made. That you undid grammatical corrections tends to be suggestive that you did not bother to read the edit - lack of good faith. As for your most recent undoing of edits I made; I linked to a video that is 1 of the 4 videos listed on the page. Also, rather than just undoing edits, how about using the talk page to discuss edits that reference materials that has been on the page for many days. Thank you AgntOtrth (talk) 00:55, 2 September 2023 (UTC)
Reverting your edits doesn't mean I'm not assuming good faith, it's common WP:BRD. You added a reference to Facebook, that's not allowed per WP:SPS. External video links are not the same as references. You also added a sentence that was incoherent. Try to understand how you may be making the article worse, and familiarize yourself with our policies and guidelines. I'll use the talk page if there's a genuine dispute, but going to the talk page instead of just fixing your errors would be a waste of time. Of course you can feel free to start a talk page discussion if you think any of the corrections I've made were mistaken. ––FormalDude(talk)03:00, 2 September 2023 (UTC)
you removed grammatical edits, you made the article worse by removing the needed grammatical corrections. So please follow your own advice and Try to understand how you may be making the article worse. You made the article worse, you made the article grammatically incorrect. It was not a good faith edit on your part to remove edits that made the article grammatically correct. AgntOtrth (talk) 06:09, 2 September 2023 (UTC)
I don't think you understand the meaning of good faith. I have never once claimed that you are making errors deliberately. I see now that my first rollback incidentally restored a small typo that you fixed, my mistake. I didn't notice that as the majority of the rollback was restoring content you removed without explanation and removing a broken sentence you added. ––FormalDude(talk)06:18, 2 September 2023 (UTC)
Disruptive conduct
You reverted an edit claiming it was just a video; your claim is verifiably FALSE, There is an entire article.
Secondly, IN CONTEXT, ergo, not a talk show, not science, not politics, foxnews is not prohibited. Context matters, and in context the use is not prohibited. Please familiarize yourself with the use of the reliable source list. AgntOtrth (talk) 03:42, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
Hi FormalDude. Regarding one of your most recent comments on the Adolf Rizzler RfD ([1]) — I’m just leaving you a message here to request that you strike the final sentence of that comment. I understand and respect that you disagree with me on whether or not the redirect should be kept, but—to be frank—I don’t appreciate the implication conveyed by your comment that my mind is one that doesn’t understand the definitions of novel and obscure. I’d therefore request that you strike that final sentence, as - although I appreciate that you may well have made the comment in good faith; and once again, being frank - it could be interpreted as being a thinly veiled personal attack. Thank you. A smart kitten (talk) 14:14, 2 September 2023 (UTC)
Adding to this because it just occurred to me that my comment beforehand may have been seen as being condescending. I apologise if it was. It’s hard to convey tone on the internet sometimes. To be clear, I was stating in good faith that, reasonable minds may differ on the matter; rather than trying to hit a below-the-belt blow. A smart kitten (talk) 14:29, 2 September 2023 (UTC)
@Muhammad Asad Mumtaz: If your life and achievements are verifiable and genuinely notable, someone else will probably create an article about you sooner or later, but creating an article about yourself is strongly discouraged. If you really think that you can meet the inclusion criteria, and if you are willing to accept that your article must be neutral and non-promotional, then propose one at Articles for Creation instead of creating one directly. ––FormalDude(talk)12:45, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
Question from Lailahjinx (13:37, 8 September 2023)
I see, for some reason that is not how the link you provided displays for me. Still though, Lord Nicholas James Hodgkinson does not appear to be notable themselves. Notability is not inherited simply by being related to a notable person. ––FormalDude(talk)03:10, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
I deleted this article after you tagged it for speedy deletion. But, for the future, I want to recommend that in cases like this, you let the AFD run its course. Since it was deleted as a CSD G7, should the article want to restore this article, it would be restored upon request. If it was deleted through an AFD Delete decision, this would not happen. So, while CSD is quicker than AFD, an AFD deletion is longer lasting and might have been a better choice with this article. Just something to consider. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Liz (talk • contribs) 23:37, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
I know what you mean, but I think an author agreeing to deletion after the start of an AfD shows a consensus that the article should be deleted, making it a sort of WP:SNOW close to avoid unnecessary procedure. An undeletion request from them after agreeing to deletion in an AfD should be controversial enough to be denied. ––FormalDude(talk)23:45, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
Subject on one of your recent edits
Your edit about PragerU’s topic on Robert E. Lee was removed, I started a talk page to try and add it back up, can you look into this if you get the chance as I don’t know much about the topic Bobisland (talk) 23:56, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
Hi there, just getting started but not sure how to go about it. I;m in the food business and I'm 77 years old and would like to post my business accomplishments before it's too late to do so. I hope you're a patient person. --Kyfoodie (talk) 15:55, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
On 30 September 2023, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Iron Man, which you recently nominated. The fact was ... that Stan Lee modeled Tony Stark after 20th-century business magnate Howard Hughes? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Iron Man. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Iron Man), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
That was way too fast to call that a WP:SNOW. Four votes in four hours that took place while most of the rest of the world that doesn't reside in the US were asleep. TarnishedPathtalk23:08, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
Consider the context: there was no prior discussion about the RM, and it was 5 weeks after the exact same question had been posed to the community in an RM. ––FormalDude(talk)07:55, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
Your basis for closing was WP:SNOW. Admittedly as you point out, 6 1/2 weeks (17 August 2023 to 2 October 2023) is way too fast to be having pretty much the same RM discussion again. Part of my reason for withdrawing the RM I started, aside the amount of NOs, was that I'd realised I'd stuffed up in my choice of target. This RM is what I would have chosen as a choice of target after reading some of the NOs from the discussion I started, not that I would have chosen to put an RM so soon without some sort of appetite. However, given that it was started (presuming good faith on behalf of the IP), I think that you acted exceedingly premature calling this a WP:SNOW given that there are many time zones on this planet. Given the considerations you point out and the fact we don't all live in the US of A, I think it would have been appropriate to leave the RM open for 24 hours before calling WP:SNOW, if that's what the votes called for at that time. TarnishedPathtalk10:12, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
@FormalDude, hello! I've continued to deal with some ongoing health challenges. I took your invitation to view the latest discussions about sources relating to the Church. I don't feel I have much to add to those discussions at this time, which is why I haven't weighed in on anything. But if something new comes up on those pages, I'll gladly join the discussion when I feel so inclined. I wanted to advise you that I have looked at 4 pending edits here and have found nothing wrong with them. I understand that Wikipedia requires special permissions to accept such edits and wondered if you are in a position to accept those changes. Also, I am wondering about whether you'd think I might qualify for additional user permissions myself, and if that's something you think I should pursue. I'd like to be able to be more helpful here if I can be. And I've had certain situations where I wish my opinion and perspective here carried more weight. Some have previously suggested I should pursue becoming an admin. I don't think that's the right route for me at this time, but if I can help with some of the same things you have helped with in the past, I'd be interested in doing so. Any thoughts? Thanks. Jgstokes (talk) 00:54, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
Hey Jgstokes, nice to hear from you! I reviewed those pending edits and actually found a number of problems. Not all bad, I kept one of their additions, but the rest I reverted. I started a discussion on the talk page about it as well.
To be clear, userrights do not carry any additional authority with them. Wikipedia is built on the ideal that all editors are equal, even admins. That's not to say that people don't dismiss users on the basis that they're not as experienced, just that they are wrong to do so. I think you'd be well suited at being a pending changes reviewer. Take a look at WP:Reviewing pending changes#Becoming a reviewer and feel free to request it if you believe that you meet the criteria. You could also request rollback rights, which is a tool that allows you to undo a user's recent edits to a page in mass, it is particularly helpful for reverting vandalism. ––FormalDude(talk)05:28, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
FormalDude, thank you for looking that over so promptly. I saw the talk page discussion and agree with what you said. I am not necessarily looking for "authority", and I'm grateful for the reminder that all Wikipedians are (or should be) equal. I just feel like I could be doing more here. I have gone ahead and submitted a request to become a pending changes reviewer and have requested rollback rights as well. I think that's a reasonale place to start. Thanks for those suggestions. Keep up the great work! --Jgstokes (talk) 08:52, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
Imani institute has carried out a benchmark on library operation from pendo Institute ,write a report to showcase what learnt on that visit (30 marks) --Chrispine Oduor (talk) 05:20, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
Hello. This currently shows last updated today (26 Sep), but the page's history shows last updated 16 Sep. If it can't be made to show the true date of last update, it should be removed as pointless and possibly misleading. ―Mandruss☎11:08, 26 September 2023 (UTC)
Hello. You may have noticed a number of changes made to Wikipedia pages about the Church by User:Dmm1169, with whom I've developed a good working relationship. His contributions have been invaluable. It was recently determined to split off United States temples from the List of temples of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints by geographic region page. A new page was created, but because the user in question failed to cite the relevant policy in creating the page, the new page has been flagged for a potential copyright violation. I've advised him why this issue occurred, but I am not sure if there's anything I know of that can help fix this situation. When I explained the situation to him, I promised to do what I could to help clear this up. Do you have any suggestions in this case? Also, I was able to be granted both of the permissions we discussed, so I'm looking forward to helping out more with those items as well. Thanks. Jgstokes (talk) 04:53, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
No worries, I'm not sure what it was because I don't see anything in the page history. Copying from within Wikipedia is usually never a copyright violation, though it can be done improperly if you don't mention the page you copied the text from. That is easily fixed though with a WP:DUMMY edit summary mentioning the article the text originated from, or by adding {{copied from}} to the talk page. ––FormalDude(talk)05:35, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
Yeah. It's gone. I guess somehow between my message to the editor in question and my request for you to help, it was somehow resolved. The user in question told me about some policies that support the way he did it, and I was vaguely aware of the existence of those policies, so somehow or another, it was able to be resolved. No muss, no fuss. Thanks. Jgstokes (talk) 05:41, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
@Jgstokes: I see now in the page logs that it was marked by a bot for page triage. I believe that just flags it in the New Pages Feed as a potentially copyright violation, which is meant to alert new page reviewers to look into it. Any reviewer who does will see that it does not constitute a copyright violation. Though someone still should probably add the proper attribution through a dummy edit or the copied from template. ––FormalDude(talk)05:42, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
You didn't add the parameters and you used bracket links when they weren't needed. It's also a banner so it just goes at the top of the page. I've taken care of it. ––FormalDude(talk)06:09, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
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A barnstar for you!
The Deletionist's Barnstar
In recognition of your excellent work at AfD, but maybe in the future not be so diligent in nominating my articles there?😃
@BBQboffin: Lol thanks, though I don't consider myself a deletionist. On the bright side, one of your article's deletion discussion resulted in keep, so you've got an official stamp of approval on it from the community! ––FormalDude(talk)23:12, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
DYK for Life
On 5 November 2023, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Life, which you recently nominated. The fact was ... that life exists in every part of the biosphere, from the deepest parts of the ocean (bacterium pictured) to altitudes of up to 40 miles (64 km) in the atmosphere? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Life. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Life), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
Hi LorentBerbatovci, welcome to Wikipedia! To add an image to an infobox, set the image parameter to the name of the file you want to add to it. See Template:Infobox#Illustration images for more info. If the image is not yet uploaded to Commons, you can upload one yourself, but only if it is freely licensed. For a file to be considered "free" under Wikipedia's Image use policy, the license must allow for both commercial reuse and derivative works. ––FormalDude(talk)04:53, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
Women in Red
Hi there, FormalDude. After your recent success with Patricia Banks Edmiston, I was sorry to see you had deleted the Women in Red template from you user boxes. I hope this does not mean you are no longer interested in writing interesting articles about women. In any case, thanks for all your efforts and happy editing!--Ipigott (talk) 08:56, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
Hi @Ipigott, thanks for reaching out. No, it doesn't mean that at all; writing and improving articles about women is still one of my primary goals. I removed the ubx because I wasn't sure I'd contributed enough to the WikiProject lately–there's many editors who have done a lot more than me. I've gone ahead and added it back, at least just to encourage others to join the WP. ––FormalDude(talk)12:02, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
Question from Paul A Tobin (14:54, 7 December 2023)
Hi
I wrote five textbooks that were published in 2007 by Morgan Claypool publishing and are now published by Springerlink. The books are about simulating electronics using a software called PSpice. I know that Wiki is not about free publicity but can I write an article telling readers about my books? --Paul A Tobin (talk) 14:54, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
@YeezusBark: It looks like it took me about 9 months, but I didn't edit much at all when I first created my account. If you edit frequently, as in everyday, it could be done in less than a month. ––FormalDude(talk)01:33, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
Question from Crithikacella (11:33, 10 December 2023)
The discussion will take place at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Donald Trump's rhetoric until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article.
Hi FormalDude! I'd like to wish you a splendid solstice season as we wrap up the year. Here is an artwork, made individually for you, to celebrate. I like how the stream forks in this one. Looking forward more good discussions on Discord in the coming year! Take care, and thanks for all you do to make Wikipedia better!Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}}talk
Solstice Celebration for FormalDude, 2023, DALL·E 3.
Question from Crithikacella (07:24, 24 December 2023)
I posted an article yesterday
But when i searched it in Wikipedia after writing that ,it didn't came in the website
But it's there in my contributions --Crithikacella (talk) 07:24, 24 December 2023 (UTC)
User:Crithikacella, you have not "posted an article": you created a User page, which is supposed to be about yourself as a Wikipedia editor. Instead, the contents of the page are an unsourced few paragraphs about the evolution of life on Earth. Wikipedia already has an article History of life about this topic, which you should be able to contribute to once you familiarise yourself with referencing. For creating an article on a topic not already present on Wikipedia, see H:YFA; for your contributions, see Special:Contributions/Crithikacella. Folly Mox (talk) 19:39, 25 December 2023 (UTC)
Women in Red January 2024
Women in Red| January 2024, Volume 10, Issue 1, Numbers 291, 293, 294, 295, 296
Just out of curiosity how was the image in violation of copyright? And if it was how do upload it because it's very important Salfanto (talk) 00:11, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
Social media profiles are non-free media, and Commons (the place you uploaded it to) only allows freely licensed media. To upload it to Wikipedia instead of Commons would require it to meet all ten criteria at WP:NFCCP, which it does not. ––FormalDude(talk)00:29, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
No. Copyright protection generally lasts for the length of the author's life plus another 70 years. Also, as I said, the image does not meet all of the criteria at WP:NFCCP, and as such cannot be uploaded under non-free content. ––FormalDude(talk)06:22, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
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Hello.
@FormalDude: Hello again. I don't want to bother you, but I never did give up on that adoption program thing. I thought that I had already replied to one of your messages, but I hadn't, and so I kept on waiting for the notification of you responding. I did eventually check and see I never responded on July 31, 2023, but you never saw it. I'm sorry if it looked like I just disappeared, but I really just screwed up. I didn't really want to edit any pages without know what I'm doing either, so I just chose to wait. Checking the page again, I see you've archived it, understandably so. If that's reversable, I do still wish to continue the adoption process. If not, I just wanna let you know what happened with me. Random Editor135 (talk) 15:57, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
@Random Editor135: No bother at all, you can always message me here. I unfortunately am not able to continue your adoption because I have gotten quite busy recently. You may wish to find a new adopter at WP:Adopt-a-user/Adoptee's Area/Adopters.
I will keep your adoption page archived so you can refer back to it. Although I can't continue your adoption, do please feel free to reach out to me anytime if you have Wikipedia-related questions. ––FormalDude(talk)23:01, 8 April 2024 (UTC)