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Early stuff & stuff[edit]

Just want to say RESPECT for your work on UK railway stations...User:andycjp21 April 2004

Again, welcome! Chris Roy 21:16, 13 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Thanks Chris. --Tagishsimon

Probably. Closing table column/rows is optional, as far as I am aware. is needed of course. Morwen 10:41, Mar 14, 2004 (UTC)


Thanks for your input. I had though of just making a List of Divorce Support Groups, which would save duplication. Matt Stan 00:51, 21 Mar 2004 (UTC)

22-March - I note, Matthew, that the Fathers' rights page addresses the criticisms that I quoted in the F4J page; a comporomise might be along the lines of rebutting the Grauniad criticisms on the F4J page, and pointing back to the section in Fathers' rights which deals with them. Evening! --Tagishsimon 20:33, 22 Mar 2004 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I was creating a table for every Division One club, halfway through making it I had text wrapping issues. I used pagebreaks, however I decided not to bother with redirects before I submitted the page. You can see the table here--> User:SimonMayer/Useful/Football League team tables

Pagebreaks (part IIa)
I spent several minutes editing that table. About halfway through I realised that (for example) "Coventry City" might appear on one line and "F.C." on the next.
My initial solution was to create pagebreaks, which would stop the text wrapping.
Consequently there would have been lots of hassle for me, as it meant I would either have to make page break links redirect OR I would have to write out the football club names again as direct links. I chose to go for redirects.
Once I had made the redirects I decided that this method was rather stupid. I then chose to make each football club name link directly. I then submitted the finished table, which is currently displayed.
I hope this clarifies the issue.
SimonMayer 23:47, 23 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Many thanks for the reference to the proposals on rail transport pages. I have made a proposal which you will see there. Many thanks.
Bobblewik 14:30, 25 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Hi there, just wondered if you might be interested in a vocabulary project I am running? Please take a look at my user page and tell me what you think about it. Get-back-world-respect 15:57, 27 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Thank you for your help with the chart at: How to tell bees from wasps. Pollinator 03:17, 31 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Woohoo! Awesome work on port scanner; I've removed the cleanup and stub notices, and removed it from the cleanup page. -- Seth Ilys 20:45, 6 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Hi. Could you change your addition to 630s so that each of the years you added is on a separate line in the proper chronological order? RickK 06:10, 18 Apr 2004 (UTC)

About the Fullerenes Well, I removed the part about peer-reviewing. Maybe that was wrong. I just assumed that when New Scientist writes an article it has been through some sort of reviewing. I haven't got the edition in front of me and I am not completely sure if is peer-reviewed or not... MrMambo 15:32, 19 Apr 2004 (UTC)


Hi, following your edit of the S.M.A.R.T. article I think some disambiguating needs doing. Not only do we have two meanings at that article, there is a third at SMART. Do you want to do it or shall I? -- Graham :) | Talk 13:44, 27 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Well I just discovered a third one on the copyvio page at S.M.A.R.T. Oy vey this is bad... -- Graham :) | Talk 13:53, 27 Mar 2004 (UTC)
How is it now? -- Graham :) | Talk 14:08, 27 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Well smart. --Tagishsimon

B5, in which Seth speaks of his sadness[edit]

Tagishsimon: I have over 500 pages worth of material from a B5-encyclopedia/reference project I started a while back. Right now, I'm creating templates for each episode so that I can begin to introduce these organically rather than wholesale.

Re: Episode titles and "common english phrases." I thought seriously about appending (Babylon 5) to each episode title, but that's not the Wikipedia convention. The disambiguating (parens) are, at the moment, only used when there's something to disambiguate. If you go through the list, you'll see that approximately a quarter of the episode titles are disambiguated from something else.

And, yes, I *will* be that sad. :) -- Seth Ilys 13:54, 27 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Another point which I forgot to mention is that English phrases are rarely Wikipedia articles, unless as the title of something else -- and when they are, they're not capitalized, like titles are. You might also want to check out Wikipedia:Naming conventions for a more detailed rationale behind my naming decision.-- Seth Ilys 14:15, 27 Mar 2004 (UTC)

In which I make a complete arse of disambiguation & page moving[edit]

Another reason for checking out Wikipedia:Naming conventions: disambiguation phrases are added in parentheses, and usually in lower case, e.g. "The Archers (film production)", not "The Archers - Film Production". --Paul A 06:33, 29 Mar 2004 (UTC)

For future reference--

How to change [[Article X]] into a disambiguation page:

  1. First, stop and think whether this is the right thing to do. (See Chicago for an example of another possibility.)
  2. Move the existing article to [[Article X (disambiguation phrase)]] using the appropriate tool. That way, the entire article (including the edit history) gets moved, not just the text of the article.
    • Remember that disambiguation phrases are added in parentheses.
  3. Turn [[Article X]] (which should now be a redirect page) into a disambiguation page.
    • Remember that disambiguation phrases are added in parentheses.
  4. Add [[Article X]] to the list at Wikipedia:Links to disambiguating pages.
  5. Check all the articles that link to [[Article X]] and update the links so that they point to the appropriate disambiguated page.

--Paul A 07:41, 29 Mar 2004 (UTC)


Can I suggest the next stage in UK railway stations stations be to link them along the main lines?

{{Britishmainlines}} is about to be deleted. -Splash 00:35, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

Duncharris 22:52, Apr 9, 2004 (UTC)

My fragile grip on squares lets slip[edit]

Hi there,

I am not sure I understand what you mean. This is what you said
how does the reader differentiate between 750 * 1 km^2, and 750 km^2
The answer is that the reader should not differentiate them. Those two forms have exactly the same value.
(750 * 1) km&sup2 = 750 km&sup2

I think that you are implying that there is ambiguity between an area of 750 kilometres by 1 kilometre and an area of 750 kilometres by 750 kilometres, but that is not the case because the former is written as 750 km&sup2 and the latter as 562,500 km&sup2.

This is normal and applicable to all cases. Square km and square miles are common units and always described this way. Office and domestic accommodation space is similarly described in terms of squares i.e. 750 m&sup2 or 750 ft&sup2, and that is exactly the same. Similarly an engine that is 750 cubic centimetres or 250 cubic inches. Ventilation systems are described in terms of cubic metres or cubic feet per second. I am sure that you can think of other examples.

You are probably not alone, all of us have to be told at school how to read numbers. However, using units like hectares does not solve the comprehension problem, it merely changes it for another problem. Many people don't understand acres and hectares. They have a much better grasp of km and miles even when squared.

Interesting topic though.
Bobblewik 08:16, 14 Apr 2004 (UTC)

I hope I did not come across as patronising. I certainly did not intend to be. I am glad that there are plenty of people out there checking and challenging edits. Thanks and keep up the good work.
Bobblewik 08:42, 14 Apr 2004 (UTC)
  • Didn't read as patronising to me; its the model of the sort of answer I was after. --Tagishsimon

Hepatitis and the WikiDocs[edit]

Hi, well done for listing hepatitis for cleanup. It was a colossal mess and an embarrasment. I've shuffled the mess and will be combining the rubbishy page chronic viral hepatitis into the main hepatitis article, making the former a redirect. Please check if you're satisfied with the end result.

PS I you ever bump into substandard medical articles, I'm trying to form a clique of Wikipedia doctors (WikiDoc) to do some maintenance. There's a feeling that the medical wikipedia articles could really do with some oomph. Just drop a blah on my t@lk page. JFW | T@lk 00:48, 20 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for your message. At the moment the WikiDoc effort is just starting up, and we're still in the process of discovering what really needs changing and how. In time, well set up the Wikiproject again, but at the moment we're even waiting to compose our real agenda... JFW | T@lk 02:12, 20 Apr 2004 (UTC)

An lapsed enthusiastic idea about a MSG:LISTSTUB[edit]

Tagishsimon: I generally like the idea; however, I think that the message could be applied for more than just a list; for instance, Theon has been creating templates for articles on space shuttle missions that were contentious because they were mostly just templates. The same is occurring for many geographical articles, which often contain just an infobox.

So I'd propose changing the text to:

This page is a template; currently it lacks content.
You can help Wikipedia by expanding it.

or something similar. Maybe the name of the MediaWiki msg should change, too. This is too useful an idea to restrict to just lists.

As far as the fact that this needs lots of edits to implement -- that's correct. I tend to take on projects which can only be done by hand; usually long lists of things for which a significant fraction already exist in a messed-up form -- redirects for US counties, replacing the boilerplate disambig text with the MediaWiki msg -- and so require human intervention. This feels to me like something that would have to be done by hand, unfortunately. -- Seth Ilys 12:30, 20 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Proposed move back to rail transport of Great Britain[edit]

The UK has two separate rail systems. They are not connected, they are not even the same gauge. They are not run by the same people, and they have different histories. For that reason, they should be split atleast into rail transport in Northern Ireland, and rail transport in Great Britain though may be easier to discuss the complete Irish situation by itself. Either way, the move from Great Britain to United Kingdom was wrong. Duncharris 16:25, Apr 20, 2004 (UTC)

Still being polite and all that. I'll elaborate. The United Kingdom consists of the island of Great Britain and the province of Northern Ireland. Britain has standard gauge (4'8.5") railways. Ireland has railways with a gauge of 5'3". The organisation and history are completely separate. Duncharris 16:29, Apr 20, 2004 (UTC)

Yeah, I agree that rail transport in the United Kingdom should explain the differences between them. Still not sure about Ireland as a whole vs Northern Ireland and the Republic though. Duncharris 17:38, Apr 20, 2004 (UTC)

As this is a part of the Rail transport by country series. Perhaps that is part of the problem? Arwel & others point that the Ireland railways are integrated, and separate from the GB railways. I'm not convinced a) that we should allow the putative Railways by Country scheme to force our hand; nor that we could not go in a GB direction without emperilling that project. -Tagishsimon

See the current revision of Rail transport by country for a solution to the issue. The solution is two articles (for the current situation), Rail transport in the United Kingdom and Rail transport in Ireland. As per the comments I've left on railinUK talk page, this has a nice ambiguity about it, NI people can choose either Ireland or United Kingdom. Ideally UK page will discuss the NI situation and its relation (or lack of) to the mainland Britain situation, plus any relevant details. The Ireland page will continue to discuss the situation in Ireland as a whole. Also Ireland is nicely ambiguous, it can refer to the Republic of Ireland (as on passports) or the country 'Ireland' (as in rugby or pre-1922).
Zoney 14:38, 22 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for helping to sort this out. Have posted reply. to plan A. Duncharris 12:37, Apr 24, 2004 (UTC)

Dartford Cable Tunnel[edit]

I'm not sure that we should include this under Crossings of the River Thames - as a utility tunnel it's not really a crossing in the traditional sense of carrying passengers, is it? Otherwise we would have to include all the other utility tunnels, water mains, sewers etc that go under the river. -- ChrisO 17:30, 23 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Sunny day[edit]

I see someone else spent the afternoon wandering around central London with a digital camera! - MykReeve 23:13, 24 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Yes indeed... I skirted round the periphery of Trafalgar Square, also passing the Conversation with Oscar Wilde statue, after walking along the Strand/Fleet Street/Ludgate Hill from St Paul's. A day of catching up on galleries - Donald Judd at the Tate and Roy Lichtenstein at the Hayward Gallery. Only took a handful of photos though... looking forward to see more of yours. - MykReeve 00:06, 25 Apr 2004 (UTC)
Paths crossed more than I'd realised... I walked past the shrouded St Paul's Cathedral too - to judge from the lighting, I'd guess I was there about an hour before you. Apparently all this restoration work's not going to be completed until 2008, for the cathedral's 300th anniversary.
Only other thought - I'd got quite a nice picture of the interior of Westminster Hall which is on Parliament of the United Kingdom, which Westminster Hall used to redirect to. I notice it now redirects (rightly) to Palace of Westminster, and I think the picture would probably sit well there. If I add it though, it'll make the list of images considerably longer than the text... Got any layout suggestions? - MykReeve 21:32, 27 Apr 2004 (UTC)
Well, from my experience of Wikipedia, there seems to be no consistent preference for layout. A lot of pages with more complex layouts, or a lot of images, use div tags... and avoid the thumbnailing. This has the advantage that you can wikify the image description (see the images at the top of United States Grand Prix or the image at the top of Undercarriage). I think it really depends on what looks better with the text flow. If there's only one, or a small number of images, then the auto-thumbnail style seems to be preferred.
I like the idea of gallery pages attached to articles though. I think it's a relatively new idea for Wikipedia - I'm only aware of the one on Saddam Hussein, located here. I don't know if that's the most elegant nomenclature for such a gallery, but given that that page has already shown up on WP:VfD, I don't know what the wikicommunity's enthusiasm is for the idea of gallery pages generally. Personally, I think, as you suggest, the format [[Palace of Westminster/Pictures]] is the best way to go. - MykReeve 22:17, 27 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Welcome committee[edit]

Thanks for the welcome. I don't know if you care, but there are a few people who have sysop privilages at this site who seem to make a career of ad hominem attacks against contributors. RickK interfered with my work while I was pruning some ambitious edits contributed earlier by a relative of mine. Rick's can offer no better reasoning the "Bird reincarnation". Apparently he assumes the power to decide a contributor is inherently evil, then to attack whatever he associates with that contributor. Rick is consistently involved in edit conflicts - he tags his administrative actions with such provocative summaries as "let the war begin". (on the GW Bush talk page history). I don't really care to take his bait and join in an administrative campaign to expose his gruff, uncollaborative style.

Suffice it to say, when my cousin ran afoul of a few mean-spirited editors who would rather fuel conflict than resolving it, most of my family and several of our friends simply stopped contributing to Wikipedia. We have since learned that Jim Wales is the sole supporter of the project, and we are exploring rumors he is helping develop an off-site database of personal information about contributors for use by a national intelligence agency. Nonetheless, I occassionally return to test the waters, to correct obvious misinformation that gets repeated from this site to others around the world, and to tone down some of the information my young cousin added in a heat of free-speech passion that over-reached in some of its presentation. Unless your welcome was purely robotic, your reply offered some balance for RickK's aggressive action, an action for which he apparently failed to muster much support. Thanks. JamesB.

My welcome was a bit robotic, although I recalled being touched when User:Chris Roy welcomed me, and was acutely aware of trying to reach out to the unknown person(s) out there in the hope they'd be touched. And verily JamesB was. I hope JamesB manages to stay cool. --Tagishsimon

CCYY In Film[edit]

You do great work here -- please keep it up! I just wanted to drop a note because I reverted your edit-in-passing to the year links inBlade Runner.... [[1982 in film|1982]], for example. The Manual of Style (dates and numbers) calls for editors not to use piped links to "year in" articles -- a wikified year should always lead to the full year page, even though the "in" article might provide better context. If it is important to you (which it doesn't seem to be as I browse through your other many interesting edits), seeWikipedia:WikiProject Music standards for the discussions that led to this policy. Cheers! Catherine - talk 04:10, 29 Apr 2004 (UTC)

That's such a cool way to go about educating a wayward wikipedian. I don't agree with, but will abide by the policy ... I might lobby for a change of policy, one day, perhaps, maybe. Later. --Tagishsimon


Hi Tagish,

Just out curiosity on seeing the recent changes I had a look at the very impressive list of stations and noticed that you only have 1 station entered for Warwick, (where I live). Were you aware that Warwick Parkway station now exists just up the road or does your Warwick station cover both of them???Scraggy4 00:01, 1 May 2004 (UTC)

Thanx Tagish, Well impressed by the speed of your work.Scraggy4 00:18, 1 May 2004 (UTC)

User talk:Mike Church[edit]

I've cut down your comment considerably. It just didn't read well, he's gone so being gracious is the best policy IMO. Anyway think about it, and revert if you really want to, but personally I'd rather you didn't. theresa knott 21:06, 11 May 2004 (UTC)

I was fairly horrible to Mike Church --Tagishsimon

About him[edit]

Mike Church's sock puppet was fairly horrible to me. Honours even. --Tagishsimon

You know, we all had disagreements with that user on what was appropriate to do. He was pretty bullheaded, and realized that neither he nor we were going to compromise, so he left. I think that was the wise thing for him to do. I opposed him many times, and I knew he was never going to be the cooperative type of person Wikipedia needs.

His exit doesn't give you the right to masturbate all over his user page in his absence. Luckily User:Theresa knott had the good sense to clean up your mess.

You told him that his exit was "as pathetic as it is hypocritical", but you're the one I find pathetic. Not just because you insulted him, because I've read your edits and you can't write worth shit. I'd fail you if I were a professor. P23 22:31, 11 May 2004 (UTC)

Can you spell sockpuppet, professor? --Tagishsimon

Church Army[edit]

I am compelled to the view that User:P23 is a sockpuppet of (IASO) User:MathyGuy23 IASO User:Empyrix who created Grover's Law IASO User: IASO User:MargarineFly IASO User:38 IASO Mu_Gamma IASO ... wait for it ... User:Mike Church. How crazy a notion is that, eh? And I doubt the list is complete. AFK, for instance, has that classic look but insufficient posts to be absolutely sure. --Tagishsimon

You've been warned[edit]

Listen up, you vindictive, vile child...

As I wrote before, I continue to read Wikipedia even though I am not an active member.

You've already accused countless Wikipedia members of being my "sock puppet"--it's your all-purpose argument-- which is wormish and vile enough, but now you've gone too far.

After making such accusations against User:Mu Gamma, claiming that he was in fact me, you continued to make an untrue claim about my mental health, despite my having been absent from the board for ten days.

<<Would you care to say more on this whole Seseme [sic] street / antipsychotic drugs bit? I worry that there might be some hint of autobiography peeping through such a comment...>>

I have never been on antipsychotic drugs; I don't know about User:Mu Gamma. However, by accusing him of being me in conjuction with making this claim about him, you were effectively making it about me. Yet it is patently false (about me; I can't speak for the mental history of that user because I don't know who he is). I can document that I have never been recommended for, nor used, any form of antipsychotic drug.

This is outright character assassination. It's best that you stop making any claims about my life or identity now. If you cease immediately, nothing will happen; keep it up and I'll track you down and pursue a slander case. You don't want that, and I don't want that. So stop now.

With contempt,

Mike Church 16:27, 22 May 2004 (UTC)

Mike foams at the mouth; but he's not on drugs, so that's fine. Clearly, I'm terrified by the legal threat, and so can only reiterate that I think Mike runs a sockpuppet farm and find it odd that one such sockpuppet started wittering on about antipsychotic drugs. Recommended reading for Mike: the first amendment. Mike, if and when you stop treating other wikipedians as fools, we might in time come to stop thinking you're an idiot. --Tagishsimon

City of X[edit]

A discussion of UK local administrative area naming with User:Morwen. My, but we get up to some high jinks on Wikipedia, and no mistake. Ginger beer, anyone? --Tagishsimon

Well, there is an inconsistency about it, certainly. We have these styles of names at the moment

I guess you are saying we should move City of Bradford to Bradford or similar? I guess my stance on that would be that Ilkley people may not like the fact they live in the City of Bradford, but they certainly do.

I analyse "City of Bradford Metropolitan District Council" as "the metropolitan district council" of the "City of Bradford", rather than assuming they are trying to call the area itself "City of Bradford Metropolitan District".

I think I'd rather stamp out the St Albans exception than extend it to a City of Bradford Metropolitan District type thing. Because its already bad enough remembering which are boroughs and which are cities : if I had to remember the exact style all the metropolitan districts use in their name. Basically I'm happy with the system as it is - and I think if it changes it needs to change as a whole.

One thing that does need doing is setting up Bradford as a redirect, and Bradford. Morwen 22:16, May 11, 2004 (UTC)

No, they definitely _do_ live in the City of Bradford. There are three types of cities in England : districts or London boroughs that have the status of cities (Leicester), parishes that hvae the status of cities (Hereford), unparished areas that have the status of cities (Bath).

The City of Bradford is the first. Have a look at [1] for example, which is a statutory instrument dealing with elections to the city council. It even has a footnote saying 'The metropolitan district of Bradford has the status of a city'. The provisions of the charter got transferred to the metropolitan district - so its the city, not the unparished area.

In some cases a district is named after a city, but is just a district. The only example I can think off the top of my head right now is Salisbury, where there is a surrounding district of Salisbury that didn't inherit Salisbury's city status. This means the area of the city of Salisbury is unparished, and the charter is looked after by Charter Trustees. This is not the case for Bradford. Morwen 06:23, May 12, 2004 (UTC)

Happy to have cleared things up. I guess Bradford Council don't want to tell them either!  ;) I think maybe I ought to make a table of what every council calls itself, just for my own interest. Morwen 18:35, May 12, 2004 (UTC)

I have to confess I studied that page trying to find something that forbade them from naming themselves for quite a while, until I realised that of course you meant they are indecisive! That list looks quite comprehensive ;).

My next project is going to be sorting out disambiguation of Welsh districts. After that I think I am going to compile a complete list of things that actually are towns, because I suspect our current List of towns in England has lots of things that are just former towns. I've been randomly choosing districts and adding lists of parishes to their articles, too. Eek!

Yes, it is rather. I chose the colour myself - you may choose to read something into this ;) Morwen 19:07, May 12, 2004 (UTC)

Are you looking for Districts of England by any chance?  ;) Morwen 19:56, May 12, 2004 (UTC)

Mike church again[edit]

It's not that I don't understand the way you feel, I do. But think on this, we have a very strict policy of no personal attacks. We have a sort of semi policy on removing removing personal attacks, i.e. some people do it (including me) but it is contraversial. The reason I did it has nothing whatsoever to do with Mike Church. I did it because someone else stumbling on it may read it, and it's not nice. I don't want newbies to get the impression that personal attacks are acceptable here. They never have been and never will be.What's more, since the user has left he will never archive your comment away so it will always be on view. I will not revert my edit. However if you revert it, i will not re-revert. But I urge you not to do that. theresa knott 07:26, 12 May 2004 (UTC)

And thus urged, I didn't. A slight dawning of wikilove --Tagishsimon

OK (a vandal speaks)[edit]

but im only stopping coz ur not an idiot [user:] 13th May 2004

I reverted this chap or chapesses edits (links to an, err, interesting site), and placed a polite cease & desist on his/her talk page. And lo, there was peace. Clearly still acting under the influence of Theresa Knott. --Tagishsimon

Seth implicitly 'fesses up to slacking[edit]

No excuse whatsoever, I'm afraid. -- Seth Ilys 01:54, 14 May 2004 (UTC)

Indeed. A full time job and the unplanned absence of portable computer are woefully insufficient mitigating circumstances. Seth must be down to less than 5,000 edits per week; shameful. --Tagishsimon

Icelandic Thanks[edit]

Thank you for your edit on Flag of Iceland, i did not know there were special words to express things like that in such a quick manner;) --Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason 15:45, 2004 May 14 (UTC)

I rather wish, sometimes, that I came from Iceland. Though I'm not keen on fish. Is that a problem or a stereotype? I think it's the relatively small size of the community, and the naming - ~son, ~dottir. As it turns out, the Flag people seem to have flag ratios rather than aspect ratios so someone will probably edit my contribution to Ævar's page.


Hi. I think I want to nominate you for adminship. You have made many good edits, and is extremely active recently. I think you will be a good administrator. Do you accept the nomination? If you do, please reply here. --Lst27 21:38, 14 May 2004 (UTC)

I don't think I've been around long enough nor made enough mistakes yet. And there's more than enough to do without any hint of Uberness. But my ego is stroked, for which thanks to Lst27. --Tagishsimon
I was just coming here to ask if you wanted to be an admin. Your work on buttress was amazing and it looks like you are an active and healthy contributor. Holler if you change your mind. jengod 22:06, May 18, 2004 (UTC)

Nice work[edit]

Hi. Nice work on Wikipedia:Words per article. Pete/Pcb21 (talk) 10:14, 15 May 2004 (UTC)

Arse meme[edit]

If someone makes a change makes achange to a page that you don't agree with, please don't leave a nasty little smartarse comment when you revert it. We obviously aren't all as perfect as you :-) ChicXulub

Oh dear. I edited Cheese-eating surrender monkeys (1) and introduced a mistake into it - " may refer to any of to the". ChicXulub spotted it & corrected it. I spotted her/his edit, understood my error, edited his/her edit - as one does - and made a full & frank confession on the edit summary, towit: "Oops yes, I did make an arse of that last edit, didn't I. This is what I meant to do...". The rest, as they say, is history. Meanwhile the arse meme appears to have affected ChicXulub who chose to label my comment smartarse. Which clearly it was. He or she can probably sue. --Tagishsimon
Sorry if I misunderstood the meaning of your comment, Tagishsimon. I'd had a really bad day and when I saw what you wrote I just assumed the worst. User talk:ChicXulub
I do the same myself, and keep having to wander off to Mark Richards's page to tender my apologies to him for my latest flame. I'm glad this one is sorted out. --Tagishsimon


The anti-French sentiment link is still there. I moved it down to See also, precisely because there it is more prominent than in the middle of a paragraph, and it is an important link. The axis of evil and War on Terrorism links didn't seem to have much to do with this topic; France was reasonably supportive of the Afghan action, e.g., and was not particular involved in the "axis" affair. It is Iraq where the biggest recent split was, and that is mentioned. -- VV 00:00, 16 May 2004 (UTC)

University of Wolverhampton[edit]

Well, I'm not a student there, but their website's fairly handy for writing a basic introduction... - MykReeve 13:45, 16 May 2004 (UTC)


May I suggest that you upload images as PNG instead of GIF? PNGs are usually smaller, and you won't be restricted to 256 colors. It'll also be easier for others to upload improved versions of your images in PNG format, since they won't have to create a whole new image page and list yours for deletion. Regards, Fredrik 15:46, 16 May 2004 (UTC)

Excellent! And don't worry, you weren't alone around here ;) Fredrik 08:55, 17 May 2004 (UTC)

income redis/wealth redis[edit]

sure, I'm fine w it so long as your willing to help write the new article needed. A dead link is a service to no one, but a new page is what wiki is all about. I'm not looking to produce alot of content, but I'll definitely provide an assist if you'd like to create Wealth redistribution. Sam [Spade] 23:26, 16 May 2004 (UTC)


thank you. i added them as simple examples, but lack accompanying text. i will add captions with links to square and ellipse soon. Badanedwa 06:23, May 17, 2004 (UTC)

Railway Station pages[edit]

Just left a response to your comments over on my talk page. Sorry about stepping on toes like that, I was just going through special:longpages doing what I could to shrink some of them. If you decide to revert my changes I promise to trouble you no further. :) Bryan 00:39, 19 May 2004 (UTC)


'Gained common currency' implies that many people used it, that it became a common phrase. I don't think that is really true - it might have been used in a few shows as a gag, but to say that it was in common use? I don't think so. Is there some alternative phrase that you'd be happy with? Mark Richards 19:53, 19 May 2004 (UTC)

"Made up" number names[edit]

Why are you calling these number names "made up"?? What is the smallest number name that you describe this way?? Can you please talk about your term "made up number name" in detail?? 23:17, 19 May 2004 (UTC)


Why add "<!-- ***************** At the very top of the page**************** -->" to the VfD page? If you'd like to change the VfD policy, starting a discussion at Wikipedia talk:Votes for deletion would be a good way to start. --Ben Brockert 01:03, May 21, 2004 (UTC)

Uh, no, not really. Sort of, maybe. I'll take your word for it. I try to do VfD edits in the early evening, or risk doing odd things. Forgive me if I was a bit snippy, VfD went to hell in a handbasket in the last 24 hours. --Ben Brockert 01:36, May 21, 2004 (UTC)

Cheesed off[edit]

Appologies Tagishsimon, you have every right to be cheesed off. For some reason I missed your comment on my talk page, and assumed that you had not replied. Didn't mean to come across as having blown you off - go ahead an put in whatever version makes you happy. Best wishes, Mark Richards 20:34, 21 May 2004 (UTC)

Take a look at that, and edit mercilessly - I love your edit chart on the user page btw! Mark Richards 20:45, 21 May 2004 (UTC)

F.C./Football Club debate[edit]

See Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football Clubs/page name.

Sesame Street Characters[edit]

Is that the best category name? Might not Sesame Street do just as well? Dunno. --Tagishsimon

It's like [[Category:Middle-earth]]'s dozens of sub-cats. -- user:zanimum

Arbitration re: Mr-Natural-Health[edit]

I've put in an arbitration request re: Mr-Natural-Health. You may or may not wish to add to it. - David Gerard 11:12, 1 Jun 2004 (UTC)


With regard to the Strauss/Strauß article, you don't need an administrator. You can move it, because the redirect has no history. If (and only if) the redirect had a history would you need an administrator to delete it first. (Unless the newest revision has changed this...let me know if you try and fail to move it). - Nunh-huh 21:46, 5 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Airport naming conventions[edit]

I noticed you moved Franz Josef Strauß International Airport to Munich International Aiport. I recently started Wikipedia:WikiProject Airports, and I think a coherent naming policy needs to be made. Thus I will leave all moves as they are right now. Burgundavia 00:15, 6 Jun 2004 (UTC)

After the Gold Rush[edit]

I think you are right -- though I've seen it both ways in discographies and articles, the album cover does seem to show two words. I'd consider the official Neil Young website [2] authoritative, but it is currently devoted solely to Greendale. I've changed it to reflect this, with redirects at all the alternatives. Thanks for pointing it out. Jgm 02:24, 15 Jun 2004 (UTC)

VfD procedure[edit]

Thanks for the tip. I must have misunderstood the directions. I put my reasoning in the article's discussion page. At any rate, the page is gone now anyway because of copyright infringement (I still think it was an ad from the owner). I've been here a couple of weeks and I'm already growing a thicker skin! You were positively delightful.

Mimsie 20:57, 17 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Croydon Canal[edit]

Since the canal no longer really exists (I think it is under a railway most of the way) are you sure it counts a london arcitecture?Geni 02:29, 21 Jun 2004 (UTC)


No, I'm categorizing people and I couldn't find a place to put Joseph Cullinan, so I created Category:Businessmen. Do you have a better idea? -- Fuelbottle | Talk 02:28, 22 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Barnstar? For ME?[edit]

Whoa, nellie! Thank you SO much for the barnstar!!! The "B-Movie Bandit" did me a favor after all! Thankyouthankyouthankyou... - Lucky 6.9 01:48, 25 Jun 2004 (UTC)


I'm not entirely sure what to say to your note, as I feel it conveys two conflicting messages. So, thank you, I think...? Mike H 14:55, Jun 25, 2004 (UTC)


Hi Tagishsimon. Changing the link titles was just something I took the opportunity to do while I was there removing genuine spam. They seemed a bit wordy, and the distinction between the rules is made earlier in the article. There seem to have been some glitches over the last couple of days with not all edits showing up in Page History for all users - it may be that the edits I was removing (spam for something called Golfcard) weren't showing up for you. -- ALargeElk | Talk 11:34, 30 Jun 2004 (UTC)


We should be keeping a list somewhere of his sockpuppets and IPs, since he sometimes reuses them. I noticed that on Talk:Invented card game, he tried to make an "anonymous" comment as User: with an IP he'd flat-out said was him much earlier on Talk:Penis removal. I think Mike's new "Catch my blatant lies" game is much more fun than Ambition could possibly be, don't you?  :-) Isomorphic 04:55, 18 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Requests for comment/[edit]

Hi. I've created Wikipedia:Requests for comment/ (Keith Wigdor). I saw that you tried talking to this user on his talk page about his edits, and I was wondering if you'd want to certify the dispute. Quadell (talk) 17:30, Jul 29, 2004 (UTC)

London History[edit]

Would you please add Southwark, Tyburn and Tower of London to the Category:London history. Thanks. Christophorus 14:31, 9 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Getting Old[edit]

Your accusing-me-of-being-another-user obsession is really getting old. 259 22:55, 11 Aug 2004 (UTC)

I don't think I have accused you of being anything, mike. Can you point me to a reference? I have put a link to your contributions on the Minions of the Church VfD page, but that was merely to assist others in making their own judgement. Obviously I'll accept your explanation, when you get around to making it, that the coincidence of timing and subject matter with Mr. Church is the sort of happenchance explained by Littlewood's Law. --Tagishsimon

The sock puppet accusation's false: I'm actually not User:259. Mike Church 01:47, 15 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Whatever, mike, whatever. Consider yourself refactored, you sad person. --Tagishsimon


Yes, the second definition was redundant, it was meant to explain the picture before I added the caption at the bottom of it. The two definitions as they stood would indeed imply two difference lengths unless the CG was on the very bottom of the car and on the very side. Thanks for pointing it out.


I want to thank you for your work in rooting out the Mike Church sock puppets. I've opened this account dedicated toward that task. (I know it's hypocritical, but this way the fucker can't vandalise me.)

I went drinking with him once, and he had no idea that I was a contributor here. When he brought up the topic, I got him to admit how many sock puppets he has. What do you think the number is?

Nine hundred. The man has nine hundred accounts. He has a whole notebook full of them, what topic he can and cannot use them for.

Lots of time to find 'em all. Metric Dollar 19:10, 15 Aug 2004 (UTC)

I have blocked the Metric Dollar account because it was created for voting on Wikipedia:Requests for adminship and for making personal attacks. Guanaco 19:35, 15 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Caution is good[edit]

Tagish, I didn't really want to escalate things with the "Minions" page. Please be more careful about who you list. User:Lst27 is definitely not Church. I do happen to think that Lst27 is a reincarnation of another user (User:AlexPlank), but it's a totally different issue, and even if I'm correct Alex hasn't done anything wrong. Isomorphic 21:58, 15 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Yup. I misread a sentence ... apologies to Lst27. --Tagishsimon
User:Metric Dollar, of course, is Church. Isomorphic 21:58, 15 Aug 2004 (UTC)


--Mike 19:03, 19 Aug 2004 (UTC)

External Link[edit]

Hmm. A huge fraction of the links in this story are to free registration sites like NY Times and Washington Post. That's simply who is doing the reporting on this story. Checking the Wikipedia policy page you listed, I'm not clear if there's a distinction between a reference link embedded in an article and a further reading link at the bottom. The LA Times editorial is uniquely significant in that it is, to my knowledge, the only major newspaper which has flat-out called the Swift Vet charges false. Would it be in accord with Wiki policy to quote the LA Times editorial in the "Controversy" section and provide a reference link? And if not, what are we to do about all the other free-reg reference links; must they be removed? Wolfman 19:11, 24 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Olympics categories[edit]

Why the changes to the categories for the early olympic games? I was going to change them back but I thought I'd ask first. The categories I had created already contained the categories you have added (except I had used, eg. 1908 in sports instead of 1908), and allow for other articles, like Swimming at the 1908 Summer Olympics, France at the 1908 Summer Olympics, etc to be members of the general 1908 Summer Olympics category. -- Chuq 22:59, 26 Aug 2004 (UTC)

I might consider changing it back in that case - I think all Olympic games categories should eventually match Category:2004 Olympic Games, so even if there is only one item in the category now, there is plenty of room for expansion. -- Chuq 23:48, 26 Aug 2004 (UTC)

The Sage Group plc[edit]

Should this really be in Category:Tyne and Wear and not Category:Tyne and Wear companies or summat? 03:18, 28 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Re:Full Bomber Scale Chart[edit]

I admit that the picture is a work in progress, and I agree that it is pretty lame, but anything better is beyond my capabilities. I would be glad if it could be cleaned up by someone with better skills (and better software). As to its inclusion in the encyclopaedia, I see no harm. A scale chart can be useful. (Or at least, I think so). By the way: you can be even less timid if you feel like it; I'm a pretty mediocre contributor and I know it.

Cheers, →Iñgólemo← 03:33, 2004 Aug 30 (UTC)

Re: Darby Digger[edit]

I have uploaded a smaller picture of the digger but think it may still be too big. Robert Hasler was my grandfather.

User:Normangrove 19.50 BST 03 Sept 2004

Re: Category:A Short Biographical Dictionary of English Literature[edit]

Ah, that makes a lot more sense. Thanks! -- Beland 02:15, 6 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Standard 5[edit]

Steam locomotive - 73096 - at Virginia Water station - 280404.jpg

This loco is a standard class five designed by Robin Riddles, and a development of the LMS black five by William Stanier with a few new American ideas, and some stuff from the LNER B1s. And it's a 4-6-0 not a pacific. All the standard pacifics (Britannia class, clan class, and the Duke of Gloucester) had smoke deflectors. Standard fives also look a lot like standard fours, so be wary! Dunc_Harris| 11:14, 9 Sep 2004 (UTC)

File:Evening Star.jpeg
Evening Star -- another example of a BR standard, this one a 9F heavy freight loco
Someone started to go through the TOPS diesels but only up to class 20 or so, with another sixty odd to do, (not to mention all the MUs). Mark Shipman [3] may be willing to (he builds Microsoft Train Simulator models which he freely distributes [4] so we might be able to get the type data, etc, though I don't know where he got the drawings from. I'm most knowledgeable about LMS steam locos, diesels are a bit boring though I seem to have inadvertently acquired quite a bit of knowledge! There is also but the bloke who owns it won't GFDL his text, grrr, despite him writing the whole thing in messy html (no wiki!) and begging for money to keep the thing going. Dunc_Harris| 16:32, 9 Sep 2004 (UTC)
A black five

A Black five, they built 800 of these, from which the standard fives were developed. (note that only about five of these were named, this one's been named Eric Treacy after a photographer)


Hi again, Tagish: If you see me editing in, say, the next 3 days (let's say until Monday morning UTC), please revert my changes, send me a message, or give me a swift nudge in the ribs. I really need outside help to force me to take a break! Yours, Sewing - talk 15:21, 10 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Hi again, Tagish: Okay, I made some minor edits today...but now you can enforce my Wikibreak.... ;) By the way, I like the locomotive pix someone posted further up on your talk page. I think if and when I return, I'll try editing locomotive articles or something hopefully equally unstressful. -Sewing - talk 01:47, 11 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Hey, thank you! I'm glad someone is keeping an eye on me like I requested! Yes, at least as you say, I chose a light & fluffy topic. Okay, I'll go back to taking a break. Thanks again, though. -Sewing - talk 03:52, 11 Sep 2004 (UTC)

John Kerry flip-flops[edit]

You not liking it doesn't necessarily make it partison. Quotes are not "POV", they are quotes. The purpose of this page is to address the accusations made against him, and to providing supporting details to either prove or disprove the claim. The claims were made, and there is evidence as to whether they are true. It shouldn't clutter up his campaign page, any more than a discussion of the CBS documents should clutter up the Bush campaign page. Rbsteffes 19:29, 13 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Don't worry, I'm quite aware of how defensive bias works. Rbsteffes 16:16, 14 Sep 2004 (UTC)

List of albums[edit]

That do not edit notice was, I think, from when I was splitting the article up by letter. While the page as it is is useless for the reader, I don't think it should be deleted because of its use for linking. If someone, on Wikipedia or an external sites, wants to link to a list of albums on Wikipedia, they may want to link to list of albums because it provides pointers to different kinds of lists. So, I don't support deletion for it, but go ahead and propose it if you like. Tuf-Kat 18:59, Sep 14, 2004 (UTC)


That makes perfect sense. The only Berwick I was aware of was in Sussex, but it makes far more sense for one to be in the Northumberland area and near Scotland. I thought about just assuming that Berwick would be self-explanatory, but it obviously is not and I thank you very, very much for your help.

Rlquall 21:27, 14 Sep 2004 (UTC)

John Jay Hooker[edit]

In a very odd way, I quite admire JJH and hope that it somewhat shows through. I saw him as Lincoln personally once, I was driving my now-deceased mother and almost had to dodge him; she immediately recognized him. While I hope that the affection shows through and that he won't sue me, I would have a) the ultimate U.S. libel defence, that of "truth", and b) the company of at least three of my friends, including one quite close one and two other quite warm aquaintances.

Rlquall 21:46, 14 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Naming conventions[edit]

Actually the convention is to use the most commonly used name. See Talk:Tesco and Wikipedia_talk:Naming_conventions#Public_limited_companies. ed g2stalk 22:43, 14 Sep 2004 (UTC)

The talk page is not a convention in itself - but it does cite the common names convention, which is a convention. ed g2stalk 22:52, 14 Sep 2004 (UTC)
Hi Tagishsimon! Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions#Choking the process needs your attention. -- Mic 20:40, 15 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Love your photos...[edit]

I've been trying to add photos for some parts of North London... it seems I will have a long way to go before contrubuting as many as you. --Salimfadhley 21:25, 22 Sep 2004 (UTC)

robin cook[edit]

hey there thanks for the help on the article however i was trying to figure out how to get those links to go to their own pages instead of article pertaining to the words. the pages will have copyright dates a synopsis etc can you help???--Larsie 17:00, 30 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Official invitation[edit]


This is a message to let you know that there is now a UK-specific Wikipedia community page at Wikipedia:UK wikipedians' notice board. It would be great if you could come and get involved! -- Graham ☺ | Talk 22:39, 1 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Lord Copper?[edit]

Hm.. it's not the first time I've been mistaken for a copper, but the first time on Wikipeida :-; - Is there some definition somewhere that says a newspaper has to be printed on newsprint? The question of what constitutes a newspaper, may well be worth bringing up on the talk page for the article in question or even on Talk:The Economist. Mintguy (T)


Hello, I have a paper that I can send that has recently been accepted by the astrophysical journal that proves the claim is false.

The paper was just accepted to the ApJ last week so to date there is no link. However, you are correct that the reader MUST be informed the claim is false. Basically, can I edit the page so that it talks about the claims but then says "recent work has shown that the claim of interstellar glycine is false and it will shortly appear in the astrophysical journal". Then when the paper comes out, I will re-edit it accordingly pointing to the link? Tony


Hello, I added that image, and on further reflection, decided it was of relatively poor quality-- --Derinrob99 02:46, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Hello, sorry if commented on the wrong page, the image I added, and removedI decided was poor in quality, not "life like" enough, and I am uncertain about the copyright status. So, on further reflection, I thought it might be best to remove it.

Allerton High School[edit]

What I did was to take a two-line article that has just come off VfD perform and perform merge-and-redirect into Leeds.

I was one of the "keep" votes on that article, because in the VfD discussion Anthony suggested that he intends to improve it and demonstrate notability. If he does, he can improve the information in place in Leeds or turn it back into a separate article or whatever.

In the meantime, I think that if we are going to have substubby garbage about non-notable schools it is better to have them in town articles, together in a compact list, where the general problems are more obviously exposed (e.g. incompleteness of coverage).

On the whole I am in the non-notable-school-deletionist faction, but trying very hard to play fair and assume good faith on the part of inclusionists. [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith (talk)]] 15:31, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Removed data[edit]

Why have you removed my reference to the first passenger railway service in the world. I take offence at the charge of vandalism. Who do you think you are? --User:Emdec

I said that the addition on the first line of "The fist passenger service began on the Mumbles - Swansea Railway in 1907." looked like vandalism, and then took the time to explain my thinking at length to this newbie user on his/her talk page User talk:Emdec. Sigh. --Tagishsimon

First Passenger Service in the World.[edit]

Thank you for your prompt reply and please accept my apologies for not signing my post - I am still fairly new to this. However I do still take issue with your arrogance.

I charged you with vandalism when I saw the edit with "first railway, 1907". Later you changed that to 1807. The rest of my comment remains: the fact that the first passenger railway charter was given in 1807 is not imo so noteworthy as to be the second sentence in the article. If you do not like edits being reverted, and if you do not like questions of vandalism being raised when you enter bogus information like the 1907 factoid, then, well... Meanwhile, please remember to sign your posts on talk pages; thank you. --Tagishsimon

My typing error re 1907 was corrected within a few minutes. I am sorry that you do not consider the inaugaration of the first passenger service in the world as significant. I suspect that most railway enthusiasts would differ with you.

I do not mind edits being reverted at all providing there is a valid reason. I do most strongly object to being accused of vandalism over a typing error. Your attitude is hardly likely to encourage new contributors.

--Emdec 17:18, 19 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Consider me calmed down :)

Nomination for adminship[edit]

Hi! With the little experience I had with you I've seen it positive. With more than 6500 edits since March 13, 2004, I think you'd make a good admin. Would you accept my nomination? Marcus2 22:53, 17 Oct 2004 (UTC)


010010110010110101011010011001000101010100101010101001 - Xed 22:38, 19 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Xed thinks I'm a robot, which is nice. --Tagishsimon

Hi Tagishsimon,

The KP timeline is my own work over many years. I'm a local resident and activ e in Park issues

see you in the cafe sometime?


UK railway stations - J[edit]

OK, thanks for letting me know. -- J3ff 22:40, 20 Oct 2004 (UTC)

south london meet[edit]

yeah good idea only thing is the cafe is not wired, never mind wireless

Do you know Deckspace in Greenwich? It is a kind of radical media space with servers etc.

I'm gonna be putting a wikimedia project of my own with Gordon Joly on their servers.

be useful to have your feedback on that...

It might make more sense to meet there sometime


Albert Moulton Foweraker[edit]

Boy, you guys are quick!

I am the editor of the other site. I thought it might be nice to have an article in the Wikipedia. I didn't want to link to the other site because I didn't want to be accused of advertising. All the information on the other site has been sent to me by relatives and collectors of Albert Moulton Fowerakers work, so I am reasonably sure of its authenticity.

Requested deletion[edit]

Done. I modified your achive link (above) to point to the new page name. SWAdair | Talk 07:19, 5 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Red-link recovery[edit]

Howdy and many thanks for your work on that list of mis-punctuated links. The list's pretty much completed now - I'll be generating a new version of it in due course, taking all the lessons learned from the last one into account. In the meantime, if you enjoyed working through the list (or at least found it a worthwhile distraction), you may want to have a look at the similar list of plural discrepancies which highlights red-links that might be red because they (or the article they are aiming for) are improperly pluralised. Again, thanks for your efforts - award yourself a wikimedal for janitorial services if you haven't already got one! - TB 11:25, 2004 Nov 8 (UTC)

Brazil nut[edit]

Hi Tagishsimon - three things here; first, one article or two; having two articles about the same subject it pointless, I certainly think they should be combined. Second, about the removed content; as far as I could tell, this was a verbatim copy of an 1887 article or very nearly so; a lot of it was very out-of-date (!) and some plain inaccurate (e.g. the "Portuguese" name cited is actually Spanish, nor does the tree remotely resemble a chestnut, etc, etc, etc), which is why I cut so much of it. But I'll go through it again in the next day or two and see if there's any more worth extracting and restoring (tho' it'll need a lot of work to update) (won't do it now as its long past bedtime!). Third, the layout; pic layout can always be a problem with people with different size monitors, unfortunately I can't know how it appears on monitors other than mine. Feel free to rejig the pics outside the taxobox into better positions, though of course that'll probably mean it'll look weird on my monitor . . . MPF 01:36, 11 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Hi again - fair point on the conker page, but that's the exception that proves the rule; most examples are on the same page, e.g. apple, cherry, chestnut, lychee, etc. - MPF 01:50, 11 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Hi again - I've been through the 1887 article again, and there isn't anything more that I feel I can verify to transfer across safely; the June time of harvest I'd like to have added, but I can't find any info as to whether that is the only time of harvest, or whether it is just a sample point of a much longer harvesting period which would leave citing June as partial, incomplete data which might confuse readers - MPF 01:48, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Thanks; you've found a good article there (don't know how I missed it!), better scientific data than the one I'd put a link in to. - MPF 13:43, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Cheshire Cat[edit]

Honestly, now. You and I may be intelligent people who have read and loved the books, but how many people have only seen the Disney movie and ignored the books? In fact, how many people have only seen the movie and not even realized there were books? I only wish the Tenniel version was more well-known, but we have to stick with majority. (On a side note, I like American McGee's version's pure malice.) PMC 02:36, 11 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Switch it to the right then, but I thought it looked nice. (At least in 800x600) And I'd love to find a bigger picture but I can't...I'll keep looking though. PMC 02:37, 11 Nov 2004 (UTC)
I liked it better my way, but doesn't everyone? It doesn't bother me though. Hmm...would you prefer a full-body picture of the American McGee version? I just found it, squirreled away in some obscure folder of mine. PMC 02:53, 11 Nov 2004 (UTC)
lol, I'll go with the full body. It's just nicer. And if it sucked...I'll trust your judgement. Edit: Oh, and the three images in date order works for me. PMC 03:00, 11 Nov 2004 (UTC)
There we are. Much nicer, I think. PMC 03:07, 11 Nov 2004 (UTC)
"You young people" - like you're so ancient! Definitely include the year though. And what if we could make Tenniel spin? Should we include that under alternate methods of producing energy or something? =P PMC 03:18, 11 Nov 2004 (UTC)


I have heard the term used before, and the article contained content besides the spam link. Having said that, I would not be strongly opposed to deletion of this article after a VFD vote. Academic Challenger 04:26, 11 Nov 2004 (UTC)

London Millennium Bridge dampers[edit]

Hi Tagishsimon,

I've just been doing a little more research on the London Millennium Bridge. Although I like your image of the dampers under the bridge, are you sure they are the ones retrofitted to cure the lateral vibration. I only ask, because they look like they would control vertial vibrations, and I came across this paper by the company that made the shock absorbers. Page 7 and Page 8 detail the dampers that were fitted, which all look different from the one in your photo.

(Trouble is, if it isn't the right shock absorber, I don't really want to change anything - or at least not until someone manages to get a photo of one of the other dampers - because it is a good addition to the story. On the other hand I guess accuracy is important.) -- Solipsist 07:32, 11 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Good find; I've amended the picture caption, just in case, and put a link to the paper on the external links and the discussion page. However the text of our article talks about "52 tuned mass dampers (inertial) to control vertical movement", and I suspect my image is one one (or more) of these. Given that accuracy is the most important thing, withdrawing the word "retrospective" probably sorts out the problem, but please hack away at the bridge page as you see fit. best wishes --Tagishsimon (talk)
Actually that's a good point. Page 7 of the Taylor paper lists the number of each type of damper fitted, which accounts for the 37 fluid-viscous dampers. The picture could then be one of the 52 tuned mass dampers, but I would have thought the primary vertical modes would have been damped from the outset.
In fact, a little more research finds this article with excellent before and after photos of your damper. That's pretty clear, so sorry for the false alarm. -- Solipsist 22:36, 11 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Darby Digger[edit]

I have just amended the page and added a further two photos - hope this meets with approval




First off, I have nothing against "Tolkienism". I myself am a Tolkien fan and I hold the author in very high esteem. He was a brilliant man. Undoubtedly a genius. But I also believe in giving credit where credit is due, and only where it is due.

Tolkien took hobbits (or little people, or elves, or leprechauns, or whatever you wish to call them) and breathed new life into them. He gave depth and dimension to a race previously only used as a plot device. He did the same for Orcs, for Ents, for Elves, and others. For that he deserves credit, nay, applause. But what he does not deserve credit for is the invention of the word "hobbit".

As far as Tolkien's hobbits being the best known: they are the most popularly known at this moment. I have no problem with an encyclopedia describing fads, as this is important from a sociological perspective. And that's all this is. "Tolkien-mania" fizzled out in the sixties and didn't resurface until Peter Jackson's films. What do you plan to do a year from now when this craze, like the more or less equally popular Jurassic Park craze of the early 90's, also subsides? Perhaps you're a diehard fan who doesn't think it ever will subside. I thought the same about Jurassic Park at one point. I'm sure there's many women out there who in their pre-teen years never thought "Titanic" would go away.

Constructing pages using an NPOV in the here and now saves us a lot more work a year from now. If you want to create more work for people down the road, go ahead an structure the pages based on the flavor of the month.

Now, that said: I apologize if I was not clear in my intent with the use of the phrase "Tolkien zealots". I myself am a Tolkien fan. I was not using the phrase as a derogatory term for Tolkien fans, as I would be insulting myself. I was talking about the people Tolkien would probably be including in his "deplorable cultus" if he were alive today -- the sorts that would credit him with the invention of the wheel if they could make it sound plausible. In other words, I was actually speaking of zealots. And with the utmost respect I'd say that I think you were being rather reactionary in your summation of my own viewpoint, although I admit I should have been more careful of my wording. --Corvun 16:40, 12 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Darby Digger[edit]


Thanks for your help. I have put some copyright to the images hope I have done it sensibly.

How does the information submitted get to be published at ?


London meetup Dec 3rd[edit]

Hiya Do you live in London? If so then you might be interested in this this Wikipedia:Meetup/London Cheers Theresa Knott (Tart, knees hot) 11:16, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Anon's suspicious edits[edit]

Hello. An anon recently vandalized Hadal's user page, claiming to be a returning repeat vandal. I decided to check that IP's history and saw that on 28 AUG 04 he changed Dartford railway station to read "North-West Kent" rather than "south-east London." Since you've edited related pages I'm hoping you might be able to verify that edit. Thank you. SWAdair | Talk 05:50, 18 Nov 2004 (UTC)

  • Thank you. I am unfamiliar with that area and would have had to check multiple maps to be sure. Thank you for taking the time to look into it. SWAdair | Talk 07:54, 18 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Morpeth rail crash[edit]

I agree that there would probably have been some speed warning signs approaching the Morpeth curve, but these are not as visible as a signal.

I agree that details re Morpeth accidents are for now vague, however the isolated sharp curve underpins all these accidents.

I should have made this article a stub ....

As we talk, the Queensland super duper tilt train has just derailed on an isolated sharp curve of 60km/h in a fast 160km/h section, so the Morpeth problem is rather fresh in the mind.

Syd1435 09:22, 2004 Nov 18 (UTC)

Just at this point of time I cannot put my finger on any sources for the crash(es) at Morpeth.

I just remembered that there is now a permanent AWS magnet approaching the sharp curve.

The TPWS might give a better warning than AWS, but then again it might not, since TPWS is a botched job, not a full ATP.

Syd1435 11:47, 2004 Nov 18 (UTC)

Firstly, I think that I am doing well to crosslink topics together. This is best done on the spot when you notice something. Morpeth has been now crosslinked a few times.

Secondly, maybe Morpeth has a plaque or memorial to the victims of the varios crashes (like Clapham Junction) - maybe you could get out of your train and have a look!!!!! :-)

Syd1435 11:53, 2004 Nov 18 (UTC)

Waifs and Strays: Marc Almond influenced?[edit]

Heya Tagishsimon...looking at your photos...and the heading intrigued me. Wouldn't be Marc Almond reference would it?

Pathetic, eh?[edit]

I'm not the one who blew a gasket about an error. You're the one who felt it necessary to insult me because I wasn't paying attention. I fully admit that it was a stupid mistake. But did that require all the ridicule and histronics? I have a hard time believing so. --Wolf530 01:46, Nov 23, 2004 (UTC)

This is incredible! You insult me on my talk page, leave an overly sarcastic remark on the edit to ensure that everyone would realize how silly of a mistake I made. THEN you make some half-baked remark about how I "can dish it out but can't take it" -- which doesn't make much sense anyway, since you started the whole business, and now you're telling /me/ I'm over sensitive? The least you could do is apologize for being such an ass about it! --Wolf530 01:50, Nov 23, 2004 (UTC)
Two wrongs don't make a right, surely. But can you blame me? All that snark and sarcasm? And you still won't even bother to apologize! I'm quite surprised we don't have a Wiki entry on the size of your ego. Quite insane really. We want people to contribute and be a part of the community, but make an error and we crucify them. Thank you, again, for doing your part to clean up the Wiki. Wonderfully responsible, and so delicately polite. --Wolf530 01:59, Nov 23, 2004 (UTC)
Rice writing is real, so you're putting your foot in your mouth on this one. I have no idea if "Riciometreapoline" is what you call a person who can do it, but it is done. They sell these kinds of trinkets on the sidewalk in big cities. Perhaps you should do your own research. Two minutes on Yahoo and I found this, this, this, this, and this. I'm sure if you try a little harder, you can find other sites. Again, this is an issue of you treating other people like dirt. If you would use a little more restraint in how you speak to people here, it would benefit everyone. --Wolf530 02:19, Nov 23, 2004 (UTC)
sigh* Whatever. You win. If you can't even admit that the way you treat people is downright obnoxious, then there's no point in even discussing this any further. Have fun chipping away at whatever community Wikipedia has left. I'm sure they'll thank you for it in the end. --Wolf530 02:28, Nov 23, 2004 (UTC)
I saw it. But you still miss the point. Why are you so intent on leaving nasty little remarks everywhere you see a problem? --Wolf530 02:30, Nov 23, 2004 (UTC)
Okay. Whatever. Done with all this. --Wolf530 03:25, Nov 23, 2004 (UTC)

Don't take a pop at me[edit]

I fixed the stupid bloody article so that it was NPOV and then some other prick keeps coming back and rewriting the thing like a puff piece for the organisation. NPOV notices are completely pointless - why not just right "This article is crap". Better to remove the offending material, and then if someone doesn't conform to our norms about NPOV, send em to the relevant branch of wiki-stasi to hang 'em high. I removed that notice after there had been one entry indicating a problem in about seven months. Pcb21| Pete 07:51, 25 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Join RWNB![edit]


I see from your contributions that you are interested in Russian topics. Perhaps you would like to join the new Russian wikipedians' notice board? It is a discussion forum for wikipedians interested in all things Russian. Also, each week we pick an unfinished stub article to improve through collaboration.

Flag of Russia.svg Russian Collaboration of the Week Flag of Russia.svg

Every week, a lacking Russian topic is picked to be the Russian Collaboration of the Week.
The current RCOTW is Vostochny.

Notice boards and Collaborations-Of-The-Week have become increasingly popular on wikipedia reciently, with Irish, British, US and many more. There is also a score board for competing collaborations! See FAC.

Isn't it about time we got articles on Russia up to standard?

Hope to see you on RWNB!

Seabhcán 12:26, 25 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for helping me to work on my English comprehension[edit]

I am respecting Jimbo's discouragement of further participation on the aforementioned thread, so this is a bit of a moot point.

To clarify, many people consider it to be just as poor form to cite Godwin's law as it is to make a ridiculous Hitler comparison. Please go back and re-read the first couple of paragraphs in the article on Godwin's law, which also points out that citing it is poor form.

Anyone who is not a complete newbie on the internet knows that Cheesedreams lost the argument by making his silly Hitler remark. In this regard, you did nothing to advance the discussion by citing Godwin's law.

And your insulting remark for me to work on my English comprehension only shows that perhaps you are getting a little too heated about this election and perhaps should take a step back. For my own part, I have taken a step back and have realized that there are better ways to spend my time.


--DV 00:18, 27 Nov 2004 (UTC)


I'm hoping you had some reason for redirecting Afddfassfsjk to Knight's Tour. I figured I'd ask you first before making it a redirect for deletion. --Ricky81682 04:03, Nov 28, 2004 (UTC)

Ok, I see that this was part of a mess of vandalism. Again, since you seem to be on top of things, should we start making these redirects for deletion? There can't be anything good coming from keeping these pages around. --Ricky81682 23:09, Nov 28, 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for "the the" help.[edit]

Thank you for fixing the actual "the the" error in the Prince of Space episode in List of MST3K episodes, and for not fixing the cited error in Attack of the the Eye Creatures. I commend these efforts — as long as they're not automated — and will continue to remove such typos whenever I find them as well. — Jeff Q 20:38, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC)

NPOV boo-boo[edit]

Hi! Thanks for catching my error. I remember NPOVing that article in question because of the gushing, breezy style it's written in. I also seem to remember thinking it was a copyvio. Anyway, I've explained my reasoning on the talk page. - Lucky 6.9 18:51, 1 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Article Licensing[edit]

Hi, I've started the Free the Rambot Articles Project which has the goals of getting users to multi-license all of their contributions that they've made to...

  1. ...all U.S. state, county, and city articles...
  2. ...all articles...

using the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike (CC-by-sa) version 1.0 and 2.0 Licenses or into the public domain if they prefer. The CC-by-sa license is a true free documentation license that is similar to the GFDL (which every contribution made to Wikipedia is licensed under), but it allows other projects, such as WikiTravel, to use our articles (See the Multi-licensing Guide for more information). Since you are among the top 1000 Wikipedians by edits, I was wondering if you would be willing to multi-license all of your contributions or at minimum those on the geographic articles. So far over 90% of people who have responded have done this.

Nutshell: Wikipedia articles can be shared with any other GFDL project but open/free projects using the incompatible Creative Commons Licenses (e.g. WikiTravel) can't use our stuff and we can't use theirs. It is important to us that other free projects can use our stuff. So we use their licenses too.

To allow us to track those users who muli-license their contributions, many users copy and paste the {{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}} template (or {{MultiLicensePD}} for public domain) into their user page, but there are other templates for other options at Template messages/User namespace. The following examples could also copied and pasted into your user page:

Option 1
I agree to [[Wikipedia:Multi-licensing|multi-license]] all my contributions, with the exception of my user pages, as described below:


Option 2
I agree to [[Wikipedia:Multi-licensing|multi-license]] all my contributions to any [[U.S. state]], county, or city article as described below:

Or if you wanted to place your work into the public domain, you could replace {{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}} with {{MultiLicensePD}}. If you only prefer using the GFDL, I would like to know that too. Please let me know at my talk page what you think. It's important to know, even if you choose to do anything so I don't keep asking. -- Ram-Man 16:24, Dec 2, 2004 (UTC)