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FIS Alpine World Ski Championships

The number of total medals is not correct!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Antonio111222333 (talk • contribs) 11:53, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

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IIHF

Hey, why don't you update the pdf file when updating scorers and goaltenders? Kante4 (talk) 16:31, 14 May 2017 (UTC)

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CZE

Hi, can you explain what is the point of these type of edits. They look the same either way. Pelmeen10 (talk) 08:09, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

Hi. Because the official name of national team is Czech Republic, not Czechia (see official documents). It's very strange that the name of the national team is spelled differently.

Bolding

Hi, regarding World Wrestling Championships Half of your edit summary was about "active wrestling" which I had no problem with that. that was interesting bringing that up. but there is no need to bold anything else. there is no guideline in wikipedia about that (as far as I know) therefore that's unnecessary. even automatic medal table has no place for that. Mohsen1248 (talk) 11:57, 7 February 2019 (UTC)

Hi, Dear Mohsen 1248! Can you explain - why you are categorically against if someone post attention to World Championship personal records by bolding? It doesn't lead to unnecessary extension of tables nor to the additional oversizing of pages. There are only 8-11 names in these tables, it's impossible to include all historical list of World medalists at general page, so why not to mention that one of listed athlete set record by total number of medals? As far I know, the rules of Wikipedia don't forbid it.

simple because that's unnecessary, if I remember you also enjoyed to the bold the same thing in general medal but now you can't because the template doesn't allow it, people can see which number is bigger. no need to bold it. Mohsen1248 (talk) 13:55, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

and this is funny, to read such a thing from you I tried to discuss this moment at the talk page. Unfortunately, this call remained unanswered. Let me know when you're ready for a discussion. you answered my message in FEBRUARY only two days ago and then expect me to answer you back in a day without even pinging me ? Mohsen1248 (talk) 13:57, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

Hi, friend Mohsen1248! Sorry, I did not pay attention on your February message for unknown reason. Yes, previously I bolded record numbers in the general medal table and I don't see anything wrong in this. It's a pity for me that new format of automatic medal tables don't allow to bold it. As I already explained - the tables with most successful wrestlers by number of gold medals (8-11 names) not always includes record holders by total number of medals. For example, the most decorate wrestler in the Olympic history (Wilfried Dietrich of Germany, 5 Olympic medals) would not be included into tables of top Olympic gold medalists because he achieved only one Olympic victory. That's why I prefer to point record numbers by bold. So, why you are so again it?

First I appreciate your edits, you corrected one or two of my mistakes before but don't you think there is a reason they didn't allow bolding that in new medal table template ? simply because that's not necessary. but now you are saying your reasons, that's a valid point. unlike the medal table when you have all the medals in one table, here only some of them are in the list. so OK I'm not against it anymore, but still I want to make a change in that "weight" column, they changed the weight class so many times in wrestling. writing all of them is probably not a good idea, I will think of something. Mohsen1248 (talk) 22:57, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

Hi, friend Mohsen1248! Many thanks for your response! I must to say that I appreciate your work as well. You wrote that you want to change "weight" column. Let me to know why you don't like it? I think at the pages about championships in such kind of sports where athletes are divided by weight categories (such as Wrestling, Weightlifting, Boxing, Judo, etc) this column is good addition because it let readers (many of whom don't follow wrestling competitions so often) better to navigate by names in a historical perspective. You are right - international sport federations often changing weight categories and athletes often changing weight category in which they are complete. That's why I decide to use numbers (body weights' limits) instead of official names of weight categories (such as Bantamweight, Middleweight, Middle heavyweight, etc). I think for ordinary reader weight limits are more informative than official names of weight categories (especially for readers from not English-speaking countries). Also, the numbers don't lead to unnecessary extension of tables (unlike long names). So, I personally would like to see no changes in these columns.

I also agree with the numbers and not the names (which are not official anymore) but still when someone win a medal at 97kg and then they changed it 98 or 96. it doesn't make sense to write 96kg / 97kg / 98kg or something like that. I would write it as 96–98kg. Mohsen1248 (talk) 19:45, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

It, however, can lead to some confusion because this is way of writing (by using dash) of one separate weight category (in your case - "body weight within 96-98 kg"), not different weight limits. As I can see - vast majority of most titled wrestlers changed weight category no more than 1-2 times during whole sport adult career at the World Championships. There were almost no such changing of weight categories (when weight limits changed only a little) as you described at your example. That's why I would recommend you to keep "weight" columns without changes.

Biathlon World Cup

Hello, I just wanted to let you know that your edits are disrupting the established structure on the pages of the Biathlon World Cup. You keep on deleting any nowraps for long names and when I try to shorten the name, you delete that also but that effectively means that the table showing the results of the season splits the name in half and that looks very uncoordinated. Also, the World Cup leader/yellow bib section is supposed to stay white all throughout the year, just have a look at the other years. Also, you only let people know of cancelled races if they are then held later on in the season, otherwise that part of the table is supposed to be deleted. I hope you will have a look at the older pages and follow the established structure more thoroughly in the future. If you don't, however, I'm going to have you blocked. Thank you so much for hopefully understanding this message so that no further measures have to be taken. Jakubdoo (talk) 12:12, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

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Lu Wei

Hey, why did you contact me per mail and not on my talk page? If there is another diver named like this notable, then it should be moved. Kante4 (talk) 13:40, 14 July 2019 (UTC)

Yes, there is other Chinese diver named Lu Wei who won silver at the 1986 World Championships - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diving_at_the_1986_World_Aquatics_Championships

If you have the birth date of the other one, we can move it. Kante4 (talk) 14:16, 14 July 2019 (UTC)

Medals

Hey, you do not need to link to the competition again if the athlete already won a medal, see here, thank you. Kante4 (talk) 11:42, 20 July 2019 (UTC)

Hi! IAAF World Athletics Championships#All-time_medal_table - did you check all medals from https://www.iaaf.org/ebooks/2019/WCH/index.html#page=48 before daily updates? I was about to but it went too complicated when you started updating it. I did notice there were lots of differences. Pelmeen10 (talk) 15:32, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

Hi! I didn't check all medals, but I didn't noticed a lot of differences prior to 2019 World Championships (don't forget that this table is updating after each event of 2019 Champs for now). Please note that some cases concerning doping crisis in Russian Athletics are still ongoing. I know that it was already decided to strip another two golds medals of Russian athletes earned at home 2013 Championships (Svetlana Shkolina is High Jump and Alexander Ivanov in 20 km Walk), but these athletes appealed in CAS so these cases are not over yet. That's why medals in these events are not distributed yet in IAAF's book. If athletes will win their appeals (which is highely unlikely judging by previous court' decisions), I will correct Wiki medal table. If you notice any other differences - please write me about it.

P.S. I just compared medal tables from old version of Wiki page and from IAAF's statistic handbook. As I expected, the only minor differences are because of very expected realloction of medals in two 2013 World Championships' disciplines (Men's 20 km walk and Women's High jump) due to doping offences of Russian athletes (Aleksandr Ivanov and Svetlana Shkolina) are not confirmed yet by the moment of releasing of IAAF's handbook. However, there is mentioned in IAAF's handbook that Svetlana Shkolina was banned by CAS and now her appeal is ongoing while Aleksandr Ivanov was suspended by Russian Athletics Federation due to deviations in his biological passport. So, as you can see at the Page 87, their results are expected to be annulated and realloaction of medals are expected to be happen - https://www.iaaf.org/ebooks/2019/WCH/index.html#page=86

Live medal updates

Please don't do live updates to IAAF World Athletics Championships‎#All-time_medal_table, 1 update per day (after each day) is already more than enough. Even keeping a pre-event medal table and udating after the sports event is finished, is better. Regular updates are okay only in a specific (2019 IAAF World Champ.) page. Thanks! Pelmeen10 (talk) 20:06, 1 October 2019 (UTC)

Hi, Pelmeen10! Can you protect this page - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IHF_World_Women%27s_Handball_Championship - from vandalism once the current 2019 World Championships will be over? There is some user (or group of users) who constantly merging medals earned by former Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia's and Federal Republic of Yugoslavia's national teams (and medals earned by former Soviet and current Russian national teams as well). As far I know, International Handball Federation don't merge these medals in their statistical reports and Wiki policy also don't welcome this merging.

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You edited "Audi Quattro Bonus" in 2019–20 FIS Cross-Country World Cup World Cup yesterday. You wrote 17 and 16 (number of Audi Bonuses in season) instead of 14's according to FIS documents but in my opinion these sources are incorrect (as it occures very often in FIS). I'm sure, Ostersund races and Trondheim pursuit won't have bonuses because it wasn't possible in these types of competition in the past. However, thank you for vigilance and reaction.

CIS

Why the change in the symbol for the WJC?18abruce (talk) 21:30, 5 January 2020 (UTC)

Hi. Because it was provisional flag of the Commonwealth of Independent States in 1992 (when WJC1992 was held). The current flag was been adopted only in 1996, so CIS team wasn't able to win gold in 1992 under present-day flag. See here - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_the_Commonwealth_of_Independent_States

Okay, I did not know that. Thank you.18abruce (talk) 21:46, 5 January 2020 (UTC)

Medal table(s)

Hey, i converted those into the Module because it is easier. I think we can hide them if you want if it makes it too large or make them side by side. But to use those wikitable(s) is not needed anymore with this great template. But undoing the work without reverting or messaging me is not the nice way, tbh. So what should we do? I personally liked the side by side view we had for Snowboard or something. Kante4 (talk) 08:17, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

Per this,hiding tables is not correct. Kante4 (talk) 08:21, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

I communicated with FIVB

Dear sir

I Communicated with FIVB and they reply below and they confirmed to me that USSR medals and RUS are combined together. so you should correct the medal tables based on FIVB(the official body of volleyball).

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"Dear Mohamed, Thank you for your interest in volleyball. Indeed, the titles and medals won by the USSR are included in the total winnings of the Russian National Team. I hope this helps.

With kind regards,

Mr. Larry CARREL FIVB Volleyball Project Manager FEDERATION INTERNATIONALE DE VOLLEYBALL « Château Les Tourelles » Edouard-Sandoz 2-4 1006 Lausanne/Switzerland Tel. +41 21 345 35 35 Fax +41 21 345 35 45 larry.carrel@fivb.com www.fivb.com"

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Hello! You know, according the Wiki's policy regarding the medal tables, no one current country can interhit records of non-existing states. The position of international sport federations are various by this issue, but this is common Wiki's standart. In fact, the national teams of SFR Yugoslavia composed from players from various republics like Serbia, Croatia, Slovenia, etc. Just like Soviet national basketball team composed from players from Russia, Ukraine, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Georgia, etc. If Russia not considered as successor of Soviet records, why Serbia and Montenegro should be? That's why content from FIBA was removed.

WP:RS means we'd follow FIBA's position on the matter, which is what was explained in detail... until you thought "my interpretation on FIBA's own championship is more correct on this than FIBA's." Howard the Duck (talk) 09:04, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

Hyperion, Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Basketball/Archive_13#Yugoslavia,_Serbia. Pelmeen10 (talk) 20:06, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

Oleksandra/Alexandra Nazarova

Hi, I understand your reasoning for using the spelling "Oleksandra," as that is how Ukrainian names are generally transliterated. However, WP:UKR#Romanization style says "Living and very well-known people's names normally use their own preferred or most common spelling," which for Nazarova is "Alexandra Nazarova," since that is the official name provided by the Ukrainian Figure Skating Federation to the International Skating Union and thus the one used on official results. Nazarova's partner has the ISU spelling (i.e. the most common spelling of his name), Maxim, on his page, rather than the Ukrainian transliteration (Maksym/Maksim); their names should reflect the same style, at least on general skating pages. Sunnyou31 (talk) 14:50, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

Gent vs. 1899 Hoffenheim

Report includes Baumgartner 90+4.--Island92 (talk) 22:20, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Island92! I found some discrepancy in the official UEFA statistics. According to UEFA's official statistics, Dabbur scored 4 goals in 3 group matches - https://www.uefa.com/uefaeuropaleague/season=2021/statistics/round=2001240/players/kind=goals/index.html. However, according to UEFA's official reports, Dabbur scored only 3 goals in these matches: 1 goal in match against Crvena Zvezda (aka Red Star) Belgrad - https://www.uefa.com/uefaeuropaleague/match/2029727--hoffenheim-vs-crvena-zvezda/ , 0 goals in match against Gent - https://www.uefa.com/uefaeuropaleague/match/2029739--gent-vs-hoffenheim/ and 2 goals in match against Slovan Liberec - https://www.uefa.com/uefaeuropaleague/match/2029764--hoffenheim-vs-liberec/ . About second match vs Gent - that's what is written at Match Report section at UEFA's official site - "The three-goal cushion is restored right at the end. The ball is flicked on into the path of Dabbur, who cuts inside onto his right foot and curls a low shot out of the reach of Roef and into the bottom corner." I watched summary of this match at YouTube. There must not be any doubts that last goal was scored by Dabbur (#10), not somebody else (while Baumgartner only assisted him) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPkN572NQ3w&t=39s . Many not-official reports also noted Dabbur as author of last goal in this match - https://en.as.com/resultados/futbol/europa_league/2020_2021/directo/grupos_l_2_339684/ https://1xbet.whoscored.com/Matches/1509067/Live/Europe-Europa-League-2020-2021-Gent-Hoffenheim . So, while UEFA's official report states otherwise, I prefer to believe to my eyes and common sense.

We need to contact UEFA official website, so we expect they can fix the player who scored that goal.--Island92 (talk) 11:25, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

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Thank you for editing FIS Cross Country 2020/2021 page. I did something but one stupid user with IP instead of nick deleted my job but he didn't know how "Winner Of The Day" works in Cross Country. Very depressing. Thank you for help :)

Alpine Ski World Cup 2020/21

Nations Cup: It's all clear. There are 37 (not 38) individual men events, 33 (not 34) individual ladies events and 1 separate mixed team events. Total 71 events. Sportomanokin (talk) 12:52, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Sportomanokin! That's right, but mixed team event points will be counted both in the total standings and in the men's and women's standings as well (half of total team points will be counted in both men's and women's standings). So, the final classifications in both men's and women's standings will be counted from points in the individual events and half of total team points in the one mixed event.

Is that a new thing this season or something, where is that written? It wasn't like that in past years. Sportomanokin (talk) 09:58, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

It's not something new. If you will see Nations cup classifications in the previous seasons, you can note that overall points earned by each nation = points in men's classification + points in women's classification, not points in men's classification + points in women's classification + points in separate mixed team classification (see 2018/19 season as example - https://www.fis-ski.com/DB/alpine-skiing/cup-standings.html?sectorcode=AL&seasoncode=2019&cupcode=NC-WC&disciplinecode=ALL&gendercode=A&nationcode= Austria earned 11,581 points = 6,102 in men's standings + 5,479 in women's standings). Also, you can see it in the FIS's Mixed Team official rules (see 8. World Cup points) - https://assets.fis-ski.com/image/upload/v1591710759/fis-prod/assets/TPeventRules_final_09.06.2020.pdf

Recent edit

Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to vandalize Wikipedia, you may be blocked from editing. TheGreenGiant23 (talk) 17:12, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

Please to clarify - about what exactly are you talking? Yes, I editing some Wikipedia pages (mostly sport-related pages) like many others and sometimes getting "thanks" for my editions/additions. Sometimes there can be some disputable moments, but I always try to explain my point of view. I cannot be responsible for all my editions. It's strange to be blocked only because somebody have other point of view. I open for discussions.

European Championships third/fourth places

Hello, I've seen you discussing my edits on the Euros saying that every losing semi-finalist from 1984 should be considered as third place holder, pointing out that every other Wikipedia article also says so. But actually the reason why I added the third and fourth places is because I saw it that way in Italy national football team#UEFA European Championship, France national football team#UEFA European Championship and Germany national football team#UEFA European Championship. Therefore I think if such measurement is used in these articles, it either have to be used in all of them, or none of them. My point is that these tables (in all national football teams articles), also ranks quarter-finalists from 5th to 8th, round of 16 teams 16th to 9th and teams that finished on the group stage 24th to 17th etc., and it seems to me that ranking semi-finalists 3rd and 4th makes the most sense in that case. I hope you'll understand my point of view. Piotr Bart (talk) 23:06, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Hello! Well, in peoples' minds, 3rd position is strongly associated with bronze medal performance while 4th place is not. That's main difference between ranking of top four teams and ranking from 5th to last position. Without bronze medal match, we can't say that one loser semifinalist had medal performance at Euro while other was not. In fact, both teams achieved same performance - semifinal stage. It's like in many kinds of sport like Olympic boxing where both losing semifinalists are automatically awarded with bronze medals. UEFA also don't see differences - previously (until 2016) they awarded players from both teams losing in semifinals with bronze medals, currently they don't award losing semifinalists with medals. So, it's hard to understand - why one team is highlighted with bronze medal' color while other is not. What's point in artistical separation of losing semifinalists based on non-official self-made ranking which considered their overall performance including results at group stage? It's irrelevant for playoff round!

Well, bronze colour is just a stylization, we can get rid of it if that's really the problem, but my point is that we can't keep recognizing some team as 4th in one article and 3rd in other. Also, I'm not sure if the ranking is really unofficial, 1930 FIFA World Cup third płace was recognized the same way and noone seems to have any problem with it. Piotr Bart (talk) 00:47, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

Hello again! Well, in my opinion, if there was no bronze medal match - both losing semi-finals should be counted as 3rd place finishers if there is no special official rules or official position of international sport federation about this issue. About FIFA World Cup - such situation was only once and long time ago (at the first tournament) while at UEFA Euros such situation continues for almost 40 years. Obviously, FIFA and UEFA have different opinions about need for holding of bronze medal match. So, it's probably, they also have different opinions about need for ranking of losing teams. So, I found FIFA's official page with ranking of top four teams of the 1930 FIFA World Cup - https://www.fifa.com/tournaments/mens/worldcup/1930uruguay As you can see, USA were ranked 3rd and Yugoslavia were ranked 4th. Can you find similar link to UEFA's OFFICIAL rules for final ranking of teams (or at least link for UEFA OFFICIAL rankings since 1980)? Because in this issue, position of sport governing body should have priority over fans' opinions, don't you agree? If this ranking is unofficial and created by fans/journalists, it's better not to use it in order to avoid disagreements between fans of teams who lost in semi-finals. Because this ranking is very conditional and does not take into account the power of opponents with which the losing semi-finalists had to play. If one national team passed into semifinals after matches with leading European national teams, it's more probably that they will earn less points comparing with other national team who passed into semifinals after matches with less stronger opponents. So, we can't say that one losing semifinalist team was better based only by overall number of earned points (especially because in playoff round these points are also conditional) or, at some cases - based only by overall goal difference. These points have matter only at group stage, but not in playoff round. In other kinds of sport, where rankings have matter (for example, if 7 best teams of the World Championships will qualify into Olympics), they prefer to hold additional playoff matches between losing quarterfinalists rather than automatically ranking of losing quarter-finalists (because it would be less objective). However, as I already wrote - if UEFA have different OFFICIAL position on this issue, I'll be willing to admit I'm wrong.

Copa América records and statistics

Hey I saw you recently changed the numbers of the Overall team records on Copa América records and statistics. Where did you get all the info from? It's hard to find a good source for this. I've found this but it only goes up to 2016. Maybe you could provide a good source for this, would be very helpful! Cheers! Aquatic Ambiance (talk) 17:39, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

Hello! I used information from Wikipages about each 10 CONMEBOL teams who participated at the 2021 Copa America - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentina_at_the_Copa_Am%C3%A9rica

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uruguay_at_the_Copa_Am%C3%A9rica etc.

That doesn't count as a good source for this particular section because you have to tally up everything every time, plus the info in this table need a good source, which is already provided. Can you please stop removing the campeoesdofutebol source and use your own numbers. Thanks Aquatic Ambiance (talk) 14:03, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

Edits on the article World Figure Skating Championships cumulative medal count

Hello Hyperion82,

I just saw your series of edits on the article World Figure Skating Championships cumulative medal count.

Please do not change the formatting of the table captions. The current format with |+ caption follows the MOS:TABLECAPTION. A separation of the caption from the table violates the wiki manual of style.

Also, there is agreement that highlighting active skaters in bold goes against WP:NPOV, as they appear more important than retired skaters. Another issue is that bold face is already used in other columns with a different purpose. Using (A) behind the skater's name is more clear in meaning and insures neutrality of the article. Henni147 (talk) 08:49, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello!

OK, I got your point about formatting of the table captions. I still don't agree with your position about highlighting of the active skaters. I saw and sometimes personally took part in editing of many sport-related Wikipages and highlighting of active athletes seem to be very common thing at Wikipedia (see just few examples below). Is it your personal position or there is new strict Wikirule to forbid this highlighting? I think there is a lot of common sense in highlighting of active athletes - not because they are more important than retired athletes, but because they can to improve own medal statistics and to move at higher place in corresponding tables while the retired athletes can't. If you are pointing of active skaters with letter (A), why it's impossible to point them with bold? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_multiple_Olympic_gold_medalists https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biathlon_World_Cup https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_FIS_Cross-Country_World_Cup_men%27s_race_winners https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIS_Alpine_Ski_World_Cup

Thank you very much for sharing the article links! Yes, I see that highlighting active skaters in bold seems to be common practice on Wikipedia. When I expanded the page a couple of months ago (Aljona Savchenko was considered as retired at that time), I was bullied on various social media platforms that Yuzuru Hanyu was the only skater on the page highlighted in bold, and accused to be a biased wiki author. So I had a private talk with some fellow writers here in the skating project and we agreed on the more neutral solution with the (A)-note in brackets, which seemed to conciliate the upset fans, too.

I totally agree with you that all medal tables on Wikipedia should be uniform in their layout and style. However, in this particular case I would keep the current solution for the time being. I will address this issue on the helpdesk, as it concerns other sports as well. In our case the boldface is definitely a problematic solution, because the medal column is highlighted in bold already and two different information should not use the same formatting. That is particularly confusing for visually impaired readers which goes against MOS:ACCESS. If you have a good idea, I'm open for all suggestions.

And thank you very much for your edits on the page. Corrections and additional information are highly appreciated. Henni147 (talk) 08:08, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

OK, let's keep that solution for this particular page. I'm not sure that this is a good reason to raise this issue regarding other similar sport-related Wikipedia pages - at least until there is no complaining from other sport fans. Without highlighting of active athletes, it will be hard to find optimal solution for reediting of all similar pages.

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Russia

Hi, first don't write lectures on edit summaries, they are not for that. we have talk pages to discuss things which you have to learn how to use them with proper language. second I highly doubt anybody else even thinks about making Russia (as a current country) italic just because they are banned for one or maybe two editions. they are banned from the next Olympics (2022 Winter) and nobody went to make Russia italic here All-time Olympic Games medal table. I always use Olympic pages as my reference to make similar pages for other sports. Russia is not a former member of UWW, they are just banned from this edition (and probably next one) it happens lots of times in other sports for certain teams but I never saw such a thing before in wikipedia. Mohsen1248 (talk) 20:31, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

World Wrestling Championships

It seems I have to explain things again because I can't and don't want to write lectures on the edit summary, as I said before I consider Olympic pages as my reference and here List of multiple Olympic medalists they didn't use FROM and TO to show the years, they also use  Norway when they want to show an athlete for a long period of time and not a specific year (where you have to use that specific year's flag). Mohsen1248 (talk) 19:07, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

However, they using historical flag if certain athlete NEVER participate at Olympic Games under current national flag, don't they? See #32 (Ágnes Keleti, Hungary), #43 (Nadia Comăneci, Romania) or #54 (Giulio Gaudini, Italy) as example. If you are using histotical (then-actual) national flags at the "City and host country" columns (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Wrestling_Championships) or at the List of medalists (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_World_Championships_medalists_in_wrestling_(freestyle)), why historical flags can'be used at the table of Multiple gold medalists?

I wonder who made those edits, it wasn't like that couple years ago I think it's easy to guess who made those edits and I believe they should be reverted. this is funny to have double standards, they should be all the same. what about Aladár Gerevich? Hungary used different flags during his career. nobody thinks about having all those flags next to his name. that's double standard. current or most common flag should be used when we are talking a period of time and not just one year. because if you don't do that then what you are going to do when a country changes its flag during someone's career like that Hungarian fencer? Mohsen1248 (talk) 21:33, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

Well, if athlete participated under different national flags of same country during his career, then it's better to use flag which was actual during his LAST participation at this certain competition (especially if this flag is same as current national flag). At 1960 Olympics Gerevich participated under present-day national flag, that's why it was been choosen for this table. And if athlete participated under only one historical flag during whole his/her career, then this flag should be used without any doubts. For example, Abdollah Movahed won ALL his World Championships medals under national flag of Iran which was official in 1964-1980 (but never under present-day Iranian flag) and Aleksandar Tomov won ALL his World Championships medals under national Bulgarian flag which was official in 1971-1990 (but never under present-day Bulgarian flag).

Also, I don't think that we should unconditionally accept table from the page "List of multiple Olympic medalists" as some standard for such kind of tables. It's seems that they are using column "Years" because they have limited space for that due to additional clarifying columns as "Sport", "Games", "Gender". In our case, these columns are simply unnecessary because kind of sport and gender were already specified in the article - above these medal tables - and we don't need to clarify that wrestling is the summer kind of sport. There is only one additonal clarifying column - "Weight(s)", so we have enough space to add tables "From" and "To" instead of "Years". And, speaking about participation of Russian athletes – unlike IOC and some other international sport federations, United World Wrestling prefers to use full name of neutral team in official documents – "Russian Wrestling Federation" instead of abbreviations like RWF or ROC. See here – https://uww.org/arena/weight-category/18147f71-22a0-11ec-8a0c-08002745f808/team-ranking.pdf and here –https://uww.org/arena/weight-category/2e4e1e21-e8ea-11eb-803a-06b1e9be04dc/team-ranking.pdf

if athlete participated under different national flags of same country during his career, then it's better to use flag which was actual during his LAST participation at this certain competition. who says that? do we have agreement on wikipedia about this? if yes show me that and I have no problem with that. at the moment this is double standard, it should be all flags or just the current/most common one. this is not right to use whatever flag you prefers when someone represents more than one flag in his career.

and I really can't see any reason to have two columns when one column can cover it quite well. also Russian Wrestling Federation is too long for that table. makes it a bit different comparing to the others (Men's GR and Women's FS) specially because we don't have fixed width for those tables. AND I believe you are not allowed to change the page until we reach an agreement (or disagreement) but I accept that was my fault for not answer quicker. but still you have to learn how to use the talk pages properly (among other things like signing your comments which apparently you refuse to do). you HAVE to ping someone when you are answering him back. Mohsen1248 (talk) 17:19, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

again you! you think you simply can't answer on your talk page and after few days you can move on to another one? nope. technically you HAD to answer me back without that I'm allowed to revert your edit. I let this one go simply because I was busy with other things and didn't want to waste more of my time. but that's not going to happen all the time. I made adjustments as ordered. Mohsen1248 (talk) 19:28, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

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What are you talking about? Are those new rules or what? Previously, national flags were actively used in infoboxes. Just look at the Wikipages about previous World Championships editions. Hyperion82 (talk) 10:57, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

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Authorised Neutral Athletes

Hi, I see you keep linking RUS/BLR athletes in different sports to this Authorised Neutral Athletes which is created by WA (World Athletics). it has nothing to do with other sports. they are using a different term Individual Neutral Athletes (AIN), maybe someone should create that page Individual Neutral Athletes (which will be a great idea, I'm not fluent in English otherwise I would create it myself) but until that day I don't think it's good to link this to that. they are not the same. as someone had the same discusion with you here Talk:World Judo Championships and it seems you had no answer. so what do you think? Sports2021 (talk) 20:12, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

I also wrote something in the talk page Talk:Authorised Neutral Athletes. just in case you want to add your opinion. Sports2021 (talk) 20:19, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

meanwhile until we find a better solution for this, I assume you agree with me that ANA flag shouldn't be used for 2023 Taekwondo World results. right ? someone just added them all. (I wonder if it's possible to create a separate template for AIN like all other NOC codes) Sports2021 (talk) 20:48, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

I agree with that. Originally there was flag of the World Taekwondo federation - https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/2f/World_Taekwondo_Federation_logo.svg/2560px-World_Taekwondo_Federation_logo.svg.png Individual neutral athletes completed under flag which was very similar to this, with slight difference in inscription (if I remember correctly, there was written "Individual Neutral Athletes" instead of "World Taekwondo"). So, it's better to restore old versions of these pages. Hyperion82 (talk) 21:27, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

I just restored the WT flag. I checked it again, the flag they used during the competition and on their website is the same as WT flag but they used what you said for the medal ceremony. since that's not available I guess using WT flag is the best option. Sports2021 (talk) 22:13, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

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Hi, about your recent edits on wrestling pages, whoever fails the weight-in is disqualified and can't participate, while still in the draw. so we always use crossed the name to show he is not really in the draw (while his name is), that's different that a normal walkover with an injury or something like that. nobody had a problem with that until now. can you explain why exactly? Sports2021 (talk) 23:40, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello! But you also crossing names of wrestlers who actually fought in the 2023 World Championships but then were forced to withdraw due to injuries (for example, Takuro Otogoru from Japan in the Men's freestyle 65 kg event). What's the point in this? Hyperion82 (talk) 07:24, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Oh no you are wrong, there is a 2nd weight-in at the start of the 2nd day. Otoguro missed that one and therefore got disqualified from the repechage. it's different that Sadulaev at 97kg who withdrew from the competition with a doctor's note. Sports2021 (talk) 16:38, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

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Is it possible if you can create pages for Åhman, Hellvig and Cheng? Thanks! 2604:3D08:5B7E:DB00:EC75:BD78:A53:C3CF (talk) 23:57, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

Hello! Sorry, I can't do this - English is not my native language :( The page for Kelly Cheng is already exist entitled "Kelly Claes" (Claes is her maiden name). Hyperion82 (talk) 07:55, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

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Hi – I see that you reverted my edit to Candidates Tournament 2024. I'd provided detailed reasons for the edit in the edit summary – it would be good to also know your reasons for the reversion – not least because if I agree with them, I'd adapt the corresponding table at World Chess Championship 2024 accordingly. Joriki (talk) 14:55, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

Hello! Well, the one of remaining two spots will be determined by rating, so the table shows actual rating of players who already qualified to candidates tournament. Also, it's interesting information about actual level of participants (from Carlsen and Caruana who holds 1st and 2nd place at FIDE ranking to Abasov who is currently at 98th place) and it doesn't need constant updating (just once a month), so I don't see big reason - why need to wait till April 2024 to provide this information for Wiki users who are not so familiar with the current state of affairs in the world chess. Hyperion82 (talk) 15:24, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

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When teams have same amount of points, HTH only applies when group is finished, until then it's GD.

When one of those teams played a match less, it's total nonsense anyway. --Sb008 (talk) 20:06, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

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Bgsu98 (Talk) 21:05, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

I make changes according to MOS:DTAB. There is no any specific rules for the size of the tables and about necessary to extend information to whole size of page when it's possible to make it more compact and easier for reading. There are few rules forbidding Inappropriate use of flags: 1) Do not emphasize nationality without good reason; 2) Do not use a flag when a picture of the subject is not available; 3) Do not use subnational flags without direct relevance; 4) Do not use supranational flags without direct relevance; 5) Do not rewrite history; 6) Do not use flags in genocide-related lists and articles; 7) Do not use flags on disambiguation pages. Tell me exactly which rule was been violated? As I can see - during last few months your formatted tables at Wikipages about current and past figure skating seasons by adding national flags of hosting countries of all major and minor international competitions. See as example - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023%E2%80%9324_figure_skating_season ( European Championships Four Continents Championships World Junior Championships World Championships ). So can you explain difference - why there is appropriate use of flags at these pages and there was Inappropriate use of flags at old version of this page? Hyperion82 (talk) 21:35, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

You added the correct column headers, but not the matching row headers (scope="row"). If all you had changed was the flag/city, I would not constantly revert it, because that element is questionable. In this case, the flag does not represent a sporting event as it does in the examples you cited above, but just represents a city/country. I thinks it’s a gray area and I’ll ask for further insight at the appropriate forums. As for the table widths, it’s an attempt to make each of the tables a uniform width, as well as the gold/silver/bronze columns uniform widths. I will check to see if there is an alternative way to accomplish this without stretching them to the full width of the page. Bgsu98 (Talk) 23:40, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

Your recent editing history at World Figure Skating Championships shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war; read about how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.

Being involved in an edit war can result in you being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you do not violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly. Bgsu98 (Talk) 21:38, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

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Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion involving you at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring regarding a possible violation of Wikipedia's policy on edit warring. The thread is Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring#User:Hyperion82 reported by User:Bgsu98 (Result: ). Thank you. Bgsu98 (Talk) 21:56, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

March 2024

You have been blocked from editing for a period of 48 hours for edit warring, as you did at World Figure Skating Championships. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions.

During a dispute, you should first try to discuss controversial changes and seek consensus. If that proves unsuccessful, you are encouraged to seek dispute resolution, and in some cases it may be appropriate to request page protection.

If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please review Wikipedia's guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text to the bottom of your talk page: {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}.  Bbb23 (talk) 22:11, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

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Block message:

Autoblocked because your IP address was recently used by "Hyperion82". The reason given for Hyperion82's block is: "Edit warring at World Figure Skating Championships based on a report at WP:AN3".

• Blocking administrator: ‪Bbb23‬ (talk • blocks)

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Decline reason: You are not autoblocked but directly blocked for edit warring. Any unblock requests will have to address that. —SpacemanSpiff 08:23, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

@SpacemanSpiff: At the time Hyperion82 posted this unblock request, they were no longer blocked.--Bbb23 (talk) 13:23, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

• I could swear that I checked the log and it showed like there were a few hours left, maybe I need new glasses!—SpacemanSpiff 13:59, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

World Figure Skating Championships#Records

I think adding that extra row was a good idea! Bgsu98 (Talk) 15:14, 20 March 2024 (UTC)